Movie Review: Shoaib Mansoor’s ‘Khuda ke liye’

Posted on July 31, 2007
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Yasser Latif Hamdani

(UPDATE: You can view this movie here).

We had a preview of the movie Khuda Ke Liye at ATP where we had posed a question whether Shoaib Mansoor will be able to revive Pakistan cinema? A probable answer comes from myself who recently got chance to see this movie. The record breaking Pakistani film Khuda Ke Liye has become my favorite film overnight- Hollywood inclusive. Or more accurately I should say, that there hasn’t been a film in the past that has moved and affected me in this way.

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Given the standing ovation the film is getting in theatres all over Pakistan from rich and poor alike, one can safely say that I am not the only one. For one thing it is a uniquely Pakistani story, which could have only come out of Pakistan. To sum it up, it is about us – the people of Pakistan warts and all- take it or leave it.

The genius of Shoaib Mansoor was never in doubt for those who have seen his videos or for that matter the famous Alpha Bravo Charlie – the TV Drama on Pakistan Army. What I was unprepared for was the depth in his thought and the way he has managed to capture the Pakistani dilemma on screen. Ours is a complex and rich predicament which needs to be captured in all its nuances and appreciated in all its paradoxical colors. KKL did just that.

I went to the theatre expecting to see the same old liberal v. fundo arguments. There were those, but unlike how these arguments play out in “The Friday Times” and the “Nawai Waqt“, this remarkable film is fully conscious of its Pakistani identity and the strong Islamic component that forms part thereof.

At the risk of spoiling it for those who haven’t seen it, this is the story of two brothers, Mansoor (played by Shaan) and Sarmad (played by theatre actor/musician Fawad of EP fame) both musicians, brought in a well to do Pakistani family. Mansoor and Sarmad are torn apart by the latter’s increased involvement with a certain Maulana Taheri (based most probably on Maulana Sami ul Haq of JUI-S component of the MMA), who turns the soft spoken Sarmad into full fledge Jehadi.

Things are complicated when the brothers’ cousin Mary arrives from London to spend a few days with them, only to discover that she has been tricked by her father into coming to Pakistan to avoid her marrying her Non-Muslim boyfriend Dave. Meanwhile Mansoor leaves for Chicago to enrol at the “School of Music” there. In an epic that switches from London to Lahore to Waziristan to Nangahar Afghanistan to Chicago, these ordinary Pakistanis are increasingly faced with both internal and external conflict. And then there is September 11.

Shoaib Mansoor does not miss a beat, he does not leave any stones unturned. While all characters have more or less the same significance in this plot, it is Mansoor who is at the centre of it: Mansoor who is a proud Pakistani and secure in his Muslim identity, Mansoor who warns Sarmad against extremism, Mansoor who puts the best Muslim and Pakistani foot forward, Mansoor who is abducted by FBI in the middle of the night and beaten and tortured to a pulp, humiliated and abused for being a Pakistani and a Muslim. He is the contrast to Sher Shah and Maulana Taheri. But there are contrasts on the other side as well… Jenny who loves Mansoor for being Mansoor, his classmates who spontaneously join in when Mansoor performs his “music from Pakistan”, his African American professor… all stand in contrast to the American torturers of Mansoor.

The dialogue reaches a fever pitch in a court room in Lahore, where Mary is engaged in a prolonged legal battle. Enter the Bollywood star Naseeruddin Shah. He plays the character of a long bearded progressive Islamic scholar (probably based on Maulana Ahmed Javed and Allama Javed Ahmed Ghamidi of Lahore). In what would be the localised version of “Inherit the wind” Courtroom drama, he engages Maulana Taheri and his coterie in an argument on Islamic law and Islamic dress code.

“There is beard in religion, but no religion in beard,”

declares Shah, adding that

“Two men who did the greatest service to Islam in Pakistan, Mahomed Ali Jinnah and Allama Iqbal, did so without a beard and out of the so called Islamic dresscode, in western dress.”

It was on this line that the entire hall filled with applause. Islam – the universal faith – has no uniform. This lays the stage for the final scene- the most poignant scene of the movie, filmed in Lahore’s beautiful Wazir Khan Mosque- the scene which once again made a Muslim out of me. I’ll let you watch it yourself to understand what I am talking about.
As for the film itself, there seem to be a few technical glitches earlier on but they are easily forgotten. Iman Ali‘s performance as Mary or Maryam in the beginning is annoying and one finds her concocted British accent a little annoying at first. However it grows on you and one discovers the fullness of her effort- which is by far the best I have come across by a Pakistani actress. As for the music, those of you who have only heard Bandaya, you are in for a surprise. The film is as a whole an incredible musical experience. What is more is that you discover how aptly Shoaib Mansoor has placed his music in the various scenes. Indeed, driving back from Lahore on the motorway, I could recount/recollect every scene just by listening to the soundtrack.

This is a movie no Pakistani can afford to miss.

181 Comments on “Movie Review: Shoaib Mansoor’s ‘Khuda ke liye’”

  1. Mutazalzaluzzaman Tarar says:
    July 31st, 2007 10:36 pm

    thanks for the review, YLH. I hope Geo and Shoman bring KKL to the international audiences. I’ve sent an email to the Geo guys to bring the movie to North America as have others I’m sure in North America. hope the movie makes it to international film awards in the foreign film category. it’s got to be better than the films that have been nominated in the past from the subcontinent.

    here’s to Shoaib Mansoor – the genius – for making a Pakistani film about Pakistanis for Pakistanis.

  2. Allah Wasaya says:
    July 31st, 2007 10:47 pm

    Wow, thats one heck of a review! You haven’t mentioned anything “controversial” in the entire review, all we’ve been hearing from the so called religious extremist folks is that the makers of this movie should be charged with blasphemy for they have disrespected the religion, was their anything you found to be remotely blasphemous?

  3. Raza Haider says:
    July 31st, 2007 10:53 pm

    great review…any idea where a DVD can be purchased?

  4. JayJay says:
    August 1st, 2007 12:09 am

    Excellent review. We need more Shomans and KKLs to bring back missing elements of common sense, reason and moderation to our collective attitudes.

  5. YLH says:
    August 1st, 2007 2:07 am

    Thanks everyone who liked the review.

    Allah Wassaya,

    There is hardly any thing that I can point to…

    The real reason why the religious extremists are saying that this movie is against Islam is because it challenges their ritualistic straitjacket…. and attempts to return Islam to its followers…

  6. Raza says:
    August 1st, 2007 2:19 am

    Nice one. I haven’t seen the film yet and I can’t wait to. Everyone’s been saying it’s a MUST-SEE. Needless to say I’ve already had a couple of emails with fatwas attached forwarded to me :) … but I plan on forming my own opinion.

    August 1st, 2007 3:40 am

    Allama Adnan Bhai,

    Was the movies point really necessary?, must you always snarl at everything. The point YLH makes is true, its high time we reclaim Islam for ourselves and the movie helps in giving us a nudge so it causes no harm at all except to the fundos who still hark back to a golden era that will never return. Disagree if you want at



  8. Concerned Pakistani says:
    August 1st, 2007 3:42 am

    I think the movie is not yet available in DVD format, or so I am told. And it is one of those works I would rather not buy a pirated version of.

    As for comment that “Islam is in Quran and Sunnah and not movies.” I totally agree. It is for this reason I believe there is no need for Mullahs that seem to breed by the thousands every year, those who condemn women to slavery and childern to years of brainwashing them turns them into terrorists and mass murderers.

    Islam is beautiful because it encourages Muslims to have a “direct link with God.” What has disgraced the religion is the behavior of those who preech it.

    This is the very reason we don’t need any mullahs and so-called religious leaders.

  9. Mubarak says:
    August 1st, 2007 4:52 am

    Nice review YLH.

    “To sum it up, it is about us – the people of Pakistan warts and all- take it or leave it.”

    Also I liked your term “ritiualistic straitjacket”.

  10. Adnan says:
    August 1st, 2007 6:45 am

    Today when I visited the movie site and found out that the Link of “Director’s statement” doesn’t exist anymore- Wohoo! did shoaib get scared after seeing that his extremist point of view has been exposed. Now you see a link SYNOPSIS instead of director’s statement. Why did he do that? :-).

    Lamers don’t know that everything on web world is indexed by Google:-)

  11. Waheed says:
    August 1st, 2007 7:12 am

    Fundos in court over the movie…

  12. Waheed says:
    August 1st, 2007 7:14 am

    “Now you see a link SYNOPSIS instead of director

  13. hira khan says:
    August 1st, 2007 7:51 am

    i would go to cineplex some day…but a freind told me that in this movie they have stated that music is not forbiden in islam…and thanx for leting us know what the movie is all about…

  14. Adnan Ahmad says:
    August 1st, 2007 9:30 am

    Is it available in the U.S. on tape/dvd?

  15. August 1st, 2007 10:29 am

    where can oversees audience watch it?

  16. August 1st, 2007 10:53 am

    I would really like to watch this movie……….. but I guess all of us in North America will have to wait a while till its released here in the Indian theaters…… hopefully it happens soon!!

  17. August 1st, 2007 11:25 am

    Since the webmaster “cleverly” removed the link from main page but poor chap didn’t use brain that there are Flash decompilers which can decompile each bit of SWF file. I decompiled the file and found the link of Shoaib’s actual statement which dumb webmaster forgot to remove from Actionscript file. I know it would be removed by now but might be too late. I have got the offline copy of it and an excuse to make another entry of my blog. Anyway the link is:

  18. A Khan says:
    August 1st, 2007 2:32 pm

    I just had a family member arrive from Pakistan and she said that even boot legged copies arent available yet. What are we in the US and diaspora to do??? Any chance it will make it to the theatres here, perhaps in NY? Any film sector buffs know what avenues to go down to make the film available here?

  19. August 1st, 2007 5:17 pm

    well I guess no one will doubt about the skills and dexterity of Shoaib Mansor. But this movie reminds me of a Hollywood movie ,’The Net’ ( ) in which when Angela Bennett was tracing an ip , she came across with ip 24.75.345.200 . well for those who don’t know what is so different about it ,this ip address is an invalid address ,ip adresses are represented as 4 values each ranging 0-255. This would look fine to people who don’t know much about networking , but people who know will definitely have a laugh at it. :) This also shows the lack of knowledge of the filmmaker about that particular domain.
    About KKL and its claimed real Islamic view, I might consider it a goof on director’s side , until I read his note. portraying islam in a way that suits one’s thinking.
    Well Shoman could not resist the tradition of film industry to distort the fact to suit the film need. It also reminds me of Sultan Rahi dodging bullets defying the laws of physics and similar other efforts.
    I haven’t watched KKL and after all this controversy, i think its better not to do so.

  20. Mutazalzaluzzaman Tarar says:
    August 1st, 2007 5:39 pm

    A Khan, why don’t you just wait until the film hits the US? because it will be coming to the US. it will be shown in the UK in September/October from what I’ve read. the US will most likely be next.

    this film needs to be supported because it could be a turning point for our filmi sanat. please don’t screw the long term potential and health of our films by supporting piracy.

  21. Mutazalzaluzzaman Tarar says:
    August 1st, 2007 5:58 pm

    I’ve read reviews from people belonging to all walks of life and with very different views on religion and its role in life from secular, liberals (aka the kafirs) to fairly religious folks. everyone has unequivocally praised Shoaib Mansoor’s balanced approach.

    either way, if you have such a problem with Shoaib Mansoor’s “propaganda”, you’re free to make your own film and push your point of view. but the problem with that is that making films requires talent and intelligence and those are areas that the mullah community is severely lacking in.

    btw, it is great that people continue criticizing a movie that you haven’t seen. but I guess that is just how you roll – issue fatwas over a movie that you haven’t watched, cry yourself to bed over a book you probably haven’t read. but I guess expecting anything better (watching a movie before criticizing it) is just asking too much.

  22. Mutazalzaluzzaman Tarar says:
    August 1st, 2007 6:05 pm

    “I haven

  23. Kamran says:
    August 1st, 2007 10:23 pm

    For all other films lovers (and life lovers in general), I think you guys should wait for the official release (DVD or theater) and support the first Pakistani film that is actually trying to achieve something. Films are the highest form of art (it incorporates storeytelling, visuals, music, techniques etc.) and therfore its high time that Pakistan starts contributing.

    But for that the Pakistani film industry (lets stop calling it Lollywood and kill it before the name becomes synonymous with our film industry) need our support.

  24. Zubair says:
    August 2nd, 2007 1:23 am

    From the video clips it seems like the technical quality is also very high bt that is what is expected from Shoaib Mansoor.

  25. August 2nd, 2007 1:28 am

    “I want to become a better Muslim just like you”. MashAllah for your ambition, but ,’like me’ , i haven’t claimed to be a better muslim, may Allah guide me and you.
    for islamic teachings , you should consult an islamic teacher not a movie. InshAllah you will be succeeded in your quest.
    Someone abuses your family in a language you don’t know, and still you want to see how well he has abused. Even if you don’t know the language, isn’t it better to avoid it? other way might be to learn the language and then see if has really done so, That will indeed be better then avoiding. but will require you to learn it and learn from an unbiased authentic source.
    SubhanAllah, you have the spirit to learn, I would recommend to learn from authentic source who has indepth knowledge of the domain. JazakAllah

  26. Iffat says:
    August 2nd, 2007 2:50 am

    I am looking very much forward to seeing this soon. We need good cinema in Paistan.

