Adnan, there will be no solution to this problem until we realize that we have a problem. Unfortunately the arguments you make are typical of the obscurantism that plagues the muslim world and make no sense to the logical mind.
It’s a ridiculous notion to profess that the suicide bombers are depressed people who have actually suffered a loss and are reacting violently as a result. No evidence exists supporting this argument. It was not true for the 9/11 Hijackers, not true for the British Terrorists of Pakistani origin, it’s not true even for the vast majority of Palestinian suicide bombers and it’s also not true of the killers in Pakistan. More than half the suicide bombers in Iraq are Saudis. Can you tell me what personal loss they have suffered in recent years which will explain this destructive behavior?
An angry person just doesn’t happen to come across a car full of explosives and seems to know about the troops movements of the Pakistani army. Here is an ideology which has declared war on Pakistan and you are sitting here defending their actions as an entirely understandable and predictible human reaction.
Their is nothing more desirable for world peace than a democratic Muslim state. Pakistan may become one as a result of the lawyers’ movement. Mush and his foreign masters will try their utmost to sabotage this movement to keep muslims in the oven of military dictatorships that breeds extremism and fanatacism.
Nauman, there is already a fatwa that suicide bombing is haram and If I remember,it’s available online but when leftist extremist don’t listen ulema then how could we blame to them. Also do remember that suicide bombing is not a muslim invention, in childhood I used to hear news about tamil bombers. If I remember that Mr. Rajeev gandhi was also victim of suicide attacks.
Most of bombers are those who are already victim of pain and violence. Unjust things in society lead one to go for such extreme. Now people who were killed during lal masjid operation, on wazristan borders,don’t you consider humans that they see lots of dead bodies of their loved ones and find themselves helpless because they don’t even know their enemies? and if they know, they feel themselves harmless. Those bombers are also human like us. If we can cry a lot on natural death of our loved ones then those guys are in more severe conditions. People keep whining that whatever is happening today is due to Zia, those people have no brain to realize that whatever is happening today is due to our *unconditional love* for USA which is making us intolerant like Iraqis or Afghanis. If you would kill father of some kid infront of him then he would definately take revenge. Those who just talking crap without using brain, I ask them to allow someone to kill your entire family then I would ask you the definition of terrorism,violence or suicide bombing.
Such depressed people are then used cleverly by different gangs who then use those innocent bodies as tool to fulfill their task. Sometimes in the name of religion while sometimes in the name of revenge or money. Battles between different tribes of punjab and NWFP re the genuine examples which last in many generations.
What Muslim world is facing today is due to troubles they have been facing around the world. Don’t forget that today’s advanced nations have also gone same phase in past. No one can forget christians,hindus and jewish extremism in past. Muslims are also human like other nations and races and it’s according to human nature that when you give them to pain, they do react after passage of time. Why muslims are being attacked, we all know it that it’s due to Islam,madrassahs are actually main target because only madrassahs are left which are trying their best to give Islamic teachings otherwise our private schools and varsities are producing nothing but waste products which are not being able to adjust themselves in society. Govt talk about making madrassah student compatible with society, i ask which society? where degree holders now stand on roads and beg like beggars or the society where people comitting more suicide due to lack of jobs and inflation?
Followers of bible and Islam are well aware that in ending days, most of the battles will be fought in the name of Islam, for bible followers it’s Armageddon. How could I forget Bush’s speech after WTC attack in which he clearly said that crusade has begun? These silly liberals were always used by religion followers to attack on other religion followers. What’s happening today in pakistan is due to right wing neocons in DC who are backing left wing idiots in Pakistan to attack another religion followers which are their real threat. US says right, offcourse those madrassah people or others who are not willing to follow norms of liberals are real enemies of USA. America don’t even give a damn to liberals because right wing policy makers are well aware that liberals are harmless creature who don’t even feel to ashamed after getting deported like Shah of Iran after revolution or after humiliated installation of Karzai, Maliki in Afghanistan and IRaq respectively. So willingly or unwillingly,we have to deal with it,either by showing love to right wing in DC or start dialogue with right wing within Pakistan or Afghanistan,decision is upto govt.
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“It is amazing how boneheads on either side hijack any meaningful discussion on return of democracy and independence of judiciary.”
gee, could it be because that’s not the topic being discussed here?
