The midnight attack – from daylight cheers to shab-khoon

Posted on October 19, 2007
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Raza Rumi

140 dead and 538 injured – this little byline cuts through hearts and our future!
Yesterday was the day of images – moving pictures of excitement, energy, applause and then the saddest of recent tragedies. Innocent men and women charged with emotion and enthusiasm were blown away by suicide bombers, remote devices and alien belief systems. Or was it the case of wilful machinations and deceit. Only time will tell.

She had arrived much like the Greek characters – tearful, maligned, triumphant and a little pawn in the hands of gods. Amid the voices of criticism and hypocrisy that fail to note the complexity of our times, she emerged as a people’s woman – once again. Here were the loyalists dancing, singing and clapping – their queen, exiled and beaten had re-emerged.

They couldn’t care about the cost or the process. That was for the armchair classes of Pakistan to ponder about. The pull of Bhutto-name for the have-nots was once again re-established. So began a journey on the blood-lined roads of Karachi that have cracked with violence, blood and lawlessness. Yet they moved ahead oblivious of the fault lines that run from the drab, destroyed villages of Afghanistan to Karachi passing through a web of seminaries, officialdom and Lal Masjids of this world.

And so halfway, this peaceful journey – a testament of what the real Pakistan is all about – halted. And, something had erupted: imperial projects, state diktats and the crumbling centre. There was flesh, blood, fire and tears. And the wretched TV screens have documented all of this.

Devastating is one word that replaced amazing by the time we crossed the midnight in Pakistan! To quote Rumi here

A splinter is often
difficult to get out.
How much more difficult a thorn
in the heart! If everyone could find that thorn
in themselves, things would be
much more peaceful here!

There is a head now flashed on the screens – they can’t tell if it was a Jiyala or the suicide bomber. The TV channels are flashing bodies again and again – as before, discretion was thrown to winds and we have the singular honour of being a country where human limbs and guts of the dead are not just flashed but imposed on the senses until you are numb, exhausted and terrified. And, glorifying terror is the last thing we need.

Urooj Zia, a newspaper reporter was there:

“The bomb blasts happened while we were there. I was stunned, to say the least. There were people, bits of people, blood EVERYWHERE. An AryOne World cameraman lay there dying in front of us. We moved him to a police mobile, but he died in the hospital. I knew he would. I got his blood all over me — my hands, arms, clothes, shoes. Then there were charred bodies of policemen — smoke rising from them. Slippery blood everywhere….I went back to work after that, filed my story. Got home around 04:00 a.m., couldn’t sleep for two hours coz I couldn’t get the images out of my head. Puked a couple of times too.”

This tragedy is not just about who is responsible for this carnage. When humanity is in danger, we have to rise above our biases and loyalties and condemn what is WRONG. This is an issue that we all have to now live and deal with.

Our religion does not allow targeting women even in wartime and suicides are FORBIDDEN. Period. There is now a consensus at Al-Azhar and various other places of Islamic scholarship. If this is about Waziristan or the Lal Masjid then it should be fought elsewhere and not against the unarmed, dispossessed political workers.

All Pakistanis have to unite in condemning this barbarity. And all variants of Pakistaniat ought to be involved in this process – bickering at this stage will only make us question as to what message are we sending to the world, that we to quote Qandeel Shaam are “multiple little groups all bopping their heads against one another”?

Violence, militancy and suicide attacks are and will remain unacceptable. Legitimate politics must not give way to war-lord-ism! I end with Faiz:

abhii chiragh-e-sar-e-rah ko kuchh Khabar hii nahin
abhii garaani-e-shab mein kami nahin aaii
najaat-e-deeda-o-dil kii ghadi nahin aii
chale chalo key wo manzil abhii nahin aaii

74 Comments on “The midnight attack – from daylight cheers to shab-khoon”

  1. Hamza says:
    October 19th, 2007 6:45 pm

    Excellent post Mr Rumi.

  2. Anwar says:
    October 19th, 2007 7:14 pm

    Unfortunate! But she will be OK. It is the poor looking for a savior who are going to be swept in the dance macabre… If she was tried in a civil court honestly (and for that matter many other leaders) there would not have been this hysteric following.
    This carnage only points to the fact that we are porous people with humanity leaking out in red…
    Pity the nation.
    Thanks for the thoughtful post.

  3. October 19th, 2007 7:23 pm

    Excellent Post.
    On 18th October when I walked into my office, at the reception on a wall mounted tv, sky news was playing breaking news of Benazir Bhutto’s arrival. At lunch my European colleagues talked to me about Bhutto’s arrival, they were impressed by the festivities in Karachi, I was animated too I told them how people go in big rallies in Pakistan, how political leadership in Pakistan give long and aggressive speaches to a huge crowd. We compared the democratic norms in America, Europe and South Asia. I told them how people come traveling 500 kilometers to take part in these rallies. I told them how Pakistan is a vibrant society where people love democracy. I told them unlike Middle Eastern monarchies muslims in South Asia are pragmatic , liberal and democratic. I even told them how Pakistan came into being by pure democratic means where people voted to be part of India or Pakistan. Ahh… How much I boasted about everything good about Pakistan.
    And then…….. this morning I did not walk in from reception , I avoided the lunch with my colleagues. Couple of colleagues condoled about the bomb blast.

  4. Harris Siddiqi says:
    October 19th, 2007 7:34 pm

    PPP has always been able to bring the poor people on the streets . The innocent voters of the party are still enchanted by the slogan of “roti kapra aur makan” unable to comprehend that they will die of starvation and only their burial will take care of the kapra aur makan issue.

    Our system makes it impossible to create genuine leaders who can lead the nation through tough times. Most Pakistanis have lost confidence in the political system and it shows in the voter turnout which is amongst the lowest in the world even after counting the angels who always vote in our elections.

    We must have an alternate leadership with fresh ideas and fresh faces. With the current system all we will only get Bhuttos and Lotas when the situation of the day calls for a Jinnah.

  5. Saady says:
    October 19th, 2007 7:45 pm

    Probably the best post I have seen about the day !

    Many talk, a lot more write. Some just happen to have their heart drenched and you can feel the the words dripping with sorrow, yet there is promise.

    I thank you for this !

