Musharraf Gets Votes, But Loses Big Time

Posted on October 6, 2007
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Adil Najam

UPDATE: The picture on the left, published in Daily Times, comes with the caption:

“Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz, Foreign Minister Khurshid Kasuri, PML-Q President Shujaat Hussain and MNAs react to an announcement by the Election Commissioner (unseen), at Parliament on Saturday. President Pervez Musharraf won a landslide victory in the election but the official results will be declared after the Supreme Court verdict on his eligibility.

Maybe our readers can suggest what some of the people here are thinking as they clap. Suggestively, some, you will note, are making too much of an effort to clap, and others too little! The picture is also a good compliment to an earlier one we had posted here.

ORIGINAL POST: It is neither a surprise nor really news that Gen. Musharraf just got himself elected. It was always clear that he would get himself elected by hook or crook; eventually it took a bit of both. The way it had to be done is sad – pathetic really – and no one has come out of this mess looking good. Gen. Musharraf got the votes he needed, but neither he nor anyone else is a winner.

Gen. Musharraf lost whatever little credibility he might have had as someone interested in Pakistan’s development or people’s aspirations. He also lost the ability to make the claim that he was any different or any less power-hungry than his political predecessors. He is now, clearly, one of them and has lost the one thing that had given him a support base. Benazir Bhutto lost the principles her party and father might once have stood for. PML(Q) had little to loose and yet lost big, they may even loose the government. Nawaz Sharif had already lost out some weeks ago. Maulana Fazlur Rehman had already lost all credibility but now they can’t even pretend to have any left. The Supreme Court lost at least some of the public goodwill they had gained as an institution with last minute shenanigans. America lost too because instead of backing one bad bet (Musharraf) they are now backing two (Musharraf + Benazir Bhutto).

But the biggest loser here may be the people of Pakistan who – once again – lost big time. But, then, I guess we are used to it.

Frankly, there is little need or point in commenting on the sham elections today. This was not a news event, this was a scripted stage drama. The real question remains what will happen next. There, it seems, that all of the losers – including Gen. Musharraf – may be confronted with some unexpected turn of events. There, one continues to hope, the people of Pakistan may yet emerge as winners eventually. Whenever ‘eventually’ comes!

119 Comments on “Musharraf Gets Votes, But Loses Big Time”

  1. sharuk says:
    October 6th, 2007 6:28 pm

    you should put this in losers category adil bhai
    i thought you are optimist but you made it sound so bad that i may not bet on pakistan if i believe you.

  2. Shani says:
    October 6th, 2007 6:32 pm

    ‘Eventually’

    We have been waiting for this moment for last 60 years, but i have no idea how many more generations have to wait for this monet..

  3. MQ says:
    October 6th, 2007 6:44 pm

    This man who condemned the past governments as “sham democracies” and promised to give the country a true democracy has staged the biggest farce in the name of democracy in the history of the country.

    Getting elected in uniform by an expired “parliament”, which was the product of rigged elections and manipulations in the first place!

    Watching all these “lotas” falling over each in order to congratulate the man on his “huge success” with “bhari aksariat” makes you feel like throwing up.

  4. Deewana Aik says:
    October 6th, 2007 6:48 pm

    “makes you feel like throwing up….”

    sums it up.

  5. October 6th, 2007 6:52 pm

    As the General has unofficially been declared as

  6. Rafay Kashmiri says:
    October 6th, 2007 6:57 pm

    Deewana ji

    makes you feel like throwing up ….lotas or chaires on……

    chal rehn day, rehn day rhen day chal rehn day.

  7. baber says:
    October 6th, 2007 7:08 pm

    Well it just shows that people of Pakistan are powerless. Army has always been strong, atleast against its own people.I think the biggest looser is MQM for standing by musharraf which just shows that self interests stands above democracy and freedom for its people.
    MQM = Musharraf Qumi Movenement
    Has for BB and Mullahs we know their colours.
    And the lawyer movement, the only people who are real Pakistani and have given some hope to the frustrated people of this country. As a Paki I thank you.

  8. October 6th, 2007 7:11 pm

    Summing up all crooks in one line…………

    Lets see where all these will lead our land of pure!!

  9. Daktar says:
    October 6th, 2007 7:11 pm

    Adil Najam remains the optimist to the end:
    “one continues to hope, the people of Pakistan may yet emerge as winners eventually. Whenever

  10. Rafay Kashmiri says:
    October 6th, 2007 7:15 pm

    OBITUARY

    My deepest condolences to all,

    Inna lilahi wa inna elaihey rajioon,

    marhooma, Nat Assm, bint-e-MQM wa PMLQ, baroz 6 oct
    wafat pa gaien, Speaker unn ko Assemliay firdaus kay
    ahatey mein jagah day, Ameen

    janazay mein shirkat gair zaruri hay,
    minjanib Anjuman-e-beyar-o-madadgaran Islamabad

  11. Social Mistri says:
    October 6th, 2007 7:18 pm

    No need to be so negative. No one has lost. We needed a balanced transition and an orderly move to civilian rule WITHOUT somebody being blown up in the sky or hung at the gallows. That will now happen over the next few weeks.

    The issue is not how you reprogram our politicians’ DNA to make them honest, God-fearing servants of the country, but how you put in place a system that makes it very difficult for them to go too far with their wayward, corrupt ways. The NSC is such an instrument. Some level of financial corruption will happen, as it does even in the US where Cheney benefits from Halliburton, but we need to put a stop to events like Nawaz Sharif freezing forex reserves and gobbling up billions of dollars and then negotiating a deal to retire in a palace for 10 years.

    Pakistan has a good future, if for no other reason (and there ARE other reasons) because the alternative is not something anyone on the planet can afford. Whether it be the US, China, any of our neighbours or pretty much anyone else. There is just too much negativity in the press these days because a 500-man protest and some khirki-smashing accompanied by well-practiced breathless narration makes for good video on GeoTV. Rise above the superficial, dear author of this article, and see the forest, not just the trees.

    Tension na lo…

  12. Umar Shah says:
    October 6th, 2007 7:20 pm

    The people of Pakistan will remain losers until they collectively show the will to shun the political families and their scions that have been voted by the people for 2 generations or 60 years of our existence. Whether illiterate or not, our masses in general are no inqilabi people. The common platforms needed for an inqilab are there, infact several of them but the people dont seem to care. Poverty, illiteracy, hunger, lack of basic amenities , infrastructure and law & order are all reasons why inqilabs have taken place in history and by inqilab I dont mean overthrow and anarchy but the will and desire to make a collective change. Histories of France, Russia, China and Iran all show us that the will of the people is stronger than guns, tanks, men in uniform and their lackeys. More recently our lawyer community has shown what results can be achieved if stands are taken on important issues…and I am simply at a loss and cannot recall if the tyrannical and self serving Bhuttos (who the wretched Pakistani nation cannot seem to get rid of) ever stood for anything good.

  13. Social Mistri says:
    October 6th, 2007 7:26 pm

    Just in recent times, “Bhutto” has stood for common sense. NS, high on harrisa and nihari doses, overestimated his popularity by 5 orders of magnitude, resulting in his behind to be shipped back to his gadda in Jeddah. Benazir understands that the current shor-o-ghul is just skin deep, if even that. Buying a black coat and setting 4 second-hand tires on a street does not a revolution make.

    And oh by the way, we don’t need no revolution… KSE charhta ja, charhta ja, basant pay killer patang ki tarha charhta ja!

  14. Rafay Kashmiri says:
    October 6th, 2007 7:38 pm

    Mistri ji

    Bhutto stood for that “common sense” for the time being,
    her agenda is not as muqadass as Harisa or Nihari, u forgot
    siri paaiy, as their taste is longerlasting, satisfactory for all
    and well established every day reality, the khabays are the
    truth not hidden !!!!!!

  15. Roshan says:
    October 6th, 2007 7:45 pm

    Adil,
    Here i agree with you and feel that all the losers (opportunists) are together in the same camp. Apparently, they are winner but the turn of the events, as happened in case of CJ, will definitely bring the victory of people. But with this optimism, I am scared that what cost people would be paying to defeat this ruling elite. This elite can do anything fair and foul to remain in power as it happened in Karachi on May 12.
    We need to give credit to this sham election, at least, it has exposed the pseudo custodians of democracy.

    God Bless our Nation !!!

  16. Beej Kumar says:
    October 6th, 2007 9:40 pm

    Adil Najam sahib,

    While not disputing your account of events, I must agree with Mistry sahib

  17. Classof71 says:
    October 6th, 2007 10:50 pm

    Delhi ta Palam,
    Sultanat-e-Shah Alam

    Although I have supported Pervez Musharraf all these years , I think it is about time he had the insight to relaise that it is time to quit.
    It is quite sad that whilst the rest of the world has indicted and convicted Benazir Bhutto for her corruption and even her secret Swiss bank accounts have been seized by Interpol, Pervez Musharraf is busy signing “forgiveness” and “reconciliation” orders for her !

  18. Ahson Hasan says:
    October 6th, 2007 11:37 pm

    Adil, you really hit the nail on the head – the biggest losers of today’s sham elections are the people of Pakistan.

    What will happen next? To my mind, the country will sink into a deeper chaos. Musharraf has introduced too many players but hasn’t been able to provide a clear-cut orientation vis-

  19. Viqar Minai says:
    October 6th, 2007 11:41 pm

    The author writes:

    “The real question remains what will happen next. There, it seems, that all of the losers – including Gen. Musharraf – may be confronted with some unexpected turn of events”.

    Hope springs eternal.

    dil ke bahelAnE ko GhAlib yeh KhayAl aCHA hae

  20. razia says:
    October 6th, 2007 11:46 pm

    I am happy Musharraf won! He may not be perfect but he is much better than the opposition. I believe he cares for Pakistan much more than any in the opposition. It is unfortunate that he had to make a deal with BB.
    He made a mistake in trying to dismiss the CJ. The judiciary council reinstated the CJ. Musharraf accepted the verdict. The supreme court decided he can run for president in uniform. Why couldn’t the opposition accept the verdict, stay in the assembly, vote against him and defeat him?
    They can’t have it both ways.
    From personal experience I can say that the performance of the the government has been very impressive, at least of the consulate offices in the United States. Last year, on two occasions the delivery of service was better than promised, unlike in the past pre-Musharraf era.
    The economic progress is well recognized by international financial institutions.

