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Posted on December 5, 2009
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Adil Najam

The headline screams out that more than 40 people are dead after a heartless and soulless suicide attack on a mosque in Rawalpindi. The story under it tells us that more than half of those butchered are children.

Numb. Enraged. Without words. One stares into space.

How many such headlines have we seen? How many more are we destined to see?

Carnage. Bloodshed. Callousness. Hatred.

These are not things that anyone with a modicum of humanity can become used to. Yet, the world passes us by. Its not even news for the rest of the world. They are too busy worrying about “their” Taliban, to care about what “our” Taliban are doing. In the crazy world that we have manufactured, not every death is created equal. And certainly not every life.

Once again, Pakistanis die. Once again, Pakistanis cry. Alone.



Once again, Pakistanis stare into the darkness of nothingness, looking for answers. There are few words of sympathy from those who claim to be our friends. There are only sneers and jeers from those who are our enemies.

Why, one asks, why? Why do they hate us so?

In this video interview one would-be suicide bomber speaks up. It is harrowing. Listen, if you will, to the voice of hatred. Listen, if you can, to what Pakistan’s enemy sounds like.

77 comments posted

  1. razia says:
    December 5th, 2009 12:52 am

    chilling.

  2. Dilawar says:
    December 5th, 2009 12:55 am

    Adil Bhai, you have written with such amazing force and with so much pain as if you were writing with your own blood. Your words speak for all Pakistanis. These enemies of Pakistan and Pakistanis and Muslims and of Islam are destroying us from within. There are no greater enemies of Pakistan today then these Taliban.

  3. Gardezi says:
    December 5th, 2009 12:57 am

    Very well said Adil. But it is so very painful to read. And even more painful is that video. Specially when he talks about being ready to kill children, just as the attackers of the mosque in Pindi did. With enemies like this and with so many Paksitanis still not ready to accept facts, how are we going to win this war.

  4. Calculating_Misfit says:
    December 5th, 2009 2:09 am

    @Adil

    “Yet, the world passes us by. Its not even news for the rest of the world.”

    I don’t understand where you are getting this. Virtually all major news organizations have carried this story.

    “They are too busy worrying about “their” Taliban, to care about what “our” Taliban are doing. In the crazy world that we have manufactured, not every death is created equal. And certainly not every life.”

    Actually they (I am assuming you are referring to the coalition forces in Afghanistan) do care and would like nothing more than to come on over and take care of “their” and “our” Taliban. Pakistan just won’t let them.

  5. Indian says:
    December 5th, 2009 2:43 am

    I feel sad for the innocent kids, but really, what goes around, comes around. This is what Pakistan gifted India in Kashmir for 20 years and laughed with glee as thousands of Indians died in attack after attack as Hindus and Sikhs were ethnically cleansed out to create an “Islamic” Kashmir. It is sweet justice to see the monster the Pakistani Army raised bite it back. Karma – mind it!

  6. naveed says:
    December 5th, 2009 2:56 am

    there is no proper definition done by our govt for all this crap sometimes they say its india sometime they its taliban and some time they just blame it off to some foreign hands … why dnt they see their own vulnerabilities towards all this. yes we are facing all this but there must a reason behind it…why in the world are we crying, dieing and suffering..

    sorry to say but we are unable to look at our self as a Nation..we have lost our identity and lost our moral and cultural values..that is Islam

  7. Unaiza Fatima says:
    December 5th, 2009 2:59 am

    #Indian
    Not something unexpected from an Indian, thanks to their “moral” support for the terror in return. What else would you expect from a sham-democracy who would nurture extremists like BJP, RSS, and SS in its legislative assemblies? Pakistan is at least fighting similar elements and paying a price too.

  8. Aamir Ali says:
    December 5th, 2009 3:08 am

    Every time there is an attack an Indian comes on these blogs to gloat. I will not be surprised if one day we find out India has been supporting these terrorists all along, just like in 1971.

    The world doesn’t care about Pakistan and having observed the F-grade performance of the US/NATO, can’t do much except drop bombs on civilians and occupy countries of some time. Its upto Pakistan to develop its capabilities and eliminate the garbage from its land.

  9. Dan says:
    December 5th, 2009 3:29 am

    “I feel sad for the innocent kids, but really, what goes around, comes around. This is what Pakistan gifted India in Kashmir for 20 years and laughed with glee as thousands of Indians died in attack after attack as Hindus and Sikhs were ethnically cleansed out to create an “Islamic” Kashmir. It is sweet justice to see the monster the Pakistani Army raised bite it back. Karma – mind it!”

    This coming from a country that engaged in massive riots against Sikhs after Operation Blue Star, Gujrat, and the pogroms against Christians in Orissa? Keep a leash on your extremist Hindus before lecturing others about extremism.

  10. Arfeen says:
    December 5th, 2009 3:48 am

    its really heart-rending to see whats happening in our Beloved country…..but now i have no more confusion/hesitation in accepting that these ‘jihadis’ are totally wrong …i dont know their intentions but have seen their actions…Once again, Pakistanis die. Once again, Pakistanis cry. Alone…you are right !….MAY ALLAH BLESS PAKISTAN.

    PAKISTAN ZINDABAD !

  11. Dan Brown says:
    December 5th, 2009 3:51 am

    @naveed we have lost our identity and lost our moral and cultural values..that is Islam….

    BS. Islam is the problem in the first place. Any theology stands to become corrupted to serve the interests of the ruling class and that is what has given us the madressa and our priests, the maulvis who twist the teachings to their will.

    It’s nothing new. Take a look at the bloodshed committed in the name of Christ since 1200 AD onwards. The immorality of it all. That is why the west now chooses to be secular, they’ve paid the price of theology.

    Pakistan needs to get secular in its wake. It’s not a nation meant for Muslims. It’s a nation meant for everyone who lives and works on its soil. The Pakistani. Otherwise, we don’t have a identity to begin with.

  12. Rizwan says:
    December 5th, 2009 4:01 am

    #Indian
    if Indians have such profound belief that what goes around comes around then Indian Government should stop meddling in Pakistan internal affairs like patronizing anti-Pakistan elements so that you would not find yourself in similar situation.

  13. Unaiza Fatima says:
    December 5th, 2009 4:05 am

    #Dan Brown
    What theocratic values you find in killing innocents?
    Did you forget human sacrifice of millions in Iraq to appease the goddess of democracy? Similar eh?

  14. arfeen says:
    December 5th, 2009 6:16 am

    Well i do have pity on such ‘jihadis’ for whom order of their leader matters most rather then QURAN and HADITH….his leader must had forgotten to narrate Saheeh Bukhari

    Volume 004, Book 052, Hadith Number 257.

    ‘Narrated By ‘Abdullah : During some of the Ghazawat of the Prophet a woman was found killed. Allah’s Apostle disapproved the killing of women and children’

    Islam prohibits killing women, the children, the sick, the elderly, and the monks. Also, Islam prohibits killing animals, destroying plants and trees. Islam also prohibits infesting and poisoning waters and springs, destroying homes and civilian establishments. All these are supported by many sayings of the prophet Muhammad (S.A.W.). (and what are they doing?)

