I am a Mumbaikar: In Prayer and in Solidarity

Posted on November 28, 2008
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Adil Najam

I, too, am a Mumbaikar today.

I wish I could reach out and for just one moment hold the hands of the woman in this AP photograph. Maybe shed some tears on her shoulder. But I do not know what I would say to her. I do not think she would want me to say much. The expression on her face matches the feeling I have at the pit of my stomach and in the depth of my heart. I think – I hope – that she would understand how I feel. I can only imagine what she is going through.

And so, in prayer and in solidarity, I stand today with Mumbaikars everywhere. In shock at what has happened. In fear of what might happen yet. In anger at those who would be so calculated in their inhuman massacre. In sympathy with those whose pain so hurts my own heart but whose tears I cannot touch, whose wounds I cannot heal, and whose grief I cannot relieve.

The solidarity I feel with Mumbaikars is deep and personal.

The first time I ever visited the Taj Mahal Hotel was with my wife. We had been married just weeks and were not staying at the Taj but went to the historic “Sea Lounge” at the hotel for tea and snacks during a short visit to Mumbai. We went to the Oberoi Hotel the same visit in the naive and mistaken belief that we would find Bollywood bigwigs hanging out there. In later years I would come back and stay at the old wing of the Taj – down the corridor from where Ruttie Bai Jinnah and stayed – I would even present in the grand ballroom whose pillars, supposedly, had been brought from her father’s estate. Each time I passed through Victoria Terminus I stood in awe of the pace as well as its presence. In awe of the architectural structure, but also of the sea of humanity around me. I cannot hear of terrorists attacking these places without my own muscles twitching in anger.

But my feeling of solidarity with Mumbaikars is much much more personal than these few fleeting visits over many years. Deeply etched into me are the horrific echoes of 9/11 in New York and the string of terrorist attacks on Islamabad, Karachi, Lahore, Quetta, Peshawar and all over Pakistan whose reports have become all too familiar – but never bearable – on this blog. I know what living with terror feels like. I have thought too much and too deeply about what it feels like to be the target of violence propelled by hatred. I know the pain of helplessness one feels as one stands stunned in grief, wanting so desperately to do something – anything – but not knowing what to do. This is why I identify with the expression on the face of the woman in this picture. This is why, like so many others in the world, today I too am a Mumbaikar.



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This is why I stand with Mumbaikars everywhere, in prayer and in solidarity. At a loss for words but with an urge to speak out. My words of condemnation will not change the actions of those who have committed such heinous murder and mayhem. Nor will my words of sympathy diminish the agony of the victims. But speak out I must. In condemnation as well as in sympathy. To speak against the inhumanity of hatred and violence. To speak for the humanity in all of us that we all must hold on to; especially in the testing moments of grave stress.

But, today, I have no words of analysis. What words can make sense of the patently senseless? I do not know who did this. Nor can I imagine any cause that would justify this. But this I know: No matter who did this, no matter why, the terror that has been wrought in Mumbai is vile and inhuman and unjustifiable. And, for the sake of our own humanness, we must speak out against it.

And, so, to any Mumbaikar who might be listening, I say: “I stand with you today. In prayer and in solidarity.”

240 Comments on “I am a Mumbaikar: In Prayer and in Solidarity”

  1. Ali Hassan says:
    November 28th, 2008 12:50 am

    Very moving and heartfelt sentiments.

    I echo what you have said because I feel same: “I stand today with Mumbaikars everywhere. In shock at what has happened. In fear of what might happen yet. In anger at those who would be so calculated in their inhuman massacre. In sympathy with those whose pain so hurts my own heart but whose tears I cannot touch, whose wounds I cannot heal, and whose grief I cannot relieve.”

  2. Meenu Bhatia says:
    November 28th, 2008 1:01 am

    Thanks a lot for the concern and sympathies for us Mumbaikars. Its a fact of the times that we have to live with these misguided terrorists anarchy. Whatever the source of this terror the common people of these two countries should continue in their goodwill and contact with each other.

  3. Qudsia says:
    November 28th, 2008 1:11 am

    Adil Najam, you have written what so many of us Pakistanis are feeling. Whatever else may be happening between our countries and whoever has done this, as humans the entire country of Pakistan is stunned and shocked and pained by the attacks. I think politicians will use this for their own purposes but as humans we in Pakistan have come to know what living with terrorism is like and we understand what India and Mumbai is going through. Our thoughts are with them. We feel their pain. Peace and goodwill to everyone.

  4. kiran kotla says:
    November 28th, 2008 1:15 am

    all the mistakes is made by our politicians not by terrorists
    by these politicians they are surviving in india even they are doing terrorist activities somany times
    the politicians are the first enemies to the india
    we should face them.

  5. Mahrukh Abbasi says:
    November 28th, 2008 1:29 am

    Allah sab behtar karaingai! I feel the same as well, all we can do is pray for them.

  6. Mohammad Amjad says:
    November 28th, 2008 1:35 am

    Very well said. I feel exactly the same. This terrorism is a curse and being from Islamabad where we have seen so much of this recently I also feel for those in Mumbai. By wishes and prayers are with them.

  7. Deeda-i-Beena says:
    November 28th, 2008 1:48 am

    Adil:
    Yours is a very apt expression of all of our sentiments.

    In my life’s work of over 33 years my heart has cried in all parts of the world, whenever precious human beings suffer from man-made disasters.

    This, once again is a wake up call for the thinking humanity to come together and do their bit so that this carnage ends forever.
    Mere expressions of sorrow or solidarity would only foreshadow the next event some place else.

    The thinking people of this world village must come together now, stop playing the blame-game and start a global movement that goes beyond the knee-jerk reaction but more importantly, eradicates the causes that lead to such heinous expressions.

    This terrorism is not one people’s or any one country’s problem. It is a humanitarian problem and only us, the human beings would be in a position to deal with it.

    That is my wish. That is my prayer.

  8. Fahad says:
    November 28th, 2008 2:59 am

    i agree…. in words that i do not knw, i thoughts i know not how to express….

  9. libertarian says:
    November 28th, 2008 3:48 am

    Meenu: Its a fact of the times that we have to live with these misguided terrorists anarchy.

    “Misguided”?? You’re probably listening to Rajdeep Sardesai and Barkha Dutt. And it is not a sign of the times. No – this time is different. This time the perpetrators will pay a heavy price. It’s time to send a message that freedom (and democracy) is not weakness. Say hello to ugly Black-Ops; say hello to unfortunate “collateral damage”; say hello to escalating retribution. This one is not going unanswered.

  10. Usman says:
    November 28th, 2008 3:51 am

    I am saddened by the news of loss of innocent lives. India must examine its policies towards minorities esp. in Kashmir. Otherwise there is no solution to this type of incidents.

  11. elia ispahani says:
    November 28th, 2008 4:21 am

    yes this tragic incident is indeed very sad. terrorism anywhere cannot be tolerated.

  12. fareen hussain says:
    November 28th, 2008 4:23 am

    we as muslims should condemn this act openly. it is despicable and unjustified

  13. November 28th, 2008 4:38 am

    I think people the whole world over echo your thoughts.

    You forgot to mention London, Madrid and Bali (to name but a few) from your litany of woe

  14. Nirmala says:
    November 28th, 2008 4:48 am

    Libertarian, you don’t sound like much of a libertarian from your comment. You sound more like a BJP-ista. Maybe change your pen name closer to what you are (I won’t say what I think you are since that will be inappropriate language!).

    My my country India be spared of the hatred of all including those who respond to hatred with hatred.

  15. Babar says:
    November 28th, 2008 4:54 am

    May be you should first confirm if you are welcomed to be a Mumbaikar? You know its not nice to just claim some body else’s territory.

  16. Babar says:
    November 28th, 2008 5:01 am

    Nopcthoughts: Lack of knowledge on your part does not bring the responsibility of reform on islam singularly ( though I think its an absurd idea to reform an ancient religious idea). Obviously the voilance committed by muslims only is of interest to the western mind at the time of history. Otherwise you could ask the same question to Hindus in india who have killed many many times more innocent muslims ( going by the record of mainstream newspapers). But I am not worried. Once this phase of history is over, you will forget about the muslim voilance or the need of islamic reform.

  17. raju says:
    November 28th, 2008 5:39 am

    mujha is sarah waqya per afsoos hai yah nehi hona chaya, magar india ko sirf eik he kaam atta hai jab be koi waqya hota hai wo sab se phaila pakistan ka naam lata hai. in logo se araz hai k phaila zaboot da phir ilzam laga.

    Amazing Pakistan>>
    http://pakistan-newz.blogspot.com/2008/11/amazing-pakistan.html

  18. Tahira says:
    November 28th, 2008 6:57 am

    My all sympathies with the innocent victims. May the culprits brought to justice and and may the poor rest in peace

  19. D.I says:
    November 28th, 2008 7:00 am

    what happened in Mumbai was very sad… we, Pakistanis feel for all those who have suffered from this fatal event… but all attacks cannot be blamed on the Muslims… it is sad to know that such a peaceful religion is now known to be the religion of terrorism…

  20. BUNTY says:
    November 28th, 2008 7:25 am

    I am a Pakistani, Islamabadite to be exact!

    I condemn terrorism & loss of innocent life everywhere and anywhere.

    However, unlike Adil Najam I am really not too keen to be a Mumabite, Delhite, or Deccanite or Tamilide or whatever Indian etc especially when the Indian PM points a finger at my country, Pakistan, for this crime without rhyme, reason or solid proof. I am quite sick of the Indian State blaming its own ills and on me and my country. True sign of national Indian impotence is when you start blaming your neighbor for all your shortcomings! I am sure that they will find Pakistani ID Cards, Passports and/ or Credit Cards from these perpetrators soon enough! Enough Said!

  21. Babar says:
    November 28th, 2008 8:16 am

    Bunty: Agree completely. I couldnt have said it more clearly. Its just like some sections of Pakistani society blaming there ills on USA. While these elements in Pakistan currently make up hardly 10 % in India this tendency of relinquishing all responsibility seems to be the norm upto the very top. I wish them well and hope they will try to find real solutions for there people rather than just blaming all there ills on Pakistan.

  22. November 28th, 2008 8:31 am

    Babar – We deal with the world as it is, not as it might be, and its impossible to face the current world, without at least acknowledging that the majority, of the many acts of terrorism in the world, are carried out by adherents to, or in the name of religion

  23. Anwar says:
    November 28th, 2008 8:34 am

    Well said. These events are very unfortunate.

  24. Stone says:
    November 28th, 2008 8:51 am

    First, I echo Dr Najam’s thoughts. My condolences to those who have lost loved ones in Mumbai, and I hope that those affected will rise again with greater strength and resolve.

    Second, like Dr Najam said, I know what it is like to live with terror. My family has been in locations that have been attacked by suicide bombers, and escaped with minor injuries, thankfully. But what really pisses me off is the way people come on TV and the blogosphere and blame the Jews, the Americans and the West for “not understanding Islam and the root causes of terrorism”. When Indian army elements were found to be collaborating with Hindu terrorists, the BJP and the Parivar parroted the same line.

    There are pseudo-intellectuals like Zaid Hamid writing utter bollocks like this is a “Hindu Zionist” (What the hell is a Hindu Zionist anyway?) and CIA/Mossad/RAW conspiracy. Just like the idiots who claimed 9/11 to be a Jewish conspiracy. What a shame. And what a greater shame that there are blinkered idiots who fall for such “analysis” hook, line and sinker.

    It has been established that Islamist militants, be they from within India, Pakistan or Bangladesh, have conducted the Mumbai carnage. Condemn it, without apologising for it.

  25. November 28th, 2008 8:57 am

    Thanks. I linked to this. The words need to become universal.

  26. rambo says:
    November 28th, 2008 9:03 am

    No muslim army ever set foot in south east asia but Indonesia has got the biggest population of muslims. This same goest for south India, maldives, comoros island, East Africa or for that matter most of the middle east. Islam being spread by the sword is propaganda. This does not however mean there not have incidents where people have been forced to convert. But majority of the cases Islam has not been spread by sword as it is said in the Quran that there is no compulsion in religion. It was during the dark ages of the europeans that christians and jews both took refuge in Muslim ruled areas. I wouldn’t go any further cause I could give you a whole history lesson on this.

  27. Babar says:
    November 28th, 2008 9:06 am

    Nopcthoughts: I did not justify the acts of killing because someone else is also doing it. You are just putting words in my mouth. Infact, I do not justify them at all. Killing of innocent civilians is completely abhorable. Leaving aside the arguments if the terrorism is morally better or worse than state killings, the current phenomenon of terrorism by non-state actors is very dangerous in itself. I very strongly beleive that Pakistan has to uproot it completely as it takes away the states monopoly of controlling its dealings with other nations and it has no place in a democratic functioning of state.

    However, what I did say is that you can not blame Muslims only, for the acts of terrorism. Muslims are no better or worse than other groups and what makes me unhappy is when people single out muslims as if they are some other branch of animal kingdom and preach them about peaceful living. You obviously have no understanding of indian situation. You think this way because you have been interested in this phenomenon only after 9/11 and only from the perspective of the west. Do you know that in year 2002 more than 3000 Muslims were killed in three days at the hands of terrorists in indian state of Gujrat? Do you know how many muslims were killed in riots after Babri Masjid? Do you know just a year ago a dozens of Pakistanis returning from india were killed in terrorist attacks by hindus? Do you know about what happened in the mosques of Malegaoon about a year ago? Did you condemn any of those personally? Then why do you expect muslims to condemn each act of terrorism on demand?Going to the Muslim side of voilance you must not know how the kashmiri mujahideen had made life hell for kashmiri hindu pandits in 1990′s. But ofcourse that was before 9/11 when the world (western) was a peaceful place.

    India has many many more voilant problems apart from hindu muslim issue. My only contention is that one should perhaps try to find solutions for the problem one is facing rather than painting a very large group of people as evil.

    I think it would be impossible to discuss the nature and impact of christian reformation here. But according to my understanding, the peace and harmony in west is because of marginalization of religion from political life and as a source of social organization rather than some “reform” in the religion itself. Religion, no matter how much reformed, has always great potential of bringing bad to the society when used as a basis for organization of society One should look for modernization of muslim societies rather than the religion.

  28. Stone says:
    November 28th, 2008 9:08 am

    Rambo,
    Most initial conquests of Islam were based on the ultimatum sent out by Mohammed: Convert or prepare for war. Islam isn’t the only religion that spread this way, but it is ridiculous to claim that it was spread just due to the goodness of Muslims. You’re the one in need of a history lesson.

    I weep for Pakistan, my country is being physically AND psychologically destroyed by fundamentalism and violence.

  29. rambo says:
    November 28th, 2008 9:12 am

    Muslims ruled India for centuries. If islam had been spread by the sword (force) than 80% of people would be Muslims and not hindus. The Sword of Islam was the Intellect. The sword that conquers the hearts and minds of people. Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world especially in the West and no one is forcing them to convert. I have relatives who have converted and they are not just american but chinese as well including former sikhs.

  30. arif says:
    November 28th, 2008 9:18 am

    Bunty: I am also a Pakistani but frankly I am not too sure of innocence of our people. Let us face it. It is not just current attack in Mumbai, but several other terrorist attacks carried out in other countries including those in Pakistan have shown linkage to Pakistan. Such elements are scourge of any civilized society and need to be flushed out without regard to their nationality. Pakistan government should give full cooperation into Mumbai investigations and if any Pakistani is found involved in this, he should be punished as any criminal.

  31. Stone says:
    November 28th, 2008 9:19 am

    Rambo,
    This is my last word on this, as I’m unlikely to change your mind.

    Religion, not just Islam, is anti-intellect. So to claim that ‘intellect’ is Islam’s sword is an incorrect argument. This is a discussion for another, less tragic time.

    Muslims ruled India for centuries thanks to the political and administrative acumen of the Mughals. And even the Mughal Empire was established thanks to the ruthless violence perpetrated by Babur and his army. Don’t believe me? Read Babur’s own book! Further, rule in India was not consolidated because the indigenous folks decided that the Muslims are angels and will lead Mother India to salvation. There was a lot of political intrigue, alliance-building and marriage at the royal level.