  21. Deeda-i-Beena says:
    October 7th, 2007 12:04 am

    Not everybody lost.
    The HALWAIES made a roaring business and so did the Fireworks people.
    All Those who ate the MITHAEE won.
    Diabetes Zindabad.

  22. Kishikajo says:
    October 7th, 2007 12:07 am

    Social Mistri,

    You must have been sleeping throughout Musharraf hijacking the Pakistani government, securing his own position and interests, attacking the media and those who oppose him and changing the constitution to fit his needs only. If you feel this is something to be optimistic about, then you must enjoy living in a dictatorship. The rest of us Pakistanis don’t. if there’s a time to be tense about, it’s now. If there’s a time to rebel about something, it’s now. We have to get the media to practice freedom of speech. It has said nothing but facts relating to Musharrif’s regime, but even the facts themselves are not in his favour – therefore the media is shut down for sometime and censored constantly.

    Razia says:

    They can

  23. Harris Siddiqui says:
    October 7th, 2007 12:59 am

    The real problem in Pakistan is the lack of alternate leadership to replace the tried leaders. Take Mushy out of the equation today and what do you have left? Mian or Mai! The “religious” parties are in shambles and their members are busy pulling each other’s beards. All other parties lack the leadership or a manifesto that appeals to the entire country.

    The election of Mushy although shameful, still brings in some hope of stability for Pakistan. Those who think that we should give democracy a chance should remember that our democratic leaders have an unbelievable ability to destroy the country within months of their rise to power. Give them a couple of decades and you may not even have a country left for democracy.

    The solution is to give our people an alternate leadership that has the ability to fix the root cause of the failure of democracy in our country. Until then, thank God for every bit of stability that comes our way whether wearing a Khaki uniform or a black sherwani. Look at all the mouths cursing the “doctrine of necessity” and you will see them attached to the same faces who have over the years gained power through the support of that very doctrine. People who lined up behind Bhutto during his Martial Law, people who sat in Zia’s Majlis-e-Shura, people who ran provincial governments during Zia’s Marshal Law and people who passed 17th amendment all did so under the “doctrine of necessity” but when it goes against them, the same chickens hatched from the rotten eggs of dictators become the guardians of democracy.

    I say again, find a fresh platform and get rid of these politicians. If we don’t then the hand knotted silk carpet in the presidency with feel the weight of military boots from time to time.

  24. Kruman says:
    October 7th, 2007 1:39 am

    Pejamistri, keep writing. Your posts are always a great read!

    Amidst the current chaos, the situation is ripe for a new political force to emerge, The only opposition to the rape of Pakistan the last few months has come from the legal fraternity. It is high time that Muneer Malik, Kurd , Aitzaz, Tariq Mahmood, Wajihuddin sahib form a new political party and participate in the 2008 election.

    It will be a long struggle though, as stated by Mr Wajihuddin himself.

    In other news, Naseerullah Babar has shown the middle finger to BB. He has quit PPP:
    http://thenews.jang.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=10511

  25. Ahsan says:
    October 7th, 2007 1:56 am

    “There, one continues to hope, the people of Pakistan may yet emerge as winners eventually. Whenever

  26. MB says:
    October 7th, 2007 2:21 am
  27. iFaqeer says:
    October 7th, 2007 4:03 am

    I am somewhere between Adil, Social Mistri, Umar Shah, Roshan, and Beej Kumar. I want to be optimistic; but I find it hard to be so in the short-to-medium term. Iss hammam main sub nangay hain; all 5,6,7 parties are imperfect: Mush, BB, MQM, PML N, PML, Q, the Justices, … and not least We, The People.

    And in terms of having a real impact on the ground (as opposed to the media) or having a solution to the problem, Imran Khan and the TI are but a footnote. Notwithstanding his own “honesty” and, more importantly in my book, the sincerity and passion of a lot of the people who support him. And for the sake of these last, I wish it weren’t true, but that’s the fact from where I sit.

    And the funny thing is, on the positive side, each of those “parties” (and I mean party to the situation, not political party) also have at least one very solid principled point to make…

  28. iFaqeer says:
    October 7th, 2007 4:28 am

    And in terms of the inquilab, as I said 13 or so years ago…yaa tho iss qaum ko aqal aajay ya ghairath aaja’ey; iss say pehlay kay in koe ghussa aa’ey. Otherwise we do get what we got in Iran, the Soviet revolution…

    I am also with Kruman. But who will bell the cat?

  29. Social Mistri says:
    October 7th, 2007 4:53 am

    O Ahsan Bhaijan, Allah ka wasta hay revolution apnay paas hi rakhien. Anparh mulk mein revolution say aap ko kya milay ga. Let’s ensure that we first get to a stage where when we execute on a revolution, we know what we’re looking for! Abhi to khirkia’n tootein gi and Danish-Cartoon-Multiplied-By-1000 wala kaam ho jaey ga. You don’t really want a revolution. Trust me. What you want is for the KSE to be at 20,000. And when I say “you”, I really mean, “me” :-) OGDC, Bank Alfalah zindabad!!!

  30. Rafay Kashmiri says:
    October 7th, 2007 4:58 am

    Razia,

    No one has doubt about Mussharaf’s very
    little achievements, significant or not, not at all, to please
    the world’s agenda. All the achievements are due to the
    serious Pakistanis citizens cooperation and patriotism, not
    the group of ninkumpoops around him.
    The opposition boycotted as a token of protest against
    corruption, nepotism, dishonesty, hanky panky, and cheap
    arguments. I hail the attitude of the opposition.

    Quranic indication,

    When people become corrupt and bad, we impose on them,
    Hakims, who are even worst than them.

    Now we don’t say other than, Musharaf is patriotic, not
    corrupt, straight forward, hardworking etc. what I am worried about him is his potential Islamophbic secularism.
    Not good for National Identity, moral corruption will be a disastor for entire generation of today.
    He must get rid now of the lotas, commun thugs turned
    politicians and colonial zurriats.

  31. Social Mistri says:
    October 7th, 2007 5:01 am

    Kishikajo ji, thank you for telling me what the “rest of us” think (i.e. rest of us by your definition is Population of Pakistan minus Social Mistri)

    Contrary to your statement about my nocturnal affairs, I am very much awake and absolutely happy with – not the person of Musharraf – but what his continuing in office means for our country. It means there will be stability and continuity of policy. That is more important for Pakistan than anything else right now.

    What have slogans ever given this nation? I am interested only in the REAL opportunity that has been created in the past 8-10 years. I have personally benefited from it NOT BECAUSE I AM MUSHARRAF’s bhateeja, but because I could invest (albeit a small amount!) in the KSE, and I could put up the 20% upfront on a small plot in Lahore… The banks DID give me loans even though I had no sifarish. I DID find a job at a tech company where my salary has increased an average of 50% year over year for the last 4 years. The company I work for HAS frown its business at almost 80% a year, all from US and European customers. THIS IS WHAT MUSHARRAF HAS GIVEN ME, WITHOUT EVEN KNOWING ME. And I am thankful to him for it. None of us had this when the Ganja Paapi of Jeddah was ruling us.

    Allah ka bara shukar hay! I hope the next 10 years do for the economy what the last ten have done.

  32. PatExpat says:
    October 7th, 2007 6:33 am

    Mr. Mistri,

    I am happy for your well being. And hope the rest of the country also feels the same way.

    However, it does not. The gap between rich and poor has increased. Number of people below poverty line has increased. Though your foreign exchange reserves are at $16 BIllion, your current account deficit is $8 billion. Of the $16 Billion, significant portion has come from selling the family silver at throwaway prices (privatization) and remittances. The remaining is composed of US Aid for fighting war against terrorism. Exports constitute minute part of it. As such, the situation is critical if you could ever comprehend the statements of SBP where such issues are highlighted between the lines.

    KSE has never been a representative of the general economy going up and down at its on will. I am sure things were not that bad in April 2005 when KSE crashed with Shortcut Aziz and the remaining making billions at the cost of small investor. My advice: Becareful of KSE. They say “Yeh beti ka ghar hai. Aadmi yahan day kar hi jata hay. Kuch lay kar nahin jata”

    Congratulations on owning a plot. You are one of the few who have realized their dream. While the rest of the nation is grappling where to come up with down payment for the ever increasing real estate prices to own a plot.

    The savings rate is almost zilch. The credit culture has been promoted where everybody is owning foreign manufactured cars, ACs, bikes, etc without having the necessary infrastructure of energy nor roads etc. Credit helps when it develops demands for local produced good resulting in increase industrialization. Here credit has helped in increasing imports of luxuries.

    We still export the same raw textiles. Bumper wheat crop and we end up importing it. In the last 8 years, no indiginous manufacturing facility has been established. We still import every thing starting from safety pin.

    Just because you have it good does not mean everybody has it good as well. There are signs out there if you are willing to see them. Anyway, Aagay Aagay dekhyay hota hai kia

  33. Viqar Minai says:
    October 7th, 2007 6:41 am

    Social Mistri,
    On the face of it, your reasoning sounds quite persuasive. I do have two questions, though.

    What you are enjoying in Lahore, in spite of not being Musharraf’s bhateeja, is that also being experienced by the common man in most other other cities in Pakistan? Say, Peshawar, Nawabshah, Larkana, Jacobadbad, Quetta, even Karachi? Or, do you beleive that Lahore, Faisalabad, Sialkot, and Pindi/Islamabad represent the entirety of Pakistan?

    Also, does your reasoning not imply that a huge amount of good can be – in fact should be – done through all kinds of questionable means? What message does it send to the ordinary citizens of Pakistan who don’t make in a month what you can make in an hour?

    Please don’t say to us:”trust me “you” do not want a revolution”. Say instead: :”trust me “I” do not want a revolution”.