  6. October 19th, 2007 7:54 pm

    I can just help smiling when people talk about “alternate leadership”, “corrupt leadership “, “genuine leadership”. All these words are favorite terms of dictators.
    Leadership by definition means leading the people and it comes when people start trusting a person or group of persons. A leader is the one whom people trust and will follow him or her. I might be the most honest person in the world, may possess the best qualities but if people don’t trust me then I am not a leader.
    Dictators know that people don’t trust them, by coining the terms like corrupt leadership, they actually try to erode the trust of people from their actual leaders. Their logic is “if you don’t trust me , don’t trust anyone else too”.
    A dictator is always afraid of leader, his first and foremost effort is to keep the leaders away from people. He wants to malign the leadership by mud sliging , he tries to terrorise people to stop them to follow their leaders.
    And last but not the least , voters are not “innocent”, they are rational human beings they know where their interst lies , they choose thier leadership with full conciusness , that’s why Jinnah once said “The people’s opinion can never be wrong”.
    Jinnah, Gandhi, Bhutto, Benazir, Nawaz Sharif have only one thing in common i.e. people’s trust. As a human being they may be honest, intelligent, corrupt, dumb and anything a human being could be. But leadership has no adjectives.

  7. Roshan says:
    October 19th, 2007 7:57 pm

    Very thoughtful post at a time when people are in despair and despondency. It is undoubtedly need of hour to think collectively and work for peace otherwise this split will be irreversible and violence will be uncontrollable.

  8. pa(kiss)tani says:
    October 19th, 2007 8:02 pm

    more than hundred ppl lost their lives, right.

    i bet bombs werent aimed at Benazir, bombers wanted to teach common ppl a lesson that if you keep supporting politician like Benazir than we are here to make your life hell.

    Isn’t it some kind of vigilante group who have lost all their hopes to get justice from anywhere and now have taken matters in their hands.

    All of us claim that we are patriot, can we see our country going into the hands of those who LOOTED the wealth of this poor nation mercilessly???

    or is it soemthing else,

    As everything is permissible in war, its not a war against any party but its a war to save the country from falling into the hands of traitors.

    I suspect that this carnage was planned by some Patriotic men with in the agencies who some how made a truce with Benazir due to the international pressure especially from the US but didnt endorse it willingly and came up with this ghastly plan to sabotage her arrival just to send a clear message to her patrons that she can’t get easily what she is here for.

    Is someone playing DOUBLE GAME again???

  9. Harris Siddiqui says:
    October 19th, 2007 9:33 pm

    @Pejamistri,

    You have a very simplistic definition of a leader. A leader of robbers also have the trust of his fellow robbers but is he capable of leading a nation?

    The voter turnout in Pakistan is always in the 20-25% range so by your own definition there are only 25% of voting age Pakistanis who “trust” BB, Nawaz, Mullahs etc.etc. leaving a silent majority who don’t trust the system and the product of this political system. Remember, an omelet made of rotten eggs will always be rotten.

    As far as the “innocent” voters of Pakistan are concerned, I was easy on them by calling them innocent and not ignorant. The truth is that they are closer to the later adjective. Pick any 100 people from a PPP procession at random and ask them about the manifesto of the party and then see how many actually know what they are voting for. Repeat the process with PML and MMA processions and results will be very same.

    Look at the structure of political parties in Pakistan and tell me if that is the way of democracy. We are ruled by people belonging to the lucky sperm club, not real leaders.

    If you don’t agree with me, just go back to 1988 when we had a 37 year old “leader” whose processions and rallies showed the “trust” of the people of Pakistan. No one back then stopped to think if this lady had done anything in her life to earn that trust and to claim that leadership. We thought that trust was a hereditary trait that can be passed on from generation to generation? It is that thinking my friend that will leave us in this abyss of political anarchy until we seek out an alternate leadership with an alternate political system .

  10. SH Kavi says:
    October 19th, 2007 10:39 pm

    To Mr. Siddique.
    Are you saying that the ” innocent” voters of Pakistan incapable of electing “Good Leaders”, therefore educated elites should decide the fate of the nation by selecting the leaders,?

  11. Eidee Man says:
    October 19th, 2007 11:18 pm

    Very good post by Raza as usual. The poem you posted in the end was great as well. About the broadcasting of the innocent people being murdered, etc, I agree that it should not be broadcasted. Most people think that it shouldn’t because it makes them uncomfortable; my answer to that they are right but we SHOULD be uncomfortable, it should make us disgusted enough to try to do something to about it. However, those people who suffer should not be identified since it would make the ensuing hell for their family that much worse.

  12. temporal says:
    October 19th, 2007 11:21 pm

    good post raza

    BB sounded naive in her press briefing at bilawal house today when she reasserted again that suicide bombers never target women

    wonder if she lives in la-la land!

    the suicide bombers are depraved, delusional beings and recognise neither gender nor religion…does she not know this?

    i thought i would never ever think this thought let alone put to words…i’d rather BB and others duplicitious leaders of her
    ilk be ‘removed’ by these bombers if it means sparing the lives of the innocent bystanders

    enough is enough!

  13. Israr says:
    October 19th, 2007 11:23 pm

    Thank for putting this senseless loss of life into some words,It is what it is. Does it matter who and why. It is a reality that there are among us “those who will kill people in the mosques, people on the streets, people at the bus stops, people every where” Allah have mercy on us .Left right or center,democracy or dictatorship I think first we have to become Human for this is not .
    Allah khair karay or reham bhee

  14. Harris Siddiqui says:
    October 19th, 2007 11:31 pm

    Kavi,
    My own views about democracy are a bit different. To me, democracy without literacy leads to anarchy. Look at the current structure of Pakistani politics and you will understand what I am trying to say. 80% of the elections in Pakistan are nothing more than family lottery which decides which family gets the NA seat, which family gets the PA seat and who gets to have the Nazim. Real elections only take place in maybe 10 to 12 cities and bulk of the voters who cast their votes don’t even know what they are voting for.

    Majority of the constituencies have seen the same surnames as their “elected” representatives since the first election. If these surnames could not do anything positive for their people in 60 years what makes you think that they can do it now just because people are voting for them?

    I think democracy in Pakistan is nothing more than people electing their dictators. I don’t get too emotionally charged with phrases like “voice of the people” and “will of the people” when people don’t understand their own voices. I wonder how many people who came to welcome BB yesterday actually know how big an amount $1.5 Billion really is.

    The only voices of the people I hear are coming from the silent majority of almost 75% who don’t even take part in this drama. They may be silent but their silence is speaking volumes.

  15. Rizi says:
    October 20th, 2007 12:16 am

    Who was behind the bombing of Benazir’s procession?

    The culprits are too obvious to hide. The operation was too sophisticated for the alleged groups to carryout. The motives of the real culprits also expose who is actually behind the ruthless massacre in Karachi.

    See:
    http://www.dictatorshipwatch.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=1935&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0

  16. Neena says:
    October 20th, 2007 1:02 am

    A great read on Benazir’s Homecoming.