    It is telling that when Aurangzeb decided to actually implement Islamic laws in India, the decline of the Mughal Empire began with indigenous non-Muslims (and even some Muslim princely states!) rising against the Empire. You would be well served to consult texts other than CSS textbooks for your history.

  32. dil nawaz says:
    November 28th, 2008 9:52 am

    A Prayer for Peace in Mumbai
    Messages 1 – 1 of 1

    Message 1 – posted by dilnawaz (U8191) **, 5 Minutes Ago

    In the darkest of times one has to look for some silver lining, hope for future. communal harmony.hindu muslim india pakistan asian western brother/sisterhood can defeat the terrorist. let us lift up our hands in prayer together even those who do not remember the wordings. any prayer hindu muslim sikh christian or agnostic for dead and injured and their families and their countries. love and peace to all

    http://dilnawazinqalabi.blogspot.com/2007/01/peace-tourism.html

  33. November 28th, 2008 10:18 am

    thanks, adil.

  34. Umar says:
    November 28th, 2008 10:23 am

    Whether the terrorists who carried out this particular attack came from boards that set sail from Karachi is besides the point… the point is that unless we ruthlessly and brutally purge our country of terrorists, our name will be dragged through the dirt, and justifiably so, more and more… perhaps Manmohan Singh’s references to “neighbors” was an attempt to steal the BJP’s thunder, but next time, there may well be credible proof of an attack having its origin in Pakistan…

    It pains me to say this, but far too many people in Pakistan are in denial of just how easy it has become for terrorists of every hue to use Pakistan as the launching pad for their heinous acts… crying hoarse at drone attacks is all good, but so many of us (Pakistanis that is, not the posters here at ATP) are being hypocritical at not condemning the terrorists enough, or supporting the government when it attacks the terrorists… It is also instructive and eye opening to stroll through the average street in Pakistan or ride public transport and have your worst fears realized: that there are a lot of people who are actually jubilant at such attacks… unless this mindset changes (and even suicide bombings against Pakistanis has failed to change it), we will remain Terrorism Central, and we will remain an international pariah and laughing stock…

  35. pramod ~ powerd says:
    November 28th, 2008 10:35 am

    As an Indian and a Mumbaite, I thank you for your kind words, solidarity, sympathy and compassion. Mumbai has always been targetted by certain extremists and regardless of the damage, it has carried on because it is a city of the people for whom it is a city of their dreams and which has always taken care of them; it is a city which is synonymous with its people and their struggle in life. Hundreds may be killed but Mumbai will never die. We will fight back, but not with weapons and hatred but with carrying on with our lives peacefully and honourably.
    Thank you again

  36. Asish Mitra says:
    November 28th, 2008 10:48 am

    Dear Adil Najam, as a Hindu and as an Indian but mostly as a human being I thank you for these words which are sincere and from the heart. There are too many people in both our countries that have been trained and brainwashed to blame each other for everything. There are people in my own country who will try to make political benefit from this and I am sure there are these people in your country too. The test really is for ordinary good people to stand up against these propagandists and to condemn violence and terror everywhere for anything. I am moved by your words. May we all learn to be tolerant an share in other’s pain. Thank you.

  37. November 28th, 2008 11:17 am

    like so many who have already commented i feel the same for the citizens of mumbai and india the same way i felt on that fateful day 9/11 and the day the marriot was destroyed in islamabad. strangely enough your experiences on visiting mumbai are an echo of my visuts twice . i am just not able to comprehend the mechanics of the minds of these perpetrators. again allow me to stand in solidarity with the people who have expressed their outrage and invoking again the words of a great pressdent who himself was a victim of insanity i too am a mumbikar.

  38. Florence says:
    November 28th, 2008 11:34 am

    My tears and condolences to a suffering world…. I spent a large part of the day yesterday reading the individual stories of heroism in Mumbai, and weeping.

    Being Filipino/Chinese, I am far from being Mumbaiker myself, but who can deny or ignore the universal language of grief? You couldn’t have expressed my sentiments better myself, Adil.

  39. Curtis F. says:
    November 28th, 2008 11:35 am

    I am not an Pakistani nor an Indian, I am not a Muslim nor a Hindu. But I am really moved by these words and I think they speak for ordinary people everywhere. I also do not know who has done this and frankly I am getting tired of people who are trying to spread one theory or other based only on their own biases and hatreds. Thanks to the writer for showing the face of human solidarity for its own sake.

  40. FAROOQUI says:
    November 28th, 2008 11:58 am

    Thank you for expressing the feelings of decent Pakistanis and humans everywhere. I read some comment here that there was jubilation in Pakistan. I am in Pakistan and there is NO jubilation anywhere. Only sadness and fear. As Adil said, we go through this every day and we know what it feels like to be the target of terrorists. I think there are too many people who want this to become political and with Indian elections coming I fear that this will become even more so. There are also some in Pakistan who sow the hate and we must be careful of them. Luckily the are very few. Every Pakistani I know has been condemning this. I have not meta single one who is jubilant. Here are the Pakistani blogs I go to regularly and they have all written to condemn this:

    http://www.chapatimystery.com/archives/noted/bombay_attacked.html/
    http://www.teeth.com.pk/blog/2008/11/28/mumbai-under-attack-pakistan-to-blame/
    http://watandost.blogspot.com/2008/11/scores-killed-in-mumbai-rampage-highly.html/
    http://pakteahouse.wordpress.com/2008/11/27/freedom-and-lights-ode-to-bombay/
    http://www.3quarksdaily.com/3quarksdaily/2008/11/mumbai-under-attack.html

  41. Raabia says:
    November 28th, 2008 11:58 am

    As a Pakistani, a Muslim and as a Human I am sad and pained at what is happening in Mumbai. My sympathies for the victims and may those who did this rot in hell, no matter who they are or from where.

  42. Carmen says:
    November 28th, 2008 12:03 pm

    The world seems to be going totally out of control. Its not just here but also in Thailand recently. I think the nation states are dying and these groups whether they are religious or not are totally out of control. The task for Barak Obama as president of USA will be mammoth. May we all live in peace.

  43. AHMED Q. says:
    November 28th, 2008 12:11 pm

    I am writing from Lahore and here people are also sad and scared like everywhere in Pakistan. There are fanatic nuts in Pakistan just as there are everywhere and there are some who relish on conspiracy theories of a crazy sort. But most people are humans first and shaken by what they are seeing on TV. I think most of us realize that maybe some Pakistanis could be involved in this just like Pakistanis have been involved in terrorist attacks IN Pakistan. But it does not seem like the govt of Pakistan has anything to gain from this. My condolences and wishes to people in Mumabi. I am also a Mumbaikar today.

  44. Vinod says:
    November 28th, 2008 12:16 pm

    Thank you for these moving words. I live in New Delhi. I think all of us who believe in peace should stand up against those who live with hatred. We all have both kinds in all countries.

  45. Islamabadi says:
    November 28th, 2008 12:24 pm

    In Islamabad the feeling is not very different from what Ahmed Q. describes from Lahore. Only sadness and being very afraid about what will happen next and where.

    I think the govt of Pakistan has acted wisely by saying that our intelligence agencies will provide any help needed by India and will uncover this. If there is any Pakistani involved then as a Pakistani I want those people punished strongly. As was said in the anti-war protests, NOT IN MY NAME. I am also convinced that Pakistani govt is not involved and frankly the news coming now is that it may be Indian home terrorists. That does not matter, as Dr. Najam wrote, no matter who and no matter why, this is inhuman and must be condemned.

  46. Hamid says:
    November 28th, 2008 12:39 pm

    My condolences and sympathies too. And thank you Adil Najam for voicing what Pakistanis feel like today. I am sad that even here people have turned the about religion and pointing fingers, even though your post has no mention of this. But that is what we have to fight against.

  47. Javed Ali Khan says:
    November 28th, 2008 12:40 pm

    I am sad at this and I fer for all of us and how poiticians and extremists in Pakistan and India will use this to make things worse and incite hatred. We must remain careful for how this can unfold. I hope sensible people like Adil Najam prevail and those who are trying to incite hatred on both sides do not.

  48. Reshma says:
    November 28th, 2008 12:47 pm

    Hi Adil,

    I have come on to your blog many times out of curiosity, and find your posts to be insightful and interesting.

    This is my first time posting here.. but I wanted to say thank you for the words you have written. This is not about anyone’s religion or nationality. This is about how we as HUMAN BEINGS must not allow these kinds of acts to continue. I know there are compassionate people everywhere, whether it be India or Pakistan.

    I am sad for India and Pakistan today as I read the news. I can only hope that people on both sides remain level-headed and work together to solve any and all problems TOGETHER.

  49. BrassTacks says:
    November 28th, 2008 12:59 pm

    Why did you never write about the blasts in Islamabad and Lahore? Why only worry about India? I think this is an Indian agent website.

  50. Krishna V says:
    November 28th, 2008 1:18 pm

    Adil,

    I must say in the aftermath of the carnage, I would never have imagined such a heartfelt message from across the border.

    I thank you and all other Pakistanis for your message of peace.

    Sadly I wonder whether the elected leaders of this godforsaken part of the world will match the spirit you have demonstrated.

    God bless you.

    Krishna

  51. an indian says:
    November 28th, 2008 1:33 pm

    As an Indian, i would like to thank you for your words.

    As per me, our administration is equally responsible for this mumbai war. They failed in preventing the illegal entry of the terrorists. We cannot go on fixing the world, it is upto us to be careful in our territory first.

    I really hope we learn atleast after this bomb blast.

  52. malaysian says:
    November 28th, 2008 1:40 pm

    Islam a peaceful religion? Gimme a break!

  53. Jusathot says:
    November 28th, 2008 1:52 pm

    All acts of terror against innocent civilians and non-combatants wherever it happen must be deplored in the strongest terms.

    At this stage when the dust has not even yet settled from all the firings and blasts

  54. wellwisher says:
    November 28th, 2008 2:19 pm

    Any form of violence in the name of Islam is akin to driving a sword in the soul of Islam. Those who believe that Islam needs a sword to be spread are the enemies to the true spirit of Islam.

    Islam is submission to God, the Creator of us all. True submission to God can only be achieved through the love of His creation.

    In the current state we are worse than animals. All who are involved in and support hatred, terror, violence, and injustice are far from earning the right to be called humans.

    Hatred begets hatred. Instead, the peace loving masses of the two countries should join hands to root out the evil amidst us. We should try to prevent such atrocities from happening through eradication of ignorance, and by helping to lift the poor out of their despair.

    May Allah help us all to get rid of ignorance, hatred, and violence. May the poor masses of the two countries be able to live in peace with justice, human dignity,and integrity. Ameen.

  55. Rohit S.S. says:
    November 28th, 2008 2:23 pm

    I blame Indian liberals and seculars for this. The same guys that are not seeing through this posts lies and treachery. We keep falling for these smooth-talking Muslims who keep stabbing us in the back. We Indians have been too soft on Muslims. I say forget about Paksitan, first take care of the Muslim traitors in India and show the world what we are really made of.

  56. wellwisher says:
    November 28th, 2008 2:53 pm

    Rohit. S.S:
    Revenge only puts you in the same category as the perpetrators of this crime: terrorists, murderers, devils … Is that what you want to show the world?

    That does not solve the problem of 700M people barely surviving on a meal a day in the two countries .. Or does it not matter to you …

  57. Asif says:
    November 28th, 2008 3:02 pm

    Rohit S.S.
    “I say forget about Paksitan, first take care of the Muslim traitors in India and show the world what we are really made of.”

    I suppose the Gujarat violence against muslims just wasn’t enough. Hindu fanatics should redouble their efforts this time.

  58. Aadeesh Kapoor says:
    November 28th, 2008 3:03 pm

    Rohit S. S. doe snot speak for India. He does not speak for most Indians. The thinly veiled RSS in his name says who he is and who he speaks for. Most Indians and I think most Pakistanis want to live in peace and safety. Those of us who do must not let the few who would instigate hate and violence turn hateful and violent.

    I will therefore just ignore Rohit S. S. and hope others will also do same. Let us all not fall into the traps that those who want to spread hate lay out for us.

  59. ASAD says:
    November 28th, 2008 3:06 pm

    Well said, Aadeesh

    On both sides there are too many who are trying to use this to pick a fight to get into arguments to incite hatred and to spread rumors. Let us resolve to ignore them because what they want is to take their bait and get into arguments with them and turn a human tragedy into a political circus.

  60. Jameel says:
    November 28th, 2008 3:08 pm

    This is a sad incident indeed and should be condemned. My heart goes to all the innocent victims and their families. I found a lot of comments against Muslims in general and Indian Muslims in particular. Please don’t brand Islam and Muslims as terrorists. Islam is a religion of peace. The Qur

  61. Reshma says:
    November 28th, 2008 3:26 pm

    To Rohit SS- That kind of talk will not solve any problems. You certainly don’t represent all Indians in those thoughts. This is a time for solutions from ALL sides, and everyone has to work together to solve it.

  62. A Concerned Pakistani says:
    November 28th, 2008 3:36 pm

    I deeply sympathize with Indian nationals and people of Mumbai in particular on this tragic incident.
    During this hour, I would also request the Indian govt. & media to play responsible role, and rather than pointing fingers left and right, try to look within as to who maybe behind it, internally, as such a big operation can’t be carried out without internal intelligence! One should also remember Lt Col Shrikant Purohit case & other incidents, as pointed by Talat here that stress the need to keep patience/calm during this hour & rather, emphasize the government to investigate the case fairly before pointing their fingers, especially, with their re-election so close by!

    http://pkpolitics.com/2008/11/27/live-with-talat-27-november-2008/

  63. Javed Ali Khan says:
    November 28th, 2008 3:36 pm

    This is for “BrassTacks”

    Man, check before you write. This site and this author has constantly spoken out against all violence in all parts of Pakistan and with passion. Just search for the word ‘violence’ or ‘blast’ or ‘extremist’ in the search box.

    The only outside agents in Pakistan are the Taliban and Taliban supporters who are enemies of Pakistan and Pakistanis (who they have been killing).

  64. ASAD says:
    November 28th, 2008 3:41 pm

    I also think that the comment from BrassTacks is vulgar and shows that he has never even read through this site. But more than that, this is the type of person who measures patriotism by how much one “hates” the “enemy”. If only he could be a little more like Pakistaniat.com and love everything about Pakistan rather than hate others then maybe he will understand what patriotism really is!

  65. Raabia says:
    November 28th, 2008 4:13 pm

    This “BrassTack” guy represents the crazy fringe of Pakistanis. Just like India has its RSS (and the Rohit guy comment below) we have these RSS-equivalents in Pakistan who think that you have to hate Indians in order to love Pakistan. Well I have news for them. Most of us can love Pakistan for its own sake. that is why we love this website. Just like this Rohit guy does not speak for all Indians, this BrassTack guy does not speak for all of us Pakistanis.

  66. Reshma says:
    November 28th, 2008 4:24 pm

    @ Raabia- Well said. One doesn’t have to hate others in order to love their own country. This is a common misconception in South Asia and other parts of the world. This is the nonsense that creates unnecessary problems in the first place. Irrespective of nationality, religions, etc, we are all first and foremost human beings. Rational and calm heads must prevail in this situation.

    Real solutions come when the root causes of problems are addressed, not by stirring mischief and doubts in people’s minds.

  67. jahanara ali says:
    November 28th, 2008 5:23 pm

    Thank you Adil for expressing my feelings exactly. I am sickened and disgusted by the Mumbai attacks. Having visited India over the summer to visit my parents birthplaces, I am especially saddened by these events.

    These are misguided people who reek havoc on innocent people of all faiths, but also on muslims everywhere. Their actions have made muslim name synonymous with ‘terrorists’.

    Do they really think these actions are helping them reach their goals??

