Karachi Burning: Clashes, Violence, Firing, Deaths

Posted on May 12, 2007
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Pictures on the television show Karachi burning. The city is at war. Morchas everywhere. Clashes, violence, firing, deaths.






The Chief Justice is holed up at the airport and the streets are ruled by mobs. Aaj TV is being fired at and Talat Hussain reports that the police and rangers are unable to get their to help because the roads are blocked (to stop the Chief Justice). Of course, these road blocks have not stopped the killers who are firing at the TV station. As of now 15 are reported dead. Over 100 seriously injured. Hospitals in Karachi have declared an emergency. The Prime Minister has called an emergency meeting of his own to respond to what the government is calling a ‘security situation’ but which sounds, smells, looks and feels like the beginning of a war on the streets of Karachi. Flights in and out of the city are stalled. Train traffic is stopped. The city seems to have descended back to its darkest days of street violence.

Meanwhile, the petty blame game continues. But things are changing too fast for one to analyze them. But one thing is certain. Things have gone out of control. Totally out of control. Totally out of everyone’s control. It is a sad sad day for all of us.

I wish I had something more profound to say. All I can hink of right now is what someone wrote on our comments section recently: Khuda Khair Karray!

(Picture credits BBC and The News and pictorial story at Bilal Zuberi’s blog; great blog coverage at Karachi Metroblog).

262 Comments on “Karachi Burning: Clashes, Violence, Firing, Deaths”

  1. Roshan says:
    May 12th, 2007 6:37 am

    Its sad!
    Every time you refresh the news page the death toll increases. Its tragic !!

  2. Ejaz Asi says:
    May 12th, 2007 6:43 am

    While I didn’t hope more sensible reaction from the current regime on the issue of security what I am truly appalled is by the complacency (or dheet pan) of Karachiites and their utterly irrational refusal to accept change in their lives by allowing a truly ignorant and goddamn vagabond aka Altaf hussain’s ghundas roam at their will and damage the very fabric of social, civic and economic lives of this city which boasts the highest generating revenue compared with the whole country.

    I am saddened by the realization of Karachiites’ dilemma: Urdu speaking have no other voice but Altaf Hussain so let’s stick to him (however bad he might be).

    As for the police and government, it was predictable and shameful behavior nonetheless. However, had there been no friggin’ MQM, the city could have been more at peace. I wonder despite the many great things about this city, what is the average IQ of an average Karachiite. I mean, for god’s sake, this is your very own friggin’ city. Governments will come, and governments will fall. But what legacy as a civil society do WE leave behind us?

    The moral fibre of this society has weakened to such a state that I could have no possible hope from any area but from those who remain silent and yet are capable of a lot more than what they think of themselves.

  3. observer says:
    May 12th, 2007 6:58 am

    It is really sad to see Karachi in flames. It reminds me a saying that ‘when Rome was burning Nero was plying his flute’. Same situation applies to Karachi. At present Karachi is burning and soon you will see another Nero will start his address on the telephone to its peaceful workers who are holding a rally with full support of the Government in which his party is ruling the roost.

    While on the other hand, MQM has used Government agencies to block all the roads leading to the airport and Sindh High Court. The Chief Justice is stranded at the airport and Sindh Home Secretary has the audacity to tell the Chief Justice to return to Islamabad.

    MQM has been nurtured by Musharraf for last 7 years and its other face is not hidden from the public. There is no word like ‘tolerance’ in their dictionary. Fuehrer will soon be uttering his words of wisdom on the telephone from his cushy home in London.

    The situation is reminiscent of 90′s when the then Governemnt, which was their ally, had to act against their violent activities.

    The times have changed. Those days are gone when MQM used to coerce print media and compel them to toe their line but now the electronic media can not hide live pictures and unless they are taken out of air the truth will continue to reach the public.

    So Mr Fuehrer you can not continue to hide your other face and throw dust in the eyes of the people. Beware Adil Najam, Geo TV and ARYOne world TV are around.People do not have to rely on foreign media now.

  4. observer says:
    May 12th, 2007 7:11 am

    This refers to Aijaz Wasi’s post. There are many people who are sad about the situation in Karachi.

    Musharraf relies support of MQM to keep PPP out of the Government in Sindh. MQM will never change. Its leadership will never be content. I agree with Aijaz that people of Karachi, if they want to stay with Altaf, they can do but it must be mentioned here that Karachi does not belong to the followers of MQM but it has indigenous sindhis, and many other communities. Let them stick to their leader but for God sake they should not take law into their hands and they should let others live.

  5. observer says:
    May 12th, 2007 7:32 am

    Sorry I should write Ejaz not Aijaz.

  6. A Khan says:
    May 12th, 2007 7:37 am

    As a Karachiite I can report to you that Musharraf has ceased to be president of Pakistan but has instead chosen to be president of MQM. The blatant way in which MQM activists have unleashed a reign of terror on the city is sick. In no other city of Pakistan were the rallies in support of the Chief Justice attacked. However MQM has proved that they are a terrorist organization and not a political one.

  7. Adnan Siddiqi says:
    May 12th, 2007 7:38 am

    observer,being an ex MQM supporter and had some “relationship” with MQM’s ex political figures, I can tell you that serious MQM supporters had left them back in 90s. The current MQM is the residue of Urdu speaking as well as entire Pakistan and they are called “MUtahida” now.

    The other thing is NOT every Urdu speaking had joined MQM at that time.Several PPP and IJI members are also urdu speaking people.

    Anyway I am litening altaf now and its hell funny! kia daramay baz insan hay!

  8. Adnan Siddiqi says:
    May 12th, 2007 7:43 am

    OH mY GOD just watch AAJ TV!!

  9. simah says:
    May 12th, 2007 7:59 am

    again,why are all channels not standing together with AAJ.
    again,is this the face of enlightened moderation?
    again,when oh when will we realize that the understanding of Quran is applying it to MYSELF.
    HAVE I STOPPED LYING?
    .the rest will follow.
    time now for SERIOUS tauba and prayer.

  10. A Khan says:
    May 12th, 2007 8:09 am

    Why are the channels showing Altaf Hussain’s speech? The person responsible for all this carnage and mayhem in Karachi. Well I guess perhaps they all have a gun pointed at their heads.

  11. A Khan says:
    May 12th, 2007 8:17 am

    Please all news channels! have mercy on our souls. This psycopathic atheist now has started reciting verses from the Quran. I feel like blowing up my TV.

  12. Neena says:
    May 12th, 2007 8:31 am

    [quote]On AAJ TV they showed people with MQM flag taking aims and firing.[/quote]

    I know MQM is the most powerful party in Karachi but gumnen carrying MQM flags; sounds too fishy. There is something more to it some other party who can benefit fromm all this. Could be JI (second strongest vote bank) or anyone else but surely not MQM. However, I’m not saying they are not responsible for other shooting.

    PS. Thanks to Zia, there are too many guns in Karachi.

  13. Usman says:
    May 12th, 2007 8:33 am

    This all violence is drama by MQM.

  14. A Khan says:
    May 12th, 2007 8:37 am

    It is the MQM who is doing the firing because it is the only party the police can’t take action against, because they control the police. You have MQM gunmen turn away police APCs(Armored Personnel Carriers). If they were people from some other party the police would have shot them. The police no if they kill an MQM terrorist, they can say good bye to their career. Perhaps it is wise to bear in mind that the MQM has killed dozens of police officials who were involved in the operation clean up during Benazir’s term.

  15. Adnan Siddiqi says:
    May 12th, 2007 8:37 am

    [quote post="701"]Why are the channels showing Altaf Hussain’s speech?[/quote]

    jaan pyari hay!

  16. May 12th, 2007 8:37 am

    Dear friends,

    Peer to Peer Television allows one to bypass censorship by governmnet or goodhas. For example, TVUNetworks (http://www.tvunetworks.com) allows you to set up your own live TV “station”, using webcam or camcorder, and distribute it over the internet.

    The more people who tune in to the TV station, the better it gets.

    So you know what you need to do

  17. observer says:
    May 12th, 2007 8:50 am

    What a pathetic Chief Minister of Sindh whom I watched on Geo and who seemed to be unruffled by the situation in Karachi. This man is supposed to be the Chief Executive of the provice but real power lies with Ishrat Ibad who is the Governor of the province and who is supposed to represent the federal government and is supposed to be titular head of the province.

    The MQM thrives on violence. The history is replete with its violent activities in the past.
    Imagine MQM’s supremo is living in London and has an ‘International Secretariat’. Who is funding him his activities here?

    Adnan, you must be knowing better than anyone else as you have been an insider and you would agree that MQM Supremo is a megalomaniac and I suspect he has some sort of phychiatric disorder.

    A Khan, I can understand your frustration when you are forced to show an unlimited coverage to the Fuehrer who can make their lives miserable if they do not show him on the TV. I am sure the time will come these channels will gather courage to stand up against him.

  18. observer says:
    May 12th, 2007 9:01 am

    Ebad seeks army control in Karachi, demands CJ’s return to Islamabad

    Updated at 1610 PST

    KARACHI: Governor Sindh Dr. Ishrat-ul-Ebad has asked the federal government to send army in Karachi to control the violence, which erupted on Saturday claiming at least 15 lives and left scores injured.

    Ishrat-ul-Ebad has also called upon federal government that Chief Justice of Pakistan Justice Iftikhar Chaudhry should be asked to go back to Islamabad keeping in very tense situation in Karachi.

    The federal government has started consideration over Ebad’s request for seeking army control in Karachi.

    http://thenews.jang.com.pk/updates.asp?id=22323

  19. observer says:
    May 12th, 2007 9:03 am

    Ebad was a wanted man for his alleged terrorist activities during 90′s and was living in London in exile. Musharraf wanted MQM to be its partner so as keep PPP out of the government offered governorship to the MQM.

  20. observer says:
    May 12th, 2007 9:06 am

    simah, can you please tell us what crime Aaj TV did to invite wrath of ‘peaceful’ MQM? I am sorry we have no Aaj TV here in the UK.

    I agree with you all other TV channels should support its sister channel and expose them to the world the responsible perpetrators.

  21. Adnan Siddiqi says:
    May 12th, 2007 9:09 am

    Obeserver, actually MQM’s declined started from the day when Azeem Tariq was killed by Altaf and several others were also killed because they had seen the real face of Altaf and his dictatorship

    Even the current Minister Dr.Amir Liaquat was seriously threatened by MQM when Mush tried to bring him aginsT altaf. The walls of karachi were chalked by “SIRF ALtaf” or “only Altaf”, to give message that Either follow Altaf or face the heat.

    After listening Farooq Sattar and others MQM officials, it’s quite clear tht MQM is in self destruction phase. As it;s said “Khhuda k laathe beawaz”- Mush’s own people are being reason of his destruction. Good going.

  22. izaz haque says:
    May 12th, 2007 9:10 am

    What has been a movement for secular democracy seems to have been hijacked into an ethno-political battle. With Mush playing his MQM card, wither talks with the PPP? Bottom line: Mush’s days seem numbered and so do Karachi’s.

  23. observer says:
    May 12th, 2007 9:24 am

    Mush is not a visionary. He is a jackboot whose mentality is akin to MQM supremo and both of them think of their interest. Mush’s support to the fuehrer will cost not only dear to him but Altaf as well. Perhaps these are defining moments not only for Sindh province but for whole Pakistan. MQM can not go on applying brute force against those who oppose them.

    I was disgusted to hear Altaf reciting verses of holy Quran. Isn’t it travesty of Islam? It is an example of a hypocrite and Allah will definitely throw those in hell who are hypoctites.

  24. Ibrahim says:
    May 12th, 2007 9:36 am

    Salamalikum,

    I was born and raised in ’80s/’90s in Karachi in 100% “MQM area” to muhajireen parents, and I say today that MQM is responsible for this mess. They are the biggest enemy of religion, of anybody who opposes them and the biggest thugs that roam this city.

    Previously on ATP comments, I’ve tried to explain that MQM is no more worst than all the other political parties and that although I never condone MQM‘s any activity, “tali dunno hatoN say bajti hay” should be kept in mind while talking about MQM. And, in some sense those comments might seem like defending MQM although it wasn‘t. But, after today and after looking at how blatantly they have thrashed Karachi and after realizing that such violence didn’t occur in other Pakistani city where CJP went, I change my view: They are worst than any other political party. They have blood of more innocents on their hands than any other party. Allah’s curse be on those thugs who kill and destroy property.

    It’s high time for people of Karachi, especially the muhajireen, to completely remove their support for MQM. May Allah destroy MQM and protect the people of Karachi from any sort of retribution, ameen.

  25. Adnan Siddiqi says:
    May 12th, 2007 9:51 am

    Problem is that we are not united.While AAJ TV/Business Recorder Building and surrounding building were literally hijacked by these goons, other channels were NOT even giving proper coverage to AAJ’s incident. Normally I have seen that One channel starts telecasting the coverage of other channels to cover the things which they can’t cover. GEO and ARY should have shown some dignity to telecast AAJ telecast on their TV so that viewers of others channels could get the truth but since these channels are always ready to eat each other, they kept showing off their stengthts by telecasting their own programs.

    I must salute AAJ and Talat again. The way they are using candid cams is hell horrible and difficult. They have literally put their lives at risk. Watching AAJ shows that I am watching Beirut.

    Abrar, thanks for telling about this technology. Hope someone w0uld like to use to capture the moments via Webcams or Mobile cams.

  26. Adnan Siddiqi says:
    May 12th, 2007 9:57 am

    yes ibrahim, at the end of the day, it;s KARACHI who is sending negative image to outerworld. Karachi is not different than Delhi.


    Karachi jo ek shahar tha aalam-e-intikhab
    Hum rahne waale hain usi ujray dayar ke

  27. Adnan Siddiqi says:
    May 12th, 2007 10:03 am

    AAJ TV reports that Atleast 300 DANDAA BARDAR people are around AAJ TV building and enar Guru Mandir and 50 police cops. It means one _efficient_ jawan can handle 6 people single handedly. MQM’s Danda Bardar Enlightened and Moderated shariat is in action!

  28. May 12th, 2007 10:11 am

    Can any body post some pictures here please, even if they are off the TV coverage?
    I am told I have family inside the Aaj TV station. I am quite worried. Having known MQM close enough, I know that when they decide to kill, its hard to stop them.

  29. Nasir says:
    May 12th, 2007 10:15 am

    کراچی: Û

  30. Nasir says:
    May 12th, 2007 10:16 am

    Bilal check BBC Urdu website for some pics.

  31. May 12th, 2007 10:22 am

    Safety and peace for the innocent people. Ameen.
    Bilal, hope your family is safe.

  32. Jim Khan says:
    May 12th, 2007 10:34 am

    So so tragic…
    Karachi would have been a different city if MQM was not born and it didn’t hijack our great city.

  33. Jim Khan says:
    May 12th, 2007 10:36 am

    And is there any way to watch Aaj or Geo? I’m outside Pakistan… Thanks!

  34. Ibrahim says:
    May 12th, 2007 10:37 am

    Salamalikum,

    Yes, I agree with Adnan. MQM is not what it used to be although it always had a thug culture (Altaf, Afaq Ahmed, Faheem Cammondo, etc). Even in Azizabad (and I’ve made sure before writing here) from the day Azeem Tariq was killed, people had no doubt, no doubt that Altaf had him killed. In fact, I talked to someone who lived in Azizabad and his household was highly involved and he told me that it’s a commonly held notion, a fact that that Altaf had Azeem Tariq killed. And, Azeem Tariq was supposed to be Altaf’s very close and best friend from Karachi University. People say he had Hakeem Saeed killed, but can’t be sure, and he was most definitely involved in the killing of Takbeer’s editor, Mohammad Salahuddin. So, expect any thing from Altaf and his thugs.

  35. observer says:
    May 12th, 2007 10:46 am

    Updated at 1610 PST

  36. Ahmad R. Shahid says:
    May 12th, 2007 10:54 am

    The problem with present day Pakistan is that most of its leaders are in their 50′s (Nawaz Sharif, Benazir Bhutto, Altaf Hussain, Sheikh Rashid, Shaukat Aziz etc.) and 60′s (Musharraf, Shujaat Hussain, Pervaiz Elahi, Khursheed Kasuri etc.). The national scene would totally change once these leaders start leaving the political scene, but that might take another 20 years. Till then just keep your fingers crossed.

  37. bitterTruth says:
    May 12th, 2007 11:04 am

    Aah!

    A governement need not to organize rallies to show power..what the intentions to show your power when clash is most likely..responsibility lies squarely with MQM..everybody knew that but they chose to make Karachi Hell by organizing on the same day..but who cares London is safe where our sacred leader reside.

    I agree with Adnan, many of MQM supporters including myself are no longer with it due to its violent strategy

  38. Lal Salaam says:
    May 12th, 2007 11:13 am

    This is another sad day in our history. But just as the CJ fiasco unmasked Mush and his cohorts, today has unmasked the MQM. I say, let there be a “faisla-kun” jang once and for all, and figure out key Pakistan kiss ka hai! We cannot continue like this. And if there are elections this year, I beg all to get out of their comfort zones and go vote.

  39. Ahmad R. Shahid says:
    May 12th, 2007 11:17 am

    Its good to see the former MQM supporters turning away from it in the wake of its violent politics. Once again it has turned violent, perhaps smelling its own downfall in the wake of the judicial crisis. Apparently its popularity would go further down and a few more of its leaders would have to go into exile.

  40. A Khan says:
    May 12th, 2007 11:21 am

    I completely agree with you Observer.

    The enemies of Allah plan, but Allah is the best of planners.

    The biggest coward this nation has produced is Altaf. He wiles away his time gambling, and getting drunk in London as his party loots and plunders this nation of ours. At the same time Musharraff keeps on saying, “Pakistan comes First.” I think he should start saying “India comes First.” Because we’re really on a suicidal path.
    Its been eight years of Mush and all he does is make sure that the institutions of police and judiciary get even more corrupt as they are systematically gutted of what little independence they had. The result is total break down of law and order. So as they say, “No Justice, No Peace.”

  41. GJ says:
    May 12th, 2007 11:30 am

    I’m sick and tired of MQM using my city for their vile violent purposes.If the opposition parties were mainly responsible for the violence how come there was no violence in lahore and the rest of the country when the chief justice visited?If the opposition parties were responsible for the violence how come there was an MQM rally with that idiot in London holding another telephonic “khitab” and no other party was able to congregate?I’m so sick of all this senseless violence.I sincerely hope this is the end of the MQM era.Wake up all of you who support them!Mustaqil Qaumi Museebat indeed!

  42. Moeen Bhatti says:
    May 12th, 2007 11:30 am

    Pakistanies: Its time for revolution. WAKE UP. Topple Musharaf, hang him. Discard MQM, whose rich leader is sitting in the UK, having a lavish lifestyle(how the heck does he makes so expansive phone calls to address people?)Discard PPP, which has been tested many times. Discard Jamaiat-Islami, whose hipocricy we all have seen during the times of Zia. Discard Nawaz Muslim League, whose leader doesn’t have balls to return. Please wake up!!

  43. Hum says:
    May 12th, 2007 11:33 am

    Imran Khan speaking on AlJazeera English criticising MQM.

  44. May 12th, 2007 11:42 am
  45. Viki.NET® says:
    May 12th, 2007 11:43 am

    Today MQM’s Altaf speech was really a comedy show for me. :)

  46. umar khan says:
    May 12th, 2007 11:59 am

    looks like the Chicken has come home to roost!

    whereas my heart weeps for the innocent people and at the state of affairs, I am not unhappy that the non-muhajirs are tasting the fruits of their elitism and punjabism.

