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Sri Lankan Cricketers Attacked by Gunmen

Posted on March 3, 2009
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In this still-developing story, unknown gunmen opened fire on the Sri Lankan cricket team bus near Gaddafi Stadium, Lahore leaving several security officials dead and several Sri Lankan cricketers were rushed to the hospital.

The News is reporting at least 5 security officials dead while The Times reports that as many as 8 Sri Lankan crickets might have been injured. However, latest reports point out that the injuries to the players are minor, although the shock is deep.

According to an earlier report from the Associated Press:

LAHORE, Pakistan (AP) — A dozen masked gunmen armed with rifles and rocket launchers attacked a vehicle carrying members of Sri Lanka’s national cricket team Tuesday, wounding at least two players and killing five police officers, officials said.

The attack in Lahore came at a time of unrest in both Pakistan and Sri Lanka, both of whom are trying to defeat insurgencies. It was unclear who was behind the assault, but it appeared to have been carefully coordinated. City police chief Haji Habibur Rehman said five policemen died in the shooting and that two players were wounded. A Pakistan Cricket Board security official had earlier said eight players were wounded.

“It was a terrorist attack and the terrorists used rocket launchers, hand grenades and other weapons,” Rehman said, adding that the police were hunting down the attackers who managed to flee. “Our police sacrificed their lives to protect the Sri Lankan team.”
He said one wounded player was hit in the leg while the other received a bullet in the chest.
Sri Lankan team manager Brendon Kruppu said the team’s batsman, Kumar Sangakkara, was among those injured near Gaddafi Stadium ahead of a game. Rehman said 12 masked gunmen participated in the attack. Footage from the scene Tuesday showed the team’s white van with its front window shattered as security officials tried to gain control of the scene in an intersection.
Security concerns have plagued Pakistan for years and some foreign sports teams have refused to play here.

Most of the violence in Pakistan occurs in its northwest regions bordering Afghanistan, where Taliban and al-Qaida militants have established strongholds. Lahore has not been immune from militant violence however, and at least one attack in recent months in the northwest has occurred next to a sports stadium. Sri Lanka appeared on the brink of crushing the Tamil Tiger rebels after more than a quarter century of civil war.

In recent months, government forces have pushed the guerrillas out of much of the de facto state they controlled in the north of the Indian Ocean island nation and trapped them in a small patch of land along the coast. The rebels, who are fighting for an independent state for Sri Lanka’s Tamil minority, are listed as a terror group by the U.S. and EU and are routinely blamed for suicide bombings and other attacks targeting civilians.

The rebels rarely launch attacks outside Sri Lanka, though their most prominent attack — the assassination of former Indian Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi by a female suicide bomber — took place at an election rally in India in 1991.

As reader Eidee Man wrote in his comment elsewhere on thsi blog (in alerting us to this news): “Everything is officially going to hell.”

222 Comments on “Sri Lankan Cricketers Attacked by Gunmen”

  1. auk says:
    March 3rd, 2009 12:54 am

    Peace deal with these people! Who are we kidding?

    They are so ready to meet their maker – let’s send them to hell right here right now; NO exceptions NO deals.

  2. Akif Nizam says:
    March 3rd, 2009 1:18 am

    The last nail in the coffin of Pakistani cricket. I think Pakistanis should make Ludo their national past time.

  3. Undercover Indian says:
    March 3rd, 2009 1:19 am

    Absolutely shocking. This has to be a new low. Shameful.What is happening to Pakistan , anyone please!!

  4. Jaya says:
    March 3rd, 2009 1:21 am

    This is most dispicable. Why are our nations the target of such henious attacks. No efforts should be spared to root out terrorism from everywhere.

  5. ASAD says:
    March 3rd, 2009 1:22 am

    Akif, cricket is the least of my worries. The important thing is what is happening to our society.

  6. Neena says:
    March 3rd, 2009 1:25 am

    Something tells me Zia factor is very much alive in our Army and they are twisting everyones arms to make such deals. PPP must be out of their mind to make deal with their’s leader’s killers.

    Things are getting insane by hours, young school girls are killed by suicide bomber in Baluchistan.

    http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2009%5C03%5C03%5Cstory_3-3-2009_pg1_6

  7. Nalin says:
    March 3rd, 2009 1:27 am

    As a Sri Lankan I am shocked and amazed at this. I am thankful that none of the players has been seriously injured and from what I am seeing on television the security guards were brave and many died in saving the players. We Sri Lankans know terrorism in our own country so we know that terrorists cannot be controlled. But we all really need to find better ways to deal with this. The world is really becoming hell.

  8. Daud says:
    March 3rd, 2009 1:29 am

    this is clearly the worst act of terrorism but let us not jump the gun on the details until we know them. There are many forces, not all Pakistani who may have wanted to organize this for their own purposes. And i do not just mean India, it could have been Tamil Tigers themselves. Or the Al-Qaida faction not happy with the Swat deal.

    All I am saying is that I do not know. Nor does anyone else, so lets ben careful before we sprinkle more oil over fire.

  9. Ghalib says:
    March 3rd, 2009 1:35 am

    lets wait before makin assumptions who did it! You never know who’s hands can be in this tragedy! india, tamils etc. I dont think so called talibans can do this since what agenda they will have against srilankans!!! this might be a paid job!!

  10. Qaiser Ali says:
    March 3rd, 2009 1:36 am

    What horrible news.

    So thankful that all the players are safe.

    The security officers who have given their lives for the players are to be commended and for their sake we must not let the killers who did this get away including those who planned this.

  11. Ghalib says:
    March 3rd, 2009 1:50 am

    if caught i guess they shud be hanged at liberty chowk without trial!!!! make an horrible example of them!

  12. Steve says:
    March 3rd, 2009 1:56 am

    This is the most shameful act ever in that Pakistan has allowed to happen. How could they transfer the Sri Lankan team in a standard bus…whatever happen to bullet proof vehicles, or are they all occupied by the PPP and PML-N people.

    I think Pakistan Cricket is in deep trouble and I am so sure that no country is ever going to come to Pakistan ever. I also have this feeling that ICC will not ban the team from any cricket activity for atleast a period of 5 years and if this happens..its will be a BLACK DAY to remember.

    The Government is a joke, the entire Judiciare is a joke and the Parliment is full of Clowns. Something needs to be done about this and it needs to be done NOW!!!…I don’t think, we, the People of Pakistan can wait any longer.

    Right now, I feel shameful of being a Pakistani.

  13. Aliya says:
    March 3rd, 2009 2:19 am

    There is something bigger afoot here. Two more car bombs have been diffused in Lahore. There are reports of other attacks in Lahore planned simultaneously. Bomb jackets and amunition has also been recovered from Model Town and elsewhere. Seems like a planned larger attack. Maybe a retaliation of some sort. Does not follow the pattern of previous bombings.

  14. coldrain says:
    March 3rd, 2009 2:21 am

    Although it is of little use, I would like to apologize to the Sri Lankan people on behalf of all Pakistanis. This is a terrible and despicable incident and we will suffer for it for a long time to come. Gone is the Pakistan of great hope, gone are the days when we could enjoy cricket and be happy that in one field at least, the world respected us and enjoyed coming to Pakistan.

    Everything sucks.

    Yet the leadership still has time to quarrel over power and seat distribution and disruption of elected governments. I pray that may no other country be punished with such a degenerate and incompetent bunch of leaders as Pakistan.

  15. Member of an Orphan Nation says:
    March 3rd, 2009 2:30 am

    I’ve been to almost all the famous websites about Pakistan and they all had one thing in common – everybody who left a comment condemned this attack and even some apologized from Sri Lankan nation. After all, they decided to visit PAK when nobody else was ready, for which we should be thankful to them.
    I’ve also been to some Indian websites e.g. Indian newspapers, the people, who left their comments over this despicable incident were all out bashing PAK and us as a nation. I felt so much hatred in their tone – I don’t know where they come from considering the fact that we are the biggest victims of “terrorism”.
    Anyhow, I really hope that all members of Lankan team are safe and that they all get their home unharmed.
    At the same time, we as a nation should get our heads out of our asses and get our act together and consider ourselves Pakistani first and then divide into what-the-heck-ever we want to be.

  16. Ch. Azfar Rana says:
    March 3rd, 2009 2:35 am

    These terrorists are attacking Pakistan again. They are killing Pakistanis and intimidating our guests and friends. Only enemies of Pakistan can do something so horrible.

  17. Arifa says:
    March 3rd, 2009 2:38 am

    This is a sad sad event. The forces of terror everywhere are seeming to win. Because they are bringing out the worst and spreading hate.

    I salute the bravery of the security guards who gave their lives and am so thankful to God that all the Sri Lankan players are safe. Although I can only imagine the trauma they have gone through. But at least they are all safe.

    As a Pakistani I apologize to all Sri Lankans that this happened on our soil, no matter who did this. I also salute the comments from the Sri lankan officials and team. They have all been dignified and instead of trying to raise hatred all of them are trying to bring calm. I wish our other neighbors could also learn to act with such grace.

    Again, my heart goes out to all Sri Lankans today and in salute to their cricketers.

  18. Arsalan says:
    March 3rd, 2009 2:42 am

    This is horrible. The stories now coming to light show that this was widely planned as a large operation. Whoever did it, whether the Al Qaida terrorists or Indians,they are enemies of Pakistan because they were targeting the cricketers but also Pakistan and Pakistanis. It is Pakistanis who have died and Pakistans guests who have been injured so that makes me very very angry.

    I am also thankful that the Sri Lankan players were not seriously hurt. My sympathy are with them and their families.

    Like others I will also say that the security people who died are the heroes who stood up to the terrorists and gave their lives to save our guests.

  19. Edward says:
    March 3rd, 2009 2:45 am

    Seems like we comdemn these things every week. Over and over again we say we’re speachless. Over and over again these things continue to happen.

    Unfortunately this is the beginning of Pakistan’s isolation from the world. I doubt we’ll see anyone from anywhere ever visit Pakistan for any reason for a VERY long time to come.

  20. Ayesha says:
    March 3rd, 2009 2:47 am

    My head is down in shame today. This is about human beings and we are all forgetting that.

    The people who died trying to save the players and the players who were injured, even if injury was not serious, those are the people this is about and I am so so very sorry to them and their family. My prayers are with all of them.

    We must root out terrorism. the terrorists want exactly this, to spread hate and fear and anger. let us not let them win, please.

  21. Yaseen says:
    March 3rd, 2009 2:52 am

    I don’t care about what Indian propagandists say. they are too full of hatred to feel for the Pakistani security guards who have died or the Sri lankan players who have been injured.

    My heart cries and in my eyes there are literally tears for Sri Lanka today. They have stood by Pakistan and even in their statements after the attack they have shown gracefullness. Thank you Sri Lanka and I cry for you today that we were not able to stop this. But we must do everything now to get the culprits, whoever they are.

  22. Member of an Orphan Nation says:
    March 3rd, 2009 2:57 am

    I’ve a suggestion. All readers of Pakistaniat.com should email Mr. Duleep Mendis at ceo@srilankacricket.lk, the chief Executive Officer of Sri Lankan Cricket Board, with our deepest condolence with the Lankan Team.

  23. Faraaz says:
    March 3rd, 2009 3:03 am

    death of Pakistan cricket…no one is going to come here anymore..

  24. Muhammad Rizwan Malik says:
    March 3rd, 2009 3:13 am

    A very sad day indeed. The Sri lankan team came to Pakistan at the time when no other team wanted to. And this is how we protect them??

    The deaths of 7 Pakistanis’ r also very sad but the injuries of Sri lankan players r gonna further isolate Pakistan.

    No one can deny dat there were security lapses in the incident. The attack took place in a posh area..What if the gunmen went on a rampage like Mumbai?? They cudve more ppl than mumbai. So, the government should stop pretending and admit its incapability.

    Afterall, the whole police force has been shook up with sudden postings by the governor.

    The terrorists r still at large in Lahore. And only Allah knows what they’r planning next.

    I suggest the SSG commandos should b brought in now for a search n kill operation b4 its too late. V should learn from Mumbai’s experience. Act as fast as u can to minimize civilian casualities..

  25. bonobashi says:
    March 3rd, 2009 3:25 am

    Along with every other peace-loving, sport-loving citizen of the world, I want to express my deep regret and sorrow at this terrible incident, and at the loss of life of the loyal, disciplined policemen who died defending their guests. It was an especially poignant note for a policeman’s son.

    @Member of an Orphan Nation (I am sorry if there is any minor error in your nickname, I am citing it from memory)

    The quality and standard of comment and dialogue in most web-sites of the sort that you have browsed through is deplorable, to say the least. Even in cases where the commentator is well-meaning, the refusal to accept facts, also the one-sidedness is so deep-rooted that only an infinite fund of patience can drive one through such a conversation.

    I am deeply embarrassed at your experience. It appears that you have read some of these yahoos at their worst. It is difficult to make amends for their bad manners and their bigotry, but the only thing I can say is that there are very, very large numbers of Indians who do not think that way. This is the vocal and shrill minority that gets heard because of the high pitch of their tones, and the rudeness and bad manners of their messages.

    There are such riff-raff to be found everywhere; I am merely taking responsibility and accepting your just strictures on behalf of that particular bunch of oafs who happen to have Indian citizenship. You can have no idea how much decent Indians regret that bad behaviour.

  26. libertarian says:
    March 3rd, 2009 3:46 am

    I am deeply embarrassed at your experience. <snip> … I am merely taking responsibility and accepting your just strictures on behalf of that particular bunch of oafs who happen to have Indian citizenship.

    Nice of you Bonobashi. Also very patronizing. Now if you’ll cease your little soapbox, get off your moral pedestal and stop speaking on other folks’ behalf, it would be quite welcome. Alternately, if your heart bleeds thus, why not apply for Pakistani citizenship – so you can truly relate to the joys and sorrows it brings?

  27. Member of an Orphan Nation says:
    March 3rd, 2009 3:51 am

    @bonobashi
    I live in a mutilcultural society and very good friends of mine are Indians. And, you don’t have to be embarrassed over other people’s actions. :)
    Anyhow, a sad day for cricket in general.

  28. Saim says:
    March 3rd, 2009 4:00 am

    My worst fears have come alive. When other countries were cancelling their tours, I thaught that Pakistani govt shud have cancelled the event as something in me was telling me that something bad can happen and Alas it has. I feel ashamed and want to apologize to each and every Srilankan (esp to the cricketers and their families) on behalf of my country for this sad event. I want to thank the Sri Lankan cricket board and the team for supporting Pakistan when everyone abandoned us but I am ashamed that the security forces of my country were not able to provide u all with the desired security. Without a doubt, this was the last nail in the cricket history of Pakistan. May Allah give strength to the familites of the sri lankan cricketers.

  29. faisal says:
    March 3rd, 2009 4:05 am

    Really really disgusting act.

    Time to de weaponize our sociteies. As long as people have virtually unhindered access to some of the most lethal firearms and explosives, this will continue. There should be zero tolerance when it comes to weapnization.

    I just read today some guy from ANP saying something like pakhtoons will never hand over their weapons, since its a matter of pride for pakhtoons, and it scared the hell out of me.

    Our politicans need to wakeup, extremism, is eating our nation, and we are wasting energies on restoring a murderer.

  30. bonobash says:
    March 3rd, 2009 4:13 am

    @ libertarian

    //I am deeply embarrassed at your experience.

  31. D_a_n says:
    March 3rd, 2009 4:41 am

    Another day to hang our heads in shame….something else to leave us speechless……to rob us of diginity….

