Will the MMA Resign? And, If So, Then What?

Posted on November 18, 2006
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Will they? Will they not? They will! When? What will happen if they do? What will happen if they don’t?

During the debate over the Womens Rights Bill, the leadership of the Mutihida Majlis-i-Amal, or MMA, had threatened that they would resign from all their seats if the Bill was passed.

Well, the bill did pass. They have not yet resigned and even as some taunt them for not doing so, reports suggest that there are rifts within the coalition on this issue and also that they will be resigning. Although it is not clear exactly when, how and even from what.
The MMA controls over 50 seats in the National Assembly and leads the ruling coalition in the NWFP and is part of the governing coalition in Balochistan. There is speculation that the coalition is torn with the Jamaat i Islami (JI) and its leader Qazi Hussain Ahmed wanting to force the government’s hand by implementing the resignation threat while the Jamiat i Ulema i Islam (JUI) leader Maulana Fazl ur Rehman is holding out, partly because his party is leading the NWFP Provincial government and partly because he fears that if they resign and early national elections or provisional elections for those seats may be called and his party may loose the seats they now have. What does all of this mean for politics in Pakistan and for democracy?

According to The News (18 November, 2006), Qazi Hussain Ahmed is ready to force the issue and has announced Dec. 7 as the date when then resignations will be handed in:

Muttahida Majlis-e-Amal (MMA) President Qazi Hussain Ahmad on Friday said they had accepted the challenge from President Musharraf to face the liberal forces and decided to resign from parliament on December 7 in the first phase of “a protest movement against the unconstitutional and un-Islamic steps� of the rulers. “The religious alliance is united on the resignations issue and we all will tender our resignations on the first day of the coming assembly session,� he told, a press conference here. “We have launched a movement against the direct interference of the United States in the internal affairs of Pakistan and President Musharraf, who has been playing in the hands of his foreign masters,� Qazi said, adding: “Our movement continue till the removal of the president.�

… The MMA chief clarified that there was no division within the alliance on the resignations issue as was being reported. “There is no division in the MMA while the ruling party itself is facing crisis on the passage of Women Protection Bill (WPB),â€Â? he said. He said the religious alliance leaders had the capability to take unanimous decisions and differences of opinion could not be termed a division. He said President Musharraf has challenged the Islamic forces and promoting liberals. Elaborating the word ‘liberal’, he said they are those who did not care for Islamic injunctions.

On the other hand, the Daily Times (18 November, 2006) reports that not only is there a rift within the MMA, it may be widening.

The rift between the Muttahida Majlis-e-Amal (MMA) widened when Jamaat-e-Islami (JI) Amir Qazi Hussain Ahmed asked Jamiat Ulema-e-Islam-Fazl (JUI-F) chief Maulana Fazlur Rehman, in a harsh tone, to resign from the National Assembly along with other party parliamentarians. “Ask your MNAs to submit their resignations, otherwise allow other parties of the MMA to do what they want, � sources quoted Qazi as telling Fazl during a meeting of the supreme council on Thursday. Sources said that Fazl made last ditch efforts to convince Qazi and the leaders of the other four component parties to delay the decision to resign, but in vain. Later, Fazl agreed to tender resignations but sought some time to consult his party senators, MNAs and MPAs.

Sources said Fazl told the meeting that JUI-F Balochistan chief Maulana Muhammad Khan Sherani and other members belonging to the same province were not ready to resign. “They are not ready to act according to my advice,� sources quoted Fazl as saying. On this Qazi said, “They should follow the discipline of the alliance.�

… [Sources] added that when Fazl told Qazi that Sahibzada Haroonur Rashid’s resignation was in violation of MMA’s discipline, Qazi referred to Hafiz Hussain Ahmed’s resignation. At this point, sources said, Fazl and JUI-F Secretary General Maulana Abdul Ghafoor Haidery exchanged harsh words with Hafiz and termed the latter’s resignation from the NA a revolt… On the issue of Women’s Protection Bill, sources said that Haidery said the bill passed by the NA was not un-Islamic, which infuriated the meeting’s participants.

A separate report, also in the Daily Times, suggests that the resignations are already with the MMA leadership:

“We have resigned and the resignations are with me,� MMA President Qazi Hussain Ahmed told a press conference on Friday, and dispelled the impression that the MMA was internally divided over resigning in protest against the bill. He did not show the resignations to the media, but smiled when asked how he persuaded Maulana Fazlur Rehman to resign from the National Assembly. “We will submit the resignations during the next NA session,� he said. Qazi said the MMA had left “no doors open� for negotiations over the resignations. He did not set any date for resigning from the Senate or the NWFP government. “A decision on resigning from the Senate or the Balochistan government can come any time,� he added.

Meanwhile the discussion has now begun to focus on what might happen if the MMA does actually resign. One view is that to save itself the embarrassment of a mass resignation, the government may postpone the next session of the National Assembly. Qazi Hussain Ahmed seems to have thought this one through; according to the Daily Times:

The MMA on Friday vowed to submit a requisition for the upcoming National Assembly session in case the government tries to delay the session till March 15. There were reports that the federal minister for parliamentary affairs had advised the prime minister to delay the NA session for four months in the wake of the MMA’s decision to resign from the NA. Some federal ministers, including Sher Afgan Niazi, later denied the reports in their official statements… The MMA has 67 members in the NA and needs the support of at least 19 more MNAs to successfully requisition a session in December.