    The way to re-establish the Islamic state as prescribed by Allah (S.W.T) is by giving Da’wah using strong evidence and presenting yourself with patience, perseverance and forgiveness. This is the Jihad that the prophet Muhammad (S.A.W.) and his companions exercised in Makkah before migrating to Madinah.

    ……i wish we could convince these suiciders…

    and 1 more point this suicider has pointed…..In ISLAM we believe all children are born sinless…while christains believe in hereditory sin theory ,they say that ADAM and EVE sinned so all progeny of ADAM are sinned.

  15. Adnan Siddiqi says:
    December 5th, 2009 6:23 am

    @Indian: Ironically most of our pro-Indians Pakistanis tend to burry their heads in sand while they are asked to seek truth. We have been constantly reading for last couple of months that Pakistani Army have found concrete evidences of involvement of India in SWaziristan and FATA tribes. They found Indian weapons over there along with Indians itself disguising wearing “Talibanic Fashion”.

    Our impotent nonMullah govt does not have guts to admit in international forums like UN etc but facts remain same.

    Ref:

    thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=210941

    Will liberals try to deal with these kinds of “jihadis”?

  16. Natasha says:
    December 5th, 2009 6:23 am

    //Once again, Pakistanis die. Once again, Pakistanis cry. Alone.//

    Expect another ‘ do more ‘ statement.

    heart-wrenching.

  17. Watan Aziz says:
    December 5th, 2009 9:42 am

    Please, if all of you could prioritize your lists, it will be easier for me to follow all the reasons you all are listing.

    Thanks in anticipation.

  18. Sridhar says:
    December 5th, 2009 9:52 am

    First off, let me start off by saying that this is a cowardly act of terrorism. Targeting children is the lowest one can go.

    Second, I feel cheated and disappointed. I used to think that at least Adil and this website represented sanity and calmness and thoughtfulness. Apparently not always. Perhaps these are emotions taking hold of reason. If not, it is depressing. Depressing to see yet another person falling prey to the “world is against Muslims” line.

    I woke up in the morning to the NPR news as usual and the first thing I heard was about this attack. Perhaps that was not enough, but the fact is that attacks such as this generate attention the more important the target from the point of view of the observer and/or the more connected they feel to it. For instance, just yesterday, there was a suicide attack in Somalia that killed more than 20 people. How much media coverage did that receive in Pakistan?

    If you wish to be noticed, for the world to share your grief and to sympathize with you
    a. Increase your importance to the world. Not because you are the biggest headache to the world, the biggest reason for leaders to stay awake at night or because of the misery you have caused to others. But because of what you have contributed to the world in a positive sense.

    b. Increase your connections with the rest of the world. Through trade. Through presence in Western societies. Through your educational attainments. Or sporting achievements. And so on.

    Sixteen years ago, there were the first Mumbai serial bombings. At the time, it was one of the worst episodes of mass urban terrorism the world had seen. It hardly got coverage, since it was yet another third world city, teeming with people and with those wretched Hindus and Muslims at each others’ throats.

    Switch to November 2008 – things changed somewhat. There was more coverage. More outrage. More sympathy. Not even close to what it would have been had it been in London or Paris or even Sofia. But more than what it was in 1993. Or 2006, when local commuter trains across Mumbai were bombed (with greater loss of life than in 2008). The importance of Mumbai (and India), its connectedness with the rest of the world and of course the nature of the attack were contributors in this change.

    To sum up, stop wallowing in this – “world is against Islam and Muslims”, we are in this alone” kind of garbage. Do what is necessary to get yourself out of this state, or at least to stem further movement downwards. Recognize the demons you have created and nurtured over the last several decades and work hard to finish them off once and for all. The world will surely be by your side if you are sincere in these efforts.

    Once again, sympathies to all those who have lost loved ones or have been injured in this dastardly attack.

  19. Meengla says:
    December 5th, 2009 10:45 am

    1) @Sridhar, yes, I agree that Prof. Najam is being carried away by emotions in this topic but I don’t think Indians are quite innocent in all this. This you believe is coming from even the most ‘liberals’ of Pakistanis. Much can be written about as to why a weaker State like Pakistan had to resort to using the so-called ‘jihad’ against the Soviet-Indian nexus in Afghanistan of the late 70s. This is perhaps not the time and place for that. Suffice it to say, India may not be directly involved in this but India itches to take advantage of Pakistani problems. I suggest you go and read http://www.bharat-rakshak.com forum to see what educated Indians think and scheme about Pakistan.
    2) Looks like violence in Pakistan is sadly getting to the level of what was Iraq in 2006. Not quite that bad but getting there.
    3) Desperate situations require equally desperate measures. Pakistan has so many unemployed people that a large army of informers and spies can be build to infiltrate all these Jahil Madrassahs and training camps. Sure, there could be chaos, double crossings etc but, I think, there will be some progress in hunting down these barbarians before they strike.
    4) Occupation of Swat was the high-point for these militants. It is downhill for them since then. Yes, ‘Pakistanis die, Pakistanis cry’, but Pakistanis also fight back. And now, due to the dominance of various conspiracy theories (lead by the likes of Zaid Hamid), Pakistanis are convinced of an Indian involvement and support for these militants and hence Pakistanis fight back with vigor.
    5) There can’t be any peace in Pakistan until the issue of Kashmir is resolved to the satisfaction of most major parties.

  20. Afaq Ali says:
    December 5th, 2009 11:02 am

    Very powerful words.

    I am amazed also why there is no outrage at this. Do only the death of people in New York, Barcelona or Mumbai count. Where is the world’s humanity when Pakistanis die everyday?

    We get hit by our Taliban enemies everyday and our supposed friends just tell us it is our own fault and we should stop worrying about “Pakistani” Taliban and help them clean up other country’s Taliban. THere is a helplessness amongst those of us who want to fight the Taliban and these new policies do not help.

    As for these Indian gloaters dancing at teh graves of dead children. I will just ignore them. I hope not all Indians are as heartless as these.

  21. December 5th, 2009 11:14 am

    Some comments from the ATP Facebook Page:

    - “MURDERERS, CRIMINALS using children as suicide bombers and killing children in cold blood in the house of worship. FIND THEM AND KILL ‘EM ALL PAKISTAN ARMY. We are with you.”
    - “ALLAH help all pakistanes people”
    - “we dont need security equipments and financial aids . we just need to become a responsible nation.as always.and why is it the armys responsibility only… we can atleast find them for them to kill. wake up everyone and look around u. tum sab ghar kai bahar koora to saaf rakh nahee saktai. thts also someone elses responsibility.”
    - “I hope that despite these attrocities Pakistan can maintain its resolve to rid its land of the barbaric terrorists (taliban and others) for the sake of the future generations. We need to root them out once and for all..inshallah.Tolerance and Peace for all.”
    - “Well said, Sir. These Taliban are the true enemies of Muslims and of Pakistanis. We should just forget about the Americans and the Afghans and concentrate only on defeating our enemy.”