    I cannot thank the SL team for coming to Pakistan to play when no one else would..they stood by us..just as we stood by them when no teams werent willing to goto SL…

    They have always been good friends of Pakistan cricket…and the statements of Sangakkara and co. even after this has happened shown that they are made or superior stuff..

    I wont attempt an apology to the SL team and people because an apology doesnt do justice to the anger and shame I feel…

    but I will ask them to remember that 5 of our policemen stood their ground and fought off the attackers and laid down their lives for the SL team and for Pakistan…so while you were attacked in Pakistan….please remember that we spilt blood to protect you…we only wish we could have done more…
    These brave Jawans represent us at our best…..as does every jawan who has fallen to the animals gnawing at Pakistan from within and without…
    May Allah’s glory embrace them..

    @ Libertarian…
    While I can understand where your coming from..I feel that your comments towards Bonobashi were too harsh..in fact unwarranted…
    I didnt feel that he was being patronizing…in fact I felt that he was sincere in what he said…His is a sane voice…it needs to be respected…

  32. March 3rd, 2009 4:51 am

    I think our security agencies should wake up now and get down to the business for they have been created. The Punjab governor should also concentrate on what his to do instead of holding press conferences against the mainstream political parties on behalf of a party.
    Following the imposition of governor rule in Punjab, governor and federal government went on a extensive reshuffling in police in Lahore and all across Punjab. When those responsible for the security of others have to save their own skin, such incidents definitely occur.

  33. Khan says:
    March 3rd, 2009 4:57 am

    I wonder these people who are involved how do they eat their food of the money they get to commit this shameful act we have witnessed today.
    May God give them the worst of hell!

  34. Indian says:
    March 3rd, 2009 5:06 am

    This is shocking . Very shocking indeed.

    i just have a gut feeling that they were meant for TEAM INDIA.

    its our good luck that the tour got cancelled……else there would have been war.

    anyway i offer my condolences to everyone affected.

    I feel sorry for my pakistani friends.

  35. Zaheer Qadri says:
    March 3rd, 2009 5:32 am

    My prayers and thoughts are with the Pakistani soldiers and security people who gave their lives saving the Sri Lankan cricketers.

  36. Another Indian says:
    March 3rd, 2009 5:37 am

    26/11, kidnappings of western diplomats, killings of Pakistani reporter, and now attack on Sri Lankan team inside Pakistan, this is definately a strategy to destabilize Pakistan. an effort to try to ensure that Pakistan is either attacked by another nation or condemned by the world….. and then suddently there will be a hero, or a organization that will help Pakistan and take leadership and drive Pakistan thru the crisis. This planners do not seem to be from outside Pakistan but are very much within Pakistan.

    Who is this hidden leader / organization? Pakistan needs to find and eliminate them.

  37. Javed Asghar says:
    March 3rd, 2009 7:04 am

    Like others I also am proud of the jawans and the driver who did so much to save the players and because of whose sacrifice the players are now safe. They are the real heroes and they are the real Pakistanis. We are proud of them

  38. Nihari says:
    March 3rd, 2009 7:12 am

    The funny statement is “No Pakistani can do these things”. We have been killing our innocent brothers, sisters and kids on the name of Islam. Just shaving the beard is a sin which should be punished by bombarding the barber shop. We have been destroying schools for which our tv anchors have been providing excuses. We can not sow maize and expect wheat…We are getting what we deserve….

  39. Surath says:
    March 3rd, 2009 7:33 am

    Dear Pakistan brothers ,

    Pakistan is a great friend of Sri Lanka all time. Sri Lanka shouldn’t blame Pakistan or Pakistan people. Whole nation thankful to the brave bus driver and the security personals who sacrificed their lives to protect our cricketers. Our hearts go out to the families of security personals who died in this attack.
    Pakistan should stand against these extremists ,otherwise Pakistan will become another Afghanistan.

    A Sri Lankan.

  40. ivehadit says:
    March 3rd, 2009 7:48 am

    Cry, my beloved country. It’s handwringing time again. The question again “who would do this to us?”.

    The enemy is us, however. From Daniel Pearl to Piotr Stanczak, we’ve just been raking it all under the rug.

    Ordinary Pakistani’s need to challenge themselves on what civil society really means. Finger pointing and conspiracy theories need to be put aside. The unfortunate reality for all to ponder is: are well meaning Pakistani’s, who would ordinarily flinch at the killing of a fly, willing to tolerate these acts as justifiable acts for imagined hurts and grievances rather than calling these criminals for what they are – bloodthirsty murderers.

  41. faisal says:
    March 3rd, 2009 7:58 am

    Is it our war now?

  42. Gorki says:
    March 3rd, 2009 8:21 am

    I got up early to go to work and read an email from a cricketer friend informing me of this shocking news.

    It is indeed shocking news but I am happy that no player was killed. In some ways this attack reminds me of the attack on the Indian Parliament a few years ago in which also several policemen died but they effectively foiled the attackers.
    That attack united the Indian nation against the attackers as never before.

    Hope fully the blood of the brave policemen who gave their lives in this attack will similarly unite the Pakistani society, regardless of the individual politics, solidly behind the authorities.

    I am surprised that the attackers were so blind that they did not see how much goodwill they would lose with brazen attack like this. Then again perhaps the Pakistani authorities have wrested the initiative in its fight against the militants and this may be a desperate move on the part of the militants.

  43. Aamir Ali says:
    March 3rd, 2009 8:40 am

    Pakistan has been helping Sri Lanka rid themselves of Tamil Tigers, and folks have been unhappy over it. Could this attack be linked to that?

  44. Nostalgic says:
    March 3rd, 2009 8:52 am

    Already there are those who have magically discovered the “foreign hand”… wake up and smell the coffee, my fellow Pakistanis… this cancer festers inside us and we remain blind to it… how much more embarrassment and ridicule will these people bring us before we say enough?

    I’ve said it before and I will say it again… kill them! Brutally and mercilessly slaughter all those amongst us, and they are amongst us, who are in any way linked to these groups and ideologies…

  45. an_officer_and_a_gentleman says:
    March 3rd, 2009 8:54 am

    It is a shame for us Pakistanis. We invite friends to our home to play and then try to kill them. I don

  46. Khurram Farooqui says:
    March 3rd, 2009 8:58 am

    It saddens me to see that some people here and in the media are so quick to point fingers at India. When the Mumbai attack happened these same people were angry that the Indian media immediately blamed Pakistan.

    In the last issue of the New Yorker magazine, there is an article which states that India and Pakistan were very close to announcing an understanding on the issue of Kashmir (as well as Siachen and Sir Creek). The turmoil caused by the firing of the Chief Justice and the subsequent events which led to Musharraf’s resignation caused the announcement to be shelved. Given the current situation it is hard to imagine that we will get back to that point any time soon.

    I don’t know what the solution to Pakistan’s problems is, or if there is even a solution any more. Things seem to be too far gone. We do not have a functioning government. We do not have a sense of civic purpose. We do not have a military that can protect our people from those among us who seek to destroy us. We do not have a common vision of the reason of being for Pakistan, and we don’t even have agreement on the teachings of Islam or who/what a muslim is.

  47. Jusathot says:
    March 3rd, 2009 9:00 am

    As usual many folks in the subcontinent have begun finger-pointing in earnest.
    Whether anybody knows or NOT who done it

  48. Muhammad Rizwan Malik says:
    March 3rd, 2009 9:07 am

    This incident shoudnt b seen in da context dat 7 ppl died and 4 cricketrs were injured.

    The more intruguing fact is the skill of the terrorists and their ammunition. They had latest weapons, a very deadly strategy and a successful evading plan too!

    They came and kept on firing for at least 25 minutes in one of the most posh areas of lahore.

    I hate to imagine what if they decided to go on a rampage in Mumbai-style!

    The worst part is, that these terrorists are still at large! They escaped on foot! And they’r still in lahore. The government should act ASAP and flush them out b4 its too late, if they really wanna minimize civilian casualities.

  49. Mamoon says:
    March 3rd, 2009 9:14 am

    I always thought I have seen it all happining in pakistan. But there is always another level.
    First of all I am extremely apologetic to Srilankan nation and esp the srilankan cricket team and board. They ve been with us through thick n thin in present times, but this is how we ve rewarded them.
    My heart is crying inside but I dont know what to say, as lot has been said and will be said in coming times. I dont know what jolt we need as a nation that ll unite us against this brutality and inhumanity. I know some ll try to justify all this by comparing it with iraq n afghanistan. But for God sake wake up !!
    Its us that are bleeding day in and day out & all we hear is judiciary , long march and more killing.
    We dont know who precious FREEDOM is. Ask those who havent got their homeland. Its all being planned and executed under our noses.
    Forget the govt ..they have more imp. issues to handle like mobile courts etc. Come on pakistan, lets for once stand up together and leave some sort of pride for our next generation………

  50. March 3rd, 2009 9:44 am

    Almighty Allah ,this our beloved country is gifted by you after our unprecedental secrefices for impementing your rule ,we are followers of your religion sent by you through your beloved prophet MUHANNAD [S.A.W.]nothing is hidden from you as to how we are being dishounoured ,ruined,and non-believers crushing us and controlling us through our people who are behind worldly glamour and love for material world,forgetting their eiman,please forgive our faults and help us ,save us our beloved country to achieve our goal of implimenting Nizam-e Mustafa as we had promised at the time of taking your gift,

  51. AMIN PANAAWALA says:
    March 3rd, 2009 10:03 am

    In view of this very very very serious situation I suggest to form thinktank by all the patriotic pakistani intellectuals ,highly qualified, expert in their respective field without discrimanation of class,to put all the senses to the problems and made a plan for the survival of our country from mess.All politicians ,president,prime minister,army,patriotic pakistani should cooperate and help.MAP

  52. Asad Khan says:
    March 3rd, 2009 10:08 am

    This is in response to the gentleman a few entries below saying that he feels remorse that Pakistanis are so quick to blame Indians. Well, I am one of them, and here are my reasons. You are free to disagree.

    Firstly, after the Mumbai attacks India did blame Pakistan without any hesitation moments after. I am not saying Pakistan had nothing to do with it, I am not saying Pakistan land wasn’t used, etc. But I do think that India released a premature statement before any investigation.

    Secondly, if Taliban are behind this, I don’t understand their motive. This is not the English team, this is not the Indian team. What do the Taliban have against the Sri Lankan team. So this was obviously and clearly only done to destabilize Pakistan and make Pakistan appear a failed state, which it already seems to appear. Who would benefit from that? Taliban? I don’t think so.

  53. Khurram Farooqui says:
    March 3rd, 2009 10:08 am

    Dear Amin Panaawala,

    It seems from your post that you are implying that the people who instigated this crime are righteous muslims who aim to implement “Nizam-e-Mustafa”, while people who are shocked and dismayed by the events of today are either “non-believers” or people who have forgotton their eiman.

    If that is the case then I pray to my Allah to give you guidance.

  54. Khurram Farooqui says:
    March 3rd, 2009 10:16 am

    Hi Asad Khan,

    I understand what you are saying. All I am requesting is that we not jump to conclusions without some credible evidence.

    But I am sure that you will not disagree that a lot of what happens in Pakistan in the name of Islam defies rhyme or reason. If you need evidence that there are elements in our own society who think that this act is justified and furthers the cause of an Islamic Pakistani nation, please refer to Mr. Amin Paanawala’s comment just before yours. Unless you think he is a RAW agent.

  55. Zafar says:
    March 3rd, 2009 10:29 am

    As we read this with sorrow, somewhere is India, champagnes are being poured.
    Thanks to a–holes who commit such crimes, media like Fox News Channel will thrive.

  56. PakWatcher says:
    March 3rd, 2009 10:32 am

    I feel for the average Pakistani who is so passionate about the game of cricket. Its a sad day for every true Pakistani and sports fans through out the world.
    The loss of lives of the security guards is as tragic as the loss of life of any other. The only silver lining I can see is that if Pak authorities ( ISI and Army ) , finally get the message that there are no good militants and no good terrorists, irrespective of whom they target.
    It’s the leadership of these terrorist groups that needs to be dismantled. The attackers were just the foot soldiers.

  57. Asad Khan says:
    March 3rd, 2009 10:39 am

    I am confused by your response. My comments had nothing to do with religion. I think you are confusing me and Mr. Amin (who I don’t think is a member of RAW :).

    I am not sure if you are suggesting that I support the attack, that I agree with those who find justification in such acts, or that I support mindless dining room conversations about the Islam Republic of Pakistan.

    I do find it interesting that you are blaming others for being quick to judge, yet from my one response you have derived that I am a pro-islamic fascist who supports such acts. Great logic, bravo!

    You are free to respond, but I will not be entertaining a lost point anymore.

  58. jk says:
    March 3rd, 2009 10:39 am

    Alas, people are still too deluded to even briefly entertain the thought that these were home grown criminals. Yes, it is very possible that these were related to the Taliban. Destabilizing the government is one of their goals. Why is that so hard to believe?

  59. Owais Mughal says:
    March 3rd, 2009 10:57 am

    I am very saddened to hear about this horrific news. I think no international team will now visit Pak for atleast 3 years. That brings the demise of international sports in Pakistan.

  60. Derek says:
    March 3rd, 2009 11:10 am

    My question is, “How, after 25 minutes of guns, grenades, and rockets, did they escape ?” Police on the ground didn’t watch where they went ? No helicopters in the air ?

  61. digitalcntrl says:
    March 3rd, 2009 11:12 am

    “Firstly, after the Mumbai attacks India did blame Pakistan without any hesitation moments after. I am not saying Pakistan had nothing to do with it, I am not saying Pakistan land wasn

  62. Khurram Farooqui says:
    March 3rd, 2009 11:20 am

    Asad Khan Sahib,

    I think you misunderstood my intention in my response, for which I apologize. I was only commenting on your point that you did not understand the motive if Taliban were involved.

    What I was trying to say was that there are people in Pakistan (not you!) who believe that this was an act which furthers the cause of Islam. And I was pointing to Paanawala sahib’s comment as evidence. So we cannot rule out the possibility that this was done by people in Pakistan.

    I hope this clears it up. Accusing you of supporting this act was not at all what I wanted to do.

  63. undercover Indian says:
    March 3rd, 2009 11:26 am

    Some views from India:

    Most of Indians are shocked because cricketers were targeted. But at same time many comment that this was bound to happen. Whole world can see how violent Pakistan has become in recent times and how Islamic militants who it has nurtured over the years on one pretext or the other (Afghanistan to Kashmir) have not gone rogue. Just few weeks back a province was given on platter to Taliban by Govt of Pakistan. Is that just a beginning !! Some views here:

    According to cricket historian Ramchandra Guha.”The world of cricket has lost innocence today”

    Today’s event is very puzzling. One can think of LTTE and Taliban behind the attack, but again these are cricketers. May be, Taliban is interested in general instability. But why Sri Lankans? The Sri Lankans stepped into Indian shoes when the Indian team refused to tour Pakistan. It was a non-political and gentlemanly act of the Sri Lankan side to come forward to play in Pakistan.

    The attack on Sri Lankan cricketers defies rationale and even irrational logic. Pakistan is victim of sectarian and other kinds of violence since long. One has seen Shia-Sunni riots, Taliban versus military conflict and Balochs versus foreigners. We have heard about Americans being kidnapped, but this attack defies logic, completely. This attack is absolutely frightening.

  64. Rehan says:
    March 3rd, 2009 11:36 am

    In a country where cricket is the most popular activity for masses, most people’s sentiments would be affected by such a cowardly attack on a guest team.