    Funny how when our Pukhtunwa bleeds, no1 weeps but when a few thugs r killed in karachi, the whole of the punjabi establishment gets into action, presidential meeting is called, rangers r sent, crackdown is initiated etc.

    i am no racist, but facts r facts and punjab/punjabis should expect to taste the fruits they have sown elsewhere in the country.

  47. Lal Salaam says:
    May 12th, 2007 12:04 pm

    Umar, please can we avoid going down the ethnic divide at this time. I don’t think most people are thinking along those lines right now. I don’t think the poor ambulance driver who was killed in Karachi today while perfoming his duty, is being described by his ethnicity. So, please…… bus, bahut ho gaya….

  48. Zia says:
    May 12th, 2007 12:11 pm

    No words….no words at all!
    Allah have mercy on my country.

    Umar, I can try to understand your sentiments but all common punjabi, pakhtun, sindhi, baluchi, mohajir are same. It was and is always few people at the top who played this card all the time so people do not point fingers at them. Country bleeds every time no matter who is killed.

  49. Lal Salaam says:
    May 12th, 2007 12:15 pm

    Mr. Bootlicker #3 ShortCut Aziz (one and two being Shuj of Guj and Perv(ert) Elahi, talking live about media freedom on TV while addressing rent-a crowd in Islamabad.

  50. Nasir says:
    May 12th, 2007 12:16 pm

    ميں تو ايم کيو ايم Ú©Ùˆ سے بÛ

  51. Adnan Ahmad says:
    May 12th, 2007 12:18 pm

    Things went wrong in an effort to please the king. MQM wanted to prove that what pervaiz elhahi couldn’t stop in lahore they “will” in karachi. In that effort they shot themselves on their own foot. They should have known this was not an isolated karachi of the 80s and 90s but at the center of the focus with cj in the city and with flood gates of funding opened for development to make it a shining spot of the present govt. I know from the past only mqm is capable of playing by this rule. But by god this was a self-destructive effort. They should have remembered the huge jalsas they arranged for Nawaz Sharif in early 90s in the city, perhaps the biggest he had ever attended anywhere and then what happened to them later on. Politically they should have come out clean as opposed to becoming a party at such a level in this crisis. I think this is the beginning of an end for mqm.

    I am watching the rally from lahore; the [hired] crowd is silent and speakers, the stake holders like ch. shujaat etc., are tentative at best.

    About the issue that made cj a star, the steel mills, according to yesterday’s dawn will be making a profit of about Rs 2bn. That story is worth reading. I am pasting the link below.

    http://dawn.com/2007/05/11/ebr1.htm

  52. Ejaz Asi says:
    May 12th, 2007 12:27 pm

    I second Lal Salaam. Beside to say that an average Balochi or Pashtun IS responsible for all the ignorance and ‘badmashi’ in their respective provinces would be further mockery of their helplessness.

    The fact is that we are poor and ignorant. The harder reality is that we are ashamed to accept that. Even bitter realization would be to admit we are driven by mindless and irrational behavior of our very own being and by external forces (media, politics, civic society in a negative way) and yet, and yet you see everywhere the tantrums of ‘individualism’, ‘freedom of self’, ‘i did it for Altaf bhai’(though the idiot can’t even earn more than Rs.4000 a month.

    For me, though however it boils my blood to see the destruction of our civil society as well (blame Mushi or Altaf but who exactly killed and fired and looted streets?). Today, after a long time, I prayed. And I prayed if there IS a civil war looming on our heads, please God, let it be thrown to us and let us deal with it sooner the better. And let it be the last war of our shattered hopes, aspirations, high esteemed dreams and of our dignity. Let it be the last and let it be passed soon. However the price it may entail, it won’t be bigger than the constant rape of our moral, social and religious values. What worse could it be than to be so poor that you have to sell yourself for Rs. 1500???

  53. Hamza says:
    May 12th, 2007 12:28 pm

    To tell the truth, I’m not surprised that so much violence has occurred. The situation was set up the minute MQM announced that their rally would coincide with the pro-CJP rally. A Geo News report can be found here.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKoP5Ht_HiA

  54. Adnan Ahmad says:
    May 12th, 2007 12:35 pm

    rally from isb.

  55. Hamza says:
    May 12th, 2007 12:38 pm

    Here are some more video clips of the situation in Karachi.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcOpCZpUo4M&NR=1

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GU60WKjNtE

  56. SirKit says:
    May 12th, 2007 12:55 pm

    Regarding the complaints regarding Altaf Hussain, why will not the readers or any effected parties file a case against him in London or atleast a petition to the British government regarding his activities. I wondered the same in the 90′s. He may be untouchable in Karachi, but i doubt that this is the case in Britain.

  57. Adnan Siddiqi says:
    May 12th, 2007 1:24 pm

    Wiki.Net: its always fun to hear Altaf. Can somone upload his speech? may be saad?

    @Ibrahim:speakinf of Afaaq, MQM haqeeqi recently got splitted and Afaq and Amir khan are against each other now. Today MQM Haqeeqi led by Amir Khan[I think] also was with CJ and the clash near natha khan seems to be between 2 factions of MQM.

    the most funniest thing was watching dictator standing behind bullet proof and saying “Mey darta nai, boht jangain lari hain” and called coward to CJ supporters[politcal parties].

    The other funniest thing happened at Karchi Air port when someone people did Naray Bazi against IG Sind and police tried to rescude him. When journalists tried to approach him then he literally ran away. I am sure it would be the funniest thing to watch.

    The other funny thing was listening Shaikh Rasheed. Shaikh Rasheed got jazbati enough and said ‘amerika iraq gaya,hum ne saath nai dia aur aj wo zaleel horaha hay’ and after few moments he siad ,’Mere moo se boht se baatain nikal jati hain jis se shokat aziz sahab naraz hotay hain’. The guys got afraid k kahin America unka band na baja day :-)

    Maybe you guys know or not but one of ARY journalist asif Ch has also been deported from Karachi along with Cheif’s lawyers.

  58. Adnan Siddiqi says:
    May 12th, 2007 1:28 pm

    OH , the other funniest thing of live coverage of ISB rally. ARY showed live that Pervaiz Elahi was adressing while people were doing “Hullar Bazi” by playing Band bajays. When ary coresspondent asked one of govt worker that why people are not paying attention? he said “Ye Kush hain aur Muhabbat ka izhar karrahe hain” :-). Other channels reported that several buses who came from Gujrat and Jehlun turned towards Margala Hills rather coming to venue. That is, they came on govt’s expenditure and were cashing the moments rather wasting in Jalsa.

  59. Nasir says:
    May 12th, 2007 1:30 pm

    خدا Ú©ÛŒ قسم مجھے اپنے اردو اسپکنگ ھونے پر شرمندگی Û

  60. Adnan Siddiqi says:
    May 12th, 2007 1:33 pm

    sorry for spaming but jus heard that Chief has returned to Islamabad and airport has been sealed. lawywers ain’t being allowed to get into Airport. Tension at ISB Airport.

  61. Lal Salaam says:
    May 12th, 2007 1:56 pm

    latest: CJ lands at Isbd. Tons of lawyers at airport..and not in a happy mood either….
    Remember, today was the anniversary of the War of Independence in 1857.

  62. Adnan Siddiqi says:
    May 12th, 2007 2:15 pm

    @LS: maybe today is the day of starting another War of Independence?

  63. zakoota says:
    May 12th, 2007 2:31 pm

    Altaf Hussain and his mafia known as MQM is totally responsible for this choas. He should be be hanged in public along with the top leadership of this mafia. Second person behind this particular is mess is ofcourse Musharaf, although I believe that Musharaf gave him the permission to stage all this.

    Its sad infact its worth crying.

  64. umar khan says:
    May 12th, 2007 1:07 pm

    [quote comment="46954"]Umar, please can we avoid going down the ethnic divide at this time. I don’t think most people are thinking along those lines right now. I don’t think the poor ambulance driver who was killed in Karachi today while perfoming his duty, is being described by his ethnicity. So, please…… bus, bahut ho gaya….[/quote]
    avoiding the ethnic dimension to the conflict is equivalent to an ostrich shutting its eyes.

    its clear mqm is flexing its muscles and federal govt cant do jack bcoz its a marriage of convenience. quid pro quo i.e. let the mqm do its badmashis and let the rest of pakistan be treated like slaves by punjab, so long as altaf bhai’s jurisdiction is not disturbed, all is good.

    ofcourse i am all for pakistan but until n unless the issue of provincial autonomy is not solved, u ll carry on seeing such disasterous days.

    give sindh its autonomy and watch how the muhajirs then desert MQM and freely take part in other parties. MQM = alliance against punjabism.

  65. umar khan says:
    May 12th, 2007 1:08 pm

    2 wrongs dont make a right i.e.

    army/mullas/punjabism as much to blame as MQM!

  66. Nasir says:
    May 12th, 2007 2:57 pm

    دوسری طرÙ

  67. Ahmad R. Shahid says:
    May 12th, 2007 3:00 pm

    Now Mush is blaming those who “politicized” the reference issue. How can a political issue be “politicized” is beyond me. But the hordes of people who have learned to hate politicians would start repeating what Mush is saying.

  68. Nasir says:
    May 12th, 2007 3:01 pm

    Zakoota, actually Altaf Hussain and MQM are big hearted people. You are wrongly blaming them for just one incident. Actually I myself know several MQM guys whop are quite peaceful. So please don’t blame everyone for just a few.

    :)

  69. Zia says:
    May 12th, 2007 3:03 pm

    I am looking at images on Bilal’s site and a famous verse echoes in my mind ” mein kis kay haath mein apna lahoo talaash karoon”

  70. Darwaish says:
    May 12th, 2007 3:05 pm

    Adnan, I really enjoyed the last few comments you made. I actually came here to post a comment about Mush hiding behind bullet proof glass and saying ‘mein darta nahin hoon’ :). I have never seen him so afraid. Even Indian Primie Ministers have not demonstrated such cowardness in their past speeches in Sri Nagar. Its Islamabad, your capital, for heavens sake!

    Altaf Hussain is a real darbari maskhara and i thought he really entertained his followers by pronouncing CJ’s name during his speech. I wish someone can upload the audio of his speech. I like to believe that hopefully, this is the beginning of an end but I also feel that unless people of Karachi come out on streets and show these MQM gundas that they are not afraid anymore. They have long used used fear to control Karachi and unless people realise that and do something about it, things wont change. I can’t see that happening in next few years atleast.

    Like many others, I also felt so depressed when organized gangs were killing people on streets of Karachi and Police and Rangers were just watching. It was also disgusting to hear when Talat Hussain called that piece of $h!t Mohammad Ali Ghalat Biyani and told him that gangs are outside their office and there is a heavy fight going on and please send police and rangers to protect them and residents of nearby buildings. Durrani in reply said that Ji Ye Buhat Afsoosnaak hai, hum iski mukamal inquiry karaye ge.. Late in the evening I heard the news that rangers have finally made it there.

    I can totally relate to what Ejaz said in his comment. I prayed if there IS a civil war looming on our heads, please God, let it be thrown to us and let us deal with it sooner the better. And let it be the last war of our shattered hopes, aspirations, high esteemed dreams and of our dignity. Let it be the last and let it be passed soon.

    Ameen

  71. Parvez says:
    May 12th, 2007 3:11 pm

    The game is so obvious for all to see. MQM violence is to provide pretext for Mushy to declare state of emergency and suppress all opposition. What are you going to do?

  72. Nasir says:
    May 12th, 2007 3:13 pm

    ايک پاکستانی کوآج کراچی ميں بÛ

  73. Mutahir says:
    May 12th, 2007 3:34 pm

    I pray and hope that a JUST Government erases all the political parties especially which are led and fuelled by students all over karachi. MQM has infected karachi (the most vibrant city of Pakistan) like AIDS. May ALLAH unite all the Pakistani’s as one Nation not as people with different fake identities. All of these leaders especially Altaf Hussain, Pervaiz Musharaf may be held responsible for their inhuman actions against karachites.

    Altaf Hussain, is still being funded by foolish people living all over pakistan and he is living in england…

    I request the editorial Staff at ATP that they may form some kind of petition and forward it to all websites/blogs/newspapers so that people can sign to show that we don’t want Altaf Hussain and MQM in Pakistan.

    May ALLAH give SABAR to the families of victims – AMEN

    Mutahir

  74. Abdullah says:
    May 12th, 2007 3:40 pm
  75. Awais Khan says:
    May 12th, 2007 3:48 pm

    I know people are quite rightly blaming MQM but please do not overlook the powers who urged them to spring into action. Their should be no doubt that Musharraf, having failed to restrain the CJ by any other means , asked Altaf to ‘fix’ the situation by putting an end to these High court bar receptions and the allied political shows. He is openly saying that these rallies will no longer be tolerated. MQM were allowed to take TV stations off air last week, a totally unlawful step that would be totally unthinkable in any civilised society.

    The casualties being reported are, 11 Pathans, 9 Punjabis and 9 Muhajirs. By playing the MQM card to fix the movement, Musharraf has now turned this into an ethnic issue. I hope Pakistan Army’s rank and file have noted this. A seving army chief should not be allowed to burn the ethnic fibre of the country in order to perpetuate his own rule.

  76. Asad says:
    May 12th, 2007 4:01 pm

    It saddens me to see this. May Allah grant the victims of this act of terrorism (by MQM and other parties) a place in Janaat. Ameen.

  77. Nasir says:
    May 12th, 2007 4:03 pm

    متحدÛ

  78. Aqil Sajjad says:
    May 12th, 2007 4:05 pm

    What is hard to understand, for a non-Karachiite like myself, is why this Mutahida Bhatta movement, euphemistically known as MQM, has continued to have so much support in Karachi despite all its record of badmashi?
    Can any Karachiite explain?

  79. cynic says:
    May 12th, 2007 4:06 pm

    TV channels showed that the security agencies like police and rangers did nothing to stop the carnage in karachi. we are in an era where security agencies of the country have become a security risk for the people. remember bajaur, waziristan, baluchistan and the missing people from all over the country. so MQM was a fascist setup from the very start but now it is not only the MQM, it is the whole establishment that has developed terrorist proclivities.
    SHAME ON YOU MUSHARRAF.

  80. Ahmad R. Shahid says:
    May 12th, 2007 4:23 pm

    [quote comment="46990"]TV channels showed that the security agencies like police and rangers did nothing to stop the carnage in karachi. we are in an era where security agencies of the country have become a security risk for the people. remember bajaur, waziristan, baluchistan and the missing people from all over the country. so MQM was a fascist setup from the very start but now it is not only the MQM, it is the whole establishment that has developed terrorist proclivities.
    SHAME ON YOU MUSHARRAF.[/quote]

    The question is what is the solution? The Army has become part of the problem rather than the solution. But in my view the problem is Pakistan’s high population growth rate. Hordes of young un-employed go for the Army, Rangers, Police and if can’t find a place in any of these, or abhor their restrictive life, resort for mafias and gangs. These gangs and mafias are just like economic concerns. When their growth rates go down, they go for consolidations, and that is when the organizations like MQM come into being. Its a consolidated self of a large number of small scale gangs and mafias. But after growing into a political party it became a different entity. Now it even entices the likes of Meera and Salma Agha into its folds. The tricks that any large business concern would do. In short its nothing more than the evolution of economics in Karachi, that took on the ethnic and linguistic color.

  81. May 12th, 2007 4:27 pm

    Karachi is a city of paradoxes, a city with a troubled history and decades of deprived resources. I cannot speak for the millions who continue to support MQM, but it is not that difficult to see how the city has still not recovered its political consciousness from the days of Ayub Khan when its political honesty was in many ways crushed by the goons. Since then it has merely been a tamaasha, where people vote not for the political issues but for the slogans. Politicians in Karachi, I feel, don’t speak any more about what they stand for. Instead, they use scare tactics to promote what they are against – be it a particular form of religion or ethnicity…

    Today when I called up friends and family in Karachi I heard something surprising. They were lued to their TV screens watching AAJ and GEO TV. They all knew that MQM was behind much of the mess, the killings, and the fear that gripped AAJ TV employees as they stood ground unprotected by any security forces – but they still could not bring themselves to putting all blame on this organized crime mafia now hiding under the guise of a political organization, that single handedly tried to hijack the city for a day. Instead, I heard them complaining about the CJ and why he put the people of Karachi at risk by coming here at all. Why not postpone by one day and let MQM’s plans fall apart? I heard them say it was not Karachi that got hijacked, but the CJ who has himself been hijacked by those looking to regain power by creating anarchy in the society. They questioned how and why did the CJ supporters carry weapons and shoot back if all they wanted was a peaceful rally?

    Gosh…it is indeed reminding of what I heard about the civil war in Beirut. One bullet is fired and then nobody knows who is on whose side. Every political confrontation devolves into a gang-fight and people wanting a political change stay at home to watch the massacre in their city. In all honesty, ask how many shareef Karachiites actually went outside to support one party or the other? Our sharaafat stayed at home, in purdah.

  82. Abdullah says:
    May 12th, 2007 4:28 pm
  83. Kashif says:
    May 12th, 2007 4:29 pm

    The solution is to dissolve the provincial government, ASAP.

  84. Zia says:
    May 12th, 2007 4:36 pm

    Does Pakistan history has a greater than normal tendency to repeat itself??

    “In October 1968, during lavish celebrations to commemorate the ten years of dictatorship as a ‘decade of development’, students in Rawalpindi demanded the restoration of democracy; soon Student Action Committees had spread across the country. The state responded with its usual brutality. There were mass arrests and orders to ‘kill rioters’. Several students died during the first few weeks. In the two months that followed workers, lawyers, small shopkeepers, prostitutes and government clerks joined the protests. Stray dogs with ‘Ayub’ painted on their backs became a special target for armed cops. In March 1969 Ayub passed control of the country to the whisky-soaked General Yahya Khan.”

    Taken from “The General in his Labyrinth” by Tariq Ali

  85. May 12th, 2007 5:10 pm

    [quote comment="46992"]In all honesty, ask how many shareef Karachiites actually went outside to support one party or the other? Our sharaafat stayed at home, in purdah.[/quote]

    Honestly, I still can’t say for sure which side i am on.
    MQM massacred us today, Musharraf gave no heed to humanity in Karachi today (still isn’t declaring a state of emergency).

    THE CJ case is suspicious, he was also badly treated, pulled into custody from his hair. Police stood by, watched. But as someone pointed out, if they had interfered, more bloodshed would have been seen.
    But having said that, Opposition parties are not angels either. We have seen how anti-Bugti groups suddenly became so sympathetic on his death (or murder whatever) that do favor Musharaf’s pov that let the Judiciary decide Ifti’s case. But then again, I am not so sure, Mushy is telling me the truth…

    Pakistan is a lonely place.