  22. Sridhar says:
    December 5th, 2009 11:19 am

    Meengla,

    This is the first I am hearing of the Soviet-”Indian” nexus in Afghanistan in the 1970s that Pakistan used jihad against. Please don’t create false demons where they don’t exist.

    As for the use of terrorism as an instrument of state policy, I would oppose it whoever uses it, whether India or Pakistan or anybody else. My national identity has nothing to do with my opinions on this matter. It is for Pakistanis to realize that it was a mistake to support terrorist organizations merely because the targets were people they hated and not themselves. And to reverse these mistakes of the past. For self-preservation if not for any moral reasons.

  23. Quantum Singularity says:
    December 5th, 2009 11:21 am

    @Adnan Siddiqui

    “Ironically most of our pro-Indians Pakistanis tend to burry their heads in sand while they are asked to seek truth. We have been constantly reading for last couple of months that Pakistani Army have found concrete evidences of involvement of India in SWaziristan and FATA tribes.”

    And so the world is supposed to believe you because of statements from the Pakistani army or govt? The same authorities that said AQ Khan was not proliferating nukes or the one denying that Kasab was not a Pakistani for a month? Give me a break. Please pony up some concrete evidence instead of constantly “compiling” said evidence. As for your alleged “evidence”, Indian weapons??? I have heard that the Talibs use AK-47s, maybe the Russians are involved?? The Mumbai terrorists used Samsung sat phones, maybe the Koreans are in cahoots with the Talibs?

    “Our impotent nonMullah govt does not have guts to admit in international forums like UN etc but facts remain same.”

    It is your impotent non-mullah govt that is making these allegations in the first place. Sorry but statements from Mr. 10%s goons and the Pak Army are not facts.

  24. Razia says:
    December 5th, 2009 11:23 am

    Surprised that more people have not commented on the video in the post. Maybe everyone had seen it before. I saw it for the first time and it sent a chill up my spine. I was literally shivering.

    At just how brainwashed this man is but also at how many other are brainwashed to think that such people are not what we should be worrying about.

    I don’t know if India is supporting trouble in Pakistan or not. They probably are. I do not care what the Americans want or not want. All I want is for my country to get rid of these vermin of the Taliban. We shoudl not expect anyone else, Americans or other, to help us in this. This is our battle and we have to fight it ourselves.

    PAKISTAN ZINDABAD.

  25. Sakib Ahmad says:
    December 5th, 2009 11:33 am

    Let us turn the question around and ask ourselves: what have we done to make others love us? If we were honest with ourselves we would have to say: precious little. To put it bluntly, the Pakistani society is anything but Islamic – a system which is unable to provide justice and equality for all, and which is universally reviled for its pervasive corruption, is the very antithesis of Islamic teachings. Worse, we are a people devoid of self-esteem, ignorant of the treasure trove in our own backyard, and we cling to the language and culture of people who had ruled over us once.

    In my opinion our “Taliban” problem is essentially a social problem, which has taken on a religious hue. The genie of Taliban was spawned by the stark contrast between widespread poverty of ordinary people and the brazen acquisition of wealth by those who found themselves in positions of power – the politicians, the bureaucrats, and the senior officers of our armed forces. Do you really think that the madrassahs, dispensing a degraded form of Islamic teachings which defy common sense, would have flourished but for rampant injustice and poverty in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan?

    Since we specialise in hating the Jews, let us take a quick look at their performance. In the diaspora they were lost souls, detested and loathed by all. Then they somehow got hold of a piece of land they called Israel and they never looked back. They revived a dead language, Hebrew, created a strong sense of identity and grew exponentially, culminating in the establishment of a feared nuclear power that can treat the only acknowledged super power in the world with contempt.

    We Pakistanis, on the other hand, never tire of blaming others for our misfortunes. True, our weaknesses have been exploited and taken advantage of by others but the root cause of our ills remains our many flaws and imperfections. We get what we deserve, no more and no less. That is how Allah addresses mankind in the Qur’an but we have shut our eyes to its Message and we have turned our Deen into a weird religion which is little more than a form of worship, the rites and rules for which differ from sect to sect.

    While we follow a short term strategy to control the Taliban menace we also need to put into effect a long term strategy to remove the conditions which enable religious demagogues to influence impressionable young minds and push them in a direction that leads to a dead end. The short term strategy must also include urgent action against those who have destroyed Pakistan – financially, and in other ways. Starting with the NRO robbers, we need to work back and dispense justice to the great and the good who have ruled Pakistan in the past. Some like Musharraf, and his “chamcha” Shaukat Aziz, probably enjoy the protection and patronage of foreign powers but we need to assert our independence just as Israel has managed to do. If we fail to get rid of the terrible inferiority complex we suffer from, we will for ever be chided and cajoled by others to “do more” even though what we do is far more than anybody else has been able to achieve.

    Please click the link below, which will take you to a couple of posts in my blog most relevant to this discussion: “Islam spin” and “Pakistan’s colonial set-up”.

    http://sakibahmad.blogspot.com/2009/10/islam-pakistan-usa.html

    http://sakibahmad.blogspot.com/2009/10/slow-pace-of-pakistans-economic.html

  26. sheepoo says:
    December 5th, 2009 11:36 am

    I am wondering when his amir himself will go on a fidaee mission? Guess he is too coward to attempt it himself!

    Pathetic….

  27. Naveed R. says:
    December 5th, 2009 11:38 am

    The man in the video is obviously a brain-washed moron but he belongs to a very small minority. Sure, he’s in the news because his parrot-talk is so outrageous. But what the majority of Pakistanis think and feel is what is important today.

    I think that Yousuf Nazar has summed up the big picture very well in his Dawn article dated December 5:

    http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/news/pakistan/12-the+axis+of+trouble–bi-07

  28. Pervez says:
    December 5th, 2009 11:46 am

    Yes, they are a minority. But there are enough of them to be killing Pakistanis every day. We need to fight them and stop looking at them as “Paksitanis” or as “Muslims”. They obviously care about neither.

  29. ShahidnUSA says:
    December 5th, 2009 12:18 pm

    Yes, Cry But then wipe yout tears and get back to work.
    These are the leakages expected to happen in a messy warfare. A pakistani wagondriver on hashish or sleeping on the job kills more people. I dont want to hear any set of sad songs anymore.

    Listen, even the most expensive and sophisticated American routine patrols in Iraq get blown away by IEDs. Hate the abreviations so I googled it. Improvised expleosive devices.
    Very hard to identify non bearded Talibans now. Every angry man is not a Taliban.
    They are mixed in with security personnals. Take out the source that polluting young minds. Remember its a two way street. We are as nasty to them as they are to us.