    Sleep well …

  34. Faisal Bashir says:
    October 7th, 2007 6:53 am

    It’s a long road to freedom,
    D A7
    A winding steep and high,
    D
    But if you walk in love
    G
    With the wind on your wing,
    D
    And cover the earth
    G
    With the songs you sing
    D G D
    The miles fly by

    D G D
    I walked one morning by the sea,
    G A7 D
    And all the waves reached out to me,
    G A7 D
    I took their tears, then let them be.

    I walked one morning at the dawn,
    When bits of night still lingered on,
    I sought my star, but it was gone.

    I walked one morning with a friend,
    And prayed the day would never end,
    The years have flown, so why pretend.

    I walked one morning with my King,
    And all my winters turned to spring,
    YET EVERY MOMENT HELD ITS STING

  35. Social Mistri says:
    October 7th, 2007 6:58 am

    Viqar bhai, revolution mein saaro’n ka baira gharak ho ga. If you want a revolution in Pakistan, please see the short cinematic preview by looking for youtube videos on what happened in Lahore (mall road) when the danish cartoon incident happened. There is mindless and pointless violence that leads to no benefit for no one. Kyou’n ghareebo’n ko sheh detay hein.

    Also, both Viqar saab and PatExpat bhaijan belittle the personal account I shared with them as if I am the only one who got a home loan in the last 5 years, who is working at a company that’s doing well, who is benefitting from the economic progress in the country. If NO ONE OTHER THAN ME IS BENEFITING FROM THESE THINGS, then where are the 10s of thousands of new cars coming from? Deewan Farooq ki income statement dekhain pichlay saal ki. Look at the ramp up in production. Are the super duper elite buying Santros? Who is buying 100,000 sub 1.5 ton ACs in Pakistan every year? PML-Q parliamentarians only? The Chaudhry family only? I don’t like the Chaudhries either, but package deal is a package deal. Musharraf is worth it. Look at how quickly new buildings are being occupied by SMALL BUSINESSES. Go visit the new Auriga center that was finished hardly a year ago. It is almost all occupied now with small shops. What isn’t occupied has been sold already.

    Thora sa balance laien apnay criticism mein. I am not saying everything is perfect, but I am fedup of people being extremely negative, sitting abroad and watching TV, comfortably getting news from websites and then talking about what true democracy is and how there should be a revolution and blah blah. Saieen aap chahtay kya hein? Overnight the mess that we’ve been in for 5,000 years (YES, 5,000 years!!!), should suddenly go away? Itna to Allah mian kay nabi bhi nahien kar paatay. Instant fix hour kithay ja kay labbo, Rab aithay naien denda instant fix.

    Since the day Pakistan has been created, people have been complaining how there are no viable white collar jobs for any graduate… so why study? only to get frustrated? Well, here I am a graduate with a good job. I am not alone. There are tens of thousands out there like me just employed in the IT industry, hundreds thousands more in the Telecom sector. These numbers were close to ZERO prior to the the Musharraf government. Please don’t belittle the facts that I have to share with you. You may want a Ganja Paapi Amir-ul-momineen type “democrat”, sanoo’n saadi naukri tay saada genrail ee changa!

  36. October 7th, 2007 7:52 am

    I have put another article “How General defeated CJ” on my blog. Please read.
    pejamistri.wordpress.com

  37. Javaid Aziz says:
    October 7th, 2007 8:03 am

    It can be agreed that it is not morals. Not legality.It is money.
    The Washington Post on Sunday ( http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/06/AR2007100600240_2.html ) carries this:”Musharraf’s party threw a victory celebration in the capital Saturday night. About 1,500 people initially showed up, but after consuming all the available food within minutes, the crowd was soon down to just 300. Some of those in attendance said they had been paid 700 rupees apiece, or about $12, to stay and cheer their president’s victory.”

    The NRO was needed by the person clapping in the middle as well as BB(read the comment: http://paktribune.com/speakout/comments.php?id=190901&t=1&a=t )
    There is no mention of Justice Falak Sher’s opinion (Musharraf not qualified to contest poll: Justice Falak

    SAJID ZIA
    LAHORE – Mr Justice Falak Sher as a member of the Larger Bench of the Supreme Court which decided the dual office case on September 28 last, has declared General Pervez Musharraf not qualified to contest the upcoming presidential election for the reason, he is hit by Article 63 of the Constitution, read conjunctively with Article 41(2), for holding an office of profit in the service of Pakistan.
    The learned judge who was on the majority side in the six to three verdict which dismissed the JI, PTI and others petitions on the ground of maintainability, has also held the President to Hold Another Office Act VII, of 2004, ultra vires the Constitution.
    Justice Falak Sher while giving his opinion on the question of ‘maintainability’ and ‘eligibility’ through a separate note for the reason that case was also heard on merit has said that within the meaning of 41(2), a person aspiring to contest presidential election must have qualifications under Article 62 and at the same time be free from disqualifications provided under 63 of the Constitution. The learned Judge sent his opinion through this note from Lahore Registry to Islamabad on Wednesday.
    Dilating upon the eligibility of General Pervez Musharraf to contest the presidential election, the learned judge said that same qualification and disqualification provisions would apply to him as to a member of the Assembly otherwise it would be an absolute absurdity to perceive that a person eclipsed by disqualifications is qualified to contest the election.
    He did not agree with the argument presented at the bar by the respondent side that Article 62 is a self-contained provision, spelling out both qualifications and disqualifications of a Presidential candidate and held, that expression ‘qualified to be’ used in Article 41(2) makes Article 62 and 63 intertwined and interdependent thus aught to be read conjunctively. The contrary review would be paradoxical viz, despite visitation of the disqualifications that a member of the Assembly is to be disqualified but a presidential candidate remains immune from the same, he added.
    The judge said the observations made in Qazi Hussain Ahmad case (year-2002) and Pakistan Lawyers Forum case (year-2005) were only passing in nature for the reason that relevant provisions and their scope were not dilated upon, as well as viewpoint expressed in Pir Sabir Ali case (year-1995) was not examined while hearing them.
    Concluding that Article 63 of the Constitution is attracted with full vigour to a presidential candidate, he said, in view of Article 63(1)(d)(k), General Pervez Musharraf presently, for being in the service of Pakistan as Chief of the Army Staff and being a member of the Armed Force of Pakistan is ineligible to contest the election of the presidential office for he has not passed two years after retirement therefore, he is also hit by Article 43(1), 243 and 260 of the Constitution which debarred a person from the contest if he is holding an office of profit. The judge said that the Constitution ought to be read as an organic whole and mere pre-fixation of a ‘non-obstante’ clause could not be construed so widely as to eradicate even the specific provisions catering grundnorm of the Constitutional fabric.
    As to immunity from challenging the election under Article 239(5) of the Constitution, he said it was incorporated through an amendment by General Ziaul Haq’s regime and the same could not travel beyond the fundamental structure of the Constitution. He said Article 243 of the Constitution envisaging control and command of the Armed Forces by the Federal Government which also include Chief of the Army Staff and it would be highly paradoxical that with the revival of the Constitution, COAS despite being subordinate to the Federal Government enjoys supra command of the same.
    As to the President to Hold Another Office Act 2004, Justice Falak Sher said it seems to be overriding the Constitution status of the Armed Forces as defined in Article 260 of the Constitution and for it, remedy lies in amending the Constitution which cannot be achieved through a subordinate legislation. Furthermore, the president, as head of the state, has to also perform certain political functions that would be incongruous with the oath of the Army Chief as member of the Armed Forces set forth in the Third Schedule under Article 244.
    The learned judges is of a considered opinion that General Pervez Musharraf is not qualified to contest the ensuing presidential election.
    On the maintainability of the petitions, the judge said the petitions carry a question of public importance for assailing eligibility of the COAS to contest the presidential election thus falling in the ambience of enforcement of fundamental rights which highlight the situation when a person has been treated discriminatory in terms of Article 25 of the Constitution. The petitioners have questioned General Pervez Musharraf’s right to candidature without being in the run of the election.
    The judge among other cases, referred to Benazir Bhutto case of 1988, Federation of Pakistan versus Muhammad Saifullah case, 1989 Muhammdad Nawaz Sharif 1998, decided also on the plain of Article 17 and held, these cases spelt out enforcement of fundamental right while the present ones in substance object to the candidature of a serving COAS which by no stretch of imagination could envisage enforcement of petitioners’ fundamental right without being contemporary contender in the race; especially when some of them had been instrumental in furnishing a foothold to the regime, conferring blanket umbrella through validation of 17th Amendment and Article 277-AA. Reasons whereof are not beyond comprehension in the light of the fact that they had the right and opportunity to pull out the carpet underneath the pedestal of power by repealing it in the event of being averse to the same.
    Thus it renders the petitions not maintainable with a right to the petitioners to avail themselves of appropriate remedies. ), a twenty page document in most of the press. Even Western journalists ignored it. Why? Can any one provide this whole document?
    The most expensive election campaign is still going on. It is to celebrate the 8 years (in the high tech age he has gone Binary) and all TV and press is full of advertisements ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/urdu/pakistan/story/2007/10/071006_expence_president_nj.shtml ).
    So it is Money.
    And students cannot get water without money. I showed this picture to a Minister and he said,”Why don’t they use bottles?”
    There was a time in France, when the Queen said,”Why don’t they eat cake?” Are we nearing that phase?
    SIALKOT – Sep 26: The students of Post-Graduate College for Women have to wait for their turn to get water.

  38. PatExpat says:
    October 7th, 2007 8:37 am

    Social Mistri,

    The benefits you are highlighting are there definitely. But they are not because of Musharraf’s policies per se. They are because of dictatorship. Dictatorship has ensured stability which has resulted in this.

    However, its not like Musharraf had started from scratch. A lot of spade work had already been done by earlier governments: poor as those governments may be in terms of reserves and funds, they kick started Gwadar, Motorway, underpasses and roads, privatization and liberalization of financial sector etc.

    It was our U-turn in Afghanistan that brought in this development otherwise first two years of Mush are there where nothing moved.