  86. Adnan Siddiqi says:
    May 12th, 2007 5:26 pm

    As Asad suggested on KMB, it would be nice if some one like iFAQEER or Doctor Awab who are users of Wikipedia could make an entry about 5/12

  87. bitterTruth says:
    May 12th, 2007 5:27 pm

    From BBC, Government organizing Musical shows when Karachi is burning!! Thank you musharraf !!
    Ú¾ بج کر تیس منٹ، اعجاز Ù…Û

  88. WASIM ARIF says:
    May 12th, 2007 5:31 pm

    The massacre of the innocents in Karachi by the MQM’s goons MUST be the final wake up call to all Pakistanis to rise up and get rid of this vile, sacrilegious Musharaff government. I appeal to all the youth to come out in every village, in every galli, in every corner to bring about Pakistan’s revolution. Please see this link,I hope it motivates us all to rise up in solidarity and rid us of the Musharaff curse. http://youtube.com/watch?v=3sW24FQ1ySo

    Finally I believe all Pakistanis can be served better by a government of national unity with passionate Pakistanis who dont have a lust for power. Greats like Asma Jehangir, Ahmed Faraz Saab, Retd Justice Fakhruddin G Ibrahim & Retd Justice Wajihuddin, Dr Shahid Masood, Julius Salik , Adil Najam, Fatima Bhutto and more with the Chief Justice as Acting President and in charge of conducting free and fair elections (can you imagine the precedent set and moreover how can any opposition party question the results therafter since the CJ is revered by all)

    FEIMANALLAH & PAKISTAN ZINDABAD

  89. Adnan Siddiqi says:
    May 12th, 2007 5:53 pm

    12th May on Wiki

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karachi_Riots

    Forwarded by Awab.

  90. Asad Khan says:
    May 12th, 2007 6:14 pm

    This is what Musharraf had to say. “Do not challenge us. We are not cowards like you, we have the power of the people”. Who is challenging whom. What people power is he talking about? His rationality and sanity is going down by the day. Is he going to live forever? Will he not die one day? Would Pakistan cease to exist if he is not in power. Now that this government has blood on their hands, we know the length to which they are willing to go to stay in power. While I don’t want to comment on the lowlives that we call MQM, we also need to know the other hidden hands behind this power struggle, and who are responsible for taking us to this abyss. It is the Chaudaries of Punjab, who first plotted to keep Musharraf in Uniform post 2007. They know that they will have no political future if Musharraf is not there. They are absolutely fighting for their political life, and need him in place. Pervez Ilahi is the mastermind behind this crisis, and having come this far, he is in no mode to let go at this point. He is now out in the open, talking about filing more references against the CJ and even other High Court judges, to make sure that the Judiciary won’t challenge the government at any stage. All the talk about contitutional nature of the matter is rubbish, and is merely an attempt to hide their agenda. One last thing; there are 2 places on this earth which are out of bounds for the Chief Justice of Pakistan; Karachi and Israel; maybe after this whole episode, the Israelis may let him in, but no not the Karachiites. No KARACHI for him. God save Pakistan.

  91. Ibrahim says:
    May 12th, 2007 6:20 pm

    Salamalikum,

    Don’t call for revolution. Revolution is a greater fitna than what’s going on. People are crying, rightly so, for 33 dead. Wait for revolution protests and you’ll see 33000 dead. And, dying for politics is no badge of honor. Wasim Arif, you named some “good” people. Let’s say they bring about revolution. Then what? The society’s ills will go away? First, change oneself and revolution will come about without having to shed blood. This is the same argument some religious people make about bringing a revolution. It can’t be successful unless the society as a whole changes from within. Was Iranian revolution a success? No, most Iranians hate the government and their lives. Was Taliban revolution successful? No, Afghans might like Taliban’s time today due to more stability, but it was a failure too because people got oppressed because they didn’t share the same ideals that Taliban had. Similarly, you can go for revolution but would it take care of hatred between ethnicities, remove corruption, bring about peace and justice? No, going with the state of Pakistanis today. Revolution is external change and the real change comes from within. Change yourself and that will affect your family, etc. and then the muaashara will be more conducive to a just rule.

  92. WASIM ARIF says:
    May 12th, 2007 7:05 pm

    Ibrahim,

    I agree we should change ourselves, however I cannot agree that revolution is akin to ‘fitna, also let us not equate ourselves with other countries, remember Pakistan was created as the second Madina. So lets all work together to bring that about peacefully, but if the need is so with blood since this is the call of the hour. I say it with a heavy heart and a great deal of trepidation.

    Feimanallah

  93. blue and grey says:
    May 12th, 2007 7:22 pm

    Just got this news and what can I say except that I am just stunned. I am so dismayed. This is just beyond words. I am keeping all Karachiites in my prayers and thoughts.

    Regarding the discussion on revolutions:
    Actually, I think it depends on what one means by revolution. If you are using revolution as a synonym to positive change then of course it is not a fitna and hopefully we can all bring about a revolution. Moreover, for a true positive change to occur it would have to have both the personal and societal level changes. AND such a change does not need to be violent.

    However, if you are using the word revolution to describe upheaval/disturbance, then I’d tend to really agree with Ibrahim. I think that such “revolutions” are merely superficial… And they lead to bloodshed, violence and anarchy.

  94. Aamir Ali says:
    May 12th, 2007 7:37 pm

    Everybody in Pakistan is a hypocrite when it comes to democracy. Absolutely everybody, including Musharraf. I am a former pro-Musharraf fanatic who now clearly sees that he has lost his way.

    About MQM, well it has always been a terrorist party and remains as such.

  95. May 12th, 2007 7:44 pm

    Ibrahim
    yo bro!
    silent revolution all the way!!!!
    live today, fight tomorrow!

  96. Nasir says:
    May 12th, 2007 7:47 pm

    Now that everyone else is hating MQM, MQM needs the General even more. The General now has MQM where he wants.

  97. dsskld says:
    May 12th, 2007 7:52 pm

    Can someone upload aaj tv footage on youtube ?

  98. May 12th, 2007 7:53 pm

    [quote comment="47013"]Now that everyone else is hating MQM, MQM needs the General even more. The General now has MQM where he wants.[/quote]
    very interesting,
    and i guess no more united opposition either.
    Imran Khan and co stranded.

  99. observer says:
    May 12th, 2007 8:43 pm

    So there was dance of death in Karachi. MQM showed its true colours. The habits die hard. It is quite amusing to listen from the leader of MQM that his organisation believes in peace and has never used and will never use violence. Right when he was delivering his comical address, his thugs were busy in pumping bullets on their opponents.

    MQM, with support of Musharraf, was successful in thwarting address of the Chief Justice to Sindh High Court Bar Association.

  100. observer says:
    May 12th, 2007 8:57 pm

    I am posting a news item in the Sunday Telegraph of London about the carnage in Karachi yesterday.

    Pakistan on brink of disaster as Karachi burns
    By Isambard Wilkinson and Massoud Ansari in Karachi, Sunday Telegraph
    Last Updated: 11:37pm BST 12/05/2007

    In pictures: Violence in Karachi
    Chaos gripped the streets of Karachi yesterday as gun battles left at least 31 people dead and hundreds more injured, threatening a complete breakdown of law and order in Pakistan’s largest and most volatile city.

    With plumes of black smoke billowing over the city of 12 million people, there were extraordinary scenes as gunmen on motorbikes pumped bullets into crowds demonstrating against Pakistan’s President Pervez Musharraf, while police stood by and watched.

    Gun battles left at least 31 people dead and hundreds more injured

    In images more reminiscent of Baghdad, bloodstained corpses lay where they had fallen in the streets and bodies piled up in hospital morgues. As the sense of crisis deepened, a crisis meeting between Gen Musharraf and the prime minister, Shaukat Aziz, resolved to send in paramilitary troops to restore order, and to place the army on standby. The men agreed that a state of emergency would be imposed if the first two options failed.

    It was the bloodiest escalation of the two-month long saga which began when the president attempted to sack the country’s chief justice in March. The ensuing challenge by lawyers and opposition parties to Gen Musharraf’s eight-year rule has left the president – a key Western ally in the “war on terror” – desperately clinging to power.

    Opponents believe he had hoped to create a compliant judiciary ahead of elections which he has promised to hold later this year. But what started as a political confrontation has now lit Karachi’s tinderbox of ethnic rivalry.

    Yesterday’s violence erupted as Iftikhar Chaudhry, the suspended chief justice, flew in to Karachi Jinah International Airport to address a rally.

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    Many of the 15,000 police and security forces deployed in the city stood idly by as armed activists from Karachi’s ruling party, Muttahida Qaumi Movement (MQM), a coalition ally of Gen Musharraf, blocked Mr Chaudhry’s exit from the airport and took control of the city’s central district.

    The movement’s leader, Altaf Hussain – who lives in self-imposed exile in London – co-ordinated opposition to Mr Chaudhry’s arrival and addressed crowds gathered on the streets of Karachi in a mobile phone call relayed by loudspeakers.

    He called on supporters to be peaceful but to show whose city it was. Instead, violence reigned.

    Gunmen tore off on motorbikes after brazenly firing AK-47 rifles at opposition supporters. One report described MQM gunmen exchanging gunfire for an hour with activists from the exiled former premier Benazir Bhutto’s Pakistan People’s Party.

    Road blocks, including trucks with deflated tires, prevented most of Mr Chaudhry’s supporters from reaching the airport to greet him. But a few dozen lawyers who reached there on foot chanted, “We are with you. Down with Musharraf.” Dozens of vehicles and petrol pumps were set alight by the angry mobs.

    b Vehicles were set alight as clashes broke out between political activists

    Inside Mr Chaudhry’s intended destination, Sind’s high court, hundreds of lawyers, some of them bloodied after being beaten up by MQM supporters, milled about chanting slogans and receiving news on their mobile phones about the trouble engulfing them. Outside, MQM activists with pistols tucked into their jeans, blocked the entrance.

    Lawyers railed against the government. “This is a shocking attempt by the government to suppress the people,” Iqbal Haider, a human rights lawyer and former senator, told The Sunday Telegraph. “Musharraf is making all sorts of mistakes to save himself from sinking.”

    As fans stirred the humid air, news poured in of unrest spreading to other parts of the country. Convoys of buses, cars and rickshaws festooned with flags of political parties careered through Karachi’s main thoroughfares.

    Tension has been simmering in Karachi for the past week, with rumours swirling round that Mr Musharraf had allowed conflicting rallies to go ahead to create the requisite level of disorder to justify the declaration of an emergency. The prelude to violence was familiar to Karachi, where hundreds of people were killed in ethnic violence in the 1990s.

    Exacerbating the political furore in Karachi over the sacking of Mr Chaudhry is a decades-old and simmering feud between the MQM, a movement supported by the city’s mohajir population who migrated from India at Partition in 1947, and ethnic Pathans, who were originally from Pakistan’s North West Frontier province.

    Opponents of the MQM claim that its actions yesterday were ordered in micro-detail by the movement’s autocratic leader, via telephone, from Edgware in north London.

    Lawyers surround suspended Chief Justice Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry

    Altaf Hussain wields great influence from afar over Karachi, a city of 15 million. Amid the chaos and bloodshed, the MQM chief addressed tens of thousands of his followers gathered along one of Karachi’s main streets.

    As his speech echoed over its audience, in other parts of the city gunmen from both heavily armed factions took up positions on rooftops and sprayed streets with automatic gunfire. Dozens of wounded were treated in hospitals.

    Last night paramilitary troops were preparing to be deployed in the city as the possibility of a curfew being imposed grew.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/05/13/wpak13.xml

  101. observer says:
    May 12th, 2007 9:08 pm

    27 killed, dozens wounded as Pakistan’s crisis erupts

    Gun battles on Karachi streets as chief justice is trapped at airport

    Peter Beaumont , foreign affairs editor
    Sunday May 13, 2007
    The Observer

    At least 27 people were killed and dozens more wounded in the city of Karachi yesterday as Pakistan’s political crisis escalated into fierce gun battles.
    The crisis, sparked by President Pervez Musharraf’s suspension of the country’s chief justice, Iftikhar Mohammed Chaudhry, on 9 March, exploded into lethal clashes on the streets of Karachi when Chaudhry tried to visit the city for a political rally of his supporters.

    The suspension of Chaudhry over allegations of ‘misconduct’ has outraged the judiciary and the opposition, and rapidly turned into the most serious challenge to Musharraf’s authority since he seized power in 1999 in a bloodless coup.

    Article continues

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    The crisis coincides with the run-up to a general election and an anticipated attempt by Musharraf, a close ally of the US, to secure another term. Analysts say Musharraf’s main motive in seeking the removal of the independent-minded Chaudhry is to have a more pliable man in place in case of a constitutional challenge to his plans.
    The chief justice has been outspoken in his criticism of the government and has made a number of judgments that have irritated the government.

    As Musharraf yesterday ruled out declaring a state of emergency, hospital officials in Karachi said that at least 27 people had died in the violence and 55 were wounded.

    Television pictures showed men with AK-47 assault rifles firing from behind cars. A man with a neck wound was shown crying in a bus and another wounded man lay gasping in a pool of his own blood.

    The gun battles broke out as Chaudhry arrived at Karachi airport, for what organisers hoped would be the largest in two months of rallies by lawyers and opposition parties protesting at his suspension, after ignoring requests from provincial officials to postpone his visit because of fears of bloodshed.

    Opposition activists accused supporters of a pro-government party, the Mutahida Qami Movement (MQM), of attacking them with batons and gunfire as they attempted to greet the judge at the airport.

    Witnesses described MQM supporters calling for ammunition and firing from buildings, reportedly at supporters of the Pakistan’s People’s Party and Jamaat-e-Islami while opposition supporters were firing back. Later, a senior MQM leader, Farooq Sattar, said four of the party’s supporters died in the clash.

    Chaudhry had earlier declined an offer from authorities to travel to the venue of a planned downtown rally by helicopter and so was stranded at Karachi airport – as were hundreds of passengers from earlier flights. He later abandoned his efforts to enter the city.

    Wasim Akhtar, an MQM official with the provincial government, urged Chaudhry to return to Islamabad to avoid further violence. The MQM is a partner in a coalition ruling Sindh province, of which Karachi is the capital.

    Arshad Zubairi, chief executive of the private TV network Aaj, said that its building elsewhere in the city had been fired on by MQM supporters who wanted them to stop airing live footage of the unrest.

    The government’s failure to contain the unrest in Karachi, despite the presence of 15,000 security forces, will deepen the political turmoil gripping Pakistan.

    http://observer.guardian.co.uk/world/story/0,,2078495,00.html

  102. Tamashbeen says:
    May 12th, 2007 9:29 pm

    So it’s back to the old ways for MQM. They are back to the tactics that have worked for them very well in the past.

    Again a military dictator as the guardian angel for this terrorist outfit.

    Will we ever learn?

  103. Tamashbeen says:
    May 12th, 2007 9:54 pm

    OK, seems like MQM has now been able to reach “The News” and “Jang” newspapers. The leading headlines have changed from the accounts of the events to Shujaat’s condolences over attacks on MQM’s rally. Now they are trying to paint the attackers as the attacked. People who were paying attention during the 80′s and 90′s would not be surprised. We all know MQM’s blatant tactics to get the kind of coverage they desire from the newspapers.

  104. nashus says:
    May 12th, 2007 9:58 pm

    Sir your picture of CJ in dark glasses so much reminds me of Altaf bhai’s pics in dark glasses.

  105. omar says:
    May 12th, 2007 11:32 pm

    “out of control”? what nonsense. MQM and its generals are in full control. This is exactly how they “control” people. They kill them if anyone dares to stand against the boss in London or his general in Pindi. But their time will come and it will not be pretty…

  106. zakoota says:
    May 12th, 2007 11:34 pm

    MQM = Mustaqil Qaumi Masla

    MQM = Main* Qyoon Maroon, Meri* Qoum Maray

    where Main and Meri represent  Altaf

  107. Eidee Man says:
    May 12th, 2007 11:41 pm

    God! I’m at a loss for words…what the hell has happened in the past 24 hours?

    We (including myself) constantly blame mullahs and other fundamentalists for their stupidities…well, at least they are not indiscriminate killers like these MQM CRIMINALS.

    MQM was, is, and will remain a terrorist organization.

    [quote comment="46992"]
    Today when I called up friends and family in Karachi……but they still could not bring themselves to putting all blame on this organized crime mafia now hiding under the guise of a political organization, that single handedly tried to hijack the city for a day. [/quote]

    I don’t know how many innocent people have to die before these people come to their senses. It’s as absurd as some “muslims” supporting the killings of other innocent muslims in sunni/shia killings.

    When the Nazis came for the communists,
    I remained silent;
    I was not a communist.

    When they locked up the social democrats,
    I remained silent;
    I was not a social democrat.

    When they came for the trade unionists,
    I did not speak out;
    I was not a trade unionist.

    When they came for me,
    there was no one left to speak out.

  108. Eidee Man says:
    May 12th, 2007 11:45 pm

    [quote comment="47020"]So it’s back to the old ways for MQM. They are back to the tactics that have worked for them very well in the past.

    Again a military dictator as the guardian angel for this terrorist outfit.

    Will we ever learn?[/quote]

    Yes, you are right. We will never learn. I never liked MQM, but I thought that Musharraf had at least SOME decency to care for Pakistan.

    I have always been disappointed by the skeptical attitude of older people around me…now I realize that I am the one who was unrealistically idealistic. It was Zia and MQM first, and now Musharraf and MQM.

  109. zakoota says:
    May 12th, 2007 11:59 pm

    1. One Army dictator (Zia) made MQM

    2. Second dictator (Mush) is doing his best to protect MQM

    MQM is not a political party, its a Mafia

  110. checker47 says:
    May 13th, 2007 12:39 am

    I have the following observation regarding what happened in Karachi yesterday (12 May ’07).

    No TV channel is prepared to courageously name the perpetrators of this carnage.

    That this is the final round of the military vs. judiciary.

    The outcome will make or break Pakistan.

    The sane people of Pakistan are united to fight ethnic based politics Despite all provocations by vested interests.

    Things can only change from within and the desire to do so must be vehemently pursued.

  111. Eidee Man says:
    May 13th, 2007 12:44 am

    If nothing else, please do your best to keep the Wikipedia articles on

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altaf_Hussain

    and

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muttahida_Qaumi_Movement

    accurate and up-to-date.

  112. Ibrahim says:
    May 13th, 2007 12:45 am

    Salamalikum,

    From political perspective, what was MQM thinking? That Musharraf will stay in power forever? The day any party comes to power without Musharraf, MQM will get another round of ’92 operations. They have tussled with everybody and alienated almost anyone with whom they might make a compromise in the future. What ghundagary and stupidity!

  113. zakoota says:
    May 13th, 2007 12:52 am

    [quote comment="47029"]

    No TV channel is prepared to courageously name the perpetrators of this carnage.

    [/quote]

    Thats true

  114. zakoota says:
    May 13th, 2007 12:56 am

    [quote comment="47031"]Salamalikum,

    From political perspective, what was MQM thinking? That Musharraf will stay in power forever? The day any party comes to power without Musharraf, MQM will get another round of ’92 operations. They have tussled with everybody and alienated almost anyone with whom they might make a compromise in the future. What ghundagary and stupidity![/quote]

    Yes Ibrahim but for the we need a courageous and bold army general like Asif Nawaz Janjua, not a coward like Musharaf.

  115. Ibrahim says:
    May 13th, 2007 1:12 am

    Salamalikum,

    Zakoota, bhai, I am afraid for people of Karachi from retaliation when a new govt. comes— not asking for ’92 operation. Rather, I’m sadly reminding about it. The operation wasn’t just. The army, parties and agencies went overboard—didn’t just kill MQM, it killed Karachiites. The zulm of MQM was responded by zulm of Army, ML and PPP in kind.

  116. Khan Sahab says:
    May 13th, 2007 1:13 am

    Its days like this that I’m glad my family bid adieu to Karachi a long time ago. While I’m saddened by the horrific state of affairs, we all know Karachi has been going down the drain for decades now, and Pakistan as a whole has largely been a fiefdom for particular families and clans since its very birth.