    About Kashmir. Please tell India we dont want Kashmir , keep it.
    Even if a new Kashmir state was born, there will be something else. Its in their psyche now to protest.
    Dont forget, there are more muslims live in India than Pakistan.
    I would go as far as dismantling the pakistan army and find them a job in agriculture. But tis not the time to discuss that. Thats for later.
    Remember its easy to bomb them into pieces but hard to keep them in a peace.
    hmmm Its not a very good “Take home message” so let me come up with another one.
    Until then,
    Khuda hafiz
    Shahid

  30. Rashid Ali says:
    December 5th, 2009 12:32 pm

    Adil, we share your outrage at the same time we feel so helpless. I read one opinion that unless main religious parties in Pakistan, who also participate in politics, come out clearly against such attacks and against the violent movement which perpetuate such outrage, this violence will not be stopped. After watching the video of brain washed young man only a concerted and totally united response from Pakistanis will have a chance to succeed

  31. Naveed says:
    December 5th, 2009 12:43 pm

    Yes, we must fight and we must unite. Maybe it’s time for overseas Pakistanis to come home and work on saving their country because no matter how long they’ve been away, they’re still Pakistanis–and more importantly are seen as Pakistanis. Even if they marry foreigners, their children will still be perceived as Pakistanis. We all know that as Pakistanis we are between a rock and a hard place no matter where we are–as Shoaib Mansoor has shown so brilliantly in “Khuda Kay Liye”.
    Our expatriates are our strength; we must put this strength to use at home. Let’s work on this one problem: how do we unite our people?

  32. Eidee Man says:
    December 5th, 2009 12:47 pm

    What’s most depressing about these events is that our leaders have utterly failed to build some national sense of loss and resolve.

  33. omar says:
    December 5th, 2009 1:25 pm

    Lets not get too carried away with the delicious sound of whining about “the world does not care about Pakistanis”. The world has been trying for years to tell the permanent establishment that the serpent they are feeding is going to devour them someday. This monster is our own creation.

    The international Islamist terrorists are a loose but interconnected network of Islamists who came together in Pakistan during and after the Soviet occupation and mostly functioned under the supervision of (sympathetic) Pakistani army officers. The army high command completely succumbed to a relatively small number of Jihadi officers (due, in my opinion, to the extraordinary incompetence of our senior officers and the terribly short sighted decision to educate them in National Defence College, where they picked up notions of “strategy” and “national interest” that primed them for being made into utter fools by their jihadi peers) and gave them free rein throughout the nineties.
    During this time, half a million men were trained by various jihadi organizations and a nationwide culture of jihad was allowed to take root in rural punjab as well as in the less fashionable sections of major cities. It was mostly off the radar of the small upper class from which we all hail, but it was a very major social shift. In the tribal areas as well as in Pakhtun Karachi and in most of South Punjab, it was easier to get justice from these people than from the existing state. To avoid international pressure and to avoid upsetting the sensibilities of the English speaking classes, the endgame of this jihadi enterprise was never publicized outside their own groups. The extensive links of the army with the taliban and of the taliban with these jihadi networks were also kept off the front pages.

    All jihadists were never under Pak army control and some Arab extremists based in Afghanistan attacked the US, probably without Pak army knowledge. The US invasion that followed was assisted by the Pak army under the assumption that the Americans will one day leave and the good taliban will then come back. For that purpose, the good taliban were not hampered in their escape and sanctuary in Pakistan. Under American pressure, some jihadi groups were shut down while others were told to lie low. Unfortunately, the army then discovered that the jihadis were using the army more than the army was using the jihadis and many of them refused to lie low, leading to problems with the US and with India. I am not sure if the Mumbai attacks were done with Pak army knowledge or not, but am working on the assumption that they were NOT known to the army beforehand.

    Members of this network have set off bombs in London, Barcelona, India, Bali and more.
    This network is now striking against the army, so my assumption is that the army has really started to move against the jihadists (except for ones like LET, which continue to accept some supervision…again, whether they pulled off mumbai without Pak army permission is an interesting question)
    And so on.
    As you can see, in my version, leaving the jihadists alone is not really an option because they will not leave us alone. Their project was real, it was international and it would have led to war IN ANY CASE even if 9-11 had not happened (though the initial war may have been against India in that case). Tactical decisions are always open for debate, but the overall strategic issue is clear to me: the Pakistani state has to either openly side with the jihadists, in which case the anti-taliban Afghans, India, Russia, Iran and NATO will look for ways to bring us down (some jihadists have told me that in that case we will have Chinese support, though I doubt it), OR we have to take on the jihadist network by working WITH the Americans, the Afghans, the Indians and so on, and in the course of this, still safeguard national interests of a more secular nature (water, boundary disputes, trade disputes and so on). There is no negotiated settlement because THEY will not negotiate peace except as a temporary reprieve in which to build up strength.

    Sorry, no time for references, though they exist for most of the above assertions. Anyway, you are free to find your own version.
    What is your picture of this terrorist network?

  34. December 5th, 2009 1:33 pm

    Some comments from the ATP Facebook Page:

    - “he (in video) is simply sick minded, what can we say abt him, but one thing is sure he will get many hooray (punches) instead of horain.”
    - “Ruthless, SICK, shocking, mindwashed. Besides Mr. Jihadi: Even the prophet sent someone home, as he had not granted permission form his mother do go along with others for war. What kind of “islam” do you think, you are representing?”
    - “main soch raha hoon ke insan ke bash main wo shatan kitnia kathar kan ho ga jis ke is larkay aur is tara ke aur kitniay he larknoo ke dil or degam main itnia zher bhar daya hai…:(:(:”
    - “Ohhh GOD….”
    - “yeah sab islam ki original taleemat sy dori ki waja sy hai, jitna ham islam sy door hotay ja rahay hain utnay hee buray hallat aatay ja rahay hain, jab tak ham islam pay sahi tarah amal nahi karain gay aur uss ko dunya say zaida importance nahi dain gay issee tarah hota rahay ga. Allah saf kehta hai tum mairay deen ki madad karoo main tumari madad karoon ga, tum mairay ihkamat pay poora poora amal karon main tumari duyna wa akhirat donoo bna doon ga. laikin ham iss murdar dunyak peehcya zaeel o khawar ho rahay hain aur insaniyat sy bhee gir chukay hian ham. Allah maaf karay aur ham sab ko hidayat dai aur imaan mazboot karay aur tamam fitnoon aur shar sy hifazat karay (ameen)”
    - “toba he.these ppl r so heartless”
    - “How can these people live with themselves. Listen to this gy saying he will kill kids, and Muslims and even his own family. How can these Taliban mullahs live with themselves.”

  35. Zecchetti says:
    December 5th, 2009 2:07 pm

    @arfeen

    I agree with you.

  36. Arvind says:
    December 5th, 2009 2:26 pm

    I am stunned after watching the video…he is completely brain-washed. His belief is completely warped and beyond reason. He cannot be negotiated. He will either kill or be killed. He has no love lost for the nation or its people. He will kill even babies.
    And if these guys or their minder( Amir ) get access to Nuclear Arsenal, we are done with. We will have Armageddon at our hand,

  37. Tariq says:
    December 5th, 2009 2:34 pm

    Tured of idiot commentators who remind us that Pakistan once “nurtured” Taliban. Well, so did the CIA. But neither fact is relevant now, because Pakistan has been righting a real war against them for a long. Trying to make cheap political points over the death of so many innocents is not just unbecoming, it is cruel. Just like terrorism is cruel.

