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1927-2006: Nawab Akbar Bugti Killed

Posted on August 26, 2006
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Government sources in Pakistan have just announced that Nawab Akbar Bugti, chief of the Bugti tribe, veteran politician, and senior Baluchistan leader, has been killed in a shootout between “tribal militants and government forces” in Balochistan.

This is very sad and disturbing news that cannot bode well for anyone. While details are still coming in, BBC reports:

The battle near his mountain hideout in south-west Pakistan also caused heavy casualties on both sides, reports say. More than 20 soldiers and at least 30 rebels died, officials say. The octogenarian has been at the head of a tribal campaign to win political autonomy and a greater share of revenue from Balochistan’s gas reserves. “It is confirmed, Nawab Bugti has been killed in an operation,” Information Minister Mohammad Ali Durrani told Reuters news agency. The battle reportedly took place near the town of Dera Bugti, not far from Mr Bugti’s hideout.



According to a newsflash posted on The News website:

Jamhori Watan Party (JWP) chief Nawab Akbar Khan Bugti was killed in a historical operation carried out by security forces in Kohlu and Murree tribal areas on Saturday night, Federal Information Minister Muhammad Ali Durrani confirmed… Pakistan People’s Party Parliamentarians (PPP-P) leader Makhdoom Amin Faheem termed Akbar Bugti’s death an incident which could worsen security situation in Pakistan.

The death, and the manner of death, of the veteran Baluch leader will indeed worsen the security situation in Baluchistan and exacerbate the feeling of marginalization amongst Baluchis. Nawab Bugti had, at various points in his life, ‘butted heads’ with just about all major leaders in Pakistan. His recent standoff with the Musharraf government was not the highpoint of his own political career but it may well be the lowest point of the Musharraf rule. However, more than the implications on immediate politics – which will become more clear and more pronounced over the next many days – this marks a tragic end to the life of an important political leader.

Born on July 12, 1927, Nawab Bugto was a ‘ tribal’ who was educated at Oxford, England, Aitchison College, Lahore and Karachi Grammar School and has served as Governor and Chief Minister of Baluchistan. Mr. Bugti’s legacy was clearly a mixed one and will be much debated and much dissected. He was, however, a major leader and this was indeed a sad and tragic way to go.

244 Comments on “1927-2006: Nawab Akbar Bugti Killed”

  1. Roshan Malik says:
    August 26th, 2006 6:27 pm

    Thanks Adil for bringing this issue immediately on ATP.
    Personally I am very sad and upset to know the tragic death of Nawab Akbar Bugti as it reminds us that we did not learn any lesson from our pathetic experiences of past. Just take the example how Pakistan was dismembered due to these security forces operations. Why we always beleive that use of POWER is the solution of conflict resolution.
    The execution of ZA Bhutto and detention and tortures on political parties in Zia’s regime could not crush PPP, rather it became more strong after eleven years of Military Rule.
    The Paka Qila operation in Sind against MQM could not undermine its political strength.
    And now the operation in Balochistan is another glaring example of extra judical killing of so many people.
    I personally believe that Bhutto and Bugti will remain alive and will be personified as the icons of resistance against the authoritarian regimes. There is a need to have a Truth and Reconciliation Commission in Pakistan to enquire the assasinations of political figures and the unconstitutional interventions of forces.
    Harrison wrote a book on use of armed forces against the Baloch nationalists in 70′s here is his interview which he gave to BBC some days back: http://www.bbc.co.uk/urdu/multimedia/story/2006/08/060818_selig_harrison_int.shtml

  2. Zak says:
    August 26th, 2006 7:15 pm

    Tragic..a stubborn mercurial man..but even Bhutto did not kill the Sardars in the 1970′s. The problem is military leaders look at complex political porblems simplistically..and then wonder why things go wrong.

  3. Aziz Akhmad says:
    August 26th, 2006 7:36 pm

    “People who wield hammers see every problem as a nail.”

  4. August 26th, 2006 8:19 pm

    i wish he were tried in courts and found guilty instead of the end he met.

  5. Eidee Man says:
    August 26th, 2006 9:48 pm

    And they wonder why the other three provinces do not trust the center?

  6. August 26th, 2006 10:06 pm

    Just yesterday there was news of a Jirga meeting that had declared the Sardari system invalid. It was termed a mockery of the system by those who understand the jirgas well – a show put up by the government. Now this news is very disturbing, eerily hinting that the government may have known what was coming.

  7. August 26th, 2006 10:22 pm
  8. Aziz Akhmad says:
    August 26th, 2006 11:10 pm

    While we are discussing Balochistan we may like to keep in mind the difference between Baloch and Balochi. Baloch (not Baluch) are the people and Balochi (not Baluchi) is their language.

  9. Saad says:
    August 26th, 2006 11:41 pm

    A very unfortunate end to an unfortunate situation. But Bugti had it coming for him for a long time now. When you choose to live by the gun you die by the gun.

  10. jyoti says:
    August 27th, 2006 1:04 am

    Well, I don’t know much about Mr. Bugti, but years ago I had read in “Herald” about the power he held ib Baloch areas. Roshan, I agree with you that killing powerful leaders in opposition, no matter who, does not bode well for a country. Here, I would like to give an example form India. In 1977, when Mrs. Indira Gandhi lost the Loksabha elections, nobody gave her a chance of making a comeback. But the leraders of the opposition, who were now in power, couldn’t resist taking revenge and sent her to jail for just one day on flimsy ground. That turned the table and the same “awaam”, that her voted Mrs. Gandhi out of power, brought her back with overwhelming majority within two and a half years. this subcontinet doesn’t tolerate injustice done by those in power.

  11. August 27th, 2006 2:14 am

    Why is it a SAD news???because Musharraf took action against him?You know know how much those balochis and we karachiites have suffered due to that Balochistan Liberation Army.They used to wave Black Flag on 14th of August.

    At one side we whine about bad politicians and on other hand we are mourning on their deaths.I am glad about this operation.He was running a movement for sepration and was being aided by neighbouring countries.I see when General starts some operation against other corrupt politicians.”Latoun k bhoot batoun se nahi mantay”

  12. jyoti says:
    August 27th, 2006 2:54 am
  13. August 27th, 2006 3:06 am

    Well Adnan, we should also remember that he remianed an elected chief minister of Baluchistan and also was elected to the National Assembly. He had a support base, which was not limited to the Bugti tribe alone. His views had hardened over a period of time primarily due to the way the Centre/establishment was handling Baluchistan. Have you been to Baluchistan ever? The province has some very genuine grievances – quite similar to what had led to the “fall of Dhaka” in 1971.
    His death is a tragic event because it creats a very dangerous trend, which can be (and will be) detrimental to the federation of Pakistan. One may strongly differ with his political opinion and ways (blackmailing the state for gas royalties, etc) but killing him in this brutal fashion is worst than all what he was accused of. Also he could have left Pakistan like some other well known political leaders and save his life but he decided otherwise. There is no evidence so far of any outside help to him.

  14. MSk says:
    August 27th, 2006 3:18 am

    Indefinite curfew imposed in Quetta:
    http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=worldNews&storyID=2006-08-27T050657Z_01_L26466565_RTRUKOC_0_US-PAKISTAN-VIOLENCE.xml&archived=False

    “As news of his death spread late on Saturday, protesters took to the streets of Quetta, the provincial capital. More than a dozen vehicles were burned and at least three banks and a petrol station were torched, residents said. There were no reports of any casualties in the protests but about 100 people, most of them students, were arrested, police said.”

  15. MSk says:
    August 27th, 2006 3:21 am

    Adil, I am so glad you put that picture of the young Bugti with Jinnah.
    For most of his political life he was actually amongst the relatively ‘moderate’ Baloch nationalists. In many ways in the the high-handedness of the military govt. that forced him into this corner.
    As a feudal who kept his area backwards I have many differences with his politics. But he was a major national leader with a great following and a long history of democratic politics. It is a sad day when anyone dies. It is sadder when a major leader dies. But saddest of all is how he died and at whose hands. Let us all pray for peace.

  16. mansoor says:
    August 27th, 2006 3:22 am

    i came here to write something… but adnan beat me to it. i agree with him wholeheartedly!

    good post adil :)

  17. ali raza says:
    August 27th, 2006 3:46 am

    I agree with Adnan. What exactly are you guys mourning. We should be celebrating the death of a terrorist and avowed enemy of the state. Bugti, Mari, and Mengal have held Balochistan hostage by indulging in terrorism for a long time. They are implicated in countless murders, blowing up gas pipelines, kidnapping foreign engineers for ransom, paying for terrorist bombings in Karachi, indulging in drug and weapon smuggling, killing government officials including high court judges, and the charge sheet of crimes against Pakistan continues.

    Even with their own, these are the most violent tribes in the province. When they weren’t fighting Pakistani troops, they were fighting each other. All of them have killed each others sons to the point of decimating their own bloodlines. They have been involved in tribal cleansing of smaller tribes from their territories. They have held the province back by creating a hostile environment in the province that is not condusive to any investment in industry or public infrastructure. They weren’t looking for higher royalties for the province. They were seeking more money for their personal coffers.

    Their has to come a point in our collective thought where we realize that the tragedy of 1971 was inevitable. But we can’t let the memory haunt us from doing the right thing now. The situation is not the same.

    Aziz Akhmed, Baloch or Baluch or Balouch is the same thing. I should know I am a Baloch from Korai tribe. The persian tribes use Baluch. Same banana.

  18. August 27th, 2006 4:16 am

    Hasan,will due respect,you are an author so you would definately speak in language of an author.I speak in language of a layman who belongs to this country and specially from karachi who has suffered many times by such evil elements backed by neighbour country.Dont you the country embassy who have been controlling all terrorism machinary in balochistan?

    and which dangerous trend are you talking about?Where was that trend when Benazir killed his own brother and other party members like Najeeb?and Altaf killed Azeem Tariq?I think this is the first good thing came out from the pocket of Musharraf.I do not favor his operation in Waziristan but definately was in favor of balochistan army.Balochistan is a very hot region and many countries(i repeat many countries) with watered mouth looking to capture that particular area.I hope they would have recieved a good message by Pakistan govt.

  19. August 27th, 2006 4:22 am

    Hasan Abbas, you might have relied on different news resources while my uncle used to work in SUI company so i have lots of things about him.So I dnt think i need to rely any news sources to potray him as an *evil*.Doesnt matter he was selected or not.Pakistan is ruled by fudals,whats new in it?

  20. August 27th, 2006 4:27 am


    Tragic..a stubborn mercurial man..but even Bhutto did not kill the Sardars

    Duh as if Bhutto was a Saint?I really despise he is called as “Shaheed”.We dnt miss chance to use religion for our own intrest *grin*

  21. Fakir says:
    August 27th, 2006 4:50 am

    Amazing. The similarity between the argument being made here and those made by the defenders of the War on Terror are amazing.

    Step one, repeat that some countries (Iraq) or someone (Bugti) is a terrorists. There is always enough circumstantial evidence to make the case. If you repeat that statement enough times and if the media pounds on it enough, good and decent people will start believing it and will start repeating it, even defending it.

    Step two, people will make the connection between the violence around them and the people you are holding responsible for it. So, in New York you hear, “but you see ‘they’ attacked us on 9/11″… and in Karachi you hear “but you see ‘they’ waive black flags”. Both statements are correct but the conclusions reached from them are not.

    Step three, now you can justify a brutal action because you have created the great villain. Whether it is going to war in Iraq or military action in Balochistan. Once you convince people that the ‘villian’ is a ‘terrorist’ and they will be more ‘secure’ if he is gone, then … well, then you can do anything. Just as we heard about Iraq and about Lebanon that “these people will only understand the language of force” as a justification for brutal action, now we hear the exact same arument â€

  22. Naveed says:
    August 27th, 2006 5:02 am

    “Why is this Sad News?” and “Duh As if Bhutto was a Saint?” and finally “I do not think I need to rely any news sources”. Well done, Adnan ;)

  23. jyoti says:
    August 27th, 2006 5:45 am

    Adnan, well done for reminding about Benzir getting her own brother killed. ” neighbour country”? India?:)

  24. August 27th, 2006 6:04 am

    naveed your sarcasm is ignored.Are you mourning too?;)

    Jyoti both India and Afghanistan.Northern Alliance or say Karzai is not good with us either.

  25. August 27th, 2006 6:07 am

    Fakir:your anger might be right but its absurd to compare 9/11 with Balochistan situation.There is no doubt there was a sepration movement running in Balochistan.

  26. jyoti says:
    August 27th, 2006 7:55 am

    Buagti’s grandson was also killed in the raid?
    http://in.rediff.com/news/2006/aug/27baloch.htm

  27. Umera Ali says:
    August 27th, 2006 9:10 am

    I was going to write a reply about the alleged tragedy but Adnan has done an amazing job. As a friend said: one down, few more to go. (She should know she is a Baluch)

  28. Naveed says:
    August 27th, 2006 10:24 am

    Adnan, it is hardly sarcasm. I was reminded of your previous comments that one’s conduct is the best manner by which we convince others. Your comment was about conduct of a good Muslim. I am only reminding you of your own comment that one’s conduct can be used to impress upon other people your point of view. If we see that people start celebrating someones death, an old man like Bugti at that, then I am just thinking what you meant about our conduct as muslims and how our belief does not allow killing of life which equates it with killing of entire humanity

  29. Aziz Akhmad says:
    August 27th, 2006 10:28 am

    There are many in Pakistan who did not like Bugti’s politics. There must be many in Balochistan who did not like his handling of his tribe’s affairs. And I am sure many in the employ of Sui Gas (PPL) did not like the way he extracted his pound of flesh from the Company. But, contrary to some of the comments above, one has not heard anyone accusing him or for that matter any of the major Baloch leaders of running a seperation movement. They have always been talking of greater autonomy and greater share in the provincial resources but not of sepearation.

    The other day while commenting on Owais Mughal’s post on Bolan Pass and the pictures of the railway tunnels I had commented that one could see some light at the end of those tunnels. But that light seems to have dimmed — at least for now.

  30. August 27th, 2006 11:44 am

    Bugti is gone ,he’s a past now so mourning or cheering on this news doesnt make any difference at all.

    The serious issue is tht pakistan’s so called honest politicians doing *poltics of deadbodies* by provoking awam against General.Its bad very bad.where were all of them when akbar bugti was in trouble?did any of them actualy go to site and ask “Sir how are you doing in caves” ?The thing irking me tht 20+ foji jawans were killed too.coudnt general use some lethal weapon to strike him only?:(

  31. Adnan Ahmad says:
    August 27th, 2006 11:52 am

    Someone said it well that death should never be celebrated. I place this blame for this situation on Nawaz Sharif. In the 90s he moved the tribes who were neutrilizing the akbar bugti effectively, from dera to multan to please him thus making nawab stronger than ever before. At a much more macro level this was similar to what aurangzeb did by moving the shias from the south (for sectarian reasons) who were neutilizing the marhatas and giving marhatas an open hand. What happened yesterday was coming for a long time. Those who have lived in the interior of the country know that it is about time that these small armies are gotten rid of. That being said, perception is reality and govt. has an issue to deal with here. Time is an interesting dimension in such situations and we’ll see how people look at this issue a week from today.

    On a personal note, one of nawab’s wives lived in my vicinity in karachi and he used to come visit her and her son from her while we would play cricket on the street. He was a commanding personality. I remember when he was fighting with the tribes later displaced by NS and one of his numerous sons (Talal I think) was murdered in a karachi hospital; being young for me it was amazing to see the way he took the news.

  32. ali raza says:
    August 27th, 2006 1:08 pm

    Adnan, the operation in waziristan is just as justified. A few trouble makers in that area can not be allowed to provide a safe haven to terrorsits and criminals. It is high time that the writ of the government is established throughout the nation’s borders.