  68. AbuMaleeha says:
    November 28th, 2008 5:34 pm

    Knowing that Pakistan is being pressured in the north west by the Taliban, the BLP in Baluchistan, Afghanistan in the west, and Indians in the east, US and Co building valid reasons to go into Pak, not that it needs any….why would someone from Pak Govt do such a stupid thing? How does it help them. This incident only helps others…Pakistan is getting very very isolated..sad.
    I really liked what Deepak Chopra has to say yesterday on Larry King, i hope that is how most Indians will see what happened but knowing Pakistanis, Indians would have the same mob mentality and so expats like us can do nothing but blog.
    I honestly dont know what to make of this Zaid Hamid guy…dont totally dislike him but do disagree with a lot that he has to say.

  69. faraz waseem says:
    November 28th, 2008 5:51 pm

    Well no matter how wrong this act was, these guys were not coward. It is not a coward suicide bombing. These guys are fighting with 3rd best millatry of world for 50 hours straight and they are iron made.

    I agree with Deepak Chopra. Unless this oxymoron “war on terror” ends, world will see such tragedy again and again.

  70. Mohammad Aslam Rabbani says:
    November 28th, 2008 6:27 pm

    I have been shaken by this just the way I was shaken some weeks ago when the Marriott hotel blast happened. That I am a Pakistani Muslim and one was in Pakistan and other in India does not make a different. I am a human before I am a Pakistani and these murders I cannot stand. My prayers are also with Mumbai today.

  71. Bharat says:
    November 28th, 2008 9:07 pm

    I am an Indian and I do not need your sympathy or you prayers!

  72. Sridhar says:
    November 28th, 2008 9:44 pm

    I am still shell-shocked… I have family and friends in the city and while I no longer live there, I consider it my first home. It is my favorite city in the world and it is shocking to see what is literally urban warfare going on in the city. To see the Taj Mahal hotel in flames is a shocking sight indeed. It is not just Mumbai’s iconic building, it has a great history. Jamsetji Tata was denied entry in an exclusive British club (located adjacent to the hotel) due to the color of the skin. He went ahead and opened the finest hotel in the world at the time instead of accepting his fate. It thus represents a spirit, an idea, not just a building.

    It is time for all of us to get out of a state of denial. In India, we need to get out of our self-created fantasy that there are indigenous terrorists. We have loads of evil in our midst and we have a huge task at hand in ensuring that all Indians have a stake in a peaceful and progressive India. Pakistanis need to get out of their self-denial that all accusations against Pakistan are merely accusations. There is a solidly documented history of involvement of Pakistani elements and of official Government agencies in promoting terrorism and terrorist organizations not just in India but around the world including Pakistan. More than 90% of terrorist incidents around the world in the last 5 years have had some Pakistani connection. Let us not kid ourselves and prevent real solutions – whether we are in India or Pakistan. It is now time for Pakistanis to realize that Pakistan is in real danger of disintegration unless the problem of terrorism is tackled head-on. And this is not possible unless ALL kinds of terrorism is tacked , including the kind that affects India. And it is time for Indians to realize that we have a very serious problem to solve and the solution does not just lie in security measures.

  73. Umar says:
    November 28th, 2008 9:59 pm

    I think we need to have a registration system on ATP…

  74. Ayesha says:
    November 28th, 2008 10:17 pm

    Heartfelt condolences to all those who have lost relatives in this act of terrorism and since this has become unfortunately a global phenomenon, we can literally say we feel your pain.

    But I must say, I appreciate what Bunty and Babar have to say as well.

  75. libertarian says:
    November 28th, 2008 10:55 pm

    Well no matter how wrong this act was, these guys were not coward. It is not a coward suicide bombing. These guys are fighting with 3rd best military of world for 50 hours straight and they are iron made.

    Really brave – behind a human shield. And your admiration is duly noted.

    If the governments in Delhi and Mumbai do not act quick – and be seen to be acting decisively – they are toast in the next general election. Turbulent weather ahead.

  76. raju says:
    November 28th, 2008 11:52 pm
  77. HAVE FAITH says:
    November 28th, 2008 11:55 pm

    BROTHERS AND SISTERS……..
    HUM SAB KUCH BOL LE ……DONO HI DESHON KI AAWAM PARESHAAN HAI….
    KYA MUJHE AAP ME SE KOI BHI EK VALUABLE ANSWER DE SAKTA HAI….

    KYA AAP LOGON ME SE KOI MUJHE TERRORISM KHATAM KARNEKA EK FEASIBLE SOLUTION DE SAKTA HAI………?

  78. HUMAN says:
    November 29th, 2008 1:04 am

    Dear Adil Najam

    Your sentiments are honest and moving. But I fear they are wasted on those Indians as well as those Pakistanis who would prefer to hate rather than to understand.

    There are too many layers of hatred that we in each of our countries have been taught. One or even many blogs will not change that. But please do not loose heart at some of these comments and keep on writings. We really need more Pakistanis and more Indians who think as humans first.

  79. M. Ahmad says:
    November 29th, 2008 1:05 am

    Daer Adil,
    It was lovely to hear your comments on AlJazeera
    Next time please try and stress on the difference of involvement between Govt of Pakistan and an ordinary Pakistani citizen
    If a call has been traced to Karachi, then it doesn’t mean that the Govt is involved
    In the same way, that if an Indian Army Officer was involved in supplying the explosives for the Samjhota Express carnage, the Indian Army was involved

  80. Baig says:
    November 29th, 2008 1:18 am

    I have often come to this site but never commented. But the power of your writing has made me comment this time. This is very powerful stuff and I thank you for saying what you have said and saying what so many other Pakistanis feel. I do not expect that all Indians or all Pakistanis will like what you have said, but I am glad that you have said this. I am tired of all these jaali experts on TV who give expertise without knowledge and throw out half baked theories without evidence and without feeling or emotion.

    So, thank you.

  81. Arjun says:
    November 29th, 2008 1:26 am

    As an Indian I thank you for these sentiments and pray that everyone on both sides of the border will have this sharing and sentiments for each other. I realize that some of my countrymen have reciprocated by being angry at you and not appreciating the gesture. I hope you will understand that their anger comes from the intensity of the events and years of having been taught to distrust all Pakistanis. I am sure it is the same on the side. But let us please build bridges of understanding between us.

  82. November 29th, 2008 2:44 am

    Dear Adil,

    Thank you for these beautiful words in such dark days. It is so heartening to know that every Pakistani I have spoken to feels the same pain, and you have represented our feelings of sympathy and solidarity with Indians so well.

    I have never been there, but I stand beside you as a Mumbaikar today.

    Thank you.

    Abbas

  83. November 29th, 2008 4:22 am

    You have, in a very few lines, conveyed a very loving and touching message.I never expected to read such emotional words from Pakistan.I am an Indian, a Mumbaikar.Thanks for those heartfelt wishes.

    We can also understand that you are facing similar terrorist attacks in your country.In such times, we need to stand by with each other.

  84. Shabana says:
    November 29th, 2008 5:14 am

    My deapest condolonces to the poor people whose loved ones have died.

    What worries me are the calls to teach Pakistan a lesson across the board on indian media. I am not worried about Pakistan’s security that much cause at least India can not actually attack us. But I am very much worried about the prospects of friendship and cooperation between india and pakistan. And unfortunately this thinking will only hurt india. We already dont have any interests in india except regarding security. But it seems indians will totally avoid looking inward and just call for Pakistan bashing which ofcourse does not help anybody. I see BJP back in power with a hard line agenda, and more divisions within india. And that will definitly not help india’s progress.

  85. S Usmani says:
    November 29th, 2008 6:35 am

    @Arjun,

    My friend your acknowledgement of the venom being spewed in India against Pakistan is appreciated.

    As far as your assertion that “i’m sure its the same over there,” (ref. to the distrust of India), well this blog is evidence that it is not the case at least on our side of the border.

    Pakistani’s have demonstrated in scores that they condemn these attacks, and yet the Indian does nt seem to register any of it, and keeps beating the war drums.

    We are first to recognize our own flaw as far as terrorism goes, the recent past has reminded us only too gravely of that, but one would’ve certainly thought that Indian democracy being 60+ years mature would have coughed up a press that demonstrated at least a shred of editorial supervision and integrity.

    It honestly seems like the whole Indian media has reverted to a plot in a bollywood classic, forgetting that diplomatic norms force us to engage one another within certain parameters.

    I m sorry if i sound like i m toeing the party line on this one, but i swear a glimpse of the clamour on Indian tv would force one to conclude that good heavens, everyone in Pakistan, from the shopkeeper selling ski gear in the northern areas to the fisherman netting salmon in the arabian sea, was involved in orchestrating the attacks.

    anyone interested in seeing what naked propaganda looks like in the 21st century, flip on an indian channel now.

  86. Babar says:
    November 29th, 2008 7:06 am

    I may also look like toeing party line but beleive me that nowadays anti india sentiments are quite low in Pakistan. Yes during the 90′s “Crush India” was a popular slogan. But lately people here have learnd a lot of lessons and are no longer interested in fighting with india. One proof is that issue of India is not taken up by any party ( except JI which doesnt participate) in any election except for the usual line in manifesto of building good relations with india. May be the internal problems have hit Pakistanis very hard or their attention is more focused on the western border right now

  87. nik says:
    November 29th, 2008 7:21 am

    Hi i am an indian but i was surfing pakistani blogs to get pakistani view of the whole episode.
    I have a story to share.
    Few years ago my brother who is an salesman visited Kashmir regarding his work and he died there in firing from a militant group. Now if you pakistani people believe that those terrorist are not trained in pakistan and not financed from pakistan, i think you need a serious reality check guys.
    On the contrary i am sure India has never trained militants to go and created terror on pakistani soil. If some pakistani has this experience where indian militants have killed pakistani on pakistani soil please share it with me.
    A lot of pakistanis are saying that it was past and it doesnt happen any more, But no one is ready to come forward and accept that we did breed terrorists and accept the fact that killed several innocent people. I firmly believe its payback time now for pakistan.

  88. November 29th, 2008 8:00 am

    Babar, You got so engrossed in your own arguments, that its you who are now putting ‘words into my mouth’.

    If you check you will see that I was careful to include all religious beliefs in the ideology that feeds terrorism “the majority, of the many acts of terrorism in the world, are carried out by adherents to, or in the name of religion” and I only added that one particular religion was most often involved

  89. Babar says:
    November 29th, 2008 8:59 am

    My list was only meant to demonstrate that all people have same capacity of certain actions when put in similar circumstances. Anyways, I think its probably not right to turn this comment section into a debate. I may answer on your website.

  90. Saeeduzzaman says:
    November 29th, 2008 9:56 am

    I think some Pakistanis and Indians are getting carried away, as they always do, trying to play diplomat or politics. Yes, there are Pakistanis who have deep distrust and even hatred of Indians and who blame every bad incident on India. No, not all Pakistanis are like that. Yes, there are Indians who have deep distrust and even hatred of Pakistan and blame every bad thing on Pakistan. No, not all Indians are like that. Yes, Pakistan has probably helped bad events in India. Yes, India has probably helped bad events in Pakistan. No not everything bad in Pakistan is because of India. No not everything bad in India is because of Pakistan.

    All of the above is in the comments above but I guess people will keep repeating that paroting of the propaganda again and again and again and thee can be nothing that can be done about it.

    The point is that at some point pain and grief should be bigger than propaganda and we should act just as humans. I am glad that Adil Najam has done that in this post. I hope, one day, more will do so without responding like mere Indians and Muslims.

  91. S Usmani says:
    November 29th, 2008 10:14 am

    @nik,

    lolwut? u need a reminder of when indians planned and executed a terror attack? how’s about “sahmjota express” for starters mate? Its going to be a back and fro, its a futile argument so i m not going to engage in it.

    @saeeduzzaman,

    frankly you’re doing a good job of being the mandela-esque elder statesman here, my gripe is only this:

    Yes we have elements on both sides that hate each other, agreed.

    But goodness gracious, i did’nt see a media trial of India on Pak press or elec media when the ISL marriott got bombed? for that matter many more.

    We have concrete, absolutely convicting evidence of Indian involvement in Baluchistan, yet we have kept the rhetoric fairly mild at our end. Again, my point is that there is a visible difference we’re seeing in the coverage of the Bombai attacks. Just turn the Indian channels up for a second to get an idea of how they have gone out on a limb to pin Pakistan.

    At least this sort of bashing has’nt been reciprocated in Pakistan. I rest my case.

  92. Wadood says:
    November 29th, 2008 10:43 am

    Unfortunately, the governments on both sides have given in to their right-wing hawks. India, by falling under the pressure of the coming elections and the BJP and trying to act tough by blaming Pakistan and the Pakistan government falling under the pressure of its own right-wing opposition to retract the offer to send the ISI chief to India. Both of these developments are really for domestic reasons but are having very negative international consequences. I fear for how much worse things will get because I think the forces of hatred on both sides are beginning to take over the discourse.

  93. Javed Ali Khan says:
    November 29th, 2008 10:45 am

    The govt finger pointing has really become terrible and things are getting out of control. I think those people who want the two countries to fight shoudl be happy now!

  94. Babar says:
    November 29th, 2008 10:46 am

    @ Nik: I for one accept that Pakistan did bread terrorists and has been paying for it for last 10 years or more. So we had had our payback time.
    But its not at all pay back time for Pakistan “now”. You know the world was different in 2002. At this moment the west is just too keen to get out of this terrorism business as soon as possible. And india will be just too amazed to find that it has not much cheering, or interest for that matter, for any of its war plans by western world. And we know very well that india can not actually attack. All they can do is try to build up on the border to try to cripple Pakistani economy. But at this stage it will hurt indian economy more as there is already almost zero foreign investment in Pakistan.

  95. Proud Hindu says:
    November 29th, 2008 10:58 am

    This is the same line we have heard again and again. To be defensive and make excuses for terrorists. Everything any Pakistani writes about terror in India they justify it by mentioning Kashmir etc. Show me one, just one, statement from a Pakistani that condemns all terrorism and violence anywhere, without any reservations or justifications. Just one! Pakistanis are just not capable of doing that!

  96. nikhil says:
    November 29th, 2008 11:21 am

    Babar
    1. I recently mentioned this point about crippling pakistan economically in discussion with my friends and frankly if that causes some problem for Indian economy as well no indian would mind that.
    2. If only Pakistani govt. comes out and honestly accepts mistake it made over last few decades, every indian would forget everything (at least i would)
    3. India is far more economically stronger than pakistan and can sustain a war or some hardship of recession and every indian would happily endure such hardship. But can pakistan afford war at this stage?
    4. I am ashamed about gujrat riots and guys who did that are no better than terrorists. But when some pakistani talks about those please ask yourself an honest question. How many hindus are there in pakistan? How many hindus have been president of pakistan? How many hindus have been captain of pakistan cricket team?

  97. Saeeduzzaman says:
    November 29th, 2008 11:26 am

    Mr. Proud Hindu, Sir, have you even read the post you are commenting on!

    Please do!

  98. Faisal Mian says:
    November 29th, 2008 11:49 am

    Adil,

    Thank you for expressing the sentiments of a large majority of Pakistanis so nicely. Our heart goes out to every innocent victim of terror- without any qualifications. Yes, we are all Mumbaikars.

    regds,
    Faisal

  99. heer says:
    November 29th, 2008 12:28 pm

    i wish indians could come and see for themselves what Pakistanis are and how genuinely anguished they are.instead of playing their dirty blame game.

  100. Heer says:
    November 29th, 2008 12:48 pm

    zindagi ghum se ibarat hai meri
    ispe bhi shakk ki jisarat hai teri?

    my heart cries more for Pakistan, which is too troubled itself to b involved in such activities . i wish india would stop its madness.

  101. kamran says:
    November 29th, 2008 12:49 pm

    Dear Adil,

    Thank you for your thoughts–a true reflection of what many of us feel but are unable to articulate as eloquently as you have. This is a senseless massacre and no doubt we all stand in prayer and solidarity.

    Best,

    Kamran

  102. Angry Guy says:
    November 29th, 2008 1:10 pm

    Sad really sad. There is no justification of the losses of innocent men and women. The majority of the population of both the countries are living under the poverty line. It’s time to give a damn about them and quit all dirty games of politics.

    Peace is the way to go.

  103. ali says:
    November 29th, 2008 1:33 pm

    I am also saddened by the loss of human life.

    but im no mumbaikaar.

    im pakistani, from lahore.

