Stop The Violence, Please!

Posted on April 9, 2008
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Adil Najam

Aitizaz Ahsan begging for peace and calm as violence breaks in Pakistan

This photograph of lawyer leader Aitzaz Ahsan on top of an ambulance putting his hand together and begging for peace and a stop to the needless violence by some who are ‘supposedly’ his supporters, speaks volumes. It speaks volumes about Aitizaz Ahsan; volumes about the culture of anger and violence that has gripped Pakistan, and volumes about the the state of Pakistan politics. A sense of anger and angst continues to define Pakistan.

Read also, Aitizaz Ahsan’s letter to his fellow lawyers, back in December.

Whether the violence is the result of nefarious ‘agency’ designs to discredit the lawyers movement or the disgruntlement of frustrations within the movement, it does not bode well for the country and for democracy in the country. It may serve the short-term interests of some, but it cannot be in the long-term interests of Pakistan.

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The pictures (above) of mayhem and violence on the streets of Pakistan are are equally articulate about the state of affairs in Pakistan.

89 Comments on “Stop The Violence, Please!”

  1. Afaq says:
    April 9th, 2008 7:16 pm

    Amazing picture… Aitizaz is a true humanist

  2. Ayaz Siddiqui says:
    April 9th, 2008 7:55 pm

    Get ready to tune into “meray aziz hum watnoy” speech.

  3. Sohail says:
    April 9th, 2008 7:56 pm

    This is really bad and I do not know where we are going and what we wanna achieve from this. People are killing their neighbours and friends and they all are followers of Islam.


  4. Bilal Ahmed says:
    April 9th, 2008 8:21 pm

    “Khuda ne aaj tak us qaum ki halat nahi badli
    Na ho jis ko khayal apni halat ke baladne ka”

    – God doesnt help those who don’t help themselves.

  5. syed ali raza says:
    April 9th, 2008 8:34 pm

    Pakistan is Yugoslavia of South Asia, multiple Ethno-Sectarian groups who are cobbled together not by their choice, & one Ethnicity dominant over others, every one knows what happened to Yugoslavia, i do not profess that same will happen to Pakistan but the way things r going, i am not sure!?!?!??!?!

  6. faraz Waseem says:
    April 9th, 2008 8:47 pm

    Karachi is flesh point because people are all ethinicity live and compete with each other here as well as every group is “fully loaded” with weapons.

    I think “protest” and “strike” of any kind should be bann in Karachi and Karachi should be control under “semi-marshlaw”.

    Bye the the way I am from Karachi and I am sick why Karachities are getting punished if some leader of Mianwali is beaten-up in Lahore. Because leaders of Karachi are mad. We see what happen in May 12 as well as on Dec 28. PPP,MQM,MQM(Haqiqi), Punjabi-Pakhtoon aliance and ANP are all armed ethinic forces ready to kill each other.

  7. Lal Salaam says:
    April 9th, 2008 9:27 pm

    Frankly speaking, there is nothing wrong with the people of Pakistan. They are as good or bad as any other people. There is an armed subset of people i.e. MQM in Karachi who are pawns in the game. They always play the victim card and get away with it. MQM is a very big part of the problem. I am not sure what the solution to bringing them into line is.

  8. temporal says:
    April 9th, 2008 9:40 pm

    the chasm between zardari and aitezaz gets bigger

    it is becoming a free-for all

    sharif, jamaat in aitezaz’s corner

    musharraf, mqm, q league in zardari’s

    strange bed fellows

    the baton boy is watching in the wings


  9. SJH says:
    April 9th, 2008 9:44 pm

    I know that this site tries to keep the level of discourse thoughtful and serious but idiotic and pompous rubbish like “Pakistan is Yugoslavia of South Asia …” cannot be allowed to go unchallenged. All are free to express their opinion but then others like me are also free to point out that the moronic views of Syed Ali Raza serve no useful purpose other than to make everyone else feel intellectually superior.

  10. RJ says:
    April 9th, 2008 9:58 pm

    I agree with Syed Ali Raza, and because he spoke the truth some people can’t digest it. I also have been saying this since long long time that Pakistan recently became very polarized and credit goes to Media and so called the champions of democracy including some of the most active intellectuals on this forum.


  11. Daktar says:
    April 9th, 2008 10:20 pm

    I agree with SJH. Pseudo-intellectualism is one thing but purposely divisive comments in times like this are really propaganda of the worst kind.

  12. AM says:
    April 9th, 2008 10:21 pm

    “One ethnicity ruling over the others” – and so continues the “blame anyone but ourselves” charade in Pakistan, and the Muslim world in general.

    Its the Amreeki, the Yahoodi, the Hindu, the Punjabi, the intelligence agencies….

    People need to have the courage for introspection and recognize and admit our own faults.

  13. Pakistani says:
    April 9th, 2008 10:31 pm

    Shameful how people like Syed Ali Raza and RJ who have been defending the military here so long are finally showing their true colors by being happy at this violence and calling for the breakup of Pakistan. Their anti-Pakistan agenda is now clear and their hatred for ordinary Pakistanis and their loss of life is clear. Shameful.

  14. Daktar says:
    April 9th, 2008 10:36 pm

    Why is Aitizaz Ahsan the only person trying to stop the violence? My respect for him has gone up again even more.

    And our President is again missing in action. Just like he was silent the last time when Karachi burned, he is again silent today. Unfortunately so are the politicians.

  15. sidhas2000 says:
    April 9th, 2008 10:38 pm

    I agree with Syed Ali Raza’s message. Pakistan is in dire straits. We better open our eyes and accept the fact that we as a nation have failed to live up to dreams for which this nation was created. People aspired to have bright future not a violent one.

    We as nation must hold ourselves to higher standards. For that to happen you have to call a spade, a spade.

  16. SJH says:
    April 9th, 2008 11:14 pm

    All of us, in one or the other, feel the pain and unfortunate reality of the situation. Thinking of a better tomorrow can coexist with recognition of an ugly today. My point is that there is a way to engage in productive discourse, that builds character and institutions, that does not tear everything down. If all we do is focus on what divides us for the sake of winning a rhetorical point – and I see this is life as well as in blogs – we get nowhere. Thats all.