  38. Gautum says:
    December 5th, 2009 2:38 pm

    Yes, Arvind. That thought is very scary. Scares Pakistanis too.

    That is why India should immediately destroy its nuclear weapons so that Pakistan can do it too. Paksitan would love to close its nuclear weapons as soon as India does, since that is our only real nuclear threat.

    I think if India did that it woudl also bring great relief to Mahatma Gandhis soul since Indias nuclear program is a blot of Gandhi jees name…. as if his murder by Hindu fundamentalists was not enough, his ideas were also killed by the Indian nuclear program. What a great contribution it woudl be to Gandhi jees name and world peace if India did actually abandon its nuclear program so that Pakistan could also do the same.

  39. Calculating_Misfit says:
    December 5th, 2009 2:56 pm

    @Tariq

    “Tured of idiot commentators who remind us that Pakistan once “nurtured” Taliban. Well, so did the CIA.”

    Huh? The Taliban were formed in 1994, well after the Soviet Union left Afghanistan and collapsed. How and why would the CIA “nurture” the Talibs?

    “Trying to make cheap political points over the death of so many innocents is not just unbecoming, it is cruel.”

    Definitely agree. Violence against innocents should always be condemned.

  40. Julia G. says:
    December 5th, 2009 2:58 pm

    That video is quite alarming. But yo will find similar certitude in all brainwashed individuals and extremists all over the world. There is a huge academic literature on how this happens and why this happens. For example, by Harald Otto Schweizer who has been researching female suicide bombers of Muslim as well as Hundu faith. This is why breaking their infrastructures of brainwashing is considered so important.

  41. Tariq says:
    December 5th, 2009 3:06 pm

    @Calculating_Misfit

    yes, sure. And the Taliban came out of thin air. You must be so right.

    Keep going. Gloat on children’s death if it gives you pleasure.

    I remember after 9/11 and then again after Mumbai there were those who tried to make bigoted arguments about how the US or India had “brought it on themselves” by their own actions. I always found these arguments very distressing and cheap and dehumanizing. I find the arguments about how Pakistan has “brought it on itself” to be exactly the same.

  42. Lateef says:
    December 5th, 2009 3:15 pm

    The whole country is now behind the fight against the Taliban. The military, the civil govt and ordinary people. They are now desperate and that is why they have stepped up on the killing.

    Sadly, the only forces who want Pakistan to do LESS in the fight against the Taliban in Pakistan are the American (who would rather have Paksitan focus on helping them in cleaning the mess in Afghanistan) and the Indians (who would rather have Pakistan help them in dealing with terrorism in India). Neither of them understand that the first step towards a larger solution is cleaning up the Taliban in Pakistan.

  43. NO TO TALIBANS says:
    December 5th, 2009 3:22 pm

    It is a chilling video. I think exposing teh thinking of these killers has to be a part of the effort so that the brainwashed mullahs who somehow think that these killers are doing this for “Islam” are shown who they really are. As for outsiders who want to blame things on Islam, even seeing this will not get the bigotry and propaganda out of their heart. They too are brainwashed, so lets not even worry about that.

    All Pakistanis are now in the war against the Taliban and we must win that war.

    PAKISTAN ZINDABAD

  44. Babar says:
    December 5th, 2009 3:26 pm

    Adil, I am very disappointed in you. Why you failed to name “the enemy”? It is the Jihadi culture, Jihadi Organizations and rampant Talibization of society which is our enemy. No one from outside can help us with them. It is only us who can do it but we are too scared to even look in the eyes of anyone with a beard. That is the actual reality and cause of trouble in Pakistan.

  45. ASAD says:
    December 5th, 2009 3:32 pm

    Babar, maybe you are distracted by your ‘disappointment’. The enemy is not just named it heard and its seen and is the entire point of the post from Adil, in that video at the climax.

    I don’t see the post asking for anyone’s help. But maybe a little sympathy and understanding will give better resolve to the people in Pakistan who are doing all the dying!

  46. Mariyum says:
    December 5th, 2009 3:34 pm

    Can someone please give an update and context of the video. Was the Taliban interviewed here under custody and what has happened to him now?

  47. Rohail says:
    December 5th, 2009 3:35 pm

    @Babar: I totally agree with you.

  48. Abdul Hai says:
    December 5th, 2009 5:17 pm

    The guy is brain washed. However, I have learned in my engineering profession that to fix a problem, we need to find the root cause and try to fix it. My limited knowledge leads to me to believe that Pakistani have to look inwards at their morals and corruption. Some thing has to be done to show ordinary deprived youth that the corrupt politicians, bureacrats, and army generals are held accountable and punished for their crimes. I also believe, that Pakistan is now on a path of a civil war and revolution with violent events. Nothing can stop this revolution, which will wipe out the injustice even though it will hurt the majority of the innocent citizens.

  49. Hamza says:
    December 5th, 2009 5:51 pm

    A few commentators have remarked about this already, but there is no way to have a dialogue with these terrorists. The next time Imran Khan, the Jamaat-e-Islami, Ansar Abbasi, etc, call for dialogue with the Taliban, they should be made to watch this video. Dialogue with the Taliban is futile.

  50. Ben castle says:
    December 5th, 2009 9:27 pm

    damn the pakistani army who created these monsters. damn the dictators like zia and Mush who played this dirty politics. i fume with anger when i see filthy offsprings of zia – ijaz ul haq- in our national assembly and the patronizing he did of culprits behind the laal masjid

    also another point, when i watch our news channels like geo…i fail to understand why they take osama bin laden name is a polite manner “like osama afghanistan mai hain, un ka pata kissi ko naheen”….why do we need to give respect to mudrers?????? this hypocisy needs to stop

  51. Calculating_Misfit says:
    December 5th, 2009 10:03 pm

    @Tariq

    “yes, sure. And the Taliban came out of thin air. You must be so right.”

    They certainly did not appear out of thin air. They are around because of the narrow mindedness of individuals who had no problem working with a bunch pyschopaths in exchange for “strategic” depth.

    “Keep going. Gloat on children’s death if it gives you pleasure.”

    Oh come off it, I already said it is reprehensible to wish for the death of any innocent. And the rants of a few net warriors hardly represents the whole.

    “I find the arguments about how Pakistan has “brought it on itself” to be exactly the same.”

    Pakistan brought it on itself not because it made mistakes in supporting the Talibs prior to 9/11 but because it continues to igonore/shield/support factions of Talibs that are in its “strategic” interests. No one in the world will sympathize with Pakistan with that kind of attitude. Why do you think there is such antipathy from virtually all of Pakistan’s neighbors?

    Think about it, would Pakistan be in this position had Mushy and Co. had gone after the Talibs in 2002-07? Instead he dithered, made peace deals with the psychopaths and threw the billions given to Pakistan somwhere into the abyss. I don’t expect anything different today. The military will half ass it and will not target “friendly” Talibs (who btw have no problem shielding “bad” Talibs).

  52. Aamir Ali says:
    December 5th, 2009 11:09 pm

    @calculating misfit

    You have now had your pleasure at Pakistan’s expense and there is nothing new in your posts or solutions to Pakistan’s problems. Rather they are diverting the discussion to what India wants. Please leave.

