Growing violence in Pakistani politics – Arbab Ghulam Rahim and Sher Afgan Niazi beaten up

Posted on April 8, 2008
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Last two days have been dramatic in Pakistani politics. Since February Elections, we have been hearing good news, atleast on political fronts. It seemed that Pakistan is finally moving towards national reconciliation and this time politicians are really coming together and serious about solving public problems. But things have suddenly changed since yesterday. In separate and unfortunate incidents, two senior members of Musharraf regime, who also happened to be his most vocal supporters, have been severely beaten up and humiliated in public. Yesterday, it was the former Chief Minister of Sindh, Arbab Ghulam Rahim beaten up in assembly by angry protesters and today it was Dr. Sher Afgan Niazi’s turn who was the minister of Parliamentary Affairs. Arbab Ghulam Rahim was slapped and beaten up by angry protesters. He was slapped and hit with shoes while he was coming to take oath in newly elected Sindh assembly. Apparently, one of the culprits, who hit him with his shoes turned out to be his staff member who served him for four years when he was CM. A large number of lawyers laid a siege around the office of Dr. Afgan’s lawyer, with eggs, tomatoes and their shoes in their hands, when he came to visit him. He was then severely beaten up with shoes and slapped when police finally tried to rescue him out of his lawyer’s office.

No matter much you dislike both gentlemen, this kind of violence in politics is not acceptable. Mr. Sher Afgan has already been punished by his people of his constituency who rejected him in elections because of his ugly role in Judicial Crises and his abusive statements against Lawyers movement. This show of violence coming from Lawyers community, who are supposed to protect and defend human rights is shocking. Aitezaz Ahsen, who tried his best save him from serious beating, and other lawyers leaders are calling it a planned scheme by non-democratic forces to damage their cause and to put hurdles in restoration of deposed judges.

According to Geo TV:

Former federal minister, Dr. Sher Afgan Niazi has been rescued safely by President Supreme Court Bar Association (SCBA) Aitezaz Ahsan.

Enraged lawyers tore up Dr. Afgan’s clothes and attacked him by throwing stones and shoes.

They also shaterred the windows of the ambulance in which Dr. Afgan was being taken away from the site of the incident.

Earlier, a large number of lawyers laid a siege around the office of Dr. Afgan’s lawyer when he came to visit him.

The police present at the scene failed to create a safe passage for Dr. Afgan and he remained confined in the office for about three hours.

Later, President SCBA Aitezaz Ahsan arrived here to control the situation and disperse the lawyers.

Although he asked the enraged lawyers and others to leave the place, they continued to wait for Dr. Afgan to come out.

Later, Dr. Afgan came out of the building and escorted by Aitezaz Ahsan. Struggling through the crowd they made their way to an Edhi ambulance with the help of police.

As soon as Dr. Afgan got inside the ambulance, Aitezaz Ahsan mounted the rooftop of the vehicle which was then driven slowly away from the crowd.

Later, Aitezaz Ahsan resigned from the post of SCBA President.

DAWN filed this story on Dr. Arbab Ghulam Rahim’s incident:

Despite strong police protection provided to him by the caretaker administration, the former chief minister of Sindh, Dr Arbab Ghulam Rahim, was on Monday physically attacked by some enraged political activists as he left the Assembly after taking the oath as a newly-elected MPA.

The incident was vociferously condemned although it was not unprecedented: in the past, MPA Yunus Khan suffered worse.

The violent episode occurred despite the fact that security was beefed up after Saturday, when Dr Rahim was unable to take the oath because of political activists’ attempts to manhandle him. Subsequently, the Assembly authorities cancelled all passes except those issued to the press.

Slogan-chanting political activists also harassed television reporters and anchorpersons who, despite displaying cards issued by the Assembly authorities, were obstructed from performing their duties.