  17. Zach says:
    April 9th, 2008 11:38 pm

    I’m sure the speech writer in Army House is dusting off his saved template of “Mere Aziz Hum Watnon” and trying to be as creative as he can to fill in the blanks, since bettors start placing their bets on 60 or 90 days scenarios. It is very interesting for me to see how gullible and naive Pakistanis are to fall into a cheesy Indian Masala movie plot drummed up by Musharaf, MQM and their minions. Mush is still at it and let me tell you his goal is not to destablize the government and bring in his QML minions back but he wants to do away with whole dispensation called Pakistan. He is convinced that the salvation lies in the Balkanization of this country along ethnic lines and re-create the map of South Asia by dividing Pakistan in smaller states which will be easily managed and exploited by powers that matter. His son and son’s father-in-law is investing heavily in that venture along with some powerful hedge funds managers. Drums have start beating and Empire will strike back soon, very soon.

  18. Daktar says:
    April 10th, 2008 12:00 am

    This is from THE NEWS:

    Eleven people were killed, at least six of them feared to be lawyers, and several others injured when violence broke out in various parts of the city following a clash between two groups of lawyers outside the City Courts on Wednesday afternoon.

    The most horrifying incident took place at Tahir Plaza, where six charred bodies including those of two women were recovered. The police said that the six bodies were of lawyers. The rioters also torched around 50 vehicles in different parts of the metropolis.

    The clash between the lawyers at the City Court left eight members of the MQM Legal Aid Committee injured, who were taken to the Civil Hospital. They were identified as Javed Hashmi, Aurangzeb, Shagufta Ijaz and others. Soon after, violence gripped the city, with masked armed men roaming around firing in the air and torching vehicles.

    There was unprecedented violence in the vicinity of the City Courts, where unidentified miscreants locked the main gate of the Tahir Plaza, situated opposite the courts. There are more than 200 offices of lawyers in the building. The miscreants opened indiscriminate fire at the building and later set it ablaze.

    The police personnel from the Risala Police Station, who were present at the scene, said they called the fire station repeatedly but the firemen refused to come. They police said that even after a police mobile was sent to ensure them security, the firemen still did not arrive.

    Having no ladder or help from the fire brigade, the policemen climbed the building adjacent to the Tahir Plaza, broke its wall to make way to the burning building and vacated the trapped lawyers and other people inside. The Risala police further said that the fire tenders reached the spot two hours after they were called and started efforts to extinguish the fire. After the flames were doused, the rescue staff entered the building and found six completely charred bodies, including two bodies of women, lying in the burnt building. The bodies were of lawyers whose offices were situated inside the building according to the police. One of the bodies was identified as that of Makhdoom Altaf Abbasi, advocate.

    Several Chippa workers including Mahmoodul Hasan, Aftab, Asif and Mursaleen received burns injuries while carrying out the rescue work at the building. The fire was extinguished after hectic efforts.

    Meanwhile, Muhammad Ali, a driver of Ziauddin Hospital, Clifton Branch was shot dead in a wagon in the Burnes Road area. He was sitting inside the wagon KM-9634, when unidentified masked armed men stormed the wagon and shot him dead when he resisted.

    The driver of route G-3 mini-bus was killed on the MA Jinnah Road. Eyewitnesses said the deceased, Qadir Jan, was driving the vehicle when armed men tried to torch it. When Qadir resisted, they shot him dead.

    Late Wednesday night, Jauhar Shah, the driver of Dost Coach, was shot dead in Khudadad Colony of Brigade police station and a tanker driver Laeeq was shot dead in front of a hotel situated in Metroville. In the same incident, two brothers, Tariq and Shabbir, were injured. Another person killed was a driver of Bilal Coach identified as Arbab at Babar Kanta, Sharafi Goth Police Limits.

    Twenty people were injured in various localities. They included a man Wakeel and his wife Shahnaz, who were going on a motorcycle in K-Area of Korangi Industrial Area when unidentified armed men shot at them and critically injured them. A minor Kamil, 8, who was standing in the gallery of his house at Burnes Road, was injured by the aerial firing of the miscreants. He was shifted to the hospital.

    Meanwhile, masked men entered Ranchore Lines and started firing, injuring Rakhshanda Khatoon and her five-year-old son Raheel. They were shifted to hospital where Raskhshanda was in critical condition.

    Others who received bullet injuries on the MA Jinnah Road were Ismail, Police Constable Khalid Mahmood of Preedy police, Saeed Akhtar, Muqeem Alam and Zaheer. Police and Rangers restored traffic on the M A Jinnah Road and I I Chundrigar Road and were continuously patrolling the violence affected areas.

    A number of buses, coaches, trucks and cars were torched in various parts of the city. A mechanised shovel was burnt at Nagan Chowrangi, while another shovel was torched near Cafe Piyala in Gulberg police area. A police mobile of Nazimabad police station-197 was also burnt.

    The unidentified miscreants, who were riding on motorcycles, arrived at the premises of Malir District Bar Association. The police said they were 20 to 25 in number and resorted to firing at the office of the bar association. They torched the office and its library and also torched a number of vehicles and three motorcycles parked in the premises.

    In Landhi, unidentified miscreants torched six mini-buses, one taxi and one truck. In the Korangi Industrial Area, four mini-buses, two trucks and one bus was torched. In Surjani Town, two mini-buses were burnt while one bus was set ablaze in Shadman Town. A truck loaded with cotton thread worth millions of rupees was burnt to ashes in Sector-16? of North Karachi.

    Two mini-buses of route G-19 and W-11 were torched in New Karachi No 3 and No 5. Fire tenders were also attacked when they reached there to extinguish the fire. In another incident at the S M Law College, the miscreants torched three parked vehicles, while a car was torched near the PIDC.