  17. Raza Rumi says:
    October 20th, 2007 1:55 am

    Dear friends -

    Many thanks for the discussion – let me say that this post was not about BB – not at all. She displays the typical problems associated with the political/ruling class in Pakistan.

    Whether she has a right to rule or not will be decided by the people when there is a free election. And, the courts are taking care of the corruption charges (or dropping them). Please note that I have not stated even once that she is a saviour or the best leader we have; or in the words of temporal above that she does not live in la-la land. She probably does live there and as far as I am concerned the best process for her to be rejected and weeded out of the political system and elections overtime – not by the pre-meditated judgements of the educated elites!

    Coming back to the main theme of the post: this is a tragedy when a peaceful rally is attacked – we don’t know the culprits and BB’s press conference has not helped it either.

    I am mourning for the dead bodies that have gone to various cities, for a man from Nawabshah who can’t find his brother and for the mothers of Lyari who lost their sons – what was their fault?

    Of course, some readers will say that their fault is that they should stop supporting the PPP – but most of these people are have-nots and not educated and prosperous professionals (like the ATP readers) so they have to have a hope in the unfortunate country where they live in. And, let me say that their version of “hope” appears to be less dangerous than the hope lessons given with training in violence!

  18. Vidrohi says:
    October 20th, 2007 2:23 am

    It’s high time to act against extremism.

  19. Shehzad Ahmed Mir says:
    October 20th, 2007 3:05 am

    Can all the political hoopla and media three ring circus as displayed over enthusiastically by the likes of Geo TV and ARY One, compensate the mourning families of those who died and/ or have lost their limbs in this terrible incident?

    Benazir has so far offered only her condolences! Each attendee at the PPP procession was promised Rs.500 but eventually the price they had to pay was much higher! Has BB offered any compensation to the deceased or the injured who were their? They spend Rs. 12 crores on useless hoardings and political jingles in a heartbeat and yet for those who are dead they only have empty words! BB and her cohorts are milking this incident to gain political mileage as the ”I-am-going-to-be-the-next-PM” look on her face during her post-blast press conference said it all!

    Before we get too swayed with the so-called ”Democarcy Naach Gana” we must stop this useless carnage and building of political hopes by the likes of BB and her party on the dead bodies of innocent Pakistanis.

    BB claimed that their were 3 million people (???!!!!) their to welcome her on her arrival which is the reason they were traveling slowly (9km in 12 hrs) Yet right after the blast, it just took her 15 minutes to cover 25kms to Bilawal House???? Where did the thronging masses who were impeding their traveling go???? Did they magically disappear?????

    I for one am going to most certainly vote again in the upcoming election with my entire family, I will not however vote for the looters and plunderers of my past who now are being projected as angels or saviors!

  20. Off Shara-e-Faisal says:
    October 20th, 2007 3:15 am

    Quoting someone else:

    Jaltay parcham se aati awaazein hain
    Matti tar hai per nazroN meiN paani nahiN
    BaRh rahay hain iss sher-e-khamoshaN ke
    Rehnay walay aur zinda ghar khaali sabhi
    In hawaoN se baRh ke
    In chatanoN pe chaRh ke
    Kaali kaali in bad-rang ghataoN se
    LaRtay rehna hai jab tak hai haathoN mein dum
    Aur hai ye wa’da na kam ho gi himmat kabhi

    raigistanoN mein gulshan javaN ker de
    aur dikha de haqiqat kahani nahiN
    aur in lafzoN mein rang waoh ravaaN ker de
    jo bataeiN amal aur bayani nahiN
    in hawaoN mein ja ke
    Kaali raatoN mein aa ke
    Iss zameeN ke in jhootay khodaaoN se
    LaRtay rehna hai jab tak hai haathoN mein dam
    Aur hai ye wa’da na kam ho gi himmat kabhi

  21. October 20th, 2007 3:57 am

    It is interesting that Mr. Harris Siddiqi epitomise the whole thinking of ruling elite by which I mean Pakistan Army. I believe the final argument of dictator is always the turn out of people in elections , that is where they bring the silent majority. So 25% people came out to vote in election, 75% stayed at home hence the majority does not trust their leaders. And a dictator will call those 75% as silent majority and this silent majority is always with the Dictator. Silent majority is not with the leaders because they don’t come out and vote for them and this majority is with the dictator as they don’t come out and protest against him.
    The myth of 25% people coming out and voting is just the similar myth as the whole military junta and its cronies kept claiming for 8 years that people don’t come on street. Once they were on street the had to kill 138 people , wound 500+ people to make sure that they don’t come on street again.

    It is absolutely heartening to see the scenes of 18th October morning, this gives me hope about this nation. I am saddened because of the events of that dreadful night, I am saddened also by the events of Waziristan , Lal Masjid, Balochistan but then the mornings of 18th October brings hope back. That’s why I told my colleagues at that morning that Pakistan is not Iraq where dictator will keep ruling for 24 years , is not a Arab monarchy where monarchs are ruling for 70 years. It’s a society who produced the poet who said, “Ab raaj karay gee khalq-i-khuda, Joo mein bhee hoon aur tum bhee hoo”

  22. And Quiet Flows the Don... says:
    October 20th, 2007 4:35 am

    The fact that Benazir chose to desecrate Shaharah-e-Faisal with her evil existence was in itself a bad enough omen to invite the attack in which Benazir “miraculously” escaped….

  23. Ammar Ali Qureshi says:
    October 20th, 2007 4:53 am

    Well done Raza. Good post. you have rightly highlighted that extremism is the most pernicious problem of the country today. In the 90s it was corruption but in today’s Pakistan- extremism occupies number 1 position having displaced corruption- at least for the moment.

    We just need to look at our history to see what happens to a country when a country keeps it politicians out of the political process for a while. In the 1960s, Ayub Khan banned H.S.Suhrawardy ( probably the most popular if not the greatest Pakistani leader after Jinnah and Liaquat) from politics and kept Awami League out of the political process- even after Suhrawardy’s death. All this led to the rise of Bengali nationalism and subsequently the separation of East Pakistan.

    By keeping Bhuttos and Sharifs out of politics and political process, Musharraf has strengthened the hands of religious extremism. The vacum which has been created by the ouster of mainstream political parties ( PPP and PML-N) from the political space has been filled up by religious parties and this phenomenon abets, not controls, extremism.

    In the 60s and 70s, it was Bengali nationalism which resulted in the break-up of the country. Today it is religious extremism which endangers the existence and survival of Pakistan. In the early 70s, Pakistanis were killing Pakistanis in East Pakistan and this resulted in break-up of the country when India exploited the situation. Today, Talibanized Pakistanis are killing Pakistanis and if this trend is not stopped, we will be handing over another cakewalk victory to India.