    Given the illiteracy, inequality, inhumanity, and general sense of apathy I saw on display when I was last there, this violence does not surprise me one bit and as much as I hope things improve, I seriously doubt they will.

    I once believed that Musharraf was different and genuine, that he cared and could somehow turn things around in Pakistan for the better. Cognizant of the challenge, I nevertheless believed in his abilities. I was not bothered by his uniform because democracy is not a panacea and plenty of elected leaders in Pakistan and the wider world are horrible leaders. I now see Musharraf as no better than any of the others to have blessed Pakistan with their leadership.

    Of course, this scorn should not just be reserved for the leadership and Pakistani elite, it is shared amongst any who care about Pakistan, including myself – SHAME ON ALL OF US FOR ALLOWING THE STATE OF AFFAIRS IN PAKISTAN TO GET THIS BAD!!!

  117. Pakistani says:
    May 13th, 2007 1:38 am

    MQM is a bad political party but it does not make others good and innocent.
    Look at the pictures here http://www.mqm.org/English-News/May-2007/killers-mqm-rally-120507.htm

  118. Eidee Man says:
    May 13th, 2007 1:44 am

    [quote comment="47038"]MQM is a bad political party but it does not make others good and innocent.
    Look at the pictures here http://www.mqm.org/English-News/May-2007/killers-mqm-rally-120507.htm/quote

    If this is your idea of a joke, please stop.

  119. mahi says:
    May 13th, 2007 1:46 am

    I noticed two flags in the footage. Wondering which sides they are?
    1. Green and Red with black in middle (crescent inside)
    2. Green red and white

    I thought I saw one with Green, red and blue too..but maybe I’m mistaken?

  120. Steve says:
    May 13th, 2007 1:49 am

    This too shall pass. The next dictator shall grow up while the wise fight, fret or fume…

  121. Eidee Man says:
    May 13th, 2007 1:51 am

    [quote comment="47040"]I noticed two flags in the footage. Wondering which sides they are?
    1. Green and Red with black in middle (crescent inside)
    2. Green red and white

    I thought I saw one with Green, red and blue too..but maybe I’m mistaken?[/quote]

    Mahi, the ones wielding weapons are holding the green-red-white (mqm); the ones that have their brains blown out and blood spilling from their guts are holding the red-black-green (ppp).

    If you have never seen the MQM flag before, you obviously have never been to Karachi; or if you have, you probably remained on the right side of Clifton bridge.

  122. Pakistani says:
    May 13th, 2007 2:00 am

    [quote comment="47039"][quote comment="47038"]MQM is a bad political party but it does not make others good and innocent.
    Look at the pictures here http://www.mqm.org/English-News/May-2007/killers-mqm-rally-120507.htm/quote

    If this is your idea of a joke, please stop.[/quote]

    I am strongly against MQM and ALTAF but it does not mean i would speak only against MQM/Altaf. Get the facts and critize whoever is involved. Dont judge on the basic of their history and the label on them.

  123. Zalim Khan says:
    May 13th, 2007 2:33 am

    Why are we fighting amongst ourselves? We should get together and fight wicked Indians. This is all their badmashi.

  124. Adnan Siddiqi says:
    May 13th, 2007 3:16 am

    Zalim Khan,i don’t know what to say ..better I say nothing. *sigh*

    All I can say k Allah tumhe Aqal-e-Saleem ataa karay aur thori se sanjeedgi aur Dimagh ko istimaal karna k hosla day.

  125. Adnan Siddiqi says:
    May 13th, 2007 3:36 am

    [quote post="701"]Why not postpone by one day and let MQM’s plans fall apart? [/quote]

    the plan of CJ’s address to bar was decided long before the Judiciary crisis as Court was celebrating its 150 years. Why should they have cancelled the plan?

  126. king_faisal says:
    May 13th, 2007 4:02 am

    i used to be a believer in tnt but in the light of evidence here i may have to change my opinion. pakistanis and indians both possess some sort of mystical sherlock holmesian deductive abilities which enables them to identify perpetrators of terrorism two second after an incident takes place.

    seconds after the blast on samjhota express, indians had evidence on isi/lt involvement. similary just by watching the likes of kamran khan yesterday, people have been able to conclude that mqm/govt was the bad guy. note also that just as in india, all violence is caused by muslims even when muslims are target themselves, all violence in pak is caused by the govt even when target is the govt itself. musharraf plans suicide attack against himself and shaukat aziz and mqm rains violence on the very people who vote for it. yesterday, mqm infiltrated opposition dominated areas like patel para and started firing on opposition rally. there was absolutely no cross fire. only mqm firing on opposition from all sides. note also that other parties in pakistan are completely peace loving. karachi under bb/ns in the 90′s was as peaceful as a small town in scandinavia.

    as for the chief justice, it is his right to do whatever he pleases including disregarding govt pleas for public safety. in democracies, citizens have absolute freedom and all responsibility lies with govt. so if karachites drown while swimming in the sea during monsoon despie govt warnings, it is the fault of the government because it is the responsibility of the govt to provide life guards for every single individual who wants to swim during monsoon.

    i think what you see on this website and on pakistani media is that pakistanis have no ability to analyse events without using the crutch of politics. actions are categorised as good or bad depending on the politics. people have very little knowledge of subjects like history, economics, international affairs etc because it takes too much effort to read on these subjects. much easier to only read dau takkay kay newspapers like dawn and regurgitate the bakwaas here. i have always mainted that pakistan’s backwardness is explained by the stupidity of its educated people rather than by our literacy rate. what i see on this website simply confirms my contention.

  127. A Khan says:
    May 13th, 2007 4:09 am

    The West has gotten hundreds of “terrorists” extradited from Pakistan. While the biggest terrorist of them all, Altaf Hussain lives opulently in London. Why the double standards? They protect a man who has more blood on his hands than any person in Gitmo. I forget who it was but some prominent American had to say this about Saddam during the Iran Iraq War where over a million muslims died on both sides, “He’s a son of a bitch, but he’s our son of a bitch.”

  128. ahsan says:
    May 13th, 2007 4:19 am

    This morning I received a message from a friend of mine wh lives in Karachi:

    [quote]Yes Karachi was very bad yesterday. We stayed indoors. Now our CJ has become a monkey in jugglers’ hands. They carry him from door to door and are using HIM as a MASCOT. He has lost almost all honor. Even NAWAZ Sharif who attacked Supreme Court earlier is sporting freedom of Judiaciry. We had seen on the TV that CJ Sajjad Hussain Shah has to hide himself under the DESK. It is all political jugglery between exploiters. Both sides are almost the same.I do not find any qualitative change among them, except for the Mullas who are continuously putting the backgear and dragging it as far as 1500 years back.[/quote]

    No particular hard feelings against one Party, all of them are dishonest and they are almost equaly bad.

  129. Ejaz Asi says:
    May 13th, 2007 4:27 am

    To spread more love, tolerance and strength, I designed “I love Karachi” banners for anyone’s use.
    Please visit “I love Karachi”

    While some of the visitors seem to hold the notion: It was done before, It will happen again.

    May be, May be Not.
    Only YOU (as a nation) can stop this. We have seen that Army can’t say anything against its dictator, we have seen that MQM will continue its ignorant, senseless and inhuman tactics. But what I want to mention and you must all agree that today’s Pakistan and Karachi is very different. How many of you in 90s or 80s could get to SOME PLATFORM in public and voice your opinion? How many of you could call your dictator whatever you can call NOW? How many of you could openly say you despise the very existence of a man who betrayed his own best friend and killed him?

    The change is already in the air, whether or not you can smell it.

    “Zara Nam Ho To Yeh Matti Bari Zarkhaiz Hai Saqi”

  130. Asad Khan says:
    May 13th, 2007 4:53 am

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6650445.stm

    From BBC. Otherwise, I am hard pressed to find any descriptions of the counts of the PPP dead; the ones who suffered the most. There are also amazingly no interviews of activists from City hospitals; where you could easily gather a lot of information. All this explains how the MQM thugs have now censored the media by coercing them into reporting what they want them to report. And all this when some of us are hailing the openness and freedom enjoyed by the media under the great dictator. Freedom of media is under a grave threat already.

  131. observer says:
    May 13th, 2007 5:16 am

    SUNDAY TELEGRAPH

    Pakistan on brink of disaster as Karachi burns
    By Isambard Wilkinson and Massoud Ansari in Karachi, Sunday Telegraph

    Last Updated: 11:37pm BST 12/05/2007

    In pictures: Violence in Karachi
    Chaos gripped the streets of Karachi yesterday as gun battles left at least 31 people dead and hundreds more injured, threatening a complete breakdown of law and order in Pakistan’s largest and most volatile city.

    With plumes of black smoke billowing over the city of 12 million people, there were extraordinary scenes as gunmen on motorbikes pumped bullets into crowds demonstrating against Pakistan’s President Pervez Musharraf, while police stood by and watched.

    Gun battles left at least 31 people dead and hundreds more injured

    In images more reminiscent of Baghdad, bloodstained corpses lay where they had fallen in the streets and bodies piled up in hospital morgues. As the sense of crisis deepened, a crisis meeting between Gen Musharraf and the prime minister, Shaukat Aziz, resolved to send in paramilitary troops to restore order, and to place the army on standby. The men agreed that a state of emergency would be imposed if the first two options failed.

    It was the bloodiest escalation of the two-month long saga which began when the president attempted to sack the country’s chief justice in March. The ensuing challenge by lawyers and opposition parties to Gen Musharraf’s eight-year rule has left the president – a key Western ally in the “war on terror” – desperately clinging to power.

    Opponents believe he had hoped to create a compliant judiciary ahead of elections which he has promised to hold later this year. But what started as a political confrontation has now lit Karachi’s tinderbox of ethnic rivalry.

    Yesterday’s violence erupted as Iftikhar Chaudhry, the suspended chief justice, flew in to Karachi Jinah International Airport to address a rally.

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    Many of the 15,000 police and security forces deployed in the city stood idly by as armed activists from Karachi’s ruling party, Muttahida Qaumi Movement (MQM), a coalition ally of Gen Musharraf, blocked Mr Chaudhry’s exit from the airport and took control of the city’s central district.

    The movement’s leader, Altaf Hussain – who lives in self-imposed exile in London – co-ordinated opposition to Mr Chaudhry’s arrival and addressed crowds gathered on the streets of Karachi in a mobile phone call relayed by loudspeakers.

    He called on supporters to be peaceful but to show whose city it was. Instead, violence reigned.

    Gunmen tore off on motorbikes after brazenly firing AK-47 rifles at opposition supporters. One report described MQM gunmen exchanging gunfire for an hour with activists from the exiled former premier Benazir Bhutto’s Pakistan People’s Party.

    Road blocks, including trucks with deflated tires, prevented most of Mr Chaudhry’s supporters from reaching the airport to greet him. But a few dozen lawyers who reached there on foot chanted, “We are with you. Down with Musharraf.” Dozens of vehicles and petrol pumps were set alight by the angry mobs.

    Vehicles were set alight as clashes broke out between political activists

    Inside Mr Chaudhry’s intended destination, Sind’s high court, hundreds of lawyers, some of them bloodied after being beaten up by MQM supporters, milled about chanting slogans and receiving news on their mobile phones about the trouble engulfing them. Outside, MQM activists with pistols tucked into their jeans, blocked the entrance.

    Lawyers railed against the government. “This is a shocking attempt by the government to suppress the people,” Iqbal Haider, a human rights lawyer and former senator, told The Sunday Telegraph. “Musharraf is making all sorts of mistakes to save himself from sinking.”

    As fans stirred the humid air, news poured in of unrest spreading to other parts of the country. Convoys of buses, cars and rickshaws festooned with flags of political parties careered through Karachi’s main thoroughfares.

    Tension has been simmering in Karachi for the past week, with rumours swirling round that Mr Musharraf had allowed conflicting rallies to go ahead to create the requisite level of disorder to justify the declaration of an emergency. The prelude to violence was familiar to Karachi, where hundreds of people were killed in ethnic violence in the 1990s.

    Exacerbating the political furore in Karachi over the sacking of Mr Chaudhry is a decades-old and simmering feud between the MQM, a movement supported by the city’s mohajir population who migrated from India at Partition in 1947, and ethnic Pathans, who were originally from Pakistan’s North West Frontier province.

    Opponents of the MQM claim that its actions yesterday were ordered in micro-detail by the movement’s autocratic leader, via telephone, from Edgware in north London.

    Lawyers surround suspended Chief Justice Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry

    Altaf Hussain wields great influence from afar over Karachi, a city of 15 million. Amid the chaos and bloodshed, the MQM chief addressed tens of thousands of his followers gathered along one of Karachi’s main streets.

    As his speech echoed over its audience, in other parts of the city gunmen from both heavily armed factions took up positions on rooftops and sprayed streets with automatic gunfire. Dozens of wounded were treated in hospitals.

    Last night paramilitary troops were preparing to be deployed in the city as the possibility of a curfew being imposed grew.

  132. Anwer says:
    May 13th, 2007 5:31 am

    [quote comment="47049"]i used to be a believer in tnt but in the light of evidence here i may have to change my opinion. pakistanis and indians both possess some sort of mystical sherlock holmesian deductive abilities which enables them to identify perpetrators of terrorism two second after an incident takes place.

    seconds after the blast on samjhota express, indians had evidence on isi/lt involvement. similary just by watching the likes of kamran khan yesterday, people have been able to conclude that mqm/govt was the bad guy. note also that just as in india, all violence is caused by muslims even when muslims are target themselves, all violence in pak is caused by the govt even when target is the govt itself. musharraf plans suicide attack against himself and shaukat aziz and mqm rains violence on the very people who vote for it. yesterday, mqm infiltrated opposition dominated areas like patel para and started firing on opposition rally. there was absolutely no cross fire. only mqm firing on opposition from all sides. note also that other parties in pakistan are completely peace loving. karachi under bb/ns in the 90′s was as peaceful as a small town in scandinavia.

    as for the chief justice, it is his right to do whatever he pleases including disregarding govt pleas for public safety. in democracies, citizens have absolute freedom and all responsibility lies with govt. so if karachites drown

    while swimming in the sea during monsoon despie govt warnings, it is the fault of the government because it is the responsibility of the govt to provide life guards for every single individual who wants to swim during monsoon.

    i think what you see on this website and on pakistani media is that pakistanis have no ability to analyse events without using the crutch of politics. actions are categorised as good or bad depending on the politics. people have very little knowledge of subjects like history, economics, international affairs etc because it takes too much effort to read on these subjects. much easier to only read dau takkay kay newspapers like dawn and regurgitate the bakwaas here. i have always mainted that pakistan’s backwardness is explained by the stupidity of its educated people rather than by our literacy rate. what i see on this website simply confirms my contention.[/quote]

    It is so satisfying to find someone like-minded, sane and objective. I can understand the frustration one feels while arguing with the supposedly educated. You are absolutely right, we have very preconceived notions about every happening which we spread around pompously, being educated, of course. In depth knowledge, history? what is that?
    I earnestly pray that we realize that it is the so called educated of this country, who are responsible for all its woes. Could it be we are genetically ‘miswired’.

  133. Working Reporter says:
    May 13th, 2007 11:40 am

    Frankly, I think some of the discussion about News etc. is silly… or you think you can just pressure and intimidate it by these silly comments.

    The web page really doesn’t matter and the breaking news there is not by importance it is in the order of which news is received when. Second, if you look at the real newspaper today and the main news items at the top of the page it is clear that the newspaper is doing good and bold reporting and clearly focussed on the killings and clearly blaming the sitting Sindh govt of MQM for it. The problem with you ‘keyboard pundits’ is that you cant even take the trouble of looking at the real newspaper and just need something to rant about. The danger is that you will even lose the respect of those journalists who are doing something real in this battle for democracy.

  134. observer says:
    May 13th, 2007 5:34 am

    zakoota
    May 13th, 2007 at 12:52 am Quote
    No TV channel is prepared to courageously name the perpetrators of this carnage.

    Zakoota, you are right. Such is the fear of this ‘peaceful’ organisation that these TV channels, although they are seeing in black and white, have no guts to say so and take cover under their professional ethics not to name any one.

    Aaj TV was targeted by the MQM but the sister channels were not able to show what was happening there although their crews were everywhere in Karachi.

    Jang and News have no courage like Daily Dawn has. Jang has its money from sale more important.

  135. Sajjad says:
    May 13th, 2007 5:37 am

    This violence is not doing any good to Pakistan. I live in london and here i have heard that the economic activities with pakistan are going to be curtailed by US and UK.
    We wont receive the World Bank and US aid, if the political situation in Pakistan.
    One BBC channel also told that 20% population will starve if pakistan does not receive the international aid it is getting now.
    Also, they compared Pakistan’s volatile, violent democracy to India’s stable democracy. This meant that Pakistan will lose most of its FDI to india. India is already far ahead of us. If we do not stop this violence, we may never get a chance to catch india.

    sad.

  136. umar khan says:
    May 13th, 2007 6:05 am

    [quote comment="47037"]
    Of course, this scorn should not just be reserved for the leadership and Pakistani elite, it is shared amongst any who care about Pakistan, including myself – SHAME ON ALL OF US FOR ALLOWING THE STATE OF AFFAIRS IN PAKISTAN TO GET THIS BAD!!![/quote]
    cdnt agree more with u, as they say “evil succeeds when good men do nothing”.

    we the keyboard warriors who r liberals, educated, sane and patriotic r the worse than mqm, ppp etc bcoz we despite having all the resources and knowledge choose 2 sit back and just watch as silent spectators.

    its time to form a new party, the Pakistan Liberals Party.

    plz bear with me and my manifesto will soon be published here :)

  137. Ismail Hussein says:
    May 13th, 2007 8:27 am

    interesting how MQM and anti-MQM wallahs are trying to force their views here through narraas instead of analysis. Maybe that is just the nature of Karachi politics and Karachi people. As a Karachite myself I think we have lost all tolerance and cannot even argue properly. Even if you look on earlier threads some of teh people who lose their temper the most and mostly needlessly are from Karachi.

  138. observer says:
    May 13th, 2007 6:43 am

    Disturbances continue second day in Karachi. MQM Nero must be playing flute in his North London ‘International Secretariate’.

    I just heard Al Jazeera. Kamal Hyder was saying that Mush address rally in Islamabad yesterday and he said that not more than 50,000 people were there to listen to Mush.

    In Karachi, Geo and ARY were portraying MQM really as a big one but it was obvious from the faces of the people in audience that it was rather a picnique than a political rally. I am sure MQM followers must have been very much impressed by comical speech from their leader.

    Geo TV is spending today’s time in showing Hockey match while Karachi is burning. ARYOne is showing the situation in Karachi but as usual shying away from telling the audience who the miscreants are!!!

  139. observer says:
    May 13th, 2007 6:52 am

    Daily Jang and The News have seen the writing on the wall. The latest news gives preference to the death of Taleban leader in Afghanistan.

    These papers have always sided with MQM whenever this organisation starts its ‘peaceful activities’ you know what I mean.

  140. WASIM ARIF says:
    May 13th, 2007 6:54 am

    Ibrahim & Blue & Grey

    Thanks for your views, when I mean revolution it must be a peaceful non-violent movement. The Quaid stood above all for the rule of law, just imagine the scene in Quetta, Karachi, Peshawar, Lahore and elsewhere if millions have a day of action (peaceful) and the effect if they fired on compared to street fights which I do not support. Remember we are one people and we must stand together in our hour of need.