    Who would benefit from planning such an attack? Apparently not a suicide attack. Seemed very well planned yet the attackers were successful in getting away and left behind ‘evidence’.

    Fight to martyrdom was obviously not on the minds of these attackers. Also, killing at least some members of the squad was very much possible if these attackers were determined to fight to death. That did not happen.

    Obviously, successful escape was an extremely important part of their mission.

    What are the most obvious results of this attack:

    1. A wave of public sentiment against the perpetrators. Based on recent events, the perpetrators should be: LeT or Swat Taliban clan, Baitullah Mehsood clan, or AlQaida.

    2. Severe erosion of remaining public support for Jihadi groups.

    3. Continuation of major hits to Pakistan economy.

    4. If the perpetrators are indeed one of the Jihadi groups, this event is another message to the government that the fight against them by Pak forces can be brought into major cities. This event might be a reaction to some new achievements or operations by Pak or US forces in northern areas.

  65. March 3rd, 2009 11:41 am

    Terrorist Attack on Sri Lankan Cricket Team: Are Governor Punjab Transfers of High Police Officials and Administrative authorities caused this situation to be happening?

    http://tinyurl.com/b8ygak

  66. Aqil says:
    March 3rd, 2009 11:43 am

    The theories doing the rounds

    1. India, with the aim of discreditting Pakistan, knowing fully well the importance cricket has.
    2. Taliban/religious groups. No clear motive or reason is given for this theory.
    3. Internal forces within Pakistan to divert attention from the upcoming long march and to find an excuse for using force against the lawyers and other political activists in the name of security etc.

  67. Aamir Ali says:
    March 3rd, 2009 11:44 am

    Indians are gloating over this attack. As expected.

  68. Undercover Indian says:
    March 3rd, 2009 11:53 am

    @Aamir Ali

    Even if Indians are gloating, as you wrongly assume they are, you cant blame us. Can you!! I mean, come on. You know what I mean.

    It is taught in schools that “You reap what you sow”. How long will you be in self denial and keep training lunatics to fight jihads in neighboring countries and still pretend that these lunatics will be “sensible” enough not to turn against you one day!! Swat valley is already an example…… You give then an inch and they are now coming for yard.

    Frightening….

  69. March 3rd, 2009 11:57 am

    Indian FM Mukherjee and other politicians said several times that Pakistan will have to face consequences of Mumbai attacks so we are facing. Indians in action.

  70. Aamir Ali says:
    March 3rd, 2009 12:01 pm

    @Undercover Indian

    Yes I blame Indians for supporting terrorism via Mukti Bahini in East Pakistan, via Tamil Tigers in Sri Lanka and via Baloch warlords in West Pakistan.

    Quite a few Indians are gleeful at this attack inside Pakistan, thinking this is payback for Mumbai. You mix that with Indian denial of their home-grown terrorism problem, and you ensure that terror also will continue in India.

  71. kishan.srilanka says:
    March 3rd, 2009 12:03 pm

    we need our cricket team….

  72. Usman says:
    March 3rd, 2009 12:04 pm

    Looks like revenge for mumbai attacks.

  73. Hammad says:
    March 3rd, 2009 12:05 pm

    Very tragic event. Not a great end to such a friendly gesture by the Sri Lankan government.

    Hammad ul Haq
    http://beta.vajood.com/

  74. SRI LANKAN says:
    March 3rd, 2009 12:17 pm

    I find the attitudes of most Indians as well as Pakistanis on most websites quite disgusting. Here you have some at lease more human people but many are equally disgusting.

    Can you guys forget for a moment whatever your childish squabbles are. Both the Indian and the Pakistani commentators seem to have no regard or concern for the human beings effected. You seem to only want to score points at each other and have no regard for the human suffering of teh Sri lankan cricketers or the guards who gave their life.

    Shame on all of you.

  75. Indian says:
    March 3rd, 2009 12:28 pm

    Kindly have some sense into what u are saying.

    >> NO BULLET PROOF GLASS in the Sri Lankan team bus.

    >>NO COMMANDO PROTECTION to Sri Lankan team.Commando protection is NATURAL considering the number of terror attacks in Pakistan..

    Above two are very basic security requirement MISSED BY SECURITY AGENCIES.

    >>How did terrorist KNEW THE ROUTE of the SL team bus??

    Another MAJOR QUESTION.

    >>How could ALL 12 TERRORIST ESCAPE?????????

  76. Jeevan says:
    March 3rd, 2009 12:34 pm

    To the Sri Lankan,

    Your point is very well appreciated here, and while all of India and the entire Pakistan feel sad about the killings (sacrifice) of police and are relieved to see that the cricketers are safe, incidence like this are actually causing more rift in India – Pakistan relationship, and this has become the focus of this discussion in this blog, with blame, counter blames and inflamed ego and anger. It is really disheartening to see such blames and increase in rift amongst people and government. I am hopeful like many people across the globe that the true picture will turn up and the guilty are punished very soon.

    But you can be sure that the entire world is with the Sri Lankan team, and all thank god that the team was safe and sound.

  77. amina khan north pakistan says:
    March 3rd, 2009 12:35 pm

    Cricket is the only happiness for Pakistani people but they have taken away that happiness from them, I remember when I was home I use to have tasbee in my hand and pray for Pakistan Cricket teem to win, or when I was really young my uncle and all his friends use to have a old radio that they can hear the commentary of Pakistan cricket, it was not only me who prayed for our team all the people in my village, town and country have the same situation when ever Pakistani teams play. Cricket is like a religion to us, I don

  78. Aamir Ali says:
    March 3rd, 2009 12:42 pm

    When Mumbai attacks happened, Pakistanis and their govt condemned it.

    When attack on Sri Lankan team in Pakistan happened, Indians gloated all over the world.

    The difference between the two countries.

  79. Indian says:
    March 3rd, 2009 12:46 pm

    Indian government too condenmed it.

    As far as indian reaction is concerned. Its natural.

    Victim always rejoice when the perpetrators get killed.

  80. suresh says:
    March 3rd, 2009 1:02 pm

    The heros in this tragedy are the security people who gave their lives to make sure that the Sri Lankan cricketers were not harmed. What greater sacrifice for security could there be.

    I think also heroes for me are the Sri Lankan players and officials for their dignity in their comments. A great contrast to the Indian media and commenters.

  81. Riaz Haq says:
    March 3rd, 2009 1:15 pm

    While it is possible that Pakistani militants or political opponents of the PPP carried out this shocking and tragic attack, external elements from India or Sri Lanks can not be ruled out. In fact, the investigators should not rule out anything immediately and pursue all leads until they have good preliminary results.

    There has been a lot of discussion in India by former RAW officials to launch covert actions inside Pakistan after Mumbai. And, lately, the Tamil rebels have also been under a lot pressure in Sri Lanks by recent successes of the Lankan military. There are multiple external players with strong motivation to launch such an attack.

  82. Asad Khan says:
    March 3rd, 2009 2:00 pm

    There is no doubt this is a failure of immense magnitude as far as the security precautions provided by the government are concerned. The fact that 12 people were able to continue this rampage for half an hour, kill 8 people, and then walk away unharmed is mind boggling. But this is not the first time security has been more than loose in Pakistan. Marriot in ISB, Benazir’s assassination, etc. The lankan team should definitely have been provided more security. As far as the route is concerned, that’s a no brainer. There are only 2 main entrances to Gaddafi stadium, and the driver probably took the most direct path. If I were one of the dozen, that would have been the easy part to figure. The hard part would be to make it out alive and unharmed after having stayed there for 30 minutes. I’ll also add the driver being hailed as a hero – I mean it’s great what he did and saved the team otherwise we would have an even bigger egg on our face right now – it is only a miracle he and the players were saved. According to his own description of the events, the bus was first targetted with a rocket launcher that skidded off the top of the bus. There was a grenade that was thrown at the bus next which didn’t do much damage. After that he decided to make a run for it. The Sri Lankan team is alive because of their good luck – Pakistani security has shit to do with this. Then again, what would 10,000 cops do in front of a bloody rocket launcher aimed at a bus!

  83. KHAN says:
    March 3rd, 2009 2:17 pm

    All Pakistanis salute the brake guards and drivers who laid down their lives to save the visiting players and gave ultimate sacrifice.

    It is they who represent the majority of Pakistanis.

    To all Sri Lankan friends, our condolences are with you. i am so glad that no major injury was reported but ashamed that we live in a world where this is happening and in my country.

  84. G.A. Aslam says:
    March 3rd, 2009 2:30 pm

    I do not know who did this. But I know whoever it was the real face of enemy of Pakistan.

    I do not want to get into blame game. I remember how horrible the Indians looks when they immediately started pointing fingers to others. I do not want to be like them.

    Right now my prayers are with Sri Lankans in this time of tragedy and also with the families of the brake Pakistani soldiers who died while saving the Sri Lankan cricket team.

  85. Pakistani says:
    March 3rd, 2009 2:33 pm

    Dear SRI LANKAN

    You are exactly right and I apologize for the inhumanity of some the comments. I think many of my Pakistani friends and certainly many in Indian media etc. have lost sight of what this is really about. I do share you pain and have also a deep guilt that this happened in Pakistan. As other s have said, no matter who did this, they are enemies of Pakistan.

    Whoever did Mumbai and wherever they were trained they were enemies of humanity and of India. Whoever did this and wherever they were trained they are enemies of humanity and of Pakistan.

    Maybe it is because people are in pain that they are saying stupid things about this on TV and on blogs. But really our hearts are with you and your team.

    Also, I should say that I am extremely proud and impressed by the Sri Lankan team and the dignity with which they have reacted instead of pointing fingers looking at the real story. I wish that the Indians and Pakistanis here had the same dignity. Both Pakistan and India can certainly learn from Sri Lanka here.

  86. March 3rd, 2009 2:40 pm

    I would like to echo the comments of Amina and Amir entirely. I thought it best that ordinary Sri Lankans know of our fury at the evil hence I have been on the main Sri Lankan newspapers and blogs expressing our disgust. I urge you all to do the same.

    My post titled: Pakistan Stands with Sri Lanka is worth a read, see below:

    http://blog.otherpakistan.org/

    Sri Lanka and Pakistan Zindabad

    Wasim

  87. Salman Adil says:
    March 3rd, 2009 2:40 pm
  88. Indian says:
    March 3rd, 2009 2:52 pm

    MrAsad Khan,

    You are right. Its time to upgrade your security apparatus.

    Yeah the driver needs to be hailed as a hero.

    But what i find incredible is high profile TARGETS are so

    easily attacked. Be it BB assassination or Marriott bombings.

    Also my gut feeling tells me that the attack was originally planned for TEAM INDIA.

    Tour got canceled and Lankans were at the wrong place at the wrong time.

  89. Salma says:
    March 3rd, 2009 2:54 pm

    This is terrible.

    Thankful that no player was seriously injured but really feel bad and sorry that this happened in Pakistan to our guests. Whether it was Indians or Al Qaida, the two biggest enemies of Pakistan, who did this what they want to do is to bring even worse name to Pakistan and this should never have been allowed to happen.

    I am most proud today of the security people who died and gave their life to save the lives of their guests. They are teh ones who represent the true face of Pakistan

  90. PakWatcher ( Anathor Indian ) says:
    March 3rd, 2009 2:56 pm

    I feel sad at this attack. I know over whelming majority of Indians feel the same. But it would be wrong for readers to equate Pak and India here. They are vastly different nations , as far as the conduct of their intelligence agencies is concerned.
    In India they are under total civilian control of politicians, who get changed throufgh elections. Thats why India is so different.

    The problem that Pak faces today, did not happen in 1 day. Since atleast from the time of Zia-Ul-Haq the Pak security establishment has seen the extrimist Jihadi elements as a cheap tool against India.

    Now those actors who were under state control have become adults and some of them have become so called non-state-actors.

    I am sure overwhelming majority of Pakistanis oppose militant extrimism in the name of Islam. To fix the problems facing Pakistan and emanating from it, its time to look inwards.

  91. ANOTHER PAKISTANI says:
    March 3rd, 2009 3:01 pm

    Dear SRI LANKAN

    You are right. I cannot speak for Indians, that is their business and not mine. Whatever their media does to sensasionalize things is also their business.

    But as a Pakistani I am also ashamed of what happened and how some are reacting.

    Whether the Indians did this to revenge for Mumbai or whether this is the Al Qaida Taliban, the fact that this happened in Pakistan makes this Pakistans failure to provide your security. Just like Mumbai was ultimately a failure of Indian security thsi was clearly a failure of Pakistani security and I am ashamed of that.

    Like others I am also proud of teh security people who decide to make sure that the players did not get seriously hurt. Hopefully that is indication of just how seriously we take your security. So much that 8 Pakistanis gave their life for it. That does not lessen the shame of what happened but I hope you realize how deeply we feel your pain because our own pain at losing the lives of these Pakistanis is also very great.

  92. Afshaan says:
    March 3rd, 2009 3:05 pm

    The Pakistani spirit was shown by the security people who are the day. Jaan dey di mehman kay liye.

    We should celebrate such Pakistanis and condemn the murderers who did this act.

  93. CRICKETER says:
    March 3rd, 2009 3:13 pm

    My heart also goes out to the Sri Lankan team and I am so greatful that they were not injured seriously in this.

    But lets be very clear on what actually happened here.

    Eigth Pakistanis gave their life to save the visiting cricket team. That is what happened. Eight Paksitanis died.

    Nowhere in all of cricket’s history has such a sacrifice been made. So let us also not forget that please.

  94. Khan says:
    March 3rd, 2009 3:25 pm

    One question is disturbing me since morning. How did all 12 terrorists escape?

  95. Aamir Al says:
    March 3rd, 2009 3:32 pm

    TO Sri Lankans:

    We are sorry this attack happened on your cricket team. Our guards died protecting the Sri Lankans but the attack should not have happened in the first place

    @Indian

    So you say the joy being expressed by Indians over this incident is natural ? Thats a pretty ugly nature. This incident is a small failure compared to Mumbai where 10 gunmen took the entire city hostage for days.

  96. March 3rd, 2009 3:39 pm

    This is the worst day for Pakistan cricket, I pray we see the day soon when Sri Lanka will be playing in Qaddafi Stadium again and Pakistan is out of woods and out of the clutches of terrorists. I also pray that Sri Lankan team remembers Lahore as their winning ground of world cup instead remembering this nightmare.
    Ahh… how much I wish that once we could see the Qaddafi Stadium full of people watching Australia against Sri Lanka …. ahhh the good old days….

  97. Basit says:
    March 3rd, 2009 3:39 pm

    Yes, my prayers are with the Pakistanis who died while trying to save the team. They are the brave heroes who have paid ultimate price. May their families have the strength to live through this. But they died in the best cause for the country and they are the real Pakistanis that we are all proud of.

  98. D_a_n says:
    March 3rd, 2009 3:44 pm

    @ Indian , Another Indian and Ilk….

    We are in grief…..we are in mourning….this is a dark hour…

    Yet all I see is a gleeful smuggness is as disappointing as it is cheap and tacky…that part about Indians feeling ‘naturally’ happy that this happened is particularly obscene….

    If that is true…i wont be able to stomach another comment about how civilized you are….as civilized folks dont feel ‘naturally’ happy at acts like these…no matter who it happens to…

    disappointing this…

    stay classy ; Indian and another Indian…

    PS: The eternally sane and civilized Bonobashi is thanked for his comments….

  99. Gorki says:
    March 3rd, 2009 4:12 pm

    The attacks on the Sri Lankan cricket team took place in Lahore, but it should not be seen as an attack on Pakistan alone for two reasons.