    Fakir, the statements are similar because the crimes are similar. You guys should realize that these trouble making sardars control only a small part of the province. There are dozens of other tribes and sardars in the province. It’s just that these ones are sitting on resources and holding the security of those resources hostage. These are the guys who have been using terrorist tactics within the province and outside and stoping development. Their ‘Baloch Ittehad’ had a 2-point agenda: Stop building new army cantonements and stop new development projects.

    A friend of mine said, Today the poor man of Balochistan can start dreaming of better future for his family. I have been waiting for this government to show some resolve for a long time. I hope this trend of dealing with enemies of the state conclusively continues. The other trouble makers and feudals should be sh….ing their shalwars now and seriously reevaluating their politics.

  33. Eidee Man says:
    August 27th, 2006 2:11 pm

    Benazir getting her own brother killed…

    I don’t approve of everything Benazir did or what Murtaza was involved in especially through the 1980s…BUT, it is naive (and for that matter very convenient) to think that she had her own brother killed. A lot of people think it was Zardari acting on his own and I think that is possible but even that seems far-fetched. Anyone who read reliable news coverage Murtaza’s assassination would not come to this conclusion.

    Also, I don’t agree with what Bugti and crew were doing in Baluchistan…but it did seem like the federal government delibrately tried to cast him as a person committing treason or leading a secession.

    To be able to move forward, one thing Pakistan needs much more urgently is UNITY amongst all of the provinces and things like these assassinations are certainly not helping in that regard. What Pakistan needs is a leadership that has as little ethnic baggage as possible.

  34. anjum says:
    August 27th, 2006 2:30 pm

    This is a serious and tragic incident and another one in series of killing being perpetrated by musharaf using army with greyish ulterior motives. Also this seems like another nail in the coffin of pakistan. This clearly was a target killing. It preceded a jirga in dera, demonstrations in islamabad by mundrani people and announcements that people wanted revenge against bugti. Imagine these revenge statements being broadcast from TV. The case was clearly being prepared for something awful we feared was coming. People responsible must be brought to justice. Many army jawans also lost their precious lives for no good cause. Everyone must understand that mentally retarded derainged Mush must be forced to leave as early as possible otherwise he will incur more harm. Somewhere in my heart I wish pakistan is peacefully broken now and balochistan let go because this is not the way to live together. Why should muslims kill other muslims?

  35. anjum says:
    August 27th, 2006 3:30 pm

    Imagine a person who have killed so many thousands of people in his own country using army and targetted killing of ulemas etc., can he think properly. Is he able to distinguish between good and bad anymore? 5, 10, 50 or 100 people died does not mean anything to him now? ARD and MMA have already wasted so much time. Lack of proper leadership who can invite people to streets seems evident. Leadership who is afraid of rulers cannot do anything. A movement msut be started earliest to rid Pakistan of this regime and wrong guys be brought to justice.

  36. Fakir Mastana says:
    August 27th, 2006 3:31 pm

    DEAR ALI RAZA: Can you please tell me what this document is that you refer to the “two point agenda.” I thought I had seen all the relevant documents but had not come across this? From what they have said, this is NOT what they are asking.

    DEAR ALI RAZA AND UMERA: I assume I am much much older than you so I say this very carefully and only with good intentions, Both of you quote your friends who seem to have very similar views about violence and about wanting more killing. These days many people do unfortunately. As friends, I seriously hope that both of you will sit with them and maybe convince them to seek help and psychiatric counselling. With many years experience in the field I can see such talk of glorifying violence as a symptom of possibly deeper problems. Wishing needless death and destruction is sometimes just a phase people pass through, but in others it is a serious disorder and possibly points towards violent tendencies. I hope in the case of your friends it is just a passing phase and how they speak. But, please help them before they crosses the threshold between just thinking of violent solutions as the answer to actually taking those steps: that is where terrorism really comes from.

    Here is a study on one source that the language of violence comes from (media), which is not about Pakistan but is applicable to us. There is also other good research on this subject on this site: http://www.psychologymatters.org/mediaviolence.html

  37. Saif says:
    August 27th, 2006 4:21 pm

    Unlike General Zia, who flogged and hanged his opponents, General Musharraf has been a benign military ruler so far. He did not have blood on his hands. But he has now. Like Macbeth, he will be haunted by Bugti’s ghost.

  38. Nasir Aziz says:
    August 27th, 2006 4:43 pm

    Quote from Aziz Akhmed:

    “While we are discussing Balochistan we may like to keep in mind the difference
    between Baloch and Balochi. Baloch (not Baluch) are the people and Balochi (not Baluchi) is their language.”

    With proper nouns, spellings are of no significance so it doesn’t matter how you spell Baloch/Baluch or whatever.

    Death of Nawab Bugti in this manner is a tragedy, but violence breeds violence. Understandibly Bugti himself was not the intended target but when you wage war, expect the war-like outcomes. Bugti has been using the language of violence and was met with one. Also Nawab Bugti has been a bad news for Baluch people themselves, a discussion and a topic for another day.

    Just to give you a taste of his followers and what they have in mind, I recommend you read this blog and make up your own minds. This is BLA/Bugti mentality in their own words without the need of opinionated views here. Typically I won’t project this site as it is hateful to Pakistan but under the circumstances its worth a read:

    http://governmentofbalochistan.blogspot.com/

    Also I will mention that the author of this blog claims his location to be in the Middle East, further research shows the exact location: Jerusalem (Israeli Occupied).

    Here is another of their alliances: WBJA, World Baloch Jewish Alliance!

    Go and enlighten yourselves….

  39. Mariam says:
    August 27th, 2006 5:04 pm

    when Benazir killed his own brother and other party members like Najeeb?

    Adnan,

    Please don’t twist the facts.

    Najib was killed by Altaf Hussain’s militant wing member aka Khalid Bin Waleed at the time city councilor. I was there when all this happened and even Khaled Bin Waleed use to brag about his bravery that how he accomplished this task.

    Just for the record, no idea about Mutaza Bhutto but seen him cruising Clifton on SUV with couple of armed men.

  40. August 27th, 2006 5:13 pm

    Though I am not fond of Mr. Bugti and sufficient amount has been written above against him. Like every human being, he may have his good points. Dr. Shazia, who was raped earlier by an army officer in Balochistan had this to say before leaving for US to save her life (as reported in NEWSLINE Feb 2006) “My mother prays for Mr. Bugti everyday”.

    And have you ever realized that those of us who say that hold a referendum, Musharraf will be elected with 60% majority have never voted in the elections (district and national). I was a witness to the last referendum where truck loads of people were brought in from interior sind to National Insurance Company Building, Karachi to stamp the referendum paper hours before the election commissioner was supposed to visit for inspection.

    And why is it that we have marginalized the smaller provinces that they don’t believe the centre anymore. We have a crisis in NWFP, Balochistan and dont for a moment assume that MQM has forgotten its Jinnahpur demand. The current crisis in Sind Government is that MQM wants to place its nominees in all important positions so that it has a strong establishment if push comes to shove.

    I hope and pray that Jan 2007 (rigged) elections don’t lead to a civil war and mass unrest.

  41. Aziz Akhmad says:
    August 27th, 2006 5:21 pm

    I concede that Baloch could be spelled as Baluch and possibly even pronounced as such, as was also pointed out by Ali Raza, himself a Baloch. But my main point was not to mix Baloch and Balochi. Baloch are the people and Balochi is the language they speak.

  42. August 27th, 2006 6:25 pm

    Folks, just to update the situation as the first Pakistani newspaper for Monday comes online:

    The News, leads its main story with ” Violent protests erupt across Balochistan”, sub-headline: “Two killed, 24 hurt in Quetta; curfew in Naushki; dozens of vehicles, buildings torched across province to protest Bugti’s killing; rail, road traffic suspended”
    http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=2734

    The editorial reads:
    http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=21655

    The death of Nawab Akbar Bugti during a military operation in the hills near Kohlu late on Saturday is tragic and could well be a defining moment in Pakistan’s chequered history. Viewed by his supporters as a defender of Baloch rights and by his detractors as a Sardar bent on blocking the progress of his people and perpetrating acts of sabotage, Akbar Bugti’s legacy will remain hotly disputed. Whatever the verdict of history, however, the killing is the logical and unfortunate outcome of the recent approach to tackling the whole Balochistan issue and once again underlines the need for a political dialogue and non-military solution to end the crisis in that province. Of course, it is difficult for a government to sit back and watch as its officials, assets and vital installations are attacked, but what happened on Saturday is likely to inflame anti-government sentiment in Balochistan. Unfortunately, Mr Bugti’s death could well be a watershed in the troubled relationship between Balochistan and the Centre. The government hopes that it will mark the beginning of the end of the strife in the troubled province. On the other hand, it may well reinforce the sharp mistrust of Islamabad, Punjab and the military among a section of the Baloch population. The repercussions of his death will cast a long shadow over Baloch-Centre relations for the foreseeable future. The interior minister has said that it all began when government helicopters were fired upon from a cave in the area and that this forced a response from security forces. Another minister said on Sunday that Bugti died when the roof of the cave he was hiding in collapsed under heavy relatiatory fire by security forces. There remain a number of other conflicting reports on the circumstances of his death that only an independent investigation will help clear.

    Many Baloch will see Bugti’s death as nothing more than history repeating itself and they will come to believe that the federal government will never give them the even-handed treatment that they deserve. There will be many Baloch who perhaps were not even born the last time the province had to endure a military operation. Despite that, however, and because the grievances over the years have only exacerbated because successive governments failed to address them, many among the younger generation share the view held by their elders that the Centre refuses to pay the province its due share of royalties for using its mineral wealth and natural gas, and that it (the centre) tends to favour the largest province in funds allocation, employment generation, development projects and socio-economic polices in general. Of course, many will now wonder whether the end would have been as violent and grim if those hiding in the cave were from another province. It is for the government to ensure that this is not so.

  43. Umera Ali says:
    August 27th, 2006 7:34 pm

    Last time I checked executing a murderer wasn’t a crime and didn’t put blood on your hand. However, I Support Owais Mughal’s suggestion that it would have been better if he had been prosecuted and then executed. it would certainly have stopped this undue and misplaced sympathy for Bugti’s death. Bugti’s cry for independent Baluchistan was not for the people of Baluchistan but was based on American design which want to change the boundaries of the Middle East for better governance. If anyone wants more details read the article Blood Boarder published in Armed Forces Journal: http://www.armedforcesjournal.com/2006/06/1833899 . Bugti was not only not loyal to Pakistan but also not loyal to Baluchs.

    Secondly, exactly what are people so upset about – the death of a tyrant pharoah or the manner of his death. If it is manner of his death then yes it wasn’t ideal but the situation of death is never convenient and in any case, it is predetermined so why all the hue and cry?

    I hope the people of Pakistan for once will have the intelligence and foresight to see the game of exploitation that all the leaders play with them. The so called politicians are not mourning death of Bugti, they are just worried about their own fate because now there is a possibility that if they continue to support anarchy in the country and commit treason they will be executed.

    Nonetheless, my thoughts do go out towards Bugti’s family because it is never easy to loose a family member, may Allah give them patience to bear their loss.

  44. Eidee Man says:
    August 27th, 2006 8:42 pm

    “Last time I checked executing a murderer wasn’t a crime and didn’t put blood on your hand. ”

    Actually, murdering without a trial IS most definitely a crime. What your describing is mob/gang justice.

  45. Umera Ali says:
    August 27th, 2006 9:35 pm

    I agree that to kill without trial in normal circumstance is gang justice.

    BUT wasn’t he killed in an arm combat, which lasted for 3 days and where 20 soldiers and 30 tribesmen from tribal army lost their lives? I hope you are not suggesting that in middle of the combat they should have stopped to give a fair trail and protection of rule of law, which he didn’t incidentally accept?

    I am not trying to make a mockery of his death or the way he died, yes it was not idealistic. However, it was an arm combat and unfortunately he lost his life in combat.

  46. Dhar says:
    August 27th, 2006 10:22 pm

    What double standards majority of you Pakis have. You conveniently call kashmiri terrorists as freedom fighters and balauch nationalists as terrorists.
    Kashmiri Pandit

  47. ali raza says:
    August 27th, 2006 10:33 pm

    Fakir Mastana, I am amused by your condescendance. I am on the wrong side of thirty and have an MBA. I lived the first 20 of my life in Pakistan. I have family all over Pakistan in public and private sectors. The views I hold are not just gleaned from friends, who mind you are all older and many better educated than me, but also from my elders, many of whom have worked for Pakistan from before 1947 through the various termoils that my poor country has been put through.

    But age or education obviously did not put a dent in bugti’s rigid thought or lack thereof. All the atchisons and oxfords can not educate someone bent upon being a jahil. I have actually seen and heard mr. bugti twice in baloch sangats with my dad in Lahore with a number of other baloch leaders. Even at a young age, I was disgusted by the attitudes and politics of these so called leaders of the baloch. Maybe, I was born enlightened. Thank God.

    Fakir Sahib, I will look up references to this Baloch ittehad manifesto and list them later. But I have heard all this talk from these guys even 15 years ago while they were elected politicos.

    If nothing else, these characters are responsible for attempted assasination of the president while he visited Kohlu not long ago.

  48. Aziz Akhmad says:
    August 27th, 2006 11:23 pm

    We may grieve or gloat over Bugti’s death depending on our respective standpoints, the fact is that the manner of his death will cast a long shadow over Balochistan’s politics.

    Daily Times, Lahore, which is normally supportive of many of Musharraf government’s policies, commented on Bugti’s death in its editorial today thus:

    “A pall of gloom has descended over Pakistan that will not lift in a hurry. This is the biggest blunder committed by the military since the execution of Zulfikar Ali Bhutto.”

  49. August 28th, 2006 12:49 am

    @Fakir Mastana:You havn’t faced the heat on ground thatswhy you are keep comparing this situation with so called “war on terror”.

    @Mariam:I am not twisting the facts.You got any documentary proof?i will neither accept nor deny your statment that Khaid killed Najeeb.It was all common that Najeeb had differences with Benazir for a long time.Murtaza was surely killed by his own people.Zardari was not a stranger anyway.Everything is possible in politics and love.

    @Umaira:Are you so naive about our corrupt judicial system??The system which gives facility to Asif zardari in jail which a middle man can just dream about.The operation was right ,regardless the general did for his inner satisfaction or what.

    Intresting facts,got from Karachi metroblog:

    Indian Express
    - Balochistan in flames after Pak Army kills top leader

    NDTV.com
    - Bugti: The tiger of Balochistan

    Zee News
    - Bugti: A tribal chief who challenged Pak Army’s might

    Do I need to say more?Ms.Jyoti,why is like that hmm??What message is being sent to us Pakistanis?Then it’s said that Pakistan and India should opt the path of friendship *sigh*

  50. Hassan Abbas says:
    August 28th, 2006 2:33 am

    Daily Times in its editorial today titled” Bugti’s killing is the biggest blunder since Bhutto’s execution” aptly says:

    “Whoever in the national security establishment decided to eliminate Nawab Bugti physically is clueless about the force of politics, history and nationalism. Clearly, this was a politically inopportune moment for it. Most of what the opposition will say about the killing of Mr Bugti is going to gibe with what leading PMLQ politicians have felt: that the deadlock in Balochistan should not be resolved through military action. The ruling party is already bedevilled with rifts that President Pervez Musharraf is hard put to control. With the barrage of violent statements that are bound to come from the opposition these rifts are going to be more difficult to paper over. Nawab Bugti, already 80 plus, wanted a heroic death for many personal, provincial and extra-provincial reasons. Whoever took military action against him has granted him his wish to be a martyr. This is a political nightmare that the PMLQ will find hard to handle here and now and Pakistan in the hereafter.”