The MQM played an important role in Dr Rahim’s oath-taking, due to which the session started late. The first attempted assault occurred as the former chief minister sat on the opposition benches next to the Speaker’s gallery, waiting to be administered the oath by the outgoing Speaker, Syed Muzaffar Hussain Shah. An unidentified man, who was later overpowered by some PPP workers and security personnel in plainclothes, hurled a shoe at Dr Rahim as the naat was being recited.

Meanwhile, political activists shouted slogans against the former chief minister and used rude and abusive language, despite warnings issued by the Speaker.

Police and other security official escorted Dr Rahim to the Assembly hall via its back door. He took the oath amid all the chaos and then left the House.

Although a strong security cover had been provided by the caretaker Home adviser and the Assembly authorities to the former chief minister upon his arrival, it appeared to have melted away by the time he left the House after taking the oath. As a result, a handful of PPP MNAs had to intervene in the corridor outside the Members’ Gallery to protect Dr Rahim from the wrath of charged workers who allegedly belonged to the PPP.

As he attempted to leave the Assembly, Dr Rahim was struck by a shoe hurled by a political activist. Meanwhile, some women who were displaying similar intentions were pushed back by MPAs and plainclothes security personnel. Even as Dr Rahim was being driven away, his car was chased by charged activists who then vented their anger by targeting the waiting police vehicles.

It remains unclear how such disruptive element managed to obtain passes to gain entry into the Sindh Assembly premises.

PPP distances itself

The Muttahida Qaumi Movement staged a walkout from the Sindh Assembly in protest over the incident, while the Speaker tendered an apology to Dr Rahim. The newly-elected Speaker, Nisar Khuhro, also termed the incident ‘uncalled for’ and urged everyone present to respect the sanctity of the Assembly and allow the provincial legislature to perform its duty.

Deploring the attack, Dr Rahim claimed that it was part of a well-planned conspiracy to harm his person. ‘Such acts are contrary to the spirit of democracy and [the maxim of] live and let live,’ he maintained. ‘The ones who indulged in violence such as this are unwilling to tolerate the voice of dissent in the House and in the province.’
Meanwhile, the PPP distanced itself from the incident, which it termed a plot against the party by involving certain PPP (SB) workers.

Condemning the episode in a press statement issued from the Bilawal House media cell, the PPP clarified that the outgoing government still controlled the police and administration and was implementing the orders of the former rulers through the Provincial Police Officer and the Capital City Police Officer.

Calling for the immediate suspension of the PPP Sindh and the CCPO Karachi, the statement said: ‘Even today, the administrative machinery and police were given full authority to control entry into the Sindh Assembly; under special strategy some PPP(SB) workers were smuggled into the Assembly premises to commit the incident.’
A PPP legislator, Manzoor Wassan, told the BBC that the man who hurled his shoe at the former chief minister in the house had been in the service of Dr Rahim for more than four years.

60 Comments on “Growing violence in Pakistani politics – Arbab Ghulam Rahim and Sher Afgan Niazi beaten up”

  1. Khurram says:
    April 8th, 2008 8:19 pm

    I blame Musharraf. A democratically elected government would never have allowed this to happen.

    Oh, wait….

  2. ShahidnUSA says:
    April 8th, 2008 8:51 pm

    How come all the “junglis” got together in pakistan. I dont understand the psychology of these people. Everyday there is a new “tamasha” I get to witness on geo news. Is there any way to distract these people in doing something constructive where they can get their anger and frustration out that is not banned by mullahs.
    Ok go ahead and stone me now.

  3. Junaid says:
    April 8th, 2008 8:54 pm

    Darwaish, very sad and very true. These incidents are of the very “extra-judicial” nature which sadly lawyers and the civil community have been fighting against for so long. While we will miss Mr Aiteziz Ahsan as SCBA president, what he did by stepping down is exactly the measure, and the right precedent set. The lawyers behind Mr Sher Afgan’s manhandling do not deserve a leader of Mr Ahsan’s stature.