    Feimanallah & Pakistan Zindabad

  141. observer says:
    May 13th, 2007 7:11 am

    12th May 2007- A sad day indeed for Pakistan!

    Pity the Nation

    “My friends and my road-fellows, ( even if you don’t live

    near Share-ra-Faisal ) :- pity the nation that is full of beliefs and empty of religion.

    “Pity the nation that wears a cloth it does not weave, eats a bread it does not harvest, and drinks a wine that flows not from its own winepress.

    “Pity the nation that acclaims the bully as hero, and that deems the glittering conqueror bountiful.

    “Pity the nation that raises not its voice save when it walks in a funeral, boasts not except among its ruins, and will rebel not save when its neck is laid between the sword and the block.

    “Pity the nation whose statesman is a fox, whose philosopher is a juggler, and whose art is the art of patching and mimicking.

    “Pity the nation that welcomes its new ruler with trumpetings, and farewells him with hootings, only to welcome another with trumpetings again.

    “Pity the nation divided into fragments, each fragment deeming itself a nation.

    “Pity the nation that is full of beliefs and empty of religion.

    Pity the nation whose sages are dumb with years and whose strong men are yet in the cradle.

    Khalil Gibran
    The garden of the Prophet (1934)

    http://www.quoteworld.org/category/men/author/kahlil-gibran

  142. observer says:
    May 13th, 2007 8:00 am

    It’s Conflict Between Institutions

    By Wajid Shamsul Hasan

    Pakistan’s roller-coaster existence seems to be entering into a decisive phase-a phase that will finally assert as to who is the sole arbiter of
    power-the people of Pakistan or its military establishment represented by a coterie of Bonapartist generals. Whether the decision to suspend the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court Mr Justice Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry was taken on sheer whims of a dictator on the advice of his handpicked prime minister out of a perceived executive fear that the changing mood at the apex court indicated that it would no more play ball with it in its power game or on grounds of merit in the charges against the highest judicial office-it has definitely brought the country to a point of do or die, now or never.
    Lately, General Pervez Musharraf has added yet another reason for his reference against the Chief Justice. He now says the world would have
    perceived Pakistan as a “failed state” if it slid into anarchy because of the judicial and executive deadlock ensuing out of the actions of Justice Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry. The General claims he had nothing personal against Justice Chaudhry and took the “legal and constitutional action” against him when he was convinced about the validity of charges brought against him by the Prime Minister, Shaukat Aziz. “I wanted to avoid a situation similar to the one when Pakistan was about to be declared a ‘failed state’, he claimed.
    Ever since March 9 when Mr Justice Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry was summoned to the Camp Office of the Army Chief and not President House, served a charge sheet in the presence of the prime minister and some other serving officers-the message sent to the nation was clear. Battle plans had been laid bare for a war between the two remaining institutions of the state-the army and the judiciary. Those in the executive who had once basked in extra-ordinary legal concessions/covers provided to them by a pliable judiciary had lately become wary of it because of certain unpalatable judgements by the apex court-including that of the Pakistan Steel Mills and tougher stand on the fate of missing persons-deplorable instances that had exposed high corruption in the government and its atrocious treatment of Pakistani citizens.
    Power drunk executive had taken it for granted that-as in the case of Parliament having been contrived into a rubber stamp-getting rid of the
    Chief Justice would be nothing but a piece of cake. The awe of the highest Praetorian hierarchy and a prime minister whose tail does not stop from wagging in its presence-it was conceived that their pressure and blackmail would be enough to get his resignation with not much ado. That is where they went wrong. And they did not realise that a defining moment in the nation’s life had arrived when the response to the baton-wielding diktat would be matched by an otherwise unarmed man who preferred to cast their dye rather than surrender to their blackmail. When the Chief Justice stood up in defence of his institution, they did not know what hit them. Ever since then every move by the executive is pushing it nearer to its ignominious end.
    What was cleverly designed against an individual has boomeranged in the face of the otherwise mighty executive and it has been drawn into a decisive war between institutions-a historic eventuality never seen before in Pakistan’s history. It has pitched an unarmed judiciary strengthened by the force of its conviction in the supremacy of law, supported to the hilt by the members of the bar, legal fraternity and the Pakistani nation-lock, stock and barrel– against the generals in cahoots with the co-operative thugs, summer soldiers and sunshine patriots.
    Students of Pakistan’s history had been convinced that such a clash was inevitable one time or the other sooner than later-to save the country from being scavenged to its barest bones by Praetorian vultures out there to devour the country that feeds them fat. And it had been taken as a foregone conclusion by analysts that without pressing the vital issue of their ultimate empowerment in the streets of Pakistan against the usurping jackboots trampling on their basic rights for more than 50 years-their fate as an independent and democratic nation would remain writhing under the shadow of constant death.
    It was the finest hour for the people of Pakistan when their Chief Justice told the General: enough is enough. And the mounting but peaceful pressure at the bar and in the streets has run panic in the Praetorian camp and shattered the commando nerves. They tried to break the perseverance and determination of the Chief Justice by initially disgracefully incarcerating him in his residence, by pulling his hair, by making his and movement of his supporters impossible. They have been targeting his team of lawyers. They first sealed the office of his defence lawyer Munir Malik followed by firing at his residence in Karachi under the very nose of intelligence silhouettes that hover around his locality to intimidate and keep an eye on him. The lives of other members of his team such as Barrister Etizaz Ahsan, Justice � Tariq Mahmud and MNA Zammrud Khan too are under constant threat. Media too has not escaped regime’s wrath for trying to report as much as possible truth nothing but the whole truth. TV channels have been attacked and their telecasts have been disrupted regularly. Pressure on print media continues
    unabated. Journalists are browbeaten, intimated and harassed to the extent that Pakistan has been put among the top of the countries where free expression is hardly managing to survive under state duress.
    It is a matter of record that political parties and organisations representing the civil society remain peaceful while raising their voice for
    the restoration of democracy and human rights. Remember processions by millions to welcome PPP leader Benazir Bhutto when she returned to Pakistan after her exile in 1986. She and her marathon marchers toured the length and breadth of the country-from Khyber to Karachi-not a single street light was damaged. Even now where ever in Pakistan Chief Justice has gone, no untoward incident has marred his peaceful processions. Though there is enough of temptation to take advantage of the rising crescendo of political opposition to the regime, the political elements have shown great respect and restrain by their support to the lawyers to lead the country’s glorious march for the restoration of the Chief Justice and the supremacy of the judiciary. As PPP Chairperson Mohtarma Benazir Bhutto said the other day in Oslo that political parties were in a position to convert the ongoing struggle for the supremacy of the judiciary into a power struggle. However, in deference to the wishes of the lawyers community to let them fight their own battle, political elements are sticking to the limits set by them on their participation in the over all judicial movement. It may be mentioned that mysterious expensive advertisements in media, have been trying to divide lawyers community by describing protestors as overly PPP lawyers.
    Since the regime’s swan song is being sung and preparation rites for its burial seemingly in order, one must pause to prepare for the unseen
    especially when Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz has hinted at the possibility of the imposition of the state of emergency and Pir Pagaro-with his pronounced GHQ links-has talked about martial law. There are also indications that the powers that be have decided to play foul with the May 12 visit of the Chief Justice to Karachi at the invitation of SHCBA.
    Not that one is opposed to political rallies. Every one has right to peaceful association and public gathering to air political views-howsoever
    divergent. The massive spontaneous support to the Chief Justice has un-nerved the rulers hence sudden panic directive to the co-operative thugs and other shady collaborators of the regime to arrange counter rallies-are indications at creating law and order situation to save the day for the boss and his dwindling chair too. In this context one would like to refer to the speech of former Prime Minister Mir Zafarullah Jamali in the National Assembly in which he urged postponement of the counter-rallies on May 12 to avoid clashes. He warned that a civil war like situation was emerging and demanded wisdom to prevail. He expressed his amazement at the coalition partners of the regime for selecting the same day for the rally when the CJP was going to Karachi to address the Sindh High Court Bar Association.
    What started off as a movement to restore the Chief Justice has now become a totally ant-Musharraf struggle. Masses have given their verdict against him. Instead of acting like Yahiya Khan he should bow to the wishes of the people. He is being wrongly advised for staging counter-rallies or using his collaborators as Al-Shams and Al-Badar to save him. The writing on the wall clearly says go. If not, he will meet his predecessor’s fate and his supporters would end up as orphans much on the pattern of Pakistani army raised Al-Shams and Al-Badr who continue to live in wilderness for want of a homeland. Pakistan: Musharraf Proposes Sham Election Plan
    Pakistan�s Military Leader Must Step Down as President or Army Chief

    (Washington, DC, May 1, 2007) � Pakistani President General Pervez Musharraf�s insistence on holding onto the office of army chief as well as the presidency prevents Pakistan from returning to the rule of law under its constitution, Human Rights Watch said today.

    Musharraf plans to hold national and provincial assembly votes for the presidency before the general elections due by the end of the year to ensure his reelection as a president in uniform. Pakistan�s constitution requires that the National Assembly, Senate and the four provincial assemblies elect the president.

    Under the Pakistani constitution, however, a presidential election would be illegal unless Musharraf ceases to be army chief. In an April 27 newspaper interview, Musharraf said that the current parliament, where a military-backed party holds a majority, would vote for president by October, before national elections in November. This would ensure his reelection as president and continuation as army chief. The tenure of the current assemblies is scheduled to expire in October.

    Musharraf intends to bypass the democratic process once again by staging an illegal presidential election ahead of the parliamentary vote,� said Brad Adams, Asia director at Human Rights Watch. �Pakistan needs legitimate parliamentary and presidential elections to get back on the path to genuine democratic rule. Anything else would be a sham.

    Since taking power in a 1999 coup, Musharraf has remained as army chief and president, even though the Pakistani constitution prohibits the chief of the army from holding political office. In 2003, Musharraf pledged to cede one of the posts by December 2004. But he publicly reneged on this pledge a year later.

    As president, Musharraf has arbitrarily amended the Pakistani constitution to strengthen the power of the presidency, marginalize elected representatives, and formalize the role of the army in government. Under Musharraf, military impunity for abuses has increased manifold. These abuses include extrajudicial killings, torture, arbitrary arrests and the persecution of political opponents.

    On March 9, Musharraf summoned the Chief Justice of Pakistan�s Supreme Court, Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhury, to his office and illegally suspended him for alleged �misuse of office.� The move has sparked outrage across Pakistan and has been condemned by international and Pakistani lawyers� bodies and human rights groups.

    The constitutional crisis over the judiciary has been exacerbated by Musharraf�s latest statements concerning the presidential elections. �Elections in Pakistan will be held, I think, in November,� Musharraf said in the April 27 newspaper interview. �I expect the political grouping that supports me to win again, although my mandate will be extended in September or October in the parliament.�

    Musharraf has made the presidency the most powerful position in the country, said Adams. �It�s vital that Pakistani voters decide who holds this position, not the army or Musharraf himself.

    Human Rights Watch called on Musharraf�s international supporters, particularly the United States and United Kingdom, to press Musharraf to prepare free and fair elections to facilitate a genuine return to civilian rule. The United States has put hardly any pressure on Musharraf to step down as army chief or president since he reneged on his promise. US and British officials have consistently defended Musharraf�s rule.

    �The Bush administration claims that democracy is one of its foreign policy priorities, but it has failed to pressure Musharraf to end military rule, said Adams �Now the question is whether the US, Britain or Pakistan�s other allies will insist upon an election in which Pakistanis choose their own leaders.

    http://www.freewebs.com/iaoj/opinions.htm

  143. Ahmad R. Shahid says:
    May 13th, 2007 8:07 am

    [quote comment="47060"][quote comment="47037"]
    Of course, this scorn should not just be reserved for the leadership and Pakistani elite, it is shared amongst any who care about Pakistan, including myself – SHAME ON ALL OF US FOR ALLOWING THE STATE OF AFFAIRS IN PAKISTAN TO GET THIS BAD!!![/quote]
    cdnt agree more with u, as they say “evil succeeds when good men do nothing”.

    we the keyboard warriors who r liberals, educated, sane and patriotic r the worse than mqm, ppp etc bcoz we despite having all the resources and knowledge choose 2 sit back and just watch as silent spectators.

    its time to form a new party, the Pakistan Liberals Party.

    plz bear with me and my manifesto will soon be published here :)[/quote]

    Creating a new party is no solution and such ideas have never worked. In Bangladesh the Nobel Prize laureate, Muhammad Yunis, tried to launch his own party, with the help of the military of course, to counter the two Begums. Yet such efforts have failed since he may be an excellent banker yet is no crowd puller. You always need the crowd pullers to succeed in politics. No crowd pullers no success. That is why its better to join the PPPP, PML(N) and their likes because they have the crowd pullers amongst them.

  144. omar r. quraishi says:
    May 13th, 2007 8:08 am

    observer what nonsense are you talking about — stop spreading disinformation about The News — have you seen its print edition today –

  145. Ahmad R. Shahid says:
    May 13th, 2007 8:10 am

    [quote comment="47063"]Daily Jang and The News have seen the writing on the wall. The latest news gives preference to the death of Taleban leader in Afghanistan.

    These papers have always sided with MQM whenever this organisation starts its ‘peaceful activities’ you know what I mean.[/quote]

    Thats perhaps because their largest market is Karachi and they just follow what Karachi has to say.

  146. SMK says:
    May 13th, 2007 8:23 am

    I hve been glued to the TV the last two days and I GEOs coverage has been outstanding as usual. I first heard of what was happening at AAJ right there and they have been mentioning it again and agin in their programmes. Saw Shahid Masood’s programme on this last night and Kamran Khan was also very blunt.

  147. MAD says:
    May 13th, 2007 8:32 am

    Here is what wikipedia says about the current status of Altaf Hussain !!!!!!

    “Altaf Hussain faces murder charges in Pakistan. It is perhaps ironic that MQM holds many seats in the current government at the same time when their party leader is in exile for the protection of their leader from enemies as so many times he has faced attemps of killing him but still he want to stay but his party request him to go outside from Pakistan therefore he went to London just to obey his party’s decision.”

  148. SMK says:
    May 13th, 2007 8:38 am

    MAD, your are quoting wikipedia as if it is a credible source of something!!!! Wait a few minutes and one of the MQM jiyalls will go and change it to sing Altaf’s praises…

    P.S. I suggest this site bans all references to WIkipedia which is really a joke and can be manipulated by anyone. Lets raise the level of discussion to something more intelligent than that.

  149. checker47 says:
    May 13th, 2007 9:49 am

    On every TV channel we saw pictures of gun wielding men firing indiscriminately. So far no news channel has reported any arrests of these men(except maybe a few) by the security agencies.

    Were they from the security hence no action against them?

  150. Eidee Man says:
    May 13th, 2007 10:13 am

    [quote comment="47050"]The West has gotten hundreds of “terrorists” extradited from Pakistan. While the biggest terrorist of them all, Altaf Hussain lives opulently in London. Why the double standards? They protect a man who has more blood on his hands than any person in Gitmo.[/quote]

    You stole the words right out of my mouth!! According to the BBC, the governor of Karachi remained on welfare from the UK government while he was in his current post for almost a year!

    What a bloody legacy Zia has left us….created both religious and secular terrorists…may God give him the hell he so rightly deserved.

  151. Naeem says:
    May 13th, 2007 10:14 am

    I saw Geo showing terrorists firing with AK-47 from Baoch Calony bridge to relly of opposition, later same clip was repeated from BBC, it was really shamefull for MQM leaders and for Musharraf.

    Ham kaise begairaz hukumrano gulami mein hein, afsoos.

  152. Naeem says:
    May 13th, 2007 10:18 am

    They were holding MQM flaq, BBC specially showed that.

  153. Eidee Man says:
    May 13th, 2007 10:22 am

    [quote comment="47070"]I hve been glued to the TV the last two days and I GEOs coverage has been outstanding as usual.[/quote]

    Yeah, especially the “apology” by the government to dear-old Altaf Bhai which is the headline on The News’s website.

    Tell me, where do you buy your denial pills?

  154. May 13th, 2007 10:46 am

    If someone thinks on following, he will get the answer who is behind all this show:

    - Who blocked the opposite parties routes?

    - Who blocked the main arteries of city except their own route?

    - Where was 15000 police which was deputed to handle situation?

    - Where was ranger in karachi which is living in khi in all corners of city?

    - Why no help was provided to people living in Guru mandar and Aaj TV premises despite it was aired live since the incident starts?

    - Why Police didnot arrested / fired a bullet on persons carrying arms roaming openly on road?
    Despite it is a fact, khi police known to fire and arrest citizens

    - Why mobsters carrying modern weaponry fired indiscriminately on people from bridges, roads cars motorbikes without any fear from law enforcement agencies?

    - Who gave insurances to terrorist tht they are free to act and 15000 police will not be on all the main roads and important points where they want to play?

    _ Why IG Police said that he is authorityless and he cant do anything for people who pay taxes for them to be a privilaged?

    - Why DIG traffic said on TV tht if you want to open all important roads, i need instructions from ruling party?

    There are lot of points.. if anyone ponder and find only one thing..

    Who were these Gangsters and why so much silence from the Law enforcement agencies?

  155. Aqil Sajjad says:
    May 13th, 2007 11:02 am

    For some time during the day, even as there were reports of more violance in Karachi, the top headline on Geo was quite strangely Afghanistan. Then there was the press conference of the lawyers of the CJ, which both Geo and Aaj showed live. After that, I stopped following so can’t say whether Karachi became the top headline or not.

    As for The News (since the jang group has come under discussion above), as of now, the front page of its website has the following latest news reports in the same order (my apologies if I overlooked anything)

    CJ lawyers hold MQM, government responsible for Karachi violence
    (Updated at 1820 PST)

    Woolmer died of heart failure: Report
    Updated at 1830 PST

    Two pro-Fatah militants killed in Gaza shooting
    (Updated at 1525 PST)

    Car bomb kills 30 in northern Iraq
    (Updated at 1520 PST)

    Five killed in Thai south
    (Updated at 1445 PST)

    Azlan Shah Hockey: India beat S. Korea, win third position

    Thousands gather for fresh pro-secular rally in Turkey

    AIDS: “Natural killer” clue to virus vulnerability

    One more killed in Karachi violence
    (Updated at 1300 PST)

    Iran president in landmark visit to pro-Western UAE
    SC full court to hear CJ Iftikhar’s petition tomorrow
    Buddhist monk, five rebels killed in Sri Lanka violence
    Karachi still tense, daily life routine comes to standstill
    Three dead as a coach tumbled down in ravine on MCH

    Very courageous, good, not enough, too scared to give adequate coverage to the issue or a bit of everything?
    I leave that for people to comment on.

  156. safdar says:
    May 13th, 2007 11:11 am

    MQM IS THE RESPONSIBLE OF ALL THAT.NOW MQM,S JIN OUT OF BOTTLE, AND I MUST SAY THAT IT WOULD BE BETTER THAT IN 1992 GOVT. WOULD REMOVE ALL MQM AT THAT PERIOD.MQM IS A GROUP OF SCOUNDREL PERSONS,THEY LOOK ONLY MONEY AND CAN DO EVERYTHING AGAINST PAKISTAN,AND THEY DID AT KARACHI YERSTERDAY.MUSHARRAF WAS THEIR COLABORATOR.

  157. TURAB says:
    May 13th, 2007 11:32 am

    if i was in CJ’s shoes i would have resigned… it is purely because him the violence accoured. he is only tryin to politicize is cause and gain popularity to hide his real deeds…. he can go back to where he belongs and is not welcome in karachi!