  24. Zia Hashmi says:
    October 20th, 2007 5:50 am

    Indeed the 18 OCt tragedy marked the first blow to the sart of political process in the run up to Election 07. The event raises many questions. I havnt found one convincing explaination in the media so far as to whether the target was Benazir or her populism that was to upset political interests of anti-Bhuto forces. It seems bobmbers carried out their assignment to achieve multiple goals. While they were angry with US-sponsored new political allignemnts, they also wanted to make a point that they dont loose the turf they have acquired in recent years due to political vacum and through their militant methods.

    Raza’s post sheds lights on important dimensions of the gord drama enacted on 18 OCt. I agree that no matter what the march towards full democracy must not be halted. The tragedy should serve us an opportunity to get united and participate in open political expression. The coming election must be held in an incluisve and credible manner. Any attemtp to usurp political process will only open up more chances of gory scenes bening repeated as were witnessed on Oct 18.

  25. Harris Siddiqui says:
    October 20th, 2007 6:37 am

    @Peja,
    Since Raza has already pointed out that the thread is going on a tangent, I will abstain from further argument on this issue. I will however make one point that if you think that Pakistan has true democracy then you either don’t understand democracy or the Pakistani politics.

  26. RJ says:
    October 20th, 2007 7:51 am

    Pakistan security forces did not learn a thing from the May 12 tragedy.
    This was avoidable if the organisers of the rally (PPP) and the security forces (Police, Rangers, ISI) have worked together to protect the citizens. Lack of planning, lack of cooperation and lack of trust between the parties resulted in this carnage.
    The “investigation” by an “independent” commission is not going to reveal anything. The report will gather dust and the Karachi citizens will face the same tragedy when the next politician decides to show “support among masses” by calling for huge unmanageable rallies.

  27. Ahsan says:
    October 20th, 2007 9:11 am

    Dear Raza Rumi,

    You are right when you say::

    “let me say that this post was not about BB – not at all.”

    You have never mentioned the name of the character. You have been talking of a Greek charater, her coming home and the events that took place since her arrival. The only mention of Benazir is in AFP picture that accompanies your post. Certainly we can not consider you to be responsible for this picture. So, I will agree that you have not mentioned explicitely BB in your post.

    The problem is that, when you write

    “She had arrived much like the Greek characters …” and “…she emerged as a people

  28. October 20th, 2007 9:16 am

    this is quite unfortunate. the blood of the people is on the hands of all the politians, all the politicnas.
    People are simply people and dont deserve all this.
    let us reclaim our solidarity. Let us become people again.
    let us contribute peace and love to the society.
    Please let me be one individual to do all this

  29. October 20th, 2007 9:51 am

    Raza Bhai,

    Superb post as usual. You have hit the nail on the head as it were. Raza bhai I agree with you that the PPP is a party of the poor, it sings their songs and those who question and mock the party workers are oblivious to this simple ground reality.

    I personally don’t support Bibi as can be seen in my most recent post at http://www.otherpakistan.org.html YET I MAKE A DISTINCTION BETWEEN HER AND THOSE SHAHEED WHO ARE NO LONGER WITH US.

    That distinction has been lacking during the ATP comments of Friday and it was good that you fought for such distinctions to be made between a sinner (as Bibi is in general) and the sinned against whom I and others have called the shaheed.

    Feimanallah

    Wasim

  30. October 20th, 2007 9:56 am

    Raza Bhai,

    I cant remember if I left details of my Bibi post for you and others to read. It was written before her arrival and is worth a read since my anti Bibi vitroil can be compared and contrasted with my condemnation of the events of Karachi.

    As I said earlier, distinctions must be made, ATP readers please do see my most recent post and make Other Pakistan a favorite with you at http://www.otherpakistan.org/archive.html

    Feimanallah

    Wasim

  31. Raza Rumi says:
    October 20th, 2007 10:11 am

    RJ: you are right – there was mismanagement for sure.

    PejaM, Vidrohi, Ammar and Zia
    thanks for the thoughtful comments and adding to discussion here. Your comments have identified the crux of the issue. In fact I did not even think of some of the points. I stand educated.

    Extremism and violence – against anyone – are not acceptable and the foremost issue!

    Off Shahrahe Faisal: that was a great poem – who is the poet?

    Harris: Please continue – I did not say that we should not discuss or deliberate on these crucial issues about our future. All I sais was that we should not focus too much on personalities and not let our individual likes and dislikes overshadow larger debates and dilemmas.
    Democracy is a messy business and requires decades,even centuries to flourish and take root. We have to be patient yet consistent.

  32. October 20th, 2007 10:42 am

    @Raza,
    Thank you very much for clarifying, I was rather confused when Harris mentioned that the discussion about democracy and dictatorship is off the topic for your post. I believe that this is the crux of matter of 18th October sad events.

  33. MG says:
    October 20th, 2007 10:51 am

    How ironic, her daddy is the one that sewed the seed to extremism, now, she as well as the entire country must suffer till God Knows

  34. Neena says:
    October 20th, 2007 12:12 pm

    Of course, some readers will say that their fault is that they should stop supporting the PPP

    So called uneducated Pakistanis have more sense than anyone else they know their vote matters, it is their right to be on the street that day to welcome their leader who could be anybody from PPP, PML(Nawaz), or MQM.

    It was security’s team obligation to safeguard common people’s life and Army’s duty to take care of the border. Politician

  35. badar says:
    October 20th, 2007 12:15 pm

    Good piece indeed! her homecoming would have eventful but I could not imagine that the obscurantists would use violence as their weapon to deter Bibi on the day of her arrival. Or may be the powers that be got unnerved and reacted; maybe the mafia entrenched in Punjab got cold feet and acted irrationally. There are so many “may beeeeees and ifs”. The list is endless but one thing is certain the taliban had nothing to do with this carnage. Their killing fields are up North and not in Karachi!
    MaY God save Bibi so that she may wrest some space from the Generals…..at last! Never mind her corruption. they all are. Most of all the Pak Army!!!!!!

  36. sidhas says:
    October 20th, 2007 12:32 pm

    Islamic Principle on value of life

    We ordained for the children of Israel that if anyone slew a person, unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land, it would be as if he slew the whole of mankind. And if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of a whole people. (al-Ma

  37. baber says:
    October 20th, 2007 12:57 pm

    I just found that majority of people who died were from my area, the count is in 60s. And i knew atleast two of the people. I am saddened by this.
    Most of the people who died come from low income families of liyari, some might be the bread earners. The bomber or the people behind this din’t want to kill BB thats for sure, they wanted to kill innocent people. They don’t hate democracy, they hate the people of pakistan. Like stated earlier on this blog by many, this is a war against the people of pakistan. They sent a message of fear, intolerance and hate, a message is now due back.