  27. Bilal Zubairi says:
    August 2nd, 2007 3:18 am

    You see what you dont Understand you percive which is not true and you adapt which is not worth. The whole point is People dont know what Islam is. Before pointing out fingers on others please read what your Religion has to say. If you dont need Mullah then be it we dont need them but somewhere in the process you have lost the ones who are worth beeing heard off. Its is beyond the Imagination for those who see ISLAM from the side where Islam is just five pillars. If you dont know about you religion then everything and anything which will be said regarding you actions will be considered as beeing fundamentalist and instead of listening and understanding the point people starts defending them selves. May Allah give us all the Hidaya and Knowledge so that we can undertand the true spirit of ISLAM and it makes me sad that 23years of Prophet life is not even worth for us that we require the movies to understand Islam.

  28. Bilal Zubairi says:
    August 2nd, 2007 3:38 am
  29. Adnan Ali says:
    August 2nd, 2007 7:06 am

    Hi there,

    I have been to the movie playing at DHA cinema. It was indeed a great experience. You are right about this being a true Pakistani movie. What else can be more Pakistani than the conflicts that are within us. Shoaib Mansoor did a great job with it, but there are as you said, technical glitches.

    Top of the heads were cut in almost all closeup scenes. The editing during dialogues could have been snappier, for example, angry conversations do not wait for one person to completely finish the sentence and then wait to answer. These conversations are snappy.

    I have read a Fatwa from Karachi against the movie. I did so before watching the movie and find it totally absurd and based only on the director’s comments. I wrote a post on it at The Dosti Show blog ( Please have a read and your feedback will be welcome.

    Thanks for writing about the movie.

  30. Tina says:
    August 2nd, 2007 2:59 pm

    Does Mary end up with the London boyfriend? Why are all American girls in desi films named Jenny? Seems to be very common.

    Anyhow, as for beard…..many people in this world do not grow any beard, such as all native Americans and many Chinese people. The Muslims who have a thing for beard in my view are making a lie out of Islam’s claims to be a global religion for all people.

    At the time when Muhammed lived, there were probably 40 million people on the north and south American continents, and the south Americans were enjoying the height of their empires complete with literature and monumental architecture. Not one of the men of these people had a beard. Of course nobody in the “old world” knew anything about any of this…..still if Allah in his omniscience made Islam for everybody, you would think the beard would not be given a special religious importance, since many men don’t grow one.

    Or maybe Allah is his omniscience could forsee that the Spanish were going to come along and decimate the native peoples of the “new world”, destroying them in a genocide so complete that today they exist only in numerically insignificant numbers. Saying in essence, “what the heck, beardless folks are doomed anyway”.

    Or maybe….no, I won’t suggest that.

    The beard debate appears to a logical person to be a purely cultural by-product. If you don’t think so, go to a village of Mayan descendants and tell them God insists that they grow a beard.

  31. Ibrahim says:
    August 2nd, 2007 4:29 pm


    Don’t know why this has been introduced but I’ll reply. Tina, you are looking at the end results instead of the action (or actually inaction). The hukum is to not shave/trim facial hair so as to let it grow to at least fist-length or longer. Now, if someone doesn’t shave/trim and his genetic makeup means he doesn’t grow much facial hair, so be it. He will have the same reward, inshaAllah. It is the intention, the methodology that counts. You don’t have to look at Mayans—even among Arabs and South Asians you will find such cases and of course most Indonesians/Malays don’t have the genes either for much facial hair; sames goes for Africans. I hope this clarifies your confusion. Allahu Alam

  32. Sridhar says:
    August 2nd, 2007 4:47 pm

    A contrary perspective on the movie – from a friend at another forum.

    “While visiting Karachi, I saw this movie in local cinema. The movie did not impress me at all. Naseer uddin shah’s character and role came as probably the only highmark in this movie.

    There is nothing in this movie which seems original and creative. But coming from Jang publications which was instrumental in Propganada for Afghan Jihad in 80s, their new contract with Army regarding anti-jihad Liberal propaganda, is equally disappointing for educated ppl. Maybe it is good for the same target audience that was lured to Afghan jihad.”

  33. Bashir Dilawar says:
    August 2nd, 2007 6:09 pm

    Propaganda or not, it’s an undeniable fact that the movie has drawn a lot of attention, both in domestic and international mainstream media as well as blogosphere.

    Probably this movie has generated demand for more theaters. As the previous post on this matter pointed out, I hope this movie revives Pakistani cinema.

    Is this movie released worldwide?

  34. Eidee Man says:
    August 2nd, 2007 6:27 pm

    As I mentioned before, I really liked the movie. Now, about this quote:

  35. Qiqbal says:
    August 2nd, 2007 6:32 pm

    “Top of the heads were cut in almost all closeup scenes. The editing during dialogues could have been snappier, for example, angry conversations do not wait for one person to completely finish the sentence and then wait to answer. These conversations are snappy.”

    This is okay. In fact, the top of the heads cutting off in a close up is a standard Hollywood practice, and believe me it is done for a better viewing experience. Similarly, the dialogue editing as you described is also a norm in Hollywood style practice for a smoother and slick viewing experience.

  36. Eidee Man says:
    August 2nd, 2007 7:44 pm

    Okay…I was just reading some of these absurd comments and just HAD to reply….

    “Well Shoman could not resist the tradition of film industry to distort the fact to suit the film need.”


    “Does Mary end up with the London boyfriend? Why are all American girls in desi films named Jenny? Seems to be very common. ……The beard debate appears to a logical person to be a purely cultural by-product. If you don

  37. Tina says:
    August 2nd, 2007 11:03 pm

    Ibrahim, thank you for your reply. My question started with the “there is beard in Islam but no Islam in beard” statement of the director.

    Eidee man, thanks for the laugh (magically appearing exercise squad). Loved your description.

    As to Jenny, its curious to me because, while there are lots of Jennifers in the States of a certain age (older than college age, I might add) who sometimes shorten it to “Jen”, the name Jenny is very old fashioned and kind of uncommon.

    Its also *ahem* the word for a female donkey.

  38. Adnan Ahmad says:
    August 2nd, 2007 11:36 pm

    Jang group of the 80s was headed by khalil-ur-rehman an old fashioned conservative hard working journalist who even in the 70s sided with the jamat islami led coalition against bhutto. His son Shakil-ur-rehman, a born businessman, has taken the group in a different direction from the day he took over. His tussles with nawaz sharif in the early 90s were enough to show that side of him. About having a contract
    with the army, people can tell how much of an ally of the establishment jang group (owner of GEO tv) has been in the chief justice saga. They have bureau chiefs like hamid mir who regularly and openly writes against musharraf on and many others like him.

    This is a very brief response to a truly uneducated take on Pakistan’s current dynamics and the jang group, the largest in the country.

    And why make this absurd review about jang group?

    I haven’t seen any of shoaib mansoor’s works in the last 12 years but I do remember him as a genius who made the most out of very limited resources.

  39. Sridhar says:
    August 3rd, 2007 12:12 am


    Thanks for the comment. Based on the various positive reviews I am seeing, I look forward to seeing the movie when it is released in the US.

  40. Hamza says:
    August 3rd, 2007 1:14 am

    Ok, so this comment isn’t about Khuda ke liye. But, bear with me. It’s about another Pakistani movie that has been gaining publicity online. It’s a horror movie called Zibahkhana. Guardian and Time Magazine recently published reviews.


    Time Magazine

    Based on the reviews I have read in the movie covering blogosphere, this film is said to be average. I think the reason why it was gotten so much coverage (in contrast to khuda ke liye, which deals with a more substantial content, and is probably a far better movie) in the western media is the novelty of a horror movie coming out of a country that is more commonly associated with negative headlines.

    Still, at the very least, it’s something.

  41. Adnan says:
    August 3rd, 2007 1:27 am

    Shoaib and Anwar Maqood ‘s claim of fame is Fifty-Fifty which was released during Zia era. Imagine if they were not allowed , they would have been selling ‘Chanay’ on roads. :-). Both should be thankful of Zia’s rooh :-). The “fundamentalism” gave them reason to grow in Pakistan and earned fame.

  42. Qaisrani says:
    August 3rd, 2007 11:39 am

    I talked to many people about this movie, what I am surprised to find out is that people are not even ready to listen to the other person’s point of view. They are happy with what they are born with and whatever has been programmed to their minds. Mullah has also told them never to think in the religion, never ask for the reason or logic behind any teaching.

    Regarding the futwa Mullah ki rozi roti per laat maro gai to woh to shor machaye ga. This moview is really a death-blow to Mullaiat!
    Shoaib Mansoor Zindabad!!!!!

  43. Waheed says:
    August 3rd, 2007 11:44 am

    “Both should be thankful of Zia

  44. Asher Fawad says:
    August 4th, 2007 1:07 am

    I couldn’t help remain quiet. I don’t know why Pakistanis think (and from the discussion it appears that KKL also discusses it) that Muslims have the right to cherry pick the injunctions of Islam to suit their lifestyle. I have admired Shoib Mansoor all my life and I knew all along that if he makes a movie in Pakistan, it will surely be a hit. And I was not wrong but I am a bit disappointed at Shoman’s views on Islam which he expressed on KKL website that “… why two most beautiful creation: Music and art be against Islam…”. In Pakistan, we have either liberals who think they can somehow interpret Holy Quran to justify anything western (instead of making efforts to align their lives with Holy Quran) or we have extremist who become slaves to their cultural traditions and think that it is part of Islam.

    I wish you guys can read Holy Quran with meaning. There were scholars in the past who were not only very religious but were also imbued with scientific knowledge. Just care to read “Faith and Reason in Islam” by Averroes (Ibn Rushd)? There were many like him, (Imam Ghazali, Al Bairuni etc) who were very religious and didn’t feel the need to change Islam to suit the changing environment of their times but they were not against progress either.

  45. August 4th, 2007 2:47 am

    I would wait to hear view of someone who’s balanced or watch the movie myself.

    Apart from music and painting, movie is filled with loads of other crap as well and the movie tried to attack on other parts of Islamic belief for instance inter religion marriages.

    In Quran there is a clear order that a muslim Man could marry a woman of Judaism or Christianity, this is clear in Quran while the creator of movie tried to bring a point that a Muslim woman is also free to marry a jew or Christian. If someone doesn’t follow it, better be courageous enough to declare himself an apostate rather coming up new theories, the order of God is right or wrong, I am not going into debate because it would go way beyond original post.

    Second, I got chance to see few chunks of movie in Geo’s “AALIM” online program this evening which was “Khuda K liye Special”. In a dialogue ,Naseerudin shah says “Apnay andar aag lagao, batain me ag lagay tu khud he bahar aye ga”- something like i don’t remember exactly but the central idea of the dialogue was ,”Do not go for appearance and rituals” while in reality Shariat says entire reverse that is start from appearance,keep practising till you reach to point where you feel the real “Ibaadat”. In short the statement says, “Don’t offer any sort of prayers unless you feel pious inside”. Aamir liaquat sorta agreed with statement that “baatin should be fixed first”. I ask how would baatin be fixed first? if Keeping beard ,doing miswaak is appearance then we shouldn’t follow Namaz,Roza,Hajj and other basics as well because they are also performed infront of masses that is, to show off?? Mr. Progressive Molvi naseer[read Ghamidi] didn’t try how to invoke the fire in “baatin”? maybe by playing Guitar? actually this statement is illogical as well and Iqbal I think said it very well:

    zara nam ho tu yeh maTi baRi zarkhaiz hay saqi.

    Iqbal applies a condition by saying that not every piece of land is fertile. That is, we have to “input” water to make that piece of land useful. by logic of shoaib, we shouldn’t water land since the “baatin” of seed should feel the fire itself then it should ask,”gime water pls?”- what a load of crap preached by such school of thought. This analogy applies on Deen as well that unless you take first step and get ready to change your appearance then how could you feel it inside? Noone said that by keeping beard means got the ticket of jannah,it takes time but it doesn’t mean one doesn’t get ready to change his appearance or don’t follow rituals.

    Actually the particular dialogue is the brain child[Ghamdism] of media generated scholar Ghamidi who often emphasizes to fix inner thing first, namaz waghaira ko goli maro. May Allah keeps us safe from such “scholars”.

  46. Amjad says:
    August 4th, 2007 12:14 pm

    Speaking of films, I think everyone should see this YouTube clip… its really really funny….. worth seeing.

    I think ATP is too polite and well-mannered a place to post this directly but I hope putting the link here is OK

  47. Zeddell says:
    August 4th, 2007 2:15 pm

    Adnan, I totally second your comment! you said it all soo well! May Allah increase you in your ‘Ilm and ‘Amal.

    May He guide us All!!! *A special dua for Shoaib Mansoor*

    And Allah Alone gives success

  48. Bhindigosht says:
    August 4th, 2007 8:47 pm

    Adnan Siddiqui, since you are so good at identifying the true or “good” Muslims amongst us, can you please answer the following for me?
    - I say my namaz regularly, but enjoy an occasional glass of wine.Does that make me a bad Muslim?
    - A qawwali can move me to tears, but a qirat leaves me cold. Does that mean I am destined for hell?
    - I don’t lie, cheat, steal or curse. I fast, but have absolutely no desire to go for Haj. Does that mean that I will be drinking “peep” in hell?
    - I enjoy meat, get the idea behind Eid-Azha, but think that sacrificing animals is absolutely barbaric. Does that mean I will be standing on a hot “tawa” in my afterlife?
    - I think Hijab/Niqab/abbayas are dehumanising.Does that make me a Kafir?
    - And finally, I consider Ahmadis (gasp) and anyone who calls himself/herself one, a Muslim. Is there any hope for my redemption?
    Oh wise one, please enlighten me.