    There were more incidents of burning of vehicles on the M A Jinnah Road, where a rickshaw was torched near Gul Plaza, a bus was torched at Jubilee Market, two mini-buses were torched at Jamia Cloth Market, while eight vehicles were torched outside the City Courts. Two cars were burnt at Saeed Manzil, a minibus was torched in People

  19. faraz Waseem says:
    April 10th, 2008 12:05 am

    It is a game and MQM is acting as pawn of Mush and USA and lawyer movement is acting as pawn of Nawaz and Saudia arabia. Where Zardari belong? That will decide winner.

    Let me ask you a question. How lawyers can afford so many buycott. Dont they have client to serve in order to run their family or there is a “deep pocket” helping them.

  20. MQ says:
    April 10th, 2008 1:55 am

    Had May 12 been properly investigated and the culprits brought to justice April 9 would not have happened.

  21. jalal says:
    April 10th, 2008 3:35 am

    I think we have come a long way to democracy and we need to uphold it no matter what happens – this everyone needs to understand. Even Mr Ahsan needs to change his tone. On one hand he says that country is plunging into violence and on the other he threatens to march on the Army House.

    All political parties must address the issue without the blame game – lest things turn into an uncontrollable scenario

  22. Nimi says:
    April 10th, 2008 3:42 am

    This couldn’t be clearer. Pakistani recent history has shown that when MQM is treated with concessions i.e. their crimes forgiven, it is even more encouraged to continue their terror designs.

    It happened with Jaam Sadiq government in 1991-92.

    Unfortunately, they are ready to support whatever are a military dictator’s evil wishes only because he is a so called “apnaa hai”.

    This armed organisation has to be brought to justice and subdued to the will of the majority of pakistanis.

    What is happening in Karachi now is shameful and potentially fatal for Pakistan.

  23. April 10th, 2008 4:11 am

    The scenario presented by Zach is perhaps inspired by an article by Prof. Michel Chossudovsky under heading ‘The Destabilization of Pakistan’ doing rounds for quite sometime. Also, the political leadership looks cognizant too of the ‘dooms day’ scenario predicted therein and seem trying to counter it, if the reconciliatory moves among past rivals after Feb 18 is any manifestation. But, these efforts are not yielding positive results and the opposite forces, it looks, are gaining momentum to realize, what? God Forbid.

    My request to all Pakistanis is to please realize the grave situatioin we are in and sincerely work to thawrt such ugly designs of the enemies of Pakistan.

    God bless our country.

  24. Reza Kamran says:
    April 10th, 2008 4:50 am

    Aitzaz Ahsan is a true law abiding citizen. He standing up on van speaks volumes. Volumes and Volumes. Volumes about his humility. Volumes of how he cares for people of Karachi. Volumes about his care for state of Pakistan. Volumes about his desrire for peaceful resolution of all issues. Volumes about his ability to control a crowd. A lot has been written by violence in Karachi. Volumes and Volumes. But, here we are at it again… Inshallah, when will this insanity stop. Even after volumes and volumes have been written, is all this violence happening so that more and more volumes and volumes can be and will be written in future so that our future generations can continue to talk volumes and volumes about these disgraceful incidents which will go down in history.

  25. Usman Akram says:
    April 10th, 2008 5:45 am

    We should accept that Karachi is a strong hold of MQM and no government can force their policies or agendas on Karachi without MQM’s support and if one of their people is beaten up there will be retaliation.
    Aitzaz is a good person so is the X Chief justice but the politicians are responsible for the whole crisis. they have fueled and injected hatred in lawyer. PMLQ is much better then PMLN & PPP, atleast they dnt spread hate for others and voice their support for opposition.
    Leaders of PMLN & PPP are nothing but selfish barking dogs!

  26. ARBAB says:
    April 10th, 2008 9:41 am

    This is clearly “agency” action to destabilize the lawyers movement.

    But as your picture shows, Aitizaz Ahsan is rising above the pettiness of the military government and their MQM goons by calling for peace and calm.

  27. QUDOOS says:
    April 10th, 2008 9:50 am

    This violence has gone out of hand. We need to do something about it and we need to stop supporting the type of thugs (MQM) who are behind this. Someone said it right, if we had tackled the May massacre in Karachi by MQM rightly, this would not have happened. It was Musharraf and his agencies and their MQM friends targetting lawyers last time and it is again Musharraf, his ISI and MQM goons doing the killing now.

    The difference between Musharraf and Aitzaz Ahsan is that Musharraf is igniting teh cviolence and making it happen, and Aitzaz is begging people to stop the violence.

    By the way, intersting how Karachi is burning and MUsharraf leaves on another expensive junket abroad!

  28. April 10th, 2008 10:02 am

    A truly deplorable incident and i am sure such things can only be expected from terrorist organization MQM. MQM should be immediately banned and included in global terrorist organization. We all know about their activities and the way they collect ransom from the people of Karachi, who constantly live under the fear of this terrorist organization.
    I also wonder from where Mr. Altaf Hussain gets his funds to finance his luxurious life in Karachi? Can he or anyone else from MQM inform us with the facts that how much he spend annually and how he earned it, keeping in mind the background from which he belongs. I strongly call on all the organizations and parties to exclude MQM from the coalition, as rightly mentioned by PML-N and labeled as terrorist organization, a rightful place for such a group.

  29. aquarian says:
    April 10th, 2008 10:05 am

    Dear Qudoos
    One can believe whatever fantasy one wants to believe in. I believe, lawyers are not as ‘masoom’ and ‘mazloom’ as you are depicting them to be. ‘is hamaam mein sab’ same ‘hain’. No one is ‘holier’ than other. Lawyers come from the same society with same defects and qualities as others. And lawyers showed it in Sher Afgan episode they are definitely not above others when it comes to moral grounds. blaming it on ‘agencies and blah blah’ is like hiding your head in sand.

    Many people on this forum are totally unaware of dynamics of Karachi. Looks like they’ve never been to the city in their lives.