  51. jyoti says:
    August 28th, 2006 4:06 am

    Adnan ji, we in india don’t really know much about late Mr. bugti. The indian media is repeating only what we get from foreign news agencies like Ap and Reuters. in fact, even though i have been following this blog closely about this whole issue, i’m unable to make my mind about whethere Mr. bugti was a good guy or a bad one. All i know is , that me and my other firends, who are quite interested in world news, are worried that this incident should NOT escalet in a home war for pakistan. whether you belive it or not, we don’t want any unstability in pakistan as it happens to be a neighboring country and any harm to its stability will definitely have impacts on our nation. As far as governments are concerned, they do interfere with other country’s affairs by secret actions. whetehr india or pakistan. but that is politics, happens at the micro level of politics as well.. how can commonors do anything about it..

  52. jyoti says:
    August 28th, 2006 4:15 am

    Adnan ji, Ahmed Rashid calls bugti a “Martyr” in bbc news…

    @Adnan ji.

    “Rebel killing raises stakes in Pakistan ” http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/5290966.stm

    Reuters’ news in cNN, calls bugti a “veteran leader”
    http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/08/28/pakistan.riots.reut/index.html

  53. Jacob says:
    August 28th, 2006 4:24 am

    It’s sad. This was a political assasination. I fear this coudl cause the creation of another Bangladesh, This is the lowest point of Mush’s low career. I’m interested to know his “freedom fighter – terrorist” speech again. How is the Nawab different from Kashmir.

    @Jyoti – What is happening in Baloch has a direct impact on India. By his actions yesterday Mush has dented all credibility (if any) to the “Kashmir cause”.

  54. Naveed says:
    August 28th, 2006 5:26 am

    Jacob, as far as creation of Bangladesh is concerned, people in general accept that it was a fault of our own making. The debate within pakistan then goes back and forth between the blame shifting between politicians and the army.

    That our neighbouring country played a critical role cannot be underestimated.

    In a uni-polar world, vested interests by our neighbours would not achieve the objective of fermenting trouble in Baluchistan to the extent that nationalist aspirations can be realized.

    I disagree with the method and manner in which Mr. Bugti was handled but agree that writ of the state has to be established. It would have been an ideal scenario if the political agreement reach with Mr. Bugti had seen the light of day since there was concurrence on 90% of the issues. That the agreement could not be materialized is the failure of the ruling party since it played a role in serving as a go-between.

    In my personal opinion, Mr. Bugti’s fate was sealed when Musharaf’s helicopter was targetted a few months ago. If the tribal chiefs thought that they were sending a message to the President, they were right. Message was received loud and clear and appropriate action taken

  55. August 28th, 2006 5:42 am

    Ms.Jyoti:

    We people also dont know much about dawood ebrahim or molana masood azhar,still they are associated with us all the time.

    In short,i wnated to say that neither India nor Pakistan is run by bunch of saints.Govts iin both countries keep interfering in each other business.You cant delcare RAW naive when there documentary evidence were found and handled to Indian govt that most of *panga* was being controlled by *an embassy* in afghanistan.What I would second ,that musharraf’s a week old statment that forces of both countries should stop using agencies against each other.

    @Jacob:Another Bangladesh could be created if such actions are not taken place.

    BTW,did anyone read this .Do look the map.

  56. August 28th, 2006 5:43 am

    Jyoti:Why same media dont follow western news when mumbai blast were taken place?and by the way which western media declared bugti a hero or tiger?

  57. pakpics says:
    August 28th, 2006 7:04 am

    I dont know much abour nawab Akbar bughti, but i think that the conflict between Govt. & Bughti could be solved by dialogues. But now time has passed.

  58. Umera says:
    August 28th, 2006 11:26 am

    Adnan, I am actually not naive about our judicial system at all. I am a lawyer who use to practice, until few months ago, in karachi. Our judicial system is not perfect, however, if the death was awarded by the Court it would have taken away this unnecessary show of symathy and grief of his death. The question whether court would have ever had the courage to sentence him to death and further, ensure execution of such sentence is moot and I am sure your cynicism is better placed than my idealism.

  59. Pervaiz M. Alvi says:
    August 28th, 2006 12:53 pm

    PAKISTAN MUST DO AWAY WITH ALL THESE SO CALLED NAWABS, SARDARS, MALIKS, KHANS, MIRS, MAKHDOOMS, WADARAS AND FREE THE PEOPLE. AS FOR INDIA GOES, IT IS AN ENEMY COUNTRY AND ENEMY DOES WHAT ENEMY DOES. OFCOURSE DEATH OF AKBAR BUGTI IS A LOSS TO INDIA. HE WAS DOING HER BIDDING. INDIA AND HER ALLIES MUST BE SENT THE MESSAGE.

  60. Saif says:
    August 28th, 2006 1:23 pm

    Umera,
    I am surprised, you say you are a lawyer and yet you have convicted Bugti without a trial. How do you assume that the court would have found him guilty and sentence him to death?

  61. Anjum says:
    August 28th, 2006 1:50 pm

    What is the problemn with Nawabs.If somebody lives in city and has come from outside to live in this country,it does not mean that he should start criticing sardars,nawabs,chaudri,wadera, maliks etc. Remember this is something that is present in each province in one form or anotehr and can never be finished by killing indiscriminately. Why should we attack baloch culture which is different from karachi or other cities. Is this necessary that people should continue to attack their culture. Solution is to give them back what is theirs, and promote education. People are so poor in balochistan. In cities like khuzdar, sibi, kharan, pasni there is no sardari system, how many people are educated. How many industries do we have in those cities. We must accept evryone in balochistan has extreme negative sentiment against pakistan because of deprivation. Even punjabis living in quetta say the same. When they have mineral wealth, why not give them its control. Did Nawaz sharif not take control of salt range by giving it on lease to punjab for 99 years, did he not block wheat going to other provinces whenever he wanted?

  62. Arsalan Ali says:
    August 28th, 2006 2:38 pm

    There is no greatness in killing an old man, who would have passed away on his own in a few years time. Its simply barbaric.

  63. SAK says:
    August 28th, 2006 5:37 pm

    I was just reading the comments on the cricket controversy post and Mr. Adnan had posted this verse there:

    dushman marray tey khushi na karee-aye,
    sajnaaN we marr jaana aye

    Maybe we should also apply it here.

  64. Eidee Man says:
    August 28th, 2006 3:43 pm

    @jyoti

    “in fact, even though i have been following this blog closely about this whole issue, i’m unable to make my mind about whethere Mr. bugti was a good guy or a bad one”

    With all due respect, it is not your place to “make up your mind” about whether Bugti was “good” or not; this is reality and not Bollywood where there is always a clear villian and a clear hero. Whatever he did, that still does not justify the way the government tried to liquidate him.

    Ahmed Rashid is a reasonable man and a disinterested journalist, so I don’t think he would call Bugti HIS martyr. But HIS is the key word here, whatever his position was amongst the Baluch tribes, the government has turned him into a martyr for his own people, an action which I fear will cause more divisiveness within our otherwise great country.

    Also, I think we need to be cautious and resist generalizing groups of people as “the baloch.” They, like any other ethnic group, do not all think the same. In fact, most Baloch people I know do not like Bugti and they keep reminding me that Bugti, etc are popular within their own tribes and the majority just watches the “tamasha” our politicians create.

    However, I think ALL educated people would agree that whatever his popularity may be, his execution was against fundamentally not right.

  65. August 28th, 2006 4:08 pm

    Anjum

    Appreciate your comments; especially coming from someone who seem familiar with Baluch politics.

    I agree that control of minerals and natural resources should go to the provinces. The control or royalty money should however, go to the provincial government and not the sardars or nawabs. All the news suggest that for decades gas royalty money was going to the sardars; and in the amounts of crores of rupees a year, and what did these feudals do with that money? Is there any accountabuility? We should ask whether they established any colleges, universities, hospitals in their area from that money? Federal Govt was essentially sidelined in these areas except for taking the blame for the poverty of people.

    I agree that there is a sense of deprivation in Baluchistan but that sense is all over Pakistan and not just limited to Baluchistan.

    In the end I want to reitirate the wish that Bugti should’ve been tried in courts and then punished, if found guilty.

  66. Sohaib says:
    August 28th, 2006 4:57 pm

    The referred article on the Armed Forces Journal, titled Blood Brothers, about remodelling the Middle East based on ethnic/sectarian lines is actually a very, very interesting read. While most of you will dismiss it as nonsensical, imagine a world like that. Either it will work like clockwork, or will descend into chaos and fighting and rivalries soon after, considering how people just pick new issues to fight over after settling old ones.

    As for Bugti’s killings, hmm, well now here’s a tribe of merry men who will never, ever be faithful to the great republic of Pakistan and its representative government again :p At this moment, though, we should all watch the classic STN play “Dasht”. Probably tells you more about Baloch realities than most newspaper articles ever will. And that too in an entertaining way, and with rubab songs!

  67. Suleman says:
    August 28th, 2006 4:58 pm

    Quite an interesting discussion piece with vast points of view.
    I must clarify as some have already pointing out that we need to be clear when comment if we are criticizing the approach and method of the act of killing or whether we support or oppose Bugti and his actions.
    I think most would agree, Bugti was a feudal lord, and a very evil one indeed. He had his own militia and jails, and was a state within a state. All his qualifications are of no value with his approach to leadership. He was a brutal murderer; he has made no effort to help his people in terms of education. He was arms dealer and intimidated others with his militia and khounda bazi. Before his death several attempts were made to reach a compromise with him to be abide with the government and state. Last I heard, Mushahid Hussein and others had been sent to talk with to at least disarm his militia and close his jails. He did not agree. Most auto thefts occurring in Karachi ended up in his estate etc. And without going into great details he was a zalim leader, who has amputated army folks, police or anyone inquiry or pursuing law and order in the region.

    BTW, a zalim in Islam is never to be supported any person who commits zulm should be punished and never be supported.

    Now with such a track record, although I too have been skeptical about the approach by the government in killing him, but now that he is dead I think it is best thing for Pakistan.

    Please keep in mind I speak as a Pakistani for the greater good of Pakistan. This act although controversial sets a great precedent for all feudal lords that have manipulated there people and abused them on the basis of power. That as a feudal lord you are not above the law and the last thing you can get away with is having your own militia and jails cells and capture or intimidate whomever you wish. We are living in the 21st century and as it is Pakistan is a front line state with a lot of global pressure already convinced to be a extremist state, which is not the case, but until the existence of such leaders we had no hope, now with such a bold act on the part of the government we send a message, that no one is above the law.

    Chairman Mao did it in China to eradicate feudalism, and look at China where it is today. USA had their civil war, in which over 700,000 men died for the sake of confirming to the federation, and if we have to we need to let all these bastards know that you can’t be part of Pakistan and run your own territorial badmashis, where there are no checks and balances.

    Already the government is showing and committing to the betterment of Balauchistan for better economy and prosperity, by disarming and relocating Baluchis. Indeed this was a bold step, and like others, I too always criticize Musharraf and the government, but for once I support their action and may I add support that such an act could only have been handled by a military government not a civil one, that is not to say I’m not in favor for a civilian government to return.

    Moreover, please keep in mind from a capitalist stand point, we as a our country are nto investing millions in Gwader port only to have this criminal control the land and exploit the people from building a pipeline to central Asia. In deed one can argue their our others parties involved with vested interested outside of Pakistan, but at the end of the day such a port and trade will help Pakistan and alleviate some poverty especially in our largest province of Baluchistan. It is high time we clean up our own land, before we point fingers at others.

    By finally having control over Baluchistan and not the bugtis etc, we now can work towards more accountability even on the terror front of O.B.L. not going back and forth within this region. Had we not taken such an action you know this region would have been a bombed field from outside forces in a couple of years, is that what we wished to wait for. Enough is enough and hopefully this sends a message to the rest to get up and fix your acts or you can face similar ends. And Please don’t compare this to Z.A.K. who was a man of the people , Bugti certainly thrived on h is power of land and arms, not a democractic leader, he had been in power so long that baluchis in the area would think that is only way for prosperity under his security while the government will show them now and is so that their security need not stem from guns and militias, but healthier economy and law and order.

    I say they get Megal and Mari and his grandsons two if they haven’t already and please keep in mind the government is all for surrender if these guys disarm they are letting most of the local folks go on their way and providing them housing etc.

    This is definitely a controversial act, but an act which required balls, (excuse my language), and Mush has done it, and this should be a message to all. If you wish to criticize do so, but only if you have a better policy or solution not only for the sake of criticizing where one day Western media is making a case to act us too only because they feel we all are a bunch of extremists, then I’d see how much of you would be appealing to the Bugtis and like to save Pakistan.

  68. Umera says:
    August 28th, 2006 5:15 pm

    Saif,
    I am a lawyer and not a judge. The rules of the game are very different for both.

  69. August 28th, 2006 5:22 pm

    I am reading this website first time today, because I am worried about the consequences of Nawab Bugti’s death.

    first, I would like to comment on the moderated tone of the discussion, quite unlike many other political blogs. Congratulations!

    In substance, I think that the USA push General Musharraf to take control of any areas where al-Qaida members could possibly hide. Unhappily, — I think, — these areas are areas which live in a delicate balance between tradition and modernity, “tribal” rule and government control.

    The British learned after a lot of bloodshed that these areas are best left alone, as some people simply don’t like to be ruled, don’t want to be part of an empire, kingdom, or republic. Since the time of Alexander the Great, no ruler ever really ruled Afghanistan, NWFP or Balochistan, — as far as I know. The Soviet Union and the USA got their noses bloodied in Afghanistan too.

    Maybe I am wrong, but isn’t the fundamental issue, that these “tribals” agree to be part of Pakistan but not much more. Why should they not be left alone? The USA might not like that people who fight for democracy in Saudi Arabia can hide in NWFP, but what is good for Pakistan? Several small civil wars, or autonomy in internal administration for the provinces?

    Switzerland is a small country made up of small states, but as small as they are, none of them wants to be ruled the same way as another one. No German or Austrian ruler ever succeeded to teach them otherwise. Now Switzerland has 25 constitutions, four languages, different laws in each state, different taxes… AND PEACE!

  70. August 28th, 2006 5:26 pm

    I have been reading statments of those looney politicians that Pakistan is in danger and things will go worst blah blah.I ask why?What happened today that it didnt happen before?Bhutto was executed,Zia was killed so murtaza bhutto and others.What happened?nothing.Was tht Bugti more popular and prominent than Bhutto and Zia.?

    We are nation who posses short memory.It will hardly take a month and everyone will get busy in his business.So chil! Nothing bad is gonna happen Inshallah.I see all politicians who actually singing praises of Bugti would be very happy to see his end but they might be afraid that General could blow anyone up if they stopped obeying him.

    @Umera Sahiba:I didn’t mean ot offend your professional but we all know that jail is a heaven on earth for these politicians.Same jail become hell for laymen and for people like Faiz Ahmed Faiz.Now not every Pakistani could pen like Fiaz and comeup with masterpiece like “Lazim hey k hum bhe dekhain gay”.

    BTW,is it possible that I could be provided same facilies which was enjoyed by Mr.100%.I am tired of giving utility bills and for other expenses.I need some rest.Can you do something for me?

  71. August 28th, 2006 5:45 pm

    SAK
    couldn’t agree more with the verse you have quoted. thx
    Owais

  72. Adnan Ahmad says:
    August 28th, 2006 7:24 pm

    The verse posted by Adil Najam. I just gave my “daad.”

  73. Mariam says:
    August 28th, 2006 8:01 pm

    Nawab Akbar Bugti – known to many as the Tiger of Balochistan ….. the BBC’s Steve Jackson writes. See here

  74. August 28th, 2006 9:28 pm

    Recently two great men passed away in a heroic way.

    The first Waseem Raja died playing cricket on a green field in England. The second, Sardar Akbar Khan Bugti died fighting for a worthy cause he believed in, i.e. a Balochistan insurgency with his grandsons in Dera Bugti.

    Both men were personal heroes and had great beards. May Allah forgive their sins and shame the shameless.