  49. pindiwalla says:
    August 4th, 2007 11:12 pm

    Adnan Siddiqui yaar – help me out here as well –

    - I don’t say my namaz regularly – find it too intrusive on my life – I don’t understand what I am mumbling … I find it too ritualistic, but enjoy an occasional glass of wine. Does that make me a bad Muslim?
    - A qawwali can move me to tears, and so does qirat. Does that mean I am destined for heaven?
    - I don

  50. August 5th, 2007 11:09 am

    to both of you, People of ancient times used to ask similar things from Prophets in order to make fun of orders of Allah. Read Quran yourself if you get sometime after your drinking activities, you would sure get all of your answers as well. Since I talked about Quran, it’s just I found these while reading, very apt.

    -Say (O Muhammad): None in the heavens and the earth knoweth the Unseen save Allah; and they know not when they will be raised (again).
    -Nay, but doth their knowledge reach to the Hereafter? Nay, for they are in doubt concerning it. Nay, for they cannot see it.

    Read this, they had disbelief like you, they were told but never believed.

    -Yet those who disbelieve say: When we have become dust like our fathers, shall we verily be brought forth (again)?
    -We were promised this, forsooth, we and our fathers. (All) this is naught but fables of the men of old.
    -Say (unto them, O Muhammad): Travel in the land and see the nature of the sequel for the guilty!
    -And grieve thou not for them, nor be in distress because of what they plot (against thee).

    -And they say: When (will) this promise (be fulfilled), if ye are truthful?

    -Say: It may be that a part of that which ye would hasten on is close behind you.
    -Lo! thy Lord is full of bounty for mankind, but most of them do not give thanks.
    -Lo! thy Lord knoweth surely all that their bosoms hide, and all that they proclaim.
    Quran 27:65-74)

    SubhanAllah! In past I often used to wonder aftee reading quran that whether such people still exist in modern times? but when I see people like you(Thanks to Adil N to provide this platform to experience such people), I am forced to believe that Quran was sent for the people of all the times.

    My friends, you are not making fun of me, neither you’are attacking me. This was some confusion in ancient generations as well and Quran explains about them very clearly how did they make fun and later they suffered. All I pray you people,me and others don’t suffer like them and Allah shows us the righteous path to follow-Ameen.

    p.s: I am glad that I was able to stir few sleepy minds here. :-)

    I think arabophile pakis need to move to Saudia

    eh Arabophile? why did you feel like that? Anyways, I do say AMEEN to your “wish”. You should say Suma-Ameen. :-)

  51. Hussain says:
    August 5th, 2007 4:14 pm

    As a movie it is really a great improvement on anything else I have seen in Pakistan. It is the quality that PTV drams uysed to be years ago. Very gripping and you do not want to leave it even for one minute!

  52. bhindigosht says:
    August 6th, 2007 12:28 pm

    Adnan , you have as usual, missed the point.

    On a saner note, have those of you who have seen the movie please comment on the cinematography. The reason I ask is because the scenes in the trailer seem as if they have been shot using a yellow/brown filter. Filmmakers sometimes do this to give the movie a certain feel. Deepa Mehta did it in Fire (yellow overtone), Earth (red/brown), and Water (blue/green overtones). I was just curious.

  53. Adnan Siddiqi says:
    August 6th, 2007 2:22 pm

    regardless of who missed the point or what you said, the statements you made in response are blasphemous enough that one[a muslim] can’t use them for sake of even arguments. For instance your first statement or any other statement.You think you are being some smart soul by mocking things about a religion by making fun of it, just like your inspirational sources in ancient times did it and now west do with their own relgiions but in reality you are just fooling out yourself. Maybe you live in a company where your buddies like “YO Momma” jokes and make fun of each other mothers just to prove “How broad minded am I”. I smiled when you made the previous post and now grinning after enjoying your situation. I just feel pity my friend!, nothing else. :)

  54. bhindigosht says:
    August 6th, 2007 3:38 pm

    Hmmmmm so being broad minded means “making fun of each others mothers”…. must be an interesting mental universe that you occupy. Again you have, as usual, missed the point.

  55. Deewana Aik says:
    August 6th, 2007 9:43 pm

    This urdu column by Ataul Haque Qasmee has a relevant message;

  56. null says:
    August 7th, 2007 5:15 am

    Bhindi gosht and pindiwallah
    Allah alone will decide of what type of muslim you are.
    You however admit to the fact that you specifically disobey Allah’s commands from the Quran and Sunnah and follow your own desires/lower Nafs .
    Adnan , may Allah give them Hidayah.It is useless to argue with these people who wish to follow thier own desires and the the desires of Iblis. For them Deen is not important as it is for you for which they will be answerable on the Day of Qiyamah annd even in the grave.

  57. Deewana Aik says:
    August 7th, 2007 9:35 am

    null, do you follow shariat 100%? If not, what makes you different?

  58. Farva says:
    August 9th, 2007 1:31 am

    the movie was just WOW,, i couldnt beleive no, infact i just felt a proud Pakistani after a very long time,, BRAVOOOOOOOOO to shoaib mansoor and all his team.Thanku for making me feel proud again ,

  59. Bushra Hussain says:
    August 10th, 2007 8:15 am

    To even compare Zibahkhana (an out and out slasher/gore flick) to Khuda Kay Liye is a little like comparing apples to oranges!

    To say Zibahkhana is better or worse than Khuda Kay Liye is irrelevent……..they are two films going in entirely different directions.

    Texas Chainsaw Massacre was a great horror film but can you seriously start to compare it to a film like Gladiator for example??? try………….it doesnt work.

    The reason Zibahkhana might have garnered so much attention from the foreign press is because it is such a startling departure from convention. Khuda Kay Liye, for all its brilliance, still feels like a pretty conventional if very thoughtful desi movie while Zibahkhana absolutey does not.

  60. bananafish says:
    August 11th, 2007 3:10 am

    I have not seen either Khuda Ke Liye or Zibahkhana. But I have seen the trailers on youtube etc.

    Omar Khan the director of Zibahkhana essentially wanted to make a trashy horror flick. A classic B-movie, and that is exactly what he made.

    So I agree with Bushra Hussain when she says that we can’t compare the two films.

    I would like to know if anyone here has seen Khamosh Pani? I came across it yesterday on youtube. It was a great film. Entirely in Punjabi with subtitles. It is also a Pakistani film but I don’t recall hearing about it at all. I am posting the link for the first part hereunder:

    Speaking of films from Pakistan. There is another trailer for a film called “Siahee” which is based on the serial killer/pedophile Javed Iqbal which seems interesting. Linked hereunder:

    Another film I came across was “Botal Gali” by that “Daira” guy. Any takes on that?

    I am sorry if any of these films have been discussed before on these forums.

  61. Saima says:
    August 13th, 2007 11:57 pm

    I haven’t seen KKL yet, but I will definately see it in the cinema when it releases in UK-

    and for those of you that have started disputing over Islamic Values because of the film – stop it! Only Allah has the right to judge – everyone has their own mind – watch it if you want to, but don’t forget – the Western society has defamed our religion worldwide via the media- this film is the FIRST step to a reflection of how WE feel via the media – finally!

    Whilst disputing over beards and music etc. you all tend to forget that the whole point in being a ‘Muslim’ is to be a good human being – to have good intentions – especially with one another (UNITY)

  62. Adnan Siddiqi says:
    August 14th, 2007 1:55 am

    Western society has defamed our religion worldwide via the media- this film is the FIRST step to a reflection of how WE feel via the media – finally!

    yes this is the first step towards what’s being done by West. We are copying them to score numbers. *grin*

    As long as we have directors like Sharmeen Obaid Chinoy and Shoaib Mansoor, we shouldn’t look towards westerners as our enemies. As some poet said:

    Howay tum Dost Jiskey, Dushman Uska Asmaan kion ho

  63. August 14th, 2007 7:25 am

    assalam alaikum to all.
    I think it’s a really good film with a seriously important message for its time. It’s actually quit nuanced with a lot of subtleties.

    Please see it before condemning it.

    If some people think that Shoaib Mansur’s message or interpretation of Islam is “too liberal,” than what’s the harm when so many people’s interpretation is too extreme?

    As far as music goes, people would do well to remember that most of the great Sufis–many of whom were also the best scholars- have said that music with instruments is perfectly permissable if the kalam & mehfil (i.e. message and the context) were free of harm.

    jazak Allah.

  64. Adonis says:
    August 17th, 2007 12:40 am

    A review from someone who has actually seen the movie:

  65. Rehan says:
    August 17th, 2007 1:05 pm

    I have seen just two parts of this movie on the internet and can’t wait to finish the remaining. Its a beautiful movie and I believe there will be part II, III, IV and so on in the future. I think this is the start of understanding our own religion and taking it worldwide. There has been only few issues being discussed in this movie but I think the series of such movies will shed more light on such issues. This is the way we should project our religion.


  66. August 17th, 2007 1:29 pm

    UPDATE: The movie Khuda kay liye is avaialable for downloading and viewing on the internet here

  67. Allah Wasaya says:
    August 17th, 2007 7:07 pm

    Thanks ATP admins for the movie download link, but this is probably half of the movie, where is the rest of it.

    Aalim Online’s take on KKL (5 parts, 1st part here)

  68. MMM says:
    August 17th, 2007 7:41 pm

    by the way the movie URL was taken from :

    if you would like to mention that :)

  69. Murtaza says:
    August 17th, 2007 7:51 pm

    The entire movie Khuda Kai Liye is avaiable for download at :

  70. bananafish says:
    August 17th, 2007 8:26 pm

    Thanks ATP admins. I started watching the film till I realised that only half of it was posted. So it kinda spoiled my experience. Now I have to wait and download the rest of it from the MuzikPakistan blog.

    Thanks to the people above for pointing out that it was not the full film and posting links so that the entire film can be downloaded.

  71. Dewana Aik says:
    August 17th, 2007 10:52 pm

    Has anyone confirmed a full download from anywhere? All downloads I can see are only half the movie.

  72. Usama says:
    August 18th, 2007 2:41 pm

    This movie is very good and provide a chance for Pakistan Film industry to return so other producers and directors should learn the logic of a sucessful movie, its very simple, just show what is reallity and the try to touch any hot topic of table.

    noor sab just think.


  73. Manas Shaikh says:
    August 18th, 2007 3:55 pm

    Thanks for the reivew. I wanted to see this movie in India, but it seems it isn’t released in India.

    About revival- this movie seems to have done well, but to say that one movie will revive Pak cinema is a long shot. Pak has a lot to catch up in cinema business.

  74. Samad says:
    August 19th, 2007 3:38 am

    hey guys i just loved the movie.. luckily i found a site to watch it onlie..

  75. asad hussain says:
    August 20th, 2007 12:01 am

    i need to meet sir shoaib mansoor

  76. anonymouse says:
    August 21st, 2007 2:54 am
  77. Qandeel says:
    August 21st, 2007 3:38 am

    Is the film available to download online? How can curious Pakistani living abroad watch the film?

  78. bananafish says:
    August 21st, 2007 4:59 am

    I finally found a site where you can stream the entire film. All 175 minutes of it. I am still waiting for it to load so I am not entirely sure if its the whole film or not. But it looks like the real deal.

    Link posted hereunder:

  79. bananafish says:
    August 21st, 2007 5:05 am

    Oh and don’t take my word for it. It just might not be the full movie.

  80. Qandeel says:
    August 21st, 2007 9:01 am

    Cheers. I just started watching it and it seems to be working fine… so far.

  81. VictoRiaN says:
    August 22nd, 2007 3:47 am

    Has Any one knows where I download KHUDA KAI LIYE movie

  82. Sana N G says:
    August 25th, 2007 6:45 pm

    I have my doubts about enjoying a movie scene shot in a masjid (A masjid, for crying out loud!) but I’m more than willing to taste this one.

    Any idea how I can see it here in Bombay?

  83. Mohammed Usman says:
    August 29th, 2007 7:08 am

    Im Mohammed Usman from Hyderabad Pakistan.
    Khuda ke liye is my most favourite just waiting for the release of Khuda ke liye in CDs&DVDs.

  84. sagheer says:
    August 31st, 2007 8:23 pm

    wow!!!a fiver for shoib mansoor,,,wotta genius he is indeed,,,the way he has presesnted us is a heck of mastership,when i was watching it i wasn’t able to point anything out which was unreal everything is to the point and is all truth,,this is how we think,,wotta an observation,,i will wonder if this movie won’t get a recognition world over,,,i m comparing it with hollywood not even with bollywood,,action sequences are great,and what we can expect from a mastermind,,,bravo
    once again he choosed new talent in music and itz just awesome,shan is on top as ever,he is an asset to pakistan film industry,can’t expect much better ,,pretty impressed with his accent,,he must not be wasted in stupid punjabi gangster movies,,,imaan ali showed some character for our upcoming new breed of educated talented actresses,,lets hope for the best,shoib has used all actors with genuinly mastered skills,
    though it has already caused some controversy but this is it,,we are that type of nation,,i hope we will get positive points from it ,,,

  85. Kamran Soomro says:
    September 1st, 2007 7:10 pm

    Wow. What a review. Really makes your mouth water to watch the movie. But I’ve already seen it. And I agree with the review…. for the most part. I applaud the reviewer for glossing over the controversial parts in the movie, and making it sound like the so-called mullahs and fanatics are just making a mountain out of a mole-hill. What he fails to consider, or maybe deliberately skip over, is that Shoaib Mansoor, while making one heck of a movie, has still twisted Islam. As Muslims, we cannot tolerate that. We will not tolerate that. Call me a religious fanatic if you want, but that doesn’t change the facts.