    First; for most South Asians, (at least tens of millions of them) cricket is not a game; it is a phenomena, whose popularity cuts across national and racial lines.
    Passionate cricket lovers are found equally among the Punjabis on both sides of the Radcliff line; they are also found among the Sindhis and the Tamils, the Bengalis and the Pashuns; only the most mirthless, miserable, form of people can find any satisfaction in trying to disrupt this much loved sport.

    Secondly, the attackers

  100. PakWatcher ( Anathor Indian ) says:
    March 3rd, 2009 4:21 pm

    I came accross Pakistaniat.com and found this forum to be more representative of the average Pakistani, who must abhorr violence carried out in the name of Islam.

    I must congratulate the forum members and its organizers. Today is a very tough day for average Pakistani who loves cricket and has nothing to do with terrorism.

    But misdirected anger will not solve the problem of Pakistan. Pakistani leaders have led Pakistan to become the epicentre Jihadi extrimism and the anger of Pak citizens should be directed against its rulers who have made it what it is in last 30 years . Almso every act of international terrorism can be traced to its roots in Pakistan and its state through its ISI has been involved with many of these elements.

    Regarding the comment on Gujrat riots , here are some facts from Wikipedia.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Gujarat_violence
    About two hundred policemen lost their lives trying to control the violence in Gujarat [69]. ….. “254 Hindus, 790 Muslims killed in post-Godhra riots”. …

    _________________________________

    Many policemenn have been punished for dereliction of duty and hundreds of them gave there lives to control the violence that erupted immediately after 54 Hindu pilgrims were killed on a mob attack on a railway called the Godhra carnage.

    Even today, the supreme court is aggresively persuing cases against many accused. Its a ghastly tragedy that it happened but the state can absolve itself by only vigorously persuing the guilty.

  101. Sridhar says:
    March 3rd, 2009 4:25 pm

    This is a horrible act of terrorism. Thankfully, the players are safe, but the security personnel were not so lucky. This incident reminds me of the terror attack on the Indian Parliament in Dec 2001. In both incidents, the bravery of the security personnel, mostly low-level and underpaid policemen, was on display.

    It is hard to prevent such brazen attacks altogether, but I am sure it would be in Pakistan’s interests to review its entire security apparatus and ensure that the procedures, equipment and training are in place to make it extremely hard for anybody to carry out such an attack. It is one thing for such attacks to succeed against soft targets, like in Mumbai in Nov. 2008. It is quite another to successfully carry out an attack when there is such high level of security. It is also important to find the internal elements that helped in this attack – the route taken by the team was changed and yet the attack happened, indicating some compromising of the security services themselves.

    While this is no consolation to the families of those who were killed or injured, their bravery prevented this from being a much worse situation than it is. It would be hard to imagine what would have happened had one or more of the players been killed in the attack. My condolences and sympathies with these families who have been hit hard.

  102. sahar says:
    March 3rd, 2009 4:34 pm

    This is sheer negligence of Govt of Punjab while there were reports from CID that Raw is planning to attack on Srilankan team in Lahore! What we can say when the all concentration is going on Horse Trading in Punjab!

  103. Aamir Ali says:
    March 3rd, 2009 4:46 pm

    @PakWatcher

    If acts of terrorism in USA, Spain, Iraq, Lebanon, Sri Lanka, 9/11, etc. are examined, they will show no link to Pakistan or the ISI.

    Indians can gloat as much as they wish over this event, but the fact is much of the terrorism in India is home-grown and screaming at Pakistan is not going to solve all of your problems either.

  104. Gorki says:
    March 3rd, 2009 5:11 pm

    @ D_A_N, Amir Ali,

    Reading your comments, one can not help but empathize with your pain.

    I agree with you that today is not the day anyone should be making comparisons; rubbing in as to how civilized they are. Similarly not only today but anyone who ever gloats at another’s pain is simply disgusting and does not deserve a comment.

    As you pointed out, the only civilized ones are those who like Bonobashi find the time to encourage and identify with the victims and other Pakistanis of all hues.

    Such people are the only ones who make India proud.

    In fact today is not even a day to decide who is Indian and who is Pakistani.

    Today, we are all Pakistanis, and today we are all proud to salute the courage of those selfless policemen who laid down their lives defending the Sri Lankans in Lahore.

  105. npn_junction says:
    March 3rd, 2009 5:13 pm

    “Yet all I see is a gleeful smuggness is as disappointing as it is cheap and tacky

  106. Anonymous says:
    March 3rd, 2009 5:19 pm

    As a second generation Pakistani American, it is so disheartening to see the downward spiral Pakistan has taken since its policy makers decided to become the unofficial patrons for a ragtag misguided bunch of miscreants who use a perverted version of islam to justify crimes against humanity. Whether or not this was an “inside” job or an “outside” job, it is time that ordinary Pakistani’s rise up and make their voices heard against an incompentent and corrupt brand of politics and policy choices that has led this country no where. Regardless of who actually committed this crime, the state of Pakistan, is also implicated as an accomplice because it has failed to provide the most basic security to its residents and guests. How does a regime expect people to treat Pakistanis with respect when Pakistan’s own government fails to protect those on its soil. Wake up Pakistan, Wake UP!! This problem is not one that is going to be solved by coming up with closet conspiracies and blame, shame, and justification games. It is time that civil society take a stand in holding up the ideals of a nation instead of a bunch of guys running around with AK-47′s.
    It is a shame that the ordinary Pakistani does not realize the talent it is hemorrhaging and the potential of a nation it is wasting by remaining quite and accepting the status quo. Many people, both those in the diaspora and others, want to help the people of Pakistan, but they will not help those who do not help themselves.

  107. npn_junction says:
    March 3rd, 2009 5:24 pm

    “If acts of terrorism in USA, Spain, Iraq, Lebanon, Sri Lanka, 9/11, etc. are examined, they will show no link to Pakistan or the ISI.”

    Huh?? Pakistan was the godfather of the Taliban during the 90s as a way to gain influence in Afghanistan, counter Pashtun nationalism, and counterbalance India. It was from the Taliban’s bosom that groups like Al Qaeda were able to execute acts such as 9/11 and the Madrid bombings. Of course this ignores Pakistanis’s direct links to bombings in the UK , India, and Indian embassies in Afghanistan (where the ISI was directly involved according to the Americans).

    “Indians can gloat as much as they wish over this event, but the fact is much of the terrorism in India is home-grown and screaming at Pakistan is not going to solve all of your problems either.”

    You mean screaming at the person causing/enabling an insurgency in your territory and training jihadis to bomb you won’t solve your problems? Yes, you are correct, more direct action is needed.

  108. Aamir Ali says:
    March 3rd, 2009 5:32 pm

    @npn_junction

    If Pakistan supported the Taliban, then India was supporting the Northern Alliance. 9/11 was the work of Alqaeda, which setup shop in Afghanistan during the 80′s. Don’t see how Pakistan is responsible for 9/11.

    The other claims made by Indians of every act of terror being somehow linked to Pakistan or ISI is also rubbish and is found only in the media business/blogs.

    Given India’s long support of terrorism in Pakistan and Sri Lanka, India is both a victim and supporter of terrorism.

    Since India has failed

  109. Pradeep says:
    March 3rd, 2009 5:56 pm

    A blow to cricket, no doubt. But most of all my heart goes out to the policemen cut from the prime of their lives.

    There is more than enough back and forth political mumbo-jumbo that this will generate. But in all such cases who suffers most? The innocent.

    I look back fondly on my childhood days when cricket meant fun and innocence. My best friends are 2 Muslims, a Catholic, and a Hindu. We whacked a rubber ball all around my house in Chennai, imitating the stars (Does this bowling action look like Wasim? If I spread my legs like Srikkanth, can I belt the ball like him? Wow– a dive like Jayasuria!!)

    I look back fondly at college days in USA– Ehsan and Shafqat watched India-Pak WC match with me in 1996 (India won, hehe). While Saeed and Aamir thrashed and Venkatesh struck back, those guys told me about their own cricketing childhoods, of breaking windows in Pindi and playing well past dark in Karachi.

    We have so much in common, I remember thinking.

    We still have so much in common; though increasingly, it is in witnessing the valor of our policemen and the death of our Innocents.

    I pray for peace.

  110. Ghazanfar says:
    March 3rd, 2009 7:45 pm

    Thank you Pradeep for your voice of sanity

    If it were not for people like you one woud think all Indians are heartless

    Lucikly there are more voices of peaceon both sides than those few childish shouters who spam websites with their hatred

  111. abdul hai says:
    March 3rd, 2009 8:16 pm

    My heart goes out to the families of those who suffered death and injuries. Whether they were Sri Lankan cricketeers, Pakistani policemen, or an average bystander. No religion allows destruction of human life.

    To those Pakistanis or their supporters who always see conspiracy in every event, I suggest that they call a spade a spade. No argument and comparison with India will bring back a father to the innocent children and wives of the policemen who died.

    To those Indians who are finding oppurtunity of bashing Pakistan, I say please stop this blame game. Let us work together and find solution to the root cause of this and other massacres. I do not have to tell you what that issue is which has stopped economic growth in both India and Pakistan for last 61 years and kept two nations at war.

  112. REALIST says:
    March 3rd, 2009 8:20 pm

    This closes the Chapter of Cricket in Pakistan. SAD, really sad. God Help Pakistan! Barack Help Pakistan!

  113. Usman says:
    March 3rd, 2009 9:26 pm

    The armed attack on the Sri Lankan cricket team convoy, and the resulting loss of life of our brave police officers has proven beyond the shadow of a doubt that Pakistan has been taken hostage. It has become hostage to the whims of armed extremists, obscurantists and politicians who would use this security lapse as a means of extracting political mileage.

    The terrorists, regardless of their grievances, have succeeded in crushing national morale and also eliciting a passive ambivalence from our populace, who have no idea how to deal with such terrorists, except at the most, verbally condemn their actions.

    We Pakistanis are plagued by terror and fear – and the time is ripe for the President, and PM to take the nation into confidence and launch a massive military operation agains the terrorists and their sympathizers across the country. It is another “either-you-are-with-us-or-against-us” moment for them. Terrorist safe-havens where terrorists OR their sympathizers are present, should be mowed down with extreme prejudice by utilizing all resources at the disposal of the State, Army, Airforce and other security forces. Any action started right now, should have reasonably widespread public support. The President, PM and lawmakers should stress that the militants do not wish Pakistan well and we cannot afford to be ambivalent anymore towards how to deal with them. No one has the right to take a life and challenge the writ of the state, regardless of the enormity of their grievances.

    This is the time to strike as the iron is red hot. Failure to act or a less-than-emphatic response to the attacks on Sri Lankan cricket team will likely lead to more brazen attacks by terrorists in the future. We have already wasted much time looking for adhoc solutions. This is also needed to pull back the country from the brink of a military takeover – the more brazen the attacks by the terrorists become – the closer the country will slide towards military intervention.

    May God protect all Pakistanis.

  114. Jeevan says:
    March 3rd, 2009 10:13 pm

    Below link seems to be a very unbiased analysis of who must have attacked the Sri Lankan convey and why.

    While the entire world is awaiting for reports from investigator, every individual, irrespective of his / her nationality, and religion must condemn this act and be with Sri-Lanka and Pakistan in this situation.

    http://thenews.jang.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=20713

  115. Asim says:
    March 3rd, 2009 10:28 pm

    Dear God, Allah, Bhagwan, if you are real and you are who we think you are, please give us clear and easy to understand signs (without further distruction please) to tell everyone in the world who is right and who is wrong. You know we are not smart enough to understand Your hints in Your books, so please be specific and spell it out.

  116. PakWatcher says:
    March 3rd, 2009 10:38 pm

    Pak Daily Daily Times has an excellent editorial on who did it.

    EDITORIAL: Al Qaeda strikes in Lahore…

    http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=200934\story_4-3-2009_pg3_1

    Even Ejaz Haider, finally gets it !

    INSIGHT: Denial mode, yet again

  117. Saim says:
    March 3rd, 2009 11:49 pm

    Just by condemning this attack is not enough. I think that we Pakistani citizens should persuade our govt to bring the culprits to justice by writing in newspapers, or maybe staging a priotect in front of press clubs of our cities etc. By putting pressure on our govt not only will we be able to persuade them to speed up the investigation but will also be able to give a positive sign to the world that we as a nation do care for others.

  118. AbuMaleeha says:
    March 4th, 2009 12:04 am

    The last time i felt so sad about something happening in Pakistan was Hakim Saeed’s assassination. So utterly senseless.
    And given the current conditions in Pakistan, only 6 policemen and 2 civilian guards?? would this same protection been given to aussies or proteas or brits?
    what else can go wrong in Pakistan…
    But we expats are not in Pak and not doing any thing for it..
    Ramblings of a dispondent cricket.in.pakistan.believer..

    haif sad haif sad haif….

  119. D_a_n says:
    March 4th, 2009 12:12 am

    @ Gorki…

    your empathy is both welcome and appreciated…..

    Thanks for your comments

    @ Pak watcher (Another ….)

    seems like even when commenting on someone’s grief…i see that all you can still come up with are sub standard zee news soundbytes…..then refer to Gorki’s comments…
    stay classy!

  120. March 4th, 2009 12:49 am

    I am in shock and grief over this brutuality. But I am also very dismayed by the Indian/RAW rhetoric adopted by some journalist and analysts. Nothing can be ruled out but why we are reluctant to actually talk about the real and correctly percieved elements of Al-Qaeda and Taliban. These guys have demonstarted their capacity to do anything. Public needs to find these elements from within. Actually I have narrated these and more facts/perceptions on my blog. Please correct me if I am wrong. Here is the URL:

    http://bkhan.wordpress.com/2009/03/04/requiem-for-pakistan-cricket/

  121. Sehrish says:
    March 4th, 2009 1:22 am

    Whatever happened is really painfull…..but hats off to out policemen who sacrified their lives…And i think government should do something for them atleast shud give them some honor…And to our media please do give these policemen some importance,,,,media is only giving coverage to the wounded srilanka’s players. I have’nt yet heard any news channel talking about these policemen who sacrified their lives……
    And this is the most typical thing in our country. We just care for celebraties….

  122. Concerned says:
    March 4th, 2009 1:33 am

    Guys is this believable that not a single gunman was killed or captured?

    Are you telling me that some people simply walked and killed/injured people who were high valued international guests and calmly walked away scott free?

    Are you telling me that people had the time to take pictures of them but not a single culprit was killed or captured?

    There is something wrong here.

  123. Jusathot says:
    March 4th, 2009 2:26 am

    UPDATES to the

  124. Zafar says:
    March 4th, 2009 2:51 am

    I think al Qaida type groups are biggest threat to Palistan and we must act against them

    But this attack seems not to be them but an Indian revenge tactic only

  125. Kamran says:
    March 4th, 2009 4:27 am

    Not only me but the whole Pakistani nation is sad over wat happened yesterday in Lahore. I believe who ever done it was to destabilize the Pakistan current situation making it more insecure place than before.
    The Srilankans are like our brothers and no Pakistani can even think of targeting them.
    I also want to salute the 5 gunmen who sacrificed their lives.
    I am sure that Pakistani government would take action against it.

  126. Ahmed says:
    March 4th, 2009 4:43 am

    I totally agree with Concerned. The whole story seems to leave many questions in one’s mind.