  75. AR Rafiq says:
    August 28th, 2006 9:37 pm

    This is complete mishandling of the situation. Clearly the Army is not cut out for running the country. This assisnation on the Bugti’s is a grave mistake, putting the national integrity at risk.

  76. Anjum says:
    August 28th, 2006 9:53 pm

    We continue to ask if bugti was good or bad. Why do we have this problem. Who is anyone to ask this. Point is that an almost paralysed person 80 years old has been made to run in mountains from here to there just because of mush’s abnormal behaviour and finally killed by army commandos. Is a person who is president by force must be respected be he is a killer. Why every where there is problem since this mans rule. Bugti’s killing is shameful. Mush also has an old mother but he did not care.

  77. jyoti says:
    August 29th, 2006 2:30 am

    i had read a poem long back, maybe after emergency was lifted in india. it was a translated piece in Hindi, written by some forign author, don’t know who. i have very faint memory of the whole poem but i remember the last line which is very apt for the current situation in pakistan. The poet laments that when authorities came to illegally arrest people from different sections of society, he keeps quite as he doesn’t belong to that particular section. So, in the end when he is taken away by the authorities no one speaks for him beacuse he didn’t stood by anyone earlier.
    if someone is killed in the manner bugati was killed, what’s the guarantee that others will not be killed in the same manner? Maybe a political tyrant today, maybe a staunch supporter of democracy tomorrow?

  78. August 29th, 2006 3:01 am

    Jyoti

    What you are referring to is the very famous poem by Pastor Martin Niemöller written in the context of the atrocities in the Weimar Republic… it goes like this:

    First they came for the Jews
    and I did not speak out
    because I was not a Jew.
    Then they came for the Communists
    and I did not speak out
    because I was not a Communist.
    Then they came for the trade unionists
    and I did not speak out
    because I was not a trade unionist.
    Then they came for me
    and there was no one left
    to speak out for me.

    Whatever it may or may not mean in this instance, I have always felt that we should all remember these words and apply them to whatever our context is, and whatever the context of the injustices we see around us… these words are probably as pertinent today given the shape of world events as they ever were….

  79. jyoti says:
    August 29th, 2006 3:42 am

    Adil
    Yes, the very same!! felt about writing it in here because we cannot trust politicians to have absolute power. Killing political opponents doesn’t bode well for the people.

  80. August 29th, 2006 4:51 am

    An intresting article in Ummat.I am not an Ummat reader,infact i dislike but article is an intresting read.

  81. Phil says:
    August 29th, 2006 5:08 am

    It is sad that he had to die this way. But Adnan Siddiqi is very right, and does not need to defend himself. I support him saying that Mr. Bugti was a facsist terrorist all this long and we were hiding away from the troubles all this long! Just a few days ago I did a small piece on the BLA phenomenon. Read here

  82. nurved says:
    August 29th, 2006 9:17 am

    The death of Nawab Akbar Bugti is a sad and trageic end to a populus leader. The way this goverment is hadeling siutations such as wana and balouchistan is beyond any logic. They are talking with India on every issue but not ready to talk with own countrymen. The goverment version that the cave collapsed as a result of resonance prodcuded does not seem very convencing, if goverment havent found his dead body then how are they confirming his death by just saying that the survived tribes men pointed towards it. There have also been reposts of using chemical weapons against rebels, still which are unconfirmed.
    Bugti was a feudal lord who commanded his tribe of more then 250,000 with a iron fist. Very few of the bugtis out side his close family circle are educated even to the primary level. Almost all of the tribesmen are now batteling the goverment. Bugti was no saint, and every one knows that. But again he was a politician blackmailing the goverment. The way this whole issue has been handled will jut lead to more blood shed and disturbance across Pakistan. As far as I remember I have never read or heard that he was against Pakistan he always talked about more provensial autonomy, control over goverment language was a major issue in the past.
    No matter how wrong and big of a tyrant he was, by killing him like that he had been made a hero of sepratist movement and the BLA will use his death to there own advantage. He should have been captured or best solution, goverment shoul have waited for few months Bugti was already suffering from a cancer in terminal stages and would have been dead. Instead they killed him and made a hero out of him. What ever one say call him stuborn, arrogant or Proud or Tyrant but he secured his place in the history as the man who raised his voice against a dictator which now is useless to deabte if he deserved it or not, he was a brave man and hence title “Tiger of Balouchistan” does suits him.

  83. jyoti says:
    August 29th, 2006 9:34 am

    Where is the body of Bugti? “Mystery over Bugti’s body deepens”- report in Dawn. Karachi.
    http://www.dawn.com/2006/08/29/top1.htm

  84. nurved says:
    August 29th, 2006 10:00 am

    Jyoti
    Yes the govermet says that they havent recoverd it yet, some are saying that his body is litterd with bullets, I am sure many versions will be heard till his body is recoverd.
    One thing more what about the bodies of his 2grandsons?

  85. Aziz Akhmad says:
    August 29th, 2006 11:55 am

    While every newspaper in Pakistan has commented editorially on Bugti’s manner of death, Dawn, Karachi, uncharacteristically, concluded its editorial by quoting Munir Niazi’s memorable lines in Punjabi:

    “kuj shehr de laug vi zaalim san — kuj sahnooN maran da shauq vi si”
    (People of this city were heartless — But I , too, wanted to die)

    Incidentally, these lines and the poet were being discussed on this blog some days ago in a different context.

  86. Onlloker says:
    August 29th, 2006 11:56 am

    Just because someone has a different viewpoint to one’s own one doesn’t mean one has to kill him. That is perhaps one of the many definitions of the word being ‘civilized’.

    Negotiations were going on between Akbar Bugti and Ch. Shujaat Hussain (accompanied by Mushahid Hussain). These two PML(Q) leaders forwarded the finalised agreement to Musharraf.

    Did Musharraf listen to his handpicked politicians?

    No, he opted to listen to his DG of Military Intelligence and the idiot Chairman of PPL who proclaimed himself to be an expert on the Bugtis by reason of PPL’s presence in Sui. For those not in the know, the DG of ISI opposed these views on grounds of the political realities in Balochistan. But Musharraf decided to ignore the ISI on this occasion and opted to go for the bullet.

    Everyone may say what they like about Akbar Bugti – the fact remains he voted for Pakistan in 1947, he was a governor and chief minister of Balochistan. (And I don’t care what someone’s Dad in PPL once said, it is irrelavent) .The fact that a gung-ho mental pygmy opted to eliminate Bugti speaks loudly for the mess that Pakistan is in.

    Anyone who disagrees with Musharraf these days (so a retired Lt-General and a recent former close associate of his told me this week) is regarded as a traitor to Pakistan as far our General-in-Power is concerned.

    Just to put all these commentors in the true picture, just imagine if Musharraf participated in this discussion and someone happened to disagree with his views, what would your future be?

    I would say your phones would be tapped, then perhaps you might get picked up by the agencies and become one of the ‘disappeared’. In an extreme case you might have to take a bullet like Akbar Bugti.

    It’s time to get real and not just verbally fart in the wind….

  87. zafar says:
    August 30th, 2006 2:25 pm

    if anyone thinks that this action has ‘solved’ the problem of feudalism orof the sardari system or of the concerns of smaller provinces. then dream on. it will unleash far more than it has solved.

  88. August 29th, 2006 2:08 pm


    If we see that people start celebrating someones death, an old man like Bugt…

    Naveed your comment was overlooked.First I never claimed I am some good muslim.Did I?I might be infinite time worst than any muslim on earth.If i refute your baseless statment like secularism approach of Jinnah then it doesnt mean i am pretendnig to be a good muslim.This forum is not to discuss my personality.

    Since you have brought Islam in middle then you would have more knowledge than me that Islam also gave laws to punish a person?or *muslims* SHOULDNT be punished because they are muslims?

    State within a state-Not appreciated anyway.Read Time’s article .Its an intresting to read his aim;remove musharraf thatswhy he did fire rockets when the president was at kohlo.That *old* man was out of control.There was no alternate way to handle such elements.was it?if yes then what was that?

    @Onlloker: Bugti might be shaheed for few like Zulfiqar Bhutto but for masses he *is* a traitor and he has proved it himsef by establishing his own army and state.

  89. NL says:
    August 29th, 2006 2:11 pm

    he was not a “person with a different view point” he was a bloody murderer…all of them are ghundas. whether its the bugtis or the bhuttos..or the several others who last names make us pakistanis skip a beatt in fear……whoever said it was right “one down a few more to go”…No one is celebrating or cheering his death…us pakistani’s who have endured this ghunda gardi for years are taking a sigh of relief…like “jaan chootii”..yes he may have helped out the Dr. Shazia who was unfortunately raped..and her mother must pray for him daily..but u don’t help one and kill three just because “u r of a diffeent opinion” from the ones u r killing in cold blood.
    Agar aap ke gunahoo ka palra bhari hoga to ap ki maut/katal par log sukh ka sans hi lain ge

  90. Saifulmaluk says:
    August 29th, 2006 4:31 pm

    Sometime I drop my kid to school. When I see kids arguing with each other and find one getting particularly nasty and unreasonable my immediate instinct is to spank him real hard. But I restrain myself for three reasons. One, it seems inelegant to spank a kid in public; two, this may not really help the kid improve his future behavior, and, three, he or his guardian might retaliate. Therefore I try to stop the aggressive kid by being as reasonable and polite as I possibly can.

    Now to Mr. Adnan Siddiqi and Mr. NL, if you ever have time to look up Pakistani newspapers of 1970 you will find exactly the same vocabulary used for Sheikh Mujeebur Rehman by people in Punjab and Karachi that you are using today for Bugti.

    You may dislike Bugti for so many different reasons, but let us not lose sight of some of the facts:

    * Bugti was not a secessionist.
    * He was not a mad mulla or a terrorist (in fact, all Baloch nationalist leaders were anti-mulla and anti-Taliban)
    * He had entered into an agreement with the current government last year to cease hostilities. The government neither implemented the agreement nor disclosed the reasons fro not implementing it
    * He always demanded greater autonomy for the province and greater share in the resources of the province.

  91. August 29th, 2006 5:30 pm

    I have been reading all your comments and wondering what to accept and what not. But if the late bugti was thriving for balochistan rights then why are bombs rocking in Hub isnt hub a part of balochistan and these bombs today killed 3 people arent those people from balochistan who is capable of doing this the state of pakistan or its the BLA reaction kill your own people. Lahore too had an explosion I wouldnt be surprised if BLA was involved another reaction but if these people are working for more autonomy they would never kill their own people and in case if anybody has heard the press conference by ISPR: Rs 100 million and $96,000 were found in the rubble doesnt this raise an eyebrow at all this province is the most deprived lacks basic amenities then where in the WORLD did so much money come from all. Where balochis were not getting basic facilities he managed to have this much amount of money. All I can say that the late nawab was running his personal agenda and was heavily financed through foreign powers and/or the royalties I would have hoped that the army would have caught him alive and tried him under the laws.

  92. Adam Khan says:
    August 29th, 2006 8:32 pm

    Two questions, Mr. Bhaila.

    1.If the security people could confirm the death of Bugti and also find money bags full of dollars in the caves why can’t they find Bugti’s body?

    2. If Bugti was solely responsible for all the mayhem in Balochistan then who is responsible now that he is dead?

    You might find answers to these questions if you read the country’s newspapers instead of just listening to or reading ISPR’s statements.

  93. K Bhatti says:
    August 29th, 2006 9:58 pm

    Many political quarters are against Musharraf for various reasons. Some of us are also against Musharraf but he is the only President to have the balls to take the action against the wrong. Pak’s west is wild and no one has tried to win it.

    All violent acts against the State should be dealt with. All these politicians who are talking now, did not pursuade Bugti to not interrupt govt violantly. Bugti is responsible for blowing up infra-structure and killing his own Army men.

    I think many such figures needs to be rounded up and dealt with. It is better if they are captured and tried.

    Our LEHAZ DARI (sentiments) are mostly baseless!

  94. August 29th, 2006 10:07 pm

    Dear Mr. Khan

    Your first question I cant completly answer since I am not in anyway associated with ISPR. ISPR statements are printed in newspapers and are online I dont expect newspapers to print their own stories Stories have to come from some source in this case ISPR. Thuraya phones were also found Dont tell me thats wrong too. As you might have read from the newspapers there is still a lot of speculation around regarding the body. Some claim that the body is in isb some claim its still there underneath the rubble. About money everyone knows that you cant buy ammunition without money you cant pay militants without money money has to be there even if the amount is not the same as ISPR has stated You dont expect a sardar to live in a cave without money or ammunition Do you?

    I never said Bugti was solely responsible. Do you think its all over ofcourse there is going to be a reaction BLA is just not Bugti it also has members from other renegade tribes they will react and this is the path they have chosen. Do you think its the govt that blows up pipelines fires rocket

    As far as reading newspapers is concerned I read most of them. Hope this answers your questions.

    Thanks

  95. ali raza says:
    August 29th, 2006 10:14 pm

    Corpse Vouyers, the body will be found soon. Then you guys can start discussing some other angle of this operation.
    Adam, let me answer for Bhaila. Acoording to marri, the cave is 120 feet long with rooms on the sides. Maybe he hasn’t been found because he was hiding in the back of the cave while mindless tribals tried to protect him. Secondly, He is only one head of the monster that besieges Pakistan. He has friends and family and they will be dealt with soon insha’allah.

    Saifulmaluk, what the papers said about mujib was true. He was a separatist and resorted to terrorist methods against the government. And all of this, years before he won the national elections. Had East Bengal been contiguous to the rest of Pakistan, it would never have been able to separate. The setup was un-natural and it is sad that many Pakistanis lost lives defending that federation. But I do think we are better off without the Bengalis. The situation today is different. Don’t worry, all these disturbances will be over within a month.

  96. Adam Khan says:
    August 29th, 2006 11:07 pm

    Mr. Bhaila,

    My question was simply that if Bugti’s body has still not been found then how could someone confirm that Bugti perished in the encounter. Mr. Ali Raza has also volunteered to speak on your behalf and has quoted the dimensions of the cave but question that is still begging an answer is: If one has not seen the body, how can one confirm the person is dead?

  97. August 29th, 2006 11:45 pm

    Well Mr. Khan that is a good point I am afraid I dont have an answer almost everyone believes that Bugti didnt survive, Only time will tell.

  98. August 30th, 2006 12:54 am

    Saif:Its an absurd comparison of Bugti and Mujeeb.

    You may dislike Bugti for so many different reasons, but let us not lose sight of some of
    the facts:

    facts?you are intentially twisting things?Blaming mullahs by covering a pathetic fudal?tsk tsk.Fact is he did make life hell of ppl in his trible and around.He banned education on tribe kids(is it not more pathetic than taliban who bannned women education for a genuine reason)?

    Unlike you,I didnt need to rely on papers since my relative spent a good time in tht area as an employee of Sui company so he used to tell me ground realities of that area.No matter how many words are *wasted* for his praise.He will not be remembered in good words.I dont know where are you from but we Karachiites has paid a big price by his army and BLA.The political and diplomatic statments doesnt change the facts.

  99. Adam Khan says:
    August 30th, 2006 1:18 am

    Mr. Bhaila, thank you for accepting my point. I am glad and impressed to see that you have not acted as an ” unreasonable and a nasty kid” described in an example by Saifulmaluk in an earlier comment.

  100. Haris Ahmed says:
    August 30th, 2006 1:25 am

    Assalam-O-Alaykum,

    My dear Pakistanis, Islamically or ethically this is not the way to correct things. Akbar Bugti, Waziristan, MQM, Bhutto, labenan, palestine, kashmir etc these are only the figures but the theme is same, ruling party is using powers against their oppositions illegally. Use of power, should always be in safe hand otherwise everyone must remember DHAKA.