  104. Riaz Haq says:
    November 29th, 2008 2:17 pm

    There is widespread and appropriately strong condemnation of the terrorists responsible for murder and mayhem in Mumbai. And there is powerful outpouring of sympathy for the innocent victims. There is also a lot of speculation as to the causes and culprits of the expanding scope and scale of terror the world is witnessing. Such speculation will likely continue as the governments of the world grapple with the rising threat to civilians everywhere in the world. It’s clear, though, that the use of military power alone as seen in America’s “war on terror” will not succeed. There is an urgent need for all to acknowledge the failure of the current “global war on terror” to come up with a better strategy that relies on a broader set of tools and options to overcome the growing menace. For more, please read http://www.riazhaq.com/2008/11/world-reacts-in-horror-as-terror.html

  105. Makarand says:
    November 29th, 2008 2:27 pm

    I am an Indian, and I just finished watching an interview with Mr. Ansar Burney on Sahara Samay Indian TV. I was thoroughly impressed by his views and touched by the sincerity of his comments. From the overwhelmingly positive comments and the overall goodwill extended on this site to Indians after the terrible tragedies in Mumbai, I for one have no doubt in my mind that Mr. Burney spoke for all Pakistanis in his unwaveringly humanitarian interview.

    The fact that he gave this interview in India despite the high-pressure situation there and the accusatory tone of the media in general and of the Samay interviewer specifically, goes to show the sincerity of his intentions. By the end of the interview, the Sahara interviewer was completely mesmerized and won over by Mr. Burney and while thanking him, wished that ordinary Indians had more of an opportunity to hear views like his above the din of negativity, suspicion, and distrust.

    India and Pakistan have come a long way in building a much-awaited bridge of frienship and trust and regardless of how the investigation into the Mumbai carnage turns out, I would like to remain hopeful that the thoughtless act by a few miscreants should not be generalized in India to be the will or deliberate actions of a people or nation, because as Heer as aptly said in his couplet earlier, either country really has so much suffering to deal with internally, that why would we even want to cause trouble in our neighbors’ homes…thanks to ATP readers for your comments of support and friendship.

  106. Harris Siddiqui says:
    November 29th, 2008 2:35 pm

    Loss of innocent human life is always sad no matter where it happens. My deepest condolences for the families of the victims.

    Having said that, this board reflects the deep hatred both sides have for each other thanks to a very colorful history. My position on India- Pakistan relations have been very simple. I don’t fall for the hollow calls for “friendship” and “peace” which is mostly emotional rhetoric coming from both sides. I only look forward to the day when both countries start respecting each other as worthy enemies. That is as far as we can go on bilateral relationship.

    I remain a proud Islamabadi.

  107. Farrukh says:
    November 29th, 2008 2:51 pm

    Haris Siddique, you are reading in the comments what you want to. Do a count, MOST comments from both side reject hate. If you stand with those who want to hate, then go ahead burn in your own anger. Maybe you and the Proud Hindu guy can party together since you think so similarly.

  108. Charakan says:
    November 29th, 2008 3:12 pm

    Great Post.As you said we, both Indians and Pakistanis are victims of terror. Terror can never be justified. Wish your blog post will get published in one of our newspaper.

  109. ShahidnUSA says:
    November 29th, 2008 5:46 pm

    I was born in a muslim household but I seldomly practice religion. I practice peace. I like all human beings and dont want to be disconnected with other human beings of other religion. I realise now that I am human first. I dont want any special treatment because I am muslim and vice versa. I respect all human beings unless they misbehave. My life is very peaceful. I cannot put that in more simple words than that. When I like to use simple words, why would I complicate my life with religion?
    But my Indian friend disagree with me and blames me a lot. He wants special treatment because he has a better job. He wants to set one sided rules and wants to dominate the converstion just like I used to treat my woman.

    There is always a distrust in the air. I dont blame him, I feel the same way when I am with my bangladeshi friend.

    I realise I used to be very mean and unfair with my bangladeshi friend, when he was my roommate. Now my kashmiri friend wants to move in with me, but I have to repair and fix my house and attitude first.

    My Indian and kashmiri friends fight with eachother a lot and I want to find a solution because I dont want to witness their madness and because I dont want to be a mumbaikar.

  110. Yasmin Wadood says:
    November 29th, 2008 6:41 pm

    Yes, the right wingers in both countries are using this to their advantage and trying to stoke the fires of hatred again. Sane voices like that of Adil Najam are too few and the voices of hatred are winning out. I pray for peace but I am really really scared.

  111. Sushil says:
    November 29th, 2008 6:45 pm

    Mr. Adil Najam. Being from Bombay I really appreciate your lovingly written piece. I know that some of my fellow Indians will in tehir anger lash out at even you but I want you to know that your words mean a lot to many many of us Indians who want safety and peace for everyone. Thank you for these thoughts.

  112. Amitabh says:
    November 29th, 2008 6:51 pm

    One of the best and most honest analysis of why Mumbai was attacked, by whoever:
    http://desicritics.org/2008/11/29/142145.php

  113. iFaqeer says:
    November 29th, 2008 7:32 pm

    From an earlier time, still relevant today as BOTH Mumbai and Karachi bleed:

    http://blog.ifaqeer.com/2006/07/thought-for-mumbaikars.html

  114. Faraaz says:
    November 29th, 2008 8:06 pm

    Adil Najam and Saeeduzzaman,
    I thank you for saying the things that you did…I wish more and more people heard you and thought like you..

  115. Harris Siddiqui says:
    November 29th, 2008 8:09 pm

    Farrukh,

    This “peace”, “friendship” and “brotherhood” talk is utterly meaningless when looked through the glass of reality. The fact is that both countries spend $ billions to defend themselves from each other. We have built nukes to erase our nations from the face of the earth. At any given moment there are thousands of soldiers on the border with their guns pointed at each other.

    Hatred amongst the two nations is not a new phenomenon and if you think that it will just evaporate then you are living in fool’s paradise.

    I strongly believe that there will never be enough trust between the two countries to have long lasting peace and I stand by my previous comments that the best we can hope for is mutual respect as worthy enemies.

  116. Naresh says:
    November 29th, 2008 8:11 pm

    I’m an Indian, and I do think that it is unfair on the part of Indians to point fingers at Pakistan every time there is an attack – I think this is a hangover from the days when the Pakistan Government openly offered “moral and diplomatic” support to terrorists, and there was evidence of terrorist training camps in Pakistan.

    I would like to believe that things have changed; in fact, the numerous attacks in Pakistan seem to me to be proof that terrorists aren’t all that popular in Pakistan. Thank you, Adil, for your kind words. These are really bleak times, and let us hope and take steps to ensure that we do not have to experience such an emptiness again.

  117. Rasheed says:
    November 29th, 2008 8:21 pm

    To all my Indian sisters and brothers, please accept my heartfelt sympathies for these terrible actions by some lowlives, who resort to such heinous crimes against humanity when they can’t get things to go their way. And thanks Adil, for putting it in a way that many of us can only wish we had said it. I was glued to the news for the whole period that this tragedy was unfolding .. I have believed for a long time, and continue to believe – and I know some would call me crazy for this view – that we are all one nation. We have so much in common that we should actively struggle against the forces of division and hatred to actually move toward REUNIFICATION as a nation. Literally. I don’t say this lightly – after having lived in Asia, Africa, Europe and America – I have seen great uniformity amongst our people. Please keep your hopes up. I envision a better day for a combined, beloved IndoPakistan, where one would not have to live in constant fear of an attack by a neighboring nation or terrorists ascribed to one nation trying to destroy the Peace of the other, Inshallah, if Bhagwan Wills!

  118. Babar says:
    November 29th, 2008 9:11 pm

    Haris: “the best we can hope for is mutual respect as worthy enemies.”

    And how exactly you do that? Forgive me my lack of imagination but all I could think about were few classic world war movies scenarios. With tanks rolling every body dead and a few survivor saluting the brave dead from the other side and moving on to fight the next battle with martial anthems in the back ground. Do you have any better scenario in mind?

  119. baber says:
    November 29th, 2008 9:53 pm

    As a Pakistani I felt as much rage and sadness as my Indian friends did. Same incident could have happened in Karachi and some of my innocent family members could have died in the same way. I don’t care what political statements leaders of both the countries make. All I care is if it

  120. SHAHID KHAN says:
    November 29th, 2008 10:58 pm

    Sir: As Indian commandos finished off the last remaining terrorists at Nariman House in Mumbai, the crowds outside applauded the security forces for having ended the standoff. Men, women and children were queuing up to shake hands with the commandos, who were treated like heroes. I couldn

  121. Reshma says:
    November 29th, 2008 11:10 pm

    I completely agree with Naresh. I’m thankful that the majority of the posts on here are positive. I think the notion that Pakistanis and Indians are hateful of each other are outdated ones. Both countries have moved past those sentiments for the most part, and now want to co-exist peacefully and forge a meaningful friendship.

    We as human beings need to move past the animosity and instead begin to understand and learn from each other.

  122. Jean says:
    November 29th, 2008 11:17 pm

    Bless you for this post.

  123. Harris Siddiqui says:
    November 30th, 2008 1:07 am

    Babar,

    I don’t want to turn this in to a debate about the Indo- Pak relationship but I will explain what I mean by mutual respect some other time.

    One thing I do know is that “friendship” between the two is more like a mirage in a hot desert.

  124. J.S.T says:
    November 30th, 2008 1:41 am

    I hope that once the dust settles and we get more information, both Indian and Pakistanis will start focusing on the problem of terrorism and how to deal with it rather than playing the old blame game. I fear that with the coming Indian elections, the opposition in India will turn the heat up on the Indian govt and the Indian govt will turn up their aggressive statements on Pakistan to divert attention. The only ones who will benefit from this are the terrorists themselves and the more militant Indian parties themselves. Pakistan had made a good gesture by sending the ISI chief. It is unfortunate that this has been taken back under pressure from Pakistan military and right wing Pakistani parties. The best thing Pakistan can do is to change this decision and cooperate fully in the investigations. It is in Pakistan as well as India’s interests that we uncover who was behind this.

  125. Vikram says:
    November 30th, 2008 1:47 am

    First, as an Indian and a Hindu, I am thankful for these powerful and honest words of support. We need more like you on both sides.

    Second, I apologize for those Indians who have been attacking you for this on this site and also on many other where this has been reproduced (which shows how powerful your words are). They speak out of emotion of the moment and out of hurt.

    Third, many of us Indians do look and with justification towards Pakistan as the most likely source of this. I do not think the government in Pakistan was behind this at all. But there are too many of these terrorist groups who may have planned this from Pakistan and they will like it if Pak-India relations become worse.

    Fourth, I hope Pakistan will fully coopertae in the investigations and help find whoever is behind this. That will go a long way in fighting terrorism and also in better relations between India and Pakistan.

  126. raza ali khan says:
    November 30th, 2008 2:09 am

    Shahid Khan, you hit the nail on the head. The Indian response is cohesive, while we bicker. We are unable to tell friend from foe and unable to discern between amity and enmity.

    Harris is simply a realist. And there is a thousand years of hindu-muslim interaction in the subcontinent to support the realist position. Natural adversaries drink from the same pond but they don’t sing together.

  127. Kashmiri says:
    November 30th, 2008 2:59 am

    “On the contrary i am sure India has never trained militants to go and created terror on pakistani soil.”

    The Indian army has openly admitted to training and arming terrorist “counter-militant” groups like the Ikhwan to operate in Kashmir.

  128. Babar says:
    November 30th, 2008 3:59 am

    @ Shahid Khan I have been thinking about our SSG commandoes who fought at Lal Masjid all along this episode in india and couldnt help making a comparison ( though I didnt want to bring it up on this particular article). They finished the operation in a matter of hours and they were fighting with hundreds of terrorists and inside their home. Surely the competence and bravery was just at par or better than any special service of the world. No offence to the indian black cats who put their lives in danger for their country, but comparing the performance, the planning , execution and professionalism, the level of the SSGwas totally of a different league. And that made me feel a little more safer Even the very sympethatic foriegn media was amazed at the indian execution of the operation , the way they were firing blindly from the windows in, and it seemed they had no capability of fighting at night ( and they call them elite forces).

  129. Babar says:
    November 30th, 2008 4:11 am

    To the indian friends: Somehow I am not seeing any positive view about Pakistan on indian media or foriegn media from the indians. Every body wants the head of Pakistan ( and they think they can realy whip pakistan into order). Why do you think only this side is being projected?

  130. November 30th, 2008 5:44 am

    Well said SHAHID KHAN, the ambivalence (or latent support) towards those who would destroy your land, has lead to the Army being the villains, even when they do try to do the right thing.

    Whether any civilian can ever get full control of the ISI is probably the key to Pakistans future … interviews in the New York Times by Carlotta Gall, reported former ISI operatives admitting that parts of the agency were trying to stop attacks by militants, that others in the same organisation were still financing.

    You should maybe have a look at this article.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/7756583.stm

  131. Kiran Dev says:
    November 30th, 2008 6:03 am

    Whatever is going on now a days in Karachi is not because of MQM, PPP or any other political issue. This has something to attach with Mumbai terrorist activities.

    There are agents in Pakistan who seem to be involved in eruption of recent violence in Karachi. They would have triggered a fire and now it’s spreading all over the city.

    Well, they have done their job, but what was so sure that killing at one or places will ablaze the entire city? The answer is unity.

    Indeed Pakistanis are not united, they usually see, enjoy and react on a show but don’t care what is a reality behind the show.

    Pakistanis are talented nation, but this is not enough if they are not united (anywhere in the world) and always criticize their country i.e. people, things, culture, history, almost everything. They don’t show sympathy towards each other, they are not patriotic in reality. These are enough factors to bring a chaos among them, without seeing a big picture.

    This recent show violent activities in Karachi seem to continue, Mumbai has sympathy of the world and will recover soon but Karachi (as part of Pakistan) does not.

  132. Shahzad says:
    November 30th, 2008 6:34 am

    There’s a few things which have crossed my mind since this incident began and would like to share them with all.Something like this is bound to stoke passions on either side but I hope we can all be civil in our arguments. Here goes:

    -The majority of terrorist attacks so far associated with militant organizations i.e. AlQaeda, LeT etc have been suicide bombings. The rest have been the use of timed devices etc, essentially leaving little probability of any of the perpetrators being caught alive.
    -The gunmen in Mumbai on the other hand came in wearing no face masks.(As per reports of nearly all major news organizations the attacks seem to have been well planned, the attackers would therefore have known they would be caught on security cameras.)
    -The communications equipment they used namely the cellphones and satellite phones were easily found along with incriminating evidence such as the calls allegedly placed to Pakistan.
    -While a majority of the gunmen were killed, at least one seems to have been caught alive and is apparently cooperating with the authorities. In the past these guys have preferred being shot up then being caught.

    I am no expert on these things, but it seems whichever organization they may have worked for wanted to make sure that Indian authorities could easily connect the dots back to Pakistan. This to me is a deliberate change in tactics to ensure that maximum harm is done to Pak-India relations especially with the current talks that were going on between the two countries.

    I am also quite surprised at the way Indian authorities have been releasing updates to the media. Normally any information on evidence found is not disclosed till the investigation is well underway. There have already been images broadcast of the satellite phone used along with the call log. While I am not advocating any media censorship, release of such information right in the midst of a tragedy doesn’t help in calming the masses. If the Indian govt were to find even more damning evidence, wouldn’t it be prudent to just share it with the Pakistani authorities privately and then demand action.

    Inflaming the passions of a billion some people doesn’t bode well for peace.

    May cooler heads prevail.

  133. Zaheer Khan says:
    November 30th, 2008 8:47 am

    Our heart goes out to all the freinds and relatives of the innocent victims in Mumbai – who went through this ordeal and were killed unjustifiably by the cowards . As any peaceful person, we denounce all such violence with our full might and fully condemn this vile act, which has caused the death of peaceful Indians of all stripes and foreigners in Mumbai. In our view, there is no cause which justify killing of any human being in any city, place or abode.