    By clinging to power by striking a deal with BB (the most corrupt of them all) and exonerating BB( like it was Mush’s money. the money belonged to people of Pakistan) and terrorists of MQM; you are living in la la land if you believe this stability is going to last. Why should I earn my income honestly? I should become an MQM extortionist or PPP jiala and then NRO will make all my ill gotten wealth white. Mush has ensured he is interested in nothing but elongating his rule.

    By weakening the courts, taking extra judicial and extra constitutional steps, and striking deals with corrupt politicians he has not only struck an axe to his own legs but also weakened the foundations of Pakistan.

    By the way, only those societies and economies are strong where there is JUSTICE. As long as the rulers of this country keep making judiciary weak, the stability is not going to last. By your wise crack remarks in Urdu, its obvious that you just attained puberty. Soon you will see the long term damage Mush’s policies have inflicted on the judiciary, on the civic institutions, on the population and on the future of this country.

    If you are interested, read about French Revolution. You would be amazed at the similarities in Pakistan and that day France.

  39. Viqar Minai says:
    October 7th, 2007 8:40 am

    Social Mistri,
    You have not answered my questions:

    Is what you are enjoying in Lahore also being experienced by the common man in most other other cities in Pakistan, like Peshawar, Nawabshah, Larkana, Jacobadbad, Quetta, Hyderabad, even Karachi?

    Does Pakistan consist only of Lahore, Faisalabad, Sialkot, and Pindi/Islamabad ?

    Does your reasoning not imply that a huge amount of good can be done through all kinds of questionable means?

    What message does this thinking send to the ordinary citizens of Pakistan?

  40. Social Mistri says:
    October 7th, 2007 8:58 am

    Viqar Minai:

    Anyway, answers to your questions:

    1) While I don’t think every Pakistani is enjoying what I am enjoying (note that this is a physical impossibility :-)), I believe more Pakistanis are doing better now than they ever have before. Both as an absolute number AND as a percentage. I believe this will continue to improve if Musharraf stays on. Yes, I also believe that people in Karachi, Hyderabad and Peshawar are benefiting. I have spent a lot of time doing work in Karachi so I can speak to that directly.

    2) That is a pointless rhetorical question and the answer is please look it up on a map and feel free to share your findings with the rest of the class.

    3) My answer implies many things, but not all are the thrust of my argument. My answer also implies that I was alive when I typed, but that is neither here nor there. The main thrust of my post is that what is MOST important is the economic betterment of Pakistan. If the Chaudhrys are a necessary evil that results in the economic betterment of Pakistan and the betterment of our people, then so be it. I don’t want an uncompromising government that thinks it is “100% moral/100% true” and the end result for the people is misery. The Taliban were one government that was like that. I doubt you want to live in a country run by that sort of self-aggrandizing, holier than thou clique. Practicality is required in the affairs of men, and that is fine by me.

    4) I am an ordinary citizen of Pakistan. The message this sends to an ordinary citizen of Pakistan is the following, “Don’t get caught up in political naraybaazi. Reject fake black coat valas. Don’t break khirkis. If Musharraf stays and an orderly transition happens, then the economy will improve as it has in the past and we will all be the better for it”.

    Baree khushee huee aap say mil kay. Slamalaikum!

  41. Social Mistri says:
    October 7th, 2007 9:06 am

    There is just too much negativity in this thread. And only because that’s what being focused on, not because that’s the only thing happening. I came across this:

    http://techlahore.wordpress.com/2007/09/29/pakistan-beats-out-india-and-china-as-a-better-place-to-do-business/

    earlier today. Take a look at this article and the site in general. That’s the kind of stuff happening in Pakistan as well… smart people making inroads, earning foreign exchange for the country with innovative products and services. Improving employment, improving the per capita income, making a better name for Pakistan, one customer at a time.

    There’s another very inspiring post about a Pakistani animation company, here:

    http://techlahore.wordpress.com/2007/10/06/pakistans-commander-safeguard-huge-hit-in-mexico-beats-living-daylights-out-of-sponge-bob/

  42. Ahson Hasan says:
    October 7th, 2007 9:07 am

    The picture taken from Daily Times is a clear depiction of Pakistan’s lack of ability to introduce new faces into politics. These are same old bloodsuckers that have been around for ages and refuse to leave the scene. They are what Pakistan has come to be – a dormant, stale and an undynamic country, frozen in time and refusing to move forward. The people, on the other hand, are perhaps the best minds and the most actively talented one can the find in the entire world. It

  43. Kruman says:
    October 7th, 2007 9:11 am

    I liken forced Musharraf’s recent victory at gunpoint to the 1953 coup in Iran that brought Shah back to power. This event set the stage for a bloody revolution 26 years later.

    Pakistan is headed for it’s own French revolution. I hope it does not take 26 years though.

  44. syed ali raza says:
    October 7th, 2007 9:11 am

    it is sad and ironic how rather than applauding the fact that for the first time in “PAKISTAN’S” storied history a 5 year term has been completed by a parliament no matter if you like MUSHARAF or not, but instead lot of comments made on this particular forum which are totally disconnected from the reality of “PAKISTAN”, if any body has any answers for the following questions plz be free to answer rather than taking cheap shots

    a)what is the history of democracy in pakistan going as far back as 1950s??

    b)name a single “CIVIL” institution which has had any credibility or input in PAKISTAN’s political scene??

    c)if given that PAKISTAN some how becomes a BEACON of democracy , how would that better the situation??

    d) why is it that b4 MUSHARAF no one dared criticizing the “PAK” army, when there were individuals like ZIA & AYUB at the helm, the former being the worst?

    e)where were all the so called “FREEDOM” loving LAWYERS when NAWAZ SHARIFS’s cronies ransacked the APEX COURT???

    f) does any one truly believes that if either NAWAZ or BB were premiers of pakistan, that they would have allowed the media outlets to operate freely let alone exist & plz donot give bogus analogy usually presented by “MEDIA-TYPES” that global trends would have forced the hands of “powers to be”.

    g) plz point out substantive problems facing pakistan do not present false and bogus claims, i will more than happily rebut !

  45. October 7th, 2007 9:14 am

    @social mistri
    loot and plunder of 65 billion dollar in less than 8 years by the army, this translates into 2.7 million dollar a day. And you think pakistan is making progress economically, Israel is getting much less than this and look at their economic progress. The argument of any economic progress during the army rule is absolutely flawed. Army is ruling the country right now to plunder the cash flowing into Pakistan (recently they have agreed to share it with Mohatrama.. but I think she is not going to get a lot), as soon as the cash stops flowing into Pakistan , army will go back to baracks (remember 1988).

  46. Social Mistri says:
    October 7th, 2007 9:19 am

    Kruman, Allah na karay! Koi khair ki batien karo.

    Being an armchair internet intellectual must be wonderful, but let’s not get overexcited about the whole thing and start hoping for the death of hundreds of thousands of people in Pakistan… which is what a French revolution style event in the context of modern Pakistan would mean.

    Allah maafi day! Aap kay baray khatarnak desires hain.

    Shah of Iran, blah blah, whatever. This is not Iran and Musharraf is not Aria-Mehr, and nor is there a Mossadeq on hand. Koi achi analogy lagaien. This one is a complete non starter.

    I said this a little while ago, but let me say it again. KUCH NAHIEN HO GA; election will be done, Musharraf will continue and oversee the transition – a peaceful return to civilian rule for the first time in our history. If depressed, visit http://www.kse.net.pk

  47. Viqar Minai says:
    October 7th, 2007 9:36 am

    Syed Ali Raza,
    Didn’t ZAB govt normally complete a full 5 year term in 1977?

  48. October 7th, 2007 9:58 am

    Pakistan is a clear loser as a result of this farce. Its not fair to expect 10 SC judges to save Pakistan from such ignomy only, the people of Pakistan’s judgement is yet to come, my post here asks pertinent questions of each us, please have a read: http://www.otherpakistan.org/archive.html

    Feimnallah

    Wasim

  49. Naveed Siraj says:
    October 7th, 2007 10:08 am

    Dear Social Mistri, pray tell me where you have been all these years :) I loved your initial response. Common man on the street as to whether he is doing better under Musharaf or not, it is too complex a question for us to answer.

    My company is bullish on Pakistan and we have seen new multinational businesses setting up shop in Pakistan over the last 5 years. Yes, the business has been impacted recently in anticipation of elections but if there is less confrontation and political differences can be resolved through back-channel dialogue, the country can come out stronger through any challenge whether internal or external

  50. Social Mistri says:
    October 7th, 2007 10:28 am

    Naveed Saieen, inhi konay gosho’n mein bathaktay rehtay hein.

    Good luck with business in Pakistan! Ignore the rumour mongering and the rabble rousing, and you’ll do just fine. People have been talking about qiamat hitting Pakistan for 60 years, and yet no one ever lost money on a real estate investment in the country. Damn the negativity and full speed ahead!!

    Visit a blog with a slightly more “positive” audience and you’ll at all the great innovation happening in Pakistan: techlahore.wordpress.com is one, ittazee.com is another.

  51. Shahbaz Khan says:
    October 7th, 2007 10:44 am

    Mr. Mistri has made very valid points here and I find myself in agreement with most of his points. But I beg to differ with him on one issue. After the successful implantation of hunky hair on his shiny scalp, NS should no longer be referred to as “Ganja Paapi”. I think “Hairy Paapi” would be a better alternative.

  52. Social Mistri says:
    October 7th, 2007 10:49 am

    Shabaz Khan sahib, with your kind permission, may I please refer to him as “Jaali balo’n wali bala”?

  53. Raza Rumi says:
    October 7th, 2007 11:36 am

    Adil bhai:
    Agreed that the events preceding and surrounding the election were extra-ordinary but why such gloom and doom. A larger bench allowed the election to take place, a major party played along and the oppostion (not the lawyers who continue to stick to their principled stand) could not even mobilise hundreds of workers – so what is the fuss all about?? Politics is about bargaining, co-existence and finding a way towards transition – and it is apparent that such a transition might happen without an air-crash, a blood-bath or a PNA style movement. Our track record of post-agitation politics is most depressing and I just hope that we don’t get another ‘saviour’ in the bargain.