  4. Bilal Ahmed says:
    April 8th, 2008 8:55 pm

    I am not surprised to see this news but please don’t judge the rest of Pakistan by these MPA’s and MNA’s. We have an anarchy going on for decades.

  5. Idealist says:
    April 8th, 2008 9:23 pm

    Pity the Nation


    Pity the nation that is full of beliefs and empty of religion.

    Pity the nation that wears a cloth it does not weave, eats a bread it does not harvest, and drinks a wine that flows not from its own wine-press.

    Pity the nation that acclaims the bully as hero, and that deems the glittering conqueror bountiful.

    Pity the nation that despises a passion in its dream, yet submits in its awakening.

    Pity the nation that raises not its voice save when it walks in a funeral, boasts not except among its ruins, and will rebel not save when its neck is laid between the sword and the block.

    Pity the nation whose stateman is a fox, whose philosopher is a juggler, and whose art is the art of patching and mimicking.

    Pity the nation that welcomes its new ruler with trumpetings, and farewells him with hootings, only to welcome another with trumpetings again.

    Pity the nation whose sages are dumb with years and whose strong men are yet in the cradle.

    Pity the nation divided into fragments, each fragment deeming itself a nation.

    – Khalil Gibran

    from The Garden of the Prophet

  6. Ayaz Siddiqui says:
    April 8th, 2008 9:26 pm

    Listening to all the analysis on channels, and all the statements by our politicians especially Asif Zardari on BBC and Kh. Asif on Capital talk, the stage is being set to discredit the lawyer movement and eating the fruits of labors of the civil society. If this is the start, what will be the end.

  7. sidhas2000 says:
    April 8th, 2008 9:43 pm

    Regrettably, we will not change.

  8. Rizwan says:
    April 8th, 2008 10:01 pm

    yeah blame it on Musharraf you all do not see anything becaquse hate towards honest Musharraf has blinded you all. Today all politicians talking in unity thanks to Musharraf , the minute Musharraf leaves see how these politicians will apart from each others.
    These lawyers are camera crazy as Atzaz Hasan proved today by asking camera’s to be turned off so people can leave. Atzaz Hasan has taken some good money from Nawaz Sharif and today was direct result of taking things to far in the name of CJ.

  9. meengla says:
    April 8th, 2008 10:03 pm

    Let there be no knee-jerk reaction. Even if the characters like Arbab Rahim and Sher A. Afghani been part of an ‘Establishment’ they did not, of course, deserve the ill-treatment.
    We need to see–and with the free media we REALLY CAN SEE–who did these things and why.
    My feeling–or, rather, a calculated common sense–is that neither of the parties in in the ruling coalition would allow/want/wish it. It WAS the way of Musharraf and his D-grade politicians to beat up people but to the new forces in Islamabad it would be suicidal.
    And so, my feeling is that it was the act of of some very low-tier political workers or else of our dying industry of intelligence agencies. Both are equally possible.

  10. Riaz Haq says:
    April 8th, 2008 10:31 pm

    The shameful behavior of the lawyers makes a mockery of their claim that their movement is aimed at restoring “democracy” and “rule of law”. It also raises questions about the readiness of Pakistani civil society to govern itself in a democratic manner. The conspiracy theories and the claims of “invisible hand” will not satisfy those of us looking for the facts. Unless there is full, impartial and apolitical investigation of this incident, this incident will be seen as part of a pattern of violence that has characterized the entire lawyers movement supported by politicians now in charge after the elections.

  11. MB says:
    April 8th, 2008 10:41 pm

    While i strongly condemn any such acts by Lawyers as well as those against ARBAB, i strongly believe an ISI or call it whatever you like hand in this by hiring some black sheeps (or lawyers etc.) to get things violent and turn matters around.

    Why would lawyers do any such things at their own to get their task more difficult. I think the starting was done by those black sheeps and then some angry mob jumped in.