  158. Ahmad R. Shahid says:
    May 13th, 2007 11:55 am

    [quote comment="47092"]if i was in CJ’s shoes i would have resigned… it is purely because him the violence accoured. he is only tryin to politicize is cause and gain popularity to hide his real deeds…. he can go back to where he belongs and is not welcome in karachi![/quote]

    What a stupid comment!

  159. Ahmad R. Shahid says:
    May 13th, 2007 11:58 am

    [quote comment="47057"]Frankly, I think some of the discussion about News etc. is silly… or you think you can just pressure and intimidate it by these silly comments.

    The web page really doesn’t matter and the breaking news there is not by importance it is in the order of which news is received when. Second, if you look at the real newspaper today and the main news items at the top of the page it is clear that the newspaper is doing good and bold reporting and clearly focussed on the killings and clearly blaming the sitting Sindh govt of MQM for it. The problem with you ‘keyboard pundits’ is that you cant even take the trouble of looking at the real newspaper and just need something to rant about. The danger is that you will even lose the respect of those journalists who are doing something real in this battle for democracy.[/quote]

    I have been reading The News since its inception and it has always taken sides. First with Benazir during the reign of Dr. Maleeha Lodhi and then with Musharraf. It was never a neutral newspaper.

  160. Asad Khan says:
    May 13th, 2007 12:59 pm

    For those of us not sitting in Pakistan, we can’t get the daily papers. My source of NEWS is the internet and GEO. BBC website definitely has done a better job than The News website. DAWN (internet) has been relatively better than the NEWS. It is very easy to twist the facts to say whatever you want to say. If media does not report the facts correctly, then you would be totally confused as to who perpetrated what, and who is responsible. For an outside audience watching PTV only (and if that was your only source of info), it would be impossible to form an opinion, as things are taken out of context. Also if you listen to the statements of the 2 parties involved, they sound the same, and the true story easily gets lost in the rhetoric.

  161. Anwer says:
    May 13th, 2007 1:07 pm

    [quote comment="46896"]While I didn’t hope more sensible reaction from the current regime on the issue of security what I am truly appalled is by the complacency (or dheet pan) of Karachiites and their utterly irrational refusal to accept change in their lives by allowing a truly ignorant and goddamn vagabond aka Altaf hussain’s ghundas roam at their will and damage the very fabric of social, civic and economic lives of this city which boasts the highest generating revenue compared with the whole country.

    I am saddened by the realization of Karachiites’ dilemma: Urdu speaking have no other voice but Altaf Hussain so let’s stick to him (however bad he might be).

    As for the police and government, it was predictable and shameful behavior nonetheless. However, had there been no friggin’ MQM, the city could have been more at peace. I wonder despite the many great things about this city, what is the average IQ of an average Karachiite. I mean, for god’s sake, this is your very own friggin’ city. Governments will come, and governments will fall. But what legacy as a civil society do WE leave behind us?

    The moral fibre of this society has weakened to such a state that I could have no possible hope from any area but from those who remain silent and yet are capable of a lot more than what they think of themselves.[/quote]

    With your above average IQ, would you say, that if there were no frigging (to use your choice of language) Jamaat Islami, there would be no fr– MQM, if there were no fr–PPP, there were no MQM and so on and so forth. Are you ready to ponder just a wee bit, that the first bullets were fired at the MQM rally near the Wireless gate. I know for a fact, that after routing the Jamaat in Karachi, MQM is making inroads in rural Sindh. Are you willing to consider, just for the sake of argument, that the PPP fears losing its stranglehold in Sindh and found an ideal opportunity on the 12th to strike back. My view is MQM made a misjudgement when it decided to hold its rally (on the advise of Islamabad) the day the Chief Justice was coming.

  162. May 13th, 2007 1:12 pm

    [quote comment="47092"]if i was in CJ’s shoes i would have resigned… it is purely because him the violence accoured. he is only tryin to politicize is cause and gain popularity to hide his real deeds…. he can go back to where he belongs and is not welcome in karachi![/quote]

    Who are you to decide who is and who is not welcome in Karachi? You and your disgusting political party does not own the city, never will!

    violence occurred only in Karachi because this is the only place where u and ur goons had power and u never shied in misusing it.

    violence occurred only in Karachi because u and ur goons wanted to disrupt CJ’s visit any day of the year he would have planned to make.

    Whether the CJ is a man of good or bad deeds is totally out of the current crisis now, its about misusing your disgusting powers and creating chaos in our city.

    Even if he was politicizing the case, the government and MQM has no right to stop them by law, nor create obstacles in their trips.

  163. May 13th, 2007 1:18 pm

    MQM had the right to exist and be the voice of people who needed it, not be the voice of bullets , violence, force, juvenile motor bikers shooting AK47 everywhere.

    Now MQM just like PML(N) is so much in control of the government. two down a few more to go…!

  164. Adnan Ahmad says:
    May 13th, 2007 1:24 pm

    Asfandyar wali whom and whose politics I have never been fond of said it right that where should they go for justice when murderers are wearing gloves and playing the victim. About media giving limited coverage, people need to know the tacit power of mqm. No party in pakistan is good at crushing the opponents in a blood bath like mqm can. To the extent that in early 90s I personally met their “unit and sector in charge” men who were running from their cities claiming that mqm was killing its own low level office holders to get headlines in the papers. Some of them ran from their houses in hyderabad and karachi with just the clothes they were wearing in the middle of the day to live. And they were die hard mqm workers. Sometimes its hard to believe that a simple ISI idea to create a mullah (JI to be specific) neutralizing party in urban sindh (karachi, hyderabad, sukhur and mirpurkhas) in the mid 80s can go this far.

  165. Concerned Pakistani says:
    May 15th, 2007 12:01 am

    I just want to say that you guys at PAKISTANIAT are doing a great job by giving us this space of expression and by being fair and open.

    Please take care of yourself in these difficult times.

    The killing of teh deputy registrar yesterday was clearly an attempt to threaten those supporting the CJ. Sending message to journalists and lawyers that anyone supporting the CJ even mildly could be targetted.

  166. T.H. says:
    May 18th, 2007 11:54 am

    Excellent analysis. Good journalism. Worth seeing. Follow the ‘black car’:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=METr2vAtObs

  167. N.M Khan says:
    May 13th, 2007 2:20 pm

    All happened under the nose of the Govt, I have a few logical questions based on my observations, I hope anyone can answer them:

    1) How come the so called (un)known mis-chief makers managed to block the main Sharah-e-Faisal at FTC, Aisha Bawani and Gora Qabristain with long axle vehicles(Buses Tankers and Trucks) and made all the tires deflated right under the nose of the Saddar Police Station (which is opposite Gora Qabristan)? Probably they got a little too much at that night……..!
    2) Why the blockings were not removed on time to un-block the main artery of the city, which also leads to the biggest hospital in Karachi? I pray someone could stage the same while Mushy or Shuaki comes to Karachi.
    3) Why the police and rangers took no step to stop the clashes (reference point FTC, Police is under 100 meters while rangers were 200 meters away from the flashpoint?
    Perhaps they were waiting for Mushy to come so they can remove the baricades.
    4) Why Aaj TV did not zoom-in to capture the number plates of the vehicles used by the shooters and got the ammo from?Purpose to track down the culprits……?
    5) When Aaj TV’s office was under attack why the required protection was not sent in?
    6) Who has censored the newspapers and media not to report the events in their right and full context? Hiding the facts (Shahadats/witnesses) is also a sin.
    Many more questions but lets only focus on these.

  168. ANON says:
    May 13th, 2007 3:11 pm

    Altaf and company doesn’t get tired saying that we are against “jageerdarana nizaam” of Pakistan. But what about the jageerdaar in London who is there for the past 17 years and enjoying luxuries!
    Today I heard Dr. Farooq Sattar saying in the press conference that some some elements are trying to divide Karachi ethnically like 1986. I say it’s the MQM who first started it and they actually divided the Karachi ethnically otherwise before that we were living peacefully. People don’t have short memories and they still cannot forget “TV baicho Kalashinkov kharido”.
    If you want to read about MQM history visit the following page on Federation of American Scientist website:

    http://www.fas.org/irp/world/para/docs/yearwise_detail_mqm.htm

    It has yearwise detail of MQM atrocities right from 1986 to 1998.

  169. May 13th, 2007 4:10 pm

    I look at the sad faces of the grieving relatives of the dead, and of the dead themselves, and find myself asking how cheap we have made the blood of the same youth who are descendants of those who fought for freedom from colonizers. These pictures could have been taken in Iraq or Beirut, or name your favorite Muslim hot spot for troble, and we would barely recognize a difference. We are wasting, killing, our precious generations on our own streets…Our future may be drowing in their blood,and fleeing from our country, if we don’t put an end to this madness.

    http://bznotes.wordpress.com/2007/05/12/karachi-is-burning-a-political-and-security-crisis/

    I share Zia’s sentiment: â€

  170. Adnan Siddiqi says:
    May 13th, 2007 4:32 pm

    One thing which people didn’t discuss here and it’s happening in Karachi is Pathan-Mohajir clash. Today,most of the news I heard about clash were in pathan dominated areas like Qasba colony,orangi,pathan colony etc and it ahppeend all when MQM published pics of pathans “firing” on roads. Seriously, we can’t afford another “31st October” in Karachi.

    The most pathetic thing was severe violence at FB Area water pump where mobs burnt several shops of bamboos and several other shops. Most of constructed roads have been damaged. Mustafa Kamal should go to London and kiss the hands of his peer for his magic[Karamat] which changed entire city into Beirut in few minutes.

    I was reading on gEO, students of 9th class who are appearing in exams from 16th May have not got their admit cards yet. I can feel the pain as I also had gone painful moments in 94/95 when I was in college.

  171. May 13th, 2007 4:45 pm

    After looking into press brifing by Dr Farooq my comments are:

    what a hypocracy, pakistan is the only country where killers can hide their hand soaked with blood under white gloves.

    The Adobe photoshop edited photographs cant replace the images showed live on AAJ.

  172. May 13th, 2007 4:55 pm

    Can any body clarify me this news item which was:

    MQM claims that its 5 punjabi and 5 pathan activists were killed yesterday.

    If this is correct then MQM will claim 5 Balochies activists next time????.

  173. Shujaat Ameer says:
    May 13th, 2007 5:26 pm

    I was present at a huge rally mainly lead by ANP and PPP. The rally was entirely peaceful until the police (directed by MQM Govt.) refused to let them move towards the airport and started firing bullets and tear gas.
    The whole Govt. Machinery was used to make MQM rally a success and that of opposition a failure.

    What was the reason for MQM to hold a rally on the very same day!!!! CJ’s visit was announced much earlier and this too is irrelevant since MQM’s Wassim Akhtar had said on ARY TV that his party would hold a rally each day CJ and opposition decide to come to Karachi! So MQM themselves were and are looking for a confrontation!

    I tell you what…MQM along with Musharraf are really scared about the support CJ is getting and

    I had always been a strong supporter of MQM but this time they are not wrong side!!

    Down with Imperialism
    Down with dictatorship

  174. Ibrahim says:
    May 13th, 2007 5:33 pm

    Salamalikum,

    How can the murderers sleep at night for killing the innocents and carrying out andadhun firing!

    MQM has recruited many non-muhajirs to extend its popularity including pakhtoon and punjabis. And, it’s very surprising that these are the majority among MQM casualties.

    Adnan has raised a serious issue. This Pathan-Muhajir thing can quickly get out hand and has potential to be long and deadly conflict. I was too young in 1986 to remember anything but I’ve heard horrible things about that time. May Allah help us all and guide us to correct understanding of Islam so that we can avoid such heinous actions, ameen.

  175. Shujaat Ameer says:
    May 13th, 2007 5:36 pm

    I have been reading The News since its inception and it has always taken sides. First with Benazir during the reign of Dr. Maleeha Lodhi and then with Musharraf. It was never a neutral newspaper.[/quote]

    Then why are you still reading it?
    And what other news sources do you suggest? MQM.ORG??

  176. Shujaat Ameer says:
    May 13th, 2007 5:48 pm

    [quote comment="47142"]Salamalikum,

    How can the murderers sleep at night for killing the innocents and carrying out andadhun firing!

    MQM has recruited many non-muhajirs to extend its popularity including pakhtoon and punjabis. And, it’s very surprising that these are the majority among MQM casualties.

    Adnan has raised a serious issue. This Pathan-Muhajir thing can quickly get out hand and has potential to be long and deadly conflict. I was too young in 1986 to remember anything but I’ve heard horrible things about that time. May Allah help us all and guide us to correct understanding of Islam so that we can avoid such heinous actions, ameen.[/quote]

    If you have not read any thing about it then you should along with Adnan…
    At that time it was the other way around…
    The riots were connected to military crackdown in Sohrab Goth, against heroin and weapons trafficking

  177. Shujaat Ameer says:
    May 13th, 2007 6:02 pm

    [quote comment="47015"][quote comment="47013"]Now that everyone else is hating MQM, MQM needs the General even more. The General now has MQM where he wants.[/quote]
    very interesting,
    and i guess no more united opposition either.
    Imran Khan and co stranded.[/quote]

    This indeed very true…
    Good comment

  178. Shujaat Ameer says:
    May 13th, 2007 6:06 pm

    I was present at a huge rally mainly lead by ANP and PPP. The rally was entirely peaceful until the police (directed by MQM Govt.) refused to let them move towards the airport and started firing bullets and tear gas.
    The whole Govt. Machinery was used to make MQM rally a success and that of opposition a failure.

    What was the reason for MQM to hold a rally on the very same day!!!! CJ’s visit was announced much earlier and this too is irrelevant since MQM’s Wassim Akhtar had said on ARY TV that his party would hold a rally each day CJ and opposition decide to come to Karachi! So MQM themselves were and are looking for a confrontation!

    I tell you what…MQM along with Musharraf are really scared about the support CJ is getting and

    I had always been a strong supporter of MQM but this time they are “on” the wrong side!!

    Down with Imperialism
    Down with dictatorship

  179. Tamashbeen says:
    May 13th, 2007 8:51 pm

    It seems like a very calculated move by Musharraf and the butcher Altaf. The move seems to be taken directly from Zia’s book of dirty tricks. Altaf has probably sensed weakening of its support in the masses after being in power for all this time and not delivering anything to the people. So Altaf goes back to the ways that made him and his bunch of terrorists successful in the early days. Having grown up in Karachi, I would not be surprised if he still pulls it off.

  180. Lahori says:
    May 17th, 2007 10:02 pm

    Well speaking of Aaj, it seems that Dawn is coming out with an English channel of its own. Wonder how that will shake things up.

  181. Eidee Man says:
    May 14th, 2007 12:24 am

    [quote comment="47057"]Frankly, I think some of the discussion about News etc. is silly… or you think you can just pressure and intimidate it by these silly comments.

    The web page really doesn’t matter and the breaking news there is not by importance it is in the order of which news is received when. Second, if you look at the real newspaper today and the main news items at the top of the page it is clear that the newspaper is doing good and bold reporting and clearly focussed on the killings and clearly blaming the sitting Sindh govt of MQM for it. The problem with you ‘keyboard pundits’ is that you cant even take the trouble of looking at the real newspaper and just need something to rant about. The danger is that you will even lose the respect of those journalists who are doing something real in this battle for democracy.[/quote]

    Yes, it is fair for you to criticize us, especially ones like myself who do not even use their real name when posting on websites.

    However, your claims that your “The News” organization and the Jang group is taking an unbiased approach would be UTTERLY LAUGHABLE if the crimes committed on that tragic day were not so heinous.

    As of right now, your website has only one story about this incident which reads “Altaf sees terrorism plot behind Karachi violence.” The MQM thugs brutally massacre scores of people and you’re getting the butcher-in-chief’s perspective??

    Go back to journalism school…you aren’t even half-baked yet.

  182. Sophaeyyah says:
    May 14th, 2007 2:50 am

    اعجاز Ù…Û

  183. Sophaeyyah says:
    May 14th, 2007 3:40 am

    ARMY RULES……………….OVER THE BLOOD OF ITS OWN PEOPLE. GETTING MORE THAN 70%of PAKISTAN’S BUDGET THEY ARE NOT YET SATISFIED. SO WHAT IF BLOOD IS FLOWING ON STREETS OF KARACHI MUSHI N HIS THUGS ARE IN POWER. WHAT MATTER’S MORE. 16 CRORE KI ABADI MAIN 36 KAM HONE KA KOI NUKSAN TAU NAHI HAINA.

  184. Adnan Siddiqi says:
    May 14th, 2007 4:03 am

    It’s amazing to how a “MAN IN BLACK” drove entire govt machinry crazy including Musharraf. I just read news that Justice Flak sher refused to take part in hearing. I don’t know why.

  185. omar r. quraishi says:
    May 14th, 2007 5:21 am

    eidee and observer stop your lies

  186. omar r. quraishi says:
    May 14th, 2007 5:23 am

    eidee and observer — what website have you been reading — today’s May 14′s has several stories on the violence — most of them not favourable to the MQM or the govt — open your eyes — or maybe you dont want to see

    Check out the following — all from May 14

    http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=55835

    http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=7815

    http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=55804

    http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=55802

  187. omar r. quraishi says:
    May 14th, 2007 5:25 am
  188. omar r. quraishi says:
    May 14th, 2007 5:27 am
  189. omar r. quraishi says:
    May 14th, 2007 5:28 am
  190. omar r. quraishi says:
    May 14th, 2007 5:29 am

    and the editorial

    Unanswered questions

    With the death toll now 36 and still rising, hundreds injured and extensive property damage instigated by organized groups of armed men, the blame game has already begun. The opposition and the lawyers’ groups are accusing the government of deliberately unleashing the violence to undermine their movement. The government and MQM have pointed their fingers at the opposition, the lawyers and the chief justice for provoking the unfortunate events by not heeding their calls to stay away. On Sunday evening, the contrast between the huge government rally and the distressing scenes across much of Karachi with a stream of dead bodies arriving at hospitals couldn’t be starker. President Musharraf and MQM chief Altaf Hussain both blamed the chief justice and the opposition parties for the violence. The president, yet again, asked lawyers not to turn what he said was a purely constitutional matter into a political campaign, perhaps not realizing that he and his government had in fact set the ball rolling and had compounded matters by answering the opposition’s politics with politics of their own.

    As for the MQM chief, he was more forthright in his speech at his party’s rally saying that his party would support the chief justice if he first resigned from his post and then entered the political arena. The Sindh government’s home affairs advisor, under whose jurisdiction comes the provincial police, also blamed the chief justice for coming to Karachi and provoking the violence. Certain uncharitable remarks were also made against the chief justice implying that while Karachi was burning he was comfortably ensconced inside the VIP lounge of the airport. However, this ignores the fact that he was very much willing to travel to the high court bar to deliver his address but that the provincial government was clearly unable to guarantee his safety. Furthermore, to blame Justice Chaudhry’s visit and his failure to heed the federal government’s ‘advice’ not to travel to Karachi for the violence in the city is an indirect admission by Islamabad that whatever happened on Saturday was either pre-planned to begin with or that control over the city’s law and order was beyond the writ of the state. After all, the city is big enough to accommodate at least two rallies in a way that their paths do not cross and that confrontation is kept to a minimum. This did not happen but what took place that day let ultimately to a bloodbath.