    Where you ask are the controversial parts? Shoaib Mansoor claims that Hazrat Daud (A.S) was blessed with the miracle of music. How can music be haram if Allah gave him this gift so that he could praise Him with it? Then he goes on to quote some Ahadith that supposedly prove that the Prophet (PBUH) loved to listen to music. Please. Shoaib Mansoor seems to take us for fools. He does not touch the core of the issue, misinterprets Ahadith, and then claims to be the one who is right. Well, for those of you who are truly impartial and open minded, Hazrat Daud (A.S) was NOT blessed with the miracle of music. He was blessed with the miracle of a moving voice. He used to praise Allah and recite Zaboor with it. Shoaib Mansoor cleverly uses the word moseeqi instead of voice here to justify his claim. The Ahadith he quotes are NOT about music, but about a sweet and melodious voice. Singing per se is not haram in Islam. The objection is on lyrics, and music. Or more specifically, musical instruments. Those are what are Haram. He does not make ONE argument in favour of music, just in favour of singing, and then cleverly claims that music is Halal.
    Also, even IF music was Halal in Hazrat Daud (A.S)’s time, it does not mean music is Halal in Islam too. There were many things that Islam declared Haram that were previously Halal, alcohol being one of them. While I do believe Shoaib Mansoor should be publicly challenged for his views on music, I must applaud he accurate depiction of the rest of the issues. The whole take on dress code, beard and inter-faith marriages was well-conceived, well-written and well-argued. Barring the Islamic side of the story, the whole story of Mansoor is tragic, true and heart-rending. His point that the US’s handling of the whole post-9/11 scenario has merely created more enemies for it is very well made. Overall I do recommend watching this movie for everyone, but not to be misguided by it.

  86. baber says:
    September 1st, 2007 7:43 pm


    Shoaib Mansoor should take this movie to Oscars from Pakistan side.

    Also release this movie world wide ..specially in U.A.E, Dubai
    with English, Arabic and Urdu Subtitles

  87. mehr says:
    September 3rd, 2007 6:50 am

    i just loved da movie i m seeing it now da 5th time

  88. hamza khalid says:
    September 3rd, 2007 7:02 am

    wow !bhai great review and no doubt the movie was was better than any indian r pakistani film ever made.alllll congrats to shoaib mansoor

  89. September 3rd, 2007 9:04 am


  90. Kashif Khan says:
    September 3rd, 2007 7:58 pm

    I just watched the movie. Living in London I was moved by its balanced protral of us as a confused society with extreme contrasts in our undertsanding of religion and culture. The sentence that sums up the movie for me is when Shan says to his American wife to be that ‘ Culture and religion are two seperate things. Religion is perfect mashallah and culture is not’. Unless we address through media in a thought proking way issues which are confused between culture and Islam then we will have issue with extremisum. Well done to everyone who risked their lives in being a party in this already an ‘epic movie’.

  91. amit says:
    September 6th, 2007 5:44 am

    i’m 4m d indian side of punjab
    since d time i read abt KHUDA KE LIYE in newspaper last day…i cud not w8 but 2 google search it
    4m d review given here…it’ll b 1 movie that i’ll desperately gonna w8 2 watch
    earlier also i saw d punjabi movies KHAMOSH PANI & CHOORIYAN
    & think pakistani film industry is touching new horizons
    Keep up d good work
    may ALLAH’s FAZAL b alwayz on all

  92. nand says:
    September 6th, 2007 1:34 pm

    Just saw the movie after reading some reviews off the Indian Media. Liked the concept which seems to be a breakthrough of sorts for Pakistan. The phenomena of extremism has been brought squarely into the center of the debate while keeping the context uniquely Pakistani. Kudos to the story writer/ director.
    One thing I didn’t understand is :
    Why are religious leaders deposing in the courtroom for a CRIMINAL CASE? The debate of sorts with their expositions on what Islam is or is not made fantastic drama but shouldn’t the case be charge, prove and convict? Eventually, it seems the criminals including the fundo brother, the fundo maulana and the accomplices got away at the end. The story could have convicted and imprisoned them to prove a point. Neverthless, I loved the part of Naseeruddin Shah though I couldn’t understand much of what he said in chaste urdu at the end.

  93. Akif Nizam says:
    September 6th, 2007 4:20 pm

    Nand, I think it would have been counterproductive to show the fundamentalists as bad people who need to be put away. After all, they too are part of our society and being a fundamentalist is not a crime. I think the movie works much better this way where it ends with a dialogue and not necessarily with beheadings or hangings. Obviously, I don’t want to give details away for the sake of people who haven’t seen it yet but I would encourage people to watch it. If for nothing, watch it for the music; it’s fabulous !

  94. aamir says:
    September 6th, 2007 5:27 pm

    c’mon guys technically its a below average movie. i expected shoaib to do better. directions wise its ok, screen play is below average, dialogues are so so, acting is very very poor.except shan and of course great shah,who did great as usual. i would say not a bad debue for shoaib. but if he had had co-directed it with syed noor it could be a better movie. don’t take me wrong guys but even the subject has not been handled properly. for me its just other propaganda movie. extremism is no good , but presenting one view point blindly is also extremism. and its worse if you do it with government’s backing.

  95. Akif Nizam says:
    September 6th, 2007 5:48 pm

    Aamir, i’m not sure which movie you watched or if you watched it in the theater or on clips on the internet. I watched it in the Cineplex in DHA, Karachi and it was technically comparable to Hollywood movies. Acting was very good; it was not exaggerated like typical Bollywood or Lollywood movie; more like a typical Shoaib Mansoor drama. The only flaw was that it was a little slow towards the middle but since it finished with a flourish, that was forgivable. Yes there were no scantily clad, well-endowed women dancing randomly throughout the movie, but I’m not sure what else Syed Noor could have contributed to a movie that is essentially a conversation and not a fatwa.

  96. jalaal says:
    September 6th, 2007 7:15 pm

    Go international by making it ‘For Gods Sake’

  97. Kamran says:
    September 6th, 2007 9:00 pm

    Khuda Key Liye is a monumental achievement. It speaks what 95% of the Pakistanis want to say. It has finally given a voice to the moderate Pakistanis, who know their boundaries.

    I had not seen Shoaib Mansoor’s eariler works (only heard good things about him, however) and now I am an avid fan. He brilliantly balanced each side of the equation.

    As said in the review “Its one Pakistani film that every Pakistani should see”

    A “true Pakistani film” in every sense of the word.

    P.S. Technically it is an achievement as well. Amazing cinematography and very restrained performances to get the message across. Shan was superb.

  98. Abdullah says:
    September 7th, 2007 2:31 am

    I read almost all the comments on this article. It is the same article which is also present on Naseeb & Chowk by the same author.

    Upfront, this movie is giving us a chance to visit Cinema Hose with family, because there is no such nude scene is observed in this presentation. But the fact is that the “Message” behind this film is extremely dangerous.

    Those who are aware RAND Corporation & its reports on Islam must be well aware with their plans. KKL is also an output of that report.

    I don?t want to go in detail here. If u can see movie then u should read the ?Reality of KKL? from following link & then provide comments after whole reading.

    But read, in the name of God

  99. September 7th, 2007 4:26 am

    It speaks what 95% of the Pakistanis want to say

    I wonder how did you access 95% of Pakistanis. Can you provide your stats details?

    Don’t ya think that our lame politicians are enough to give such lame “political” statements?

    From the date of release, KKL has attracted 0.4 millions people from entire Pakistan not “Karachi”.(source GEO). The way they poured money for propaganda advertisement, the figure is not much. I think Syed Noor’s “Choorian” had attracted more during same period.

  100. nand says:
    September 7th, 2007 11:23 am

    “being a fundamentalist is not a crime”
    Of course not. But abduction and rape definitely is. I am not calling for a witch hunt but for the law to take its course. Don’t you think it conveys a dangerous message when a maulana who confesses to have forcibly married off a girl and goaded somebody to rape her is being let go off? I can understand your sympathies for the young man – though he should have been punished too according to the law of the land. I think this was a cop out by the director who didn’t want his neck on the line anymore than it may already be. Still a movie is worth watching.

  101. Akif Nizam says:
    September 7th, 2007 12:11 pm

    Nand, in my humble opinion, if the movie did what you asked it to do, then it would be a very ordinary, run-of-the-mill, Bollywood-like movie, where there are clear lines between good and evil, and the creator gets to make an example of the “bad guys”. You should realize that there are millions in Pakistan (some even on this blog), who even after watching the movie, would relate more to the Taliban Maulana than the other side. “What’s worse?” they would say, “getting married to a decent religious muslim boy, albiet by force, or …..the other alternative”.

    While Shoaib did not keep it a secret as to which side he belongs to, he did not want to brand the detractors as evil, rather as misinformed and lacking perspective. The target is to ask questions, not to provide answers.

    Adnan, this movie is not a purely commercial venture; it is playing in a very limited release, in a very controller manner, and clearly appeals to a much smaller audience than a song & dance movie would. However, before you start tallying up numbers, I think you should wait until it is released in the UK and the USA and is finished making the round ups of the film festivals around the world, not to mention DVD sales that are sure the dwarf the theater figures. Then perhaps, you can start your comparisons with trashy Lollywood flicks from the past.

  102. Dewana Aik says:
    September 7th, 2007 2:12 pm

    Abdullah, we don’t need RAND to commit crimes against us. Our Mullahs are doing a much better job by killing innocent fellow Muslims/Pakistanis and keeping us backwards by anarchy and supporting every military dictator there is.

  103. September 7th, 2007 2:18 pm

    akif, spending few days in Pakistan doesn’t mean you can conclude about media campaign about the movie.

    The movie was heavily advertised by using all modes of advertisement by GEO, the channels, the billboards,banners etc etc which was not done before for any Pakistani movie so your claim that it was targeting limited audience doesn’t hold any water. GEO did anything they could to bring people in cinemas for the movie. Even they are coming up with so called religious program in which guys like ghamidi and few others trying to “convince” that all was OK in the movie. Khair..

  104. Akif Nizam says:
    September 7th, 2007 3:11 pm

    Adnan Bhai, I watch Geo every day. I don’t need to go to Pakistan to see how heavily they advertised it; it’s their product; why wouldn’t they advertise it ?

    But Geo is a private entity; how does their movie qualify as State-sponsored propaganda?

    By the way, have you watched the movie? Just curious.

  105. September 8th, 2007 1:11 am

    yep I did watch and I am glad that whatever I wrote about the movie before watching was not lie at all. *grin*

    ; it

  106. Abdullah says:
    September 8th, 2007 1:42 am

    Dewan Aik ! “supporting every military dictator ”

    Sorry Sir ! RAND is extremely important. It gives the guide line & provide the series of actions against ‘ faith lovers’to ‘liberals’.

    The film like KKL & websites like “Naseeb” emerged under this guideline. Those who are promoting this film on Chowk, Naseeb & here are the part of RAND scheme.

    Sir! why u r blaiming Mullah, what the liberal icon Benazie has done & what she is doing under the American pressure. It is the history of moderates & liberals who flourished under the umbrella of army rule.

  107. Mohsin says:
    September 10th, 2007 3:56 am

    me b aaj hi as ko dekhu ga. wau wau ..

  108. Dewana Aik says:
    September 10th, 2007 5:01 am

    Abdullah, are you saying these suicide bombings by religious fanatics are carried out on behest of RAND? Or has RAND told Mullahs to tell people to not send their daughters to school or not take polio vaccine or blow up video shops or support dictators via 17th amendment? Don?t be childish?the reasons for our problems are much closer than you would have us believe.

  109. Abdullah says:
    September 10th, 2007 7:27 am

    Not a single relegious scholor guided anyone to not to send their daughters to school. Not a single relegious scholor support suicide bombing.

    Liberal Benazir is helping dictator to rule Pakistan. 17th amendment was the ‘safe passage’ for the army rule to convert into civilian dress.

    Basically, RAND is exposing Liberal’s agenda to ruined the basic ideology of Pakistan. Film KKL & website like Naseeb are the partners for this cause.

  110. Dewana Aik says:
    September 10th, 2007 7:45 am

    All these things (suicide bombings, prohibiting girls from educations) are coming from madrassas and mosques. This is all over the media, how naive do you think everyone is? All suicide bombings are linked with religious extremists mostly followers of the deobandi thought (such as Taliban just to name one). What was Lal Masjid? They openly fired upon innocent and the whole world saw it.

    Forget about RAND, we have our biggest nightmare right here in the form of religious extremists.

  111. Amber Haqqi says:
    September 11th, 2007 12:04 am

    I saw the movie few days back and really liked it.It tells us clearly that these “Mullas” have made Islam a complicated religion,otherwise Islam is the most clear religion and has most human rights,esp for woman….i really liked it…Congrats to Shoaib Mansoor,well done and keep it up…

  112. Ali Qazi says:
    September 12th, 2007 2:42 pm

    Salam Alaikum,

    The movie Khuda ke liye oozes with positivity that is being overlooked by people who feel threatened for their deen and their way of life.

    The first thing I’d like to emphasize is that all the controversial things, including musical instruments, muslim women marrying non-muslim men, Dawood Alayh salam’s songs etc etc have been topics of discussion in the classical islamic discourse for centuries. It is very very common in traditional islam to have differing opinions. Someone posted earlier “do you follow shariah 100%”. That is technically impossible. The fact of the matter is that shariah itself is not absolute. Classical sunni scholars have divided shariah in several parts, aqeedah, fiqh, tassawuf, maqasid etc. These parts of shariah have different schools of thought in sunni islam which have always disagreed on many things, hence, DIFFERENT schools of thought. There are 3 schools of aqeedah(At-hari, Ash’ari, Mathuridi), four schools of fiqh(Hanafi, Maliki, Shafi’i, Hanbali) and several different turuqat for authentic tassawwuf.