    Back to discussion its important that Pakistan as a state keep enhancing its capacity and keep the focus on the Pakistani Taliban, who are causing this whole mess. With the US announcement that they are withdrawing from the region, there is no need to further enlarge the battlefield to include Baluchistan and end up in 3 years time a shattered country, with US/NATO gone and the Taliban in control of large part of Afghanistan.

  53. Abhilash Shastry says:
    December 5th, 2009 11:46 pm

    Terrorists don’t have a religion. They are the enemies of humanity and therefore all of us irrespective of our religion, nationality, caste, creed or colour have to come out against this menace. Whether they are Talibans or Al Qaida or RSS or Zionist fanatics of the East Coast, they are in essence one and the same. Days of selective outrage must be over if we have to win this war.

  54. Calculating_Misfit says:
    December 6th, 2009 2:44 am

    @Aamir Ali

    “You have now had your pleasure at Pakistan’s expense and there is nothing new in your posts or solutions to Pakistan’s problems. Rather they are diverting the discussion to what India wants.”

    Correction that is what the rest of the world wants. Most people here are blabbering about why the world does sympathize with Pakistan. I merely gave the accurate response. How exactly India fits into the argument is beyond me. The Afghan Talibs are not the ones primarily threatening them.

    “Back to discussion its important that Pakistan as a state keep enhancing its capacity and keep the focus on the Pakistani Taliban, who are causing this whole mess.”

    You really think the Afghan and Pakistan Talibs are that different?? Who do you think is harboring the Pakistani Talibs? They are brothers in arms (albeit with different initial targets).

    “With the US announcement that they are withdrawing from the region, there is no need to further enlarge the battlefield to include Baluchistan and end up in 3 years time a shattered country, with US/NATO gone and the Taliban in control of large part of Afghanistan.”

    Sorry to burst your bubble (and you were so happy). The 3 year time frame was not a deadline. It was at best an estimate, the US will not leave with a chance the Talibs will get back into power:

    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/12/05/ftn/main5906817.shtml

  55. Aamir Ali says:
    December 6th, 2009 3:08 am

    @Calculating Misfit

    You don’t speak for the world.

    Obama speech was the end of the American war in Afghanistan and the beginning of American withdrawl, which will begin in 18 months. Already Obama admin officials are talking about negotiating with some “moderate Taliban” and that Taliban is always going to be part of Afghanistan. Their last Hooah effort will not make any big difference.

    Hence Pakistan focus should be on its problems and its external policies geared towards the day when Afghanistan returns to its old status in 1992: multiple muscular factions in control of parts of Afghanistan, with the Taliban among one of them, and with nobody in the world caring.

    The US has failed in Afghanistan and is going to leave the region in a mess, just like in 1989.

  56. Khurram Farooqui says:
    December 6th, 2009 9:35 am

    I am not sure why people are upset about what Calculating_Misfit or Omar are saying. There is quite a bit of truth in their posts. We are in the position we are in because of (short-sighted) decisions that we made in the past. If we do not face up to those decisions, how will we correct them?

    The truth can be very painful, but we cannot afford to be defensive about our mistakes. We have to be introspective. Otherwise we are not very far off from the guy in the video.

    We have to ask ourselves this: whether the US is there or not, what is in our long-term interest? It CANNOT be to continue to support the “good” Taliban in case we need them to counter India in the future. That strategy had backfired dramatically in the past.

  57. Meengla says:
    December 6th, 2009 10:07 am

    1) I wish it was as simple/simplistic to understand what is happening in Pakistan as Pakistani generals’ desire for a ‘strategic depth’ in Afghanistan. Pakistan and India counter each other in any which way they can. That was true in the late ’70s and that is true even more. Afghanistan is a violent theater for that power projection.
    2) By ‘supporting the terrorists’ in Indian-held Kashmir, Pakistan has managed to tie down 500,000 Indian security officials in that relatively small piece of land. The strategic planners in Pakistan play the numbers-game everyday.
    3) Yes, Americans have given up on Afghanistan and are already there are talking about the area ‘to the East of Afghanistan’ being ‘strategic’ for Afghanistan. Americans would be content to leave the women-flogging Talibans in power in Afghanistan IF Al-Qaida is neutralized enough. Perhaps, if Osama Bin Laden is alive, then his elimination would grant a ‘moral victory’ and an ultimate-justification for an ‘exit strategy’. @Amir Ali is correct in assuming that Afghanistan may be back to 1992. A ‘good Taliban’ is a Taliban without Al-Qaida (if that can be made possible?)
    4) Pakistanis and Pakistani media is never shy of admitting the follies of breeding religious-fundamentalists. There is a course-correction being attempted lead by the PPP govt. and its secular allies. To what extent it can succeed against parts of military-led Establishment largely depends on how much breathing-space India allows Pakistani Army to clean up the northwest. India does not need Divisions of Strike Corps to stop future Ajmal Kassabs; those Corps are for something else and not certainly for a Pakistani Army invading India in any suicidal rush through the deserts of Chowlistan and Thar.
    5) A little understanding and humility will be better for Indians. They deny the liberal segments of Pakistan any concessions, any breathing space. Indian intentions are not entirely for ‘regional peace’ and ‘democracy’ blah blah. No one buys that line anywhere in this world except a pliant Indian population spoon-fed by a brainwashing media.
    6) Again, there can’t be peace in Pakistan without Kashmir’s settlement. Today a part of Pakistani establishment is -trying- to not use ‘terrorism as a state policy’. Tomorrow, it can change its mind if the very fabric of Pakistani state is being unravelled. Yes, that could mean, under the nuclear umbrella, instigating acts of terrorism inside India on regular basis. Yes, there are enough nut-jobs in this Establishment who can do that.
    7) Let’s pull back from this madness. The waters of the Himalayas can quench the thirst of all in India, Pakistan, China and other countries but the blood of human being cannot.

  58. Muslim says:
    December 6th, 2009 11:43 am

    @Ex-Muslim.

    If you believe that, I am so glad that you ae an “ex” Muslim. Good luck to you.

    It is so nice that people who believe such nonsense are leaving Islam. Can you please take all the Taliban with you. Since they are the only other ones who have same views like you. I guess if you had stayed in Islam you would have joined them anyhow since they have same beliefs as you.

    So, sir/madam, can you please also take all your Taliban friends of you.

    In gratitude.

    Muslim.

  59. Calculating_Misfit says:
    December 6th, 2009 12:36 pm

    @Aamir Ali

    “You don’t speak for the world.”

    I think I do. I seriously doubt the world has any interest in seeing the Talibs back in power in Afghanistan.

    “Obama speech was the end of the American war in Afghanistan and the beginning of American withdrawl, which will begin in 18 months.”

    Incorrect. You have obviously have little experience in reading statements made by the White House, the intent is to placate political factions (in this case hardcore leftwing Democrats). Obama promised a surge, and that in 2011 troops will begin to come home. But what troops? The surged troops? A few troops? All the troops? Such vagueness is deliberate.