  127. citizen of the world says:
    March 4th, 2009 7:32 am

    My parents were born in Karachi before partisian.They have a wish to visit the town before they die.Things were going in the right direction before some of the pakistani jihadi elements targeted innocents in Mumbai.
    I have lots of Pakistani friends who are close to my heart.Normal relations with each other is good for both the countries.Do u think China/USA or any other country is friends of any one.They are all friends for a reason.It is for our future and the generation to come that we need to find a solution to all our prob.

    HAIL PEACE

  128. Jameel Qazi says:
    March 4th, 2009 7:44 am

    Administrative failure as Salman Taseer was busy in horse trading. Where was the VVIP level security this time? In my view reshuffeling of senior police officials after the imposition of Governer rule ijn Punjab is the major cause as the former Government of Punjab had made good security arrnagments security for the ODI played between Sri Lanka and Pakistan in Lahore a few weeks ago.

    I am sure this conspiracy had some foreign linkages to brand Pakistan as a failed state. Enemies of Pakistan want to ensure that there is no economic, cultural activity. This has happened a number of times starting form the attack near the hotel in Karachi where Newzealand team was staying to the unfortunate incident of yesterday.

    I am sorry to hear the cold response of Purnab Mukerjee and the coverage of Indian media. There was more sympathy shown by people as well as the governmnet of Pakistan when there was an attack in Mumbai.

    Why are there so many simmilarities in the appearance and the actions of Lahore attackers with that of Mumbai. In my view conspirators are the same.

  129. Nihari says:
    March 4th, 2009 8:02 am

    there is still time. We should all go down on our knees and request India to take us back. We are extremely sorry for our independence and have no idea what sovereignty means and how a country should be run. If they are drunk, they will take us back.

    In case India is not ready, let’s try Bangladesh

  130. Jeevan says:
    March 4th, 2009 8:31 am

    Dear Moderator,

    Please ensure that any comment which spreads disharmony and hatred is removed immediately. Kindly moderate any blog which may lead to India-Pak discussion almost every hour. There are many elements at both sides which do not allow co-ordial and intelligent discussion to take place.

  131. Jagdeesh says:
    March 4th, 2009 8:50 am

    I was sorry to see the Indian media acting stupidly after the Mumbai tragedy and I am sorry to see teh same happening in Pakistan today. maybe we are even more similar than we think.

  132. D_a_n says:
    March 4th, 2009 9:06 am

    @ Nihari…

    Please man..get a hold of yourself…

  133. Adnan Ahmad says:
    March 4th, 2009 9:17 am

    Too early to say who did it. Given what cricket is in South Asia, this was obviously an attack on the state.

    This act of terrorism has clearly taken away the momentum from the Lawyers movement. And it will have interesting implications on the upcoming Indian elections. At the very least Modi cannot shout out loud in his rallies that Congress didn

  134. South Asian says:
    March 4th, 2009 10:41 am

    I guess the Pakistani media has sunk to the same level of jingoism that the Indian media did after the Mumbai attack. In each case cheap patriotism has replaced serious analysis. Analysis which would have made clear that the Pakistani government did as miserable a job of providing safety and security to the Sri Lankan team as the Indian government had done. Luckily in Lahore the cricketers were safe because of teh bravery of the security people and the episode left far fewer dead, unfortunately in Mumbai the incompetence of the Indian government and security was much more which left far more people dead and also it was prolonged for far longer. But in both Mumbai and Lahore it was the terrorists who won becase they were not only able to spread terror but they also brought out worst in the media and public of the two countries. Such a shame that we are unable to recognize our real enemies.

  135. Sridhar says:
    March 4th, 2009 11:36 am

    It seems as if the players were saved by the driver of the bus they were in, not by the security personnel. The visuals don’t show any evidence of a significant fightback by the security personnel. Further, the security arrangements need to be severely questioned. The level of security seemed to be less than that available for a much smaller event. One police van in front, one behind and that’s all. The total number of policemen was not much greater than the number of attackers. With the element of surprise on the side of the attackers, it is not surprising that they were able to gain an upper hand.

    The cricketers were promised Presidential level security. The actual level of security was similar to what a minor provincial-level minister might get, or perhaps even less. Added to that was a major inside leak – with the route taken by the convoy changed to facilitate this attack.

    It was a miracle (and thanks to the presence of mind of the bus driver) that a major catastrophe was averted (though it is no less of a catastrophe for the families of those who were killed and injured). We should be thankful for that even as we grieve the lives unnecessarily lost.

  136. Zecchetti says:
    March 4th, 2009 11:44 am

    Geo TV has exposed this as an Indian RAW operation:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcXywEMSqjI

    There is an international plot to destabalise and demonise Pakistan, as part of the wider global war on Islam and Muslims.

  137. Srdhar says:
    March 4th, 2009 11:49 am

    I don’t know if this will happen, but if I were at ICC, I would organize a cricket match in Lahore’s Gaddafi stadium, where a World XI plays against the Pakistan team. If it requires the teams to be flown into the stadium in helicopters, so be it. And if it requires that spectators have to line up at 5am in the morning to go through extensive security checks, it will be worth it.

    But it will send a resounding message around the world that terrorists, whoever they may be, cannot win over us and terrorize us.

  138. Sridhar says:
    March 4th, 2009 12:27 pm

    Since I posted the comment about security, I have read reports suggesting that there was “box security” for the Sri Lankan team bus, with police vehicles surrounding the bus in all directions. Other reports point to one van in front and one behind. The reports on whether the route was sanitized are mixed. I am confused. What was the real state of security on the route? Was it Presidential level or not?

  139. farrukh paris says:
    March 4th, 2009 1:51 pm

    Dear friends,

    it is shamfull and condemable, the security was not enough coz all securty personnel and top officials even intellgence agencies are busy in breaking up memebers of pml-n and Q to form a pppp lead gov in punjab, thats shamfull, it’s a crime, the governer of punjab must be sacked immediatlly and must be asked for his negligence, and why he did’nt made arrangements even after cid police’s report on terror attacks, and how is it possible that all terroristes were able to run away, and no one of them was arrested or injured, they killed our 6 or 7 elite force personnels which r very well trained commandos and they were even not injured.
    after watching the GEO tv’s today report in which terroristes were shown escaping in streets very easyly, and without fear, i must say that their were no arrangements of security,why there was no intelligence presence in streets and all, there are so many question to be assked from governer and adv;on interior to pm. hoping that somebody will surely ask these question in NA question session.

  140. Pfoslc says:
    March 4th, 2009 2:11 pm

    Sri Lankan cricket team has behaved in a classy manner through this harrowing ordeal and the Pakistani cricket fans should thank them for it. Please visit the following site and leave your comments of support and goodwill:

    http://pfoslc.blogspot.com

  141. coffee says:
    March 4th, 2009 2:27 pm

    this attack on cricket players makes no sense to me; it seems like this would only harm the image of any organization who did it

  142. Fahim says:
    March 4th, 2009 2:47 pm

    Sad day for the world. I hope we will not let the terrorists dictate our lives. Seem like they are calling the shots right now and everyone else is falling into place doing exactly what they want and spreading fear and panic.

  143. Sridhar says:
    March 4th, 2009 3:30 pm

    A good FAQ-style article on the Lahore attacks. Seems to be quite informative and unbiased.

    http://www.rediff.com/news/2009/mar/04lahore-b-raman-on-attack-on-lankans.htm

  144. Tasleem says:
    March 4th, 2009 4:02 pm

    Can you please post an update on the Sri Lankan players.

    I am so glad that they were all safe and I hope that is so.

  145. Fauzia says:
    March 4th, 2009 4:45 pm

    I am sorry to say that the Pakistani media is reacting to this exactly the same way that the Indian media did. Spreading hate, sensationalism and rumors. It is nearly as bad as the Indian reaction was and that is shameful.

    The only one acting with grace anywhere are the Sri Lankans. Hats off to them and their humanism in all of this.

  146. Timothy says:
    March 4th, 2009 5:05 pm

    Dont mean to poke my nose but I hope that all of you Pakistanians and Indians realize what your conversation sounds like to the rest of the world.

    You sound like fighting kids throwing tantrums and pointing fingers.

    When the Mumbai tragedy happened Indians became saying it was Pakistan rather than thinking about their security breach. And now with this Lahore tragedy Pakistanians are saying it is India rather than thinking about all the terrorism that is in the news everyday.

    Can you Pakistanians and Indians please stop this childish finger pointing and try to solve this mess. The world will be thankful if you do.

  147. ShahidnUSA says:
    March 4th, 2009 5:53 pm

    If you call that a “fool proof security” then I am afraid you dont have a respect for English language.
    Now I am mad!
    I am sorry but cricket is a lousy game, waste of time.
    I know you guys love to waste time, whether its a protest, dhurna, or debate in the parliment. I am going to sound like mullahs or Talibans but cricket should be banned in karachi heat. Night matches are crazy as nights are to sleep or to party.
    I dont care if you claim to use fake creams of UV protected and spf 20.
    Did anybody tell you that too much sun is not good for you as too much alcohol is not good for us drunks. burp!

  148. Hussain says:
    March 4th, 2009 6:01 pm

    Dear Timothy

    Thank you for putting a doze of reality here. You are right, there is something shameful and childish about how we Pakistanis and Indians have been going at it for each other.

    As a Pakistani, though, I can tell you that not all Paksitanis are like this and I do not think that all Indians are like this. Media and blogs often attract the most loud mouths of all.

    But you are right, I hope people think about what you say.

  149. Yahya says:
    March 4th, 2009 6:08 pm

    Can’t understand whythere are so many Indian comments here. Is it just that they like to pounce on anything that will make Pakistan look bad? Since noen of them seem to care about the Sri Lankan players or Pakistanis who have died.

  150. Arjun says:
    March 4th, 2009 6:18 pm

    Yes, the Pakistani media has begun acting just as shamefully as the Indian media did right after Mumbai. Which is sad.

  151. SRI LANKAN says:
    March 4th, 2009 6:22 pm

    I have been following the discussion here since the incident and have felt very much same to Timothy.

    I can’t understand why the Indians here are making this about India when India is not even involved nor can I understand why Pakistanis are also making this about India-Pakistan.

    I am grateful to all Pakistanis who have expressed sorry and regret to my country. It does mean a lot. But I am sad that most people and nearly all Indians have not even bothered to do that.

    Maybe you all should step back and try to think beyond your fighting at what all of your India-Pakistan childishness is doing to the region and the world.

  152. Faisal says:
    March 4th, 2009 6:45 pm

    My heartfelt condolence to the families of the poor policemen who became victims of this senseless act and my sincere apologies to the Sri Lankan cricket team. Thank you for visiting our country and sorry that our politicians did not deliver on their promises of your safety. It is a new low for all Pakistanis…

  153. Harris says:
    March 4th, 2009 8:52 pm

    Someone gave the excellent idea that the ICC should organize a special memorial match at Gaddafi stadium between Pakistan and World XI to stand up to the terrorists and to show that the world will not bow to them.

    If countries run away from this they are just giving in to the terrorists.

  154. Usman Kadiri says:
    March 4th, 2009 11:12 pm

    I really do not think that Indians have done this, just like Mumbai was not done by Pakistan.

    there may have been terrorists who trained in Pakistan in the Mumbai case and there may well be terrorists who were trained in India for this one, but that does not mean that either country was involved. I really dont think that can ever be.

    In both cases it is the enemies of peace who did this and what they want to do is to make people so angry and frustrated and afraid that they lose sight of common sense. I think in each case that is exactly what has happened.

  155. Derek says:
    March 4th, 2009 11:13 pm

    I agree with Timothy, both Indians and Pakistanis keep whining about each other. Enough of it. Please.

    Both after Mumbai and now, if Indians and Pakistanis spent half the time they do in blaming the other on actually cleaning up their own mess, maybe your own countries and the world will be a better place.

  156. lidaliqa says:
    March 4th, 2009 11:52 pm

    Wake Up PAKISTAN!!!!
    We are losing Paistan to this Stupid Maulvi movement.
    It shocks me that are still believing in conspiracy theories that CIA or India is behind these acts.

    We will lose Pakistan and still people will cry out conspiracy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  157. Rabiya says:
    March 4th, 2009 11:54 pm

    This report on the statement from the Sri Lankan foreign minister is important to read for many reasons:

    SLAMABAD: Sri Lankan Foreign Minister Rohitha Bogollagama said on Wednesday that he could not rule out the possibility that Tamil Tigers were involved in the attack on his country

  158. F. S. says:
    March 5th, 2009 12:07 am

    I agree that doing some sort of a major game at Gaddafi Stadium, maybe with a World combined team would send a strong message of defiance to the terrorists. But I am afraid that politics will again come in the way.

  159. fatima says:
    March 5th, 2009 12:22 am

    welll what ever happened was simply terrible and i m sorry for the sirilankan team who had to face all that in my country.
    i reallly salute the sirilankan team.and the people who died while saving the team.

    actually the thing is that when after mumbai attcks india started blaming us we were enraged and and now what ever we r doing is the reaction of what india did to us .
    every one here is telling pakistan to stop blaming india but i m hundred percent sure if again anything like that will happen in india they will do the same what they did before.

  160. Alfred D. says:
    March 5th, 2009 1:05 am

    I also think that an international match of some sort at Lahore should be played as soon as possible. It will not be easy, but if not done then the ICC and world cricket has surrendered to terrorists.

  161. Desperate Pakistani says:
    March 5th, 2009 1:10 am

    I hope the result of this will be to shake us Pakistanis up. We cannot let this violence continue. For God’s sake. Lets push our politicians as much as we can to do something about this now.

  162. Afshaan says:
    March 5th, 2009 1:35 am

    I am so proud of the bravery of the Pakistanis who lost their lives but succeeded in saving the lives of the Sri Lankan cricketers who were our guests. these are the true spirit of Pakistan and they stood up against the enemies of Pakistan and the enemies of peace who did this dastardly act.

  163. indian liberal says:
    March 5th, 2009 5:12 am

    another unfortunate incident and loss of precious life. my sincere condolences to affected pakistani and sri lankan families. the loss of life can never be easy to recover from. i hope the almighty gives strength to them in this time of crisis.

    i guess its quite understandable to have a broad list of suspects. i dont blame pakistanis for suspecting indian hand. what can we expect after fighting so many wars and having unresolved disputes. its quite natural to see most of the fingers point at us.

    one thing that was unique in south asian terrorism about mumbai incident was that the culprits were exposed infront of the world leaving no doubts. I hope and pray that the same holds true for the lahore tragedy.

    terrorism wont end by just bringing to justice the real culprits behind these two incidents. but as the true terrorist are punished i am sure we shall start realizing who our real enemies are. until then i dont think there is any escape from this india pak bickering.

    and if the investigations fail to expose the real villains time and again, the masters of conspiracy theory from media and the streets in the region can have ball of a time for a many years to come.

    indian friend of pakistan and sri lanka.

  164. Usman says:
    March 5th, 2009 10:31 am

    I salute the bravery of the Pakistani guards who lost their lives fighting to save the lives of the Sri Lankan cricketers. That is the type of dedication to be celebrated.

    I mourn the death of so many Paksitanis by whichever enemy of Pakistan did this. And I am so grateful that none of the Sri Lankan team was seriously injured.

  165. H.J.S. says:
    March 5th, 2009 10:59 am

    More and more this seems not to be the work of the regular Taliban. I guess all of Pakistan’s enemies are ganging up now on the country.

  166. Aussie Cricketer says:
    March 5th, 2009 11:13 am

    I do not want my team to ever go to India or to Pakistan. You guys have too many problems you need to clean up first. And both India and Pakistan need to take responsibility for what happens in your country.