    Differences arose when islam expanded into differnt parts of the world. The concept of Urf(local customs) was established to make the higher ideals of islam(tawheed, ibadaat, ethics, adaab, social justice etc) embed into the local customs of peoples of different regions. In classical Islam, the higher ideals have always been emphasized much more than lesser ahkamaat(beard, non-silk garments etc), which are nonetheless, ahkamaat.

    Therefore please try to understand that the topics of contention in this movie arise out of the growth and expansion of traditional islam and not RAND or the very very stupid enlightened moderation movement.

    Secondly, muslims and pakistanis in general always seem to have a very negative outlook. There’s a lot of things in this movie that very positive and essential for pakistani islamic society and the pakistani islamic culture. In an age when the kabaa-ir are rampant in our communities and people are getting more and more de-sensitized about such things this movie re-affirms that stealing, drinking, fornication and gambling are indeed evil acts. Its also important to note that while its now a norm in pakistani film and art to sell the bodies of women for greater audience(look no further than the next atif aslam video) shoaib mansoor chooses not show such things. Thats what a true muslim would do. Just like Junaid Jamshed says, be-hayaee mein hamari izzat nahi hai.

    Finally, the film also proves that Pakistanis love Islam and they WANT to be good muslims. People just need an avenue that gets shut down by people like the Taliban Mullah, but there’s hope from people like Naseer Uddin Shah character who was also, by the way, a long bearded, five time praying, khutbah giving MULLAH!

    In the end, Mary is a changed person. She realizes that the kinda life she lead in England was not fitting to her needs, and was only a byproduct of the negative environment her father raised her in. She then becomes Mariam and decides to make meaning out of her life by teaching young girls in the Afghan village. Sarmad returns to playing music, but keeps his beard for the love of his prophet and continues to pray and give the beautiful adhan.

    This movie is call for pakistanis to escape westernization and escape arabization and return the roots of pakistani culture and return to the creed of Islam and establish a balanced Pakistani Islamic society.

    May Allah reward Shoaib Mansoor for his apparent sincerity and passion for this cause.
    May Allah reward the callers to peace and justice.
    May Allah guide all of us away from munkar.
    May Allah bless all of the struggling muslims and give them victory over their conquerors.
    May Allah bless all of us.

    wsalam alaikum

  113. Ali Qazi says:
    September 12th, 2007 2:47 pm

    Another point, someone said in an earlier post that we dont need mullahs.

    Why did Shoaib Mansoor choose to bring an older and wiser Mullah to come and set things straight?

  114. Deewana Aik says:
    September 13th, 2007 12:39 am

    “Why did Shoaib Mansoor choose to bring an older and wiser Mullah to come and set things straight?”

    To fight fire with fire :D

    Shoaib knows what sort of stereotypical appearance can convince people in matter of their faith.

  115. Ali Qazi says:
    September 13th, 2007 2:32 pm

    “To fight fire with fire ”

    In other words, mullah against mullah….thats the only way to do it…..reform from within.

  116. Faisal says:
    September 15th, 2007 8:32 am

    I guess its the first time in Pakistan the history has been made and the issues are unfolded in a fashion that addresses the consious and subconcious minds. 60 years of independance and we still confused about whether we’re secular or fundamentalist. Its about time to ease up a little bit.
    But ofcourse the government has a huge role to play on this issue. Putting the whole blame on a group and labeling them as a terrorists wont solve a thing. The whole world knows who created Taliban and who sponsered it. Atleast somebody is loyal to their people. For every problem, there’s a solution. Solution is Justice.

    “Justice delayed is Justice denied”
    “No Justice, No peace”

    gr88888 effort and excellent script. I hope its the beginning of something huge. cheers and good luck.

  117. Faisal says:
    September 15th, 2007 9:13 am

    I guess this is the first time the history has been made in Pakistan Cinema. KKL, a story that unfolds the issues of time in a fashion to both concious and subconcious minds. 60 years and yet we dont have a clue for what we really stand for. I stand by Justice, certainly not music and obviously not religion.

    The government however has a huge to role to play in it. They always step aside in hard times for which pakistanis are and always been really grateful. Throwing the whole blame on a group that was created and sponsered by the same governments who are now calling them jihadist or Terrorist is simply absurd. Am glad atleast somebody is loyal to their people. On the other hand, its $5000/ person. A British citizen gets justice as soon as she was able to contact the embassy while supreme court’s chief justice was humiliated by those who should protect and serve.

    “Justice delayed is Justice denied”

    We take things for granted. How many funerals we have got to go to? how many scenes of crimes we have to witness? before we realize that the only way out of this is to “struggle to survive”. You want a change you’ve got to fight for it. Ain’t nobody is gonna give it to you. You just gonna have to take it.

    “No Justice, No peace”

    I think I got carried be the movie.Music was gr8888 especially > was off the hook. gr888 script, gr888 work, way better than those bollywood masala movies. This is a beginning of something huge. cheers and good luck.

  118. maria says:
    September 22nd, 2007 10:05 pm

    wow i just went through about 15 pages of comments and just had to put in my bit.

    A film is a film. It, as has been pointed out before, is not something to learn religion friom. Although i agree it raises many controversial issues, i do not understand why people would deprecate the film itself. It is a great film, with some absolutely masterful acting friom shaan, a great script and extremely powerful and thought provoking themes not to mention an astounding soundtrack, which deserves respect and recognition on its own. It is highly disappiointing to see people not appreciating a film for just what it is, an expression of ideas, thought and feeling.

    It is alsio extremely sad that we Muslims have to argue over everything, especially our religion,. Every Muslim believes in his/her own way. whether they decide to grow a beard or wear a burqa, and it is no ones right but Giod Almighty’s Himself to judge anyones religion but their own. What should be more important to us as human beings is whether we are good human beings or not, not whether someone else is a good Muslim or not.

    The ideas expressed in this film may or may not be true, but no one asked anyone to see this film for a spiritual awakening. If one believes truly, this film will not make a difference to their religious ideology, and one who does not believe will ponder about Islam and may even be influenced to be a better Muslim. Where is the harm in that?

    This movie does not attack Islam. Fundamentalism, twisted fathers and our hypocritical set of values yes, but Islam, no. I think its really time for us Muslims to develop an aesthetic sense and appreciate a film for what it is.

    Personally, i thiought it was a great film, especially as it was Pakistani and we rarely produce many good things. It is moving, deep and emotionally draining, all characteristics of an epic.

  119. Tariq Mehmood says:
    October 2nd, 2007 8:04 pm

    Hats off to the very genius MANSOOR SHOAIB for bringing out such a real Pakistani movie.Completely agree with the review,,,i had just seen the movie and dint think for a moment that KKL was against Islam in any one scenes so all those fatwahs are just pointless. The arguments were well justified. One more thing which i would like to add to the review is that the story was well strecthed b/w characters and the viewer is never let bored in the film.

  120. Syed imran says:
    October 9th, 2007 1:24 pm

    Salam aleikum, great review, i mdefinietly going to watch this released today on dvd in an indian muslim but has pakistani relatives/friends …. I love to visit pakistan once…inshallah i will very soon…

  121. eeman says:
    October 17th, 2007 5:41 pm

    just saw the movie yesterday…. gotta say it went far beyond my expectations…. it was more than just a good flick…. it was thought provoking, moving and certainly a reminder to maybe rethink wat religion is turning into… its not about rituals or clothes or language….. its about wats inside…. and as the movie beautifully puts it…. if its burning in ur heart… it’ll be portrayed on the outside itself…. as for all those who think it should not be seen… its just their insecurities talking…. be strong enuff in ur belief to listen to another’s point of view…. u just might learn a bit from it! AMAZING AMAZING movie. Great job!

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  123. Mudassir Raheel says:
    October 24th, 2007 2:59 am

    Read and Write your opinions on Khuda ke liye – in the name of God here.

    Reviews on Khuda ke liye – in the name of God

    May God send us in the right direction – Ameen

  124. Faddy says:
    October 26th, 2007 2:05 am

    I just watched the movie because I heard so much about it. So I have decided to watch it and I really liked it. I think one of the best Pakistani movies ever made. I watched the movie and I felt that I must appreciate.

  125. Shahbaz says:
    October 27th, 2007 12:35 am

    I must say “MIND BLOWING”.

    Everybody must have to see it.

    WE should make sure that not only Pakistani’s but the whole world should see this movie.

    We should spread Word of Mouth AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.

  126. Arif says:
    October 27th, 2007 2:01 am

    Film ‘Khuda Kay Liyay’ is the best film I have ever seen. Normally I dont watch Pakistani movies but very much moved once I saw this movie. This movie must get the Oscar nomination for the excellent story/quality of acting/music etc. Shoaib Mansoor has proved that Pakistani film can be much better than the Indian Movies. I would suggest Shoaib Mansoor to translate this movie into many languages and should be shown all over the world. I am pretty sure its going to be top hit movies in Europe/Middle East and dont forget Africa like Kenya, Tanzania, Uganda, South Africa etc..

  127. October 27th, 2007 3:17 am

    This movie is good and bad.Good therefore because all aspect of the modern world has been created in a good way and bad therefore because all pathan are not so crual to make a relation forcely with someone bcoz now adays pathan are highly civilized and they make a link with the choice of their childeren.Other bad aspect of the movie is Music is totally forbidden in islam and music is not allowed in islam secondly the difference between punjabi molvi and pathan molvi .Molvi in Pathan are not liking crisis but these have been totally ignored ,and tha molvi in punjab are enlightened citizen and they like these things coz they are higly effected by Europian environment.The third bad aspect in this movie is to bring Emaan and again change doctrine this is not allowed in islam and that is called murtad in islam any how this is musharraf movie and they people want this .But I think if someone is stand with his belief he may never be changed and this movie can not change the society as shoaib mansoor wants.


  128. Rafay Kashmiri says:
    October 27th, 2007 5:20 am

    Secular showbusiness fixing immature minds,

    setting them discretely against religion, based on

    what ? and which authentic sociology ?????

    is there any pedagogy available on the subject, or

    is it pure propoganda ???

    can we have a film against alcoholism and
    Fahashi, in Pakistan ??

  129. Durre Fatima says:
    October 31st, 2007 7:45 am

    For Shaoib Mansoor,I am not the first one to appreciate the movie KKL, nor want to be the last, but want to definitely pendown my unfathomable applause for the only creative genius of our present pakistani media.
    The movie, took care of everything, from being sober in every way and yet addressing each n every turmoilic inner and external conflicts that pakistanis as a nation confront from. I really really want to meet you Shaoib Mansoor and praise you for everything literally that you have ever produced or directed.
    From the first scene to the last, one is literally glued to the seat, awestruck thateverything is perfectly in place and in order from nitty gritties to everything grand in the movie…the story,plot,sub plots.
    As I was right there when the 9/11 tragedy happened in NYC,so I could relate to those scenes, specially the impeccable scenes of a non muslim sect showing protest towards a muslim and the great ‘them’ distributing antimuslim pamphlets to the dumbos of the world & the way Shaan is tortured,it made me cry for hours, as i thought about as i frequently do for all the innocent people still being held and charged for no reason at all..thts exactly what happened and still is happening.
    You know Shoaib Mansoor, you should make movie like this more often, you can be a most influential voice from Pakistan in the international media. My God, I couldnt sleep for days after watching this wonderful,immaculate piece of art…love you for that, am really proud of you!!!
    And, am sure you know, the mistake you did, was to mix the haraam thing with the ‘dislikes’…a muslim woman cant marry a non muslim but a man can…only in jews n christians…WHY?? many reasons, but when Allah says something…then its an order to be obeyed not questioned.
    But, in the case of Mary, it was ok, as she wasnt a muslim by any definition.

  130. Saher says:
    November 4th, 2007 2:27 pm

    ahhh well i didnt find anything remotely controversial.. but yes the typical mullahs would find it controversial at quite a lot of places.. if somebody takes out time to read islamic history in detail, the movie would be a wonderful experience, there is much more to islam than wars.

  131. Nehan Khalid says:
    November 14th, 2007 6:22 am

    I think its the best movie Ive ever seen.Its story, concept, music,cast n everything is too good. i just cant help thinking about it.Fawad’s(Sarmad)acting was awsome n so was his role.i was stunned to see Shan.His acting is mindblowing.I think Sir Shoib did a great work.Thanks sir 4 giving us such a nice gift.Outr nation needs something like this.It has also changed me alot.Every1 dont delay watch it,it is a worth watching movie better than everyother especially all those sucking bollywood movies1!!!!

  132. Tazeen says:
    November 25th, 2007 12:46 pm

    There is just not one or two thing about the KKL to be admired ………the sensitive issue touched by Shoaib Mansoor (the pride of Pakistan) and the way he handled it, the need of such depiction, the indepth research done and his courage to put it on screen. This should be called a truely a Pakistani movie……not a single obscenic scene in the whole movie. Though there was enough room for it but Shoaib Mansoor (the gem of Pakistan) showed that good films could be made without revealing women’s flesh. This is a movie that every pakistani should watch to express their patriotism and above all to encourage the talented people like Shoab Mansoor who did a fabulous job. There are plenty issues in our society that needed to be addressed and there are people who can handle them tactfully………. Lets encourage them.
    At the end I would request every pakistani………please, please, please don’t go for the pirated print of the movie. Let the film producer and every person related to it make a significant profit of it. This would make the virtually talented people to come forward and to produce thoughtful movies like this and develop the true picture of Pakistan.
    I wish the Government of Pakistan wave-off the movie’s entertaiment tax or all sorts of taxes.
    It would be magnificant if Shoaib Mansoor could do the subtitles or a translated version of KKL…….so that the people other than pakistanis could get the message.