Meanwhile, the Urdu newspaper Jang (18 November, 2006) reports that Maulana Fazal ur Rahman has also said that the decision to resign will be implemented but he has suggested that the resignations will come only in the National Assembly and not in the Senate or Provincial Assemblies. Interestingly, he seems to be suggesting that there is a chance that the government may conduct early elections on the seats that the MMA vacates through resignation. He threatened street action from MMA and its allies if this were to happen. To quote the exact phrase, the newspaper reports his as saying “hum nay chooRian nahiN pehan rakhien” and that “hukumraan taqat ki zaban samajhtaiN hain tou usi zaban meiN jawab diya jaye ga” (“we are not wearing bangles” and “if the rulers understand the language of force then we will respond in the same language”). It is not clear whether the pun in the first statement was intended.

In an editorial on the subject, titled “Calling the MMA Bluff,” The News (18 November, 2006) ponders on why the MMA has taken the stance it has:

Conspiracy theories notwithstanding, the marriage of convenience, as some would have argued and said, between the current government and the Muttahida Majlis-i-Amal is in tatters following the momentous passage of the Women’s Protection Bill by the National Assembly this week. The government — presumably it all must lead back to President Musharraf himself — has called the MMA’s bluff and the six-party religious alliance’s response has been found wanting. Many have been left wondering why the MMA chose not to come good on its oft-repeated threat of resigning en masse if parliament were to pass the bill amending the Hudood Ordinance without incorporating the recommendations suggested by an ulema committee. Instead of doing that promptly, the MMA has come up with a novel decision. It announced on Thursday that the decision to resign from the National Assembly had been made but will be implemented in early December which raises several questions. Why the time lag and is this now going to be used by the alliance to get concessions from the government? In this, perhaps the MMA thinks that those in the PML-Q who are closer to it ideologically – and we all know who they are – may come out and help it in this matter.

As was already clear, and as became clearer today – when massive rallies were held in Karachi both in favor and against the Bill just passed – the politics of the Womens Rights Bill is larger than the women rights issue alone. It could possibly become the trigger and the catalyst of changes in the political alliances in the country.

Also see updated discussion and debate here.

70 Comments on “Will the MMA Resign? And, If So, Then What?”

  1. Eidee Man says:
    November 18th, 2006 12:26 am

    Wow, this bill just keeps getting better. First it reversed some pretty crazy laws and now its making our radicals resign!!

    A professor of mine once said that anything that has the word ‘Science’ tagged along with it is not really science. I think that logic can be applied to stuff that is called ‘Islamic.’ There was nothing Islamic about these laws…that is precisely why they had to add the word in the first place.

  2. Samdani says:
    November 18th, 2006 12:40 am

    I am no fan of MMA, but their resignation, if it comes, may not be something to celebrate. It will certainly mean more unrest. Probably street violence and protests and could not be good for democracy prospects either.

  3. Adnan Siddiqi says:
    November 18th, 2006 12:42 am

    @adilbhai: you know well, they will NOT. Mufta k allowances ek Pakistani kaise chor sakta hay? =)

    As I always say that both lefts and rights just keep looting this country in different forms,sometimes as a religious moron while other times as a fudal or a corrupt Army person.

  4. Adnan Siddiqi says:
    November 18th, 2006 12:48 am

    The most stupid reaction[anti/pro] I experienced was by MQM[Mutahida Qomi Movement]. Yesterday they literally siezed the entire M.A.JInnah road to celebrate Yom-e-Tashakur[A thanks giving day] in favor of new bill and came up with lame slogans in the city. Though I despise both MMA and MQM politics but the comment “Begani Shadi me Abdullah Dewana” for MQM by Jamat was too hilarious.

  5. Phil says:
    November 18th, 2006 4:37 am

    [quote comment="10515"]Wow, this bill just keeps getting better. First it reversed some pretty crazy laws and now its making our radicals resign!!

    A professor of mine once said that anything that has the word ‘Science’ tagged along with it is not really science. I think that logic can be applied to stuff that is called ‘Islamic.’ There was nothing Islamic about these laws…that is precisely why they had to add the word in the first place.[/quote]
    LOL :D

  6. TURAB says:
    November 18th, 2006 6:08 am

    MMA will do our nation a great favor by resigning.
    Takaluf kis baat ka hai?

  7. ayesha says:
    November 18th, 2006 8:08 am

    They won’t resign. They are politicians par excellence – they know these antics keep them on the map. They keep making rhetorical noises to sell to their constituencies. And I am sure they have also noted Musharraf’s praise of PPP et al in his speech. They are just acting like typical polticians, but how i wish that they would!

  8. MQ says:
    November 18th, 2006 8:20 am

    I have said it before on a related post that MMA’s threat to resign was an empty bluff. They have been thriving on bluff and bluster for a long time now. Remember their “million men” marches when they could not gather even ten thousand people? Watching their rallies last night one could see there were not enough people in those rallies even to fill the camera’s picture frame, unless I missed something.

