March 23, 2007: Celebrating the Democratic Spirit

Posted on March 23, 2007
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Abro on Military and PoliticsAdil Najam

It is impossible to ponder upon the meaning of Pakistan Day without thinking of the events happening in Pakistan right now. We are living through a historic moment, but probably not for the reason many people think it is. The debacle about the removal of the Chief Justice of Pakistan and the protests and clampdown that has followed has, naturally, been viewed and discussed in the context of ‘current’ events. This is as one would expect and, maybe, as it should be. However, maybe today is also a good day to think about what all of this means to the future of our polity.

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Gen. Musharraf himself, and his supporters, view this as a conspiracy against his person. It may not be a conspiracy but his opponents certainly view this as an opportunity to bring an end – or at least seriously dent – his regime. There are, of course, also those who view – or wish to construct – Chief Justice Iftikhar Chaudhry as an arch villain or as a supreme here. He is probably neither, but as a man caught in the cross-hairs of history he is well aware of the pivotal role that his person plays out in this unfolding saga. All others – whether it be Nawaz Sharif and Benazir Bhutto on the outside or Shaukat Aziz and Chaudhry Shujaat on the inside – are using survivalist tactics in a situation that remains unstable and gives no real indications of how it might end. None of this, of course, is unreasonable on the part of those concerned. Nor is it unreasonable that they media and the public discourse fetishizes about the minutia of these interactions.

However, I believe that the larger story here is about none of the above. This is not just about what Gen. Musharraf did, not about how Iftikhar Chaudhry reacted; the real story is about how the citizenry of Pakistan reacted. There is little surprise in either the actions of Gen. Musharraf or the reaction of the Chief Justice. The surprise lies in how people reacted – Lawyers on the street, media in their newsrooms, bloggers in bloggistan, and ordinary citizens everywhere in their thaRRas, drawing rooms, email lists and everywhere else.

That is ultimately what matters. If this spirit can be sustained then the future of democracy in Pakistan is secure; whether it comes with or without the current setup. If indeed, Gen. Musharraf believes in democracy, as he says, then let him be the one to read what is on the wall and usher it in; if he does so he will have a place in history unlike that of any other military ruler of Pakistan. If not, it is now clear that the spirit will thrive despite him.

ATP on Democracy Winds of ChangeAs I have argued elsewhere on ATP, this has been Pakistan’s democratic moment; that I find it to be a moment worthy of celebration because it signifies that trapped inside an “undemocratic state” lies a vibrant and clearly “democratic society” (see my argument here). Of course, this is not a new argument for me to be making. Back in July, I had argued here on ATP that maybe the ‘Winds of Change’ in terms of democracy are beginning to gather momentum. I had argued then:

There has recently been a confluence of murmurs (and shouts) from different quarters that leads one to think that change may be brewing in Pakistani politics. I am not suggesting that the actual political apparatus in Pakistan is about to change. It might; but probably not just yet. What does seem to be changing, however, is who is talking about democracy and how… Maybe I am letting my optimism get the better of me (and I certainly do not think that we are “there” yet), but it seems that an indigenous logic, demand, and vernacular for meaningful democracy in Pakistan is beginning to take shape and, maybe, maybe, maybe, even catch momentum… It is the internal demand, the indigenous logic, and the Pakistani vernacular of democracy that is to be celebrated. I doubt if Gen. Musharraf is likely to take advice from me. But if we were listening, I would suggest to him that he should pay close attention to this vernacular. (See full post here)

Abro on CJ CrisisThat may have been a premature proclamation, but I do feel that what we are seeing now is a development in the same progression. I am always bullish on democracy in Pakistan, and the prognosis for me this March 23 is that democratic spirit remains alive and well in Pakistan. Indeed, this last week we have seen it at its most vibrant on the streets of the country. It is from this spirit that the construction of the reality will emerge. I stand committed to what I had written in an op-ed in The News back in 2004:

…there is the much-maligned argument that Pakistan’s history proves that democracy has not worked in Pakistan. This is total nonsense. If one looks at Pakistan’s history, all one finds is vast periods of non-democracy – mostly under non-elected rule, but often also under elected rule. Empirically, the only thing that one can say on the basis of this history is that non-democracy does not work in Pakistan. As one surveys the socio-political landscape one finds the country in the grips of poverty, disease, despair, sectarianism, extremism, violence, and much more. But none of these can be blamed on democracy, simply because we have never really allowed meaningful democracy for any meaningful period of time. There are many things that don’t work in Pakistan, but all evidence suggests that democracy is not one of them. At least, not yet. (See full op-ed here).