    The weekend’s deadly events, which reminded one of Karachi’s bloody days in the early nineties, raise several questions and answers are needed. Why did the police and the Rangers fail to take action to prevent the carnage? Who ordered the barricading of the city’s main artery and several other roads and for what purpose? Who were the heavily armed groups of armed men wandering about boisterously around the city on that fateful day? What was achieved by preventing the chief justice’s reception at the Sindh High Court bar? Is there any truth in the MQM’s claim that the opposition is out to destabilize the city as part of a sinister conspiracy? Do the federal and Sindh governments think that what happened on Saturday was in the interest of the country, especially considering that the centre considers Karachi to be the lynchpin of its claimed economic turnaround and ongoing recovery?

    And finally, what message is given to ordinary Pakistanis, the outside world and those behind the violence when the state chooses to abdicate from its duty to provide security to its citizens in as blatant a manner as seen over the weekend? All this reflects poorly on the government of the day – but instead of admitting that matters were badly handled one finds all the blame is being deflected elsewhere. As a spiral of violence threatens to engulf the city once again, it is time for cool-headed introspection from all those behind the terrible events of that bloody Saturday.

  191. Adnan Siddiqi says:
    May 14th, 2007 6:00 am

    How true is Abdul Qadir Hasan!!

    tinyurl.com/yuw4z7

    If Karachi really belonged to MQM then they would have trust their awam and wouldnt have create Obstacles for Chief. The demonstrtion by MQM clearly shows that they are not popular in Awam. very true!

  192. Uzma says:
    May 24th, 2007 3:25 am

    Prof. Najam, saw your excelent essay on 5/12 posted on Naseeb Vibes, but not here. why?

    http://www.naseeb.com/naseebvibes/

  193. Adnan Ahmad says:
    May 14th, 2007 2:17 pm

    Folks tell me there were times in pre 86 karachi when one could stand in a place like laaloo khait or paaposh nagar at 3 in the morning with friends chatting and not worry about safety. I ask what has MQM given this city in the last 20 years?

    Here is an almost classic, pertinent poem from Obaidullah Aleem written for an other dark chapter in our history. It hurts to write that this applies to karachi as well of any day in the last 20 years.

    Main ye kis ke naam likhoon jo alamm guzar rahay hain
    Mere shehar jal rahay hain,mere log marr rahay hain

    Koi guncha ho ke gul ho,koi shaakh ho shajar ho
    Wo hawaa-e-gulistaan hai ke sabhi bikhar rahay hain

    Kabhi rehmatain thi nazil issi khita-e-zamee’n par
    Wohi khitta-e-zamee’n hai ke azaab utar rahay hain

    Wohi taairo’n ke jhurmut jo hawa main jhooltay thay
    Wo fizaa ko dekhtay hain to ab aah bhar rahay hain

    Bari aarzoo thi humko naye khaab dekhnay ki
    So ab apni zindagi main naye khaab bhar rahay hain

    KOI aur to Nahi hai pass-e-khanjar aazmaai
    HAMEE QATAL KAR RAHAY HAIN,HAMEE QATAL HORAHAY HAIN!!!!!!

  194. maniza says:
    May 14th, 2007 2:29 pm

    14 May 2007
    The Daily Telegraph
    001
    English
    (c) 2007 Telegraph Group Limited, London
    THE MAN in charge of Pakistan’s largest city, Karachi, was at his usual command-and-control post at the weekend: a sofa in north London.
    As his fiefdom descended into brutal violence, with the deaths of at least 40 people reported amid the worst political bloodshed Pakistan has witnessed in years, Altaf Hussain directed his followers by telephone from a safe place more than 5,000 miles away.
    His headquarters, or “international secretariat”, is not in the Pakistani port city but housed in a red-brick office block opposite a supermarket on Edgware High Street.
    Followers of Mr Hussain, 53, whose Muttahida Quami Movement (MQM) is allied to President Pervez Musharraf’s government, were accused yesterday of playing a bloody part in the clashes with opposition supporters.
    But in an interview with The Daily Telegraph, Mr Hussain insisted that they held a “completely peaceful gathering” and that it was opposition supporters who provoked the violence, in which at least nine MQM activists were killed. When reports of the killings
    reached Edgware on Saturday morning, Mr Hussain was preparing to address the party by telephone. Three hours later, he defied what he called “agitators” by leaning over the loudspeaker of his phone to speak to his supporters.
    Opposition activists loyal to Benazir Bhutto were staging their own anti-government rally when the violence began.
    But Mr Hussain said: “It was a completely peaceful gathering by MQM supporters that was targeted by a collaboration of three other parties.”
    He said he had called for peace. But as tens of thousands of his followers sat cross-legged in reverential silence as they listened to their leader’s telephonic address relayed by loudspeakers, in another street armed MQM activists fired directly into the crowds of opposition protesters.
    Mr Hussain, who founded the MQM in 1984 specifically to represent the Mohajirs – Muslim refugees from India – has lived in Britian since arriving in 1992 for a kidney operation. He has since become a British citizen, while his party governs five cities and the populous Sindh province.
    He claimed yesterday that his party is the only force to stand up for secular values in Pakistan. “MQM is the only party against all sorts of religious fanaticism in Pakistan,” he said. “It is these groups and their influence, which is all around, that is stopping me coming home. A sizeable majority of the army even have been brainwashed to supporting what the Taliban wants to impose.”
    Mr Hussain, who spent part of yesterday speaking on the telephone to Gen Musharraf, warned Pakistan’s leader not to make any deals with exiled leaders, such as his rival Miss Bhutto, that would see the military ruler resign from the army.
    Pakistan faces a referendum on Gen Musharraf’s rule before the end of the year and he has promised to abandon his uniform before the poll.
    “The situation in South Asia does not allow Pervez Musharraf to take off his uniform, for without it he will have no power at all. Because of activities next door in Afghanistan as well as our own country, the Taliban is growing very strong,” Mr Hussain said.
    “He is doing his level best to fight these groups. Musharraf is a very brave man. Only he can prevent the Talibanisation of Pakistan.”
    Unlike the former prime ministers Nawaz Sharif and Miss Bhutto, Mr Hussain is an exile whose party has consolidated its grip. But Karachi remains tense.
    The MQM’s most senior leader in Pakistan, Farooq Sattar, said: “The opposition wants to show that Karachi does not belong to the MQM. We have accepted the challenge.”
    Mr Hussain is one of the Indian subcontinent’s more unusual leaders. His political addresses by telephone have been known to last up to four hours, while a Western diplomat in Pakistan described the MQM as “something out of Chicago – nobody leaves the party”.
    While Mr Hussain promotes the party as a secular cause and courts the middle-class vote, some of his supporters are known to extort a goonda, or thug, tax from Karachi businesses.
    Mr Hussain, who once drove a taxi in Chicago for a living, micro-manages the MQM with acute attention to detail.
    The movement runs on Greenwich Mean Time with some of his ministers in Pakistan fielding hour-long telephone calls into the early hours.
    Mr Sattar admitted that his party’s image had been tarnished by “accusations of fascism and terrorism” but said this was a “misperception”.
    Some observers argue that in the tough city of Karachi the MQM has given a vulnerable group protection and a voice.
    After Mr Hussain left Pakistan, an army operation was launched against his party during which hundreds of its workers were either killed by police or were arrested on charges of terrorism. He has no plans to return to Pakistan.
    When asked why Mr Hussain was not deported to Pakistan before he was granted citizenship, a British diplomat said: “He has not committed a crime on British soil.”
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    190 words
    14 May 2007
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    (c) 2007 Associated Newspapers. All rights reserved
    THE London-based leader of a Pakistani political party today denied his group had provoked violence in Karachi in which 40 people died.
    Altaf Hussain, 53, founder of the Muttahida Qaumi Movement, spoke as shops in Pakistan’s biggest city were closed and streets empty in the wake of this weekend’s violence, which also left about 150 wounded.
    The unrest was triggered by the suspension of Pakistan’s most senior judge, Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry, by the president, General Pervez Musharraf, who is facing a referendum on his rule.
    The sacking became a focus for protesters trying to end military rule, and the judge had been due in Karachi as opposition groups organised rallies. The MQM backs General Mu-sharraf and the opposition ac-cuses it of starting the violence.
    But Mr Hussain, who runs the party from Edgware High Street, said: ‘It was a completely peaceful gathering by MQM supporters targeted by a collaboration of three other parties.’ Mr Hussain, whose party runs Sind province, has lived in Britain since 1992 and is now a UK citizen.

    News: International:
    Musharraf’s power is fading as violent gangs roam the streets
    By Isambard Wilkinson in Karachi
    448 words
    14 May 2007
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    (c) 2007 Telegraph Group Limited, London
    PAKISTAN’S president, Gen Pervez Musharraf, was facing a political crisis last night after violence claimed the lives of at least 40 people when pro-government militants opened fire on an opposition rally at the weekend.
    Running gun-battles erupted on the streets of Karachi, Pakistan’s largest city, on Saturday when armed activists from the city’s ruling party, the Muttahida Qaumi Movement (MQM), a coalition ally of Gen Musharraf, blocked an anti-government rally.
    Pro-government and opposition groups blamed each other yesterday for the worst political violence in Pakistan for years as at least three more people were killed and riots and looting spread.
    Troop reinforcements were despatched to Karachi and the provincial governor ordered paramilitary forces to shoot any “miscreants” on sight.
    It was the bloodiest episode in a two-month-long challenge by lawyers and opposition parties to an attempt by the military ruler to sack Pakistan’s chief justice.
    The MQM, on the orders of its leader Altaf Hussain, staged a “counter rally” to coincide with a visit to Karachi by the suspended chief justice, Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry, who has defied the president’s demands for his resignation.
    As several opposition rallies got under way, armed activists from the MQM opened fire on protesters.
    Dead bodies were left where they fell for hours in Karachi’s humid streets.
    In the city’s Jinnah Hospital yesterday, Adil Bashir, 23, was recovering from three bullet wounds after narrowly escaping a street execution.
    He said he had not taken part in the rally but was rounded up by armed, teenage MQM activists along with four others. He alleged that he and others were lined up against a wall before being sprayed with automatic gunfire. He and one other survived.
    Farhatullah Babar, a spokesman for the opposition Pakistan Peoples’ Party, said: “We condemn this mayhem and we believe that the MQM could not have done it without the active support of General Pervez Musharraf.”
    The New York-based group Human Rights Watch accused the Pakistan government of “fomenting the violence”.
    The actions of the MQM may have been not so much a sign of support for the eight-year rule Gen Musharraf, but a demonstration of its own power in what could be the first round of a new turf war in Karachi.
    Gen Musharraf’s options are becoming more and more limited as he struggles to have himself re-elected and to continue as army chief.
    His bargaining position for striking a possible power-sharing deal with the PPP leader, Benazir Bhutto, appears to be growing weaker.
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    Pakistan Islamist demands extradition of political leader from UK
    527 words
    14 May 2007
    06:22
    BBC Monitoring South Asia
    English
    (c) 2007 The British Broadcasting Corporation. All Rights Reserved. No material may be reproduced except with the express permission of The British Broadcasting Corporation.
    Text of report by Pakistani newspaper The News website on 14 May
    [Report by Muhammad Anis: "Qazi demands Altaf's extradition from UK"]
    ISLAMABAD: Muttahida Majlis-e-Amal President Qazi Hussain Ahmad on Sunday demanded extradition of Muttahida chief Altaf Hussain from England.
    “The Pakistan government should demand extradition of Altaf Hussain from the UK government for his involvement in killings of innocent people in Karachi,” Qazi said while addressing a public meeting here at Karachi Company (G-9 Markaz) held in connection with observance of a black day against the May 12 Karachi bloodshed.
    MNA Mian Muhammad Aslam, MPA Dr Waqas, Jamaat-e-Islami Islamabad chief Syed Muhammad Bilal and other leaders also addressed the public meeting.
    The protest programmes, including rallies and demonstrations, were also held in other parts of the country to mark the black day.
    Qazi said Pakistan and the UK governments had signed an extradition treaty for extradition of persons wanted in terrorism and heinous crimes from other’s country.
    “Altaf Hussain’s extradition should be demanded under the same agreement,” he said, adding that the Muttahida was not a political party; rather, it was a group prospering under the patronage of a dictator.
    The MMA president, however, said the Musharraf government would not do so, as both General Musharraf and Altaf Hussain are following the same agenda of making Pakistan a secular country and dividing people on linguistic and sectarian basis.
    He said the whole nation was shocked over what had happened in Karachi on Saturday, saying that the blood of dozens of innocent people was shed under a planned conspiracy.
    “Both Musharraf and the Muttahida are breathing their last and the nation will soon get rid of them,” Qazi said, adding the policies of the government were taking the country towards anarchy to find a reason for imposition of emergency in the country.
    “Any emergency or martial law is not the solution to the crisis in the country; rather, it can be done only with the supremacy of Constitution of Islamic Republic of Pakistan,” he said.
    Qazi said the opposition parties would continue their struggle against President Musharraf. He said the whole nation would observe a complete shutter-down today (Monday) against the killing of innocent people in Karachi.
    Later, Mian Muhammad Aslam led a rally of MMA activists to all shopping areas of the city to ask traders to fully observe shutter-down today.
    Nisar Mahmood adds from Peshawar: MMA President Qazi Hussain Ahmad on Sunday held the federal government and Muttahida Qaumi Movement responsible for the Karachi carnage and called for removal of the regime.
    After Karachi bloodshed, there is no justification for the president and federal cabinet to remain in office, he said.
    The joint opposition, comprising the Alliance for the Restoration of Democracy, Muttahida Majlis-e-Amal, Pakistan Oppressed Nations Movement, Awami National Party, Pakhtunkhwa Milli Awami Party and Pakistan Tehrik-e-Insaf, had agreed in principle to observe a strike today against the killing of innocent people, Qazi said while addressing a news conference here.

  195. Adnan Siddiqi says:
    May 14th, 2007 3:27 pm

    [quote post="701"]The MQM’s most senior leader in Pakistan, Farooq Sattar, said: “The opposition wants to show that Karachi does not belong to the MQM. We have accepted the challenge.’’[/quote]

    says all.

    could you provide the URL?

  196. May 14th, 2007 3:39 pm

    Dear Nation, AOA,

    This is not the pakistan . this is a place where a muslim in now not willing to live any more. Iam a lecturer in SSUET karachi . ask from me the situation of the Next – Generation. they are telling to the whole new upcomming students that we dont want to live in pakistan, and we dont want to serve this country as, this country is now full of currouption, terrisum, and source.

    Now this is enough, and the engough is engough, My God have u seen the thoughts and all wants to go to Australia , Japan ,and now in China . as they also knows that it is a big populated country. but they says that “Its ok Sir, but that would be not a living hell like Pakistan, aur hum kutch tou kaam aur koi na koi job kar leyngay. !!”.

    GOD helps us . Iam word less now. I feel that you should also feel my expression and the moments that iam listening these arugments ,now a days daily.

    regards,
    Engr.Murtaza Hussain
    Lecturer,
    SSUET – Karachi.

  197. AAMIR says:
    May 14th, 2007 5:02 pm

    GOD SAVE KARACHI (ameen)

  198. Ibrahim says:
    May 14th, 2007 5:56 pm

    Salamalikum,

    People really need to read this very sad article on BBC Urdu originally posted by Jamal Shamsi at KMB:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/urdu/miscellaneous/story/2007/05/070514_altaf_hussain_rza.shtml

    It doesn’t tell anything new but give some basic details about origins of MQM, etc and its aftermath.

    It reconfirmed what I had learned from elders and other people in Karachi. MQM turned people of Karachi who used to vote/support religious parties (for whatever reason—lack of another party to support??), didn’t show a lot animosity and a qaum that سات دÙ

  199. Neena says:
    May 14th, 2007 10:20 pm

    Two major groups are angry at each other. What next? Hope history doesn’t repeat itself.

  200. Neena says:
    May 14th, 2007 10:30 pm

    Pakistani elected leaders are fighting:D so as long as they are doing it inside the assemblies, they don’t have to engage in street violence. I guess all is good.

  201. Adnan Siddiqi says:
    May 15th, 2007 1:20 am

    Ibrahim, I was going to post same link but thankfully I already read your post. Whatever mentioned in the article is not enough. If you listen early addresses of Altaf then he himself used to say things which are in article.

    I wish Altaf wouldn’t have come back from dhaka.

  202. Eidee Man says:
    May 15th, 2007 1:27 am

    [quote comment="47315"]Two major groups are angry at each other. What next? Hope history doesn’t repeat itself.[/quote]

    Again, seems like you’re in need of some professional help. Two groups are not merely fighting against each other. A bunch of terrorists are killing other people….denial!

  203. Adnan Siddiqi says:
    May 15th, 2007 1:27 am

    پولیس Ú©ÙˆÛ

  204. Adnan Siddiqi says:
    May 15th, 2007 2:01 am

    How can KArachi prosper when I read such painful news?

    tinyurl.com/2mahho

  205. Mubashir Khan says:
    May 15th, 2007 2:32 am

    What happened in Karachi just leaves one speechless. It is terrible! Point blank shooting of innocent caught in the fray and the LEAs and others looked on. I am ashamed to call myself a Pakistani. Watching all the videos and photos makes my blood cuddle. There is no hope for this country.

  206. Adnan Siddiqi says:
    May 15th, 2007 2:33 am

    AAJ TV related:

    1)the car of anchor who was reading news. She couldnt continue after watching all this:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVqP1LDJHyA

    2)Another:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHAKQWjwYq0

  207. ALI ABBAS says:
    May 15th, 2007 6:30 am

    ASSALAM.O.ALAIKUM TO ALL….
    well i write comments here with lots of tears,jo hua hai woh nahin huna chaye tha..thiz is really enough or ab peshawer main bomb blast
    ALLAH REHAM KARAY OR HUMARAY SIYASAT DANON KO AQAL DAY

  208. Saad says:
    May 15th, 2007 6:33 am

    A better version of the video posted by Adnan.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMr–dlHQps

  209. Abdullah says:
    May 15th, 2007 7:30 am

    Please give attention to my post,

    According to relaible sources Talat Hussain of Aaj TV is in Great threat from MQM, Kindly SMS him on 0300-8509880 & show solidarity with him.

    Keep in mind, if we all start calling him, a mess can be creat, so pls just “SMS” him

    Forward this message to others & SMS him right now.

  210. Farhan says:
    May 15th, 2007 8:30 am

    I like the term Aitezaz Ahsan coined

    MQM = Musharraf Qatil Movement :)

  211. Neena says:
    May 15th, 2007 9:38 am

    [quote post="701"]Again, seems like you’re in need of some professional help. Two groups are not merely fighting against each other. A bunch of terrorists are killing other people….denial![/quote]

    Didn’t like my comment- so don’t, but Please refrain from personal attacks!!!

  212. baber says:
    May 15th, 2007 1:51 pm

    Finally! people have seen the real face of MQM and their quaid (Altaf).
    How can born pakistanies call themself Mohajirs, if they are mohajir then they are not pakistani atleast literally you can’t be by the defination of native. Anyway..
    I saw their real face when I saw their gundagardi in Colleges and University in Karachi. They would beat up teenager not shy to slap girls in public either, oh yeah at times they would beat up professors. I saw all this in SSUET, how could i have lived in place where even private colleges are not safe. Remember this party runs on “batah” and “chanda”, they are looters, murders and abducters. How can people support such a party?
    Prof Engr.Murtaza Hussain your students and you must have seen all this over the years.
    One of their slogans was….
    Karachi may rehnah hay
    Jiya Mohajir Kehna hay

    Let me repharse Meers poetry
    Karachi jo ek sher tah Alam may intikab
    usko Altaf nay looth kay veeran kardiya

  213. Adnan Siddiqi says:
    May 16th, 2007 1:18 am

    Jin pe Takya thaa wohi patay hawa deyney lagay

    tinyurl.com/2rfo8g

    tinyurl.com/ysxqzj

  214. Adnan Siddiqi says:
    May 16th, 2007 1:19 am

    BTW, i Love this header. may this cute kids keep similing forever-Ameen

  215. zakoota says:
    May 16th, 2007 2:13 am

    [quote comment="47296"][quote post="701"]The MQM’s most senior leader in Pakistan, Farooq Sattar, said: “The opposition wants to show that Karachi does not belong to the MQM. We have accepted the challenge.’’[/quote]

    says all.

    could you provide the URL?[/quote]

    Adnan, this  said this on ARY news.