    No military ruler has agreed to doff his uniform in our history and this time COAS might actually become a civilian President. Of course, this is no favour of Musharraf on the nation, but the politics and popular mood has forced him to do this. A large section of Pakistani middle classes led by lawyers and backed by the media have been able to achieve this. OF course, it is partial victory but it is a success nevertheless. I see this by itself as a deviation from our unfortunate historic trends.. So let us not be all too negative.

    I am most heartened by Social Mistri’s inputs on this thread – it is a breath of fresh air.

  54. Lahori says:
    October 7th, 2007 11:49 am

    Social Mistri ji and others. Qurban jaoon aap ki saadgi par.

    The political nievete (or is it deception here is exactly the same that Musharrf-opponents were showing here a few weeks ago). Remember, there was a threat about extremism in society. Well a lot of anti-Musharaf folks were saying, ‘just take out Musharraf and the Army and all will be well.’ They are wrong. No it won’t. There are many things wrong in Pakistan as Adil Najam points out that are wrong BECAUSE OF Gen. Mushrraf, especially things wrong about governance. But not everything wrong in Pakistan is because of him. So, I am with you in that much.

    However, similarly, not everything going right is because of him either. Many of the things going right are going right despite him. The stock market that the economy-for-the-rich are one of them. This is a global phenomenon in mid-level countries because of the globalization spillover. It has nothing to do with Musharraf or Shaukat Aziz. Also nothing to do with them is the increasing rich-poor divide that is also the ugly side of globalization which you can also see elsewhere, such as India. So, please lets keep things in perspective. Lets not blame him for things he did not do but lets also not reward him for things he had no hand in. (my son recently did extremely well in his exams in Islamabad, but I am sure that Musharraf had nothing to do wit this just as he has nothing to do with the KSE’s rise!!!!)

    Your line of argument is very much like those Nawaz Sharif supporters who used to speak out the roads he had built, or Ayub Khan and the dams he built. Maybe we should be looking for contractors (thakeydars) rather than presidents and prime ministers. The point simply is that in the job of governance and democracy, Gen. Musharraf has failed miserably and most so on Saturday.

    What I have always liked about this website is that it makes a clear distinction between Pakistan and the govt. of Pakistan. People on both sides of the extreme who start bad-mouthing Pakistan because they don’t like the current govt or those who see good things in Pakistan and consider it all because of govt seem just to want to confuse the issue. Lets not do that.

  55. Daktar says:
    October 7th, 2007 12:05 pm

    Adil yaar, your and this blogs inherent optimism seems to be rubbing off even when you seem ready to give up on it ;-)

    Some of the recent comments here, although totally wrong, are heartening because they suggest that we WANT To be happy, even in the face of the darkest of clouds people are searching for the silver lining. Good luck to them.

    I don’t believe in revolutions either but nor do I believe in blind optimism, especially when it is used as a strategy to distract ones own attention from serious problems. Psychologists have a name for this.

  56. MQ says:
    October 7th, 2007 12:17 pm

    “No military ruler has agreed to doff his uniform in our history and this time COAS might actually become a civilian President.”

    Raza Rumi:

    Didn’t Ayub Khan take off his uniform a couple of years before contesting the 1964 elections against Fatima Jinnah? I think this is the first time in our history that a sitting COAS has contested an election, and, of course, he had to win. I think he has set a very bad precedence.

  57. Social Mistri says:
    October 7th, 2007 12:26 pm

    Lahori saab, most people forget that while our forex reserves continued to rise even after 9/11, prior to that event, the coffers already had close to $1.5BN. This was up from less than $200M when NS (aka jaali balo’n wali balaa) was booted out of the country. There was no American help or other foreign funds involved in that successful attempt at salvaging our economy. We were on the verge of a default when Musharraf took over. Was that also just plain dumb luck, something that Musharraf had nothing to do with?

    What about managing a year long deployment in 2002 while still having the economy grow at a healthy rate. As COAS, will he not get credit for even a military success like that? Recently even anti-Musharraf newspapers have written accounts that outline the heroics of our COAS-to-be, Gen. Kiyani, who was DGMO at the time. Musharraf had a lot to do with our successful navigation through that crisis. And, as much as possible, I genuinely believe he has tried to do the best he could for Pakistan.

    But let’s assume for a moment that everything good that’s happened IS, indeed, plaindumb luck. Even so, it is happening to us while Musharraf is at the helm. Either he has something to do with it, or Allah mian, apparently, is extremely supportive of him and is sending all this good fortune his way. Either way, he gets my vote.

  58. ME says:
    October 7th, 2007 12:42 pm

    Mushy really rocks!!!
    Now he is our constitutional president for next 5 years,whether someone agrees or not that is irrelevant.

  59. Neena says:
    October 7th, 2007 12:43 pm

    Shaukat: When I say Now everyone claps.
    All the others: Is it now, yet?

  60. ME says:
    October 7th, 2007 12:44 pm

    Can anybody please prove that his election was unconstitutional haan?
    no body in this world can.

  61. Shahbaz Khan says:
    October 7th, 2007 12:52 pm

    Whether someone agrees or not has always been irrelevant. From the inception of “Islami Jamhoori Ittehad” to the flight to Sarwar Palace, nobody has ever asked for the opinion of the wretched lowlife that is the common man of Pakistan.

  62. ME says:
    October 7th, 2007 12:55 pm

    common man of pakistan is asked after every 5 years what he/she wants.

  63. Viqar Minai says:
    October 7th, 2007 12:58 pm

    Social Mistri,
    I am afraid the message sent to the common man by the biggest general’s strong arm tactics – and now with the NRO – is that if they can achieve their aims by employing odious methods, it is not only OK, but in fact laudable, to do so; that is, as long as they can lull their conscience into believing that it is for the good of many that they are doing it.

    The tragedy is that this message is not lost on many, encouraging them to twist rules and laws to benefit themselves. In turn, this promotes crime and corruption in society.

    Short term gains for people like Musharraf translate into long term pain and loss of security of life and meagre possessions for millions of decent hardworking Pakistanis. The price of someone’s good fortune is paid by violence and injustice inflicted daily on countless innocent sufferers all over Pakistan.

    One of these days, it might be your turn to pay this price. But don’t worry; it will all be for a good cause …

  64. Shahbaz Khan says:
    October 7th, 2007 1:04 pm

    Every 5 years the Chaudris, Bharwanas, Tiwanas, and Waderas of Pakistan herd their respective subjects to polling booths so that they can cast their votes to the politician who has bid the highest amount to buy that particular village king. In the cities, when a common man (like me) goes to the polling booth, he realizes that his vote has already been cast for him by some patriotic citizen of Pakistan. The common man then merrily returns to his home, his heart filled with gleeful anticipation of the ensuing dawn of Jeffersonian democracy in his beloved homeland.

  65. ME says:
    October 7th, 2007 1:07 pm

    if that really happens common man should file an FIR in some “THANA”.If he does’nt do so its his own fault.

  66. Lahori says:
    October 7th, 2007 1:11 pm

    Social mistri, it has got nothing to do with DUMB LUCK. That’s jut word play on your part.

    Like your stock market, my son has done exceeding well in school during the Musharraf years. That is NOT dumb luck either, its because of my son, not because of Musharraf. KSE has risen because of global market trends, NOT because of Musharraf. By the way, do you remember that in teh first Nawaz term the stock market had also risen by heady percentages. His stooges had also tried to give Nawaz the credit for thsi just like Musharraf’s mafia is doing now. Both are wrong and neither understand how markets work.

    From my college years I remember this as the difference between CAUSATION and CORRELATION. Musharraf has not CAUSED the economic numbers (neither the rich getting richer nor the poor getting poorer) even if this happened to have happened during his time. Other similar countries are seeing the exact same dynamics. No its not dumb luck, its just unrelated and therefore irrelevant. What is related and clearly his job is managing the governance and there this sham election which is a joke proves it all. Since you seem to like talking about markets, if a company were to manage even the elections of its Board the way this election was manipulated it would be considered criminal action and the stocks would plummet. To the extent that the govt can influence markets I hope they do not try to do it the way they manipulated this election. That will get Shaukat and co. into more scandals like the one about insider trading earlier.

    So, like Musharrf if you must and like you and the post author I do not get inspired by the others either, but lets not try to distract attention with unrelated nonsense about KSE rising. The US markets have all risen considerably during the Iraq war. But no one sane would suggest that they have risen BECAUSE of Iraq war. It is equally insane to suggest that KSE rose BECAUSE of Musharraf. It could not have, unless of course he was involved in some insider trading or such illegal deals!

  67. Neena says:
    October 7th, 2007 1:13 pm

    There are Extremists (civilian and Army both) in our country who are itching to turn whole Pakistan into Talbistan as they already have strong hold in Northern Areas. I don’t like Army ruling the country as it makes our borders unsafe. But the way things in Pakistan are this is acceptable atleast Musharaff (moderate) is ready for BB (Largest Party leader) to come back and rule with him. This way our Nuclear program will be in safe hands and somehow we have a broken democracy.

    As for economy it looks good but I hear Army is grabbing land every chance they get but what else is new. They are doing it since the creation of Pakistan. Only some strong civilian leader can put hold to them.

  68. Shahbaz Khan says:
    October 7th, 2007 1:15 pm

    I totally agree with Mr. ME. It is and always has been the fault of the common man. The common man is responsible for everything from the assassination of Liaquat Ali Khan to the hanging of Bhutto, and the countless “12 October’s”. All he had to do was to go to the nearest THANA and get an FIR registered. But he did not do so, and must now face the result of his misdeeds. He has brought all this upon himself, and it is extremely unjust on his part to blame anybody else for his plight.

  69. Rafay Kashmiri says:
    October 7th, 2007 1:17 pm

    Mistri ji

    oh ho, kiya mein nay arabi mein likh dia? ma

  70. Viqar Minai says:
    October 7th, 2007 1:26 pm

    Shabaz Khan,
    Everything from Liaquat Ali Khan’s murder to ZAB’s hanging happened long before Musharraf’s time. You have no right to blame the common man for these things?