    The crybaby attitude of Indians after Mumbai and now Pakistan after this is just too much. Both countries messed up on your security. Accept it and do something about it. For us these issues are so common, every time a cricket team goes to India or Pakistan there are so many of these problems and each time you guys try to find someone else to blame.

    Grow up. And until you do, say both India and Pakistan should be off the cricket calendar. Come to Dubai or some place safer if you want to remain in international cricket!

  167. shattered_sun says:
    March 5th, 2009 11:45 am

    @fatima

    “actually the thing is that when after mumbai attcks india started blaming us we were enraged and and now what ever we r doing is the reaction of what india did to us .
    every one here is telling pakistan to stop blaming india but i m hundred percent sure if again anything like that will happen in india they will do the same what they did before”

    That fact you or the Indians are enraged is irrelevant. Condemning terrorism is not about posturing. If these attacks were indeed committed at behest of India then India must be condemned, whether they blamed you in the past is utterly irrelevant.

    The problem is that all I see here is the run of the mill conspiracy theories.

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article5848097.ece

    Just the same if India had credible evidence of Pakistani involvement, they have every right to assign such blame.

  168. shattered_sun says:
    March 5th, 2009 12:04 pm

    “I am so proud of the bravery of the Pakistanis who lost their lives but succeeded in saving the lives of the Sri Lankan cricketers who were our guests.”

    Apparently the only hero here was the bus driver, whose quick thinking saved the Sri Lankan team. An english umpire stated that security personnel fled during the attack leaving him helpless.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7924210.stm

  169. Sophia says:
    March 5th, 2009 12:21 pm

    The pettiness of some comments (shattered sun) is amazing. Six people give their lives and you can’t even respect that. I guess for some hard-hearted beasts any dead Pakistani is a good thing, no matter what. For as long as such hate and venom exists all the talk of peace and goodwill is useful.

    Not a big surprise where such a commenter might be from.

    I read such comments and thank God that we created a separate country. How can one live with such hate.

  170. I refuse to hate says:
    March 5th, 2009 12:29 pm

    I have no words to respond to the venom in the words of ‘shattered sun’. How low and ghatiya does one have to be to not even respect the sacrifice of someone who has lost their life and paid the ultimate price. The inhumanity of this comment is no different than the inhumanity of the killers who do terrorism. Indeed those blinded by hate are the most blind of all. And when societies and their media teach people only to hate this is what you get.

    If I did not know better and did not know so many other decent Indians who are decent human being first, I would read such comments and boil in hate (maybe that is what these posters really want!). But I will not. May you boil in your own hate bt may you eventually learn that all human life is precious, even if it is of those that you have been taught to think of as your enemy.

  171. libertarian says:
    March 5th, 2009 1:41 pm

    Grow up. And until you do, say both India and Pakistan should be off the cricket calendar. Come to Dubai or some place safer if you want to remain in international cricket!

    Aussie Cricketer: unfortunately for Australia – and the rest of the cricketing world – 70% of cricket money is generated in India. Notice how the English landed up to play cricket in India a week after Mumbai? Solidarity? Probably not. Remember how Shane Warne cried himself hoarse when there were terrorist attacks in Jaipur (his team was from Jaipur) but still went back and captained/played (and won). All posturing my dear friend. The lure of the lucre trumps basic fears. If contracts in Pakistan were anywhere near as rich as the IPL, or even the ICL – everyone would be looking for an excuse to get back to Pakistan.

    So you can chest-thump about how Australia should not visit India and Pakistan. The Cricket Australia and the Australian cricketers are almost certainly finding ways to justify playing in India. “Hey Mumbai just got hit – what’s the likelihood of it being hit again?” : -)

  172. Ch. Dilawar says:
    March 5th, 2009 1:54 pm

    Like it or not, the terrorists are winning here. International teams will be scared and will not come to Pakistan and that is exactly what these guys wanted to happen.

    I hope that the idea that people had of the cricketing world showing solidarity and playing a major game to show the terrorists that they will not bow down will happen, but I don’t really think it will happen.

    I really do not think that India had anything to do with this (nor did Pakistan as a country have anything to do with Bombay), but India will be more than happy to see the terrorists succeeding as long as Paksitan is hurt, and generally the cricket world is a mess anyhow. So, this only makes it a bigger mess.

  173. Anand says:
    March 5th, 2009 2:00 pm

    I read through the entire 171 comments till now: It’s been three things over and over again:

    - We salute the policemen who died
    - Thank you Sri Lanka
    - Indians show hatred even in this hour of grief..

    For the policemen who died, well my salutes to them.But blame your heads if they thought a dozen policemen wud do fine..You guys had to lay down your life for no fault of yours..It would have been a happier ending if all the policemen were alive and with more support, they nabbed all the terrorists

    For Sri Lanka, it is indeed a relief that none of them suffered any major injuries. But its time to learn a lesson or two. People do not say NO to security arrangements without reason..

    For the third rant about how hateful Indians are., the problem is because you are fed by your media that Taliban for India is RAW for Pakistan..While it may be true to some extent, in this frenzy you forget that a destabilized Pakistan is also in Taliban’s favour. And Pakistan had been vehemently flip-flopping on its statements even with the available of irrefutable evidence about Pakistani involvement in Mumbai (well, remember the Dawn report on Kasab’s daddy!). You thought it was all too smart from your end, but never realize that frustration grows from listening to such rhetorics and utter lack of sincerity from your government.


    All in all, I do hope that both 26/11 and this attack were a blessing in disguise. Innumerable terrorist attacks couldnt get India serious about wiping terror off which Mumbai attacks have got India to this time…And hopefully this brazen attack on Sri Lankan cricketers will do the same to Pakistani govt.

  174. PakWatcher says:
    March 5th, 2009 2:24 pm

    USA is not Nepal.
    Nepal is not Bangladesh.
    Bangladesh is not Sri Lanka.
    Srilanka is not India.
    India is not Pakistan.
    Pakistan is not Iran.
    Iran is not Iraq and so on…..

    Got it ??

    Just like other countries, Pakistan is a unique country, it has its unique set of problems , which we all knwo what it is.

    So the least it can do is focus on fixing it , so that problkems coming from it dont destroy other countries.

  175. PakWatcher says:
    March 5th, 2009 2:44 pm

    Truth : Mumbai attackers were Pakistanis, were trained in Pakistan by Organizations which have operated in Pak with impunity.
    So when Indian media said the Mumbai attackers were Pakistani terrorists , it was the truth.
    That truth has now been accepted by Pakistan.

    False : When Pak media speculatd that India may have anything to do with Lahore attack, it was a lie. Pak interior minister today said that they have identified the attackers and they are supposedly Al-Qaida.

    So as long as you understand the difference between truth and lies, you will understand which media reaction was right and which one was wrong.

    Please stop comparing Pak with India or any country. It may be more similar to Australia than India.

  176. citizen of the world says:
    March 5th, 2009 4:20 pm

    Aussie,
    we certainly dont want ur cricketers in our country.why ur country men are jumping like monkeys to play in IPL.U belong to the same Breed of White man who beleive in divide and rule.
    u guys r gold diggers,if we throw money ur guys will be ready to play in the streets of Baghdad.So keep ur mouth shut and Stop talking ****.

  177. libertarian says:
    March 5th, 2009 4:33 pm

    So the least it can do is focus on fixing it , so that problems coming from it dont destroy other countries.

    Hmmm … the old “negotiate with a gun to my own head” routine.

  178. Riaz Haq says:
    March 5th, 2009 8:30 pm

    Lahore cricket attacks appear to have unleashed yet another wave of pundits of pessimism and prophets of doom and gloom about Pakistan. In spite of the obvious differences, most find it convenient to compare Lahore and Mumbai, just as they compared Mumbai with 911 attacks. While it was clearly a significant security lapse, the parallels with Mumbai are only superficial. Here are some of the obvious differences between the two tragedies:

    1. Unlike the Lahore attackers, the Mumbai attackers were on a suicide mission and fought a determined and long battle killing lots of civilians while mocking Indian authorities for almost three days.

    2. Unlike Mumbai police, ATS and Indian commandos, Lahore Police were able to protect their charges from hostage taking or being killed while sacrificing their own lives.

    3. Unlike the Mumbai attackers, the Lahore attackers staged an ambush and ran away when the police responded. The fact that all of them were able to flee without a serious chase is still something to be very seriously concerned about and it requires better preparation and training for the future.

    The nature of the attacks and attackers appear to be very different leading one to conclude that Lahore is not the work of the known Jihadi groups operating in South Asia. Some domestic radical groups in Pakistan could be the perpetrators but it is more likely the work of mercenaries hired by external elements for carrying out a covert action to terrorize Pakistan as supposed pay back.

  179. Concerned says:
    March 5th, 2009 9:03 pm

    Agree with Riaz, all of the gunmen were able to flee without any serious challenge, never heard anything like this happening anywhere else in the world. This is so unbelievable that it is actually funny.

    Muralitharan has hinted that he felt that some elements of internal agencies in Pakistan may have been complicit in this attack and he felt that terrorists had prior information about the movements of the Sri Lankan team.

  180. shattered_sun says:
    March 5th, 2009 9:48 pm

    @ Sophia
    “The pettiness of some comments (shattered sun) is amazing. Six people give their lives and you can

  181. Azmatullah says:
    March 5th, 2009 10:54 pm

    Anand says: “You thought it was all too smart from your end, but never realize that frustration grows from listening to such rhetorics and utter lack of sincerity from your government. ”

    I could not have expressed why Pakistanis find the Indian attitude untrustworthy and frustrating any better.

    Maybe if you guys tried to think more about why you distrust Pakistanis so much, you wil also figure out why Pakistanis distrust Indians so much!

  182. March 5th, 2009 11:08 pm

    The hatred showed by Indian posters is good enough reason alone why Pakistan exists. I remember visiting Indian websites in 2002, and I saw the same vile venom being spewed against Pakistan. It was probably the same way in 1947 as well.

  183. Sridhar says:
    March 6th, 2009 12:16 am

    Riaz,

    Such useless rhetoric as yours can easily be countered, for the sake of argument, as follows:

    1. Unlike Lahore, Mumbai’s attacks were aimed at soft targets. Targets that were not being protected by the police. Despite claims of Presidential level security, the targets in Lahore were reached by the attackers. Several of them were injured. It was a miracle that there were no casualties amongst the cricketers or officials. And partly the presence of mind of the driver of the Sri Lankan team’s bus.

    2. Unlike Lahore, the police actually fought back in Mumbai. One of the attackers was actually captured by an unarmed policeman, who gave his life in the process of capturing him. A security camera even captured his courageous act. From most eyewitness accounts, the policemen in Lahore charged to protect the cricketers did not really fight back. Perhaps they were outnumbered, perhaps they were not fully equipped. But the fact remains that there was no fightback and no attempt to give a chase. Six policemen and a driver died and their death needs to be mourned. But these were unfortunate souls who were unable to defend themselves. Most the casualties are of people who died in the initial moments of the ambush, not people who died fighting the attackers.

    3. Unlike Lahore, leadership was on display in Mumbai. When the attacks took place, the head of the Anti-Terrorism squad, no less, took personal charge of the situation and ended up giving his life. The NSG battle was led by its Director General himself and he was present at the scene of the Taj and at the Jewish center. A Major died leading his men in the Taj Hotel operations.

    4. Unlike Lahore, there was a hostage situation in Mumbai that made it very difficult for the security forces to overwhelm the attackers. These hostages were taken well before any police response could have conceivably been mounted. Disproportionate force could have been easily employed to eliminate the terrorists, but it would have risked civilian casualties. Added to that was the indoor nature of the battles. In Mumbai, almost 100% of the civilian casualties took place in the initial minutes before the response was mounted. Almost 100% of the hostages were eventually rescued. There were no such difficulties in Lahore. Disproportionate force could have been used given where the attack took place.

    This is not to say that the Mumbai response was good. It was a seriously flawed response and any amount of heroism of individual policemen or soldiers cannot overcome the fact that there was a huge systemic failure and the response was quite botched. Serious questions were subsequently asked of the Government and the top functionaries – the Home Minister and the Maharashtra Chief Minister – were forced to resign because of public pressure.

    The point I am making by bringing up these arguments is simply that your arguments are deeply flawed and unnecessary. And can be easily countered. I personally believe that the policemen at the lowest level are often courageous, whether in Pakistan or India. That their leadership is often where the problem lies. I have no doubt that there were many brave souls amongst the security personnel. However the fact also remains that this seems like a serious security breach. It would be in Pakistan’s interest to seriously fix the structural flaws, just as it was in India’s interest to thoroughly review its security apparatus after the Mumbai attacks.

    I have already expressed grief at the deaths of the policemen. I was also the first person on this thread to suggest that the ICC should organize a special cricket match in Lahore, with the World XI playing the Pakistan team, as a mark of solidarity with Pakistan and Pakistani cricket and as a statement of defiance against the terrorists. Many people have subsequently picked up on this idea.

    I am stating these because of the unfounded attacks by many here on anybody who questions the botched security at Lahore that everybody from the match referee to the Aussie umpire to the Sri Lankan captain have spoken about. They have all said that the policemen charged with protecting them vanished once the attacks started. This is not disrespectful of the people who died, rather one may ask if fewer would have died if the security was up to the mark. Their lives would have gone in vain if serious questions are not asked about the planning, security procedures and the degree of leadership on the spot.

  184. Roxio says:
    March 6th, 2009 1:31 am

    Bangladesh cancels Pakistan tour:

    Pakistan cricket has now hit the rock bottom.
    That it was heading for a steep decline had never been a surprise but with
    the news that minows Bangladesh have now ‘postponed’ Pakistan tour on
    security fears.

    Not too long ago,it was heard that Pakistan government had unofficially
    ‘assisted’ Bangladesh gain test status by deliberately losing a World Cup
    game.The upset victory helped BD gain enough points and respect to gain test
    status.
    The news today that Bangladesh has now postponed Pakistan tour on security
    fears and a BD security team will visit Pakistan soon to assess conditions
    in Pakistan and a decision whether to go to Pakistan to play cricket will be
    taken later.
    ‘Postponment’ is often used to disguise intentions to cancel tours at a
    later stage.

  185. Hassan says:
    March 6th, 2009 1:39 am

    Sridhar

    You are probably right that Riaz is over-reacting and being argumentative. But I think he is doing it tongue-in-cheek to demonstrate that any of the arguments that Indians on this forum are making can easily be turned around.

    You are also right in feeling slighted and frustrated by his arguments. maybe he made those arguments because he felt equally slighted and frustrated by the arguments being made by Indians here that seem to (even if they are not meant to) be made merely as cheap digs on a traditional ‘enemy’. The digs hurt even more in times when there is so much pain to begin with.

    I hope that the hurt you feel at these comments will help yo also realize the hurt that is sometimes caused by some of our friends from across the border.

    there are far more Pakistanis today saying that the security was not done properly and there was a lapse, even our officials are saying that. But when Paksitanis say this they are clearly saying this by way of emphasizing that we need to do far better. Unfortunately when many Indians in teh media and blogs say this they soudn as if they are gooating. Maybe they are not. maybe they are well-meaning, but because there is no trust on either side, that is what it sounds like.

    When there is no trust – and there clearly is none here – even well-meaning comments start sounding like cheap digs even if they were not meant to be. I am sure many Pakistani comments now and after Mumbai were well-meaning but did not seem so to our Indian friends. The same is the case now.

    I would like to believe that one day we will all act in a mature enough way to see that the common enemy is extremism of any kind and violence. unfortunately we are not there yet.

    Anyhow, just my two cents… maybe, Riaz is saying something very different from what you read it as!