  133. Fateh Mohammad says:
    December 8th, 2007 1:26 am

    The movie vilianously symbalizes Mualana Samuil Haq just to propagate the impression that fanaticism is attached with a particular ethnicity of Pakistan audiciouly camoflouging the fact that almost ideologies of hate and perversion originated in the ethnic groups that are now pretending to be very liberal. The movie doesn’t mention that the architects of Jehad, Khalafath, etc. belonged to East of Indus. To name a few, Mualana Qasim Nanutawi, Maulana Rashid Ahmad Gangohi, Maulana mahmudul Hassan, Mualana Muadudi, Mualana Israr Ahmad, etc. Deoband, Tabligh, Barelaith, etc. the radical Islamist philosophies were born elsewhere.

  134. adnan says:
    December 8th, 2007 3:21 pm

    This movie could have been much better. 1) there were some major director errors in this movie, the person mansoor was married to an american girl, she could have gone to court to receive justice against her husband, ameican courts do serve justice even against the american govt 2) It also showed that she just left her husband as he was being deported, just another biasness against the white women 3) I just hated the line from mansoor where as a pakistani muslims he take credit for the built of taj mahal and conquest of spain, we all know that there are far more indian muslims than in pakistan and the people who conquered spain were arabs and not pakistanis, pakistani should focus on pakistan irrespect of the religon and not the entire muslim world, it just like a German takes credit for first americans on moon just because they were christians. 3) It would have nice to see that mary to reunite with Dave and perhaps they both helped in building the school and the father being arrested by british for evil sins he caused. 4) how could the mullah storm in the court, where there no police in the pakistani court – that bad direction. Overall it was a movie that was average but could have been better, just like a hollywood action movies portay americans propaganda, this movie was slightly tilted towards pakistani propaganda. This is movie was a good start and hope there could be better movies in future from pakistan but this movie cannot be compared as example to kingdom of heaven

  135. fharnyte says:
    December 8th, 2007 4:41 pm

    STUPID MOVIE can’t brain wash any one who want to revert to Islam..

  136. Rafay Kashmiri says:
    December 8th, 2007 6:58 pm

    @ an organisation will collect opinion on this and other
    films and announce them early next year, they said they
    have distributed 2000 form opinions.

  137. Anonymous says:
    December 9th, 2007 3:19 am


    I vehemently disagree with you. Do you have the great directorial skills to judge a veteran director’s performance?
    So what if this movie had a Pakistani bias? Aren’t Hollywood and Bollywood movies like that? There are plenty of Bollywood movies that hurl insulting remarks against Pakistan blatantly like the one in the movie “Dhan Dhana Dhan Goal” and other movies like that. You comments seem to be overly critical. Scene in which violence in the Pakistani Courts was shown is a complete possibility in Pakistan. In the time of Nawaz Sharif, He was alleged to support a mob attack on political case in Pakistani court.

  138. Farhin says:
    December 11th, 2007 10:18 am

    This is my first movie that has been directed and produced by a Pakistani and the effort is worth commenting on.The story line was sensitive and it was handled in a manner which not only provided entertainment but also information and views.

    The acting was realistic and my whole family loved the movie.

  139. Ahmad says:
    December 12th, 2007 2:10 am

    Khuda Kay Liye,
    I hate to disagree with YH but I saw the movie here in Chicago area with my family this weekend and we were impressed by direction and by the overall impression of the movie. Even though movie is a great achievemnet for a Pakistan but overall it is very ordinary effort (according to even my 15 yr old Son) none of the actors were convinvincing even Shan was good in song but prison performance was not very convincing.
    I really expected a lot more from Shoib but none of it was on the screen. You can go for a walk and come back and still not miss a beat. The screen play and dialogues were all ordinary not even typical Pakistn drama quality. I am greatly disappointed in a wasted effort and very lame story told in a very ordinary pedesterian way. I think the only actor who did justice and stole the show was Mualana Taheri because not many people have paid attention to his mannerism and acting. He was in Shoib ‘s Anar kali video as Akbar. I think he is probably the best actor we have now. He was by far the best actor in the movie and the rest of them were very ordinary and nothing special except perhaps Sarmad the naive muscian who was believable. Even my son says we have a long way to go to match even the Bollywood masala movies. It is a great effort but I wouldn’t get my oscar out yet. Let us be honest this is a good effort but no crowning achievement.

  140. S. K. Arshad says:
    December 24th, 2007 3:07 pm

    Simply awesome, awesome, awesome to the power infiniti… In the Name of GOD.. by shoaib Mansoor, is a marvelous work done crucially needed today to make our people aware of the realities of our DIN and way of life… I can’t say enough in the comment section… you will be seeing a whole article of analysis of the movie soon in the media….

    Salute to Shoaib Mansoor Sahib for his excellent, breath taking work. He has covered so beautifully all the problems and issues that we have today in our society. I would love to watch the move over and over again….. And would like to meet Mr. Shoaib Mansoor and thank him for his much needed movie depicting so artistically all the issues that are lying today in our society.

    Thanks again….

  141. wasim uk says:
    January 2nd, 2008 6:16 pm

    salam to all
    im a young doctor working in uk at da moment have been in uk for past 4-5 yrs..
    well this is for the first time that i really thought reviewing the ‘reviews and comments’ regarding this movie
    cople of things i must say b4 going ne further
    all my life 2 personalities dat really inspired me have been shoaib mansoor and junaid jamshed..
    I always loved junaids songs n lyrics.
    I never mised a minute of ne drama directed by shoaib mansoor…wether it was geetar 93 or abc.
    i wont say dat im very pious man but as mentioned in so many msges, one thing i really want to tell and stress upon is ,as muslim no matter wat level of muslim u r ,one should have the courage to say wat is right and wat is wrong,though one may not follow the teachings of islam one should atleast respect them and must ve..i must repeat must have complete faith in the teachings of islam as told in Quran and Hadees.
    as i mentioned earlier i have been always a fan of shoaib mansoor n jj…but i did know,i did feal so many times in my life that these all things are not what v have been taught in our religion..
    coming back to the movie..i really wanted to watch it but for some reason i couldnt,i just couldnt so far..
    its just that any movie basically based on religions somewat distracts my inner being if they DONT reflect or respect the religion in a way it should do (e.g divinci code though like by many ,i couldnt watch it coz concept doesnt go along wid teachings of islam)
    now if u c the movie just for the sake of appreciation of skills/cinematography/direction i m more then 100 % sure it would be beter den the best of some hollywood movies,because i dont think any body can argue the skills of shoab mansoor in this field..
    but coming back to the concept of songs being allowed in islam,and the fact that dere is as if no respect of females regarding dere opionion for mariage..its all really very tricky..
    only beacuse people like me, who dont have v strong faith ,can so very easily find an excuse to listen songs wenever they want to,if i used to listen it for 1 hr or so in a day,after watching i may say dats f9 yar go ahead with and may be listening for many hours if time allows..
    some of the hadees that ive heard indicate that music is not considered right in islam..
    so wat my instincts tell me is that it is wrong and thats doesnt matter at all how much i like it or not!
    we are not here to give our own views regarding religion,Almighty Allah who is our and whole universe creator,if he is saying something through his beloved Prophet(P.B.U.H),isnt it the final verdict!
    one thing i couldnt resist mentioning, is in my opinion,Sunnah is something the best way of doing any thing as it was the way it was performed by our Prophet(P.B.U.H),as told by our creator ,and he was sent for the whole universe,until the day of judgement,his actions were loved by Allah,and its not as if they cant be followed as there are still numerous very good muslims following the right path and still following each and every Sunnah.
    I dont have beard but i would hesitate to say religion is not in beard,what we should say Allah give us hidayat & courage ,so one day even we should be able to follow the path of our greatest Prophet Muhammad(PBUH).
    and about Mullahs,now its NOT as if every mullah is right ,I wouldnt agree,but have we ever thought that the

  142. suhail akram says:
    January 14th, 2008 7:49 am

    let me begin by saying , that the film has filled me up with the flickering light of optimism again, no matter how much i wept or how many times i clenched my fists during the course of the film.
    growing up watching ‘ramayana-the once highly rated epic of hindu god ram to the present day fleshy gyrations of kitschy indian female actors’ i always longed for someone who could piece together our broken narrative wheather by word or through visuals.i am kashmiri muslim and i know what it means to be ‘branded’!
    this broken narrative of ‘Islam as a religion of Peace’ of we muslims that others don’t understand and least the narrative that others cash upon to put us in boxes and we are but the products of this narrative written down for we as muslims and for islam as a religion only to churn out stereotypes like moderative islam and extremist islam, a moderate and a conserative,a fundamentalist and a wasternised, a forward looking and a inward looking….”aye Allah teray masoom banday kidar jaye”…we feel. cry inwardly, are flustered with these nerve shaterring stereotypes.and at the end we feel bursting out as if someone is strangling us, we want to shout but dont know what to say. thus we just shout in reply to these sham lies and stereotypes illogically only to exacerbate the issue…
    ‘khuda kay liye’ if not necessarly answered but boiled down this illogical shouting on our part. so here we are healing our wounds with our own hands, and that is what is needed. the answers and the solutions will come from we only…for we know where it hurts most…”bol ki lab azad hay teray, bol ki zuba ab taq teri hai…”enough shouting…may reason and logic prevail…….

  143. February 22nd, 2008 5:24 am

    Shoaib Mansoor has done a great service by touching a subject and doing justice to it too that is considered taboo these days. Everyone here has justifyably praised the movie and its maker, I would like to say just one liner in support of Shoaib’s monumental effort that ‘ the movie is highly thought provoking’ it forces its audience to ponder which is essence of Islam.

  144. Gill says:
    February 24th, 2008 3:46 am

    This seemed like an interesting movie. The problem is where it got into things that went over the writers’ heads. Namely, religion.

    Just as how a sci-fi movie aficionado would roll their eyes at say, Aliens vs. Predator, or anyone proficient with a computer would roll their eyes at any scene involving the use of machines in movies to randomly hack into things, download/upload viruses, and all that lame drama… anyone who knows an inkling about Islam would roll their eyes at the religious content and views of the writer of this film.

    Good try though considering it came out of Pakistan’s almost dead industry.

  145. Fateh Mohammad says:
    March 29th, 2008 11:52 pm

    Hi all!

    Please don’t propagate this movie to be a step in the right direction…Some people, including Pashtuns, have strong reservation about this movie. There was a discussion done on this movie in a Pashtun group. Following are two posts from the discussion.

    “Actually, your evidently rabid Paki-ism/Desism -the daming disease as it is – is not letting you see the whole point i.e. the oversimplification and reductionism “employed” in the movie when showing the misuse of Islam for social oppression…Religious extremism and intolerance is something that has dynamited the minds of the Muslims accross the globe- and more so of the Muslims bred and groomed in the liberty of the West – but the movie has targetedly picked only one community to epitomise all that is evil about Islam…that is Pashtuns…How just that is? How can you claim that “in the name of God” is in play in the Pashtun society only and the rest of the Muslim world is all liberty ?

    In the other threads that I read you have strongly reccommended this movie to the members to watch and have praised it to be something of a rare artistic accomplishment. Now you have modified your opinion a bit- begrudgingly though-and have accepted that ” a couple characters were portrayed negatively in the one-third of the entire movie who happened to be pashtun.” Your Desi biase, alas, would not allow you to answer the question, honestly, that why were mostly Pashtuns choosen as negative characters!

    As for positive portrayel of one or two trvial Pashtun characters, that was of course necessary for effective propaganda—make it realistic and bit palatable for the common observer…

    My Pashtun brothers and sisters here are so innocent that they have recognized only one aspect of the malicious intentions of the movie maker i.e. the reinforcement of the stereotype…

    The other rather more sinister motive behind the movie-making is not evident to them due to their lack of knowledge…that is to popularise a new interpretation of Pashtuns culture to advance the Desi geopolitical agenda in that region… that, strict interpretation of Islam is somehow in congruence with the practices and tenats of Pashtunwali and as such Taleban phenomenon has a logical association with and strong supporting ground in Pashtun Culture ….Once I heard the Dravidianized views of a Desi general (Gen Asad Durrani), who was telling a Western audience that Taleban are a logical manifestation of a Pashtun’s social disposition and has precedence in Pashtun history in the person of Ahmad Shah Baba, who was a Taleb…They are selling the world the idea that moderate Desis with their Barelvi creed are sort of bulwark to the the expansionist orthodoxy from west of Indus.

    In the movie in question, they characterize a Lahore mullah, whose name is Javed Ahmad Ghamidi as Nasiruddin Shah and Mualana Samuil Haq, the mullah of Akora Khattak, as another character to bring home the point above. It is pertinent to mention that Javed Ahmad Ghamidi has emerged as a liberal mullah after 9/11 who espouses liberal Islam because that is what is currently popular with the Western capitals of power. These Desis can prostitute any thing for their petty motives…democracy, religion, communism, secularism, etc.”

    “You are still hypocritically avoiding to answer the fundamental question and focussing only on the secondary/lateral issues…The point is why were ONLY Pashtuns choosen to portray the ills that have plagued Muslim communities globally? Why have ethnic sub-qualification assigned to the main characters?In one previous post, you’ve said, “a couple of negative characters HAPPEN to be Pashtuns” …as if the movie appeared by itself from no where and was not the handi-work of some brats out to populaise a certain image of Pashtuns and mispresent the political situation in that region…?

    Again you say “the portrayel was not deliberate”…Excuse me, is there any limit to your dishonesty? Even a kid can understand you are trying to defend the undefendable by implying that all this was not pre-meditaed…that the movie-makers didn’t develop the idea, the script writer didn’t choose the plot and characters carefully according to the main idea, that the production team didn’t discuss the story and the characters thoroughly, and that the director didn’t materialise the idea and the plot as realistically as possible….and that all this was an arbitrary initiation that randomly evolved into what it is?