    MMA’s strategy, or at least Fazal’s strategy, at this point seems to be to use the threat of resignations and mass rallies to pressure the government to make some more changes in the bill before it is presented in the Senate, then declare that they have succeeded in sanitizing the bill, declare victory and continue to rule happily thereafter until the next elections.

    My only fear is the government might succumb to MMA’s tactics and further dilute the bill. After all the Q-league has more than its share of mullas, even if they are clean shaved.I hope it won’t happen.

  9. Zak says:
    November 18th, 2006 11:00 am

    The MMA would like to hit the ground running..I have to say i think Qazi saab has found a way around Fazlur Rehmans realpolitik approach, individual members of the MMA by resigning, and in addition the chiding of the MQM and ANP at the MMA for not being brave enough to resign..may well force them to reisgn..if they do I suspect Musharrafs entire system may started to collapse.

  10. Kashif says:
    November 18th, 2006 11:36 am

    There are, and would be, some individual resignations submitted by parlimentarians who take their conscience too seriously. However MMA, and Fazulr Rehman in particular, won’t resign and if they do, MMA will be broken. FR is a pakka agenciyon ka aadmi and he will not do anything against them. As per the news, Qazi was ready to go for the resignations but FR delyaed that, asked for 4 days and then they decided to wait till Dec 6th. Now, the government is planning to adjourn NA session till March. Hopefully, assemblies would be dissolved in April and MMA would get its face saved….. Long Live Mullah Military Alliance

    A commentary on this is available at http://www.chowrangi.com/women-rights-bill-passed-say-goodbye-to-mma.html

  11. November 18th, 2006 12:44 pm

    MMA will not resign its all political lies. I think mullahs like them when come into politics tell more lies then before. Though I wish they would resign, probably there will be unrest after that but keeping them in govt. is also not fruitful for anyone. I am totally against of defecto govt. but if its Mullah who will rule as dejour govt. of Pakistan then better Musharraf stays.

  12. Adnan Siddiqi says:
    November 18th, 2006 1:31 pm

    kashif you gave a new vision/direction to MMA:D

    @Sadia: Bibi, I don’t find any single person in current govt to be selected govt[including the president] as a Better option than MMA people. We are 140+ in corruption, inflation rate is high etc etc. I don’t know what kinda achivement mush has in his pocket which should be accepted by Pakistan.

    can anyone tell me why Imran khaan is not yet successful?

  13. Nasir says:
    November 18th, 2006 2:18 pm

    Came across this website 30 mins back …must admit its awesome and heart warming ….about MMA ….I hope they resign (I highly doubt this) ..and I understand (especially being from Peshawar) that there will be some un-rest …but I try to look at the bright side …atleast we will not have these mullas in assembly to label every thing thats not islamic as “Islamic” …..

  14. November 18th, 2006 11:32 pm

    Here is an indication, from today’s Daily Times that this resignation business may grow into something bigger, and very different from the Womens Rights Bill alone:

    The Alliance for the Restoration of Democracy (ARD) is also considering resigning, if the Muttahida Majlis-e-Amal (MMA) keeps its pledge to quit the National Assembly in protest at the Women’s Protection Bill, to force the government into early elections, Daily Times has learnt.

    A source in the ARD confirmed this new development. “Yes, after considering different options the ARD local leadership has almost reached a unanimous decision to give the government a deadline of 30 days for the appointment of independent Election Commission of Pakistan and neutral caretaker set up, otherwise we will resign,â€

  15. JOEY says:
    November 19th, 2006 10:36 am

    WHY ARE YOU WASTING TIME TALKING ABOUT THESE GARBAGE PEOPLE, TAKE YOUR TIME AND EFFORT TO SOME OTHER CONTRUCTIVE OR FUN POST (ATLEAST YOU’LL HAVE A GOOD TIME.) TRUST ME YOU ARE WAISTING YOUR TIME, THESE MULLAHS WITH AIK POOREY THAAN KAPRAY KI PAGRY OR POOREY AIK KAPRA KANDHEY PEY DALLAA HUWA HAI AUR ROLEX KI KHAREE (WATCH) PEHNI HUI HAEY. AUR SEHAT DEYKHO TOONDEY BAHER NIKLEE HUI HAIN MUFTEY KA KHA KHA KER. LOOK AT THE THEIR PERFORMANCE IN ASSEMBLY AND THE TOPICS RAISED BY THESE PEOPLE ARE SO FUNNY THIS SHOWS THEIR INTELECT, DO YOU THINK THESE GUYS ARE CAPABLE OF RUNNING PAKISTAN FOR EVEN TEN SECONDS???? THOUGH PAKISTAN IS THIRD WORLD COUNTRY BUT STILL YOU NEED BEST OF THE BEST TO RUN PAKISTAN THERE IS GLOBAL COMMERCE, INTERNATIONAL POLITICS, DOEMESTIC/INTERNATIONAL FINANCIAL TRASACTIONS, DOMESTIC INDUSTRY AND SO ON THIS REQUIRE EDUCATION KNOW HOW OF PRESENT DAY SOCIAL, POLITICAL, COMMERCIAL SITUATION. DO YOU THINK THESE JOKERS ARE EVEN CAPABLE UNDERSTANDING 5% OF ABOVE, WITH FAKE DEGREES.