On this March 23rd, I am more confident than ever that not only can democracy work in Pakistan, it is the only thing that can. Whether our elites recognize it or not, the democratic spirit of the people can neither be tamed nor contained. Not any more.

To end, let me leave you with two things. First, since we are discussing Iqbal in a separate post, here is a verse from his poem ‘March 1907′ (it is about a different revolution, but the month is appropriate):

Guzar gaya ab woh daur saqi kay chup kay peetay thay peenay waalay
banay gaa saara jahaN mai-khaana, har ki baada khaar hoo ga

The second is the recording of a song (a taraana) that a reader sent me. He calls it the ‘Intellectual’s Anthem,’ and it really is set like an anthem… maybe too much so. But that is what catches you. Hear beyond the tune and focus on the words…

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The words, I am told, are by famous Sindhi poet Sheikh Ayaz, the song was part of an album by the group Voices in the mid-1980s and was a project overseen by another legendary figure, Aslam Azhar. Take a listen.

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37 Comments on “March 23, 2007: Celebrating the Democratic Spirit”

  1. Bhindigosht says:
    March 23rd, 2007 1:17 pm

    I think you are right Adil. I am also bullish about Pakistan’s democracy prospects. I think in the last 8 years, there have been 3 moments when I have been really proud to be a Pakistani; the Earthquake when the whole country came together, the India cricket tour, when Pakistanis displayed so much maturity as a nation and as hosts, and the recent protests against the CJ.

    There used to be a slogan in my college days when Zia (Merde Momin) was ruling the roost:

    BootoN ki Jhankar nahi chaley gi, nahin chaley gi
    Wardi ki sarkar nahiN chaley gi, nahin chaley gi.

    I think the day for the realization of this slogan is not far off.

  2. jinni says:
    March 23rd, 2007 1:26 pm

    It is important to celebrate the democratic spirit. But the same people welcomed Musharraf with open arms in 1999? Why didn’t the lawyers come on the streets when a democratically elected govt was dismissed and shown the door. Why didn’t civil society protest? Where was the Supreme Court in upholding the constitution? I am still trying to figure out this dichotomy. Why do people react the way they do? The popular explanation at that time was that, people were frustrated with politicians and their antics and hence wanted a change. What they did not know was that the military was waiting for that moment for a while since the Kargil debacle.

    I think it is a little too premature to think of some kind of a democratic transformation sweeping Pakistan. History is only repeating itself. We have been through this cycle before. Look at China. After the Tianammen Square tragedies, one could have assumed that the Chinese people wanted freedom. But, the sad reality was, once the movement was crushed, the iron hand was reestablished.

    The CJ’s dismissal has sparked a ray of hope among various sections of our society. And that is certainly a welcome development. Now, what we need is the ability to sustain this movement and give it new legs that it can stand on in future. Inshallah, a day will come when Pakistan will become a fortress of democracy.

  3. March 23rd, 2007 2:42 pm

    Jon Stewart’s Daily Show had a spoof on the judicial crisis in Pakistan and how it compares to the judicial crisis in USA right now (with fired Attorneys). You can view it here.

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  4. Eidee Man says:
    March 23rd, 2007 5:03 pm

    With all that has been happening to Pakistan recently, there is at least one reason to smile….India crushed by Sri Lanka and out of the cup.

  5. Indscribe says:
    March 23rd, 2007 5:09 pm

    جب Ø­Ú©Ù… صادر Û

  6. libertarian says:
    March 23rd, 2007 5:38 pm

    … there is at least one reason to smile … India crushed by Sri Lanka and out of the cup.

    Quite pathetic. Seems the “Indian crab mentality” is alive and well.

  7. March 23rd, 2007 5:55 pm

    Damocracy :) its a joke in our country. i can say tht When this topi drama will end… next topi drama will start.

    Well said ” Jaasay log wasay hee hukmaran”

  8. jinni says:
    March 23rd, 2007 7:42 pm

    Let’s keep our fingers crossed and hope that Gen. Musharraf understands the gravity of this grave situation he has put himself into while confronting the judiciary. It appeared that he was truly apologizing to GEO TV’s Hamid Mir when he called him during a show. For all their failings, generals are also human like us. If he stops digging the hole he is in, he may still find a way out. If he digs deeper, he may well have to garner the most savvy legal minds to come up with a face saving exit. Let’s hope that it does not come to that.