    The bottom line is the establishment is still at play

  12. TEE BEE says:
    April 8th, 2008 11:05 pm

    You can watch the video here:


  13. Eidee Man says:
    April 8th, 2008 11:19 pm

    This is bad. Those who stood by the sidelines during the real struggle are now making cheap attempts at gaining favor by resorting to violence.

  14. Zach says:
    April 8th, 2008 11:24 pm

    The recent roughing up of two minions of Pakistani establishment served two purposes: discredit Lawyers Movement and PML-N in and push PPP on defensive and more accepting of MQM in Sindh. It is a marvelous move on Musharaf’s part and he is proving to be a better politician than Zardari and Sharif and entire PDA. Asif appears to be drinking too much wine and goes on and on with his apology binging, notwithstanding the benefits of wine, he needs to have few vodka shots to toughen up his stance and show who is the new sherrif in town. This episode will come to pass after initial brouha but Asif and Nawaz need to act quick and decisively on Judges issue and most importantly constitutional package to rid Musharaf of his powers. The second thing that you need to do when you takeover is start rolling the heads of old guard which hasn’t start even after PM familiarizes himself with all the areas of PM House where spooks may not be able to pick his conversations. The sooner you get rid of old bureaucracy and get the constitutional powers back, the better off you will be in dealing with parasites like Arbab, Niazi and MQM. The formula is a glass of wine with lunch and dinner but two shots of Vodka or Scotch before dinner!

  15. Daktar says:
    April 8th, 2008 11:24 pm

    There is clearly something fishy here. Maybe the timing here is of importance and this is a precursor to trying to bury the judiciary issue. I hope the real culprits will be found.

    Much more like an attempt to highjack the lawyer’s movement. Note, for example, that Aitizaz Ahsan’s role has been to keep trying to control the violence even at personal risk. I admire him now even more than before.

  16. Saad says:
    April 8th, 2008 11:30 pm

    Read the newspapers of today, Arbab Rahim got a shoe on his face from his old servant. How’s this the lawyer’s fault? :s

  17. Zach says:
    April 8th, 2008 11:38 pm

    Aitzaz is a brilliant lawyer, a decent person with a great sense of right and wrong and I have admired him immensely on his arguments in Supreme Court on behalf of too many politicians and Chief Justice, but he is not that good a politician. Throughout last year and to this day, he doesn’t seem to decide which camp he is in and where he is going with his demands. He appears to be too much beholden to the restoration of judiciary that he can’t seem to acknowldege the pickle PDA is in and he seems to ignore the grey areas of this whole saga which makes this issue very complex. He shouldn’t be trying to sabotage the government of his own party when PDA has reselved to solve it within 30 days and have some faith in Sharif and Zardari. Not fulfilling that promise is tantamount to political suicide for both of them and would bring the entire coalition apart.

  18. Mahmood says:
    April 9th, 2008 12:41 am

    I am amused by some of the opnions showing acute shock on the events of last couple of days, even saying how come lawyers can do that. Believe it or not “Is hammam mein sab nangay hein”. Its just the matter of who is getting the chance of exploiting the power. Just wait 6 months or maximum an year when we all be chanting “Go Gillani Go”. Sad but true.

    The problem is not the military or democracy or free judiciary. The problem is the overall character of the nation. I think we are in need of a prophetic personality who can bring change in our character as a nation. Good infrastructre, booming business and human rights are by-products of an alive nation.

  19. Eidee Man says:
    April 9th, 2008 1:19 am

    This was a good move by Aitzaz. He has fought hard on the side of the deposed judges and there would have been a conflict-of-interest issue when they were restored…so it’s good that he avoided that.

    The violent “lawyers” remind me of our present-day mullahs….they were no where to be found when Jinnah et al were fighting for Pakistan, but these days they are the most rowdy protesters.. ..