    PAKISTAN IS BEING RUN BEHIND THE SCENE WITH REALLY INTELLIGENT PEOPLE MAYBE YOU CAN SAY ILLUMINATIS. THESE HYPOCRYTICAL PEOPLE LIKE MULLAHS ETC ARE JUST LIKE A COMEDY SHOW (LIKE 80′S SHOW FIFTY FIFTY)YOU HAVE A LAUGH AND THEN YOU WAIT FOR ANOTHER WEEK EPISODE.

    UNFORTUNATELY WHEN 80% OF PAKISTAN DON’T HAVE EDUCATION SO THE CAPACITY TO REASON IN CONSTRUCTIVE WAY CAN NEVER BE ACHIEVED. SO THESE 80% POPULATION WILL BE MANIPULATED BY THESE FEW MULLAHS IN THE NAME OF RELIGION AND THEY WILL KEEP ELECTING THEM LIKE ZOMBIES.

  16. Hassan says:
    November 20th, 2006 3:03 am

    I think the MMA may actually rattle the government enough to slow down on its reform on this issue. Also, it is now placing a wedge amongst the opposition by making this about Musharraf and the elections and not just about the womens rights bill. If they are successful in that, then things will get more problem for the government.

  17. Kabir says:
    November 19th, 2006 11:40 pm

    What is amazing here is:

    1)MMA is openly against giving rights to women (by opposing the bill)

    2) They (Mullah Party) have said: [quote post="422"]â€

  18. November 19th, 2006 11:48 pm

    Kabir hold your horeses. It was mushrraf who first made a Rumsfeldish statment that if oponents will fire one rocket then we[govt] will fire several rockets.

  19. Marwat says:
    November 20th, 2006 3:54 am

    The real part of thsi story is being missed. This is really about politics INSIDE the MMA. JI and JUI have always been uncomfortable with each other. They got together for convenience only. Now, Qazi si forcing Fazl’s hand and trying to take back control of the MMA.

  20. Humair says:
    November 20th, 2006 8:05 pm

    The way things are shaping up it does seem now that the JI will resign and the JUI will not. The MMA was always unnatural and this may be its end in this shape. If they cannot run in elections togetehr then they may not win as many seats because the religious vote will be divided. All in all, not a bad thing at all.

  21. Amra says:
    November 20th, 2006 9:26 am

    In the picture on the left – are they doing a ‘Mexican wave’?

  22. MQ says:
    November 20th, 2006 9:35 am

    Amra, it looks to me more like an Islamic bhangrra!

  23. MQ says:
    November 20th, 2006 1:44 pm

    Those of you who are not familiar with the the background of the mullah in the orange turban in the picture, he was, and still is, known in the Frontier Province as “Maulana Diesel”. There is a big scam behind this name. Ask any one in NWFP and he will tell you about it.

    No way, he will resign!

  24. Idrees says:
    November 21st, 2006 2:07 pm

    Could all of this be partly staged. The General will get credit for doing something (not enough), the Mullahs will get credit from tehir people for not sitting quietly. Eventually all will settle, only very little will change and they will keep doing what they have always done.

  25. Omar R. Quraishi says:
    November 21st, 2006 8:02 am

    This is our newspaper’s editorial on this matter –
    Published on Nov. 18, 2006

    Calling the MMA’s bluff

    Conspiracy theories notwithstanding, the marriage of convenience, as some would have argued and said, between the current government and the Muttahida Majlis-i-Amal is in tatters following the momentous passage of the Women’s Protection Bill by the National Assembly this week. The government — presumably it all must lead back to President Musharraf himself — has called the MMA’s bluff and the six-party religious alliance’s response has been found wanting. Many have been left wondering why the MMA chose not to come good on its oft-repeated threat of resigning en masse if parliament were to pass the bill amending the Hudood Ordinance without incorporating the recommendations suggested by an ulema committee. Instead of doing that promptly, the MMA has come up with a novel decision. It announced on Thursday that the decision to resign from the National Assembly had been made but will be implemented in early December which raises several questions. Why the time lag and is this now going to be used by the alliance to get concessions from the government? In this, perhaps the MMA thinks that those in the PML-Q who are closer to it ideologically — and we all know who they are — may come out and help it in this matter.

    Whatever the real reasons for such a ‘decision’ to resign, it would make most laypeople think that the alliance is all rhetoric and no action, because it failed to come good on its earlier pledge. Maybe to escape this censure, one MMA MNA has publicly said that he has resigned. Also, the announcement to quit from the lower house but in a few weeks time seems to reflect a certain lack of unanimity in the six-party alliance. Television footage indicated this on the very day the bill was passed. The JI chief, who is also the alliance’s president, stormed out of parliament leaving his erstwhile JUI chief, who also happens to be the leader of the opposition, to speak curtly to journalists bent on getting an answer to the obvious question: ‘When will the MMA resign, as it said it would?’ Then, on the day of the announcement — Thursday — it seemed as if the two gentlemen were not in agreement over the resignation decision though publicly the MMA insists there is no dissension or disunity in its ranks.