  9. Roshan says:
    March 23rd, 2007 8:09 pm

    Yes of course this day has great importance for us rethink our course of action as March 23rd landmarks our commitment to have independent and democratic homeland.

    But I always think, why we always show this military might on March 23 by having these parades and exhibiting arsenals. This precedence have been continuing regardless of democratic setup or dictators’ regime.

  10. Kabir says:
    March 23rd, 2007 8:32 pm

    Well! I am concerned about us the educated people who are first to criticise but apparently not thinking what do “we” have to offer?

    One thing is for sure that the nations who humiliate and defame their own leaders dont get anywhere. And if we look at the bigger picture should the nation be so fragile as it apeared to be & the kind of questions that r being raised?

    Lastly let us ask ourselfs what are we doing by denting the image of a soldier that has done a lot for this country. I am NOT for a dictatorship but I would rather have a liberal, educated & patriotic dictator over the loteras and thieves such as Benazir & Nawaz.

    We do want democracy but at this point I simply DO NOT see any better options. The global economic competition in our region is VERY tuff due to India/China, we cannot afford to blink(none of us). Imagine a global crises such as war in Iran etc. & we sitting on the mercy of Mr.10% just thinking about it gives be chills.

    I say we wait it out, sustain economic growth and hold till an educated democratic new leader emerges (from within us;) We want democracy not a disaster.

  11. zakoota says:
    March 23rd, 2007 8:54 pm

    Tera Pakistan hai na mera Pakistan hai
    Yah uss ka Pakistan hai jo sadr-e-Pakistan hai

  12. Jabir Khan says:
    March 23rd, 2007 10:03 pm

    Winning independence and freedom are the first step. The second step is to preserve it. It’s a continuous process. The generation that made Pakistan did their job very well, against the odds. There has been a deliberate effort to undermine democracy since 1947. Are frishtay going to descend and do it for us? How come making funny quips will set you free?

    Learn to respect yourself. Do not be ashamed of your culture, your language, your heritage. Goraa gives a damn if you follow his culture or otherwise. But they do respect them who respect themselves. Qudrat has been very generous in this regard only we refuse to admit it (maybe brain washed to be like it).

  13. Jabir Khan says:
    March 23rd, 2007 10:14 pm

    “I would rather have a liberal, educated & patriotic dictator over the loteras and thieves such as Benazir & Nawaz.”

    Gundharaa car company, Pepsi and Steel Mills come to mind. And do not forget steel mills is a STRATEGIC asset. Something worth 200 billion rupees going for 20 billion? Brother, who needs to do petty 10 percent deals here like Zardari?

    Luckily the CJ took notice and stopped this crime from taking place.

  14. MajorSahib says:
    March 23rd, 2007 11:32 pm

    Nation be blessed by four uprite ruler, yani FM Ayub, Generls Yahya, Zia and Mushrff. All else be jali yani fake. I am agring with my likesminded frend Kabir: ” I would rather have a liberal, educated & patriotic dictator over the loteras and thieves such as Benazir & Nawaz”. Very well played, Mistr Kabir. If you and I had been open batsmun at Jameca, we woud have hit chaka after chaka, hain ji?

  15. Pakistani Democract says:
    March 24th, 2007 8:34 pm

    I think you make a great point. Everyone is using this for their own little axe grinding. Those against Musharraf have made this about removing him, those for him are making this a conspiracy. But the real point is that once again people are fed up and speaking. The reason people come out on the street under civil or military government is because they do not see their voice being heard (which is all the democracy is about) and again and again they demonstrate that they will take it for only so long. Whether from BB or NS or PM.

  16. mahi says:
    March 24th, 2007 3:49 am

    @Adil: “I am always bullish on democracy in Pakistan, and the prognosis for me this March 23 is that democratic spirit remains alive and well in Pakistan.” Just using the quote for reference.