  38. Reluctant Expatriate says:
    October 20th, 2007 1:53 pm

    I am sitting in my comfortable house in US and wondering what I can do on a small scale to help the families of those innocent people who died in this fight of the dictator, the spouse of Mr. 10 percent, Talibans and so called followers of Islam. Ms Bhutto, Nawaz Sharif, and Generals with biillions hoarded in foreign countries are not going to help these people.

    I hope some honest person in Pakistan can start a trust for the families of the dead that can provide for their immediate needs and education of their children away from the Maddrassas which teach hatred and suicide bombings. I hope all of us donate our Starbucks coffee money for one month to this fund.

  39. Raza Rumi says:
    October 20th, 2007 3:25 pm

    Reluctant Expat: Good idea – let’s think this further and involve others..Count me in..

    Badar: thanks for the comment – your analysis is credible but the sad reality is that so many poor families will become poorer..

    Neena: how can I not agree with your eminently sensible comment
    MG: the daddy and the daughter may be the worst specimens of humanity but have some mercy: “Unfortunately, these morons died ignorant deaths to satisfy BB

  40. Viqar Minai says:
    October 20th, 2007 3:40 pm

    There seems to be a concerted effort to steer the discussion a certain way on this blog. I wonder why it is so damn important to some that we all think and act a certain way, a way of their liking and choosing?

    I can’t think of anyone who is not disgusted at the tragic loss of life, or does not sympathize with the bereaved, or defends th perpetrators? It is about time that some people stop acting as “holier than thou” .on this blog

    The insistence is that we should all restrict ourselves to condemning and denouncing the extremists and the militants. Why the extremists alone? AFAIK no one here is dying to erect a statue of OBL or Mullah Omar on Pakistan Chowk in Karachi.

    Why does no one have the guts to talk about the criminal responsibility of the awami leader and her party’s leadership who mindlessly led a rally of hundred of thousands of unsuspecting poor, in security circumstance that would, otherwise, have Dracula scurrying for cover. Did they not realize what could happen in the face of the prevailing violence in the country, and in the face of clear and explicit threats? Are they that stupid? If so, what right do they have to be the leaders and deliverers of the masses?

    Or, perhaps, they were aware of the risks that this lunatic act entailed. From Brig. Mohatarem’s press statement, they were not only made aware, they were specifically asked to plan things so as to complete the rally during the daylight hours. They refused. BB was requested to travel to the Quaid’s mazar by helicopter. Again, she and her callous chamchas refused. It is one of the first principles that in security-risk circumstances, the time frame for any activity such as a march or a political jalsa be minimized; yet here was this insane act extending well over 12 hours into the wee hours of the night. What the f**k were these idiots, and their defenders on this blog, expecting? That we should all come out and dutifully denounce whoever they tell us to denounce, and close our eyes (and minds) to everything else?

    The entire leadership of PPP deserves to be lined up against a wall, facing a firing squad.

    Shame on those of you who take us for cows and sheep. And shame on you, Adil Najam, for permitting this obscenity to be played out on your blog.

  41. meengla says:
    October 20th, 2007 6:20 pm

    Yeah, blame the victims! Well, there were no specific warning that some would definitely happen! The sense of security got to such an extent that the season journalist like AAJ TV’s Nusrat Javed started saying a few hours that the militants generally do not target political parties!
    And what difference would it make if BB were to land on 18th Oct. or 15th Nov? Would she, and like-minded ‘American Agents’ be forced to forever rush through election campaign during day hours? Do you guys think that this kind of carnage is going to stop here? Do you guys not know that several of the topmost PPP leaders themselves got hurt in that truck and it was only the effort of the police mobile and PPP Jiyalas that managed to save the truck by sacrificing their own lives.
    PPP leadership made a terrible miscalculation: Pakistan is changed now. No longer can any ‘liberal’ politician go out and reach out to the public without jeopardising theirs’ and their workers’ life. For that one can accuse BB.
    But ‘lining up’ the whole leadership and shooting them up?! Well, they came very close to being dead themselves and several of them got hurt.
    What kind of non-sense people would go to in their hatred for BB. Yes, she may be corrupt but the hatred shown to her here makes one think she is a demon.

  42. MQ says:
    October 20th, 2007 6:36 pm

    [quote] I can

  43. Rafay Kashmiri says:
    October 20th, 2007 7:40 pm

    some of the comments are really worth listening,hearing
    to be worked on .

  44. faraz says:
    October 20th, 2007 8:04 pm

    Only Nawaz can fix problems in pakistan because he has genuine public support. BB is just another puppet from USA.

    BB is now again playing on dead bodies of her workers. Tell me what she is going to. bombing tribal areas? And what will be the result. civil war. God save us from this “churail”.

  45. Ahson Hasan says:
    October 20th, 2007 9:34 pm

    To my mind, there is more to it than just a plain and simple suicide bombing/assassination attempt on Benazir Bhutto

  46. Social Mistri says:
    October 20th, 2007 10:07 pm

    I don’t even want to talk about Benazir, or Musharraf or any of the other leaders… this tragedy is a national catastrophe and its implications are just too huge to contemplate. People here are arguing whether Benazir should have flown in a helicopter or driven in a car or led the parade in a truck. The problem is not her choice of transport, but the increasing presence of suicide bomber squads, terrorists and assassins in our country. Dozens of incidents have occurred just in the last 4 months. Preventing people from collecting in large groups is impossible in our society. What will you do during Muharram? What will you do on Eid prayers? What will you do during Basant? There are bound to be large collections of people for long periods of time. Unless we decide to lock every one up in their homes…

    The interior minister has stated that suicide bombers are unstoppable pretty much by any government in the world. And his comments are quite justified, because despite its technological superiority, the US has not been able to stop suicide attacks in either Afghanistan or Iraq… or on its own soil. They’ve happened in the UK as well and all the relevant intelligence services have claimed that another attack on UK/US soil is not a question of ‘if’, but ‘when’. And these, by the way, are countries where extremist populations are absolutely infinitesimal in contrast to Afghanistan and Pakistan.

    The suicide bomber is such a powerful and seemingly unstoppable weapon when it comes to disrupting society at every level, and those who seek to use it are so Satanic in their intent, that one is completely at a loss to understand if and when this will ever end. As a society, we continue to respect the mullah, a large part of the mullah brigade then raises brainwashed children in madrassahs, a segment of these children in turn get highly radicalised, a subset thereof get trained and armed and wait their turn to blow themselves up.