    Yes, May 9 should be investigated but don’t stop at this SELECTIVE justice on a time scale. You only want to investigate what suits you. You should also investigate how many innocents suffered in Karachi after Benzair related riots on Dec 27. You should ask for investigation from Jan 1965 when Gohar Ayub leading a procession of Ayub Khan’s victory started massacring people of Karachi, PPP’s first govt brought ‘ethnic bill’ in 1973 and more killings, second govt brought longest curfews on Karachi and further killings. Zia’s govt saw massacres of Orangi and later in Hyderabad. Nawaz Sharif brought Army operation and extra-judicial killings. so when every single ruler has brought so much killing and misery to people of Karachi, whom do you expect them to support now ?

  30. aquarian says:
    April 10th, 2008 10:13 am

    Despite my earlier comment, I want to say that among all the framgentation of our society and constant bickering, someone here should have guts to spread message of peace and love too.

    Among all this turmoil, let me be one to the say ‘jeeway jeeway Pakistan’ and not just ‘jeeway jeeway lawyers’ or jeeway jeeway anyother subset that will divide the society even more. I do support ‘jeeway jeeway lawyers’ and siilarly I support all other jeeways jeeways as long as they treat eachother with respect, equality and work for the betterment of common goal called Pakistan. We all love Pakistan and we have message of peace and love for all. Our ‘khameer’ is from the same ‘matti’. People from all over Pakistan are equal and brothers. We will all make the country stronger together. Once again: ‘jeeway jeeway Pakistan’

  31. Rafay Kashmiri says:
    April 10th, 2008 10:17 am


    your rhetoric is very negative for Karachi, you know well
    that Karachi’s Ethnic Political Party has to answer thousands
    of its own thnic members murdered by ?, Shall I start giving their names ?
    No. 1 Poet Rais Amrohevi
    No.2 Hakeem Said
    N0.3 Takbeer’s editor Salahuddin
    No.4 20.000 thousands murdered, telephonic orders to
    kill and eliminate, all recorded !!

    No. 5 Mr & Mrs Guljee and their domestic
    and so on …………. pls stop your Baja !!

  32. Rafay Kashmiri says:
    April 10th, 2008 10:18 am

    @ calm down Gentelmen,
    try to suggest good
    solutions, local Assemblies must
    must play their role. Dumb Speaker should intervene.

  33. aquarian says:
    April 10th, 2008 10:29 am

    All i am saying is that everyone comes from same society with similar defects and qualities. When you start blaming one city of the country or people who share one language ONLY for all ‘naa-karda’ and ‘karda’ gunaah then you are dividing Pakistan further and not helping to unite.

    This is the time to talk of unity and not division or finger pointing without proofs.

  34. faraz Waseem says:
    April 10th, 2008 10:48 am

    Well I am from Karachi and I know dynamics of city as I am grown up there. MQM support is based on “reactionary” thinking in the same way many muslims supports “radical Islam”.

    From 1965-1999 there is a series of unjustices with ppl of Karachi by STATE and main stream political parties specially PPP. Now MQM philosphy is like “jini out of bottle”. One has to analyze the underlying propblems to defeat this Jinni. Brutal use of force as STATE has done in 1992-1997 will make memories only worse.

    The biggest underlying problem is that ppl of sind are ethinically divided in two groups. As one group is living there for centuries their right over land is accepted more by rest of Pakistan. These groups should be brought closer.

    Infact Karachi is the only city where ppl of all ethinic groups lives in such large number. It has more pashtuns then Peshawar, more Baluch then Baluchistan and more sindhis then Larkana. So Karachi shows what is wrong with Pakistan. I think Karachi can be given special status as “mini-pakistan” with special government.

  35. faraz Waseem says:
    April 10th, 2008 10:50 am

    Now why MQM is violent. I remember late 80′s when PSF and APMSO used to exchange gun-fire. Jamat Islami was also fully loaded at that time. so MQM has been eveolved in end of zia era which has seen plenty of weapons.

    PPP,ANP and Jamat Islami may be nice in other parts of Pakistan, but in Karachi they are also fully loaded(weapons) may be one step less then MQM.

  36. aquarian says:
    April 10th, 2008 10:57 am

    Faraz Waseem
    I mostly agree with your analysis except one of your earlier comments where you suggested some kind of mini martial law for Karachi. no. I think democracy is the only way forward. many problems arise when you treat one part of country at lower standards than others. We saw this in 1992-99 period in Karachi when the city was treated differently than other parts of the country. There was less personal freedom, less freedom of movement and less human rights.

    I agree with your analysis that use of force will only make matters worse. The root cause of violence should be addressed by the political leadership. A leadership which is mature enough, whom the city people can trust that they won’t be bitten again like they were done in all PPPs, martial laws and PMLs governments. Right now they don’t see a SINGLE leader who can safeguard rights of people of Karachi b/c all current leaders are basically representing their own ethnic groups only including Imran Khan. This may be the reason that same party keeps getting elected again and again from Karachi b/c there is no sincere alternative.

  37. aquarian says:
    April 10th, 2008 11:10 am

    When you stay ‘stop your baja’, then how am I supposed to react to this comment? Am I supposed to take this as humor?

    I am being respectful to you and to all other readers and want to have a dialog. Let me also start the thread by saying that I have my opinion but I may be wrong b/c I don’t know everything in this world. If I am proven wrong by civilized dialog then I will accept that I was wrong.

    Everyone can diasgree with eachother but use respectful language to send your point across.

    I love this blog because diaologs here mostly stay respectful.

  38. Pakistani says:
    April 10th, 2008 11:23 am

    This is not an ethnic issue so let’s not make it one.

    I am from Karachi and Urdu speaker. I do not see the MQM representing me or my community. Not in this violence. Nor does violence by some members of a community mean that this community is violent. Last many months we have see horror violence from all communities all over the country for different reasons. Let’s focus on stopping violence and supporting those calling for calm.

    Today I identify most with Aitzaz Ahsan and his call for peace no matter what his ethnicity.

  39. aquarian says:
    April 10th, 2008 11:27 am



  40. Rafay Kashmiri says:
    April 10th, 2008 11:36 am


    yes, we must not bring in or exploit ethnicity, linguistic
    or racial, and also not pointing at a city or province etc.
    I used two identical expressions in my comment ” rhetoric and Baja “,
    one at the begining the other at the very end, of course,
    very significant was the matter in between, I always like to end up with little humour or a qata’a . Pls. don’t mind !!