    One hopes that the MMA can see the irony in its predicament, for which it needs to blame only itself. The alliance took what it believed to be the moral high ground on the issue of changing the Hudood laws (of course many others would see opposition to amending a terrible law as anything but ‘moral’) but has negated that stand by refusing to abide by its pledge to resign. In anything, the dilly-dallying means that (a) the moral high ground is forever lost to the MMA and (b) that religious parties are just like any mainstream political party in that the attractions of power and privilege are sometimes so strong that a compromise on one’s principles is all but unavoidable. The issue of resignations aside, opposition to the bill’s passage does not present some of the parties in a particularly good light either. With the MMA one at least knew where the religious parties stood on the bill and there were no surprises. One is referring here to the PML-N and the Pakistan Tehrik-e-Insaf because their opposition to what can only be seen as welcome and much-needed legislation paints these parties as ideological bedfellows of the MMA.

  26. Omar R. Quraishi says:
    November 21st, 2006 8:03 am

    And one on Nov 21, 2006

    ‘No need to alter the Hudood bill’

  27. MQ says:
    November 21st, 2006 9:28 am

    Omar Quraishi,

    Does your newspaper have an e-mail address where one could send a letter to the editor? I searched the whole website but couldn’t find one. If it is there it is very effectively hidden.

    I wonder if you or anyone else could please post it here. Thanks.

    MQ

  28. Yahya says:
    November 21st, 2006 5:10 pm

    Quite possible. Works for everyone except public.

  29. Yahya says:
    November 21st, 2006 5:13 pm

    [quote comment="11185"]Omar Quraishi,

    Does your newspaper have an e-mail address where one could send a letter to the editor? I searched the whole website but couldn’t find one. If it is there it is very effectively hidden.

    I wonder if you or anyone else could please post it here. Thanks.

    MQ[/quote]

    editor.internet@jang.com.pk

  30. MQ says:
    November 21st, 2006 6:36 pm

    Yahya, thanks!

  31. Yahya says:
    November 21st, 2006 7:36 pm
  32. Hamza Hasan says:
    November 21st, 2006 8:21 pm

    Somewhat unrelated but it our very own MMA chief Qazi Hussain Ahmad was denied a visa to Egypt. It seems like the Egyptian government doesn’t want our Mullah’s causing trouble in their country.

    http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2006\11\22\story_22-11-2006_pg1_3

  33. Hawwa says:
    November 23rd, 2006 1:32 am

    The Senate debate on the Bill started today. It still needs Senate approval. The MMA had some tough words to say. Repors say this debate will be longer than in National Assembly and will continue at least tomorrow and beyond. It is expected that the bill wil pass through the Senate, but the debate will give us an indication of just how much room there is for further reform and how much govt will accomodate MMA.

  34. Omar R. Quraishi says:
    November 22nd, 2006 4:38 am

    MQ the correct email address is

    news.post@thenews.com.pk

    Mark it

    Attention:

    Omar R. Quraishi
    Op-ed pages editor
    The News

  35. November 22nd, 2006 4:52 am

    From the mentioned “The NEWS” article”


    PML-Q chief Chaudhry Shujaat Hussain should make an offer to the religious alliance to remove any provision in the legislation contrary to Islam’s teachings.

    I think Shujat has given offer to neautral Ulema comitttie rather MMA.

    from the same article:

    The MMA’s position on the bill is well known and the alliance is also in a minority. Common sense would dictate that in a democracy the will of the minority cannot be enforced on the majority but this is apparently what the PML-Q chief seems to be bent on doing.

    Where on earth it’s said that in Democratic environment, you don’t need to consult with opposition or minority. If democracy is all about accepting things by majority then not kick all non-muslims out of this country or force them to follow what majority[Muslims] follow.?

    IMO, Shujjat is doing a good job to keep the things calm and trying to settle things politically unlike that Foji who just gets ready to fire rockets on oponents.

  36. Hawwa says:
    November 24th, 2006 2:00 am

    I have not seen the news you mention about MMA saying that they will surely resign. But the passing of the Womens Bill is a major event. Note that PML-N ABSTAINED and Mushahid Hussain and some other PML-Q people were also absent and it is reported that Shujaat Hussain is not very happy with things. I think this is a milestone in the Mush regime and desipte everything if he continues pushing on real reform maybe people like me will start supporting him again as we once did but no longer do.

  37. Omar R. Quraishi says:
    November 23rd, 2006 4:14 am

    Adnan — have you ever heard of a law being passed and then discussion being initiated on it with the opposition which opposed it?

    and the ulema committee is anything but neutral — it has nominees from the MMA

  38. November 23rd, 2006 4:37 am

    Omar: so your point is that a law passed by people in Office is unobjectionable and can’t be discussed like the words in Holy books?

    [quote post="422"]and the ulema committee is anything but neutral â€

  39. November 23rd, 2006 4:38 am

    Read todays paper, a refute to your claim, govt has decided to submit select comittie bill regardless MMA listens or not. You should read papers other than dailytimes.