    The US strategy is basically of conditional and possible withdrawal. By turning over peaceful areas of Afghanistan to local forces this frees up troops to focus on more contested areas or possibly to withdraw them. The US is also attempting to set up groups similar to the Awakening Councils in Iraq to fight the Talibs. Both of these strategies worked well in Iraq and they are hoping to duplicate it in Afghanistan.

    You will note in the vid below that both Secretary of Defense Gates and Secretary of State Clinton avoid saying there is no deadline (for poltical reasons), but that is exactly what they mean. That is the art of political obfuscation at its finest.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1WjedQCOBw

    “ Already Obama admin officials are talking about negotiating with some “moderate Taliban” and that Taliban is always going to be part of Afghanistan. Their last Hooah effort will not make any big difference.”

    Actually such talk existed even during the Bush administration. It is not really a negotiation. Rather it is a general amnesty for the non-hardcore Talibs to lay down their arms and reintegrate into Afghan society.

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hvWEqwq3CrRvaQCmt21MfoYhjZJQD9C7RR5O0

    “Hence Pakistan focus should be on its problems and its external policies geared towards the day when Afghanistan returns to its old status in 1992”

    So a return to the policies of promoting the Talib psychopaths? A surefire way to flush Pakistan down the shithole of fundamentalism.

    “The US has failed in Afghanistan and is going to leave the region in a mess, just like in 1989.”

    Is that a fact or what you wish was true?

  60. Ayaz says:
    December 6th, 2009 2:48 pm

    They are very clear about why they hate Pakistanis. They have declared it an apostate army. They are very open about what they have done and why. They have owned FIA building attack, GHQ attack, ISI building attack, Munawan attack,…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3av9s1j2m40…player_embedded

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0u-bP77R6Fc…player_embedded

  61. Meengla says:
    December 6th, 2009 5:38 pm

    @Calculating_Misfit,
    To be fair to @Amir_Ali, he never supports these fundos in this blogspace–at least that’s what I gather so far. He and I do disagree on the present democratic setup’s continuation. I want the PPP-led govt. to complete its term or at least be kicked out through constitutional means. I am not sure about @Amir_Ali. But I digress!
    You need to read Cyril Almeida’s latest column (Two Generals of Obama) in Dawn.com to understand how we ‘liberal’ Pakistanis view Obama’s surge. We WANT General McChrystal (spp?) to succeed at the expense of ‘Gen’ Rahm Emmanuel who is likely to cut and run.
    As for your point about ‘political obfuscation’, you may be correct. And yet there is unmistakeable streak of neo-isolationism in America which cannot be ignored. Americans are ready to ‘cut n run’ after declaring a moral victory–much to the disappointment of the myriad right-wing conspiracy nut jobs of Pakistan (led by Hamid Gul, Zaid Hamid, Imran Khan…)

  62. jarjar says:
    December 6th, 2009 10:48 pm

    @Meengla,

    What exactly the liberal pakistanis want from India.
    Liberal Pakistanis that is the biggest oxymoron I have ever
    heard of. Just because you are western educated does not
    make you Liberal. In fact if you take a brain test, you
    will see that yours is conservative brain.
    Breathing Space. You can have all the breathing space.
    Do what ever you want. We don’t want anything to do with you.
    Democracy and Liberalism were happy accident of
    Great depression when Capitalism nearly collapsed.
    What exactly the World is going to invest in Pakistan for.
    What is the profit. Just a threat that Pakistan won’t A-bomb India.
    Did India prevent you from having a eduction system.
    Did India prevent you from having a birth control.
    You mind your own business, we will mind our own business.
    Enjoy the hell that you have created by living in hatred of others.
    That is the very nature of Islam so much for liberal.

  63. razia says:
    December 6th, 2009 11:24 pm

    when are we going to learn not to trust what the americans say. obama is playing to all sides now, when the time comes, Imperceptibly, his tune will change. he has done that about iraq, about guantnamo bay and even domestic policies. success in iraq is an illusion, ask people who manage to still live there.

    once they go in they stay. there are close to 800 declared bases in more than 130 countries. why would they be building 800 billion dollar embassy and keep 1000 marines in Pakistan. covertly they are already there (go see in tarbela) and plan to stay in the area for a long time to come.

  64. qzy says:
    December 7th, 2009 1:58 am

    Why do so many Pakistanis dislike America ?

  65. Sakib Ahmad says:
    December 7th, 2009 6:59 am

    I have already posted a comment here. However, you will find a fuller version in my blog. I dare you to read it!

    http://sakibahmad.blogspot.com/2009/12/single-issue-warriors.html

  66. lida says:
    December 7th, 2009 10:31 am

    Thats Zia’s Mullaism for you.
    One posting(razia) said US is building a 800 billion dollars embassy in pakistan. How ignorant of her. Please do your math and stop throwing dumb info.. out there to confuse the confused.

    Please send all mullah supporters to waziristan. Air drop them or whatever is required. Time has come to support securalism in Pakistan and keep Mosque and State separate.

    I used to hate Ataturk but now I really admire him because you can’t debate Mullahs bent on going to Jannat on our backs.
    We are going through our renaissance ..end of story.
    it takes 1600 hundred years for all religions.

  67. Sunay says:
    December 7th, 2009 11:07 am

    I have an idea. Let both India and Pakistan donate a portion of their desert borderzone to carve out a new nation: Fundistan! We in India will corral as many of our trident-waving orange-clad cranks as possible and release them into their new land, with a year’s supply of food and water. Pakistan can gather up their jihadologists and do the same. It will be a historic moment, undoing partition in a small way! The world can watch as the new nation resolves its internal dissent only the way Fundistanis can…

    Should it be walled off on all sides? Hmmm… probably.

  68. Nadeem Ahsan says:
    December 7th, 2009 12:30 pm

    Pakistanis cry. Pakistanis die. Pakistanis weep. Pakistanis beg. Pakistanis plead. Pakistanis will do everything to stop this bloodshed. Let us stop this mayhem. Let us stop this mindless violence. When will it stop? When will the West stop putting more pressure on Pakistan? When will they show more sympathy?

  69. Riaz Haq says:
    December 7th, 2009 1:49 pm

    KC Verma was appointed earlier this year as the new head of RAW, regarded as one of the top intelligence agencies along with Mossad, ISI, SVR, MI6, and the CIA. This choice appears to have been made at the suggestion of intelligence hawks like B. Raman to appoint an outsider, in spite of significant resistance from within the agency. Mr. Verma has been tasked with rapidly building strong covert ops capabilities within RAW. It is not a coincidence that the terrorist attacks in Pakistan have dramatically increased since Verma took the reins of RAW.

    Indians have demonstrated that they have the strong motives and the means to hurt Pakistan. They have established a powerful presence in Afghanistan along the border with Pakistan and deployed significant resources to carry out a very violent covert war inside Pakistan, and they appear to have now found the opportunity among the willing allies in the Pakistani Taliban faction in Mehsud tribe.

    http://www.riazhaq.com/2009/10/taliban-or-raw-liban.html

  70. Sridhar says:
    December 7th, 2009 3:37 pm

    First, my deep sympathies with all those killed and injured in Peshawar, Lahore and elsewhere. Only those devoid of any humanity would so indiscriminately target innocent people.