    We have to be very very careful with all prof.Politicians.
    jiay Pakistan, sada jiay.

    @Faraz Waseem,

    Jamaat Islami’s record since 1940 is been open to every
    one, they never ever tilted towards arming themselves,
    you say about 80s
    ” Jamat Islami was also fully loaded at that time ” ,
    you must be joking, some MQM’s munafiqs
    claim that they were with Jamaat, but the truth is that
    they are lying and cheating, this is a usual MQM’s tactic, one does not have to be a member of Jamaat to get him/her
    selves being armed.
    The only political entity in Pakistan which does not believe in armed struggle within a muslim society is Jamaat- Islami ,
    and is today even, the most civilized, tolerant, non-violent,
    educated people working within the Party, please learn,
    that you don’t have to be a member of Jamaat–e-Islami
    in order to appriciate her.

  41. Rizwan says:
    April 10th, 2008 11:44 am

    Protests can be done by standing on rood sides by doing hunger strikes etc. Today these Lawyers used for the hate of Musharraf are out of hands because they started it on wrong feet.
    Calm the country. Most important thing as a Pakistani is that every Pakistani plays the role of Intelligence of Pakistan.By reporting unusual activities in their neighborhood to the authorties.

  42. Zach says:
    April 10th, 2008 11:46 am

    No, I haven’t read Prof. Michel Chossudovsky and don’t know what he has to say, but I follow the money (as my Crimson gurus say) and the smart money is on the Balkanization along ethnic lines. There are just too many players and too much complexities to deal with and people restraining and opposing “Pakistan Na Kaphay” are loosing favor rather quickly to people who want to install their “own PM in 2013″.

  43. Atelier says:
    April 10th, 2008 12:23 pm

    O well. What goes around comes around.

    Aitzaz and Co started the fire and now cannot control it.

  44. Owais Mughal says:
    April 10th, 2008 12:27 pm

    It was great gesture on part of Aitzaz Ahsan to show up and try to rescue Sher Afgan even though they were probably not the best friends. Any effort done to stop violence of any sort has to be commended. Whether I agree with Aitzaz or not on politics, his stature as a decent human being has increased in my eyes.

  45. faraz Waseem says:
    April 10th, 2008 12:31 pm

    Rafay, just because I belong to Karachi does not mean I am MQM supporter. I never voted for MQM or any political party.

    Answer me. Have you attented any university in Karachi? Have you lived in Karachi. If not, then you dont know how political parties including MQM and Jamat show their martial strength.

    We all need to come out of this “Us and Them” mind set in order to save Pakistan.

  46. Rizwan says:
    April 10th, 2008 12:36 pm

    @ Atelier
    Well said.

  47. Rizwan says:
    April 10th, 2008 12:51 pm

    By Musharraf staying there something we will see this time. People of Pakistan will know how new comers are end up doing the same things Musharraf did. This will show the truth to the people of Pakistan that problem is with the foundation of Pakistan. Country can not stand still on weak foundation and that is exactly our Great and wise President Musharraf understands very well. I pray to Allah he gives his life but do not leave in the hands of evil politicians who are destroying Pakistan for their personal grudges.

  48. Ayaz Siddiqui says:
    April 10th, 2008 1:18 pm

    A few oberservations

    Whatever is happening now can just be viewed as power positioning. The Sindh cabinet seats are being distributed and MQM is just showing his hands that although it is in minority but control the things in the biggest urban centres in the country. If you regard this as terrorism and want to ban the party then should we also nuke the FATA area for sending all those suicide bombers and creating dangers for Pakistan by not honoring the law of the land.

    The huge hue and cry over MQM is just another chapter we have in our long history of hate. Before not too long ago Mujib was the traitor, Wali Khan was the traitor, GM. Syed was one of them and who can forget the great Akbar Bugti and most of NS was the hijacker lol.

    I am not a MQM supporter but i think the civil society should open their eyes too. yesterday Justice Tariq Mehmood identified the member of the Supreme court bar association who was one of those who was having Sher Afgan hostage with an egg in his hand. Should the lawyers start cleaning thier house first by throwing that person out fo the bar association. Pls dont take his clothes as u have done with poor Naim Bokhari.

    the only person whom i respect most is Aitzaz Ahsan. Kudos to him and also to Tariq Mehmod for being he voice of reason here.

  49. Rafay Kashmiri says:
    April 10th, 2008 1:24 pm

    @Faraz Waseem,

    I have no right to doubt your sincerity, for me its
    very difficult to judge the situations in Pak-Politics, but
    I believe in diversity of opinions and appriciating such
    and such party, but its been long that I have lost confidence
    in Pak popular political parties, total deception.

    Being a Karachiite, born there, educated, left in 74 after
    my B.Com, we never saw arms in colleges or KU, I was
    elected speaker of College union, went several times KU
    for meetings with Ustads icons of KU etc. but never saw
    one pistol, there were some hooliganism always, but not
    I admit, I can not judge the evolution took place
    for the last three decades in Karachi’s Politics.
    I totally agree with you on eliminating ” Us & them ” mentality.

  50. faraz Waseem says:
    April 10th, 2008 2:43 pm


    You left Karachi in golden time. I left Karachi in 2000 and have seen all blood shed between 1984-1999.
    I have seen when armed ANP and armed MQM were killing people of opoosite ethinic group in 1986. I have seen when PPP and MQM abducted hundreds of each other student and core cammander of Sind negotiated deal between them.

    I have seen when thousand of MQM workers were killed by police in locker rooms.

    Since late era of zia with afghan refugees and weapon culture, politics of Karachi has been changed to violence and Jamat Islami is no exception. They may have killed less ppl then MQM but they are lethal even with broken “coca-cola bottles and dont hold higher ethical ground.

  51. Dewana Phir Say says:
    April 10th, 2008 3:04 pm


  52. April 10th, 2008 3:14 pm

    Adil Bhai,

    Your post hits the nail on the head. We seem forever in crisis mainly of our own design.