  40. Omar R. Quraishi says:
    November 23rd, 2006 7:38 am

    adnan — what can i say except that you are misinformed — and STOP MISQUOTING ME — i never said that a law that is passed should not be discussed — WHAT I SAID IS THAT IT IS DOWNRIGHT ILLOGICAL TO FIRST PASS A PIECE OF LEGISLATION AND ONCE IT IS PASSED TO THEN SAY THAT ‘OH POINT OUT ANYTHING WRONG IN IT AND WE WILL CHANGE IT– Furthermore to ask the opposition which opposed the legislation’s passage to now point out anything wrong with it is ridiculous — you cant be so naive mr adnan — do you live outside pakistan?

  41. Omar R. Quraishi says:
    November 23rd, 2006 7:40 am

    like i said you are misinformed — ch shujaat saying something on the bill is different than the govt saying something on it — seems the bill’s passage in the National Assembly may have served to sideline Chaudhry Shujaat

  42. MQ says:
    November 23rd, 2006 8:59 am

    Omar Quraishi,

    I have said it before elsewhere on this blog and I will say once again:

    “The mind of a mullah is like the pupil of an eye. The more light you throw on it the narrower it gets.”

    And, thanks for providing the e-mail address of your newspaper.

  43. bhindigosht says:
    November 23rd, 2006 11:38 am

    Omar R. Quraishi,

    I just wanted to let you know that there has been a remarkable improvement in ‘The News’ op-ed pieces over the past one year. You have more op-eds by younger people and on a variety of topics (not just the born-again democrats pontificating to us on the benefits of participatory politics). So thanks for the good work.

    Also,great work by Ansar Abbasi and Rauf Klasra from your paper……. perhaps the only English language daily newspaper journalists who do investigative work.

  44. Adnan Siddiqi says:
    November 23rd, 2006 1:37 pm

    [quote post="422"]WHAT I SAID IS THAT IT IS DOWNRIGHT ILLOGICAL TO FIRST PASS A PIECE OF LEGISLATION[/quote]

    Lower your caps. I think you better need to calm down first. What kinda newspaper guy you’re? I bet you used to get pissed all the after reading things which you don’t agree. Read again what I said above. You’re not happy with Shujjat’s move because you think that govt already has required guys to pass this bill then why shujat creating trouble. Unlike Musharraf who is a “foji”, shujat is using his brain and kindly don;t fool me around by saying bill was PASSED. Every one knows how that bill was passed by force. The bill currenly passed is the one approved by Select comittie, and don’t have 6 points mentioned by Ulema. You hate ulema or not, you don’t matter here but they are part of entire issue since they were asked to give their opinon as well. If definition of democracy is to approve something with force and create an unrest environment then I would love to know how would you define dictatorship. You should spend a bit time to read Jang to have further understandings. You have rights to demonstrate your political views for a certain cult but please do discuss facts as well which are even published in jang paper.

  45. Adnan Siddiqi says:
    November 23rd, 2006 11:27 pm

    [quote post="422"]a mullah[/quote]
    *grin*

    I have a question from all mullah bashers. I wonder who’s hired at the time of marriage and wedding cermony to *legitimize* it or word legitimize is too foriegn in your cabal *wink*? just curious because after so much haterd ,if you still are dependant on them then your cabal is hypocrite if not then did you preach everyone who is associated with you to cancel nikah and don’t ask molvis to pray funerals? let me know.

    [quote post="422"]he mind of a mullah is like the pupil of an eye. The more light you throw on it the narrower it gets.â€

  46. MQ says:
    November 24th, 2006 12:07 am

    Folks, the Senate has also passed the Women’s Protection bill. “Mullah Diesel” now says MMA’s decision to resign from the assemblies is final (hattami faisal hai) but they would still like to negotiate with the government to make the bill “Islamic”. What do you make of it?

  47. November 24th, 2006 12:30 am

    Omar since you’re part of a newspaper and claim to know many things happening around and also know much about democracy stuff; 10 days back I was trying to solve this confusion and putting it infront of public via my blog[mentioned above] to teach me difference between democracy and dictatorship. Could you who have been preaching about democracy can tell me the difference? Link here

    Would love to know that whether GHQ is following Yanks’ dictionary which Bush’s regime has been using while dealing with Iraq and Afghanistan in the name of ‘War on Terror’?

    mods-No spamming/advertisment intended. it’s just I’m too lazy to produce something which I have already made.

  48. Mariam says:
    November 24th, 2006 2:48 am

    WAS there no Islam before the Hudood Ordinance, 1979? Will there be no Islam after this iniquitous law is amended? What storm of absolute nonsense are the mullahs trying to whip up? Read more here

  49. Omar R. Quraishi says:
    November 24th, 2006 3:58 am

    adnan siddiqi — frankly speaking i have more use for my time than interacting with a low IQ individual like you — oh plz dont be offended, i base that on the quality, or lack thereof, of your responses

  50. Omar R. Quraishi says:
    November 24th, 2006 4:02 am

    the legislation was not passed by force which wrecks your main argument im afraid — in fact in the Senate members of three opposition parties voted for the bill as well –

    btw do you even read any newspaper — wait let me guess what your favourite papers are adnan, jasarat and ummat right?

  51. MQ says:
    November 24th, 2006 8:40 am

    [quote ]
    “I have a question from all mullah-bashers. I wonder who’s hired at the time of marriage and wedding ceremony”
    [/quote]

    Anyone, please correct me if I am wrong. Islam does not require a mullah to perform a nikah or funeral ceremonies. Any Muslim can do it. Nor does it even require a mullah to lead the prayers. Any Muslim can do it.