    We mourn with all and would urge to all Indians to not rush into judgements and keep the communal peace in India and promote the peace process alive with the help of the newly elected govt. in Pakistan. Any other actions, such as threats and calls for mutual annihilation won’t help anybody and bring further, least of all those brave souls who gave their lives in this mayhem.

    In their memory, let’s resolve that will defeat these terrorists and extreme elements within our socieites.

    Zaheer Khan
    Convenor, Council of Concerned Pakistanis Abroad
    Montreal, Quebec Canada

  134. Babar says:
    November 30th, 2008 10:38 am

    @Kiran seems like you are saying Pakistanis are more open minded. You know its not realy good to be single tracked , kind of kills new ideas and stuff.

  135. Watan Aziz says:
    November 30th, 2008 12:25 pm

    To the universal lady in the photograph:

    Your dry tears represent all of us, everywhere. You look into the distant nothing; searching for clues on why this madness? Your silent cry calls the humanity to enough is enough. Your determined composure in an unfolding chaos demand that cool heads prevails. You universally represent a sister, a daughter, a wife and above all, a life-giving mother.

    You represent us all, everywhere and anywhere where terror has stricken on ordinary people. Some are unpronounceable and unknown places, others are well known and large cities. The ideology terror is universal. It purposes unchanged: to inflict pain with geometric levels of fear.

    These ideologies of hatred which are based on ignorance and stoked with fear and are fueled with militancy. Universally, they must be confronted.

    These demagogues demonize the other and peddle falsehoods. Universally, they must be opposed.

    These false prophets twist not only their own beliefs but also that of the other. Universally, they must be faced down.

    These people do not belong to, nor respect any race, religion, nation or state; they debase them. Universally, they must be taught empathy for humanity.

    These believers of inflicting maximum pain with minimum effort. Universally, they need to learn equity and justice.

    Is goodness a monopoly of a single nation; or is badness exclusive to another? Can humanity sustain this ideology of ignorance and fear? Madness? Should the 24/7 media give more time to destruction and less time to construction?

    Do we need to explore and move away from the two failed models: the UN (and negotiations) on one hand and terror-militancy on the other? Has either solved the problems, or offered solutions? Do talks about talks and talks for the sake of talks on one hand and death and destruction as a reason for eliminating the other (teaching them a lesson) working models?

    We must change our methods of conversation. We must come together with an understanding that if you kill one, you kill the entire humanity. We must find a new model with core beliefs of dignity, empathy, justice and equity for everyone, everywhere. This is the universal truth that needs no language translations or interpretations. We cannot afford another day without it.

    Does the wind not mixes India

  136. Qureshi says:
    November 30th, 2008 2:21 pm

    I hope that as things settle and more information become available, Indian will also start looking at what has really happened rather than just repeat the slogans being fed to them. No matter who did this terrible thing in Mumbai (many Indians think there is a Pakistani hand) or who is behind the killings in Karachi today (Many Pakistanis think there is an Indian hand), they all want the same thing as right wing political parties in India and Pakistan – they want Pakistan-India relations to become worse. They all have that in common.

  137. VENKAT says:
    November 30th, 2008 3:03 pm

    I think the Indian Media has played a negative role in this whole affair and because they did not have any real information to discuss they have stoked the fires of hatred. I hope this will stop soon and we will get to the truth.

    Thank you Adil Najam for these words. They inspire confidence and hope in all of us.

  138. Gugi says:
    November 30th, 2008 3:24 pm

    Venkat you have betrayed the nation by supporting these pakistani people…Indians are at a massive campaign online to check traitors like you..

  139. Rasheed says:
    November 30th, 2008 3:54 pm

    Nawa-i-Waqt’s editorial asks why Chief Karkare was among the first targets. I’m curious, too. Makes one wonder why “Pakistani” terrorists looking to kill Westerners would get involved in local Indian politics. Either this is hard to believe or the terrorists were evil geniuses in their preparatory reconnaisance. Or, was he just in the wrong place at the wrong time – being more visible to them as an organizer of the police forces. Still not sure what they were to gain by targeting Karkare, though. In any event, from what they are saying, he seems to have been a good man and his departure seems like a terrible loss.

  140. m0j0 says:
    November 30th, 2008 4:08 pm

    @gugi
    Chill out mate! I am an Indian & if you really are one then I believe that you are doing a bigger disservice to the nation by stoking misunderstandings and hatred between well-meaning Indians & Pakistanis.

    @Others
    I really don’t know with certainty about who carried out the Mumbai massacre and why. I must add that presently I do reckon that it might have been some renegade elements within Pakistan but not the Pakistani govt. and definitely not the posters on this forum. Even if this is the case, I am glad and heartened to discover that the people who perpetrated this mayhem do not command popular support across Pakistan.

    Such forums play a pivotal role in maintaining mutual understanding within our two nations. Finally I hope that we are able to tackle this scourge of terrorism with minimal impact on our mutual relationship and by avoiding useless political rhetoric.

  141. Arjun says:
    November 30th, 2008 4:55 pm

    I’m a Mumbaikar by birth and upbringing, and most of us are completely lost as to the motive behind this random killing done in the name of Islam – from 70-year-old couples to babies, from Muslims, Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Jews, atheists, why? I don’t believe Indians have ever done this to Pakistanis ever in history! And I think the illwill that Pakistan has earned now from the victim’s families will show up as a curse for Pakistan and Pakistanis going forward.

    I don’t buy the ‘pakistanis are not responsible, it’s the extremists’ argument because Pakistan collectively is responsible for harboring and nourishing such people.

    Karma’s effects will become evident as time goes by.

  142. nrsimha says:
    November 30th, 2008 5:59 pm

    To all my freinds here

    I am from Mumbai, born and brought up in Mumbai. My mother was born in Karachi.

    I have been an avid reader of this blog and also of the dawn newspaper, just to have a balanced view of pakistan.

    My mother’s father used to tell me that Mumbai was not that good for his business at the time and so he was living and doing business in Karachi.

    But at the time of partition he left Karachi for living in Mumbai like many of his other friends and then they prospered in Mumbai also.

    Myself having left Mumbai now for some years, living and working abroad, i have met many pakistanis, and they are some of my best friends.

    Its strikes me how similar we are.

    Now i am going to rant a little, i beg for forgiveness in advance in case what i say hurts any one’s feeling…

    We indians and pakistanis are similar, we love our mothers and fathers, will do so much for our families, we love the same kind of spicy food, etc..

    We are intensely protecive about our children and anyone who seeks our shelter. We may even give up our lives protecting those in our shelter.

    Why then, all this fight ? I do not understand even a fig’s worth why all this fight ?

    My thoughts are:-
    1) Let a Hindu become the best Hindu and go back home back to God.
    2) Let a Muslim become the best Muslim and go back home back to God.
    3) Let a Sikh become the best Sikh and go back home back to God.
    4) Let a Christian become the best Christian and go back home back to God.
    5) Let a Jew become the best Jew and go back home back to God.
    6) Let an Atheist or Agonistic person become a very good Human being and i being a believer ask for God’s full mecry on them.

    And for the very limited time that we have this life here, a max of 100 years, let us all live happily together and help as much as we can to end suffering, hunger, malnutirition, slavery, etc…

    If there is a God, would he like all of us his children to hate each other so much. Some of us are parenst here, ask yourself how hurt you would feel to see your children hate each other and ready to kill each other.

    We may say, hey that is wrong, we do not personally hate any one.

    But my next question is what are we doing collectively to stop this hate ?

    Let us ask have we ever supported anyone who says my family is best, my tribe is best, my country is best, my skin color is best, my religion is the best, my God is best, and so on…

    Can we not see that the above is just an extension of our childish false ego.

    Change starts with each of us as an individual, then a family, then a tribe, then a nation, and so on…

    Oh! how much potential is there is the people of south asia and how much is being lost due to this senseless violence..

    I will end my rant here.

    I also sincerely pray for the people of pakistan, the people of india, and also the people of the world.

    I also pray that the terrorists give up their bad ways, by the help of God, they also help other souls to attain salvation and mecry of God.

    Is this too far fetched, well as far as i know from history , it is difficult but not impossible.

    There was a bandit named valya and it is said used to kill people and take pleasure in their suffering. Maharshi Narad took pity on valya, and some how tricked him into chanting the name of Lord Rama, He could only chant “mara mara” as that is what he had heard the most while killing so many people.

    Maharshi Narada, understanding the situation said, ok chant “mara mara mara mara ” which when chanted together sounds like “Rama Rama Rama Rama “. He got so purified that after this valya would not even hurt an ant.

    In the furture he became none other than, the compiler of the Ramayana, Maharshi Valmiki, by whose inspiration, millions of souls including great people like Sage Tulasidas attained salvation.

    So may the evil intentions of the terrorists die, while may they themselves become humble souls.

    Thanks to Adil for this post.

    Nrsimha

  143. Arjun says:
    November 30th, 2008 6:54 pm

    BTW, I forgot to mention, Adil, that I and many of us do appreciate your words of solidarity and prayer.

    We too feel for the terrorist attacks that Pakistanis themselves have had to face, like the recent one at the Marriot.

    However, India has to be shown to be deterring such attacks, otherwise they will continue forever.

    I wish you, individually, well.

  144. zees says:
    November 30th, 2008 11:43 pm

    Pakistanis are horrified by this disgusting act of terror in Mumbai. No amount of grievance or political dissatisfaction can justify murder or violence. I think what we need to realize is that there are extremist groups in Pakistan, no doubt about it but to say that “Pakistanis collectively” support them is not right. Our successive govts have NOT stopped these people who also have terrorized Pakistanis, pakistani police, military, and tribal elders who are meeting to discuss how to stop this sickness.We Pakistanis are mad at our govts that have harbored them, nourished them and now these groups are out of control. I pray for the day that around the world govts have the courage to speak out against extremism abroad and in their midst.

  145. Ashoke says:
    December 1st, 2008 1:01 am

    Thank you Adil Najam. These are wonderful thoughts and are greatly appreciated.

    We have hatemongers on our side as well as yours but I am sure that the majority of people on both sides think of peace and good relations.

    I remember feeling like just what you feel when people have been dying in Islamabad in the bombs there. I appreciate your words tremendously.

  146. December 1st, 2008 1:25 am

    I am just so angry and helpless. I don’t know if many pakistanis ( even many Indian Muslims) think and feel like you do. I have only noticed denial and self justification and that makes me feel worse. I wish there were more like you. One is not enough.

  147. Hiralal says:
    December 1st, 2008 1:29 am

    I think the media in our country has really been bad this time and because they were not given enough access they just went jingoistic and have been fueling speculation and empty theories. Apart from Pakistan, I think the impact on Indian Muslims has been very very bad and this will come back to haunt us.

    Meanwhile, I thank you Mr. Najam for these wise and nice words. They are very soothing for those of us who have seen our greatest city being targeted like this.

  148. Umar Shah says:
    December 1st, 2008 2:49 am

    May the souls of those who died in Mumbai rest in peace. I am appalled at the loss of life & violence in that city but at the same time cannot comprehend Indian medias response and blame game. I am pleasantly surprised and cautiously optimistic at the peaceful overtures by some Indians on this blog also but at the same time would encourage the Indians to ask themselves logically, what motive would Pakistan have to do this? It is becoming an old Indian habit now for blaming Pakistan for all of its internal problems. Everytime something like this happens, a perpetrator is arrested in the end and he sings Pakistan’s name like a bird. This theme doesnt carry weight anymore. There were times when the dead terrorists were found with Pakistani ID cards in their pockets and this time it was a determined group of desperados who were so reckless and suicidal and held hostages for several days, killed so many innocent people, fought the Indian security forces and then died in the aftermath -but one lived to name Pakistan? I find that a plot of a Bollywood movie. I think eventually terrorism needs to be solved jointly by both Pakistan and India because both countries are suffering and whether it’s 1 person or 200 people, every life is important and must be protected from those who dont value anything. Logic must prevail.

  149. Tariq Sayeed Khan says:
    December 1st, 2008 2:55 am

    I do not know if this comment will be censored under ATP policy, but I will give it a try anyways. You wrote, “Nor can I imagine any cause that would justify this.” I can imagine several scenarios. How about watching your family being butchered in front of your eyes for starters, or your wife raped by several men in front of your eyes, or children murdered one by one front of your eyes, or watching your house and all your worldly possesions burn right in front of your eyes while you plead to the police to do something and they ignore you. I could go on, but i think i have made my point. And although I condemn this attack just like you, as i hate any sort of violence justified or not, I am also human and can look at this event from the other perspective.

  150. SD says:
    December 1st, 2008 5:18 am

    Its clear that you have written this from your heart as it was indeed very touching. I am an indian and a mumbaikar but at the same time as your president said to indian media last week there is a pakistani as well in my heart. I understand how much disheartening it would be for any pakistani to stand this media hype and blame game. pakistani leaders have come up with some very sensible statements.

    as an indian and mumbaikar i am upset as this attack exposes how weak is the coastal security preparedness for the financial capital of india, despite the fact that in 1993 dawood ibrahim smuggled rdx to india by sea route that led to the mumbai blasts. not much has been done to upgrade the security since then.

    until investigations arent over it wont be clear who was behind these attacks and till then it would be wise not to indulge in any speculations.

    yes issues cant be left on backburner and kashmir issue needs to sorted out sooner and a solution should be reached that is acceptable to both india pakistan and kashmiri people.

    nothing justifies human right violations by security forces and we need to take measures to prevent those and punish those who are guilty.

    i understand that laskar e taiba is a banned organization in pakistan. what i fail to understand is that how can it have an official spokesperson when it is banned. how can it be allowed to function if it is banned. it would be helpful to see that pakistan is serious about the ban that it had placed on it to be enforced in the right spirit till the investigations are completed. what i also cannot understand if why is the government of pakistan not been asked by its citizens these questions.

    if we claim that we understand each others grief we should also evolve a consensus in our countries to address each others concerns.

  151. Shakir says:
    December 1st, 2008 5:23 am

    Thank you Adil for verbalizing what many if not most of us are saying in our hearts.

  152. Vijay Goel says:
    December 1st, 2008 6:31 am

    I whole heartedly agree with SD and can also whole heartedly empathise with Tariq Sayeed Khan.They both together represent the two sides of the story.I however would like to humbly submit to Tariq not to believe in all the hyperbole and exagerration in which we all indulge in.I am sure that he will agree on calm reflection that humanity cannot degenerate to such inhumanness but our press and media can surely highlight some one or two instances and make it sound as the whole truth.But even so if there is an iota of truth in what Tariq says and again I do not deny that there is no iota of truth but even then whon has the right of retribution.Do the so called conscience keepers have that right to to inflict murderous misery on innocents who are far removed from the conscience keepers of the same ilk who perpetrated the same murderous crime on the same innocents.The so called conscience keepers living in their self glory think nothing of sacrificing innocent youth and use them as cannon fodder and for what end probably only they know.There can be no logic no arguement for this revenge and counter revenge.God did not create us for this.

  153. Rama Sikka says:
    December 1st, 2008 6:39 am

    Thank you for the article. It is rare or occassional that on the other side of the fence, one imagines feelings and outpouring such as yours.
    Thank you indeed my friend, for writing this and bringing it so close to me and in the process transforming my reality.
    I send You, everyone on the other side, this side, the world and the vast universe my earnest prayers.
    May joy and blessings of the Almighty always be with you.

  154. Baiju says:
    December 1st, 2008 6:44 am

    I’m an humble human being from India…i dont follow any particular religion. But at the same time i cant tolerate these kind of spineless act by the ‘cowards’ anymore. The views shared by one Mr. Babar here is something very immature. Neither country do not have the guts to start another war as long as they possess nuclear weapons. We fought 3 wars (in fact 4 including Kargil) in the past & everybody knows the outcome.

    Instead of showing solidarity in the hour of crisis, i dont know why people indulge in blaming each other & each countries that too on subjects like economy, war & stuff like that.

    Everybody knows the truth. Terrorists never allow these countries to unite & peace process between these two countries. Then where will they go to earn money? Their only way of big income is to indulge in these activities & kill themselves before killing innocent people in the name of God. So i would request both sides to show some maturity & support each other in cracking these cowards. Remember, you may be the next target. When they enter into your home & slap on your face, will realise how hard was the slap.