    Pakistan is still bleeding, the fire is still burning and needs to be extinguished, my post written at the death of Mohtarma is still as valid and I will share it here to provide another viewpoint to aid the discussion, do have a read:



  53. April 10th, 2008 4:06 pm

    I am not pointing fingers at any party especially MQM but I really don’t understand their reaction to all this, it seems they r not much interested in solving it and moving forward as whenever someone brings up the point of inquiring 12th May along with 9th April, their rhetoric is to go all the way back to their bad old days.

    if nothing happens in Karachi without MQM, then they have a stake in this and timing is perfect just before the musical chairs session….

    PPP should not lose this by messing around with the vote mandate….

  54. April 10th, 2008 4:08 pm

    I was just watching a program by Dr. Javed Ghamidi on education in Pakistan and he very well said that pahlay Insaan banao, phir musalman banao….

    muslaman to pehlay hi naam kay rahgaye thay, ab insaaniyat bhi khatam hoti jaarahi hai……..
    burning cars is not enough, we protest by burning people alive….

    kaun insaaf day, sabhi aik say aik hain….

  55. Rafay Kashmiri says:
    April 10th, 2008 4:54 pm

    @ commentators,

    I am seriously thinking of writing a nazm on

    ” Jamaatikholia or Jamaatophobia ”

    will be at your disposal very soon !!

    keh dushmanon ko, ho ja’aiy khabar !!!!

  56. zia m says:
    April 10th, 2008 5:25 pm

    Whoever is involved in this wave of violence did not like PPP and MQM forming a joint government in Sindh.If MQM has some smart people they will soon realize this and do what is best for them and the country otherwise Shuj of Gujrat and Mush will be very happy.

  57. Lal Salaam says:
    April 10th, 2008 6:52 pm

    Please notice how MQM has now owned the five people who were burned alive. Acc to one of the Farooq Sattar, all five were MQM supporters/workers. These guys make me sick! And to think I was warming up to them pre-May 12th! What was I thinking!

  58. Ibrahim says:
    April 10th, 2008 7:45 pm


    Few people are sincere. Where was Aatizaz Ahsan during the ’90s when his party itself was involved in extrajudicial killings. Khair, it’s possible that he has changed, but we never heard an apology or maybe I missed it.

    I was just watching a program by Dr. Javed Ghamidi on education in Pakistan and he very well said that pahlay Insaan banao, phir musalman banao

  59. Arjumand says:
    April 11th, 2008 1:12 am

    All of this does not make any sense. Why now? Why is this happening now and who will benefit? There is something very odd about what is happening and it is clear that someone is making this happen for their own good. I am glad that Aitizaz Ahsan continues to call for peace. And where is Gen. Musharraf in all of this, on a pleasure trip out of the country!!!!

  60. QASIM says:
    April 11th, 2008 1:47 am

    Yes, things are bad but it is people like Aitizaz Ahsan and their humanity and good will in these times in calling for peace despite everything that gives one hope. Ultimately the people will triump against these agencies and the Generals who are trying to make Pakistani fight against Pakistani.

  61. Yasir Aziz says:
    April 11th, 2008 7:21 am

    This is really a very disappointing position. And I am sick of MQM. They just creating Havoc to be included in the Govt.

    What I have noticed during my education at Punjab University and then onwar a look on politics, MQM and Islami Jamiat Tulaba always play their politics on the dead bodies of either their workers or innocent people. I don’t want to get into details as I have also been part of Jamiat for sometimes but this is reality.

    Now burning people alive is the biggest of the cruality. May Allah show them the right path who have done this act of Burtality.

    But I am really sick of MQM. Now they have realized that they have to come into govt by coming down under PPP, so they have started creating Havoc and Voilence in Karachi.

    May Allah show them the right path and they stop doing and practing their politics on the dead bodies of people. Ameen.

  62. Daktar says:
    April 11th, 2008 1:56 pm

    The violence that has gripped Pakistan from one corner to the other for all sorts of reasons is very disturbing. Everyone, from religious fanatics to liberal revolutionaries to nationalists seem to think that the only way to get their demands is to hurt, kill or put on fire. We really need to move to a different place where people can think that their voice will be heard even if they do not indulge in violence.

  63. aquarian says:
    April 11th, 2008 3:04 pm

    @ Yasir Aziz

    “aap ki baaten sahih hain” BUT is there any alternate leadership that people of Urban Sindh can trust ??? Many people know the current leadership of Urban Sindh is everything that you suggested in your comment but when it comes to elections, please tell me a single name across Pakistan that people of Urban Sindh can trust to safeguard their rights.

    Pick up any name out of current leaders of Pakistan and they’ve all bitten (or have kept quiet at seeing injustice being done to) Urban sindh.

    Unless and until a sincere, alternate leadership does not come into play in Urban Sindh, same people will keep getting elected.

  64. faraz Waseem says:
    April 11th, 2008 4:05 pm

    aquarian well you said
    “Unless and until a sincere, alternate leadership does not come into play in Urban Sindh, same people will keep getting elected.”

    Well as long as Mr Altaf is live it can not happen. He will kill any urdu speaking leader which is seen as alternative to him. We all know who kill Azim Tariq. He is a curse to MQM as well to Karachi and urdu speaking people.

  65. aquarian says:
    April 11th, 2008 4:23 pm

    Faraz. I agree to your recent comment. Then what do you think, how can an alternate sincere leadership be brought up?

  66. faraz Waseem says:
    April 11th, 2008 4:52 pm

    Well, it is catch-22 for ppl of Karachi. It is similar question when ppl in USA ask me when muslim world will be liberal and democratic. I think with time things will change.

    What I do believe that change will come in our life time for better. Also Atlaf is growing old :)

  67. Daktar says:
    April 11th, 2008 5:58 pm

    This op-ed in The News is an interesting read.

    “Conspiracies against democracy?”