  20. Just cause I am here says:
    April 9th, 2008 1:54 am

    Much as it very sadly reflects bad manners on the part of our people it is a fact that the sentiments expressed on the two occassions ( Dr’s Arbab Rahim & Sherafgan Niazi) are truly representative of the desires and wishes of the ordinary people of Pakistan.

    What is more interesting is the fact that now that an illegal act of assault has been comitted, would the agrieved parties like to file a case with the law enforcement agencies and the higher courts (of their own choosing and setting) against the government of the day. Also I wonder how these courts would respond to such petitions against the hakim-e-waqt of today in the new envoirment.

    This is the problem when you do not have an independant judiciary and independant institutions. Under the present system no individual can file a case against the sitting government and expect justice.

  21. jalal says:
    April 9th, 2008 5:02 am

    Whatever is happening these days is sad – and condemnable. It is also strange that cases of millions are rotting in the courts and the so called torch bearers of judiciary in black coats who are notorious for prolonging the cases for years or even decades for a few pennies more – while they are on the streets lamenting for the restoration of judiciary – instead of easing the sufferings of those whose plight is increasing day by day due to their absence form the courts.

  22. Mumtaz Zulfi says:
    April 9th, 2008 5:07 am

    This is not good for Lawyer’s cause. I agree with author that no matter how strongly you dislike Musharraf and his ‘chamchas’, this kind of attitude should never be encouraged. Nobody should have the license to take law into their own hands. People who are protesting this treatment should also remember that these are among those responsible for state beating of lawyers on streets of Lahore, Pindi, Islamabad and Karachi. Anyone remember how lawyers were beaten up like animals and how these ministers and Arbab Rahim in particular, used to call them lucha lafangas. Well take that!

    On the other hand, this could well be another dirty trick by Mush and his remaining loyalists. I mean just why would a political government would want to get into such mess when they haven’t even taken oath yet?

    On a lighter side though, personally, I would like to see Mr. Durr Fitte (Durrani), Sheeda Talli (Sh. Rashid) and Jaaju (Ijaz ul Haq) getting the same treatment. Eggs and tomatoes are acceptable even in highly democratic countries like US, UK and Europe. Boy that will make me feel better after what they have done to Pakistan in 8 years.

  23. Usman Akram says:
    April 9th, 2008 6:55 am

    Again, why are we supporting the lawyers movement?
    1. They are Educated people and help solve our cases honestly.
    2. They have tolerance and believe in democracy.
    3. They trust in Law & order and do not support violence.
    4. The judges were unlawfully removed by the establishment but the lawyers do not do anything unlawful ever.
    5. They never take bribe, help the poor and get criminals convicted which maintains high level of law & order in country.

    It is time we realise that these lawyers are nothing but thugs and politicians like PML-N are using them for their own political agenda.

  24. April 9th, 2008 7:50 am

    Both incidents are highly condemnable, no second opinion about it.

    Analysis of all kinds doing rounds, some say it is a natural public reaction against people so obnoxiously vocal in defending the outgoing govt., some suggest it was an act engineered by vested interests. (Mr. Wassan disclosure in Dr Arbab’a case carries weight if correct) What was the exact cause? and who was behind it? nobody will ever come to know of.

    People at the helm should learn lessons out of this whole episode. They should not act like ‘there will be no tomorrow’. While, such acts are not acceptable, provocation of any sort leading to such incidents is also deplorable.

    Nonetheless, the congenial atmosphere among the past rivals created after February 18, must not be allowed to get muddied as our survival as a nation depends on it. Furthermore, though we have not yet tasted genuine democracy, we must not allow vested interests take advantage of the situation, like always, saying ‘democracy cannot work in this country’.

  25. Independent Mind says:
    April 9th, 2008 8:39 am

    All type of violence being carried out in organized and sequential manner is condemnable. What my mind bogged down is who are beneficial after all such incidents and especially recent violence in Karachi. Lawyers… certainly not.. Ruling coalation… certainly not… then who are they who are cashing all these events…

    Its clear that all these events have been planned and being executed by those elements who want to use these elements for their benefit..