    Adil, nice article being optimistic about things. But what I found strange was that you had to actually write/state/argue that the democratic spirit was alive in Pakistan. The immediate thought in my mind was, where is it not? The democratic principle (if not the political democratic apparatus) is an idea whose time has come, and its an achieved goal of our age. Its only a matter of time before its established and set in practice in various countries of the world, no? Really, there is no escaping the idea of democracy. The question is in what forms, and what sacrifice will be essential, to root it in the land.

  17. Zara says:
    March 24th, 2007 4:14 am

    Talking of democratic spirit and prospects of change, have a look at this very interesting piece by Adnan Sattar published in The News on March 21:

  18. Aqil Sajjad says:
    March 24th, 2007 4:45 am

    As Jimmy points out, many of the same people celebrated Musharraf’s take over as they were fed up with military rule. In reality, a lot of the pro-democracy feeling being expressed these days has more to do with the anti-incumbency factor than a genuine pro-democracy sentiment.

    The logic and desire for democracy can not be sustained beyond a certain point if it is mainly based on the failure of a military government to deliver; at the end of the day, sustainable democracy will truely happen in Pakistan only when Pakistanis in general feel a connection between what happens in the elected parliaments and how it impacts their daily lives. For this reason, the discourse needs to focus less on the return of those scoundrels sitting in exile and more on the issues concerning the people, and how they can and should be empowered at the grass roots level. Things like bringing manifestos to the center of the political discourse (instead of personalities), intra-party democracy and devolution of power to the grass roots are all very important in this regard, but are not getting the attention they deserve. The anti-military sentiment in recent years has effectively stifled a healthy debate on these crucial issues. In my opinion, this, and not any propaganda by the military, is a bigger impediment to the development of the pro-democracy momentum.

    So overall, while I share the optimism expressed by Adil, I do feel that the pace of democratization is a big question mark. We can either take the motorway on a good car or the GT road on a gadha gari.

  19. Jabir Khan says:
    March 24th, 2007 5:54 am

    Genuine democracy reslults from an uninterrupted political process, free from outside influence. The upper stratum of military has never wished to give real democracy.

    If a child starts his education and he is intteruppted evey now and then with periods of non-education extending upto 11 years, not once but thrice. Then he is expected to behave with maturity after all?

  20. Aqil Sajjad says:
    March 24th, 2007 8:19 am

    With due respect, India’s political system functioned a lot more maturely as compared to Pakistan even at the outset.

    Also, the development of democracy is not such a linear process where outside actors stop interfering and only then the system starts to develop. On the contrary, history suggests that the evolution of democracy generally begins despite outside interference. Then if it gathers enough momentum, the system gains the required strength to survive on its own without being derailed by those external forces. By waiting for the generals to stop interfering before we make a concerted effort to improve the system, we are only slowing down the process and making its survival difficult.

  21. Pervaiz Munir Alvi says:
    March 24th, 2007 8:56 am

    Adil: Military must not rule the country; people must. But we have seen, time and again, that under civilian rule the people at the top are actually less qualified to fulfill that role than the military officers. Under civilian rule the leaders do not come from the people. They have very little connection to the people, and they do not serve the people. Just themselves. I will say let us, you and I, educate the masses, make them aware of what is theirs and they will take it from these thieves. The military generals and the feudal lords alike.

  22. rais says:
    March 24th, 2007 9:03 am

    there is at least one reason to smile … India crushed by Sri Lanka and out of the cup.

    preety pathetic comments since when we feelgood abt someone else misery

  23. Jabir Khan says:
    March 24th, 2007 9:44 am

    Aqil, Here we are talking about interference and conspiracy to legitimize undue interference. Both are different things. Here I will give the example of Inrda Gandhi. An Indian general suggested imposing martial law (when she was FM of India). She had him arrested. And today we look at India with envy (democratic process that is) and wonder what they managed to do right.

    And when a civilian leader tries to do the same here, the public opinion divides that should not. Stop accepting military rule as an alternative in case a civilian leader fails. When the army will realize it that they are not an alternative, it will be content to do what it is supposed to do, namely defense. Their linear approach which is good for defensive purposes is just not suitable for a viable civil society. They lack important skills of diplomacy. Army mind is trained against enemy. The civil mind has to take into account both enemy and friends. Army leader can compromise on things that not even a town committee councilor will dream of doing.

    We lack principals here. In short, if a civilian leader fails, he should be replaced by another civilian leader. Stick to this principal and you will have democracy take root.