  216. Adnan Siddiqi says:
    May 16th, 2007 3:50 am

    Khaloo Musharraf Behak gayee hain!

    tinyurl.com/2xteuh

  217. Rehman Malik says:
    May 16th, 2007 5:31 am

    I specially request the People of karachi to refrain of joining any political party. They all are same. None of leader was killed in the attack.May Allah brings brotherhood in the People of Pakistan.
    Pakistan Zindabaad

  218. Saad says:
    May 16th, 2007 6:11 am

    After reading the news clippings that Adnan posted, it almost feels like MQM was behaving like a spoilt brat in the meeting and asking for a bit of pampering from their Godfather, quite literally :D

  219. Akbar A. says:
    May 17th, 2007 5:55 pm

    This too shall pass. Such is our reality. We get used to things, even bad things.

  220. omar r. quraishi says:
    May 18th, 2007 3:49 am

    lahori — welcome to the real world — this is old news — geo is also in its final stages of launching a TV channel

    ORQ

  221. Adnan Siddiqi says:
    May 18th, 2007 6:49 am
  222. observer says:
    May 19th, 2007 4:24 am

    Thanks Adnan for posting these links.

    I have watched these links which shows flagrant violation of law. Who are they? Poor Talat was finding it difficult to pinpoint them for the reasons every one knows. But, I have no hesitation to say that they were MQM operatives.

    I got chill in spine when I saw a blue government car with a siren lamp on its top. What does it indicate? This car undoubtedly was a government vehicle and was being used to ferry automatic weapons to these thugs.

    The other thing which is noticeable and clearly shows collusion between the Sindh Government and so-called law enforcement agencies. One could see Rangers and police vans in the midst of gunmen.

    How on earth MQM propagandist leaders could throw dust in the eyes of public and boldy tell the journalists that MQM had no hand in that.

    These footages are beyond reach of Altaf Hussain and his propagandists and they can not be deleted and these very footages will be used as evidence one Altaf’s great supporter Musharraf shows his back.

    You must have also seen how a young man in blue T-Shirt is being brutally beaten by police and others.

  223. Khalid says:
    May 20th, 2007 8:10 am

    Let’s be honest here and stop falling for the Opposition’s cries, lead by the two most corrupt and incompetent leaders in our time.

    Just look at how prepared the Opposition came, with bus loads of Pakhtoons. Watch this video carefully:

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=KA4gMh_uO-0

  224. HAQ PARAST says:
    May 23rd, 2007 12:57 pm

    haq parast here:
    for all the aligations u all r posing on MQM, u should better know that MQM is most loved n respected party of karachi. not by violence!!!!! and its a reality u should all respect n except it!!!!! from all the progressive work going on in karachi, i should ask u people, who has done this for karachi, since 1947?????
    that leader of ppp sheri rahman, today media have seen that how n who was firing from that stupid’s car??????? y chief justice won’t go back??????? AAJ tv personal said that they have been attacked, but as the time passed by, they said “we were cought in b/t cross firing” y they did’nt said the truth in the first place!!!! shame on AAJ tv!!!!!! every media person used the word “CROSS FIRING”, if MQM is at one place, who is on the other side?????? me n including millions of others r still in great PASSION n LOVE with MUTTAHIDA QUAMI MOVEMENT. people like u have placed the alligations before, n now looking at one side of story, u have established another story. does’nt matter!!!!! Muttahida is n INSHA’ALLAH will forever be a emmense power..!!!! may ALLAH help Muttahida n its beloved leadership… A’ameen

  225. Karachite says:
    May 24th, 2007 12:43 am

    As our city begins to get back to normal I think it is the responsibility of ordinary people to build the civil society in the city so that it is taken away from political parties and returned to citizens. Civil society is the only solution, though activities, business, arts, civic life. We become too political in everything.

  226. HAQ PARAST says:
    May 23rd, 2007 1:38 pm

    i m really amazed the facts u have got mr “observer” n mr “edii”!!!!! r u people from the opposition’s side.

  227. HAQ PARAST says:
    May 23rd, 2007 1:47 pm

    i was really amazed when i saw the footage of the ‘real massacre’!!!! everyone was blaming it to mqm but now as the dust have settled, its clear who’s behind it. no opposition perty wants karachi to progress, so they tend to ruin the peace over here! and its true that only biggest party of karachi is MQM! every one has to except it! yeah, its true….

  228. HAQ PARAST says:
    May 23rd, 2007 1:56 pm

    if MQM wants to surpress their opponents by power and they had to do it on 12th of may, how could the opposition came prepared with assult rifels and pistols? it was a preplanned conspiracy against MQM! in my opinion, MQM did their best to control the situation.

  229. Nasir says:
    May 23rd, 2007 2:32 pm

    How did MQM try to control the situation but not letting police and rangers stop the massacre? By making police actually help and patrol along with MQM ghunday? If MQM is not guilty why is MQM changing stories every day? Good one “HAQ PARAST”

  230. Nasir says:
    May 24th, 2007 5:20 am

    [quote comment="48228"]We become too political in everything.[/quote]

    Karachite, that is exactly why politics is there so we don’t have to resort to violence. It’s the insistence of MQM on not allowing peaceful political activities that has caused the current problem ….just like Jamaat Islami used to do before MQM. It seems whoever is in power does not want to play fairly.

  231. Haider Ali Khan says:
    May 25th, 2007 8:45 pm

    Pakistani establishment oposition parties and former cheif justice of Pakistan Iftikhar Chudhry are responsible of 12th may tragedy

  232. MB says:
    May 26th, 2007 1:36 pm

    Prof. wrote an article in THE NEWS today

    http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=56224

  233. Ahmad R. Shahid says:
    May 26th, 2007 6:29 pm

    [quote comment="47298"]Dear Nation, AOA,

    This is not the pakistan . this is a place where a muslim in now not willing to live any more. Iam a lecturer in SSUET karachi . ask from me the situation of the Next – Generation. they are telling to the whole new upcomming students that we dont want to live in pakistan, and we dont want to serve this country as, this country is now full of currouption, terrisum, and source.

    Now this is enough, and the engough is engough, My God have u seen the thoughts and all wants to go to Australia , Japan ,and now in China . as they also knows that it is a big populated country. but they says that “Its ok Sir, but that would be not a living hell like Pakistan, aur hum kutch tou kaam aur koi na koi job kar leyngay. !!”.

    GOD helps us . Iam word less now. I feel that you should also feel my expression and the moments that iam listening these arugments ,now a days daily.

    regards,
    Engr.Murtaza Hussain
    Lecturer,
    SSUET – Karachi.[/quote]

    Frankly speaking I don’t find any wrong with people wanting to go abroad. Pakistan is not just the neighbor of India, Afghanistan and Iran but also millions living abroad. Call it Greater Pakistan, if you like.

  234. mazhar butt says:
    May 27th, 2007 6:52 pm

    I regret to note that my comments have been deleted from this page. seems the moderator didn’t like them. That’s not fair .

  235. Adnan Siddiqi says:
    May 28th, 2007 2:14 am

    MQM’s BEST KEPT SECRET

    tinyurl.com/2732z2

  236. mazhar butt says:
    May 28th, 2007 3:34 pm

    It is surprising to note that despite the carnage of May 12 in Karachi and the ongoing judicial and political crisis in the country, the intellectuals and the sages of the land are hibernating and have shown no sign of their presence nor lent their voice to atone the present commotion.. This is very unbecoming of them and shows their lack of ability and apathy in adjudging and commenting on right and wrong. I must however, commend the bard , Ahmad Faraz, for playing his part of the role, whatsoever. Will the so-called intellectuals and scholars of our country, who ordinarily surge around the media, put up courage and come out of their hide outs and guide the nation and its rulers with their views and suggestions on saving the prevailing situation?

    Mazhar Butt

  237. slim says:
    May 29th, 2007 11:56 pm

    I think that we should think as human beings and this was a human tragedy. At least show some grief for those who died.

  238. Sanwal says:
    May 29th, 2007 12:20 pm

    For any MQM die hard fans who think its just opposition supporters blaming MQM may I suggest reading some International or Independent newspapers or magazines.

    Most of them do refer MQM as a Mafia type organization:
    For Example:
    http://www.economist.com/displayStory.cfm?story_id=9177073&fsrc=RSS

    MQM plays the Race card in the elections. This is a great card, worked for OJ also in his murder trial. Worked for Governers of Alabama and Mississpi in 60′s also.
    I am from Punjab and all my life I have supported a Sindhi Shaheed and so did lot of Urdu speaking. I now support a Tiger from Mianwali who prides in being a Pushtoon Niazi.
    When enough of urdu speaking people will look beyond race and judge the leaders by merit, MQM will not stand a chance.

  239. Nasir says:
    May 30th, 2007 4:37 am

    Cat is out of the bag…

    Zia formed the MQM: General Beg

    In an interview to Murtaza Solangi of the Voice of America, Gen Beg said “most certainlyâ€

  240. Nasir says:
    May 30th, 2007 5:06 am

    Now the governor is trying to put pressure on
    Sindh High Court judges;

    http://jang.com.pk/jang/may2007-daily/30-05-2007/up25.gif

  241. mazhar butt says:
    June 1st, 2007 5:05 pm

    and now the media is going to suffer the consequences of all happenings in Karachi and Pakistan,,,,God bless us all !

  242. Aiymen Rashed says:
    June 3rd, 2007 7:31 pm

    http://www.arabnews.com/?page=4&section=0&article=97029&d=4&m=6&y=2007

    Altaf Is a Mafia Don, Says Ahsan Rashid

    By Siraj Wahab
    sirajwahab@arabnews.com

    Published in Arab News on June 4, 2007.

    JEDDAH, 4 June 2007 â€

  243. Hussain Khariq says:
    June 10th, 2007 6:24 pm

    Imran has said nothing but the truth regarding MQM. MQM Mafia responds by alleging that Imran fornicated in his youth. Well, let’s suppose that is true, is a man you committed zina in the folly of his youth and is now repentant the moral equivalent of murderous gangsters who have terrorised a city for two whole decades?
    Didn’t Altaf sound like hysterical Mulla in Muharram?

  244. Mirza says:
    June 16th, 2007 2:45 pm

    Again intrigue by Panjab,Chowdries are playing game like Kulsoom Nawaz Sharif was playing against Musharraf.
    Q-league trying to keep away PPP/Musharraf deal.
    MQM targeted to directly target Musharraf.
    MQM and Altaf are nobles than many leaders and never have done things which opponent are being fabricated. After 1992 operation, MQM boycotted the election and people did not come out and JA won the election by very minor votes. Then when MQM took part in election, the guns were in hand of Army, not in hands of MQM, even then people voted for MQM. So stop alleged propaganda against MQM.
    Since 1986, world is being watched the voting opinion of this region, every body is not a fool. Can it be possible that every time since 1986, MQM getting votes on gun points???
    Its not a matter of what MQM is doing and what others are doing, it’s a matter of accepting vote bank of some parts of Pakistan and not acknowledging vote bank of other parts of the country.

  245. Mirza says:
    June 18th, 2007 1:26 pm

    I am totally agreed with “”HAQ PARAST”" and “”NASIR”".
    Karachi is a part of Pakistan and the opinion of people by vote must be accepted and regarded rather than to repeat the same foolish story of getting vote on gun point. Niether gans are made in Karachi nor people of Karachi are involve in smuggling of these items. The people who are involve in these activities are belongs to the same chips of blocks consist of traffic, relegious, narcotics, drug and kachi abadi mafafia.
    Putting blame of every thing on MQM is not fare, believe me, not fare. Just OWN THE KARACHI and things will be seen easier and smooth.

  246. CJ says:
    July 25th, 2007 12:36 pm

    Mirza; you summarized ..
    “Putting blame of every thing on MQM is not fare, believe me, not fare.”

    We promise to be “Fair” next time!

  247. Bachal says:
    August 21st, 2007 12:40 pm

    I have seen only one sided picture all pointing to MQM, but I failed to understand who was on the other side of exchange of bullets. What was their objective with fully armed? For sure they did not come fully armed with any good intentions. They also knew very well what they were going to do. On the other hand if Mr Iftekhar Chowdry was concerned about the ordinary people, why did not he backed off. He is not stupid to not to understand the situation was extremely tense and the outcome, but he was adamant to show his strength. One should blame MQM and the Militants of ANP who chose the Newtown mosque’s militants dominanted by people from NWFP. It is surpising that Native Sindhi, Kachhi and Baloch did not paly any role. It was between MQM and people from NWFP, switching between ANP and Extremists of Madarasa
    Banuri Mosque and other outsider.
    Another strange fact is that, most of Mosques contolled by Wahabis are managed by Mullahs from NWFP and Punjab and so are the pupils.
    Role of MQM is not hidden, but what is the agenda of other people to use SIND and Karachi.

  248. KAWA1 says:
    August 29th, 2007 1:24 am

    Canada has officially declared MQM as a terrorist party.

    Imran Khan is already making headways in bringing this mad man to justice and now Asma Jahangir’s official statement from HRCP platform will explode this on international arena..
    You can hide but not forever..sooner or later the law will get you for your misdeeds!! Looks like that both the persons (Mush & Altaf Bhai) responsible for May 12th mayhem in Karachi are finally trapped in their own web of deceit…

  249. Rafay Kashmiri says:
    September 25th, 2007 12:32 pm

    The Karachiites, listen

    let us all tell those who burned and killed Karachi, they will be
    unmasked very soon. It should never ever happen again to
    Karachi.

  250. abdul malik says:
    October 3rd, 2007 12:17 am

    mein aap sab se itefaq nahi kerta jis ney bhi altaf hussain ko bura bhala kaha hai lekin jab altaf hussain ney jab tanzeem (mqm)ki bynyaad rakhi to us ka maqsad sirf aur sirf 98% awam ki awaz ko un logon taq pohnchana jo hum per musallat they aaj (mqm) wo wahid jamat hai jo awam ki apni jamat hai jis mein qaum parasti nahi balkaye qaumi yaqjehti ka sabaq diya jata hai,mein logon se ye zaroor poochon ga jo ye kehtey hein k altaf hussain qatil hai agar apney mulk (pakistan)k haq k liye bolna awaz uthana jurm hai sach bolna jurm hai to haan wo mujrin hai nareyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy mutahidda jiyeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee mutahidda allah hafiz

  251. Rafay Kashmiri says:
    October 9th, 2007 5:38 pm

    For All The Karachiites ( could be reposted to Ramadan Blog)

    Hommage to Karachi !

    Ay Karachi, Ay Karachi, Ay Karachi
    Woh Muhallay tery, wo kochay tery, wo teri Galian,
    wo tera Jamshed Road, wo meray Baba ka Mazar,
    tera bunder road, tera Raam Bagh,
    wo tera Densho hall, wo teri Lukshmi,
    tera marywheather tower, wo kemari-o-Samadar,
    Ay Karachi, Ay Karachi, Ay Karachi

    Wo Mastana Saddar, wo hassin Empress, Parsi colony,
    wo tera jimkhana, wo tera Clifton, wo tera Ghazi,
    Ay Karachi, Ay Karachi, Ay Karachi

    wo teri Khushboo, wo hussin shamm, wo tera Tea-time
    wo Akhiri Station, wo Malir-o- Landhi,
    Ay Karachi, Ay Karachi, Ay Karachi

    Tujhaiy hazaroon lakhoon Salaam.
    Tujhaiy hon lakhoon Eid Mubarak

    Rafay Kashmiri.

  252. October 16th, 2007 9:39 am

    [...] read Adil’s post at ATP for details on how and why this crisis came about. More here, and some backgrounder [...]

  253. mehdi says:
    October 18th, 2007 1:56 pm

    This is a good post

  254. Ali says:
    January 26th, 2008 4:25 am

    Everybody talk about 12th May….but no one talk about following

    -Liaquat assassinated; high level inquiry promised

    October 16 1951, Rawalpindi. Liaquat Ali Khan was shot dead today by one Said Akber, only moments after he rose to address a huge public meeting at Company Bagh, Rawalpindi.

    Following the radio broadcast of the news, all public and commercial activities are shut down, as the nation prepares to mourn the death of its first PM.
    said.jpg (2737 bytes)
    Assassin Said Akbar, killed on the spot.

    Some observers are concerned about the identity of those who might really have backed Said Akber (seen dead here), who was killed by the \’angry crowd\’ just after he had fired the bullets. Anxieties also lurk about the contents of the PM\’s last speech which he could never deliver, and which has not been released to the press.

    Riots in Karachi

    January 4 1965. Ethnic riots erupt in Karachi as citizens protest against violation of Section 144 by President

  255. February 3rd, 2008 4:31 am

    I think Everybody has Forgotten 12th May 2007 ….
    hey ! people outside Karachi plz…. save those who are Living in this ” masnoi Amn”

  256. February 3rd, 2008 4:34 am

    ” Masnoi Amn ” is not what the people ( not belonging to MQM ) want!!
    What’s our fault !! everybody forgotten 12th May 2007!!
    Save us !!

  257. Shahood says:
    February 9th, 2008 3:47 pm

    No one knows about MQM!The best political party in the world who is working for rights.I am 18 years old and i am also the member of MQM.
    My message to the people of Pakistan:
    Join MQM and vote only for MQM!

  258. Qausain says:
    March 21st, 2009 2:45 pm

    Political Terrorism

  259. Arshad says:
    April 13th, 2009 7:41 am

    MQM is the only party which will never be seen after Bloody Altaf Hussain, who is hiding and living on Forced Charity(Bhatha, Ghunda Tax) in U.K.

    If that murderer is so much partiotic, should be seen in Pakistan. Talking Non Sense is the easiest work.

    Former MQM member.

  260. Ali says:
    August 9th, 2009 4:22 am

    Just 1 question to everyone…Which party has the mandate in Karachi????…offcourse MQM….then what the Hell were other parties with automatic weapons doing in Karachi???…n u think that the biggest Party of Karachi will allow others to do it…MQM had to stop it because no one other would!…they were in the Government, it was their right…..First it wanted to do it in the good way by sending 1000s of msgs to chief justice tht please dont come, “your arrival can create violence”…but no!…chief justice came & achieved what he wanted!!!!

  261. iffi says:
    August 4th, 2010 6:53 pm

    great altaf
    great karachi
    great pakistan
    name of altaf
    with passion
    with thought
    with aim
    with struggle
    with motivated
    with build karachi & pakistan
    &
    last thing freedom of speech with full confidence

  262. Fact says:
    July 9th, 2011 9:29 am

    The truth is that the MQM is like a bloody dog who will bark and come to attack if not given bone, so this dog needs only blood or bone. They kill and kill and kill this is their strategy and this is their only politics, MQM bloody blood suckers…. that’s the fact and truth.

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