    By the way, have you some Desi associations for I haven’t seen any Pashtun to be so defending of Paki things as you are of this movie? Probably, you posted the link on this site out for same intentions (just kidding) to achieve same effects with it as other Paki mechinations i.e. making Pashtuns feel embarrassed and apologetic about their culture and weaken their national resolve and sense of identity…

    Anyhow, if you say that the film aimed at projecting the sociale impact of the orthodox interpretation of religion within Pakistan, even there the characterization was grassly inadequate, misrepresentation of the situation on ground, based on malafide intentions, and indicative of the the deceitful nature of the Desis. It is pertinent to remind Desis that when their Mohammad Iqbal–that fake philosopher- and other Desi leaders were fanning religious passions in the Subcontinent at the behest of their British masters, our great Ghaffar Khan was laying the foundations of one of the most lively secular and liberal movements/party -duely called one of the two truly secular and liberal political movements in South Asia, the other being the Indian National Congress…

    The Desis try to conceal that every single ideology of terror in that region is a product of the subversive and treacherous mentalities of Desis(Indic Muslims) injected into our society from accross the Indus…Tabligh, Deoband, Bareliath, Maududiath, and all kind of other fanatic ideologies…

    Even the attempt to find a connection between Islamic orthodoxy and plight of women in Pashtun society was a ridiculous effort to make it fit into the current geopoltical scene…”

  146. Zarmeen Zubair says:
    April 6th, 2008 2:00 am

    Amazing movie. But I Have to disagree with Kamran somorro about the music as he is saying that they were few things that were Halal but later they were declared Haram. But what about the Hazrat Ayesha argument where Hazrat Muhammad (
    P.B.U.H) asket Hazrat Ayesha to send some singers with the barat. and onestly i havent read anything in the Quran about music being Haram.

  147. Fatima says:
    April 21st, 2008 8:37 am

    I like the movie overall but i am really upset about why Shoaib has used the name of Hazrat Imam Hussain (A.S.) while picturing the die hard and terrorist kind of religious people in the movie. We all know there are good and bad people, extremiests and modest people in every religion but by showing Hazrat Imam Hussain (A.S.)’s name in Afghanistan Shoaib has tried to propogate the concept that most of the terrifying religious extremiests come from a Shia background even the terrorist Afghanis are also Shia. I am sorry to say but my knowledge says most of the Afghanis are so poor they are not getting good education, neither Islamic nor Academic so actually they are not following any specific religious group or any of the Rasul-e-Paak (S.A.W.W.)’s Sahaba or Grandsons properly.

    Any illiterate person who does not have religious or proper academic education is going to destroy his ownself and other peoples’ lives too while following his own stupid conceptions whether he pretends to follow Hazrat Imam Hussain or Hazrat Abu Bakar, it never means a learned man like Shoaib should have had shown some specific name in the desserts of Afghanistan to prove most of the Jaahil Afghanis are following Shiaism, and that is absolutely incorrect.

  148. Himanshu says:
    April 24th, 2008 9:18 am

    Hi ppl. I’m Himanshu from India. This movie was released in India on 4th apr, 2008. I have no idea about the overall response of crowd, but this was not just another topic based movie. For Indians, it was an extremely informative movie narrated very well.

    For me personally, I have never seen such spectacular movie. Now i know something more about Islam and thats really positive.

    Especially in second half, hall was pin drop silent and everybody was totally engrossed in what was goin on screen. This clearly shows how good the movie was.

  149. Tina says:
    April 24th, 2008 11:47 am

    Finally saw the movie.

    After all the hype I was not so impressed.

    I found the character development shallow. The acting quality was not so hot. I hated the American actress. Hated her. She enunciated like she was in a high school drama class. Was this because Mansoor was afraid that his audience wouldn’t understand idiomatic American English?

    Iman Ali is lovely to look at, but it takes more than that.

    I think esp. in the portrayal of the cross cultural relationship the screenwriter could have dug much deeper. The stumbling blocks don’t really revolve around the woman agreeing not to wear shorts or eat bacon. They revolve around the complete inability of Americans to understand the Pakistani concepts of, among other things, family obligations just to give an example (“why can’t we put your mother in a nursing home, dear? What?! You expect ME to look after her?”)

    I don’t know, I felt the movie was skimming along the surface where some topics were concerned.

    But a great start and hopefully more projects of this type will follow in the future. I hope American audiences will warm to it if only to learn from another’s point of view.

  150. April 28th, 2008 12:52 am

    salamalikum.. sab se pahle mein yeh keho ga ke shoaib mansoor or shan ager mujhee nazar ayee to slute dono ko kay film banaye hai app neh kasam se dil se arab baar good movies…… mein mantaa hoon ke all world mein koi bhi aise admi nehi hai (shoaib mansoor) jesa ke writer bhi producer bhi and sab se bardi baat diractor bhi ho ker itni achi movie hai sir againnnn sluteeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee……….ok ji allah afiz and nice singer ahmad jehanzib and sayen zahoor….

  151. April 29th, 2008 9:05 am

    hi ,
    I am an indian.I saw the movie khuda ke liye, i think it was a sheer piece of brilliant directorial. Mr shoaib mansoor has justified his talent. i have seen his work for the first time & i want to see more of his new & previous work.The way he has addressed to the religious interpretation & misinterpretation is mind boggling, not only has he picked such a senstive & the need of the hour topic bur also the way he has justified the very esssence of it with his talent is worth applauding.Talking of religion whether hinduism or islam or anyother, i think being a young mind myself, i was always confused with what actually my religion hinduism says. Acc to my elders they say that woman are supposed to keep a fast called karvachaut for the long life of their husband as per our hindu epics, but why? today any logical woman may ask that if i am important for my husband as he is important for me then in that case we both should keep a fast & pray for each others long life.I dnt think there is any harm in doing that or that u r violating ur religion.According to ramayana god ram abandoned his wife sita as she stayed at ravan’s place & so she was considered impure , now this reflects that every hindu woman should take good care of her character. but how about men, ramayan was never interpreted in a way where it should also be taught that god ram sweared on getting married to only one woman , he said that one man should marry only one woman.but how many hindu men are honest to their wives & still swear to be a hindu. I think the whole point lies on how our religious books & epics are interpreted to our generations to come.As the director has shown in the movie that how the same quran was depicted in two different ways to the character played by fawad- one which made him wear jeans or wat ever he liked & sing & be a happy man, a good son, a good brother & a good human being and the other way which made him into cheating a girl & even raping her against her will.Now one can easily sense which way of following ones religion make one a better person. I think religion is a guide to man & his soul but blindly following it without actually understanding the essence of it as why it was said , who said it & under what circumstances is of no use.Every religion preaches love & peace& us to have humanity . I think the movie was awesome & it will touch every human soul of all religion & caste. I am planning to be a movie directo too, so having a flair for cinema , i am always hungry for art. Acc to me the director was brilliant. great screenplay, great visuals, good background music. The movie seemed authentic, the characters& their life seemed so natural.I think actor shaan acted real naturally. fawad enacted his characters diellema wid great brilliance. The only thing that i dnt like in the movie was actress iman ali, i think she was not meant for this role, unlike other actors who suited their characters and looked so natural, she looked like a typical movie actress & not her character maria. she was wearing makeup in afghan which was a loophole in the masterpiece. I am not trying to comment on her acting skill, but as from an audience point of view & director’s vision i would have not choosen her for this role , she was an out & out no no. Otherwise the movie was gr8& i wish to work with actor shaan & the director once i plan to make a movie.

  152. Ranjan says:
    May 4th, 2008 11:40 am

    I congratulate Shoaib Mansoor and Pakistan film Industry Lollywood for making such an effort, I always had desire of watching the progress of my neighbourhood industry, as then my neighbour, my brother will be progressing. I think this film has made a start of revolution atleast in the minds of people living in and outside Pakistan, either belonging to or having any relation to Pakistan. This film and Bollywood film, “Black & White” have released very near to each other and somehow touches each other on some messages like of changing the minds of people of present age and their thoughts who have gone against Muslims especially of Pakistan and of Afganistan. The time has changed and soon media and these sorts of films will bring a right revolution.

    I must congratulate Shoaib mansoor on presenting such an art, heart touching film and a big big film with so many locations, actors and messages.

  153. Salma says:
    May 10th, 2008 8:07 am

    I finally got to see the movie last night. Wow! what a gutsy and daring topic to be dissected in front of such a mixed audience, culturally, religiously and educationally speaking. I live in the US and rarely have the time/desire to watch Pakistani movies but this one was recommended by a Bangladeshi cousin who asked if I had seen it.

    I think the movie was excellent story wise, though lacking as most have pointed out in editing and acting in some places. The Chicago scenes could have been more real, as could the London “Goodenough College” I thought that was so generic. But it did touch my heart. It is the voice of so many educated Muslims, I will avoid the word “moderate” as it implies that there are many versions of the religion. The US interrogaters were not that bad, he reminded me of Larry King. The cussing was cool and original, the black music teacher was pretty credible too, that is as close as it gets to real classes here. Mansoors wife was a weak character. she should have been someone more “American” in spirits. And her voice did not match her playback singers.

    Returning to the story, it was a masterpiece. The dual standards of our ‘dads” and their warped sense of redemption was real, so was the scene in the end when the mother is stroking the hands of her older son. The arguments offered by the part played by Naseer-uddin Shah were so touching.
    But you know, I bet we have two groups of people, one that will hate it the other love it depending upon how they identify with the characters. But I think it was educational for non Muslims, I will show it to my class next semester (college students) and also recommend for teenagers.

    Religion is about peace no matter which one, it is the interpretations that divide us, our “we are better than thou” attitude of ignorance that brings us so much sorrow.

    Well done Mr. Mansoor, cheers to you…Juice only ;)

  154. bharat says:
    May 18th, 2008 12:52 pm

    hi this bharat all the way from doha ,first of all i just wann say many mnay thnks 2 mr mansoor who make such a wonderfull n great moview who itself is a answer for all the things which is happening all around the world,everybody is frustated by this kind of problem normally i used 2 watch only hindi movies n this is my first time i watch pakistani movies sir u belived me i watch this movie 32 times in one week so keep going ,

  155. bharat says:
    May 23rd, 2008 12:27 am

    hi assalwalekum mr mansoor this is my second salam n salute 2 u sir orignly i m nepali n from nepal bt crntly im in doha qatar from last 3years n i m hindu but i respect each n every religions,sir u just did a great job u hae sucessfully gve all the answers to those who always asked only questions n try 2 forece their their rules,we all hope more like this from u thanks

  156. sitara says:
    May 23rd, 2008 12:43 am

    the whole movie had been a wonderful experience to see but please shoaib mansoor has mixed or confused some of the people who are already not familiar with islam. music is haram in islam and that is can u justify that flute was hated by the prophet muhammad and music is halal in islam only daf is aloud in islam he has done a good job by making a movie on the problems faced by the muslims abroad but he shouldnt hav talked abt the things on which he didnt have confirmed or authenticated info wht abt the people who hav seen this movie n they r going to base their knowlwdge on this venture .shoaib mansoor does has confused them without telling them both sides of the picture this was merely arguing without knowledge
    when def was played women used to recite lyrics for the jihadis not loveliar songs so dont just get into things by seeing this movie

  157. deepak sankholia says:
    May 26th, 2008 4:30 am

    that movie was good . I like this movie very much…….and my friends like tooo.

    deepak sankholia
    bathinda(punjab) india

  158. Arvind says:
    May 26th, 2008 4:58 am

    . This is a fascinating film I have ever seen. I liked it very much. In the interest of the nation and even to the enduring peace every good and noble hearted citizen should see this movie. When I saw this film in a packed house theatre, a multiplex in Pune, India, it was a standing ovation at the end. I am very grateful to the producer for making such a wonderful bold film. Incidentally it is the first Pakistani movie to be shown in India. I expect many more films from this producer and director. Thanks a lot.

  159. the truth says:
    June 22nd, 2008 3:47 pm

    The truth dear fateh muhammad is that bacha khan was an ally of mullah extremist fakir of Ipi and bacha khan’s son ghani khan is on the record distributing arms amongst pushtuns.

    So much for nonviolence and secular/liberalism… Bacha khan’s secularism and nonviolence does not hold up to the test of facts.

  160. Fauzul Akbar, Dhaka, Bangladesh. says:
    July 18th, 2008 11:35 am

    Thanks to Shoab for fearlessly representing some Muslim issues that are perplexing us especially those concerning women, marriage, music etc. Other burning issues are property rights, divorce, child custody, women’s rights etc. It is time that we, ordinary Muslims, take those issues out of the hands of religious fanatics and let our voices be heard as in the Shoaib’s movie.

  161. Hindi Movies says:
    October 11th, 2008 11:26 pm

    I finally watched this – “Khuda Ke Liye”. This was an amazing movie. I loved it! It really touched me, and enjoyed it with my family.

  162. Saurabh Kapoor says:
    November 28th, 2008 8:12 pm

    What a movie!! it moved me several time! great effort by everyone involved. Congratulations mansoor. Nasir ud din rocked as he always does..

  163. May 22nd, 2009 7:38 pm

    What a great movie.
    Pakistan needs these kind of movies.

  164. Hira Mir says:
    November 26th, 2009 6:41 am

    unfortunately these hard working individuals get out of college and to not unite as a voice. We have to realize that we should unite as once especially the youth for the war againt extremism. All these boys are well educated. Not all the time we should think about getting jobs and making money. If for a second we think about the better future of Pakistan. this silent majority needs to raise voice as one and be heard globally so that the world knows that this the terror element from out country has been minimized and soon will be finished.