  186. shattered sun says:
    March 6th, 2009 4:45 am

    “You are also right in feeling slighted and frustrated by his arguments. maybe he made those arguments because he felt equally slighted and frustrated by the arguments being made by Indians here that seem to (even if they are not meant to) be made merely as cheap digs on a traditional

  187. Zecchetti says:
    March 6th, 2009 5:56 am

    Ok, this is most probably definatley an inside job. Take a look at this account of events here:

    http://www.infowars.com/pakistan-cricket-attack-%e2%80%9cinside-job%e2%80%9d-theory-goes-viral/

    I’m sure intelligence agencies were involved with this!

  188. Bloody Civilian says:
    March 6th, 2009 6:53 am

    The more I read many of the posts here, the more I can understand how, ultimately, any human is capable of committing the most heinous act, if the circumstances are ‘right’. Many posting here ought to read Manto’s “Mootri”. It shows how despicable things were coming up to ’47. The posts here show how we have regressed and degnerated even from the “Mootri”, in to the ….

  189. Narakbashi, who was once at peace in the forest says:
    March 6th, 2009 7:38 am

    @Hassan

    A relief to find a sensible voice in this cacophony. I stopped posting to this very dear site of mine because of the increasing stridency of the language used. If this is the standard here, I can well believe that language in other fora might be considered a sufficient casus belli.

    For both good people from Pakistan and from India: there are such deep and dreadful problems going on at this moment all over South Asia that none of us should have the temerity to sit in judgement over the others. From bloody mutiny and massacre in Dhaka to assault on our young ones in Bengaluru to murder in Mumbai to finally this crowning outrage, this foul act against hospitality and against those who should have been our honoured guests, we have done more than enough for the rest of the world to shrink from us.

    Please, please, stop this mutual abuse and let us each set our own houses in order, not in isolation from our friends across the border, but with sympathy and ready cooperation, not in a spirit of scoring debating points, nor in a spirit of patronising condescension. We aren’t any of us in such a position that we can afford to be so high and mighty with each other.

  190. Ravi (from Sri Lanka) says:
    March 6th, 2009 9:01 am

    The bickering and finger pointing in the comments between Indians and Paksitanis is rather disgusting. Specially for an incidence that is actually not between these two countries.

    My hope is that this just reflects the pent up frustrations of people in both countries who are fed p of teh failures and violence around them. My fear is that it is more than that and is a result of years after years of governments and media in both countries teaching people to hate the others.

    Irony is that the violent extremists, of whatever religion and flavor, who are the common enemy of both are the ones who benefit from this.

  191. K S Mathoda says:
    March 6th, 2009 5:41 pm

    As an Indian settled in the US, my heart goes out to the persons who died in this incident, and heartfelt thanks to God (Allah, Guru Govind Singh, or of whatever name) that the Sri Lanka team was spared with some injuries. We as S Asians should come together to denounce voilence wherever it occurs.

    I hope and pray that the BCCI and the ICC have the sense to try and help Pakistani Cricket survive by offering to host games in India and Sri Lanka with substantial revenue going to support the game in Pakistan.

  192. Gorki says:
    March 6th, 2009 8:18 pm

    @ All, especially Riaz, Bangash Khan, Azmatullah…..

    Like several other loyal readers, I too have developed a kinship to ATP. I visit it almost daily and eagerly read the posts. While I am aware that I am not a Pakistani, in some ways I have started believing that it belongs to me too. I suspect that I am not alone and several other Indian visitors have similar feelings about ATP.

    However several recent comments have made me sit up. Indians have been accused of being hateful, condescending and patronizing by some commentators. This phenomenon is not limited to ATP. The blogosphere is a buzz with many such sites with similar comments. In fact an enterprising author has neatly classified the Indian visitors to Pakistani sites into 4 neat categories:

    (http://fiverupees.blogspot.com/2009/03/responding-to-four-different-types-of.html?showComment=1236362220000 )

    I want to mention that such generalization may be too harsh.
    While many comments by Indians are insensitive and rude, (demonstrating that bad behavior is not a monopoly of any one nation, like humanity it too is universal) I believe most Indians posting here genuinely share my personal fondness for the people of Pakistan in general and ATP in particular.
    Barring a few exceptions, most appear to be pained at the recent unfortunate events in Pakistan and any interest shown reflects a genuinely concern rather than an attempt at gloating or patronizing.

    If all this attention is making the Pakistani readers of ATP uncomfortable, then all I can say is this; it is probably not the intention, it certainly was not the intention of this visitor.
    I respect the fact that it is a Pakistani site (ATP duh), and the Pakistanis have a right to run it any way they want. That they allow some of us well intentioned outsiders to post on this site is highly appreciated.
    As to any lingering doubt that some people may have as to why all of a sudden this interest by us in Pakistan, I can not speak for all other Indians but as for myself, my intentions are honorable and I post below a note I left on another similar Pakistani site. I hope this will help clear up some of the mistrust.

    “Hey Ahsan, what in the world would you do without us nerdy Kumbayas to ridicule and make fun of. ;-D.
    Seriously the blog is very witty but once the laughter has died down, I want to point out that at least some of the people leaving these positive warm and fuzzy comments have no illusions that this world is not and will not become a Disneyland overnight; but what are the alternatives for us well meaning people?
    I can speak for myself; I am a newbie, even to the world of blogging itself. I have a busy life, work 60 hours a week, never gave Pakistan much thought and only started reading Pakistani blogs after 26/11 which set me thinking; how could so much hatred be packed into 10 young minds that they would be willing to train hard for months, then sail into a foreign land and die while killing hundreds of innocents that they never knew?
    The only answer I came up was that these ten people felt that their victims also must hate them back with an equal passion.
    Thus I leave these

  193. Nostalgic says:
    March 6th, 2009 9:36 pm

    Gorki, for a non-Pakistani your posts show you are incredibly well-informed about our country!

    Like you said, obnoxiousness, paranoia, arrogance and other such tendencies aren’t the exclusive domain of any one nationality… we have seen plenty of evidence of the above from both sides of the border, but one day, better sense will prevail…

    I am delighted that you frequent this website, and I am sure I am not alone…

    Peace Bro (or Sis…) … :)

  194. Pakistani for Peace says:
    March 6th, 2009 11:48 pm

    Dear Gorki

    Nice sentiments. Clearly many many Pakistanis, certainly on this forum share the hopes for peace and goodwill. But, maybe a similar analysis of the comments posted by Indian readers at this tragedy would best be done by an Indian rather than a Pakistani. Maybe, looking at what your compatriots are saying woudl start explaining what you are hearing from some Pakistanis.

    By the way, by own strategy is to ignore the shouting matches from either side. Both countries have their share of war monger. Luckily they are not teh majority. They just shout the loudest

  195. Gorki says:
    March 7th, 2009 9:34 am

    @ Nostalgic and Pakistani for peace
    Thanks for the kind remarks and the hopitality of your spirit.
    It is people like you, among many others who make it impossible not to like Pakistan and ATP.

    Regarding my compatriots, they say you can choose your friends but not your family; they come in all varieties; so is it with compatriots and countrymen.
    When people read the ugly comments made by a handful of flamethrowers, one must remember that India is a very large country with all sorts of people.

    It may come across as a ‘Hindu’ country to other foreigners but Pakistanis should know better than that.
    India is a home to people of all faiths known to mankind, including 130 million equally ‘Indian’ muslims (almost another Pakistan.)

    For every rabid communalist in India, there is a socialist or a secularist who refuses to hate based on faith.

    Remember that most things that are sacred to a Pakistani, e.g the glories of Mughal India and Sher Shah Suri, the poetry of Ghalib and Iqbal, the sacrifices in 1857 and the subsequent freedom struggle, giants like Sir Syed Ahmed Khan have a place of pride in Indian hearts too.

    Above all, the shared love of cricket binds our two nations in ties so strong that no two countries in the world are like us.
    Thus any attack on cricketers is mourned equally by all of us South Asians.
    Our condolences are from the heart and so are our good wishes.

  196. PakWatcher says:
    March 7th, 2009 11:13 am

    Gorki, I don’t think all Pakistanis are as bad as you. I refuse to think all Pakistanis can live in denial of what’s Pakistan’s rulers have done to Pak.

  197. Arjun-2 says:
    March 7th, 2009 4:33 pm

    Pakistan is going to rot and disappear. That is what was meant to be. I wish India would crush you out but it seems Pakistanis will do it themselves and need no help from us.

    I am glad for what is happening. Yes, a few people dying is bad, but if Paksitan disappears because of this we will be better off.

  198. Bloody Civilian says:
    March 7th, 2009 9:05 pm

    Arjun-2 congratulations, in advance. Although you say you would have preferred to be the destroyer rather than that joy being denied to you by Pakistani killjoys. You also say that “a few people dying is bad”. So, what do you think would happen to the rest of the 170 million people?

  199. Watan Aziz says:
    March 7th, 2009 9:38 pm

    There is one element that the good old Soviets never understood; the open, free and fair conversation in an open society.

    For them, looking at US from outside, it was a weakness as you could pick up a newspaper, a book or attend a conference and read and see all the warts.

    They never understood that the power of free discussion is the strength of the system; not it’s weakness. Now the former chamchas of Soviets, in their new chameleon roles and falling for the same mistake. (BTW, if you walked away from the Soviets at the first chance, you will walk away from your new found

  200. bonobashi says:
    March 7th, 2009 10:36 pm

    @Bloody Civilian

    I read your posting with disbelief and horror. You have been unnecessarily harsh and very unkind to that poor chap. He obviously has had an underprivileged childhood, and perhaps suffers from other physical disabilities as well: a tape measure may not be the most tactful present on his birthday.

    By repressing his innermost feelings as you did, heartlessly and with great lack of sensitivity, you might stunt his personality and cause him serious harm. Can you not foresee the repercussions when he grows up?

    We each of us need to have our inner child responded to, our urges towards self-expression encouraged. I suggest that your proper attitude towards our struggling friend, a step to remove his feelings of inadequacy and his angst at being forced to leave his life’s mission to other, perhaps less worthy people, is to train him. Instead of berating him, you ought to be offering him a suitable manual

    to improve his skills. I am sure that the quality of his future postings will improve dramatically, his breath will be sweeter and he will find female company. On second thoughts, in keeping with my liberal disposition, as opposed to my personal orientation, let us hope that he will find female or male company or both, as his inclinations sway him.

  201. Gorki says:
    March 8th, 2009 12:08 am

    @ Bonobashi, Watan Aziz and Bloody Civilian,

    I read your responses and see that you three have noticed that petty little attention seeker, Arjun-2.
    Personally I believe that such pitiful creatures are best ignored and do not deserve the dignity of a response.
    Fortunately most people on the ATP can see through his miserable ruse but perhaps he got a little under the skin of Watan Aziz.
    I do not blame Watan Aziz for this, and as he pointed out, internet has provided all of us with an open forum which can unfortunately show

  202. bonobashi says:
    March 8th, 2009 5:06 am

    @ Gorki

    Oh, you’re right as usual, but sometimes the sublime statesmanship of a Nehru or a Jinnah is lost on warts; warts don’t get it. Sometimes, the situation need a different approach from your humanism or Watan Aziz’s patrician disdain. Sometimes it needs a low-bred pleb like me to call things as they are, to clean up warts and pustules. And I’m a Sudra, a cleaner-up of messes; that’s what I was born to do, dear Doc.

    I’m a guest here, like you; they made us at home. It’s nice to be able to repay the courtesy in some humble way.

    I didn’t realise warts squashed with such a lovely squishy sound.

  203. PakWatcher says:
    March 8th, 2009 9:05 am

    Are India and Pakistan the same people ?

    The obvious answer is Yes, until you look at the history of these countries in last 60 years. Yes we share more or less same genetics and have a shared history. There is so much common but the way these two people and countries have differed and diverged in last 60 years is equally remarkable.

    Here Mr Vir Sangvi wrote a very interesting opinion in hindustantimes.

    The same people ? Surely Not.

    Few things annoy me as much as the claim often advanced by well-meaning but woolly- headed (and usually Punjabi) liberals to the effect that when it comes to India and Pakistan, “We

  204. IndiaWatcher says:
    March 8th, 2009 12:14 pm

    Interesting observations from PakWatcher.

    Although I guess propagandists never realize that their rants can sound a little selective to anyone who reads newspapers.

    I guess Gujrat never happened in your India!

    But you are right, we are NOT the same. Which is why we wanted and are very happy to have a Pakistan that is not India. With all the problems we have today, I would not stand for a minute the thought of having that one reality be different.

    Things are not going well for Pakistan right now. And I do not expect anything except jeers and attempts to make them worse by Indians. But, boy, am I glad that Pakistan is not India.

    Be happy in your India, dear friend and please please please stop interfering in our affairs. Let us be. If you don’t have it your heart to wish good things for your neighbors, please don’t make things worse. Just spare us your propaganda.

    P.S… By the way, for someone who is so keen on India and so hateful of Pakistan, you seem to spend an awful lot of time thinking about Pakistan. Nice psychiatric case here!

  205. bonobashi says:
    March 8th, 2009 12:30 pm

    @Pak Watcher

    Did you ever encounter the phrase ‘non sequitur’ any time during your extended education (it obviously couldn’t have been any other kind)?

    I find it bizarre that you should pick up a thread on “Sri Lankan Cricketers Threatened by Gunmen” to express your views, third hand, about Pakistan and Pakistanis.

    And that too on a site called Pakistaniat. What is this, have you discovered irony?

    If you really concur with Vir Sanghvi’s pedestrian rehash of MJ Akbar’s original, why bother to spend so much time here?

    And the next time it is appropriate to display learning through quoting a journalist quoting another journalist, just post the URL. These work the same no matter how different the people using them.

  206. Gorki says:
    March 8th, 2009 2:34 pm

    @ Pak Watcher and India Watcher;

    Any time now I expect Prof. Najam to walk in and break up the food fight between you two ;-)..

    Seriously for Pak Watcher, I have the following question and comments;

    1. What is your point? This post is about a tragedy that took place in Lahore, and you post a long winded article from an Indian paper. Relevance?

    2. The article you posted compares examples of secular Indians juxtaposed against examples of hypothetical ‘what ifs’ in a Pakistani setting. If being secular makes people kin to one another, then I guess using the examples quoted by Vir Sanghvi, Indians of today are long lost twins of the secular Swedes.

    3. Conversely using another example, say a negative one; that of the former Akali head of the SGPC of Indian Punjab (who is accused of honor killing of her sixteen year old daughter for having an affair with a boy next door) makes the Indians now the kin of the Taliban.

    I hope you see the absurdity of your (or shall we say Vir Sanghvi’s) arguments; that of kinship based strictly on the social/political climate in the nation state that one lived in. If that were the case, North and South Koreans are as different from each otherr as the Japanese are from the Zulu!

    4. Finally no one on ATP mentioned ‘We are the same people Yaar’.

    It is blamed by you (Vir Sanghvi) on ‘woolly headed Punjabi liberals’. I guess from his actions, Gulzar, appears to be a card carrying member of that silly liberal group.
    So you use the example of the humaneness of Gulzar to trash exactly who?

    Ah yes, those same ‘woolly headed liberals like him.’

    I rest my case.

    Next time, if you can not be original in your thoughts, try to lift up ideas from someone less self contradictory than Sanghvi.