    By the way, I would also like to say, dont just beleive what Media is telling you, please think and consider every aspect. A glass of water could be HALF FILLED or HALF EMPTY. Be positive

    By the way, please please dont celeberate anybody’s death, say INNA LILLAH WA INNA ILAYHI RAJION, learn something if you can learn from the experience and try to practice good experiences and avoid bad experiences.

    Allah bless all Muslims and Pakistanis (Amin)

  101. Saifulmaluk says:
    August 30th, 2006 2:08 am

    Mr. Adnan Siddiqi,

    Since I did not have any relative working in Sui, my information about Balochistan is based mostly on what I read in Pakistani newspapers and hear on TV. And, by the way, I also had a karachi domicile and heard the same stories that you did about the Sardars and Nawabs of Balochistan. I didn’t like them — neither the stories nor the Sardars. They have some nasty habits and some of their values are different than mine. I wish we could have abolished the tribal and sardari system long time ago. But my personal likes or preferences do not negate the facts that I listed in my earlier comment. And, let me add one more fact to the four I already mentioned:

    BLA was neither created by Bugti nor was it headed by him. It was headed by a Marri, which, as you must have heard from your relative in Sui, is a different tribe and was hostile to Bugtis.

  102. Haris Ahmed says:
    August 30th, 2006 2:10 am

    Mr. Saifullah Malik,

    Please be polite and dont use irritating words.

    what you want to say with MAD-MULLA. Please, dont use such words. Please be polite in expressing your thoughts.

  103. M S Qureshi says:
    August 30th, 2006 3:37 am

    Without discovering the body and authenticated evidence, crime of murder cannot be legally established to have been committed. Although Government had a motive to neutralize Bugti, but its intentions to kill by sacrificing its officers and jawans is not understandable.

    Osama bin Laden is wanted dead or alive by the lone super power for terror attacks in US. Why on similar charges, including several attacks on US consulate in Karachi through BLA, Bugti was not declared wanted?

    Internal tussles within Bugti’s tribal hierarchy and killings for the top positions are well known from their history.Why this angle has alluded minds finding the truth in this case?

    Bugti’s field operators are known to resort to suicide bombings for achieving ends. Why the possibility of a suicide attack on law enforcing authorities at cave’s entrance is not examined? this possibility would have two angles. One to subvert the authorities’ action, in which case possibility of Bugti being inside the cave and killed becomes highly improbable and secondly, the palace coup conspiracy, which carries high probability, as the blame in that case would exclusively land on the Government, keeping the actual perpetrator of the coup out of harms way.

    The news of Bugti’s death was broken by private TV channels and confirmed by the Government, based upon Bugti family resources. Initially two grand-sons of Akbar Bugti were also reported killed. Now they are reported to have escaped unhurt.This means that, there was another way out from the 150 feet deep cave. In that case, what made Bugti to remain inside the cave which was susceptible to collapse under attack, if not family conspiracy?

    Above question need convincing answers before reaching any definite conclusion.

  104. nurved says:
    August 30th, 2006 4:42 am

    Good points Mr.Qureshi, but before Bugti Left Dera Bugti he nominated Bhramdagh Bugti as his Political hier and Aali Bugti as a hier to his tribe throne. I also heard some people with in the family are unhappy with this and did conseted there protest to bugti but I am not sure it was true or not. If as it is claimed that both are safe why didnt they accompanied their grandfather with them intead left him to die. Every stopry has tw sides and this one seems to have mroe then 5, BLA will be using it to its advantage, goverment to theirs, rival tribal leaders hungry to be the new Sardars to their own.
    Till his body is recoverd a fullscale investigation is done and its reports are published this will never be cleared. It could also be possile that Bugti killed himself as he would have preferd to DIE rather then surrender.
    Although I am not sure about the ponint you mentioned sying tht BLA members have resorted to suicide bombing against security forces that was done in WANA not here.

  105. KFS says:
    August 30th, 2006 11:22 am

    The killing of a Sardar Bugti IS a big deal both because who he was and how it was done. But as often happens on these websites we are makig more than there is to what IS a big story. Comparisons to his movement being a separatist insurgency or his being at teh verge of seccession and 1971 are hyperbole and exagerations. He was not without faults, mostly feudal faults. But nor was he this great mastermind of seccession and all bad. Maybe rational rather than emotional analysis is needed. These comments feed on extreme views. Too many comments are moving to extreme positions.

    And please, everyone, lets not make this another India-Pakistan point scoring game. Why are we so incapable of holding ourselves from scoring cheap shots.

  106. M S Qureshi says:
    August 30th, 2006 6:45 am

    Without discovering the body and authenticated evidence, crime of murder cannot be legally established to have been committed. Although Government had a motive to neutralize Bugti, but its intentions to kill by sacrificing its officers and jawans is not understandable.

    Osama bin Laden is wanted dead or alive by the lone super power for terror attacks in US. Why on similar charges, including several attacks on US consulate in Karachi through BLA, Bugti was not declared wanted?

    Internal tussles within Bugti’s tribal hierarchy and killings for the top positions are well known from their history.Why this angle has alluded minds finding the truth in this case?

    Bugti’s field operators are known to resort to suicide bombings for achieving ends. Why the possibility of a suicide attack on law enforcing authorities at cave’s entrance is not examined? this possibility would have two angles. One to subvert the authorities’ action, in which case possibility of Bugti being inside the cave and killed becomes highly improbable and secondly, the palace coup conspiracy, which carries high probability, as the blame in that case would exclusively land on the Government, keeping the actual perpetrator of the coup out of harms way.

    The news of Bugti’s death was broken by private TV channels and confirmed by the Government, based upon Bugti family resources. Initially two grand-sons of Akbar Bugti were also reported killed. Now they are reported to have escaped unhurt.This means that, there was another way out from the 150 feet deep cave. In that case, what made Bugti to remain inside the cave which was susceptible to collapse under attack, if not family conspiracy?

    Above question need convincing answers before reaching any definite conclusion…

  107. Arvind Singh says:
    August 30th, 2006 6:54 am

    I am very much agreed with Saifulmaluk. Really if you look back in 70s you will find same set of attitude was shown by then military government and off course by a majority of Pak citizen also. What you received, a divided nation.

    It may be a reason of debate, why USA didn’t killed the Saddam and Pak did to Nawab (or Israel invaded Lebanon). Hopefully Lebanon was not a part of Israel but It is unimaginable how to use such brute force against own people (fighter jets, helicopter gunship, artillery etc) specially targeting a old, frail person. There are very few example of this kind except under military dictatorship. And I am sorry to say Maulana Abdul Gaffar Khan was also treated same there.

    I could not Imagine while India not having less military might by any mean than Pakistan never used such brute force against any insurgency (however it may be economically cheaper) despite loosing a number of security personals and huge loss to exchequer.

  108. Abhi says:
    August 30th, 2006 9:01 am

    Dear Arvind, I am not sure whether you are from Pakistan or India. I agree no country should commit aggression against its own people. But I am surprised that you think that India would never do this. Isn’t this exactly what we did in the Punjab with the storming of golden temple, are now doing to the Naxalites, have been doing in Kashmir. Unfortunately all across our region and even in the world there are these attempts to use violent means to solve disputes. Why point fingers at others when we ourselves killed Bapuji and kill his spirit and his ideals every day.  If there is a lesson that Indiansand Pakistanis know very well it is that only more violence will come from violence. Peace to all.

  109. Saeed says:
    August 31st, 2006 1:23 am

    Very pertinent analysis on the Bugto situation by Kamily Hyat in today’s News
    http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=22074
    Worth reading, whatever your opinion on the subject.  As she says in her opening: “What he could not do in life, Nawab Akbar Bugti has achieved through his death. From his cave in the Bhambore hills, where he had been hiding since he was forced out of Dera Bugti some weeks ago, Bugti has won the battle he had waged for many months against the might of Pakistan’s military.”

    I think she also gets it right in saying: “Never a part of the Baloch nationalist movement till the very recent past, Bugti, through his death, may also have determined the future of his province.”

  110. Saeed says:
    August 31st, 2006 12:36 am

    Accrding to the front story in Daily TImes “The authorities have arrested 670 people for inciting violence and for attacks on public and private property since late Saturday.” Sounds like rounding up everyone they could find. There are never this many leaders and inciters, only followers. This type of police action will only increase the resentment.

  111. August 30th, 2006 10:39 am

    I dont think BLA has ever been involved in suicide bombing its more like an al qaeda thing, these BLA people are a bunch of cowards who will plant bombs blow away railway lines fire rockets they dont go the suicide option. There are a lot of conspiracy theories going on since Bugtis body is yet to come out. As far as equating Bangladesh with Balochistan is considered that aint happening. There is a whole bunch of reasons for that so please STOP comparing the situation with Bangladesh unless you have a very very good reason.

  112. Saifulmaluk says:
    August 30th, 2006 10:51 am

    Haris, I am sorry if I used impolite or irritating words. I did not mean to. What I meant by ” mad mulla” was those extremists who pose as Islamists but the only credential they have is a beard. Again, I am sorry and apologize if I caused any offense.

    Ma-assalama
    Peace!

  113. K Bhatti says:
    August 30th, 2006 11:13 am

    Arvind Singh jee,

    You forgot Golden temple?????????

  114. Pervaiz M. Alvi says:
    August 30th, 2006 11:33 am

    Lets keep things in perspective. Death of person Mohammed Akbar Khan of Bughti is direct result of the power play between government of Pakistan set in Islamabad and the mini state of Bughti set by the late Mr. Khan. The later was rightfuly taken out by the Pakistan government. In fact all mini states should be abolished no mater who sets it up and where they are located within the country. What surprises me is that all those who speak for democracy in Pakistan also faver the Lords and their fifdoms.

  115. jyoti says:
    August 30th, 2006 11:55 am

    @KFS. I agree. This is “AllThnigsPakistani” blog and should remain so.

  116. Alex Bhatti says:
    August 30th, 2006 12:13 pm

    A state with in a state should not and can not be tolerated, regardless where it exists. The writ of the government must be preserved.
    When a group or an individual take the law in to their own hands and try to resolve differences by force than the out come of this nature should be expected. There are many examples in the history of such an out come.
    In my opinion, the people or parties involved in destroying the properties, burning, looting etc. must be required to compensate for the damage. They should be kept in jail until they pay for all the damages caused by their actions.

  117. Saad says:
    August 30th, 2006 1:12 pm

    Anybody who takes arms against the government needs to be dis-armed ASAP.
    You cannot have a state within a state. Pakistan has multiple states running within
    itself and thats not tollerable at all. The problems in Balochistan and other areas
    should have been dealt with in 1960′s and 1970′s, look at how India dealt with their
    internal problems in 50′s and 60′s and as a result they r prospering right now.

  118. August 30th, 2006 1:31 pm

    Iwas extremely disappointed when i heard about the death of veteran politician NAWAB AKBER KHAN BUGTI. i think our government is found to be irrelevant to pakistan, It is supposed to be bringing huge disaster for the citizens of pakistan. TALBAN and PAKISTAN both were firends and both were found guilty in American’s point of view. TALBANS were hunged up and pakistan is being kept in prison. Military action against civilian is a proof of unbearable destruction. Due to wrong strategy The government have not only killed NAWAB AKBER KHAN BUGTI but have lost its sovereignty.

  119. sohail says:
    August 30th, 2006 3:12 pm

    These sort of articles have been in circulation for quite some time….see links below.
    Do they serve the purpose of exposing certain agendas or is the purpose to release the ‘information’ to influence the thinking of the readers and thereby increase the level of acceptance of the things to come….??What role the ongoing events have in the big scheme of things…if any??
    http://www.armedforcesjournal.com/2006/06/1833899

    See also gulf news of 29 august:
    New World Order through constructive chaos
    August 29, 2006
    By Munir Daair, Special to Gulf News

  120. Umer says:
    August 30th, 2006 3:52 pm

    Hi Everyone,With respect to all opinions laid here,I would like to comment under my knowledge here….
    I believe, there are two things,One Bughti as a Personality…Second,Killing of a Politician…these are two different things…
    We know from facts that whatever was Bughti up to was not in favour of Pakistan…He was Cruel,He killed many people….He was Stubborn…..Now Bughti’s Era is over…But the way he was Killed has made him alot more famous than he ever was…..Just like Bhuto….He was assasinated…..God knows what ever he was also up to ..peope were against jim as welll….but after he was hanged..He got the degree of Shaheed….which was not possible if he would have died under natural circumstances as a kind of politician he was…….The Point is…. Bhugti’s Ghost will live much longer than he himself did…..
    I personally agree with Muscharaf on alot of points..Like development of Dams….Liberating people of Feudle…..but i hardly see any futuristic aproach in this decision of gettng rid of Politicians…

  121. nurved says:
    August 30th, 2006 5:19 pm

    Now it dosent matter how big of a tyrant he was, a murderer, a stuborn sardar or waht ever, now history will remember him as a person who didnt bowed down to a military dictator, Now he is a hero for Balouch Youth, and may be his message will be even more extreme to them. It seems as if we dont learn from our past mistakes and we have a habbit of repeating them over and over again. His death have just sparked a new soul in the cause of so called liberation and Balouchs have made htis a matter of there pride, no matter how false that mite be.

  122. Adnan Ahmad says:
    August 30th, 2006 6:15 pm
  123. Rabia Bashir says:
    August 30th, 2006 6:46 pm

    It’s really interesting to see how many comments this post has generated so far. Why? Because we all have different opinions and points of view. What we do? Discussion, dialogue, sometimes argue – all in a civil and clean manner. Conclusion: Even if we differ from eachother’s opinions/likings, we can try to convince them in the best way possible not through fighting and KILLING them.

    If we go through all these comments, it gets clear that most of the people are condeming the MANNER with which this situation has been dealt. Nobody is supporting feudalism or the idea of state within a state. There are various other leaders with immense control over their tribes in Pakistan but this does not suggest in any way that they should be sprayed with bullets. It’s like becoming a part of that problem without solving it. This action has given a huge platform to the people with extreme mindsets to further their agendas and missions for their own vested interests. Things will go from bad to worse. Hope peace prevails for a better and stable Pakistan.

    Bugti’s body found in Kohlu cave: By Muhammad Saleh Zaafir

    http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=2775

  124. jyoti says:
    August 31st, 2006 3:15 am

    Why Musharraf had Bugti killed
    http://in.rediff.com/news/2006/aug/30guest.htm
    US NOW VIEWING PAKISTAN WITHOUT MUSHARRAF: STRATFOR
    http://www.buzzflash.com/mediawatch/06/04/wmw06046.html

    Times to come?

  125. Inayatullah says:
    August 31st, 2006 3:32 am

    Mr. Bugti was absolutely right on his way. He was striving for Baloch peoples and was fighting against Army Generals. These Generals are really enemy of Pakistan. They want to bifurcate Pakistan. These Generals only want to control on economy of Pakistan only in their hands. And remember that mostly all Generals are Punjabis. They concerned with Punjab province. The Center/Federal government is purely concerned with them. So being a Pakistani i hate their plannings and pray May Allah reaches these Military Generals (Amin).

  126. Arvind Singh says:
    August 31st, 2006 4:54 am

    Well Dear abhi and Mr. Bhatti. Indira Gandhi paid India paid for for golden temple, and well paid. Is pakistan is ready to pay for same mistake now?

  127. Arvind Singh says:
    August 31st, 2006 5:04 am

    Abhi, I agree with you but I oppose disappropriate use of force. would you think it is fine to send fighterjets to counter slingshots.

  128. Arsalan Ali says:
    August 31st, 2006 6:54 am

    Hey Mr. Arvind, why are u trying to turn this discussion into an india vs pakistan one. im sure you can find many other blogs better suited for this purpose.

  129. PatExpat says:
    August 31st, 2006 11:50 am

    Though each of us have our own view about Akbar Bugti. Most of us agree that Musharraf has done well by getting rid of him though we dont agree with the way he dealt with the issue.