  165. November 26th, 2009 6:42 am

    some part of this I don’t like. Pakistan is much better then some times media shows just to make money. A movie should be made on the success of Pakistan army I bet that would be a big hit if made professionally by shoab mansoor. Praise the army great work guys!

  166. Hira Mir says:
    December 14th, 2009 6:57 am

    We need media to play a important role in the war on extremism and more products such as this so that the people are given space for open minded views and liberal elements which will then eventually fight extremism.

  167. Hira Mir says:
    December 14th, 2009 7:07 am

    The religion shows a moderate and very neutral view on life. It condemns extremism strictly. Killing of people prohibited. There is no term such as Islamic bombing. The Taliban call themselves blessed Muslim whereas they treat women and children in the worst manner ever. Media has shown videos of them beating women which are very disturbing.

  168. December 17th, 2009 7:20 am

    I clearly see the majorty loved this thus we should urge the media to promote these kinds of movie that can make a change and let the media make changes in out lives. Exit the terrorist elements and the extremism that leads to women abuse as we saw in the movie.

  169. M.A Qadir says:
    January 2nd, 2010 10:19 pm

    Prophet David (P.B.U.H) was good singer and he had a great voice. No arguments at all. “And also he was a great shot.” Greatest I must say as he killed Goliath with a single blow with his slingshot. I would implore Shoaib Mansoor to focus on this issue in his next film. We need this skill in our youngsters too. Look at an Indian lad winning a Gold in shooting in China. Shoaib, singing is not listed as a sport in Olympics, not yet atleast, whatever. Shoaib Mansoor did not even mention David and Golaith story, however, his whole plot was revolving around this fact that David was a good singer so all the “good Muslims” should first learn how to sing before doing anything else. I believe he is living in Utopia with Goldilocks, not a single bear at sight. Shoaib Muslims are in trouble please do something about it.

    Peace out (M.A Qadir)

  170. The Light says:
    March 11th, 2010 1:22 pm

    Nice try Mr Mansoor but i have to say regretably that it was a compy of an Indian film “Namaste London”. The only difference is that the indians have praised their India and compelled the girl(heroin) to adhore the hero being the typical indian. But alas Mr Mansoor, once again, shame on you, you disgraced Pakistan and Muslims by showing that we are extremists and do not know how to treat women.

    People praise the arguments given in the film about music..Once again i have to say ..MUSIC IS matter what! Daood aleh salam no doubt had lovely voice but he did not use it for singing but praising Allah and reciting the holy book. So the fact that Daood aleh salam had lovely voice dosn’t make music halal.

  171. jock says:
    March 11th, 2010 3:02 pm

    @The Light

    Most people I meet praise the fact that the film captures many complex issues alive in Pakistani Society…not because it acts as some grand guide to life, or sugar-coated look at ourselves….no film or book can do that (or should feel the need to). And also because it wasn’t some rehashed boy-meets-girl dance sequence, that’s what i liked about it any way.

    Stop trying to turn every issue into some pathetic online holy war. We have enough of those as it is!!!!

    Can’t stand the heat, don’t stay in the kitchen…..don’t like films or music, don’t listen to them and go feed your camels or something of the sort.

  172. The Light says:
    March 13th, 2010 2:24 pm


    Mr Jocker! Muslims do not need to change their teachings or believes for Jockers like you. Music is haram, that is what the teachings of Islam say and patheic people like you and shoib have absolutly no right to change this by portrying false images.

    Islam is the best and it does not need any change of any sort to be compatible with the modern society.

    Its morons like you who need to stop the western teachings blindly.

  173. Mr. Jocker says:
    March 13th, 2010 2:44 pm

    Mr. Lighter! (love your play on the name btw)

    The issue of music is debated within Islamic scholarship as any intellectually honest person is willing to admit. Some have disallowed and some have allowed it, provided it doesn’t cross certain boundaries. I hardly care what the film’s verdict on a complex matter on this is anyway, but it takes a rather formidable idiot to assert that Shoaib Mansoor is out to ‘change Islam’. The people who are indeed trying to portray a ‘false image’ are those brainwashed minions who have no qualms abt spilling their own fellow Muslim’s blood. I’d be more worried abt their manipulation of our image than anything Shoaib has to offer.

    Its morons like you who need to stop blindly parroting their respective favourite mullah’s sermons….:P

    not that i haven’t enjoyed this little exchange….:)

  174. The Light says:
    March 13th, 2010 3:40 pm

    @Mr Jocker! (sorry i assumed you Mr but i hope u are)

    Well, Islamic teaching is very clear on music and only “Duff/Daf” is allowed and i presume you would agree. You seem to care alot abt mispelling shoaib’s name but have little or no concern when people try to distort Islamic stance on issues just to please non-believers.

    When the whole world is branding us terrorists i would like our media to play their part and raise our voice and tell the world that we are normal peace loving people. How about making a film on the cruelty of Americans’ killing innocent people around the world? A nice try by Shahrukh khan and Karan Johar on explaining to the world the Islamic Identity in the film “My Name is Khan”.

    We just need to love our religion and be proud of it. Do you even know the meaning of the word “Taliban”? How can an innocent Afghani be a terorist who themsleves haven’t seen peace generations after generations?

    Well, i enjoyed my little bumping to you and our exchange of thoughts. Be assured that i am not an extremest but a simple plain follower of Islam (and i suppose we don’t have to be called Muslims if we do not believe in its teachings)

  175. Mr. Jocker says:
    March 13th, 2010 4:39 pm

    Hello Mr. Light

    Ok let’s just call it a truce and agree to disagree on the music thing. And I can assure you the only people people I try to please are my mother, father and a few other close family and friends…the rest are all honest opinions of mine.

    Incidentally, my name is Khan too and…yep you guessed it, I’m not a terrorist..:)

    The name-correctness afflicts anyone who’s been through the number of Language, Grammar classes as I have…;)

    I’ll agree that the name ‘Taliban’, as Hassan Nisar pointed out shouldn’t be applied to the people under discussion, since they neither seek knowledge, nor would they want to. And I’ll also agree the Afghans have been some of the most downtrodden (but still brave) people in history.

    There is an independent film (documentary rather) called American Muslims, that’s one among many trying to rectify -ve Muslim stereotypes. You might enjoy that.

    Cheers/ Salam

  176. April 29th, 2010 5:34 am

    No doubt that movie is marvelous and it has been choreographed beautifully but the arguments presented in this movie are not supported by sound evidences and it looks that the objective of movie is just to put a bad name to bearded Muslims and increase Mullah hatred. The movie is just an attempt to increase Secularism among Muslims.

  177. jock says:
    April 29th, 2010 9:41 pm

    do you really think so?

    I didn’t get that feeling at all (regarding the secularism bit). And the interesting thing about the bearded mullah is that both the Mullahs in the end had long, flowing beards and both were mullahs but they both took different paths….one drew Sarmad away from his family into a dangerous life and the other brought him right back

    The feeling I got was that mullahs are alright…:)

  178. October 28th, 2010 7:04 pm

    Many people have denied Ahadith about music citing that it is not in the Holy Quran. The truth is, Allah SWT has mentioned in many places in the the Holy Quran to listen to His Prophet.

    And obey Allah and the Messenger that you may obtain mercy. (3:132)

    Those are the limits set by Allah, and who obeys Allah and His Messenger, He (Allah) will make him enter Gardens (in Paradise) underneath which rivers flow, to abide therein. And that is the great success. (4:13)

    O you who believe! Obey Allah and obey the Messenger and those in authority from amongst you, then if you have a dispute concerning any matter, refer it to Allah and the (Prophetic) Messenger if you believe in Allah and the Last Day (of Jedgement). That is better and very good in the end. (4:59)

    And who obeys Allah and the Messenger, they will be with those to whom Allah has shown favour, of the Prophets and the Truthful and the Martyrs and the Righteous, and the best of Companions are they! (4:69)

    And the believing (Muslim) men and the believing (Muslim) women are protecting friends one of another; they enjoin what is right and forbid what is wrong, and they establish regular Prayer and they give the obligatory charity (Zakat), and they obey Allah and His Messenger. As for these, Allah will have mercy on them. Undoubtedly, Allah is Mighty, Wise. (9:71)

    And he who obeys Allah and His Messenger, and has reverential awe of Allah, and keeps his duty (to Him): then these it is that are the successful. (24:52)

    Say (O Beloved Prophet): “Obey Allah and obey the Messenger. But if you turn away, he is only responsible for the duty placed on him and you for that placed on you, and if you obey him, you will be rightly guided. And the responsibility of the (Prophetic) Messenger is only to convey (the Message) clearly. (24:54)

    And establish regular Prayer and give the obligatory charity (Zakat) and obey the Messenger, so that mercy may be shown to you (from Allah). (24:56)

    O you who believe! Have reverential awe of Allah and speak the right word. He (Allah) will set right your deeds for you and will forgive you your sins, and whosoever obeys Allah and His Messenger, he has indeed gained a mighty success. (33:70-71)

    The bedouins say: “We believe”. Say (to them, O beloved Prophet): “You do not (yet) believe, but rather say ‘We have submitted’, for the Faith has not yet entered your hearts. But if you obey Allah and His Messenger, He will not diminish anything of (the reward of) your deeds. Surely, Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

    And obey Allah and obey the Messenger; but if you turn away, then (know that) the duty of our Messenger is only to convey (the Message) clearly. (64:12)

    The (true) believers are only those who have believed in Allah and His Messenger and afterward, have never doubted but have struggled with their wealth and their persons in the Way of Allah. It is they who are the truthful. (49:14-15)

    Hadith 1

    Abd Allah Ibn Umar (Allah be pleased with him) reports that the Messenger of Allah said: Verily Allah has forbidden alcohol, gambling, drum and guitar, and every intoxicant is haram (Musnad Ahmad & Sunan Abu Dawud).

    Hadith 2

    Sayyiduna Abu Malik al-Ashari reports that he heard the Messenger of Allah say: There will appear people in my Ummah, who will hold adultery, silk, alcohol and musical instruments to be lawful (Sahih al-Bukhari)

    Hadith 3

    Abd Allah ibn Masud reports that the Messenger of Allah said: Song makes hypocrisy grow in the heart as water makes plants grow (Sunan al-Bayhaqi).

    Hadith 4

    Sayyiduna Ali ibn Talib reports that the blessed Messenger of Allah said: “When my Ummah begin doing fifteen things, they will be inflicted with tribulations, and (from those 15 things He said): “When female singers and musical instruments become common.” (Sunan Tirmidhi)

    Hadith 5

    Na’fi reports that once Abd Allah ibn Umar heard the sound of a Sheppard’s flute. He put his fingers in his ears, turned his mule away from the road and said: “O Nafi’! Can you hear? I (Nafi’) replied with the affirmative. He carried on walking (with his fingers in his ears) until I said: “the sound has ceased” He removed his fingers from his ears, came back on to the road and said: “I saw the Messenger of Allah doing the same when he heard the flute of the Sheppard.” (Abu Dawud,Ibn Majah)

    Hadith 6

    Abu Umama reports that the Messenger of Allah said: “Allah Mighty and Majestic sent me as a guidance and mercy to believers and commanded to destroy musical instruments, flutes, strings, crucifixes, and the affairs of the pre-Islamic period of ignorance.”(Musnad Ahmad, Abu Dawud)

    Hadith 7

    Sayyiduna Anas (Allah be pleased with him) reports that the Messenger of Allah said: “On the day of Resurrection, Allah will pour molten lead into the ears of whoever sits listening to a songstress.” (Ibn Asakir, Ibn al-Misri)

    From the Holy Quran

    And there are among men, those that purchase idle tales, to mislead from the path of Allah and throw ridicule. For such there will be a humiliating punishment. (Surah Luqman)

    The great Companion Sayyiduna Abd Allah ibn Mas’ud (R.A.) states in the explanation of the word “idle tales”: “By Allah its meaning is music.” (Sunan al-Bayhaqi, 1/223 authenticated by al-Hakim in his Mustadrak, 2/411)

    Hasan al-Basri said: “This verse was revealed in relation to singing and musical instruments.” (Tafsir ibn Kathir, 3/442)

    Those who witness no falsehood, and if they pass by futility, they pass by it with honourable avoidance.” (Surah Furqan)

    Imam Abu Bakr al-Jassas relates from Imam Abu Hanifah that the meaning of “falsehood (zur)” is music and song. (Ahkam al-Qur’an, 3/428)

    “Lead to destruction those whom you can among them with your voice.” (Surah al-Isra)

    One of the great exegete, Mujahid interpreted the word “voice (sawt)” by music, singing, dancing and idle things. (Ruh al-Ma’ani, 15/111)

    Imam Suyuti (Allah have mercy on him) quoted Mujahid as saying: “Voice (in this verse) is singing and flute.” (al-Iklil fi istinbat al-tanzil, 1444)

    Another exegete, Dahhak also interpreted the word “Sawt” with flutes. (Qurtubi, al-Jami` li Ahkam al-Qur’an, 10/288)

  179. Pakistan says:
    January 10th, 2011 1:05 pm

    Its a very nice movie and i really like the idea of putting the ideology of terrorists and Islamic phenomena .

  180. June 16th, 2011 6:40 am

    The Messenger of Allah (sal Allahu alaihi wa sallam) said: “No one of you should walk in just one sandal; let him wear both of them or take off both of them.” [Abu Dawud]

  181. September 5th, 2011 2:52 pm

    With everything that seems to be building inside this area, all your perspectives are relatively exciting. Nevertheless, I am sorry, because I can not subscribe to your entire theory, all be it radical none the less. It would seem to everybody that your opinions are actually not entirely rationalized and in fact you are yourself not even completely convinced of your argument. In any event I did appreciate reading through it.

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