    May God bless this country.

  26. April 9th, 2008 10:00 am

    If parties don’t have any control over their workers …. could they stop them from corruption? Between, what about the dialogs between MQM and PPP? No results? violence in Karachi?

    Either Zardari or Sharif, no one learned any lesson from past.

  27. AM says:
    April 9th, 2008 10:04 am

    Too many people are trying to pigeonhole this into “did the ruling coalition do this” or “did Musharraf loyalists do this”.

    The fact of the matter is that the leadership on either side does not want this sort of thuggery happening. WE need to face up to the reality that civil discourse is a misnomer in Pakistan – whether its a disagreement over a perception of being overcharged at a store, or politics, Pakistanis give in tho their basest instincts.

    We are reared to imbibe machismo – honor and respect shall be preserved by one even if it means taking the law into ones hands, and physical assaults to redress such perceived grievances are part of our culture.

    I’ll always remember an incident that took place when I was an adolescent – my father had returned from Pakistan on a business trip and was narrating the story of how all the equipment in his office in Pakistan was missing. The caretaker was missing, but my father tracked him down and gave him the thrashing of his life, at the end of which he confessed and apologized for stealing and selling the stuff.

    I remember my father proudly puffing out his chest while talking of this “thrashing”, while our guest silently listened.

    At the end, he merely said, and what did the thrashing accomplish?

    I’ll never forget the look on my fathers face at that moment. Needless to say, while I respect him and love him dearly still, that is one attribute of his that I have always striven to keep out of my life.

  28. AM says:
    April 9th, 2008 10:08 am

    The two sides, especially the ruling coalition, need to stop blaming “conspiracies” and the leadership of each party, and step up and accept responsibility for their workers actions, denounce them and take whatever action they can (expulsion from the party, the bar etc.).

    The lawyers are not saints, Aitzaz Ahsan is dropping in my estimation every day he keeps talking about “conspiracies”. If it was merely a conspiracy he wouldn’t have bothered resigning. That he did, even if token, means he knew it was the layers who were responsible.

    Accept your faults, rectify them and move on – that is the only way to break from the past.

  29. MQ says:
    April 9th, 2008 10:33 am

    A day before the prime minister takes oath justice Ramday’s house in Islamabad is broken in and the household effects are dumped out on the street leading to the lawyers’ protests the for next two days.

    A day before the Sindh chief minister takes oath Arbab Rahim is beaten up in Sindh Assembly leading to MQM’s boycott of the Assembly and the consequent uproar inside and outside the house.

    A day before the Punjab Assembly takes oath Sher Afgan Niazi is beaten up in Lahore giving rise to a widespread turmoil in the country.

    One hopes it is all a coincidence and things would settle down soon.

  30. Rizwan says:
    April 9th, 2008 10:56 am

    I blame Nawaz sharif and his brother Shahbaz Sharif. I think they started these dirty tricks long back . They have been so consistent against Musharraf. They have mission and they went too far.I am 99% sure NS and SS are behind this , Even PPP better be careful from these brothers.

  31. AM says:
    April 9th, 2008 11:19 am


    It is all coincidence. The Sindh Assembly incident especially, because you had an excited and pumped up “new guard”, in the Sindh assembly, riled up against the symbol of the “old guard”.

    If both events had occurred in the manner of Sher Afgan, I might have been suspicious.

    Musharraf supporter or not, we are all cut from the same cloth, and the stains show up every where…

    Hiding behind conspiracy theories, rather than accepting our faults, makes us no better than those we criticize fro high handedness.

  32. Pervaiz Munir Alvi says:
    April 9th, 2008 11:25 am

    Lawyers taking law in their own hand and acting as vigilantes. No wonder lawyers do not enjoy popular support and respect.