    How do we stop this phenomenon at its roots without tearing our society apart? Without a solution to this problem, there can not be a bright future for us. And the reverse of the tipping point phenomenon will strike us… our progress in all areas will be curtailed just enough to keep us from ever “breaking out”, and by the time we look up and compare, we would have been left far behind. A non-entity.

    I am utterly depressed and despondent today. I am convinced that a change of government will not help this situation. A change of policy will not help this situation either. The fanatics will find some other issue; women’s rights, music and CD bans, compulsory purdah or some other depraved agenda as a ruse to continue their mass-blackmail of our society and our people. I can only pray that God destroys these depraved fanatics, and subjects them to unending torture both on earth and in hell.

  47. Neena says:
    October 20th, 2007 10:33 pm

    MQ – Good one

    Thanks to Adil we all are exchanging our views here in a civil manner. All other public blogs such as KMB are taken over by nuts.

  48. Raza Rumi says:
    October 20th, 2007 11:57 pm

    Dear Viqar: there are no defenders here, or at least I haven’t read any statement that defends the PPP leadership. They are like any other self-serving class in our country. By your account, they are responsible for this carnage and maybe this is the case. The sad reality is poor people have lost their lives and we are shocked at such death.

    Grateful to Sidhas for posting this verse from the Quran:

    “We ordained for the children of Israel that if anyone slew a person, unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land, it would be as if he slew the whole of mankind. And if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of a whole people. (al-Ma

  49. omar says:
    October 21st, 2007 12:05 am

    To blame Benazir for the incident falls in the category of “blaming the victim”. Are we now saying that if a popular leader should gather a large crowd in Pakistan and the nihilists and their manipulators bomb them, then it’s not the nihilists but the victims who are to blame? Whether Benazir was moving too slow or too fast is besides the point. She was back in her own country. Hundreds of thousands of people had come to welcome her…and this was no rent-a-crowd. Certainly, money must have been spent to bring them there, but their enthusiasm and love for the Bhutto name was obvious. People were dancing in the streets and music and songs were being played instead of bullets and bombs and its a terrible travesty to blame them or their leaders for this massacre.
    The issue of security is not one of “foolproof” cordons and other such excuses. People forget that in a functional state, the major deterrent to such actions is the fact that no violent organizations can exist, plan and attack without exciting the interest of law-enforcement; if they do attack, they are vigorously pursued and dealt with and finally, they are not being supported and manipulated by elements of the state itself. In Pakistan, such organizations were encouraged and abetted by the “forward thinking” army. For the last 6 years, they have been officially banned, but no doubt has been left about the fact that this “ban” is ambiguous and loaded with exceptions and loopholes. Doubts about the sincerity of senior members of the intelligence agencies are widespread. In this atmosphere, attacks are easily assumed to have the blessings of one or the other faction in the power structure. There is little or no trust and little chance that the whole story will ever be known.

    A good start would be to compare the situation in India. The various terrorist groups frequently articulate real grievances and have real support among some people. The intelligence agencies and security services in India are more unwieldy and decrepit than their Pakistani counterparts and are probably equally corrupt in terms of individual corruption. But there is no doubt about the state’s DESIRE to stop terrorists from various jihadi and separatist groups. That simple “unity of purpose” leads to the fact that a significant proportion of outrages is actually investigated and many perpetrators are actually caught. The system is very rickety, almost pre-industrial and highly inefficient and certainly cannot stop all outrages but it still delivers better results than the Pakistani system. In spite of years of terrorism and poor policing, politicians in India can still hold rallies and people can still gather in large numbers without “foolproof security”……Compare that to Pakistan, where the sitting government (in the form of Sheikh Rashid) is saying it probably cannot afford a true election campaign because large crowds are easy targets? (being a pessimist, I have to add that if things fall apart further in Pakistan, they will no doubt get worse in India as well, so I wouldn’t count my chickens yet if I were Indian).

    Benazir is not the issue. The destruction of state authority and legitimacy and its replacement by a shadow military state which is not under the control of even its own chief is the real issue..

  50. hana says:
    October 21st, 2007 1:12 am

    the deadly and horrible incident of 18th October must be condemned and lets be realistic why blame bhutto that she was irresponsible
    i think she was courageous when she decided to come back we cannot let the militants and agencies rule this country perpetually and its the bombers who will burn in the hell for killing innocent people

  51. Rafay Kashmiri says:
    October 21st, 2007 4:16 am

    MQ,
    my very earlier post I did accuse PPP BB and the band.

    But take off your hands, that nerve hurts us all, shows morror
    the reality, Pakistanis don’t want anymore, the show
    must go on.!!!!

  52. Abid says:
    October 21st, 2007 5:54 am

    The long and winding road to January
    May prove to be full of coffins to bury
    It seems like a high price to pay
    Just so that Mush and Pinkie have their way

    From now to January seems like pathway to hell
    When even airport ride to Jinnah’s tomb fail
    Yet no price is too high for power and profit
    Whats score of poor hari’s life blown to bit?

    In the land of pure where lives are a fetter
    And here we are going on with the same old chatter!

    Where facts are ignored for the fables
    So some can carry on their usual fib and tales

    It seems these folks have the same endgame
    Not very different from a militant’s game.

    Both are intolerant and the only arbiters of taste
    Both are responsible for Pakistan

  53. SH kavi says:
    October 21st, 2007 6:39 am

    maiN kiske naam likhuuN jo alam guzar rahe haiN
    mere shahar jal rahe haiN, mere log mar rahe haiN

    koii Ghuncha ho ki gul koii shaaKh ho shajar ho
    vo havaa-e-gulistaaN hai ki sabhii bikhar rahe haiN

    kabhii rahmateN thii naazil isii Khitta-e-zamiiN par
    vahii Khitta-e-zamiiN hai ki azaab utar rahe haiN

    vahii taaeroN ke jhurmuT jo havaa meN jhuulte the
    vo fizaa ko dekhte haiN to ab aa bhar rahe haiN

    koii aur to nahiiN hai pas-e-Khanjar-aazmaaii
    hamiiN qatl ho rahe haiN, hamiiN qatl kar rahe hain

    Ubaidullah Aleem

  54. Raza Rumi says:
    October 21st, 2007 9:00 am

    Omar: excellent points
    “Benazir is not the issue. The destruction of state authority and legitimacy and its replacement by a shadow military state which is not under the control of even its own chief is the real issue..”

    Precisely – individuals do not matter – institutions and systems do!

    Abid: your verse is brilliant – even though I am not in agreement with some of the points but this reminds me of Vikram Seth – when he started to write. ATP brings forth so many talents!