    Please understand that only the problems faced by the common man DURING MUSHARRAF’S REGIME are the fault of the common man.

    So, there …

  71. Social Mistri says:
    October 7th, 2007 1:29 pm

    Lahori saab, then we can agree to disagree. I am not interested in convincing you that Musharraf personally caused the KSE to go up. Macro conditions are created that allow a market to accelerate or decelerate. In Pakistan’s case, much more so than in the US, these maco conditions have to do with decisions made by the President of Pakistan over the last 5-10 years. What IF Musharraf had decided to support the Taliban? What IF Musharraf had decided to pursue a Mubashir-Hasan-like nationalization policy? What IF Musharraf had NOT been involved in the kind of hectic diplomacy he has done on multiple fronts? What IF Musharraf had made a hash of the 2002 deployment? What IF Musharraf had decided to spend all the available forex buying cabs from Daewoo rather than building more roads than any Government has in the history of Pakistan? What IF Musharraf had decided to follow the previous Governments’ agenda and NOT increase Science and Tech funds by a factor of thousands, or Education funds in larger percentages than even in the history of Pakistan?

    Yes, he is not personally responsible for the rise of every share on the KSE, and thinking that I implied this would be quite ridiculous. However, he has maneuvered deftly and has played the cards given to him very well so that the macro conditions today are enabling the growth and economic progress that is taking place.

    As for Viqar Minai, your comment, Sir, is a rather petty one. Implying that I “will pay the price” sometime in future is rather mean-spirited and is making this unnecessarily personal.

    It appears that some people apparently suffer from a vicious itch when they see Pakistan move forward. Perhaps subconsciously they’d rather sit and pooh-paah everything, criticise left and right, sip tea and welcome another drawing room criticism session the next day. Well, to each his own. Pakistan will prosper despite such people, as it has in the past. Kissi nay jalna hay to jalay. Sau Bismillah.

    Pakistan itna hi bura hay, itni hi revolutionai’n aanay lagee hein idhar aur itna khoon kharaba honay laga hay to phir kahien aur ja kay relax kar lein. Spare those who want to stay back and improve their lot as well as the country’s, the vitriol and ceaseless whining.

  72. Daktar says:
    October 7th, 2007 1:39 pm

    Social mistri sahib, Pakistan “burra” nahin hai. Bohat acha hai, iss he liyee hum sabb all things Pakistan khailtay rehtain hain.

    Musharraf “burra” hai. Pakistan nahin.

    The day that Musharraf and his supporters realize that Pakistan is actaully much biger than and much better than Musharraf, maybe that day some of Pakistan’s goodness will also rub off on him. Until then his colonial mindset will force him to put his own interest and his own power above the interests of Pakistan. That is what he did yesterday. He said to all of “I am more important than all of you and what is good for me is more important than anything you feel or want.”

    So, please, don’t confuse Musharraf with Pakistan. That is what he wants us to do and we are not buying any more. He is only intersted in staying in power, KSE or no KSE, Pakistan or no Pakistan. This is all about power, not about Pakistan.

  73. Karim says:
    October 7th, 2007 3:12 pm

    This sad news from Karachi has a message in itself.

    KARACHI, Oct 6: At least 15 people, including four children, were injured on Saturday when a truck loaded with firecrackers exploded after a live cracker fired by jubilant political workers in Korangi area set off a fire, police and witnesses said.

    They said the explosion occurred as workers of the Muttahida Qaumi Movement escorted the truck in Korangi 4 area after President Gen Pervez Musharraf was unofficially declared re-elected on Saturday.

  74. Abid says:
    October 7th, 2007 3:16 pm

    The following two excerpts from a couple of more credible social engineers, lend credence to the true state of affairs – rather than the mumbo-jumbo from the Mush Potatoes:

    Excerpts from Dr Ayesha Siddiqa’s article “Misplaced liberalism”

    Is it that liberalism is just an elite issue or is it an existential issue, which must bind people across the social-class divide? There is a huge distance between these people who have wealth and “contacts” and the man on the street who has to find alternative sources to challenge the law made by the elite.

    Is it possible for these people to appreciate the concept of political liberalism at all? Or to realise that extremism is not just one single category in which religious zealots challenge the way people dress up and conduct themselves? How about other kinds of extremism such as kidnapping and killing of people or denying them what is their right in the form of food, clothing and shelter? How many times did the [Pakistani elite] protest in support of the people in Balochistan where malnourishment is a huge problem and where people have died as a result of the battle between the nationalists and the government of Pakistan? Or how about Thar where poor people die of drought and malnourishment? I suppose the majority of the elite are liberal in style and not in spirit. The elite has failed to hear the cry of the common man …The poor and the dispossessed of this country do not see any method to negotiate power within the existing political system.

    Aasim Sajjad of PRM underlined that this government’s claims to have revived the economy were also identical to those of Ayub and Zia before it. He said that if there was growth it was based on massive amounts of aid from the US and IFIs, as well as large remittances. He asserted that most experts have now acknowledged that this growth is anti-poor and inherently unstable as it is based on investment in unproductive sectors such as real estate and the stock market.

  75. Viqar Minai says:
    October 7th, 2007 6:45 pm

    Social Mistri,
    I have no interest in getting into pointless name calling with you. I had made the comment, that you refer to, in passing to make you at least think, if not realize, that it could happen to anyone of us – including yourself. I do have cousins and uncles who have paid the price that I also referred to – some more than once.

    As for me, I do relax else where. And hundreds from Pakistan risk their lives every day, illegally, in suffocating tankers and leaky boats in oceans , hoping to make it to a better life. Many never do, but this seems not to deter anyone from trying to make the statement that they would rather be elsewhere if they can.

    This is my last post to you.

  76. Kruman says:
    October 8th, 2007 12:39 am

    Adil,
    I don’t have the time to come up with what everyone in the picture is thinking. There is one murderer in the picture though, Shahid, who escaped prison for a day to vote for Musharraf.

  77. Haris says:
    October 8th, 2007 1:52 am

    I am really sick of being pakistani of being so powerless. Who should we follow, why should we come out and under whose leadership? Who is honest enough who we can trust?

  78. Aqil Sajjad says:
    October 8th, 2007 4:39 am

    I think this deal is a really good development since it has exposed the true face of both PPP and the military leadership. Our problem is not with the military alone; it is with the entire ruling elite, of which the military is only one part. For the last few years, our analysts have focussed mainly on the military and lost sight of this bigger picture. Hopefully, the discourse can now move away from the myopic focus on the military and address this bigger picture too.

  79. Raza Rumi says:
    October 8th, 2007 11:37 am

    MQ:
    Sorry for the belated response – I could only saw your comment now.
    Ayub Khan declared himself as “Field Marshal” and remained in charge of civilian and military power until he relinquished his post for Yahya Khan -
    this is different from the likely scenario of November 2007-

  80. syed ali raza says:
    October 8th, 2007 12:42 pm

    every one should follow MUSH & his cronies they are better than sharif,bb,mullah period end of discussion………… no other solution in sight none,0,nada…..

  81. October 8th, 2007 3:22 pm

    I am not sure why most of the people commenting on this blog are thinking that General is going to remove his uniform November 2007, or anytime till he is the president. I am 100% sure that the General will never remove his uniform until he dies (like General Zia) or another General removes him from the top office.

  82. Rafay Kashmiri says:
    October 8th, 2007 3:57 pm

    Raza Rumi Saheb,

    Field Marshal announced on TV that he was not a candiate
    to the elections and would step down as President
    ” relinquishing” what was left in logical favour of next in command Yahya (and Bhutto), I remember!!

  83. Kruman says:
    October 8th, 2007 4:14 pm

    Pejamistri,
    I agree with you there. Sher Afgan is the closest and most steadfast supporter of Mush. He said that the promise made to the judges to doff unifrom is not legally binding.

  84. Social Mistri says:
    October 8th, 2007 4:42 pm

    Kruman, Pejamistri,

    If you are wrong, I will remind you to eat your words. If I am wrong I will eat mine.

    And I am 1000% sure I will not have to.

    If you are wrong, the assumption of char-so-beesi you are ascribing to Musharraf will be proven wrong.

    Let’s wait and see…

  85. ali raza says:
    October 8th, 2007 7:09 pm

    I think Musharraf has scored a big victory. Its not just the presidential re-election. After the debacle of the mistreatment of the CJ following the presidential referance, Mush has slowly and steadily been winning back his lost support. One by one he has been able to show the true faces of those who oppose him. At this juncture, Nawaz, BB, the maulvis all stand naked in front of the Pakistani collective. And they are an ugly sight.

    As for the flame war on whether or not he doffs the khaki soon, I think he does.

  86. NT says:
    October 8th, 2007 8:07 pm

    What should we say, I, atleast feel speechless. When are we going to learn from the past.

  87. October 8th, 2007 8:41 pm

    @Social Mistri
    I don’t want to be personal with you, however would just return your argument asking you to eat your words of 2004 when he refused to doff uniform after promising to whole nation.
    My comments are not based on love or hate for General they are based on logical analysis of situation and understanding of General’s ethics. He has a very base morality, I just shred whenever I recall his remarks about “getting raped and get canadian visa” and then his boosting about himself in a gathering on 16th August while he was drunk (BTW that was not a public gathering). So I know that he will refuse to doff uniform. He is sitting on a lion and as soon as he gets off , lion will eat him.

  88. Adonis says:
    October 9th, 2007 1:39 am

    Legally a government servant can hold a public office only after two years of his retirement. Soit doesn’t matter a bit whether he remains in uniform or not. Pig is ‘haram’ even if it is killed by zabiha and by someone reciting takbeer.

  89. AUK says:
    October 9th, 2007 2:13 am

    Adonis, We are talking about no ordinary government servant. Remember what the SC did to Dr Anwar-ul-Haq; he is not entitled to run for office. To Mush on the other hand, the rules don’t apply.