    Below is the excerpt from the interview of former Air Marshal Nur Khan, one of very few heroes that we had in our armed forces. He was the only grace in the 1965 war whereas our army was humiliated in the ground offensive. And he has no political alliances or hidden agendas apparently.

    http://www.dawn.com/2006/08/30/nat7.htm

    =============================
    Former Air Force chief Air Marshal Nur Khan has roundly condemned the ruling Muslim League leadership, specially its president Chaudhry Shujaat Hussain and its secretary-general Mushahid Hussain Syed, for continuing to serve the Gen Musharraf regime even after the murder of Nawab Akbar Khan Bugti at the hands of a contingent of Army.

    They claim to have been very good friends of the late Bugti. Shujaat never tires of expressing his indebtedness to the Nawab for saving his father’s life when Z.A.Bhutto, the then prime minister, had reportedly instructed Bugti, then governor of Balochistan to have his father Chaudhry Zahoor Elahi who was then in the provincial jail, killed. And look at Mushahid. He was among the three whom Bugti had named for hearing his case and had promised to accept whatever their verdict. Is this how one pays back trusted friends? asked Nur Khan.

    The two seem to be running with the hare and hunting with the hound, he added bitterly.

    Nur Khan said, it was the PML which is providing the military junta the all important political life support, without which, Gen Musharraf would not last single day.

    “But without Gen Musharraf the PML will not last a single minute and that perhaps is why it feels compelled to go along with the military dictator no matter what the moral and political priceâ€

  130. Azad Khan says:
    August 31st, 2006 1:45 pm

    WELL, I WOULD SIMPLY SAY THAT PAKISTAN IS AN UN-NATURAL STATE AND IN SUCH SORT OF STATE THERE IS NO WAY FOR PEOPLE TO SURVIVE THE WAY THEY WANT TO. PAKISTAN WAS GIVEN TO JINNAH AS A BLOOD MONEY. IT IS UN-NATURAL BECAUSE YOU CANNOT FIND A REAL PAKISTANI HERE. PUNJABI, PATHANS, BALOCH, SINDHI OR MUHAJIR THEY ALL CANNOT BE NAMED AS PAKISTANIS AS THEY ARE COMING WITH THEIR OWN CULTURAL HERITAGES. BALOCH, PATHANS, SINDHI OR PUNJABIS ARE COMING WITH MUCH MORE OLDER HISTORY THAN PAKISTAN. PUNJABIS ARE INDIAN, PATHANS ARE AFGHANI, BALOCHS ARE IRANIAN/ARABS AND SINDHIS ARE CENTRAL INMATES SO THERE IS NO PAKISTANI HOWEVER SOME MILITARY GENERALS CLAIM TO BE PAKISTANI JUST BECAUSE THIS WAY THEY CAN CASH THE 80% FEDERAL BUDGET FOR MILITARY PURPOSES IN WHICH THEY CAN GET 50% OUT FOR THEIR OWN NEEDS. BUGTI WAS KILLED, DOCTOR QADEER IS UNDER ARREST AND NOT BEING DEPARTED FOR HIGH CANCER TREATMENT, ZULFIQAR BHUTTO WAS KILLED, NAWAZ SHARIF N BENAZIR BEEN OUSTED AND NUBER OF OTHER LULL THINGS HAPPENED AND IF U SEE THEY ALL BEEN IN MILITARY RULES. PAKISTAN WAS NOT ACTUALLY BEEN CREATED FOR PEOPLE BUT FOR MILITARY RULERS ONLY SO THEY CAN EASILY PRIVATISE THE GOVERNMENT ASSETS ON LESS COST SUCH AS STEEL MILLS. ACTUALLY MILITARY LEADERS THINK OUT OF BRAIN WHICH IN THEIR MILITARY BOOTS AND THEY NEVER CONSULT A POLITICAL EXPERT THAT WHAT WILL HAPPEN IF THEY KILL A SEASONED POLITICIAN LIKE MR BUGTI. THEY DO WHAT THEY WANT AND THEY DONT CARE WHAT WILL HAPPEN AFTER ACTION, THEY EVEN DONT BOTHER THAT WHY THE 100 CARS IN QUETTA BEEN BURNT, WHY 20 PEOPLE DIED, WHY ROADS BEEN BLOCKED AND WHY TRANSPORT IS NOT RUNNING, THEY DONT CARE AND THEY SIMPLY DONT UNDERSTAND THAT JUST BECAUSE OF MR BUGTI DEATH MORE THAN 200 MILLION DOLLARS BEEN WASTED COUNTRY-WIDE DUE TO RIOTS, BUT GOVERNMENT OF PAKISTAN DONT CARE, WHAT THEY CARE IS TO KILL ONE PERSON AND TO SACRIFICE 20 MORE, LOT OF PUBLIC WEALTH AND TO CREATE OTHER CRISES. NOW YOU CAN JUDGE THE MIND OF A MILITARY GOVERNMENT. BUGTI CREATED AN HISTORY AFTER HIS DEATH AND HE BOUGHT AN IMAGE INTERNATIONALLY, I SWEAR FOR COUNTRIES LIKE UK, AMERICA OR EUROPE MR BUGTI WAS NOT A TERRORIST BUT A FAITHFULL HERO FOR HIS NATION, WHO CHOICED TO FIGHT AGAINST ILLEGAL POWER AT AGE OF 80 IN MOUNTAINS BUT DID NOT ACCEPT TO LEAVE COUNTRY AND TAKE ASSYLUM IN OTHER COUNTRIES SUCH AS OUR OTHER LEADERS. I WISH MILITARY GOVERNMENT OPOLOGIZE TO PEOPLE OF PAKISTAN AND PARTICULARLY TO BUGTIS SO IT MAY REMOVE ONLY A 5% GRIEVIENCES OF BALOCH PEOPLE.

    TRY TO UNDERSTAND THAT BUGTI’S KILLING IS NOT A GOOD MOVE

  131. Ahmed says:
    August 31st, 2006 2:38 pm

    So Mr. Azad Khan by your definition US should breakaway too, there are people who are african americans they should have a state, theres latino population so they should also have a state, theres huge amount of indians settled they should have a state there, there are chinese there are hawaiins so they should have state too. India has tamil, india has punjabis, india has marathis and oh yeah india has muslims too so all should have a state. Please try to think what you are saying. Countries are born as nations they dont just breakaway just because they have different roots. The problem of balochistan is all about how the province is progressing. It is very true that they have been deprived due to hinderances. As far as your saying that people burn cars and other properties People do stupid things does that mean that the govt is behind. If you live in Karachi you would know what people do. They protest and this is the way they do it not knowing that they are hurting themselves its the people who are at loss. We the people can stand up and bring in a change FIGHT for our right but violence is not the answer destroying our own fragile infrastructure is not the answer. Nawab sardars chaudarys they dont care a damn its the people who suffer so its the people who should stand up. Leaders dont take refuge in caves and attack infrastructure they FIGHT for their RIGHT in a non violent manner. I am really sorry but your post is very ignorant and I only agree with the last part of your post
    “BUGTI’S KILLING IS NOT A GOOD MOVE”

    Regards

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  133. Adnan Ahmad says:
    August 31st, 2006 6:56 pm

    “It is amazing that it is the political heirs of the people who OPPOSED Pakistan, the MMA and its Islamic parties, that have become the self-styled custodians of Pakistan’s ideology,..”

    Obaid, terrific point. Couldn’t agree with you more on this point. In fact these mullahs, Jamat Islami and Mododi to be specific, were the biggest opponents of Jinnah in his audience. But then they came, they saw and they destroyed whatever good there was. One could write a dissertation on the reasons why they became such custodians and hijacked Jinnah’s country. I have my reservations about these small armies within the state but I admire the overall intent of your message.

  134. Ken Bhatti says:
    August 31st, 2006 7:17 pm

    Arvind Singh jee,

    To every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. So there may be some reaction by Bugtis. But remember India’s Golden temple also halted the seperation movement by Sikhs!!

    So outcome will depend on the resolve of the pak govt.

  135. Asma says:
    August 31st, 2006 11:48 pm

    The only thing that is killing me now is the unrest in the whole country. Whatever Bugti might have dine is not the question, the tactics used were not correct. The solidarity which never lied with him has made him a legend today even between those who never liked him! The analysts claiming it’s a dejavu of ’71 again plus the new map of the world from CIA in which Baluchistan is not a part of Pakistan and even some parts of Karachi, the foreign countries attaining the land in gwadaw for their consulates… From where im standing and observing I fear for my people, my country… I dont want to see a torn Pakistan… I don’t want to see Iqbal’s dream shattering right in front of my eyes and I don’t want to see Quaid’s vision bloodstained and dead…

  136. Azad Khan says:
    September 1st, 2006 2:20 am

    i would agree with asma as the war in between agencies will not let balochistan be a part of pakistan, not this only even the pakhtoon dominated regions will also fall in afghanistan thats why i am saying that get back to history in which u will find that 75% balochistan and 95% NWFP was a part of afghanistan and in 1893 Sir Durand gave the now-pakistani land to that time british government with this committment that it will be handovered to afghanistan in 1994 but it has not happend as in 1994 Taliban was operating in afghanistan. The fact is you cannot gather n combine different ethinical groups in one country such as in pakistan as it will have lot of cultural clashes. The two nations theory was based on religion presented by Sir Syed Ahmad Khan but we hv to realize that Pakhtoons or Balochis are initially at first Pakhtoonis n Balochis and after this they can be ranked as muslims n pakistanis. Living in Karachi or Islamabad will not show you the best picture of balochistan, I just came in from the recent riots from balochistan which turned the life to zero. You cannot compare balochistan with other provinces and it cannot also be blamed on Sardards or Nawab as they been fed & directed by Governments. I hv seen numbers of new Akbar bugtis emerging in the province and they may create some problem for the government. In 1968 a Punjabi Megazine says that further unity of Pakistan will devided punjabis far more and that is true. Actually the modus operandi of a government in Pakistan seems to be out of think tanks controls, as it is not being operated the way the government are operated in UK, USA or Germany where goverment has thinkers, planners & ideologists to let government know about its next feasible action. In these countries they are not the presidents or prime ministers who decide about the future of a lord or a land but they always consult – but – in pakistan it is totally different, military government takes action and than cannot face the level of reactions.

  137. Daktar says:
    September 1st, 2006 3:41 am

    Mr. Azad Khan
    Can you please provide a reference and teh exact wokding of the treaty clause you are refering to, since my understanding of its intent, its wording and its validity is very different from what you suggest. Second, can you provide a full reference to the ‘Punjabi magazine’ you mention. It sounds a little dubious, especially since you do not provide the name of the magazine but do provide the year. I will wait for those details. Thanks.

  138. Jyoti says:
    September 1st, 2006 7:37 am

    Latest report in “Dawn”:

    Authorities on Friday buried a locked coffin containing the remains of Nawab Akbar Khan Bugti, .. officials including Abdul Samad Lasi, the area’s top government official, said. Only 20 people, including government officials and Dera Bugti community leaders, attended the burial. …Journalists at the graveyard demanded that the coffin be opened so they could see Bugti’s body. But Lasi refused, telling reporters it is “illegal to show his face” and that he and a local cleric had earlier viewed the body and confirmed it to be Bugti’s. “The body was badly decomposed. It was not in a condition to have been shown,” Lasi said after a short graveside prayer service was held.” However the DCO showed the intact glasses and wrist watch showing time 8:10 of Akbar Bugti.”

    Srange, that a man gets “killed” when the cave he was hiding in collapse, but his glasses remain intact??? highly suspicious.

  139. saifulmaluk says:
    September 1st, 2006 9:38 am

    Asma, you say: “I don’t want to see Quaid’s vision bloodstained and dead”
    Quid’s Pakistan was blood stained and died in 1971 when its Eastern wing seceded and became Bangla Desh

    Ken Bhatti, You say: “To every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. So there may be some reaction by Bugtis”.
    Why do you expect only SOME reaction by Bugtis when the law you quote says EQUAL and OPPOSITE reaction?

    Azad Khan, this is the first time I am hearing the word “pakhtoonis”. Say that in front of a Pakhtoon or Pushtoon, he will laugh you out of the room

    Jyoti, there are many mysteries yet to be explained, but it is possible that a person may die when a tunnel or a cave collapses on him but his glasses remain intact. I say this because once my glasses fell on a street in Boston and a large Cheverlote ran over them but other than a few scratches on the frame nothing happened to the glasses.

  140. Umera Ali says:
    September 1st, 2006 10:07 am

    Obaid firstly the sentimentaly of your post aside, Bugti was not asking for provincial autonomy. He recieved Rs. 150 million every year in royalities for natural gas from SUI and was paid $2 million every month for protection of PPL installations and pipeline. A concervative estimate of his personal estate is Rs. 670 billion. All this money went into his personal treasure chest and not towards development of Baluchistan. When other leaders in Baluchistan claimed that this money should be given to province instead of Bugti for the development of Baluchistan he refused. The negotiation he wanted with the government was to revise royalty payment to him as well as concessions for trading personally done by him.

    The money he was receiving was never spent om development of Baluch people or even the people living on his land. On the contrary, he continued to spend money on maintaining his private army and jails. he also failed to provide protection to PPL property, even though he was paid millions to protect it. He only used the platform of provincial autonomy/Independence of Baluchistan after the government refused to negotiate royalty agreements for his personal gain.

    Whether Bugti was heading BLA or not is a point of moot, however, he was there biggest spokesperson. However, unlike BLA who allegedly is working towards greater good of Balochistan, Bugti was only interested in his personal gain.

    Lastly, I agree with you completely on your point about Mullahs.

    Asma, you are absolutely right that the only thing that should be of concern is the unrest in the country. The government would be wise to spend resources to provide basic amenities to people of Baluchistan. They government has to show these people that they are priority and would not be sidelined as separatists have been claiming. We have to make the people of Baluchistan a force against the nawabs and other lands lords to bring stability to the province.

    Azad Khan, I think you are extremely misguided in your opinions. India has many ethnic backgrounds, UK has many ethnic backgrounds, USA has many ethnic backgrounds and they all live together. The only time ethnicity becomes an issue is when favouritism and nepotism is used to promote one ethnicity over the other and secondly, when corrupt leaders use ethnicity to promote their own personal agendas.

    ATP administration, sorry for a long post. I apologise for not following the guidelines and hope to be excused.

  141. saifulmaluk says:
    September 1st, 2006 11:30 am

    Umera, I have a few observations on your comment:
    You say, “When other leaders in Baluchistan claimed that this money should be given to province instead of Bugti for the development of Baluchistan he refused”.

    Can you please name 2 or 3 such Credible leaders?

    If Bugti was such a bad guy as you describe him then why is Balochistan shut today? Why aren’t the people celebrating his departure as good riddance?

    Why the leaders in the current government, including Altaf Hussain, Shujaat Hussain, Zafrulla Jamali are condemning his killing?

    Why didn’t the government hand over Bugti’s body to his heirs for burial?

  142. Azad Khan says:
    September 1st, 2006 1:24 pm

    Daktar, your info on the durand line is too weak, please page out the ref no SMD-372 for the clause where it says that the accord to be honoured in 1994 after 100 years of agreement. AND for the megazine that mentioned about Punjabis relation, the name of megazine is Unionist. You may find one old journal.

    Saifulmaluk, I myself is a Pashtoon with International relation studies from Munich University Germany, I hv been long connected with our regional politics. Pakhtoons, Pashtoons, Pakhtoonis (Russians from the Red Revolution’s day call them Pakhtoonis) are similar. Your aim should be to discuss the core topic which is nationalism.

    Umera, I would not agree with you that USA, UK or India have many ethinical backgrounds but they still live together. Dont you see Mexico, Ireland, Chilli, Argentina & Canada being seperate from relavent countries on the basis of ethinicity & culture and dont you hear about Tamil Nadu, Tamil Tigers. Maoest movements fighting in India for ethinical & theoritical wars.