  155. Rama Sikka says:
    December 1st, 2008 6:53 am

    Dear Mr. Tariq, I was reading your post of, below my comment.I wonder what is the force behind people like Dalai Lama, whose country and its people have been facing barbarism at the hands of a mighty nation like China BUT who have not resorted to violent means.
    If one really follows their perspective, which is also the other side of the perspective, completely human as us. With Dalai lama’s perspective, his teachings, his words, another world will open up…I am finding it very difficult finding words to describe the courage and wisdom initiated,executed and followed by him and his followers against the non-stop inhuman and barbaric attacks of china against their culture and roots.
    I wonder what is the light in that man, that makes thousands of his follwers at least try and imbibe in themselves as well.
    Hope you shall respond to this.
    In His joy and peace,
    Rama

  156. Vijay Goel says:
    December 1st, 2008 9:22 am

    I just read Mr.Watan Aziz’s article and wholeheartedly repeat wholeheartedly agree with him and wd request 24/7 to be more constructive.Pakistan Zindabad and Jai Hind

  157. Deepak says:
    December 1st, 2008 9:38 am

    I thank all for your sympathy. A few loony voices cannot drown the voices of reason.It his my hope,that in our lifetime,we will be able to rid this planet of the scourge of terrorism.Human life is precious, and no religion,creed or doctrine supersedes it.I do hope that we all live to see a better day.

  158. Satish says:
    December 1st, 2008 10:05 am

    I am deeply touched by the gentle tone of right thinking men and women of Pakistan on this site. The last thing I would like to do is inflame passions but would like to make two points:

    1. I realize the Indian government has a tendency to blame Pakistan every time a terror attack takes place but the Pakistani establishment (read: military and ISI) is always in denial. In 1999 ISI planned, executed, supported the hijacking of IC 814 through Mr Cheema, welcomed Masood Azhar in Kandahar and drove him straight into Pakistan. And then denied the whole thing. Mastermind of 1993 Mumbai blasts and international terrorist Dawood Ibrahim lives in a palatial house in Karachi where any taxi driver can take you. But they deny his existence, Send army regulars in ‘mufti’ to the peaks of Kargil, call them Kashmiri Freedom
    Fighters until they are found with id cards and pay books and still deny the whole thing. Plan and execute the bombing of Indian embassy in Kabul and when even the Americans agree it was an ISI plot….deny the whole thing.
    This is the first time a fedayeen has been caught alive and he is singing like a canary! So what will they say? He’s been planted by RAW?

    2. Even if you put the morality of this attack aside it’s in the world’s interest that Pakistani armed forces be made to realize that the cost of such adventures is too high otherwise they will be tempted to try again. Whether we like it or not the LeT’s successful fidayeen attack on Mumbai is the best recruitment messages for hordes of impressionable Pakistani youth. You can almost hear the lunatics from the pulpit boasting that if 10 mujahideen could keep the Indian state at bay for 60 hours, imagine what a thousand could do. After Mumbai, jihadis will not recoil in horror at the devastation their colleagues have done; they will intensify their campaign and engage in competitive bravado. And it won’t be limited to India…….there are many countries with a long unguarded coastline and an inept government! Retribution in this case is necessary….not for revenge but to drive home a clear message.

    Please think about it………

  159. wellwisher says:
    December 1st, 2008 10:19 am

    It feels good their to see so many people express their views of solidarity. These feelings and words must translate into action.

    Will the people in Pakistan and India stand up against all forms of violence? We see and hear stories of violence against the various religions and sects within the same religion, against women, against old and young. What about the passive terrorism against the poor that we all perpetuate on them either directly of indirectly?

    Real action is required to channel the positive energy into concrete goals of curbing and overturning the vicious tide of intolerance, hatred, and injustice.

    Any takers to run with the idea of coming up with a concrete plan of action?

  160. Harish says:
    December 1st, 2008 11:34 am

    After Reading your Post,i recollect the recent comment made by President of Pakistan where he said”In every indian there is a pakistani and in every pakistani there’s an indian” . I would Request you to Post your Comments at blog.blogadda.com where we are having a discussion on the same and it would be our pleasure to know what people from other side of the MAN MADE BORDER think..

  161. December 1st, 2008 1:25 pm

    We are with Mumbai..

  162. Aamir Ali says:
    December 1st, 2008 1:48 pm

    I condemn this attack in Mumbai.

    However when Indian govt claims that they found ID cards, letters to Pakistan or “playbooks” on dead terrorist bodies, that is called manufactured evidence.

  163. mrizvi says:
    December 1st, 2008 3:05 pm

    Adil: I was very sad at this immense loss of life in Mumbai but I am totally heartbroken by this politics of hate and blame. When will this end? You seem to be the sole voice of reason in world around me today ( can’t speak for others). I am proud to be associated with Pakistaniat. You made me proud!

    Regards

  164. Girish says:
    December 1st, 2008 3:31 pm

    While I appreciate the sincere tone in Adil’s article, I don’t really know if his thoughts are representative of Pakistani opinion. Here is a really provocative set of folks on mainstream television in Pakistan.

    http://www.hotklix.com/?ref=content/152704

    There are the typical proforma statements of sympathy with the victims, but simultaneously there is tacit support for terrorism amongst the Pakistani news media and Government officials. There is no acknowledgement of the well-known fact that these terrorist tanzeems were created, funded and supported by the Pakistani Government.

    The current Govt. of Pakistan may not have ordered these attacks, but it continues to tolerate the presence of anti-India terrorists and their organizations. To paraphrase a panelist on an NPR radio show I heard today, if you breed a pitbull with the intention of hurting others, train it to attack people, even create a breach in your fence to allow it to get out and then when it does attack your neighbor, your defence that you did not order the pit bull to attack the neighbor will not be accepted by any court.

    Any taxi-driver in Karachi will lead you to the house that Dawood Ibrahim built there. Pakistani magazines themselves have written about his presence in the city. Any Lahori knows where Muridke is and where terrorists of the Lashkar-e-Tayyaba are trained even today. Nobody is unaware of the fact that Maulana Masood Azhar operates with impunity in Pakistan – this was a person who was released from prison in exchange for hostages of the Indian Airlines plane hijacked to Kandahar. He openly held rallies in Karachi where his supporters help up Kalashnikovs and promised to rain terror on India and Indians. These organizations have an avowed aim of planting the Pakistani flag on the Red Fort in Delhi and converting India into an Islamic caliphate. They did not even shy away from claiming credit for terrorist attacks until 2002, when it became inconvenient for the Pakistani Govt.

    I don’t believe that Pakistanis are unaware that these terrorists are nurtured and continue to be nurtured by the Government of Pakistan. Yet, it gets to me that people here continue to lie and deny these well-known facts. It bothers me that people continue to see benefits in a “run with the hare and hunt with the hounds” approach perfected by the Pakistani army. They are blind to the fact that such an approach has brought Pakistan to the edge of the precipice and poses an existential threat to their own country.

    We in India have several of our own issues to fix. While this is not the place or time to discuss it, these issues are acknowledged both officially and by civil society and there are enough people talking about it and forcing the authorities to take action, howsoever belated and inadequate it might be. We have our extremist fringe, but it is a fringe nevertheless. It appears to me that the center of Pakistan’s civil society is at about the same level as our extremist fringe. Correct me if I am wrong.

  165. December 1st, 2008 4:26 pm

    Adil,

    I share your grief.
    I have done some analysis of the situation while the focal point remains the blame game started in the aftermath of this unfortunate incident.

    Please allow me to share my thoughts with you and your readers. Here is the URL to my commentary of this incident:

    http://bkhan.wordpress.com/2008/12/01/mumbai-terror-shining-india-vs-rogue-pakistan/

  166. S.Bones says:
    December 1st, 2008 7:34 pm

    I write this in response to “Umar Shah”
    “what motive would Pakistan have to do this?”

    Understand this, the main motives are to:

    1) unify the people of Pakistan if there is military aggression by India

    2) Have an excuse to turn away from the US ‘war on Terror’ as Pakistan was only pretending to be interested in that front

    3) If there is a military response from India then the Jehadi elements in Pakistan (taliban, etc) will profess support for the Army, ISI and possibly even the Civilian government.

    4) The non Democratic elements in Pakistan want to return to the “old ways” of the common and unifying(Imaginary) enemy of India and the Military industrial complex of Pakistan

    Pakistan’s only hope is the majority of its people stand by its elected government and root out the rest. I know India will do what it can to get the Pakistani Government to act genuinely against the disease of its own creation. This has to be achieved without undermining the Pakistani Government.

  167. Ali Dada says:
    December 1st, 2008 7:57 pm

    It is very sad what happened in Mumbai and even sadder the killings in Karachi.

    However, while we feel the pains of victims of terror, lets not forget that we (Pakistanis) too are victim of it.

    India has been acting very hostile and aggressive towards Pakistan for past year or two. Their current handling of the situation is very upsetting to say the least. There own media is running 100s of different reports – Indian officials are busy playing PR stunts for the benefit of their political parties.

    Current situation will calm down once India realizes that it cannot and should not mess with a nuclear armed nation and US realizes that their supplies to Afghanistan go through Pakistan.

    For those Indians who talk about unification:

    Sure, we Pakistanis have absolutely no problem – India can join Pakistan any day.

  168. December 1st, 2008 8:29 pm

    @Girish:

    Girish, you are wrong in two counts:

    1: Every Pakistani feels the same as Adil described
    2: There are no camps of Lashker-Tayiba anymore, they are banned and every common Pakistani has suffered a lot in their hands.

    Masood Azhar, yes, you are right. Why he couldn’t be arrested, I don’t know maybe somebody else could shed light on it. Dawood Ibrahim, a Bombay Don, may be important for you guys, but he is nobody in Pakistan and no cabby will drive you there or even know him. Talk to UAE government they might help you.

    Also your link to a channel is not mainstream media and there can be hundreds of links be posted as what kind of hysteria Indian media is going through. Guys, first investigate then blame. Not so fast!
    @S. Bones

    Your assertions are too naive to be responded. But this article might help you some of the dynamics as why Pakistan cannot/will not do this kind of act.

    http://bkhan.wordpress.com/2008/12/01/mumbai-terror-shining-india-vs-rogue-pakistan/

  169. ylh says:
    December 1st, 2008 10:52 pm

    Girish,

    You are wrong. I’d say Indian society is where our extremist fringe is.
    While Pakistan’s track record is not clean vis a vis terror in India, this attacks has all the markings of the Hindu right wing.

    I have read a lot of what your compatriots are saying and I must say I am very disappointed.

  170. VARUN says:
    December 1st, 2008 11:24 pm

    Unfortunately this thread has degenerated into the same old fingure pointing and blame game. Amazing how easy it is for politicians and propagandists on both sides to make fools of people. They all seem to be parrottng the same messages of hate that they have been hearing.

    Sad that in this the message of solidarity and humanity that Adil Najam had started with is lost. We need many many more Adil Najam’s in India as well as Pakistan.

  171. Amina Ghani says:
    December 1st, 2008 11:34 pm

    Excellent post. Bravo Adil Bhai. I salute you for your courage to do this despite all the abuse hurled at you by Pakistani and Indian bigots. Yes, humanity trumps all else. Bravo.

  172. S.Bones says:
    December 1st, 2008 11:45 pm

    @Bahadar Ali Khan.

    Pointing to the same article in your post which I had had read earlier does not prove your point. I can drill so many holes in it yet I will not waste my time.

    Some of the bullet points I made have already started appearing in the Pakistani media. e.g. the support of the Civilian government by the Taliban has been already proposed on condition the Pakistani army stops operations against them. I also read somewhere since writing my little opnion that Pakistani army has threatened to cease operations in western border and move to eastern border. I guess I maybe naive according to you but my points are coming true.

    Regardless all this does not matter it is just my final point (support democracy) that needs to be headed else I forsee little future for the Pakistani state in its current form.
    Time will prove who is naive.
    Thanks for your time.

  173. ARUN says:
    December 1st, 2008 11:46 pm

    The real enemy of Pakistan as well as India is hatred. Lets all stand against all hatred. Thank you for these moving words.

  174. Umer says:
    December 1st, 2008 11:50 pm

    I am very disappointed in the Indian and now the Pakistani media for spreading hate and anger and for people to buy this crap so easily. Like always Indians as well as Paksitanis have just bought all the nonsense their media is feeding them. What fools we all are to be puppets in the hands of these media people.

  175. auk says:
    December 1st, 2008 11:57 pm

    Analysis by Khurram Iqbal of Rajaratnum school in Singapore about the Mumbai attacks.
    http://tinyurl.com/6cqbwg
    India needs to wait for investigations to complete before jumping to any conclusions about those behind these attacks.

  176. Girish says:
    December 2nd, 2008 12:01 am

    Bahadar Ali: why don’t you post just one link to an Indian TV news show that comes even close to the Pakistani TV show I posted in terms of open display of bigotry and fanaticism? The link I posted was to a TV channel that is ranked third in viewership.

    YLH: you are so prone to baselessly shooting off your mouth that there is no point in responding to you.

  177. Tariq Sayeed Khan says:
    December 2nd, 2008 2:19 am

    @Rama
    Yes you are right. He is an extraordinary man, and if everyone shared his philosophy of peace than we probably would have the menace of terrorism amongst us. My comment was aimed at Mr Najam (who is conspicuously absent from all this discussion) and that too at only one sentence out of his whole article (to which i agree, any loss of human life anywhere to unnatural causes is tragic). I condemn this attack with all my heart and soul.

    @ Satish’s post on December 1st, 2008 10:05 am
    No I will not think about it. Because if i do, then all sorts of others thoughts will come into my head. And I don’t want that. I want peace and harmony. I want the bloodshed to end.

    @S.Bones post on December 1st, 2008 7:34 pm
    I did not want to, but you have forced me to respond with emotion and not reason.

    “Understand this, the main motives are to:
    1) unify the people of Pakistan if there is military aggression by India”
    3) If there is a military response from India then the Jehadi elements in Pakistan (taliban, etc) will profess support for the Army, ISI and possibly even the Civilian government.”

    Pakistan or Pakistanis don’t need a motive to unite against military aggression from India. If there is aggression, all differences will be set aside and the people will unite. As I write these lines, the Tehreek-e-Taliban has announced that it can shift a million fighters to the eastern border.

    “2) Have an excuse to turn away from the US

  178. Muhammad Rizwan Malik says:
    December 2nd, 2008 3:45 am

    Let’s hope da Indian people really understand what terrorism means now…the same terrorism is practised by da Indian army in da Occupied Kashmir…hundreds ov innocents have been killed there by da Indian security forces…bt there was no international outcry…..nd da killing ov 195 ppl in mumbai has sparked so much….

    Discrimination in India is at its peak….

  179. AbuMaleeha says:
    December 2nd, 2008 9:13 am

    coincidentally the only guy pictured at 3 different locations is the one also caputred and is now singing like a canary.
    Was supposedly well armed with explosives so why didnt he blow himself up when captured and surrounded by a lynch mob..he was there to kill people wasnt he..?
    a well trained hardened criminal on a near suicide mission being captured after a blockade and gunshot to the hand…

    conincidences…reminds me of 9/11….
    wag the dog..

  180. Narendra says:
    December 2nd, 2008 9:48 am

    Thank you Adil Nijam for your kind words.
    I am from india and I can’t stop hating pakistanis for doing
    such a thing in mumbai. I am not against all pakistanis but
    there are some elements in your country who want to destroy us because we have a large hindu population.
    I only pray god that wisdom prevail with the Pak govt and
    they help us in stoping these elements from doing what they have done.
    GOD BLESS PAKISTAN

  181. wellwisher says:
    December 2nd, 2008 10:37 am

    The root causes must be addressed to achieve a true end to violence.