  55. Neena says:
    October 21st, 2007 10:37 am

    Reading some of the comments here make me realize how Dictators are succeeded in changing the common men

  56. Abid says:
    October 21st, 2007 1:15 pm

    Thanks Raza for the encouraging words

  57. Raza Rumi says:
    October 21st, 2007 2:41 pm

    I could only read Social Mistri’s comment now – I am in complete agreement with him [her] – that is the dangerous point part: so much violence becoming a part of our national lives..

  58. Social Mistri says:
    October 21st, 2007 9:20 pm

    Adaab arz, Raza saheb. Social Mistri is moderated at will by the zaalim administration. Therefore, my comments are first inspected by the ATP equivalent of the TSA for the innocuousness of their payload before being allowed to show up in this hallowed forum. I think a reference I made in a recent comment to an early part of Islamic history when a fatwa was used to justify an indefensible act rankled them somehow.

    Yahi to rona hay, ham abhi tak historical facts pay bhi nahien muttafiq ho sakay.

  59. Raza Rumi says:
    October 21st, 2007 10:19 pm

    samajee mistree: jeetay rahiye! Despite your protests, I support moderation – the comments here are important – as reflections of what our educated think, how civilized they are; and what image of Pakistan we are presenting on the Internet.

    But, I do agree with you ke history ka samnaa karnay ki taab naheen ham mein se aksar logon ko – ya woh history se bilkul na-balad hain..

    Salaam arz hai

  60. Viqar Minai says:
    October 22nd, 2007 6:52 am

    “Then consider the wisdom or otherwise of staging an event of this magnitude in the current security environment. The bombers had already advertised their intent and they have a track record of doing exactly what they say they will do. Why, knowing that not only the life of the target was at hazard but also the lives of those who become collateral damage did nobody stop and think for a moment? Think about the duty of care they had to the people of the nation? Think of minimizing the risk to the common man? But nobody, not in a month of Sundays, was ever going to do that, were they? Instead, in true barnstorming style, the decision was made to enter with trumpets

  61. Khawar says:
    October 22nd, 2007 9:50 am

    Its All About unrestricted CASH FLOWS & Human DISPENSABILITY:

    According to PILDAT (www.pildat.org) there are speculations that PPP spent huge sums of money estimated to range from Rs. 300 to 500 Million for the mobilization of PPP workers and sympathizers at her Karachi Airport reception.

    The other COST is in terms of Human Lives lost or the COLLATERAL DAMAGE DUE TO BB: 140 PEOPLE DEAD. PAKISTAN’S 160 MILLION PEOPLE GET READY TO BECOME BB

  62. GSR says:
    October 22nd, 2007 11:02 am

    Excellent Post! What a tragedy. but we have to note that Bb was warned well ahead in time. She could have chosen a low profile arrival. 150 innocent lives gone!

  63. Rafay Kashmiri says:
    October 23rd, 2007 12:25 pm

    This blog is blocked now,

    150 PPP militants were massacred and given to
    progressivist Balidan to Kali, what value for human
    life, will be forgotten very very soon.

  64. Abid Iftikhar says:
    October 23rd, 2007 9:24 pm

    Beanzir’s niece , Fatima Bhutto very aptly summed it up–She told Agence France -presse. ” that my aunt’s need for “personal theatre ” had resulted n the deaths of many Pakistanis”.

    I wish Benazir was a citizen of a civilised democratic country where she would have been tried for murder for endangering the lives of so many innocents when she was repeatedly told that there were chances of suicide bombers disrupting her cavalcade. Despite all the warnings she choose to do the Tamasha at the cost of innocents.

    Reminds me of an “Afsana” by Rubina Faisal of Toronto on her recent visit to Pakistan. ” Roti Khati Moortian” . all of us do eat and drink but we are still “Moortian “in the hands of these corrupt politicians who are now coming back to plunder us again in the name of democracy.

    they are not champions of demoracy– Aung San Su Ki of Burma is … She has spent the last 21 years of her life in home detenton in Rangoon, not running away to live in their palaces abroad.

    Please don’t be fooled by their theatrics– they are the same people who ran away leaving us at the mercy of Generals and are now coming back and shaking hands with the same generals — Remember this is the same army which killed her father, but she would do anything to get a chance to plunder us again….

  65. Shaheryar Ali says:
    October 26th, 2007 3:38 pm

    Ye Baazi Khoon ki Baazi he
    Ye baazi tum hi haro ge
    Hur ghar se Bhutto Nikle ga
    Tum Kitne Bhutto maaro ge!!!!
    “This is the game of Blood [o Bosses] and [certainty in "Absence"] You will loose this game!! From every house a Bhutto will emerge [eternal return] . [Proletarian mockery] How many Bhuttos will you Kill???”.

    It was the great French Philosopher Derrida , one of my icons, who gave a verdict “There is nothing out-side text”. Though English cant express what he said!
    In front of me are various articles from European leftists on the events in Pakistan. A international Marxist Website mentions the above lines and i am taken aback!