    Frankly speaking, Pakistan does not fall under any theory, nor capitalism, not socialism and never communism and even not islamization because all the four polibro-relgious theories are having number of clashes here in this country so you cannot say that one out of them is ruling the country. In Pakistan majority is stateless, minority is fighting is still fighting for freedom and the less number of individuals are running the government. I am not sure how would Pakistan welcome the globalization wave where a combined happy nation with combined interests is required.

  143. Saifulmaluk says:
    September 1st, 2006 1:44 pm

    Azad Khan,
    If you are a Pakhtoon, as you say you are, then you are the only one I have come across who calls himself a Pakhtooni. Try telling this to a Pakhtoon in Carsadda or Mardan. Anyway, it is not an important in the ongoing discusssion.

    Frankly, I was not aware of an expiry date on the Durnad line. I will do some research on this.

  144. Umera says:
    September 1st, 2006 3:30 pm

    Here are couple of leaders: Jam Mohammad Yousuf and Abdur Rauf Mengal both claimed that the royalty for SUI gas fields should be given to provincial assembly. However, it can be argued that was again not for love of the people of Baluchistan but to gain power against Bugti himself.

    Baluchistan is shut not because of love of Bugti but because of the fear, the same reason Karachi shuts down whenever a strike is called because of threat to ones live and property. It is not for the solidarity of the cause. If I lived in Baluchsitan, or for that matter, anywere in Pakistan I would not go out not because I support the strike but because I place importance on my life and property.

    Why are political leaders so upset – well because they are politicians and that is what they do – anything to over throw the government. Secondly, because they do not want this to be precedence as all of them have spoke against the state of Pakistan and have had started their own separatist movements. How can you even use their reaction as a greatness of Bugti, they are not much different from him.

    Please do his memory justice and give him credit for things he did right and things he did wrong. By painting him in golden light for all his actions. You make him a hero to some and villain for others. You are taking away everything that he may have done for this country, like casting a decisive vote at the time of independence. However, his past does not reduce the implication of his actions which resulted in his death. In all his political stand Bugti wanted to make sure that he gained personally, once he found personal loss he shifted his political stance.

    We may disagree about the manner of his death, but do not make him a martyr just because you do not agree with the way he died. I also do not think that was the best way for him to die but does not mean I should be blind to the man’s faults.

  145. Roshan Malik says:
    September 1st, 2006 5:18 pm

    Yousuf Haroon says Quaid’s advice on Balochistan ignored:

    http://www.dawn.com/2006/09/01/top6.htm

  146. Eidee Man says:
    September 1st, 2006 11:48 pm

    Azad Khan,

    no one here is saying that Pakistan’s government is excellent. However, your comment about heritages and such is misdirected I think. There are many ethnic groups in Pakistan and there is undoubtedly a lot of inequity in terms of resource distribution. But, that does not mean that every group should break off and create their own country…if we follow that logic, then there simply is no end…people will come up with more and more ways to divide themselves.

    I happen to be Sindhi and I personally know a lot of families who are Baloch-Sindhi “hybrids.” A lot of their people speak both languages, etc etc. So I disagree with the notion that Pakistanis do not have a national identity….you would have to try very hard to categorize these people as Sindhi or Baloch. And I’m sure there are similar examples that apply to all provinces.

    Some people use the same argument to say that Pakistan should not have been created in the first place. I disagree with that notion completely because of a LOT of reasons that I need not go into here.

    I actually like the provincial/federal system quite a bit. The problem lies in the enforcement of the law.

  147. Zain says:
    September 2nd, 2006 5:32 am

    He was a terrorist. He was a murderer, sabouteor and what not. All terrorists must die. End of discussion.

  148. PatExpat says:
    September 2nd, 2006 6:28 am

    We seem to have forgotten what our earlier military misadventures cost us. Ayub Khan and Yahya Khan led us to the seperation of East Pakistan, Zia ul Haq gave us Heroin, Klashinkov and Sectarian Violence. Musharraf has been here for only 7 years but he wants 5 years more. I don’t know how much more can this country take and what sort of legacy will he leave us? The way things are progressing, it appears it wont be any better than earlier ones.

    We miss no chance of downplaying our politicians. But we should remember that its always our military rulers who have done the most damage with 1965, 1971 and Kargil misadventures.

    If Umera is afraid of walking out in Karachi when MQM calls a strike then whose fault is it. Obviously Musharraf when he has appointed a convicted murdered as the governor of province and he talks to biggest traitor of this country “Altaf Hussain” personally when MQM ministers were about to resign. Bugti may have talked a lot but he never had such plans as Jinnahpoor etc like the MQM.

    And if we think that killing/murder/martyrdom of Bugti settles the issue, we are mistaken. Smaller provinces are already seething againt the control of centre and army. And the current event has just made things worse.

  149. Eidee Man says:
    September 2nd, 2006 8:02 pm

    I think PatExpat touches on exactly what the main problem is with Pakistan at the moment. While Musharraf ans the people immediately around him seem to have genuine intentions, they have allied with criminals and thugs in some places. In Sindh, for instance, they have basically handed over control to a band of known terrorists.

    Consider this. Those of you who’re in the U.S. know of the Tom Delay controversy and how a number of wealthy business-owners contributed to the Republican party in violation of some campaigh finance rules. After news of this started spreading, the main figures in the Republican party basically cut off all connections with those people in public and probably in private as well. Now, it’s not like the Republicans didnt know these things were not legal…but the point I’m trying to make is that stuff like this happens all of the time and STILL they had the shame to at least try to hush it up.

    Now, let’s look at the current governor of Sindh. After he “won” the “elections,” there were pictures of him celebratng and exchanging mithai with the likes of Altaf Hussain and other known, convicted assassins.

  150. sohail says:
    September 3rd, 2006 1:37 am

    Cowasjee paints quite a true picture…and not only of Bugti…

    http://dawn.com/weekly/cowas/cowas.htm

  151. sohail says:
    September 3rd, 2006 10:42 am

    Empire: How Britain Made the Modern World
    by Niall Ferguson

    A must read to know why we are what we are and where we could end up….(Not that every word of the book would be true, but still gives a very interesting insight into the workings of the powers of the day and their effect on the peoples’ destinies)

    Has anyone already read this book?

  152. jyoti says:
    September 4th, 2006 6:57 am

    Adil, this comment of mine might seem out of context but believe me, I was thinking about the current political crisis in Pakistan while watching this movie.

    I was watching “lage raho Munnabhai” this weekend. The movie is a romantic commedy where a gangster meets Gandhi ji. the whole movie revolves around Gandhian principles and shows how tolerance and non-violence can still solve problems in this day and age of discord and conflicts. I was thinking about the Bugti killing while watching the movie and was wondering, will anyone think of making such a movie about Quad-e-Ajam Jinna? Because, like Gandhi ji, it seems that principles of the founder of Pakistan have also been forgotten.

    The movie has taken India by storm and people are flocking to the cineamhalls to watch this movie more than one time.

    Shows how much the lost generation of leaders can still influence us. We still need those leaders, if not in body, then in principles.

  153. September 4th, 2006 12:17 pm

    It wasto wrong to killed Akbar Bughti because he was the governor of Pakistan .I think G.Musharaf`s Government should be in danger.I do not agree that Akbar Bughti is bieng killed

  154. September 4th, 2006 6:07 pm

    “Unexplained explosion” is the new explanation. The headline reads: “Pakistan insists security forces didn’t kill tribal leader, as anger mounts.”

    If, indeed, this explanation is correct; does that change things? And if it is not, why is the government ‘shy’ of taking ‘credit’?

    P.S. I remember living through another “unexplained explosion” at Ojhri Camp. Many analysts insist that had deep impacts on the future of Pakistan politics. I suspect this will too; although in, yet, “unexplained” way.

  155. Adnan Ahmad says:
    September 4th, 2006 11:17 pm

    Adil,
    Can you elaborate on your second last line? A few clues may help. I was quite young when that happened and dawn and jang were controlled media outlets in that age.

  156. Adil Najam says:
    September 4th, 2006 11:43 pm

    Ojhri, of course, was the ammunition depot in Rawalpindi that stored munitions on their way from US and other sources to the Afghan Mujahideen. It blew up under mysterious circumstances in 1988 (my experiecne of this was rather personal; I was driving and a rocket literally landed in front of the car!). There are many opinions on its impacts, and I am sure others will add thier’s. Here are mine:

    What is now fairly undisputed is that this incident led to Gen. Zia’s giving up on his ‘controlled democracy’ experiemnt. There was already unease between him and his chosen PM, Mr. Junejo, over the Geneva talks but after this Junejo announced the setting up of an enquiry commission, which Zia quite publically disapproved of. This rift, it is generally argued, led to Mr. Junejo’s removal; and functional the abandonment of the commission.

    The second impact it had, which is also generally accepted in the literature, was on US-Paksitan relations. It embarrassed both. A good account of how this already strained relationship became more strained in that period is to be found in the book “‘Charlie Wilson’s War’ which we had featured on ATP right in the beginning of this blog.

    The third, and decidedly speculative, impact that is sometime suggested (but on which the evidence is not clear) are possible links between these blasts and Gen. Zia’s violent death soon afterwards. However, as Hasan-Askari Rizvi points out in his book “Military, State and Society in Pakistan” the event also highlighted deep internal rifts with the military and in its operational hierarchy on the handling of the Afghan situation and on its relationship to civilian Pakistan.

  157. Adnan Ahmad says:
    September 5th, 2006 12:00 pm

    Intriguing. We talk very little about junejo, perhaps because he was chosen by a very bad dictator but even your second para shows he had character. Have hardly ever heard anything bad about him. I remember how sons of civil servants used to complain how he took away big cars from them and replaced them with suzukis (a right move in my opinion). I also remember seeing him showing up in zia’s funeral after “being fired”; that in turn was moral, especially when every body knew which way the wind was changing.

  158. sohail says:
    September 5th, 2006 3:23 pm

    http://gulf-news.com/opinion/columns/region/10064994.html

    A holocaust on the cards
    By Duraid Al Baik, Foreign Editor

    Was in today’s gulf-news…
    Could there be a plan to readjust the populations of certain regions (has happened in the past)and everything that is happening in balochistan, dubai,islamabad,,,hotels, investments etc., etc. a part of this new world disorder!! I don’t know …
    But after reading such articles do try to join the dots and would appreciate any comments affirming or opposing the propositon…

  159. sohail says:
    September 6th, 2006 3:33 pm

    http://dawn.com/2006/09/06/ed.htm

    Afghanistan: no ray of hope

    In todays Dawn…all linked together??

  160. PatExpat says:
    September 12th, 2006 9:50 am

    Reading through various posts I have found one fact very surprising. People claim that he was a feudal and should have be gotten rid of. Now this will pave the way for progress in Baluchistan.

    I have never seen so much naivete from the educated and elite class as in case of this issue.

    The trouble with Bugti that was he was uncompromising on his principles which could have been right or wrong but that had nothing to do with him being a merciless feudal.

    He was one of three sardars who were not siding with Musharraf the other two being Marri and Mengal.

    But what about the 70 or so odd sardars in government camp. Have they agreed to end feudalism in their fiefdoms, have new schools been built or are being built over there, is any economic progress taking place over there. The answer to all these questions is a blunt NO!

    So I suggest that we should stop fooling ourselves that Bugti was killed to end feudalism, bring progress to Baluchistan. If we are so much dying to bring progress to Baluchistan, why not start with those areas whose Sardars are already in government camp.

    As I am not a fan of conspiracy theories, I would not like to propose a vague reason why Musharraf wanted him killed? And the fact of the matter is, killing of Bugti was extra judicial (two wrongs do not make a right!) which should be condemned.

  161. Nadeem Shahzad says:
    September 13th, 2006 3:47 pm

    Why are we feeling sad about the Death of Bugti. My only regret is SSG did not get him earlier. Man was the symbol of tyranny with his own private jails and servent with the cut out tongues so they won’t reveal the family secrets. He and other feudal lord like him in Baluchistan are the ones standing in the way of Balochi Progress. Govt of Pakistan paid him Royalties in Carore of Rupees and what did he do with it?…..He bought Guns, Guns and more Guns. That money should have been spent in building school and colleges for Baluchi and for their education. Why he did not do it? I will tell you why, because Tyranny when faced with real power always plays a victim. He despite being the tyrannical figure himself convinced the country that he is merely a victim to the opression of Pakistani Government.

  162. Nadeem Shahzad says:
    September 13th, 2006 3:56 pm

    So I guess, being principled means taking up arms against your own government and blowing up the gas pipelines that supplies to Schools, Hosptials and Industries to prove your point?…..His principles were…He wanted more money for his private army from the Government not for the Baluchi or for Baluchistan and thats why he opted to fight against the Government by inciting the idea of opression of Baluchis.

  163. PatExpat says:
    September 14th, 2006 1:49 am

    Nadeem, I specifically said that his principles were his own. We can judge them as right or wrong. For arguments sake, lets assume they were wrong. What the heck, he was a mindless, toothless, merciless and spineless Sardar. This was holding back progress in his fiefdom.

    Musharraf has made loud claims that only 3 out of the 75 Sardars are threat to national stability and holding back progress. My question was what about the remaining 72 Sardars. Just because they are in government’s pocket, maintain a low profile; has any development educational, infrastructural, economical or social taken place in their fiefdoms. The answer is No! They are as backward and ruthless as Bugti when it comes to their subordinates.

    If you and me are both alive say in next five years, we shall see how much progress has taken place in Baluchistan as the thorn (Bugti)in Musharraf’s side has been taken care of. And progress is not measured by how much revenue Gwadar brings. It will be measured by improvement in social educational, and economic standards of people of Balochistan where all the Sardars are now on governments side.

  164. Mast Qalandar says:
    September 14th, 2006 8:57 am

    I agree with PatExpat’s argument. All these Jams and Jamalis are as hopeless as probably Bugti was. But they are considered sin-less and safe because they are with the government.

    Nadeem: Yes, you are right. Why should one take up arms against his/her own governmet? There must be something terribly wrong somewhere that makes do so unless, of course, they are plain crazy.

    And, yes, as pointed out elsewhere on this blog, you will begin to understand Balochistan when you understand the difference between Baloch and Balochi.

  165. Akmal Hussain Josh says:
    September 16th, 2006 2:56 am

    This was not about removing feudalism. It was about removing one feudal. And immeidtaely afterwards the govt. has made pacts with other feudals. Eventually this will strengthen the Sardari system, not weaken it.

  166. ali rehman says:
    September 14th, 2006 1:09 pm

    people always give values to the rich man. you find people in india saying that i am gear great grandchildren of Nawabs or Shahjan(if u go to Agra) or Nizam ( in hydrabad). we are the people who gives so much values to some leaders or Landlord. i do not understand why do we give so much value to the leader????? ( in concern of Bugti). millions of people die and born everyday. millions of stars formed (In nebula) and died as supernova. millions of partivcles are in the air.millions of people in Mumbai. why are we giving so much value to one person’s death??? i really do not understand.

  167. Abdullah says:
    September 14th, 2006 2:51 pm

    I totally agree with Pak expat and Mast Qalander ,whatever he was a man of his own principle whether right or wrong. What ever we have read in press recently most of the people have written good things about him and have criticized the gov’t of killing him,he was 80 years old man should be considerd as senior citizen.

    He was in politices for almost fifty years and had positions of Governor,Chief Mininster of Bolichistan, Interior Minister of Pakistan etc but never had any coruption cases against him or was not wanted by NAB like most of other politicians no body has written that he made money because of his politices .Regarding Royality of Gas, what I have read is that when gas was discovered in 1950′s it was his land and his family had leased it to the Gov’t who were paying him the lease or rent ,there was no law in Pakistan in 50′s or even now that when oil or gas were found in your private land it will be taken over by Gov’t like in USA and other countries.
    He was asking more share of revenue for his province not for himself.