    Friday, April 11, 2008
    Shafqat Mahmood

    If the assaults on Arbab Ghulam Rahim and Dr Sher Afgan were condemnable because they militated against one’s inherent sense of decency, the violence and killings in Karachi have added a sinister dimension to the situation. These were not incidental happenings. Groups of armed men deliberately targeted buildings housing law chambers and offices of bar associations. Cars were also burnt in different parts of the city to create fear and a sense of insecurity. It was an organised attempt to intimidate in which human life was not considered of any consequence.

    The timing of the Karachi killings has given a new colour to earlier happenings concerning Arbab Rahim and Sher Afgan. While sad and inexcusable, they had at first appeared spontaneous. Now many questions are being raised. Why did Arbab Rahim insist on visiting the Sindh Assembly after he had been treated shabbily a day earlier? Was it done to provoke an incident in the full glare of the media? He could have easily sat out for a week and taken oath after things had settled down. But, no, it seems he wanted an unpleasant incident and walked deliberately into it.

    What followed later also seemed like a well-orchestrated plan. The MQM immediately boycotted the Sindh Assembly session and Q League leaders descended on Karachi. Press conferences followed with rapidity from all and sundry with the purpose to make the PPP government look bad. But this was not enough for those who were plotting against the revival of democracy. The lawyer’s movement for the restoration of the judiciary also had to be made to look wicked and evil. And it was here that the Sher Afgan incident became handy.

    It is difficult to say whether the good doctor deliberately walked into the lion’s den which for him, given the current state of tension, must be places where lawyers congregate. At the very least, he could not have expected a favourable response from the law community given his open support to the dictatorial actions of the-then Gen Musharraf. But let us say that it was not a conspiracy and he had genuine legal business and had to go to a law chamber. Yet, what happened later creates huge misgivings.

    He was locked up inside for nearly five hours and, thanks to live coverage, the event was visible to everyone in the government. Yet no attempt was made by the police to rescue him. By all accounts, there were not more than two hundred people at the scene. Was it so difficult to disperse them and take Sher Afgan out? Anyone with even a little experience of law-enforcement will tell you that it could easily be done. Yet, Aitzaz Ahsan had to go there and try to use his moral authority to calm the situation.

    Aitzaz only realised later that he had been put in an untenable situation. If the gathering was entirely of lawyers, he could have handled them, despite some black sheep, because they have immense respect for him. It is clear now that some other elements, possibly sent deliberately by interested parties, were determined to make an incident. Thus, a small situation in law-and-order terms became potentially big. Police was unwilling to use force, and without force, the agent provocateurs were not ready to leave. They did their business on live television. The lawyer’s movement was tarred with a black brush.

    The Karachi situation is also being orchestrated essentially in the context of the judiciary’s restoration. The MQM and the PPP may have differences over issues of power sharing and distribution of ministries, but the real situation is different. The PPP is being told that if it goes ahead with the restoration of the judiciary, as demanded by its coalition partner, the PML-N, there is going to be serious trouble in Sindh. The MQM is the only party aligned to Musharraf that has muscle, and it is showing it. The message to the PPP is that it can have either a smooth time in Sindh or a coalition with PML-N. The issue hanging in balance is restoration of the judiciary, which Musharraf sees as his ultimate defeat.

    There is little doubt that these conspiracies

  68. Pakistani says:
    April 11th, 2008 7:17 pm

    Shafqst Mahmood’s analysis is brilliant and rt on mark. We must nor let this derail democracy which I’d what Gen Mush and ISI and their political gondas really want.

  69. Abu Ali says:
    April 12th, 2008 2:23 pm
  70. Amn-Pasand says:
    April 12th, 2008 3:26 pm

    In any society there re those who thrive on violence. Whose power increases when there is violence and who benefit from violence. Marial Laws, for example, always thrive on violence because it gives them legitimacy and their propagandists can start saying that they can only stop the violence. But the fact is that they cannot. Here is the history and the evidence.

    - Pakistan was less violence before Ayub Khan and more violent by the time he left. (He gave us the conditions that led to the dismemberment of the country by alientaing the Bengalis so much that violence started.

    - Pakistan remained violent but became even more violent in the Zia ul Haq time. (He gave us Klashnikov Culture and his own twisted interpretation of violent Islam by encouraging people to become violent in the name of religion).

    - This violence continued again after him, but in the Musharraf years Pakistan become even more violent than before. (He gave us the culture of suicide bombings of organized massacres of political foes and of blowing innocents away).

    In any society the violence mongers will find political allies who will do the dirty work of killing for them.

    The difference between societies who come out of violence and those who remain there is that some societies celebrate the voices of peace and justice and others don’t. Pakistan remains violent not just because we let the forces of violence (the Military, the Jamaat and later the MQM) rule us by fear, but also because we do not respect people like Aitizaz Ahsan who do call out for peace.

    Pakistan will change when we start respecting those who call for peace rather than fearing those who call for violence.

  71. Bilal Ahmed says:
    April 13th, 2008 12:11 am

    You said:
    It may serve the short-term interests of some, but it cannot be in the long-term interests of Pakistan.

    I disagree, violence can’t be in anyone’s interest in both short and long term. A destabilized Pakistan makes everyone a loser.

  72. April 13th, 2008 12:34 pm


    assuming ur allegations r 100% true, does that mean everything he says is wrong?
    i liked certain things he says, and i wud continue to quote him even though i dont feel convinced with most of his other points. same goes for everyone ;)

  73. Qurban says:
    April 13th, 2008 1:39 pm

    My admiration for Aitizaz Ahsan has gone sky high. A real peace loving person.

  74. UMER says:
    April 13th, 2008 2:01 pm


    KARACHI: Muttahida Qaumi Movement (MQM) Rabta Committee said that MQM will now sit on the opposition benches, seeing the non-serious attitude from Pakistan People

  75. Naeem says:
    April 13th, 2008 2:06 pm

    yes I think a “battle for Karachi” has begun. The real loser will be people of Karachi. The only winner will be Musharraf.

  76. faraz Waseem says:
    April 13th, 2008 8:33 pm

    PPP is once again trying to crush MQM. Well I have lived 8 years in Larkana and I know PPP is an ethinic party in sind with an ethinic agenda.

    God save people of Karachi.