    On a different note, it is shocking to see the extent to which there is belief amongst educated, thinking Pakistanis for various conspiracy theories peddled out by such loonies as Zaid Hamid or Ahmed Quraishi.

    So, India and the US are formenting these attacks, according to them. How? They abandon their Northern Alliance allies. Somehow reach out to the Taliban, who have been their sworn enemies for years. Somehow manage to influence them, despite the fact that the Taliban (and other jihadists) were essentially an ISI operation until November 2001 (and according to most observers, even after that to some degree). They manage to establish supply routes through hostile territory. Any sane person can see the absurdity of these claims!

    Yes, there are a few more consulates in Afghanistan than before the Taliban took control of Afghanistan. One in Jalalabad, one in Herat, another in Kandahar and one in Mazar. There are four Indian consulates in total in Afghanistan in addition to the embassy in Kabul.

    But there are non-security reasons to maintain consulates in these places. India is one of the largest donors to Afghanistan – 100% of which money is going for development purposes. A vital road has been built by India allowing for diversification of supply routes into Kabul. The power supplied to Kabul comes through transmission lines, substations etc. built by India. The Afghan parliament building is being built by India. Afghanistan has a school feeding program where all children in schools across the country get high-protein biscuits every day as nutritional supplements. 100% of those biscuits are donated by India. The main hospital in Kabul has been rebuilt by India and is manned by Indian doctors and nurses. A dam is being built in Herat to improve irrigation facilities there. The telecommunication backbone linking Kabul with all the provinces is being built by India, using Indian engineers. The national television network, with a main center in Kabul and centers in each of the provincial capitals is being rebuilt by India. Schools are being built across Afghanistan by India. The list can go on.

    Why do I mention these well-known facts? Because it demonstrates that there are a variety of Indian-funded development projects underway across Afghanistan, most of which have Indian personnel – engineers, doctors, educators, technical personnel, etc. These people are deployed in cities across Afghanistan and are operating in great peril. Indian engineers and other personnel have been kidnapped and killed in the past – so the peril is not hypothetical alone. Their protection and well-being is the responsibility of the Indian Government, which is sending them (most of them civilian Government employees and people working for private companies) in harm’s way. The consulates are vitally necessary for this purpose. Add to that the fact that for Afghans, the destination for any advanced medical treatment is India. These Afghans need consular services.

    Are there also intelligence personnel in these consulates? Absolutely. Firstly because these are high risk postings, any Government is more likely to send people who are trained to operate in these circumstances and protect themselves and their regular civil-service colleagues. Second, there are important intelligence functions in Afghanistan that are legitimately needed for India’s security. There are several terrorist organizations targeting India and many have close links to organizations operating in Afghanistan. Many of them have over the years operated training camps in Afghanistan. Gathering intelligence about them is a vital security need.

    There is neither the capability nor the willingness in India to use the Taliban to target Pakistan. Destabilization of Pakistan adversely affects India’s security. It makes absolutely no sense from India’s point of view to strengthen the Taliban. Even if due to some madness there were to be an order from the political leadership to the intelligence services to do this, there is no capability to do it. It is beyond absurd to suggest that somehow India can control the Taliban, the TTP and other jihadist organizations, all of which consider India to be their sworn enemies and which have had varying degrees of cooperation, interaction and support from Pakistan’s intelligence agencies for decades.

    The more plausible explanation, for anybody who is willing to use their brains, is that the Pakistan Army has lost control over some parts of its jihadist enterprise. And that the unwillingness of the Pakistan Army to cut its strings with other elements of the jihad factory (the LeT, the Haqqanis etc. who it sees as tools in its strategic calculus) only makes it harder to regain a measure of control over the situation. Until the Pakistan Army decides that jihad (which is actually in its official motto) will only end up destroying Pakistan from inside, there is no solution to this problem. People will continue to die. And the loonies across the Pakistan media will continue to cook up absurd conspiracy theories.

  71. Aamir Ali says:
    December 7th, 2009 4:05 pm

    Sunay’s recommendation is a breath of fresh air. Perhaps Siachen can be starting point for this “Fundostan” lol.

    I would like some journalism/info beyond just blasts and claims/blames for blasts. Where are these terrorists based right now that they are targeting Peshawar/northern cities ? The Taliban resistance in South Waziristan has been light and most seem to have run away……where did they run to ? Where is the Taliban supremo Hakeemullah Mehsud right now ?

  72. Sakib Ahmad says:
    December 7th, 2009 5:04 pm

    Hakeemullah Mehsud is thought to have been whisked away to Afghanistan by his American protectors playing a double game with Pakistan – see http://sakibahmad.blogspot.com/2009/11/pakistans-pakistani-friends.html).

    The strategy being followed by Hakeemullah’s followers appears to be to avoid a head-on confrontation with the Pak Army and to adopt guerrilla tactics. His brainwashed followers are happily acting as walking bombs controlled by CIA agents and Blackwater/Xe Worldwide contractors to wreak havoc in Pakistan’s cities. The idea is to force the Pakistan Army up into North Waziristan and to fight America’s dirty war there, taking on the Afghan Taliban.

    The corrupt and foolhardy Pakistani elite continues living in cloud cuckoo land, proclaiming the Americans and Indians as their friends and protectors! Pakistan today is more weird than Alice’s Wonderland.

  73. Jaydev says:
    December 7th, 2009 11:54 pm

    @Riaz Haq

    Who said ISI is one of the best intel agencies???
    Purpose of intel agencies is to gather proper intel..they are not judge best by counting the number bomb blasts or suicide attacks they are capable of..
    For your info..stratfor has termed IB(India) as the top 5 intel agencies in the world..Best intel agencies in the world are Israelis,MI6,FSB,Germans and French..

  74. Tauseef says:
    December 8th, 2009 1:46 pm

    The Taliban seem to take great joy in killing Muslims. They do so all the time in both Pakistan and Afghanistan. Have you noticed how they kill only Muslims in both countries!!!

  75. John Woodford says:
    December 8th, 2009 1:59 pm

    This was the voice of ignorance and fanaticism, but not necessarily of hatred. He expressed hatred toward no one. What he showed was lack of sympathy and empathy with those defined as just targets by the zealots he follows. The best way to counter his “teachers” is to find and fix the conditions of life that render young people like him so vulnerable to zealots.

  76. razia says:
    December 8th, 2009 2:29 pm

    lida says:
    December 7th, 2009 10:31 am

    One posting(razia) said US is building a 800 billion dollars embassy in pakistan. How ignorant of her. Please do your math and stop throwing dumb info.. out there to confuse the confused.

    lida, could you please elaborate! thank you

  77. Iftikhar says:
    April 4th, 2011 6:21 pm

    We have maligned our images ourselves. We need to rebuild it now. Present set of so called leaders are only selfish and corrupt with no interest in common man problems. Lets rise and solve our problems ourselves:

    http://ihaveadream-pakistan.blogspot.com/p/land-reforms.html



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