  24. Bulbul khan says:
    March 24th, 2007 9:38 pm

    1.Sovereignty of the people.
    2.Government based upon consent of the governed.
    3.Majority rules
    4.Minorty rights.
    5.Guarantee of basic human rights.
    6.Free and fair elections.
    7.Equality before the law.
    8.Due process of law.
    9.Constitutional limits on Government.
    10.Social,economic and political pluralism and value of tolerance,cooperation and compromise.

  25. Haneef says:
    March 24th, 2007 11:15 pm

    I hope you are right. But we have seen too many false starts for me to really believe that democracy waits around the corner.

  26. Kazmi says:
    March 25th, 2007 10:21 pm

    Pakistan’s future is in democracy, the lawyers showed it with their blood recently. I just hope that the politicans do not mess up this moment with this silliness today

  27. Aqil Sajjad says:
    March 25th, 2007 8:37 am

    Talking of democracy, does anyone have data on the media in Pakistan?
    What percentage of the people of Pakistan have access to the following:
    * Radio Pakistan
    * PTV
    * Cable TV with private news channels like Geo, Aaj TV, ARY one world etc
    * Urdu newspapers
    * English newspapers
    * The internet (thus giving access to international news sources)

    I would be greatful if someone could share data on any of the above because access to the media and debate on crucial issues is an integral part of democracy.

  28. Aqil Sajjad says:
    March 25th, 2007 8:47 am

    I think you are missing the point. The example of Indira Gandhi having that military officer arrested does not prove much. It actually raises more questions. Why was Indira able to get him arrested and why has this not been possible for Pakistani politicians? Besides, you have not answered my points in post 19.
    I repeat, the evolution of democracy does not begin only after outside forces stop interfering or conspiring, on the contrary, developing the strength to survive interference/conspiracies from outsiders has to start while these forces are present, otherwise you and I can keep on praying for angels to descend from the heavens and give us democracy on a golden platter.

    Your point about not accepting or endorsing the military’s interference when the system is not functioning properly is great, but this will happen only if people at large feel that they should patiently stick to the democratic process even if things are not going well, and this realization can only come when they start to see how democracy can positively impact their lives. Making speeches against military rule is important, but that alone can not create a sustainable momentum in favour of democracy if the people feel a strong disconnect with the democratic process.

  29. A.S. Qureshi says:
    March 26th, 2007 3:21 am

    Very nice sentiments. Ameen to all you say.

    Now only if our politicians could also think like that.

    Why don’t people like you in politics!

  30. Aqil Sajjad says:
    March 25th, 2007 10:42 pm

    Here is another sign of hope on the democracy front:

  31. Aqil Sajjad says:
    March 26th, 2007 4:07 am

    [quote comment="39639"]Very nice sentiments. Ameen to all you say.

    Now only if our politicians could also think like that.

    Why don’t people like you in politics![/quote]

    Please forgive me for saying so, a lot of people make such comments asking others to take up politics, but when someone comes forward and when the elections approach, votes and other help in campaigning/propagating the message is never forthcoming.
    One of the most ridiculous remarks that is often made about Imran Khan is something like “yeh siasat main kahan say aa gaya”
    So before asking Prof Adil Najam to join politics, lets first honestly ask ourselves whether we would really support him if he were to do so or whether we would only make sarcastic remarks like the ones made about Imran Khan.

    Adil can speak for his own personal reasons for not being in politics (if he wants to get into this discussion at all), but the general answer to why good people avoid politics also has something to do with our lack of support for them. We yearn for good leadership but our votes are reserved for the same discredited lot.

  32. Anwar says:
    March 26th, 2007 10:22 am

    Good post Adil. I remember during Nawaz’s time there were religious parties openly requesting Army to take over and “save Pakistan.” A large segment of population also wanted jehad mafia to come forward and lead and so they did. If it were not for 911 incident, our landscape would have been very different and more bloody. This is a golden opportunity to put country on right tracks.
    However military has entrenched itself so deep in our psyche that it will take a very long time to overcome its influence. Civilian politicians have been a disappointment – tragic perhaps but without establishing strong institutions we will again end up with half baked democracy.
    As far as our judiciary is concerned – well, we have constituional experts like Sharif ud Din Pirzada who operate in 256 shades of grey and can perform magic that can blind any chief justice – can such an institution be trusted?