    “A Jihad Grows in Kashmir” http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/27/opinion/27mishra.html?n=Top/News/World/Countries%20and%20Territories/Kashmir

  182. Jyoti says:
    December 2nd, 2008 1:23 pm

    Adil ji,
    thanks for your kind words. When I first saw the news on tv channels the very first word that came to my mind was ” Marriott Hotel”. The tragedy was similar, only the place had changed.
    A few points and requests to our Pakistani friends:
    1. Please do NOT believes what the our TV channels are saying about Pakistan in relation to Mumbai terror attacks. Believe ONLY what the official , named sources say and are shown saying it on camera and read the full text. TV channels are looking at TRPs and saying whatever they can conceive/ imagine/ conclude. I am a Mumbaiite and I can recount hundreds of rumors that have been reported as “news” in the past 5 days. One example was “breaking news” on Friday afternoon reporting that there has been fresh firing on 4-5 spots in Mumbai. The tv channels named a hospital, railway station, some other places and senior anchors went berserk yelling how bad the situation was and how it was utter failure of intelligence agencies. It’s another matter that within 5 minutes it was clear that nothing of the sort had happened. Let me tell you, those 5 minutes were more horrible than the real attack.
    2. Indian government’s official statements are different than what TV channels are reporting them to be. Example: the very first public statement by our foreign minister Mr. Pranav Mukherjee. TV channels quoted him saying ” Pak involved in Mumbai attacks.” What I saw on their screen and heard from Mr. Mukherjee’s mouth was -” some elements in Pakistan are using the Pakistani territory for anti- India activities and Pakistan should fulfill its promise of stopping them.” He repeated these words many times, that Pakistan should fulfill its promise. NEVER saying that “Pakistan” was involved.
    3. There were some reports in media that India is mobilizing its force along the Pakistani border. Duly denied by defense ministry and the Foreign Minister.
    4. On Saturday, after the operations were over, one tv reporter showed footage of the crowd gathered at the Taj, talked to them and uttered these words-” There could have been shouts of Pakistan Hai- Hai, but people are instead shouting ” Politicians Hai- Hai.” This is the reality. When the security operations were over, people in Mumbai were baying for politician’s blood. They still are. One popular sms doing the rounds is ” those terrorists came by boat, what about those who come by vote.” People have said on camera that they are not bothered where the terrorists came from, they want an answer why the politicians failed to protect us.
    5. This evening, Mumbai’s police commissioner said in a press conference . ” There is no evidence so far about Pakistan’s involvement in Mumbai attacks.” He gave the information that yes, the terrorist had come from Karachi and one of the terrorists who has been caught alive seems to be Pakistani citizen. The exact words of our Police commissioner were -”. He is saying that he is from Pakistan, but we need to establish it.” Very careful words, never making assumptions, never saying that Pakistan was involved. But the tv channels flashed- Terrorist came from Karachi

  183. S.Bones says:
    December 2nd, 2008 2:31 pm

    @ Tariq Sayeed Khan. Then you agree with me. I am glad. The original question was to provide motive for the attacks.

    You have proved that the motive has been given and is working.

  184. December 2nd, 2008 2:51 pm

    Most people in the two countries want to be left alone to live in peace.

    Why are the moderate majority in the two countries so utterly ineffective and unable to navigate their destinies? I guess, it is because the majority is indifferent to the moral abyss that the two nations have fallen into. They are forced to make compromises to deal with the harsh realities of life on a daily basis. It is the same majority that chooses the worst among us as our leaders and the cycle perpetuates.

    Unless and until there is a grass root effort to get out of this rut, such violence will continue. The will of a people is the most effective weapon. Where is that will?

  185. lida says:
    December 2nd, 2008 4:10 pm

    I completely sympathize with our Indian Brethren and offers my deep condolences to the innocents that were killed.
    There is no justification for this act.
    I love my Indian brothers and I hope this act wil not derail the peace process.
    But I must say that the killing of Hemant KarKare is really suspicious and I see the Maharastra Govt. somehow involved in it. I don’t trust the politicians any where and I know BJP has gained from this act. And people like Narender Modi will also get stronger.

    I think the India congress party should do an independent inquiry.

    Justice should prevail and these murderers should be identified.

    Jiye Hind and Pakistan Zindabad!!!!

  186. Stunned says:
    December 2nd, 2008 7:18 pm
  187. siasb says:
    December 2nd, 2008 8:34 pm

    I sympathized with all indian. Looking closely to this attack i my self feel that it was not a terrorist atack it was traget killing. three important encounter specialist including one who disclose one of the indian army officer as well as Hindu extremist involvement in the past terror attack.
    One more aspect there were more than 200 foreigner in both these hotel if the terrorist really after foreigner why did they kill only few although they have a chance to do the maximum damage.
    If it was a terrorism why some of the minister resign by considering the fact that terrorism happend in high profile and well know intellegence equiped country like US and UK. The govt of india is not sincere, they come up with the same blaming game and turn the direction of media as well as inocent people.
    If we assume that all terrorist came from outside, is it so easy to do with out internal help? We did not sea any action from indian govt to find out internal supporter of these attack.
    To me this was all drama written and played by India Agency and force to kill the three specialist including Hemanant Karkary who really stood against the extremist in india.

    I wish if Hemanant Karkary alive he was the person who can disclose the truth behind the whole scene.

  188. Tariq Sayeed Khan says:
    December 3rd, 2008 12:13 am

    @S.Bones
    I never said I agreed with you. Where did I say I agree with you. Have I used the words “I agree with you”. No. I haven’t. I don’t think you have read my post properly.

    You and a lot of other posters here remind me of a popular song by Madonna. Frozen. The lyrics are below if you haven’t heard this song before. Please read carefully this time.

    “You only see what your eyes want to see
    How can life be what you want it to be
    You’re frozen
    When your hearts not open

    You’re so consumed with how much you get
    You waste your time with hate and regret
    You’re broken
    When your hearts not open

    Mmmmmm, if I could melt your heart
    Mmmmmm, wed never be apart
    Mmmmmm, give yourself to me
    Mmmmmm, you hold the key

    Now theres no point in placing the blame
    And you should know I suffer the same
    If I lose you
    My heart will be broken

    Love is a bird, she needs to fly
    Let all the hurt inside of you die
    You’re frozen
    When your hearts not open”

  189. S.Bones says:
    December 3rd, 2008 12:52 am

    Great a song as an answer..good input Tariq.
    You do not have to say that you agree with me. My original post was in response to the question: “what will Pakistan gain out of the Mumbai attack?” (By an earlier blogger)

    I replied by listing what they would gain.

    I just answered the question.

    My list is being proved to be correct.

    Current events agree with me. Also your response is proving that what they were to gain is being gained.

    Possibly a little complex for some.

    P.S. I am happy with the reasoning and love that is being projected by most posts here. Thanks, maybe all is not doomed.

  190. Me says:
    December 3rd, 2008 1:45 am

    I am an Indian.I wonder how pakistan can be so callous & casual in their terms of expression.Zardari says no proof of pak involvement,will not handover terrorists,need proof against dawood,masood azar!When the whole world stands in desperation to do something to combat terror,how casual seems your lands comment.Adil,hats off to you & thanks for feeling genuinely for the henious act.To be honest you are the only one among the pak lot,who reflected our pain.How many like you are there in pak? Why should we blame without reason,has it been thought anytime?Why everytime we look at you with doubt?Don’t pak feels the anguish & shame to looked upon that way but not just us,but whole world community?We are tired of our politicians.Aren’t you??Can’t civillians do something to help us by helling yourselves for your own safety?WHY SUCH CASUAL RESPONSE?Don’t you understand our pain?our anger?our suffering?Aren’t you human as well?WHY???Can you answer yourselves atleast?

  191. Tariq Sayeed Khan says:
    December 3rd, 2008 2:33 am

    Ok Fine. I agree there, but just to clarify, I don’t think Pakistan (and by Pakistan I mean the government and its ordinary citizens) has anything to gain by these attacks. Now before you say I am being hypocritical, just read on.

    All the reasons that you mentioned may be coming true, but they are the designs of anti-India elements. The people who do not want peace between India and Pakistan, but war. I think it would be true if I state that this is not the majority sentiment. My fellow Pakistanis can back me up on this.

    But again I would urge people to not just react, but be proactive and look at the root cause of all the terroism in the world. People say that all muslims are not terrorists but all terrorists are muslims, but just ask yourself why? Why is it that all terrorists are muslims? Ask yourself this question, what would compel a person to commit such henious acts? Why would somebody blow themselves up? We need to get to the root cause of the problem. I am not gonna tell you what that root cause is, because I don’t want to thrust my opinion on you, you are all intelligent people and have the power of the internet at your fingertips. Search and you shall find. The link to the NYTimes article (posted by wellwisher) below is a good start.

  192. Bhavana says:
    December 3rd, 2008 9:52 am

    Adil, Thank you for this beautiful article. It is very disappointing that most people have resumed the blame game here as well. Both India and Pakistan need more people like Adil.

  193. Riaz Haq says:
    December 3rd, 2008 11:37 am

    Since the attacks and widespread outpouring of condolences and condemnations in Pakistan and elsewhere, Indian government and media have started saber rattling against Pakistan. There are even calls for “doing a Lebanon” in Pakistan. Even if any credible evidence is found implicating Pakistanis in the Mumbai attacks, the Indian fantasy of “doing a Lebanon” is completely futile and misguided. Instead of military confrontation against each other, India and Pakistan must be persuaded to collaborate and together confront the terrorists who indiscriminately inflict pain and suffering on Indians, Pakistanis, the United States and the rest of the world. To read more, please read
    http://www.riazhaq.com/2008/12/can-india-do-lebanon-in-pakistan.html

  194. Ashok Punekar says:
    December 3rd, 2008 12:32 pm

    Why Pakistani people do not come on street against terrorism
    and give support like taday all Indian did.

  195. Pakistani says:
    December 3rd, 2008 1:44 pm

    For Asho Punekar

    Rallies against terrorism happen in Pakistan every week and sometimes everyday. Surprised you do not know about that. Maybe your media tries to hide them or some Indians ignore them purposely.

    http://www.thenews.com.pk/updates.asp?id=61596
    http://www.dawn.com/2008/07/01/nat37.htm
    http://www.dawn.com/2008/06/07/local14.htm
    http://www.dawn.com/2008/01/12/local21.htm

    I agree that people should say more. I think what would be great is if the ordinary people f India speak out against thge atrocities in Kashmir and Gujrat just like Pakistanis speak against terrorism. Maybe joint citizen rallies against attrocities in Kahmir and Gujarat and also against terrorism in Pakistan as well as in India. I think if citizens joined to raise their voice together in both countries then it will have real impact. We Pakistanis will keep on speaking against terrorism everywhere, just lie Adil Najam has done. We hope you will also raise your voices in protest against the attrocities in your own country.

  196. Vandana says:
    December 3rd, 2008 2:06 pm

    Dear Prof. Najam, I saw this article first on Desi Critics and tehn looks for more opinions by you on this blog and google and I am very happy to see that such a consistent voice for peace and understanding.

    I am very happy that you are spreading your message of reason and understanding beyond this blog also. I was happy to see your views on the blame game going on here:
    http://www.bu.edu/today/2008/12/02/mumbai-blame-game

    Along with the views here, they show that you are a true humanist and an honest voice for peace and understanding.

    Thank you.

  197. Farman says:
    December 3rd, 2008 2:18 pm

    Just wanted to second Pakistani’s response to Ashok Punekar. Pakistanis have been protesting against terrorism consistently. Just look at this blog. Or see this recent article:
    http://www.sacw.net/article350.html

    I would certainly support and join a joint India-Pakistan citizens movement that protests and speaks out against violence and killing and terrorism everywhere, in Mumbai, in Islamabad, in Kashmir, in Gujrat and in terrorism attacks all over Pakistan and India. All terrorists, no matter what religion, should be condemned. It does not matter if they are Muslim or Hindu. If they do terrorism they should be condemned. I also hope that Indians will also start speaking against terrorism (rather than just repeat anti-Pakistan rants) just like Pakistanis are beginning to speak against all terrorism.

  198. Bishwanathan says:
    December 3rd, 2008 2:46 pm

    I have lost faith in governments, both India and Pakistan. IT is now up to citizens and ordinary people. Politicians just make fools of us and distract us from real issues through their blaming tactics. I will join any India-Pakistan citizens movement that speaks against all injustice in both countries. We should speak against all human rights abuses (which happen in both countries) and against all terrorism (which happens in both countries.

  199. Ramesh says:
    December 3rd, 2008 3:08 pm

    Thank you for your sentiments which are clearly heartfelt.

    I think most of us Indians realize that this is not teh work of Pakistan as a country but individuals in Pakistan may be involved. The same people who have been killing and doing terrorism in Pakistan are now also doing it in India. I think the people of the two countries should get together to fight against terrorism. I hope Mr. Zardari is honest when he says that there will be full cooperation.

  200. Deeda-i-Beena says:
    December 3rd, 2008 3:35 pm

    Fellow human beings:

    Let us get back to our core values and get real. I am repeating here the comments I made on Page 1 in this Post.

    Reading through all that has been said here by way of worthy comments, I felt the need to say it again. Now is the time for reflection and for moving forward. That will be the only way we could recover their dignity and show our respect to the victims of Mumbai and of countless other tragedies suffered by humanity at the hands of other human beings.

    Give it some thought. It is worth it.

    TOGETHER we may be on our way to prevent the next such carnage.

    Here I am reminded of the well known Biblical quote from Isaiah II, firmly engraved on the bare wall across from the United Nations in New York:

  201. S.Bones says:
    December 3rd, 2008 4:59 pm

    @ Tariq

    I know very well that the majority of the people of Pakistan want peace and love. As do the majority of people anywhere on earth. I do not make this a Muslim issue as I know it is not a Muslim issue. I am an Indian and I interact with Muslims on a daily basis. Sounds cheesy but some of the best people I know and friends I have are Muslim. I only have qualms with any human being thinking they are better then another in any way. Be it is cast, clan, religion or region. I hope from the bottom of my heart that in the coming few years Pakistan transforms into a truly democratic, secular, free and enlightened society. I for one will applaud any steps the people and government of Pakistan takes in this direction. I have a young daughter she (not yet 2) is in Delhi at the moment. I want her and all to feel safe. I want to have a prosperous and safe future in India I hope to visit Pakistan in the future and walk around free and without fear. My wife has visited Pakistan and only had good things to say about the people. My family was from Sialkot originally. India has so many problems that need fixing I strive to address those. Animosity from across the borders is another thorn that has to be removed.

    I hope all the People of Pakistan understand that the only place an enemy lies is within a persons own heart. Nothing that has been said or written by the hand of man in any form is above the love that lies in all human hearts.

  202. wellwisher says:
    December 3rd, 2008 5:50 pm

    The attached link presents an excellent analysis of the how we got to this point, though I disagree with some assertions made in the article about Muslims wanting to gain back the rule.

    It is fair to state that all God fearing, decent people of the sub-continent want to restore basic human rights regardless of religion or creed. Without justice, peace is only a fantasy of the fools!

    http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1862650,00.html

  203. Ashok Punekar says:
    December 4th, 2008 1:01 am
  204. nikhil says:
    December 4th, 2008 3:05 am

    @ashok great article thanks for post

  205. Jyoti says:
    December 4th, 2008 3:24 am

    Do ki larayee me teesare ki bhalayee.. Terrosists inflict injury on India, India gets angry with Pakistan, Pakistan gets more angry with India, media pours more ghee in this aag.. chain reaction sets in.. both countries bicker, terrosist laugh.
    Now they are waiting for the two countries to inflict wounds on each other so that when both deplete their resources against each-other instaed of against terrosim, the terrosists strike and kill both the nations..
    Isn’t that’s what is happening?

  206. ABN says:
    December 4th, 2008 7:26 am

    This is two part series of a very enlightening interview from Amaresh Misra, a renowned historian, an activist who witnessed the tragic events in Mumbai. He has a very different view of the things occurred.
    He is one the few voices who were not given much coverage by the “Pseudo Secular” Indian media.
    He brought some interesting insights into the tragedy:
    1. The mysterious circumstances under which the ATS Chief Karatke and the top brass was wiped out.
    2. The number of muslims killed which are around 30.
    3. The mystery behind Nariman House and his inside scoop on this place.
    4. The identity of Terrorists.