    The Poet of the East and the Ummah had identified three evils in Muslim society, which he described in these words:

    Yeh kushtah-e- sultaany-o-mullaayee-o-peeri

    [This deadly combination of dictatorship, mullahism and the the copycat saints]

    Regarding the rest of your message, frankly, I didn’t quite understand it. Perhaps if you could write it in simple English I would make an attempt to answer your questions.

  52. Umera says:
    November 24th, 2006 9:29 am

    This post is really not about mullah and their role at weddings. MQ has rightly pointed out that that they are not required to perform a nikkah. However, it might be interesting to note that when they do perform nikkah, they cross out all the parts of the “Nikkahnama” that deal with the rights of woman because apparently this creates fitna.

  53. November 24th, 2006 10:07 am

    MQ, I have already cleared wht message I wanted to send you and you have also understood it so no need of trolling here. I hope you will also remember my words and wouldn’t try to be *funny* again to demonstrate your skills, as I said I have been enjoying your miserable condition. I wish you continue your exercise till your last breathe.

    @umera: there is no need of useless support. The many of posts are also not about Mullah bashing[including this and abdul salam one] but this kid troll all the time to promote his agenda. At that time you didn’t comeup because that was something which was according to your taste and mentality. Nobody needs fatwa of yours and tht mq guy because tht was just used as an example which stirred brain of few guys here who even started talking about it seriously. LOL!

    @Omar: There was nothign between lines. I already cleared what is meant ‘by force’ i.e: they didn’t pay attention to points raised by Ulema comittie. Lets agree for sake of argument tht you’re right and majority accepted hudood bill. Now why don’t you apply same case in NWFP where hasba was passed? IMO, both bills are controversial and unnecessary. When Central govt can pass a bill and want others to accept then that govt should respect the opinion of majority who passed hasba bill. Please don’t curse me if your’re not capable to think out of the box. I had reason to give link of my post about dealing same issue[passing of bills] in different method. Just because one bill appears Extreemist or Talibanized then everyone started whining about it. if govt has right to go against Hasba in court then similarly MMA has right to go in court against WPB. Do consider others ‘normal creatures’ too. Problem with both lefts and rights that they think they are best and others are merely parasites.

    [quote post="422"]btw do you even read any newspaper â€

  54. November 24th, 2006 10:15 am

    BTW, do you eever read Jang Omar? There was an article in two epsides by Taqi Usmani in Jang. I know either you haven’t read it or ignored it because it would be too french for you.

    [quote post="422"]WAS there no Islam before the Hudood Ordinance, 1979? Will there be no Islam after this iniquitous law is amended? What storm of absolute nonsense are the mullahs trying to whip up? Read more here[/quote]

    Mariam deer, It’s always lovely to get engaged with you here and *there*[you know well where] and everytime you have made my day. I guess you’re trying to say tht ‘there was no need of law’ right? if yes then I tend to agree with you tht there was no need of law because women were not being raped on roads at that time,same point was raised by Dr.Mehdi on Geo. I do agree but I would like to know your understanding tht why laws are created. I can argue with you for years and years that ‘why govt made a law that we have to stop our cars on red light, we re educted enough and can take care of things on road. Similary there is no need of courts and jails; after all not every pakistani is comitting crime. I have not done it,I am sure you wouldnt have comitted any crime either then why you and me face such bondings? Please do make sense and use your own brain rather depending on brain of Ayaz amir or on some xyz person.

  55. Umera says:
    November 24th, 2006 11:01 am

    …and we obviously need yours!

    If this is comment is offensive, please by all means delete it, but someone has to say something about this demeriting of views and personal attack merely because one does not agree with the other person. I do not understand this bigotry implication that because I do not agree, I lack knowledge of religion, social structure, politics and everything else. The implication that just because I do not agree with the popular pulpit belief that I am not knowledgeable enough or lack religious conviction is completely unacceptable and is extremely offensive.

  56. November 24th, 2006 12:24 pm

    [quote post="422"]and we obviously need yours![/quote]

    I assume you’re replying me.Nobody[or me] asked you to buy my theory. You’re free to reject or accept it or refute it with solid claims and should have courage to listen oponents rather just rejecting them.

    [quote post="422"]personal attack merely because one does not agree with the other person. I do not understand this bigotry implication that because I do not agree, I lack knowledge of religion, social structure, politics and everything else. The implication that just because I do not agree with the popular pulpit belief that I am not knowledgeable enough or lack religious conviction is completely unacceptable and is extremely offensive.[/quote]

    If you’re addressing me then I am not the right target. If you’re hitting to MQ,Omar or anyother who disagree with me just because I don’t agree with them then ignore my message. Because extreemist of both sides[lefts liberals; pro Musharraf, and right conservative;pro MMA] never give credit to others view. you or members of both extreemist factions should realize that majority of Pakistanis despise/abhore[someone tell more strong word] both left wings liberals and right wing so called religious more than anything in world. General public don’t give a damn whether old hudood law is here or som new bill is being proposed by mma or by govt. They need ‘roti’ which both cabals failed to produce.