  168. Arlo says:
    September 19th, 2006 11:07 am

    September 19 2006
    It looks emotion and anger characterize comments I have read before 19th Sept about Nawab Bughti’s death. Most of you have based your opinions and anguish on media reading, and reporting. Here is one who can give uou some better view:
    -I have met him as Chief Minister of Balochistan 1987
    -I have received a Shield from him as Chief Minister over a Podium for my services to the Advancement of Bridge Engineering in Balochistan.I have built road and bridges for him to reach his home town Dera Bughti.I have stayed in his Guest house at Dera Bughti in course of my providing him motorable road from Sui.-I have walked with him in his compound after dinners and learnt quite a bit about his thoughts.
    -I have met people of Dera Bughti and saw the pathetic conditions they were living in inspite of phenomenal revenue being given in cash to Nawab Sahib by Islamabad.-His “Army” can not be termed dedicated and loyal. They were young recruits from families who had to stay as hostage to Nawab in case of desertation. Balochistan’s Pakhtuns (40%) Populations hardly knew him except for Balochi Sardar holed up in Kohlu.Balochistan a has 50% of Pakistan’s land area.Its poulation is 5m. (Population of Karachi is 16m), 40% are Pathans, 30% Balochi Speaking, 15% Makrani ( pspeaking corrupted Farsi, and 15% Sindhi and Urdu speaking. None understands the other except in Urdu. Nawab Bughti was an educated man who unfortunately could not shake off his despotic manner and bitter desdain to opponents.As politician he was failure because he held all his cards to his chest and could not make friends. In the end he lost all friends and turned into a maglomanic fugitive throwing rockets at a trained military. Nawab Sahib I have watched was beyond reasoning, and given to immutable adamancy. Let me inform you all who read this. With the departure of Nawab Bughti, last vesitage of Sardari System, which British Rulers had pampered for 200 years, has eventually met its demise.

  169. RDL says:
    September 19th, 2006 11:34 am

    PICTURES OF NAWAB BUGHTI’S HOMES
    All is not lie. Pictures shown are infact understatement and intentional mix uo by some idiot photographer. The writer who has venomously tried to condumn them and in the same breath jumping to tell others which special hotels he had slept in Jordan or Turkey needs to calm his anger in Public forum like this. Let me ummarize my comment on this. The concoted pictures in fact only put Nawab’s servant quarters to shame. Has any one of you inflamed persons been to Dera Bigti, Kohlu or Marri Regions? or say visited Bugti House in Quetta? Do I have to describe how rich live in Pakistan?

  170. Shaukat says:
    September 20th, 2006 10:38 pm

    As many have mentioned, this incident will become the defining moment of the Musharraf legacy. As I was filling your survey, my F in domestic politics was mostly a factor of how this was handled. This incident will haunt us for a long time to come as a major national mistake

  171. Mast Qalandar says:
    September 20th, 2006 8:05 pm

    There is an interesting and insightful editorial in today’s (Sep. 21) Daily Times on Akbar Bugti’s manner of death and the stories that the government fed to the media about it. Here is the link to it: http://dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=20069\21\main_21-9-2006_pg3

  172. September 27th, 2006 5:52 am

    in my views itd not batter policy of government because nawab akbar bhugti is our great leader and was participated in my country peoblems. He was the owner of his place and time of independance he was free to join the country or live free but he prefer pakistan because of countryhood.On the other hand he was the previous Governor or a good pokitical leader. Government would not kill him because he is a pokitition.If he is dangerous for the country then government should arrest him and then after some time kill him secretky

  173. Naheed says:
    September 27th, 2006 4:55 pm

    It is not surprsing but sad that this killing is already forgotten. No one asked Musharraf about this in his many tv interviews in USA!

  174. Chandio says:
    October 9th, 2006 12:51 am

    Interesting that no one even mentions Bugto anymore. General Musharraf’s tour may not have achieved anything else, but it did wipe of Bugti’s killing off our memories.

  175. Hammad says:
    October 9th, 2006 2:10 am

    The discussion on Bugti may have stopped here and in Pakistan for the time being but it will NOT go away. It will come back and haunt us again and again.

  176. nasir says:
    October 9th, 2006 11:21 am

    I think the Bugti issue IS now forgotten and we should forget it too. The silence here and elsewhre proves that it was the right decision and time has shown that too.

  177. Nasir says:
    October 9th, 2006 7:34 pm

    If the best symbol all you anti-Musharrafites can find is Bugti, then good luck to you,

  178. Akbar says:
    October 9th, 2006 9:25 pm

    Way above in the comments, someone had written:

    dushman marray tey khushi na karee-aye,
    sajnaaN we marr jaana aye
    That seems like good advice for all of us to follow.

  179. Nasir says:
    October 10th, 2006 6:09 pm

    History will not remember Bugti and nor will it remember how it died. Its over and done. Live with it!

  180. Hammad says:
    October 9th, 2006 3:07 pm

    Interesting. So we condemn him of being proud of killing someone at 12 (which we should). But, then, we express glee and joy at teh murder of an 80 year old man! I am sorry, I cannot share your ghoulish fascination with murder or your support of murder.

  181. pindiwalla says:
    October 9th, 2006 12:16 pm

    It’s time we ended our love affair with the feudals. Bugti was the worst offender of them all. Maintained his own prisons, tortured his own people and proudly told the Economist Magazine in July ’06 that he killed his first man when we was 12.

    Good riddance I say!

  182. Hammad says:
    October 10th, 2006 10:02 am

    We are falling again into that trap of trying to make it about feudals. If it was the government would be signing deals with other tribal leaders the same time this killing happened.

  183. MQ says:
    October 10th, 2006 6:58 pm

    Such deaths have a way of resurrecting themselves into legends. Pindiwallas and Karachiwallas might soon forget this but, I suspect, Quettawalas will not.

  184. MQ says:
    October 10th, 2006 10:37 pm

    I must explain that I have used the term “Pindiwalla” and “Karachiwalla” not in an ethnic sense but to signfy the authors of a few earlier comments.

  185. saima nasir says:
    October 31st, 2006 3:16 am

    When we the responsible citizens of Pakistan fail to oppose and condemn the extra judicial killings (in the name of national security or patriotism) it leads to further weakening of our civil institutions, be it extra judicial killing of ZAB, Mutrtaza, Bugti or nameless other vivtims of such encounters it is something we should oppose with all our might and should not stop until something is done about it….no need to feel grateful to any dictator for bringing relief and progress to the country because in the long run they never do…remember Ayub’s golden Era followed by the dark ages which haven’t ended yet…..

    Oct 30: Eighty-two people were killed, 12 teenagers among them, in an air strike at a religious seminary in Damadola in the Bajaur tribal region on Monday morning……for full report , here is the link
    http://www.dawn.com/2006/10/31/top1.htm

    another such incident has taken place in our country while we are busy singing praises of a dictator….about time we ask for our judiciary to be stronger than any other institution in the country.

  186. saima nasir says:
    October 31st, 2006 7:08 am

    Another link to the latest killing spree of the pakistan army
    http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/116228575734.htm

  187. Ismail Magsi says:
    November 2nd, 2006 3:01 pm

    Just like Zulfiqar Bhuttos use of violence against Balochistan made things worse, the current governments use of violence is also making things worse. People in both Frontier and Balochistan are getting fed up with Musharraf and PPP already has no credibility anywhere and Muslim League is just a joke whether it is Nawaz Sharifs or Shujaat’s. You will now see increase in teh support of religious parties and regional parties all across.

  188. RindBaloch says:
    November 12th, 2006 7:31 am

    Badla Zaroor Milege Armys Ko INSHALLAH Nawab Akbar Khan Bugti Ka….

  189. Ghalib says:
    November 13th, 2006 6:53 pm

    alarmed by pindiwallas and quettawallas statement by MQ! really irresponsible!!
    Its Pakistan tht we tawkin abt not Bugti!wat single step he took to educate his people the Marris,Bugtis,Legharis,Jamalis Mengals have their dynasty in this system.Its their bread n butter they themselves un want to rebuild Balucistan and fer the sake of their own pockets they defend by saying they working for BALAUCH’s.wat a pity!!im not rationalising his death with his acts or wat ever govt did!but he asked fer it!and if he was so loyal y he kept on saying increase his royalty of gas money ?cashing on even dr shazia case!i wud ve loved him if he had said the baluach will stand with dr shazia and wont ask fer royalty if the real scondrer the army captian be brought to justice!its dirty politics frnds he played dirty and had a dirty end!he was fer his own dynasty,look fer a video where his grand son is conviicting an ADULTERY case by makin a man walk on buring coal an checking ifhe gets blisters!if yes he is an adulterer an if not the otherwise!can u believe it its on BBC and watch it!such is the state of affairs!look at his pictures the guns and the aura he exudes?was he a war lord?itsa countryZ!the money he had he cud have single handedly took baluchistan to hieght of power but y???? he wanted buziness a constituency to run dirty politics and throw everything on khites pindites pathans or everyone juss to have ur own way!mush and him are one an the same thing but his end was before Mush!rest dun take him as a martyr or a pakistani politician!he cud haqve won hearts but as he wasnt supposed to do so as he ruled by fear he got a tragic end!

  190. amjad balouch says:
    November 20th, 2006 2:04 pm

    naheen chooreen ge army ko

  191. TURAB says:
    November 27th, 2006 10:07 pm

    thank you MUSHI

  192. Aamir Ali says:
    December 3rd, 2006 9:03 am

    Akbar Bugti was a murderer and ethnic cleanser. I am glad finally this historical criminal has been eliminated. Dera Bugti will benefit.

  193. December 12th, 2006 2:17 am

    mere kheyal se jis thrah in logon ne jis thrah buzurg leader k sath keya wo ik kafar be muslman k sath nahean kartha. Allah Thalah is ka badla zaroor de ga aur umeed se ham kabe maus nahean hean.

  194. TURAB says:
    December 12th, 2006 5:06 am

    zalim loagoan ki maut aisy hi hoti hai!

    waqt ke taqazay ke kisi ke gunaah maaf nahien hotay….

  195. Baber says:
    December 12th, 2006 8:23 pm

    Well the sad part is that they made a martyr of a man who honestly din’t deserve it. One more battle lost by the Pakistan army. Now the Balochi people see him as a hero and to them it does not matter what other Pakistanis think of him(NAKB). Because if Bugti din’t solve their problem neither did the rest of Pakistan. It was his voice that reached the ears of 15 million Balochies starving for rights first. Its a harsh reality, now we have to live with it.

  196. Baber says:
    December 13th, 2006 12:09 pm

    jis dhaj sai koi muktil mai gaya wo shaan salamat rahti hai
    yai jaan tu ani jani hai is jaan ki tu koi baat nahii

  197. TURAB says:
    December 13th, 2006 4:30 pm

    How can someone defend a person who killed hundreds of his own, displaced thousands of his own, had torture cells and private jails, and of course martyred the jawans of Pak Army… the only sin of the govt was to put a tap on the royalties going to him directly and not to the locals

  198. Baber says:
    December 13th, 2006 5:21 pm

    The question is what took the goverment so long to do so if he was such an evil? One thing they demonized him more after he died. Anyway I was not defending him. His death alienated baloch people thats all I am saying and because of sheer stupidty of gov/army people(baloch) see him as an hero.

  199. PatExpat says:
    December 14th, 2006 1:18 am

    From DAWN Op-Ed

    [quote post="69"]To anyone not familiar with Pakistan’s history of bungling with the affairs of the federation and unaware of the intensity of the Balochistan people’s discontent, the new development package will appear most impressive, perhaps generous too. But anyone with a longer memory than the present regime’s leaders seem to have been endowed with will find disturbing similarities between Islamabad’s strategy to win the minds and hearts of the Baloch with the Ayub regime’s development plans for East Pakistan during 1960-69 (the so-called Development Decade).

    The foremost issue in Balochistan, as it was in East Bengal, is the people’s belief that they have persistently been denied their right to self-rule. Attempts were made to meet the grievances of the people of East Bengal by belatedly accepting their language as one of the official languages, by giving them a second capital and the headquarters of one of the defence forces. They were allowed their own governors, ministers, bureaucrats and police chiefs. Finally, they were allowed due share in parliament. (That the country’s dismemberment was preferred to giving the Bengali Pakistanis their due share in power is another story but that too should never be forgotten.)

    The second issue in Balochistan is its people’s deeply entrenched belief that their resources â€

  200. Umar Shah says:
    December 14th, 2006 2:00 am

    People who are against their own country are accused of committing treason. Treason is usually rewarded with death. People who admit killing another man are murderers. The punishment for murder is death (yes I am for capital punishment). Bugti is all of the above and more. He admits in his biography that he killed his first man for frivolous reasons when he was 13 -very proudly. Not counting the countless many souls he may have killed or ordered killed since then. Why are we unhappy over the departure of a man who was so heartless and brutal?

    People who subject other human beings to attrocities or hinder the progress of their fellow man do not deserve any respect regardless of any label they may have (nationalist, sardar, tumandar, leader of xyz, chief minister, etc, etc) or the fact they may have shook the Quaid’s hand at some photo opp. Great men believe in change and achieve it by any means. Che Guevara was a revolutionary, Bugti was not. Anybody who takes up arms cannot be put into the same bucket. A distinction has to be made between a dacoit and one who takes up arms for protecting others interests and not his own.

  201. PatExpat says:
    December 14th, 2006 2:26 am

    Mr. Umer,

    Not to be drawn in this battle of character assassination, nobody is idolizing Bugti. But the manner in which he was dealt with, the government has made him a martyr to Baloch like many others before him as was the case in East Pakistan. The government is engaged in extrajudicial killings. As per BBC

    [quote post="69"]The human rights group Amnesty International says Pakistan’s security agencies, particularly the powerful ISI, often picked up suspects with little or no evidence, and sold them to the Americans for bounty. [/quote]

    Dictators and rulers kill their opposition which is not acceptable but nevertheless happens around the world. However, to sell out one’s citizens for bounty, I don’t think any dictator has stooped so low.

  202. Baber says:
    December 14th, 2006 5:03 pm

    I think every Pakistani who tries to defend the army must read the Chapter 2 of Hamoodur Rahman Commission Report. Please don’t try to compare the atrocities with those of Bugti’s .Just think of the same things happening to your fellow balochie brothers, Who will you stand for?

  203. TURAB says:
    December 14th, 2006 7:33 pm

    Bugti killed balochis,,, Mushi killed Bugti…

    Actually some reports suggest that the cave in which Bugti was hiding had land mines trap set by Bugti in order not to be caught alive….

    I fully support Balochi Poppulations of more control in their in own province… If only there was devalution of powers to locals instead of centre controlling everything then even tragedy of 1971 could have been avoided….

  204. PatExpat says:
    December 16th, 2006 5:38 am

    From Daily Times,

    [quote post="69"]General Baloch argued that leaving aside the area under the influence of rebel Sardars â€

  205. faiz says:
    December 20th, 2006 2:25 am

    MR. AKBAR BUGTI WAS A GREAT LEADER, HE FOUGHT FOR HIS PEOPLE WRITES, HE IS NOT DEAD, HE IS ALWAYS ALIVE IN THE HEARTS OF BALOCHI PEOPLE. MAY GOD REST HIS SOUL IN ITERNAL PEACE

    ALL COUNTRIES IN THE WORLD HAVE MILITARY
    BUT OUR MILITARY HAVE A COUNTRY
    WHAT A SHAME

  206. OMAR says:
    February 24th, 2007 12:48 am

    How quickly people are forgotten. We move to the next news item. The next murder. We have forgotten this killing of Nawab Bugti. We will also forget other killngs like that of lady Minister. The people who kill know this and they know they will get away with anything.

  207. Samdani says:
    March 11th, 2007 1:43 am

    I came back here after reading the comments on the post about the sacking of Chief Justice by the President. That is a continuation of the same path of destruction as the Bugti killing.

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