  90. AUK says:
    October 9th, 2007 2:15 am

    Has anyone noticed how the western media is concerned about Mush’s wellbeing. The news of the chopper in his entourage going down was plastered all over, including financial channels, with a footnote that “Mush is ok”.

  91. PatExpat says:
    October 9th, 2007 3:18 am

    The amazing thing is that we all used to say but there was little direct visibility is the interference of US in our internal political affairs. The blatant involvement of US in our internal affairs in current drama can bring down the head of any self respecting and self proclaiming SOVEREIGN nation in shame.

    From Condi Rice’s telephone call to BB after the deal, the congratulations to Musharraf in biggest sham election ever, to visits of US state department officials during the SC saga, to Mush claiming that he was under pressure to do this absurd and ridiculous deal.

  92. ali raza says:
    October 9th, 2007 3:24 am

    For a country that loves parathas made from subsidized american wheat, we sure are touchy about them being interested in our affairs

  93. Kishikajo says:
    October 9th, 2007 3:45 am

    “Contrary to your statement about my nocturnal affairs, I am very much awake and absolutely happy with – not the person of Musharraf – but what his continuing in office means for our country. It means there will be stability and continuity of policy.”

    What kind of stability are you talking about? The only “stability” we will see is Musharraf holding onto his power. Like I said, your comments do not acknowledge the joke he has made of this country. Is the stability you are talking about the ones where the people of this country are beaten for expressing their opinion against the government? Or when the lawyers are harassed because they don’t follow Musharraf’s direction?

    This is not stability. As for “continuity of policy”, you can forget about any continuity of policy as long as it is not in favour of Musharraf. If there’s one thing in Pakistan that is very wrong, it’s that Musharraf has changed his policies to suit his needs – not the people of Pakistan.

    “That is more important for Pakistan than anything else right now.”

    Pakistan does not need another dictatorship.

    “What have slogans ever given this nation? I am interested only in the REAL opportunity that has been created in the past 8-10 years. I have personally benefited from it NOT BECAUSE I AM MUSHARRAF

  94. Adonis says:
    October 9th, 2007 3:46 am

    Subsidized american wheat? Seems like someone is still living in 1950s…..

    And for the so called american aid….. almost half of it is interest bearing loan and half is the rental for logistical facilities provided by Pakistan for the occupation forces in Afghanistan. The only ‘aid’ that america is poviding is a couple of hundred million dollars for “secularization of education curriculum” and training of teachers from FATA in USA.

  95. AUK says:
    October 9th, 2007 7:29 am

    Talking of subsidized American wheat, did we forget that this is the country that kept our hard earned money for 15 years for planes that were never delivered and was then converted to upfront payment for Soyabean that we did not need; but maybe Ali Reza likes his parathas well oiled.

  96. Deewana Aik says:
    October 9th, 2007 8:07 am

    “million dollars for

  97. Harris Siddiqui says:
    October 10th, 2007 3:46 am

    After reading 96 or so posts, all I hear is the nagging and complaining about Musharraf’s policies and how he has failed to take care of the poor. Who has taken care of the poor in Pakistan? Name one political party on the horizon that has a solid plan to fight poverty. Better yet write your bright ideas how you would “eliminate” poverty. It will be an entertaining reading.

    Say what you want but no one can deny the fact that Pakistan’s economy has grown by leaps and bounds in the past 8 years. Mistri brought up some good points. The home ownership is at the all time high, more cars are being imported and the motorcycle manufacturers are running at higher than full capacity. As for the poor, there will always be a sizable population below poverty line. Governments can only implement policies to create an environment for new opportunities and no government can ever eliminate the poverty line.

    Have those of you fulfilling your national and religious duty of cursing America ever wondered that there maybe more than American Aid at stake here? We have a 6000 Mega watt shortage of power at the moment which will only increase in the coming years. We need multi billion dollar dams to counter it and as usual that money will come from IMF in the form of low interest loans. Can you get that money without American approval?

    Face the fact guys, there is only one dominant civilization in the world at any given time, you either align with it or remain uncivilized. The only other option is to make your own civilization dominant, but with our people being lazy and corrupt by nature; I don’t see that happening anytime soon.

  98. AUK says:
    October 10th, 2007 8:55 am

    Harris Sahab, The issue is not that we need America or not, we do, and any government in Pakistan would be remiss if they said otherwise. The issue is that policies that America won’t prescribe for itself prescribes for us Pakistanis. Why doesn’t America let us make our own choices and our own decisions, instead of forcing them down our throats.
    In America’s eyes democracy is synonymous with BB, which as we have seen twice, is a disastrous recipe for Pakistan. Don’t the Americans know that? Pakistanis know that, but may not have the freedom to decide, when the next elections’ results will be forced upon us. Can we for once given the choice to elect our leadership, instead of this “doctrine of necessity” being forced on us?
    Yes, we all want progress and prosperity, but not at the cost of our freedom and our self-esteem (maybe some of us do, but I am not one of them).

  99. Akif Nizam says:
    October 10th, 2007 12:50 pm

    I, for one, have no problem with getting progress and prosperity at the cost of these perceived notions of freedom and self-esteem. Japan seems to have done quite well in that regard as has Germany. It’s entirely selfish and short-sighted to deny your future generations of opportunity and prosperity because you cannot get past issues of honor and ego.

  100. Harris Siddiqui says:
    October 10th, 2007 1:35 pm

    AUK sahib, America has no love affair with BB. They are lending their support to her because of the lack of an alternative.

    PPP and Muslim League are the only two parties capable to form a government in Pakistan with mullahs being a wild card. Muslim League is more of a group of individuals not a political party. Mullahs are just not acceptable to America for obvious reasons so you are left with just PPP.

    Support from America is not a guarantee of success (ask Chavez). Pakistani people can still come out of their homes in droves to vote for someone other than PPP but I am willing to bet that the voter turnout would be less than 30% as usual.

  101. Viqar Minai says:
    October 10th, 2007 6:26 pm

    No matter what the voter turnout, the results will be what suits Uncle Sam and the Pak establishment. That is, if the elections do happen at all. At th moment, the situation seems to being deliberately guided towards possible imposition of emergency.

  102. Social Mistri says:
    October 10th, 2007 8:38 pm

    pejamistri, i didn’t say he would shed his uniform back in 2004. it was pretty apparent that he was keeping his options open.

    and i’m not getting personal. i’m just saying, you’re boldly proclaiming as a fact that he will NOT shed his uniform. i’m just saying, we’ll see…

    musharraf has quite thoroughly won the political battle that began in march. the CJ, who everyone was thinking was some sort of a muchhar clark kent, has turned out to be thussss… jaali balo’n wali balaa (aka NS), who was supposed to be greeted by 1 million of his most loyal supporters, also found his lies exposed (in writing, i might add) and his political vespa completely punctured. i, for one, am super-duper glad.

    kse at 14,484! uth kay baee! haey oay, sadkay jaava’n! etc.

  103. Khairulbashar Siddiqui says:
    October 10th, 2007 8:52 pm

    As a writer you should see good in every bad situation. Don’t give up. Build other institutions in Pakistan. Don’t destroy the only institution which is Pak forces. News media, and lawyers are hope, if they work right and use brain. Normal people never can do anything.

  104. Social Mistri says:
    October 10th, 2007 10:08 pm

    Blah blah blah blah… elections won’t happen, musharraf won’t give up the uniform, nothing will ever work, the sky will fall, we’ll all die, famine will strike, oh no oh no, let’s never praise anything, never see any good in anything, let’s all crib and complain until we kill each other with our whining…

    BLECH!

    Aggay chal, ya aggo’n hutt!

  105. AUK says:
    October 11th, 2007 2:06 am

    By Ansar Abbasi in Today’s News. I would provide a link but this one needs posting here. Apologies to the moderators.

    ISLAMABAD: The American interference in Pakistani politics is at an all time high, with Washington contacting different authorities in Islamabad, ignoring recognised diplomatic channels and bypassing the prime minister and his government to ensure smooth sailing for Benazir Bhutto.

    A reliable source in the Presidency told this correspondent that during some recent discussions amongst senior authorities, it was revealed that influential American government leaders were directly contacting different Pakistani leaders and officials, ignoring the Foreign Office and even the prime minister, who is the chief executive of the country.

    Although, this mounting American interference was not the issue being discussed in such high-level interactions, the source privy to such deliberations found it extremely upsetting. He revealed that the extent of American interference could be judged from the worrying fact that Washington had lately written a letter directly to a Pakistani spymaster to discuss the progress on Benazir-Musharraf dialogue issue.

    How could the Americans do that? There is no explanation to this. Is it proper for intelligence agencies

  106. AUK says:
    October 11th, 2007 2:28 am

    The script for Pakistan’s future, as written by the State dept, has so far been played to perfection. The only blip was the reinstatement of the CJ, but that has failed to materially impact anything as the SC has been converted to its traditional dormant and pliant role, notwithstanding the current case, which would be decided in government’s favor.
    Here is something I fail to understand. What is the role of Q league (until now the King’s party) in all this? Today, Mush said that he represents all parties, further confirming that BB will be taking over. How can they, after supporting the General for 5 years, be gotten rid of this easily? Won’t they stand up and fight? They should have only 1 demand at this point; to have a chance to win at the polls. In the absence of any interference from the agencies, they do have an opportunity to win again. However if America’s script is played to perfection, they will be defeated. I don’t know how they can accept that after siding with the General during all this time. I don’t believe I am saying this, but I for once empathize with them. I also pray for all those who think that Pakistan is in safe hands.

  107. Viqar Minai says:
    October 11th, 2007 3:29 am

    AUK,
    Back when I was a new student in the US, there used to be a popular Joan Baez song which, I think, is very applicable to the situation of the Pak masses. I’ll skip the repetitive rhymes; the rest of the words are as follows:

    “On a wagon bound for market
    there is a calf with a mournful eye
    high above him there is a swallow
    winging swiftly through the sky”

    “Stop complaining, said the farmer
    who told you a calf to be?
    why don’t you have wings to fly with?
    like the swallow so proud and free”

    “Calves are easily bound and slaughtered
    never knowing the reason why?
    but whoever treasures freedom
    like the swallow, has learnt to fly”.

    donna donna donna
    donna donna do not do …

    That the Americans, and others, can do these things to us is our own fault; no one else’s.