  33. Usman Akram says:
    April 9th, 2008 11:55 am

    There were news reporters, civilians and other lawyers present but non intervened to stop what happened last night. What a shame. Third incident in a row.

    The democracy has returned with all the morons who looted the country in 90s.

    Even the PM is self confessed bad boy.

    History will repeat and army will have to save us sooner or later.

  34. Eidee Man says:
    April 9th, 2008 12:14 pm

    Those who are blaming the lawyers and the newly elected governments for the violence are utterly mistaken. Why would the lawyers, who had carried on a PEACEFUL struggle for an entire year during conditions when they were actually being physically abused (anyone still remember the CJ’s hair being ripped off?), NOW resort to violence? Does that make any sense to you? The argument would have *some* weight had they done it when they were down….but I am surprised that some of you harbor the absurd logic that the elected parties would jeopardize their newly-gained power by messing things up….a little logic would help.

  35. faraz Waseem says:
    April 9th, 2008 12:30 pm

    Yesterday incident was done PML(N) workers and PML(N) lawyers.

    What happened in Karachi today in shame to MQM. Why they want to escalate “Sher Afgan” issue? No one died in Miawali where he belong but 7 people lost their life in Karachi. What a shame. What MQM and Karachi will get out of this.

    “God dont have to destroy you if they made you made”

    I belong to Karachi and really afriad what future lies for Karachi.

  36. AM says:
    April 9th, 2008 1:34 pm

    Since we are on “conspiracies” what of the possibility that this was done by those who disliked the rapprochement between the PPP and MQM?

  37. Rizwan says:
    April 9th, 2008 2:07 pm

    Nawaz Sharif and Shahbaz Sharif behind the mess in Pakistan?

  38. Pervaiz Munir Alvi says:
    April 9th, 2008 2:15 pm

    Mr. Eidee Man Sir. I just had a lengthy conversation with my lawyer friends in Pakistan. The jist of the conversation was that Mr. Sher Afgan Khan had this sort of treatment coming to him! It is the same argument that was made when the “peaceful” lawyers, the officers of the court, manhandled and roughed up unfortunate Mr. Naeem Bukhari. If such is the mentality of the ‘men of law’ what could be expected from the common goons.

  39. Faraz says:
    April 9th, 2008 2:40 pm

    I think you guys are totally blowing this out of proportion. People are coming up with conspiracy theories to explain the incidients. May be the Jews planned it to derail Pakistan’s progress?

    This is Pakistan. You get beaten up for looking at someone. It’s not a big deal. Are too many expatriates on this blog?

  40. Rafay Kashmiri says:
    April 9th, 2008 3:05 pm

    @ The only way to have minimum peaceful
    political environment in Pakistan is to ask
    judicial liquidation of PPP & MQM,
    whether they are in or out of the country are
    very dangerous for any level of democracy !!!
    they are not at all different than Talibans !

  41. Rizwan says:
    April 9th, 2008 5:24 pm

    What we see today of MQM and Asif Ali Zardari. They both sound reasonable today but in past both have been blamed for crimes.
    May be new comers are following their steps for future, thinking if they made money and became so strong that today they do not need money but they can talk sense and make people think as these people never did anything wrong. So now new comers want to follow their steps?

  42. Afaq says:
    April 9th, 2008 5:34 pm

    Rizwan, when you say you are 99% sure that NS and SS are behind this, could you please share with us and the police in Pakistan the evidence you have to say this.

    Afterall, no decent person would make such a claim without actual evidence since that would be buhtan and illegal lying. Could you please share the documentary or video evidence you have of this?