Mulla and military are both criminals. They are both extremists. Similary Adnan and his bashers are two sides of the same coin.
It is amazing how boneheads on either side hijack any meaningful discussion on return of democracy and independence of judiciary.
The only two people who make sense of this blog are Kawa and Kruman
Adnan, there will be no solution to this problem until we realize that we have a problem. Unfortunately the arguments you make are typical of the obscurantism that plagues the muslim world and make no sense to the logical mind.
It’s a ridiculous notion to profess that the suicide bombers are depressed people who have actually suffered a loss and are reacting violently as a result. No evidence exists supporting this argument. It was not true for the 9/11 Hijackers, not true for the British Terrorists of Pakistani origin, it’s not true even for the vast majority of Palestinian suicide bombers and it’s also not true of the killers in Pakistan. More than half the suicide bombers in Iraq are Saudis. Can you tell me what personal loss they have suffered in recent years which will explain this destructive behavior?
An angry person just doesn’t happen to come across a car full of explosives and seems to know about the troops movements of the Pakistani army. Here is an ideology which has declared war on Pakistan and you are sitting here defending their actions as an entirely understandable and predictible human reaction.
Their is nothing more desirable for world peace than a democratic Muslim state. Pakistan may become one as a result of the lawyers’ movement. Mush and his foreign masters will try their utmost to sabotage this movement to keep muslims in the oven of military dictatorships that breeds extremism and fanatacism.
Nauman, there is already a fatwa that suicide bombing is haram and If I remember,it’s available online but when leftist extremist don’t listen ulema then how could we blame to them. Also do remember that suicide bombing is not a muslim invention, in childhood I used to hear news about tamil bombers. If I remember that Mr. Rajeev gandhi was also victim of suicide attacks.
Most of bombers are those who are already victim of pain and violence. Unjust things in society lead one to go for such extreme. Now people who were killed during lal masjid operation, on wazristan borders,don’t you consider humans that they see lots of dead bodies of their loved ones and find themselves helpless because they don’t even know their enemies? and if they know, they feel themselves harmless. Those bombers are also human like us. If we can cry a lot on natural death of our loved ones then those guys are in more severe conditions. People keep whining that whatever is happening today is due to Zia, those people have no brain to realize that whatever is happening today is due to our *unconditional love* for USA which is making us intolerant like Iraqis or Afghanis. If you would kill father of some kid infront of him then he would definately take revenge. Those who just talking crap without using brain, I ask them to allow someone to kill your entire family then I would ask you the definition of terrorism,violence or suicide bombing.
Such depressed people are then used cleverly by different gangs who then use those innocent bodies as tool to fulfill their task. Sometimes in the name of religion while sometimes in the name of revenge or money. Battles between different tribes of punjab and NWFP re the genuine examples which last in many generations.
What Muslim world is facing today is due to troubles they have been facing around the world. Don’t forget that today’s advanced nations have also gone same phase in past. No one can forget christians,hindus and jewish extremism in past. Muslims are also human like other nations and races and it’s according to human nature that when you give them to pain, they do react after passage of time. Why muslims are being attacked, we all know it that it’s due to Islam,madrassahs are actually main target because only madrassahs are left which are trying their best to give Islamic teachings otherwise our private schools and varsities are producing nothing but waste products which are not being able to adjust themselves in society. Govt talk about making madrassah student compatible with society, i ask which society? where degree holders now stand on roads and beg like beggars or the society where people comitting more suicide due to lack of jobs and inflation?
Followers of bible and Islam are well aware that in ending days, most of the battles will be fought in the name of Islam, for bible followers it’s Armageddon. How could I forget Bush’s speech after WTC attack in which he clearly said that crusade has begun? These silly liberals were always used by religion followers to attack on other religion followers. What’s happening today in pakistan is due to right wing neocons in DC who are backing left wing idiots in Pakistan to attack another religion followers which are their real threat. US says right, offcourse those madrassah people or others who are not willing to follow norms of liberals are real enemies of USA. America don’t even give a damn to liberals because right wing policy makers are well aware that liberals are harmless creature who don’t even feel to ashamed after getting deported like Shah of Iran after revolution or after humiliated installation of Karzai, Maliki in Afghanistan and IRaq respectively. So willingly or unwillingly,we have to deal with it,either by showing love to right wing in DC or start dialogue with right wing within Pakistan or Afghanistan,decision is upto govt.