  108. AUK says:
    October 11th, 2007 8:17 am

    Viqar, I have not heard John Baez before, but these lines do touch a nerve.

    The latest from the American front is that US Marine command in Iraq has asked to be moved to Afghanistan. That will be 26000 strong, which will double the American presence in that country. If BB lands in Prime Minister house, the Waziristanis should get ready for a pounding from the other side of the border too. The situation which is already ugly can soon get uglier.

  109. Viqar Minai says:
    October 11th, 2007 9:56 am

    AUK,
    According to a news report in the Daily Times, the govt has given up on talks with the militants in Waziristan, and has decided to immediately mount a massive military offensive to clean up the place. For the general, this has immense benefits. Consider:

    1. US and NATO would be even more staunchly on his side as a result of this.

    2. Combined with the dissolution of the NWFP assembly, and the situation in Swat created by maulvi Fazlullah – to which the govt is purposely turning a blind eye so far – it raises serious law and order and security concerns. What conceivable purpose can this serve? You’ll see in a minute.

    3. Yesterday, BB was asked by the general to delay her return until after the SC verdict – a suggestion she has so far ignored. On the face of it, it is a silly suggestion. What possible relationship could there be between her return and the SC verdict?

    But, wait, there just might be a method to all this madness.

    If the SC – though not expected to – decides to get adventurous, the prevailing conditions in the north can be used as a justification to impose emergency in the country. US and Nato will not raise an eyebrow. BB would be better off cooling her heels in Dubai, or in UK, if that happens; hence the “request”.

    If you simply look at all the events, and do a little thinking to connect them up, the conclusions are just too obvious to ignore. One does not need a crystal ball, or have to be a rocket scientist to figure it out.

    Alternatively, you can fix your gaze on the KSE index and get your brains frozen.

  110. MQ says:
    October 11th, 2007 10:49 am

    Viqar Manai:
    There was also popular song when I was in school — earlier than you. It was a duet between a man named Henry and a woman named Lisa (pronounced Lyza). I think it applies to Pakistan. Here it is:

    There’s a hole in the bucket, dear Lisa, dear Lisa
    There’s a hole in the bucket, dear Lisa, a hole

    Go fix it dear Henry, dear Henry, dear Henry
    Go fix it dear Henry, dear Henry, fix it.

    With what shall I fix it, dear Lisa dear Lisa
    With what shall I fix it, dear Lisa with what

    With a straw dear Henry, dear Henry, dear Henry
    With a straw, dear Henry, dear Henry, with a straw

    But the straw is too long, dear Lisa dear Lisa
    The straw is too long, dear Lisa too long

    Cut it, dear Henry, dear Henry, dear Henry
    Cut it, dear Henry, dear Henry, cut it

    With what shall I cut it, dear Lisa, dear Lisa
    With what shall I cut it, dear Lisa with what

    With an axe, dear Henry, dear Henry, dear Henry
    With an axe, dear Henry, dear Henry, with an axe

    The axe is too dull, dear Lisa, dear Lisa
    The axe is too dull, dear Lisa too dull

    Sharpen it, dear Henry, dear Henry, dear Henry
    Sharpen it, dear Henry, dear Henry, hone it

    On what shall I sharpen it, dear Lisa dear Lisa
    On what shall I hone it, dear Lisa on what

    On a stone, dear Henry, dear Henry, dear Henry
    On a stone, dear Henry, dear Henry, with a stone

    But the stone is too dry, dear Lisa dear Lisa
    The stone is too dry, dear Lisa too dry

    Well wet it, dear Henry, dear Henry, dear Henry
    Well wet it, dear Henry, dear Henry, wet it

    With what shall I wet it, dear Lisa, dear Lisa
    With what shall I wet it, dear Lisa with what

    Try water, dear Henry, dear Henry, dear Henry
    Try water, dear Henry, dear Henry, use water

    In what shall I fetch it, dear Lisa, dear Lisa
    In what shall I fetch it, dear Lisa in what

    In a bucket, dear Henry, dear Henry, dear Henry
    In a bucket, dear Henry, dear Henry, in a bucket

    (but…but..)
    There’s a hole in the bucket, dear Lisa, dear Lisa
    There’s a hole in the bucket, dear Lisa a hole

  111. Viqar Minai says:
    October 11th, 2007 11:52 am

    MQ,
    Nice song. Its good to meet someone who went to school earlier than I did. When would that be?

    I matriculated in 1960.

  112. October 11th, 2007 1:17 pm

    People talk about the bad things happening in Pakistan, but I would like to paint the horrible future that I can foresee happening to Pakistan if not sooner than later.
    Back in 2001 when I was in California, even the general public in US (who are usually ignorant of the world politics and usually don’t care), was more skeptic about Pakistan then Iran or even Afghanistan, there was a general consensus (which I believe is still there) , that Pakistan Army is part of the problem (perhaps the problem itself) not the part of the solution.
    I recall several of those documentaries on PBS which showed what Pakistan Army is. Though at the moment Bush has convinced large part of his associates that Mush with his army generals can be part of the solution, however as US has not been successful in getting Afghanistan back to normal and get rid of Taliban there, and as is apparent that the Pakistan Afghan border is still a “safe haven” for the so-call Alqaeda , proves that Pakistan Army is still the biggest the problem. General knows it clearly that is why in each of his interview he would try to refute vigorously the term “safe haven”.
    Now coming back to future of Pakistan, I believe that sooner or later only option left with US will be to attack Pakistan , that is what Rice suggested in 2001. (I would just smile if somebody says Pakistan is nuclear power and so and so…). And then the real future is what the present of Iraq is. Iraq army including Saddam Hussein were as blue eyed to US in 80′s as our General and army is. But then there was Abu Ghraib for them.
    There is somehow another coincidence between Iraq and Pakistan , long time ago Saddam Hussien ordered his chemical Ali killing of Shia at the time when Iran was sounding the “Marg ber US” and Shias were greatest enemy of US and then he was sentenced to be hanged till death for the same crime, chemical Ali along with him.
    And just recently our General ordered his chemical Tariq killing of so-called Taliban in the capital. I am just wondering what will happen to them in 2011.

  113. Abid says:
    October 11th, 2007 1:46 pm

    MQ,

    Suppose the bucket, represent the Establishment itself. And if it cannot “hold” the water of the word – this bucket (er.. the Establishment) must definitely have a hole in it. If a nation is to change, the Establishment must first change, or better yet time for a change to a new bucket (i.e. a new breed of politicians and leaders).

    Just a thought ….

  114. MQ says:
    October 11th, 2007 1:50 pm

    Viqar,

    Sorry, your song misled me. I graduated much later but I had flunked a lot.

  115. AUK says:
    October 11th, 2007 1:51 pm

    Viqar, Brilliant analysis. Congratulations for being the first one to have seen through the General’s alternate plan.
    I see a few impediments to this being needed.
    First the SC with some coaxing & cajouling, and a fair mix of threats should return the verdict expected of them. The government only needs 6 judges on its side. 5 are already known to be with them. It should be easy to get a 6th one to agree. However like all good military planners, the general is prepared in case of any eventuality.
    2nd, news from Capitol Hill is that the leading lawmakers are getting antsy with the General as according to them he is not doing enough. This is a signal that they are ready for a transition to “moderate democratic setup”. I think that the Republicans are still on his side. It is the democrats who have been wowed by BB, and they are increasingly making noises for her (yesterday’s House Armed Services meeting discussed Pakistan’s prevailing situation). I think that the current leadership did a poor job of engaging with Nanci Pelosi (when she visited Pakistan last year after her win), and BB jumped on the opportunity.
    Last, we should not forget that the General is only a phone call away from going 180 on any previous policy decision.
    So I am sticking to my previous thesis, that Q Leaguers are going to be the losers in all this, the General will stay on, and BB will get on with the job of turning the country upside down once again.

  116. Social Mistri says:
    October 11th, 2007 10:22 pm

    kamal hay… abhi hua kuch hay nahien, and congratulatory pats on the back are liberally being sprinkled left, right and center as if muft kay miltay ho’n… but wait… oh… haan… muft kay miltay HEIN. Wellthen… Nevermind…

    How has anyone “seen through the general’s alternate plans” when the alternate plans are nowhere to be seen other than as figments of a few folks’ imagination? When they unfold and begin happening in this world that the rest of us live in, only then are they the “general’s plans”. Right now they are just a clever concoction in someone’s upar-vali-manzil (i.e. bheja).

    And speaking of the KSE, ahahahahaha! Maza aa gaya. All time high…. kand tap tay chummi laey!

  117. October 12th, 2007 1:48 pm

    General is now absolutely furstrated. Please check this BBC news item http://tinyurl.com/2q9qyh
    where for the first time he has started to blame his own soldiers. There is also a good news in that at least there are some signs that this Army mafia now has internal rifts, I am expecting that when General refuses to doff his uniform after 15th November, this rift will surface more clearly.
    General is also interested in the third term meaning he wants to be there till 2017 if not died before that.

  118. Jamshed says:
    October 12th, 2007 7:34 pm

    You are all probably right, army rule is not good…but seriously just think about it for a moment ……the alternative..Bhutto or Nawaz….you must be kidding..or we are so naive….No way in hell we want thugs and thieves back in the government who have raped Pakistan for years and have done absolutely nothing for Pakistani people……come on people. Please wake up…..put all these thugs and thieves back where they belong and bring in some new blood that would do something good for my Pakistan…

    Pakistan Zindabad

  119. Sohna says:
    October 13th, 2007 11:54 pm

    Musharraf was fired in Oct 1999 by the civilian head of country, who used his legitimate right to fire an incompetent and a renegade army chief.

    Mush is an illegitimate head of army. There should be a lawsuit on Musharraf for illegally and forcefully occupying the post of the army chief.

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