    The greatest betrayal , people of Pakistan saw was not from the hands of their Army, but rather it was from those who claimed to be “Leftists”. They betrayed the Text. For 6 months we saw the worse kind of media propaganda against Miss Bhutto and her party. i was stunned at the amount of distorsion , manipulation and blatant lack of Objectivity in analysing democracy and her position on it. Our leftist intelletuals have even forgotten the ABC of liberterian politics , they were on the forefront of this “Right wing agenda” to malign the largest political organization of Pakistan.
    The most canonized and CLEAN [today best loved word of Paki middle class]Leftists of Pakistan Mr Asfand yar Khan Walli and Mr Mahmood Khan Achakzai are sitting in with Jamat e Islami and Taliban’s creators Fazul ur Rahman. The politics of “Pakhtoon , Revolution and secularism” for more than 100 years has been presented as a gift to Mullah Omar and President Karzai. Never have i seen greatest betrayal from socialists any where else. Rome[ read Pakhtoonkhawa] was burning and Asfand was dancing or “Praying” behind Fazal ur Rahman!!!!
    why? because they have become Leftists of Urban Middle classes” . Their issues are “corruption”, “restoration of constitution” “Judiciary” , yea same Judiciary , that cant listen to a Habeas Corpus of Farooq Tariq , or Mr Akhtar Mangel , or any other pro people left wing revolutionary . A “liberated Chief Justice”, who cannt take a “Suomoto action” against genocide in Baluchistan , who would not take any Soumoto moto action against the cold blooded murder of Mr Akbar Bughti , though he comes from same province . But the great Chief Justice will go to “any extant” to “liberate” Al Qaida members, former ISI warriors of god!
    He will come to rescue of Red Mosque terrorists. He will order rebuilding of “den of terrorism” in heart of Islamabad on “ILLEGALLY OCCUPIED LAND”. and our great left wing intellectuals will dance on with him , and JI and JUP , In search of “Democracy” and “Socialism” from “CAVE OF OSAMA BIN LADIN”.
    This is “Democracy” without “People”.
    The people , in millions came to streets to welcome Miss Bhutto , now our learned democratic activist will say “ignorant masses”.
    This is defeat of APDM and a victory of Bhutto, why because Bhuttos know “ignorant masses” are the Pakistan. not 2% parasite class living in cities. She knows what are the “issues” of the people. This is bond of blood that she has with People of Pakistan, the real people. the cobblers, the landless, the hindus, the catholics, the ignorant, the being less , smelly Pakistanis that eat grass and drink poison . They know Why Bhutto was killed. They will die for lady of “100 castles in west” , because they are people. The proved that Human shield is more effective than any Jammer in the world. i saw them dying but not Leaving Benazir. These ignorant people know what Harvard educated Middle class intellectuals dont know. what is Democracy ?, what is the “People”. what are the issues and what is the “Media Matrix” that Noam Chomsky and Baudrillard talks about.
    When the bodies reached Liyari the real Pakistan in Karachi , the mothers said , if we had more sons they will die for Benazir too. the faces of “great Journalists” of GEO , etc showed confusion at these remarks. “The ignorant cult”!!
    The greatest tragedy of any nation is when “Middle class thought” becomes its dominant thought a great French Psychoanalyst and Philosopher once said. This is the tragedy of Pakistan. That great Socialist Dr Mubashir Hassan is in Supreme court of Pakistan , not for ending operation in Baluchistan, or for “restoration of human rights in Tribal areas”. Not for the release of “Baluch Revolutionaries”. Not for “seeking to repeal” Hadood Laws, the Evidence Laws, the Blasphemy laws, Not to seek help for Hindus of Sindh from hands of Arbab , not to prevent rapes of Hindu girls from his family. Not to get justice for Dr Shazia Murree who was raped by Army officers in Sui.
    Our great clean socialist leader and thinker is in Supreme Court of Pakistan to “seek end of NRO” to stop “corruption”. To get Benazir arrested. Yea thats is most important issue of Pakistan!!!! of all the world at least a Marxist and Socialist should have known corruption is soul of capitalism.
    But People slap , and they slapped hard on faces of such “socialists” and”intellectuals” and “great Media brains of Pakistan” [all right wing thugs ]. They died and payed the price for slapping the bosses. But Bosses have forgotten. Those who are murdered become “Ghosts”. Derrida talks again and again about “Ghost of Marx”.
    Pakistan , its military , its parasite middle and upper classes, their allies the elitist liberals and Mullahs should worry of “Ghost of Bhutto”.
    Time will come when Resurrection will take place , which Faiz Ahmad Faiz predicted.

    Yahen utthe ga Shor e Mehshar
    Yahen Hisab o Kitab ho ga

    That Bomb as Benazir said was not blown by Taliban or Al Qaida , it was Not blown by them Even if the Suicide bomber was a member of Taliban . It was blown by those who didnt wanted Real People of Pakistan to Rule.
    But as a student of Philosophy , i can tell what t Nietzsche calls “Eternal Return” and which Deleuze adds is “Return as New”. Ghosts retuns , in 1986 they were a Million, in 2007 they are 3 Million.
    One Bhutto haunts , 150 Bhuttos will will kill n possess.

    There is Nothing out side Text

    Ye baazi Khoon ki Baazi he
    Ye Baazi Tum hi haro ge
    Hur ghar se Bhutto Nikle ga
    Tum kitne Bhutto maaro ge??????

    “A specter is haunting Europe——-
    “150 specters are haunting Pakistan—–

  66. Rafay Kashmiri says:
    October 26th, 2007 5:08 pm

    Benazir is assisted by USA, UK, Mussharaf, and all
    the Eurpean anti-Islam forces, even then she will not be
    allowed to use terror.

  67. Rafay Kashmiri says:
    October 26th, 2007 5:14 pm

    Benazir is assisted by USA, UK, Mussharaf, and all
    the Eurpean anti-Islam forces, even then she will not be
    allowed to use terror.

    All the patriotic Pakistanis should stand against any
    possible anarchy or terrorism envisaged by PPP .

    Mussaharaf and Co will be held responsible for any
    bloodshed, what PPP and BB are up to should be closely
    monitored by international instances.

  68. Viqar Minai says:
    October 26th, 2007 6:56 pm

    If the real people are helpless to assert their reality without Bhutto, or someone else, as their leader , then the judgement of history is against them.

    Reality bites. Do the real people think?

  69. Rafay Kashmiri says:
    October 27th, 2007 5:27 am

    Benazir’s bloody epoch has been started,
    she wants this way, she will have it, electors
    and voters should abandon her immidiatley.
    She has a foriegn agenda.

    Thanks to Nawaz Shareef, no blood shed, no balidan.
    He is the best among all ninkumpoops !!!!

  70. Rafay Kashmiri says:
    November 1st, 2007 6:42 pm

    Reza Rumi,

    Now that Benazir absconded, where do the troika
    stands, criminals.com what next ??

  71. Human says:
    November 2nd, 2007 8:29 am

    BB, a blunt hypocrite she is but no one can blame her for what she did by dealing with Mush and Bush… alot of her party members did they same by joining Q-league long time ago… she is just late to join the parade of hypocrites… its the same everywhere in the country, they are all alike, sooner or later they will all line up in this parade… if they come soon they will eat more and they are not gonna go away….

    what we need in the country is a revolution.. what we need in the country to get rid these low-down-dirty-nogood-false leaders is CIVIL WAR.. let the people decide once and for all what the direction of nation should be… otherwise Pakistan soon will end up like Afghanistan or the people of Pakistan will stay like this under the shadow of Military & US Inc.

  72. Raza Rumi says:
    November 2nd, 2007 2:01 pm

    Rafay Saheb

    “Now that Benazir absconded..”
    what can I say Sir – I ain’t no guru or astrologer..
    Liked the criminals.com – LOL

  73. Rafay Kashmiri says:
    November 3rd, 2007 6:32 am

    Reza Rumi,

    @Shaheryar Ali,

    Impossible to differentiate between

    A Marsia in the honour of a Baraat
    OR

    A Sehra in the honour of a widower Doulhaa.

  74. Rafay Kashmiri says:
    November 3rd, 2007 6:40 am

    Reza Rumi,

    @Shaheryar Ali,

    Impossible to differentiate between

    A Marsia in the honour of a Baraat
    OR

    A Sehra in the honour of a Doulhaa.
    P S. Rumour, Dulhan eloped

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