    Part 2 : Contains remaining part of the interview and then Ahmad Qureshi from Islamabad talks about the Pakistani perspective and the remaining part of the program.

  207. Zecchetti says:
    December 4th, 2008 9:11 am

    This is a plot to take reduce Pakistan’s military and eventually seize Pakistan’s nuclear weapons. The US asks Pakistan to “help out” in the tribal areas, and this has left the Pakistan-India border vulnerable. And this attack in India has given the Indians an excuse to start something against Pakistan. Just like the US is invading Pakistani soil in the north, India may be looking for excuses to come in from the east.

    It’s a plot to seize Pakistan’s nuclear weapons. The US Congress are planning that right now: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/dec/04/terrorism-nuclear-attack-congress-report

    And if that happened, Pakistan would be on its way to the history books. Unless Pakistan wakes up now. Wake up!! Oh wait, it’s too late, go back to sleep. Pakistan effectively sealed its fate when it allowed the US to take Afghanistan.

  208. December 4th, 2008 9:24 am

    I think the simple message Jyoti has sent needs to be seriously considered by both the AWAM and Govts of both the countries.

    Secondly if both the Govts. are serious and sincere the veracity of the confessionists statement can be easily verified.The Govts should be honest enough to share their findings with the public ending endless speculation.After that real statesmanship is required to recognise the compulsions of each country and move in a coordinated effort.Let us forget the polemics and for once be cooperative.The matter is far too important.Lamho ki galtiyo se sadiyo ne saza payi hai.

  209. Monkey says:
    December 4th, 2008 10:04 am

    @ ashok:

    When has India ever protested any attack that happened on Pakistan?
    If you’re saying that Pakistanis should protest b/c the bombers may have been trained in Pakistan, well then India openly supported the uprising in Bangladesh so that Pakistan (as we knew it then) would disintegrate. When did the ordinary Indian protest – or even acknowledge – that?

  210. Vishwanath says:
    December 4th, 2008 10:38 am

    Lets please all stop.

    We are wasting such powerful words from Adil Najam but mimicking the filth we are seeing on our TVs

    Are we, on both sides of the border, really so stupid to fal for these war mongerers on our media.

    I stand with Adil Najam. Against terrorism everywhere. In India and in Pakistan.

    If others want to stand with violence and war (which is what the terrorists stand for also) then go ahead, you are no better than them!

  211. Tariq Sayeed Khan says:
    December 4th, 2008 12:31 pm

    @S.Bones

    Well Said.

    @ Adil Najam & Others
    Ok so instead of talking, lets take some action. I propose we sign a joint petition, and this site can host the petition, to stop the countries from falling into the trap of terrorists. We need to work together to root out terrorism.

    What say you all.

  212. Lionel says:
    December 4th, 2008 4:24 pm

    Wonderful post. But who is going to bell the cat? Do Pakistanis really believe that the ISI or (to repeat a trite and overwrought word) “rogue” elements in it was not complicit?

  213. bharat says:
    December 5th, 2008 12:12 am

    wonder ful healng words by Nazam.Alas such type of people would have been more in number. rational thinking people though may be more in number but the warmonger , very few in no. always dominate because they are so hardened in wrong ideology which gives them strength for such heinous crime against huminity.but good word must be said with good action as well.

  214. Janeeta says:
    December 5th, 2008 1:53 am

    I dont know where to begin with all of us Pakistanis whether on this blog or not condemn the terrorist attack on Mumbai and we stand with ur indian brothers and sisters in this time of pain but what sadden me the most is the response we got from them … i have read in so many interent blogs and have heard in so many news how ordinary indians and celeberities alongwith their politicians are blaming Pakistan for this.. Comments like ‘send those dead terrorist back to Karachi’ or ‘Indian military should bomb militants camp in Pakistan’ leave me flabbergasted …i just want to ask why India always blame Pakistan for whatever happened on their soil …. I’m no intelligence expert neither im fully aware with international marine laws but still the idea of few person carrying heavy arms traveling in a boat from one country to another without getting noticed seems so absurd… if thats what happened then i must say that Indian marine security agencies and navy are just a bunch of idiots …. and why on Earth terrorist from Pakistan will tack the pain to go to India to kill Americans and Europeans???? India has a long history of communal riots but i dont remember that Christians, Jews or Hindus be ever a target of Terrorist attack in Pakistan … all i can see is lots of dirty politics going on and i request people on both sides of border to please think positive ….

  215. Monkey says:
    December 5th, 2008 8:59 am

    Bharat, I agree with you that the violent are in a smaller number but I would say they are way smarter because in the guerrilla ways, they very successfully go about whatever their mission is while we, those more in touch with the human side, spend all our time using softer methods.
    I am a HUGE fan of Rang De Basanti the movie and although I don’t subscribe to the view that we should respond to violence with violence but we definitely need to do something stronger than just writing about it or lighting candles. Something needs to be DONE – something result-oriented. Like the cleansing of the Lal Masjid. Pin-point the terrorists and finish them.

  216. Aashtha says:
    December 5th, 2008 11:50 am

    Glad to see some sensible Pakistani feedback on the Mumbai attacks. Not everyone (http://tinyurl.com/6yphpd) has a good experience with Pakistani bloggers.

  217. Jyoti says:
    December 5th, 2008 12:09 pm

    Interesting article on an Indian website, from the point of view of Pakistan. The article raises lots of questions. Loosely translated, some of them are like this:

    1.Who will benefit most in Pakistan by Mumbai attacks? Someone who wants to overthrow the civilian government in there?
    2.The mercenaries were trained in commando warfare and were so cruel that they annihilated every human being who ever set eyes upon them ( slain crew on Kuber trawler, blown to bits taxi drivers whom they had hired to reach their destinations). Then how come they left their satellite phone on the trawler, kept making mobile phone calls to Pakistan, purchased things in Pakistan and left the tags intact? Did they deliberately want to provoke India against Pakistan?
    3. Where was Mushharraf when this war was taking place? Is it a co-incidence that he left Pakistan for a week on 23rd Nov, just 3 days before the attacks? Is it a co-incidence that the first

  218. Manish J says:
    December 5th, 2008 3:53 pm

    Adil, I salute you for providing this leadership and understanding the pain of innocent civilians.

    Frankly, even if it were not LeT’s act, what

  219. H.S.K. says:
    December 5th, 2008 4:45 pm

    Unfortunately the media in both countries is still immature and much better at spreading hatred than promoting understanding.

  220. Desi Italiana says:
    December 5th, 2008 5:14 pm

    Wonderful post, Adil. I wholeheartedly agree with you and the other commentators who say that everyone from both sides of the border must not only feel and emphasize what is going on in both nations, but also to stand in solidarity against such acts (including state terrorism, not just violence by groups and/or nonstate actors) and collaborate together for a better India and Pakistan.

    However, I am somewhat baffled as to why there are some Indian posters here– and Friedman’s ridiculous article that has been posted in some of the comments for Pakistanis to read– who are sending urgent appeals to all Pakistanis to categorically condemn the attacks and do something about them because allegedly, the perpetrators were from Pakistan-based LeT. As if every single one of the 165 million Pakistanis somehow has direct control over the LeT, and personally abet the LeT. This is absurd. I do not know whether the Bombay attacks were at the hands of LeT members, and if so, if ISI elements involved. But I’m unsure why an entire nation of people– who also face violent acts themselves– is asked to say this and that as if they have a hand in these organizations themselves.

    In the end, I’m comfortable with demonstrating passionate solidarity with denouncing all forms of violence on both sides of the border, holding politicians accountable, and looking at the media with a critical eye (Indian television journalism, BTW, has a long way to go, if the coverage on the attacks is anything to go by).

    I’m not comfortable in drawing camps between Indians and Pakistanis, looking across those lines, and collectively holding the peoples of either nation as either representatives of their respective country, or conspirators in whatever happens in India or Pakistan. And no calls to bomb the other.

    (Shame of Friedman for continuously publishing inane articles, including the latest one on Pakistan. I ask myself out of frustration when the hell he is ever going to shut up, knowing full well that we’re going to hear from him for at least two more decades.)

  221. SenseSpeak says:
    December 5th, 2008 5:27 pm

    I think both India and Pakistan should gag their media. The funny thing is that the two governments are saying more sensible stuff than teh two governments.

  222. wellwisher says:
    December 5th, 2008 5:37 pm

    Hum daikhain gay .. We shall see.

    http://flickr.com/photos/19100206@N02/2553672136/

  223. SHARMA says:
    December 6th, 2008 10:55 pm

    Thank you for these thoughtful words, Mr. Najam

    You give me confidence that in both of our countries we who seek peace for all humanity are still the majority even though the voices of hatred are always louder.

  224. Kumar says:
    December 7th, 2008 1:55 pm

    Its good to see people like you in pakistan..But More Important are actions..as long as pakistan keeps Dawood ibrahim,moulana masood azhar,Laskars,osama’s, al-qaida..the terrorist brand image is difficult to be wiped only way is ACTION.

    “moulana masood azhar” when a person got released thru Hijacking & killing keeping him in a state..how to see this..for a foreigner..?

    Pakistani moderates are helpless i can understand.

  225. Aamir says:
    December 7th, 2008 7:32 pm

    Mumbai terrorist came from Pakistan, local villagers confirm

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/dec/07/mumbai-terrorism-india-pakistan1

  226. December 8th, 2008 12:23 am

    This Guardian story is just a case of he said, she said, and then they said something else. There is nothing definitive in it.

  227. Nasir says:
    December 8th, 2008 9:02 am
  228. Danish Burki says:
    December 9th, 2008 4:45 am

    @Bangash Khan,

    The origin of Ajmal Amir has been confirmed now through the Election Commission’s electoral rolls, which are in turn confirmed through NADRA records. It is sad and embarrassing, but at least four Pakistanis were involved in the Mumbai attacks.

    We need to stop being so insecure, and should have the pride and confidence to admit what’s wrong with our country so we can fix it. We need to get rid of the cancer of religious militancy and terrorism, and if we don’t, they will devour us as well (for proof, check the daily suicide bombings occurring in Pakistan).

  229. wellwisher says:
    December 9th, 2008 10:21 am

    It is the hard core zealots like the JI and their ignorant likes that are behind this menace that is now devouring the Muslims and Islam all over the world. These fanatics, self proclaimed heirs to the throne of Islam are eager to exclude every one including their mothers from the ‘circle of Islam’.

    A nation that does not stand up against intolerance, ignorance, and injustice is bound to pay the price for their indifference in the form of moral, social, and economic decadence. The proof is in the pudding.

    Salvation lies in jihad against one’s self. Shake off the shackles of the ignorance and lay down the swords of intolerance, if you truly want to be guided to the straight path that leads to the blessings promised by Allah (SWT) to the true believers.

  230. Amar K Murthy says:
    December 9th, 2008 2:44 pm

    Just knowing that your people are putting a sympathetic hand on our shoulder gives us a lot of comfort. Most of us deep inside understand that most of you feel the same way. It is not important whether the terrorists are pakistani, indian or where ever. It is important for us to condemn them and bring them to book who ever they are. It is not important whether they kill an indian, hindu, muslim,pakistani. We are all the same. When a pakistani dies, one of us die. When a muslim dies one of us dies. When an indian dies, one of us die. Your pain is ours, and ours yours.

  231. Monkey says:
    December 9th, 2008 4:05 pm

    JYOTI

    I don’t see any sense of bringing in Musharraf in the middle of this. As much as I admired him as a leader, the man is not coming back into power, trust me and he has nothing to do with these attacks. He’s just enjoying his life playing golf and travelling and lecturing at universities. The man has no hold over the army/ISI/anybody. It’s just a conspiracy theory.

    As I read the situation, if anyone has anything to gain, it is the right-wing Hindu nationalists.

  232. Monkey says:
    December 9th, 2008 4:08 pm

    AMAR

    You are very right. We need to work together and all this nonsensical behaviour needs to be put under check! On both sides of the border. India is a strong country, and on it’s way to becoming stronger I hope, and can be of great help in the crackdown against terror.

  233. Shaheryar Azhar says:
    December 10th, 2008 12:22 am

    The Death of Common Sense and Intelligence

    By Shaheryar Azhar

    What happened in Mumbai was no abstraction for me. Having visited it thrice; basked as a guest in the old-world charm of Taj Palace Hotel and Towers; played a diligent tourist in this multicultural cauldron of ‘maximum city’; having partaken of its great shopping and some of its finest cuisines; having friends and relatives who are ‘Bombayites’ through and through, which means they can not dream of living anywhere else; and, not the least, being an ardent fan of Bollywood movies and film songs from my earliest memory as a child – seeing the horror unfold on November 26th was extremely personal in many ways.

    What Churchill said of English and Americans may be paraphrased about Pakistanis and Indians too – they are divided by a common race, cuisine, language, values, culture, emotional make-up but above all by a sense of humor, which is typical to the South Asians. Increasingly, the people of these two countries are realizing their shared heritage even if their leaders, lacking in both imagination and courage, are unable to convert this sentiment into an appropriate and more friendly foreign policy.

    As I became progressively sadder watching the perpetrators of carnage in Mumbai monopolizing the world attention for three days on TV, it occurred to me that the greatest casualty of President Bush’s version of the ‘War on Terror’ has been the death of common sense and intelligence itself. At the risk of appearing ‘soft’ on terror or ‘liberal’ in the face of an existential threat or ‘unpatriotic’ at the time of greatest national peril, we have all been forced to abandon common sense and normal intelligent questioning.

    A $300,000, 19-man operation on September 11, 2001 has already seen a response from America, which the Nobel-prize winning Economist Joe Stiglitz calls ‘a three-trillion dollar war’, not to speak of hundreds of thousands of causalities (ours and everyone else’s), millions of innocents displaced from their homes and a world that, after all this investment, has become much more unstable Geo-politically and economically. This doesn

  234. Nasir says:
    December 10th, 2008 3:47 am
  235. Zecchetti says:
    December 10th, 2008 11:24 am

    @ Nasir,

    excellent video. When the heck are Pakistanis going to realise the US is the sworn enemy of Muslims..

  236. Ilm Seeker says:
    December 12th, 2008 1:22 pm
  237. Pravar says:
    December 15th, 2008 1:41 pm

    For a few posters here especially those that feel an anger towards India espe for its Kashmir policies/ alluding to so called ‘mistreatment’ of Indian Muslims,I have some observations. Some of these may be wrong and some quite simplistic in conclusions, but I encourage any sane/non name calling corrections. Also I agree that any govt’s policies are never without any adverse reaction from somewhere and certainly Indian bureaucrats and politicians have misserved the great people-whether Muslims or Hindus.

    Now lets talk about the amusing charge of ‘Muslims in India are mistreated so they are rising up in revolt’…

    In any country, especially one with India with huge population competing for limited resources including jobs, education opportunities, land etc; there are bound to be feelings of deprivation/injustice etc. But many of times it is due to sub continent

  238. December 15th, 2008 9:55 pm

    @Danish Burki

    Are you telling me this “Ajmal Amir” fellow registered to vote in Pakistan? If this existence is really confirmed how about a picture of his parents, their house, their profession or business, his friends? his life??

    I dont accept a few paragraphs in a vague article as proof.

  239. Sridhar says:
    December 18th, 2008 12:05 am

    A wonderfully balanced and well-written article on the issue by Gen. Talat Masood in the Daily Times.

    http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2008\12\18\story_18-12-2008_pg3_2

  240. Ashish says:
    August 7th, 2009 10:38 pm

    Hello,

    I am a mumbaikar as well. Thank you for this blog. I read an interesting comment about how media manipulates opinion in India. This is sadly true. There exists a lot of anti-Pakistan propoganda. But to be frank this is the only pro-India blog/article of Pakistani origin I have ever seen. After the Mumbai attacks I saw a clipping of Geo TV which I believe is a Pakistani news channel in which they had invited the Pakistani defence analyst to express his views regarding the attacks and India’s accusation. He pointed at Mohd. Ajmal Kasab’s picture and said that this man was an Indian and the terror striked were conducted by the Indian govt. 9/11 style. This convinced me that both India and Pakistan are victims of the state propoganda. Both the countries need to change their politicans and leaders if they want peace.

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