  207. Bloody Civilian says:
    March 8th, 2009 3:50 pm

    PakWatcher/Vir Sanghvi, do keep watching Pakistan, if you must. Those in Pakistan who are fighting the battle don’t expect much from those amongst us or from across the border who completely lack in imagination and are intellectually lazy. Ignorance, however, might be less of a hindrence in this fight if, at least, the intentions are honourable. The nuances and complexities of a country, any country, are beyond those who cannot tell the difference between the sins of a dictator and those of a democratically elected government. Who cannot discriminate the people’s opinion as expressed through the ballot box, or an opinion poll, from the whim of a dictator. Those who cannot tell the difference between the state and the nation, and do not have the intellectual discipline to be able to objectively analyse either. They take the same superficial view of history – of lands, nations and religions. Imran Khan went to Oxford. Pol Pot went to La Sorbonne. A R Rehman went to Trinity College of Music. Had he known a fraction of what Sanghvi and Private Eye know about ‘Sharia Law’, he would never have made the ‘grave mistake’ he made at age 21. Why doesn’t Sanghvi put that question to A R Rehman? As a first step towards objectivity. That is if he has come up with an answer to Gorki’s question about his misuse/abuse of Gulzar first. Sanghvi was obviously busy in his deep analysis of Pakistan and the Pakistani society and that is why he completely missed the Lawyers’ and civil society’s continuing struggle and its success in removing the military dictator. You, I guess, were too busy watching Pakistan to realise that Justice Bhagwandas was the Chief Justice of Pakistan on ly recently. Chief Justice Durab Patel when Zia toppled the Govt. Despite all the problems that we face in Pakistan, of dictatorship and their unholly alliance with the obscurantist. Our hindu minority is 150 times smaller than your muslim minority. I guess to the intellectually lazy, riots, as opposed to terrorism, are mere Acts of God… even if they kill many times more than terrorist bombs and do so far less indiscrimnately. Dictators, religious obscurantists and political opportunists of all types (including extremists, dictators and wannabe despots of all ilk) thrive on those lacking in objectivity and intellectual rigour like Sanghvi to pervert history, pollute culture and undermine rule of law. It allows the state to ignore an illegal temple built in Ayodhya, and carrying on in defiance of the law of the land. It allows the discriminatory (as per the UN) religious conversion laws you have in several states. It makes it easier to carry on from 2002 with little more than a shrug of the shoulders and encourages Modi to aspire for PM-ship. It is this kind of ill-intended intellectual laziness that allows hate mongers to make war.

  208. Adnan Ahmad says:
    March 8th, 2009 7:48 pm

    Bloody Civilian, I didn

  209. March 8th, 2009 10:20 pm

    For the first time, I agree with something written in Hindustan Nationalist Times. Indeed India and Pakistan are not the same people, and have never been so.

  210. Michael Foos says:
    March 10th, 2009 4:10 am

    Why do you Indians and Pakistanis have to be at each other’s throats always?

    And, frankly, I also find the Indian glee unbecomng, given that this did not even concern them. Very low indeed.

  211. bonobashi says:
    March 10th, 2009 7:06 am

    @Adnan Ahmad

    I read your post with mixed feelings. It was difficult to keep from jumping up and cheering at Bloody Civilian’s post (why does he keep on with that blasted nickname? It puts me completely off stride as I look nervously over my shoulder for my military relatives to swoop down on this bolshie correspondence!!). On the other hand, I began to wonder what made me identify so closely with this site. Was I losing my bearings?

    Unlike Gorki, I am not a Gandhian; never was, and am beginning to suspect that the standard history we are taught may need a closer look. Nor am I a Nehruvian, although I am forced to admit that he was larger than life, and saved us to be a democracy. So why should I adhere to Pakistanis and to Pakistaniat?

    After some considerable thought, I believe, no, I’m not losing my bearings. I am still the same person who knows the full version of our national anthem, not the single verse that is usually sung in public, and at 58, I still have tears in my eyes when I sing it. So do I feel a surge of emotion when I sing the alternative anthem, the one my not-Indian south Asian friends in the Gulf used to run away from, Sare Jahaan Se Achha, written by a well-known Hindustani. No, I’m not an Uncle Tom, and it isn’t surreal for me to be part of this site. Please indulge me for some little space to explain.

    As far as supporting Pakistan and civil society in Pakistan is concerned, it rates with me exactly on par with supporting civil society in Bangalore (you might like to switch on NDTV and see what’s going on there at the moment), or in Calcutta, or civil society in Dhaka.

    While those last are my blood kin, finding common purpose was never about discovering long-lost bonds of kinship, or literature or linguistic ties, or tenuous cultural links. As it happens, none of these exist in my case with the people of Pakistan. You may notice that I never (well, hardly ever) post on literary, linguistic or cultural issues; there isn’t much I can say.

    It was about finding common cause against the problems that beset every third world country, not excluding ours, trying to find its place under the Sun. It was about addressing very similar problems and difficulties, with a comparison of the methods that we in either society used. I would be expressing these same, identical sentiments about the Egyptians to the Egyptians; in fact, they and the Nepalese are excellent examples. Unfortunately, there don’t seem to be too many blogs about Egypt in English, and I have a weakness for good English, hence my weakness for this blog.

    Please do get this straight: I don’t need a hack journalist (although I agree with him and Arundhati Roy about Kashmir) to tell me whether or not to support like-minded people. The fact that modern Pakistan is modern Pakistan, and that modern Pakistanis have grown away from the common root that both our countries sprang from, is not an obstacle, nor a disqualification. On the contrary. It is all the fresher and more charming to discover this very civilised society and these individuals whose values match mine, and match what I have been brought up to adhere to. Enough to want to stand with them (one rather suspects that their reaction, if they were rude enough to display it, would be tinged with consternation: did you by any chance use the word ‘surreal’?).

    A good friend, I read somewhere, is someone who knows you through and through and still likes you. If you want this friend to stand apart for a while, that isn’t a problem, not with real friends. If you allow him to pitch in with you, for you, if you can do with a helping hand at any time, this loyal Indian will be happy to do so, without compromising his loyalty.

    Finally, what do I want from you? I want to see my Pakistani friends respect my dear, wonderful, struggling country for what it is, not for what emerges from drains and sewers and poisons civilised discourse. I shall love it right or wrong, make no mistake about that, but I will fight to my last breath to keep it right.

  212. Adnan Ahmad says:
    March 10th, 2009 8:40 am

    Bonobashi, My friend, My day, a very long day, is just beginning but very quickly.. I know the reasons already for which you visit this site and in no way implied that you or Gorki would not think of India first while discussing Pakistan. But thank you for the comment as it still was an education albeit of personal nature that friends generally are interested to know. As you would know, one of the underlying meanings of Pakistaniat on this blog is

  213. Another Australian says:
    March 10th, 2009 1:24 pm

    I also think that we should just suspend both India and Pakistan from international cricket for a while. They just bring politics into everything. No tour to India or Pakistan can be completed without some political controversy. The religious fanatics in both countries the hindu ones in India and the Muslim ones in Pakistan just dont want the game there, so lets just take the game away from both of them.

  214. Qudsia says:
    March 10th, 2009 3:52 pm

    To any Sri Lankan readers

    Dear Sri Lankan friend, as a Pakistani I apologize for this grave incident. I am so glad that none of teh players were serio0usly injured although I am sure that the trauma was huge. I salute you for coming to Pakistan when others ran away in fear and I salute you for the way your players and officials have handled this with such grace. I also salute teh brave Pakistani gurds and driver who gave their life while protecting you.

  215. Sridhar says:
    March 10th, 2009 5:00 pm

    Another Australian,

    If you take the game away from the subcontinent, there will be no game of cricket left! Also, the levers of power today in cricket, whether you like it or not, are in the subcontinent.

    The next World Cup will happen in India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh. And your players will come – and to venues like the Gaddafi Stadium. I am sure lessons have been learnt in this incident and teams will start coming back to Pakistan once the overall security situation in the country improves and specific corrective measures are taken for the security of players and officials.

    We shall overcome the current crisis and emerge stronger, whether we have your support or not.

  216. Bloody Civilian says:
    March 10th, 2009 5:15 pm

    Bonobashi

    One of the factors in bringing around the renewed support for democracy as a people’s movement, rallying around the movement for the restoration of judiciary, was India. While our middle and lower middle classes were learning a bit about democracy and basics of rule of law, through the newly spawning private TV channels, getting used to seeing things that in the past would never have been shown or talked about, they also, from the corner of their eye, saw India making impressive economic progress. And without any one spelling it out to them, they for themselves worked it out, that depsite starting from similar roots in 1947, despite the many shared aspects of culture, the difference that was ultimately holding Pakistan back was dictatorship.

    Pakistanis realised that India has a vibrant democracy. I don’t know how many Pakistanis realise that democracy is a messy business. As is India’s enviably evolving democracy. Two steps forward, one step back. Will we in Pakistan despair of our present civilian leaders and their most despicable shinanigans and forgot all that we learnt in the past two years and again welcome another military dictator? I sincerely hope not.

    Again, I don’t know how many Pakistanis know that India’s is the most respected common law system in all of Asia. Yet, almost all Pakistanis respected what (Late) Mr Karkare did, and was able to do in the Indian system. Those who verbally attacked Mr Karkare and his work, showed that Indian democracy and justice system, with its faults, works despite these shallow people. The Pakistani legal faternity cannot but know the stature that the Indian judiciary has reached, since they frequently find themselves quoting Indian legal precedent in their daily work, and cannot but admire the likes of H.M.Seervai and Soli Sorabji.

    We see Indian muslims, all other minorities, women and Dalits, trying to organise themselves, democratically, some better than others, to work for their rights within that system. They may have a long way to go yet. They have legitimate anxieties and grievances. But they have their hopes too. All within the Indian democracy.

    Even Kashmir has at least had an election recently. Lets hope the people of Kashmir can find peace. Our problems in Pakistan, used to be due to dictatorship, but to that has been added the fallout of the final battle of the Cold War in Afghnistan and its continuing aftermath. Things are detoriating very worryingly. That worry, I suspect, was part of the reason you and Gorki ended up visiting ATP. To know that there must be millions like you and Gorki in India, who have not become part of Pakistaniat like you two so kindly have, gives us hope. I sincerely hope that the peoples of Afghanistan, Pakistan and India can live in peace, within and without, and I wish each prosperity. I hope, there are a few like you two in Pakistan too. In fact, I am sure there are. I hope we can inspire each other, and be stronger than those who would rather demonise the other and in the process distort themselves.

  217. Gorki says:
    March 10th, 2009 10:13 pm

    @ Adnan Ahmad: The work of a moderator is usually hard but it must be especially so on a blog such as this where India-Pakistan issues often threaten to crowd out meaningful discussion.
    That ATP can avoid these pitfalls and still present a real time three dimensional image of the every day Pakistan is a tribute to the vision and the diligence of the moderators.
    You have rightly guessed that people like me love this post as something dear, yet I am mindful of the fact that being a visitor, I have to treat this as a privilege, with respect and mindful of the aims of the moderators and owners of this blog.
    I agree with you that, India Pakistan relationship is very complex and often becomes all the more so when people from across the border convey admiration of another as a persons while negating their nationality; such admiration even if honest, somehow diminishes the object of affection.

    Personally, I respect Pakistan the nation, and Pakistanis, the people. More than anything, I wish its people a peaceful, prosperous society, where the rule of law runs supreme. Having said that; I see no contradiction like Bonbashi, in saying that I love Pakistan and also my adopted homeland of United States while being a cultural Indian at heart. Moreover people like you, Owais Mughal, Adil Najam and all others at the ATP transcend national boundaries and are the natural allies of humanists not only in South Asia but the whole world over.

    @ Bonobashi, I feel a little self conscious praising another Indian while I am a guest myself in this blog but am proud of your elegant way of stating your position since it is similar to my own although, I must admit that I, being a Punjabi, will always remain partial to Pakistan over other nations of the world.
    You see being a Punjabi, the lyrics of Muni Begum posted here in a recent post or the soulful strains of Attaulah Khan

  218. bonobashi says:
    March 11th, 2009 4:55 am

    Why I think Pakistan will win through.

    A wise man interviewed on another blog said this:

    The real war in Pakistan now is the war on the middle class. If the elite wins it, Pakistan has no hope. But this is not a war that will be lost or won in weeks or months. And the elite hasn’t even begun to invest in the weapons that will decide this war. Blogs, social networks and knowledge.

    Issues in Pakistan that are being discussed on blogs like All Things Pakistan, Grand Trunk Road and Five Rupees today are going to occupy the heart of public policy within the next decade. And none of the protagonists of these blogs (or thier readers) qualify as elite, or as poor. I know it won’t fly in PolSci 101, but that’s cool. No one’s looking. There is a small, and increasingly important middle class in Pakistan. And the elite don’t like them. They want them to disappear. Immigrate to Australia or Canada in the best case scenario, and actually physically disappear in the worst. Hence the war on the middle class.

    So hang in there, guys, ladies; we’re rooting for you.

    @ Watan Aziz

    Cornelia, the mother of Tiberius and Gaius Gracchus, was once asked by a top-lofty Roman matron about her jewels, since she was notably seen without any. She pointed to her sons, and said,”These are my jewels.”

    Lucky Pakistan.

  219. WORLD CITIZEN says:
    March 12th, 2009 12:49 am

    THE DISCUSSION AND THE BLAME IS GAME IS FUTILE.

    THE ROOT CAUSE OF THE TRAGEDY MUST BE UNDERSTOOD AND ADDRESSED.

    IS IT INCORRECT INTERPRETATION OF HOLY SCRIPTURES WHICH MAKE PEOPLE BRAND VARIOUS ACTIVITIES AS ANTI RELIGION?

    IS IT A DOGMATIC ASSERTION THAT ONLY MY INTERPRETATION IS CORRECT AND YOURS WRONG?

    IS IT THE INTOLERANT ATTITUDE TO BLAME?

    ARE THE VESTED INTERESTS INVOLVED IN NARCO DOLLARS WHICH ARE INTERESTED IN KEEPING PEOPLE UNDERDEVELOPED TO BLAME? ARE THE GUN TOTTING MILITANTS A PART OF IT ?

    SERIOUS THOUGHT MUST BE GIVEN TO SUCH INTERNAL FACTORS WHILE KEEPING IN MIND THE POSSIBILITY OF DIRTY TRICKS DEPARTMENT OF THE NEIGHBOURS.

    MOST LIKELY FACTORS TO BLAME COULD BE INTERNAL ONES. IS ANY THING BEING DONE TO ADDRESS THEM. FOR IF WE WANT SOMEONE ELSE TO CHANGE, WE MUST CHANGE OURSELVES.

  220. aminpanaawala says:
    April 22nd, 2009 3:51 pm

    Mr Khurram farooqui,you have misinterperated my comments I never even think to say that attackers on srilankan team were righteous people.Such things like suiside attacks and attacks on people are haram in all the religions particularly in Islam.To kill one human being means to kill the entire humanity.please read my comments minutely and apologige.Thanks.MAP

  221. Jamshed says:
    March 3rd, 2010 10:31 pm

    It was indeed a black day.Mercifully,the Sri Lankans stayed alive.The bigger tragedy was all those policemen losing their lives.The terrorists got away with it.The cricket board absolved itself of responsibility after insisting that “head of state level” security would be provided.International cricket came to an end in Pakistan for the foreseeable future.That day raised so many questions,many of which have still not been answered.

  222. Krishna says:
    January 26th, 2011 5:07 pm

    Sri Lankan cricket team captain Kumar Sangakara thanked Sri Sri Ravi Shankar and The Art of Living for helping the Sri Lankan cricket team to come out of trauma after the Lahore attack
    http://goo.gl/aiZom

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