  33. omar r. quraishi says:
    March 26th, 2007 2:12 pm

    The News, March 25, 2007

    The rise of the ‘new media’

    By Omar R. Quraishi

    The events of the past couple of weeks suggest that the so-called ‘new media’ has well and truly arrived with a bang in Pakistan, and that’s perhaps the positive thing to have emerged out of the current crisis. By new media, one obviously is referring to the electronic media, to cable television and more importantly to the Internet and the various ways in which it allows users to provide and access information.

    The rise of the new media is important because it provided a platform for the many disparate segments of civil society who all came together through experiencing it (either in the form of watching live coverage of the police lathi-charging unarmed defenceless lawyers or plainclothes intelligence sleuths posted at the gate of Justice Iftikhar Chaudhry’s residence stopping visitors). Perhaps the best example of this (and one doesn’t want to come across as blowing one’s trumpet) was the live coverage shown by various TV channels, particularly GEO and followed closely by AAJ TV and others of the happenings in Islamabad in and around the Supreme Court building on March 16. This of course led to the unbridled assault on the offices of the TV channel and of this newspaper in a building that couldn’t be a few hundred yards away from the seat of government and parliament. All this was shown live on television — and one can imagine the impact that it would have made if it were not shown live in real time.

    A lot has already been written on the attack and on the possible motives — the president has apologised and the prime minister even visited the offices of the TV channel and the newspaper but the question still remains: how could the police have done this on their own, and who were they receiving orders from on their walkie-talkies, as reported by many eyewitnesses, and if they didn’t do it on their own, who are the people behind the attack? Also, will a tribunal formed at the additional sessions judge level have the requisite courage and authority to come to a fair assessment as to the possible identities of those who ordered the attacker.

    One thing that I would like to say here is that some people in cyberspace and in online web forums have actually tried to justify the attack by saying that the channel should have known better than to be broadcasting what it did. This is probably the view of the government and its apologists as well. The fact of the matter is they should know that the job of the media — anywhere and not just in Pakistan — is to try and show events and incidents, and clearly the police engaged in a street battle with civilian protesters qualifies as extremely newsworthy footage. After all, the footage showed policemen picking up stones and throwing them at random at the protesters — so the people of this country finally got to see for themselves their conduct for themselves (perhaps the attack on GEO showed this in more stark fashion).

    Of course, in all of this, one shouldn’t forget the blogging world, which though still small seems to have matured in Pakistan. There are several sites — my personal favourites have been and — which have been carrying lively discussions and exchanges regarding the current crises. Both these have also been carrying footage of the lathi-charges, of the attack on GEO and The News and also the now famous (or should one say infamous) exchange between Ansar Abbasi and Law Minister Wasi Zafar on a Voice of America radio show where the minister proceeded to tell the journalist what he would do with his (the minister’s) ‘big arm’. There is the medium of the SMS (short message service) as well, which has now become a handy means of communication in most Pakistani cities and used by people regardless of financial standing.

    It can’t be said that the advent of the new media was the reason for the near unanimity that has been seen in the response by Pakistanis in general to the ‘suspension’ of the chief justice and the attack on the press and media, but it has certainly helped crystallise it. Clearly, from the point of view of those in the government and the establishment who would like to see the media be put in its place (read submissive and deferential to the government’s wishes) had not envisaged that new technology brings with it its own democratising possibilities and opportunities. That has been particularly true in the case of the Internet since it isn’t known as the Great Leveller for nothing — a truly democratic way for people to communicate and to provide and access information.

    And the best part of this all is that the new media is very much here to stay. Perhaps, newspapers and TV channels (though none have done this so far in Pakistan) need to begin their own blogs soon.

    The writer is Op-ed Pages Editor of The News.


  34. Adnan Ahmad says:
    March 26th, 2007 3:08 pm

    Omer R. In our discussions we gave you well deserved compliments on your pieces and I think here you have Reciprocated in kind.

  35. April 10th, 2007 2:58 am

    Do you know the real reason behind we the people of Pakistan are so democratic. It is all because of our forefathers’ untiring efforts of earning a separte homeland that gave us the freedom of excercising our rights in our free country. In the website you will find deep detailed information about the struggles of our great leaders.

  36. chirand says:
    November 19th, 2007 8:49 am

    REF: “the new media”, now all we need is to get the remaining 157 mn people on the internet and behold!

  37. Hasham Awan says:
    June 13th, 2008 3:57 am

    I like that

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