    Funny thing is both cabal would keep abusing each other by saying “you mullah” and “You amerika ka yaar” and wouldn’t do anything for the betterment of masses and this is really unfortunate for majority of pakistanis like me.

    The day you realized that, you would start hating both groups and wouldn’t care much whateve both parties preach on different platforms.

  57. Faarabi says:
    November 24th, 2006 1:34 pm

    Umera,
    Do you really think there is one?

  58. MQ says:
    November 24th, 2006 3:10 pm

    Ayaz Amir wrote a good column today explaining how and when the mullahs started gaining space and voice that they have today in Pakistan. It is here: http://dawn.com/weekly/ayaz/ayaz.htm

    I compare the mullahs with toothpaste. Once out of the tube, toothpaste cannot be pushed back. If you try to do it, you will just create a mess. The best thing is to slice off the portion that is out, wash it down the drain and immediately cap the tube. In other words cut them off from their source of funding.

  59. Samdani says:
    November 24th, 2006 9:25 pm

    Seems like a new alliance may be on its way.A MMA-PML(N) ‘ideological’ grouping, and Shujaat may find it hard to keen his team in check on this one.

  60. Mariam says:
    November 24th, 2006 10:02 pm

    Can someone tell me why MMA women are FOR the Hudood ordinance; don’t they know how to read Quran? I’m ashamed to find out that these religious people are giving Islam a bad name even in other countries.

    MQ,

    I read that article too :). I hope Urdu dalies too publish something like that.

  61. Faarabi says:
    November 25th, 2006 11:06 am

    MQ, Could not use a better analogy!

  62. Yahya says:
    November 25th, 2006 11:10 am

    [quote comment="12012"]Shujaat may find it hard to keen his team in check on this one.[/quote]

    No problem there. Don’t underestimate the attraction of being in government.

  63. December 7th, 2006 1:27 am

    Here is the latest on the resignations issue. According to the Daily Times (7 December, 2006):

    MMA leaders split over issue of resignations
    Three parties including JUI-F refuse to resign

    ISLAMABAD: The six-party Muttahida Majlis-e-Amal (MMA) has split down the middle over the issue of resignations, with three of its components refusing to quit the National Assembly in protest at the Women’s Protection Bill. The Jamiat Ulema-e-Islam (Fazl), JUI (Senior) led by Pir Abdur Rahim Naqshbandi, and Jamiat Ahle Hadith led by Professor Sajid Mir said at an MMA parliamentary party meeting on Wednesday that they would not resign from the National Assembly.

    Qazi Hussain Ahmed, MMA president and chief of the Jamaat-e-Islami, is the biggest proponent of resignations. He said at the meeting that the MMA should resign because that was what the Supreme Council had decided. He said it was right to resign because parliament had just passed an “un-Islamicâ€

  64. TURAB says:
    December 7th, 2006 3:43 am

    Mushi is just too great!! divide and conquer!

    Jeayy Mushi!

  65. Owais Mughal says:
    December 7th, 2006 5:13 pm

    Adil
    The latest political groupings that seem to take shape for next year’s elections look like this

    PML(N), JI and PTI of Imran Khan as one alliance.

    PPP, MQM, PML(Q) and PML(F) in a loose alliance or more as a ‘marriage of convenience’ eventhough there is no love lost b/w PML(Q), MQM and PPP

    JUI may emerge as losers as they are getting played on repeatedly by Ch Shujaat.

  66. sosan says:
    December 8th, 2006 12:22 am

    MQ,
    Your prediction was so right about MMA’s resignation.
    I have said it before on a related post that MMA’s threat to resign was an empty bluff. They have been thriving on bluff and bluster for a long time now.

    Today[Thursday]MMA decided that it would delay its decision on resignation.

  67. MQ says:
    December 8th, 2006 6:44 am

    Sosan,

    Anyone who knows the mullahs in Pakistan, and particularly “Mullah Diesel”, could see that they were bluffing. They always do. The only problem is we tend to take them seriously and are afraid to call their bluff. I am glad someone did this time.

  68. MQ says:
    December 19th, 2006 3:29 pm

    Folks, remember how the mullahs of the MMA were threatening to resign from the assemblies if the so-called Women’s Protection Bill was passed? And when the bill was passed the mullah in the orange turban said in press statements and on TV talk shows, several times, that they had made a khattami faisla (not hattami but khattami) to quit the assemblies.

    Yesterday the same Mullah is quoted in The News as claiming: “that the MMA had foiled a conspiracy of the federal government by not quitting parliament”!

    Well, they may look immobile physically but you cannot beat the mullahs in political agility.

  69. February 9th, 2007 7:18 am

    [...] I am left rather speechless. So, here is the news item from Daily Times (February 9, 2007) that reports on the matter: The Jamiat Ulema-e-Islam (JUI) will celebrate 2007 by paying tribute to the heroes who played an important role in the independence of Pakistan ignoring Quaid-e-Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah and his companions, JUI officials told Daily Times on Thursday. They said that the party would hold conventions in Peshawar and other cities of the NWFP in March to highlight the services of ‘real freedom fighters’. [...]

  70. Arifa says:
    April 27th, 2007 3:52 am

    Since these maulvis do not like Jinnah nor the country he created, maybe they should consider leaving it. No?

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