  77. Yasir Aziz says:
    April 14th, 2008 3:46 am

    Let us all hope for the best.

    May Allah brings best out of these circumstances and everything goes well.

    My own opinion is that Suddle’s appointment could create disturbance in the city and as NAEEM said losers will be people of Karachi.

    May Allah keep us all safe and in his protection.

  78. Ahmad says:
    April 14th, 2008 8:25 am

    Shame on aitzaz…
    somebody ask him why he asked media to shut down cameras!!!
    Biased post…

  79. Ahmad says:
    April 14th, 2008 8:28 am

    and this is another drama by aitzaz..and look at the post..u r presenting him as a hero..pathetic.

  80. Tariq says:
    April 14th, 2008 8:29 am

    Aitzaz is a sharp politician..this may be a trick to get aside from lawyers movment as his political career is at stake…

  81. April 14th, 2008 10:12 am

    A lot of politics is going on these days and lot more will come in future. I think people of Pakistan have played their part and now we all should sit back, get along with our daily routine and let the new political government do their job, as we have been doing in the last 60 years!!

  82. auk says:
    April 15th, 2008 11:49 am

    The two most destabilizing forces in Pakistan today are MQM (the rats), and their patron in chief, Mush. From the signals coming out from the land of the pure, it seems that PPP and PML(N) know this, and are on track to clip their wings. If this coalition can bring back security to Karachi and rid its streets of the rats, that would be one big achievement, and is a prerequisite to bringing back Pakistan towards the path of food and energy security. Developments of the past 2 days point to this. Shoaib Suddle is in, and the rats are going back in their holes. There is news that MQM Haqiqi’s leaders will be released, and Rahman Malik has said this in unequivocal terms that “the Security on the streets of Karachi will be maintained at all costs”. Next on the agenda is clipping the wings of Mush, either by passing legislation making his post mostly ceremonial, or by an outright impeachment. Mush is kicking and screaming and is no mood to let go as shown by his attempts to create rifts in the ranks of the ruling coalition. It needs to be seen if this coalition can sustain these onslaughts, and is able to get rid of him before he makes a fatal move. All fingers crossed.

  83. faraz Waseem says:
    April 15th, 2008 12:08 pm

    auk comments represents “us and them” mindset and this facism no different then facism shown on May 12.

    We should never consider our opponent or enemy “less then humans”. Slogans like “rats” shows a facist mindset.

    I think PPP also knows that in long term they need MQM as in next election Mr NS will get landslide victory in Punjab by playing “punjabi card”. Thats the reason Zardari is trying to get MQM onboard.

    On other hand they dont want to get balck mail by MQM and thats why Zardari has appointed Shoib Suddle as police chief.

  84. PAK DOST says:
    April 16th, 2008 8:12 am

    There is too much violence all around us. We need more voices for peace.

  85. April 18th, 2008 2:02 am

    All the people in Pakistan condem voilence either state organised ,any party organised or just to show frustration.
    We should always think of humanity,because no religion anywhere in world justifies brutalities.
    All the best wishes of all the poeple in Pakistan particularly

  86. JAVED IQBAL says:
    April 19th, 2008 2:32 am

    well everyone here is condeming the lawyer act.But on that day only lawyers were not there people from civil society were also there. we always condemens but never trying to sort out the solution and never asked about root causes. Its the anger of people and response of a common man to the policies adopted by Mr.Musharaf and its helpers Q league. In the last past eight years is there any relief they given to the common people?

    Javed iqbal

  87. Danish says:
    April 19th, 2008 3:45 am

    All i want to say here is that; no doubt what happened was terrible, but a notable mention with regard to it is Aitzaz Ahsan. It is discovered now that the majority over there were NOT lawyers and those who were lawyers were not the ones who harrassed Sher Afgan. Aitzaz himself discovered that, when he reached there and asked the lawyer community to raise their hands which turned out to be a mere 40%.

    Now Aitzaz Ahsan is the Supreme Court Bar President, but i do think that doesnt mean he’s responsible for every single lawyer’s act in this country. He’s not the guardian of lawyers nor has he adopted fresh graduates of law. That went for the 40% of people who were there. For the rest 60%, without a shadow of a doubt, he is responsible for them in no way. With that said, he heroicly went there and saved Sher Afgan putting somwhat his life on the line (It was a choas of animalistic people, even someone as respected as him could be turmoiled).

    Aitzaz Ahsan should be applauded with all hearts for that.

    And which he is by many, but unfortunately, a few immature figures in the scene who like always have been talking trash, did so again in this case, blaming him. Nothing could be more childish and sick given the heroic act he did in this case. But the fact is, what can one expect from an anti-charismatic figure like Pervez Ilahi.

    People like him say ‘Aitzaz Ahsan hee ney inn waqeelo itnaa charayaa, ab bhugtoo, ab tum hee zimaadar ho.’ Well what more ridiculously stupid could be said. This is like saying that some man spirited people of the society when evil was prevailing and gave them the courage to stand against it standing united. Now later on in life, if a member of that civil society commits a murder, you will blame that man “Tumney inn logo kaa zameer jagayaa tha jab inpey zulm horaa tha, ab jo bhee ye karey gey aagey jakey uskey zimaadaar tum ho”

  88. Watan Aziz says:
    May 10th, 2010 11:32 pm

    It may serve the short-term interests of some, but it cannot be in the long-term interests of Pakistan.

    And violence does not even serve short term interests.

    It is wrong.

    It is admitting of a failure to reason. And if you cannot reason, it is a failure itself.

  89. Watan Aziz says:
    November 7th, 2010 10:13 am

    It is admitting of a failure to reason. And if you cannot reason, it is a failure itself.

    As I said, here, here, here and here (google it), failure to reason leads to violence.

    And the failure to reason happens when those in power, the “gitter-mitter” of Pakistan, do not allow avenues of free expression.

    Free expression of ballot box, free expression of jury box, free expression of soap box.

    It would be better that Pakistanis show up in these “policy meetings” and let these “policy planner” know, their policies should make sense for the people. Their policies should improve the lot of people. Their polices should be in service of the people.

    The people of Pakistan,

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