  43. Riaz Haq says:
    April 9th, 2008 6:27 pm

    While there was no expectation from the politicians to be truthful and take responsibility for lawyers violence, it was a pleasant surprise to see Mr. Aitazaz Ahsan show a sense of responsibility by resigning. However, barely 24 hours after the resignation, Mr. Ahsan has started to backtrack and use “conspiracy theories” and “invisible hands” and place the blame on his favorite target: President Musharraf.
    Knowing the popularity and power of Sharif Brothers, is it possible that this could have happened without a tacit approval by PML(N)? Have either of the brothers come out to unequivocally condemn the actions of the lawless layers? Not to my knowledge. Instead, they seems to be making excuses for what happened.

    It seems none of the lawyers from Lahore seen on various TV channels have unequivocally and strongly condemned the attack on Dr. Niazi. Advocate Latif Khosa’s interview this morning on ARY TV is a representative example of the lack of candor in accepting responsibility. Instead, they have essentially chosen to soften any real criticism by offering various incomprehensible explanations for what was clearly visible on TV screens as an unprovoked and dastardly physical attack by lawyers on an elderly man. It is a very sad period indeed for those who were expecting civil society and rule of law to prevail with a new democratic setup. The only way to deal with this situation and go forward is to unequivocally condemn such actions, bring the culprits to justice, and send a powerful message to anyone contemplating a repeat of such despicable behavior.

  44. readinglord says:
    April 9th, 2008 6:56 pm

    Mumtaz Jamal says:

    “On a lighter side though, personally, I would like to see Mr. Durr Fitte (Durrani), Sheeda Talli (Sh. Rashid) and Jaaju (Ijaz ul Haq) getting the same treatment. Eggs and tomatoes are acceptable even in highly democratic countries like US, UK and Europe. Boy that will make me feel better after what they have done to Pakistan in 8 years.”

    Khush keetaiy dear (You have gladened my heart). Tis is indeed the natural reaction to the insults suffered by the people, and the rape of the Constitution for 8 long years.

    I wonder why we forget that the restoration of judges

  45. zakoota says:
    April 9th, 2008 7:27 pm

    Very nice!!!
    If Mushy comes out without his 1000 gaurds what will happen to him? lol
    I wish………..Iwish….same!

  46. aquarian says:
    April 9th, 2008 8:12 pm

    It is amazing and sad to see people here justifying violence by wishing the same treatment for more people, and by saying they are happy to see this violence happening to someone.

    Also a shame to see ethnic hatred being shown in some comments here against Urban Sindh in guise of blaming the elected people and electorate of Southern Pakistan.

  47. RJ says:
    April 9th, 2008 10:08 pm

    “It is amazing and sad to see people here justifying violence by wishing the same treatment for more people”

    Yes and it shows why the people of Pakistan don’t deserve democracy; what a pathetic and uncivilized thoughts; their thoughts represent their ill will and character, and most of them are as shallow as their ill will.


  48. AM says:
    April 9th, 2008 10:15 pm

    Absolutely disgusting how Reading Lord and Zakoota have not only “celebrated” this hooliganism, but wished it upon others.

    And then there is Mr. Kashmiri, whose PML-N (MMA Lite) loyalties go so far as to call for the “liquidation” of the two moderate (and one most popular) parties in Pakistan – that despite the fact that the Sher Afgan incident happened in the strong hold of his beloved PML.

    Take your Moolah-ganism to Afghanistan please.

  49. Usman Akram says:
    April 10th, 2008 5:34 am

    Eidee Man : Dear dear, when have the lawyers been peacefull, have you forgotten the fightings in karachi and the pictures of lawyers trashing police cars and throwing stones at police. Have you forgotten that they threat that they will burn down the election commission. (contrary to their and many politicians claims EC has successfully conducted excellent ellections in pakistan’s history).

    zakoota : Sad!. The only reason PMLN & PPP are getting along is because they have a common cause; “Musharaf”. The day Musharaf steps down, these parties will be rivals again. We havnt got ministers in punjab and already the government has scraped schemes of last government, what did they base their decision on?

    They have started governing with showing what pervious gov did wrong rather then looking at today’s issues and finding solutions. This is typical of PMLN & PPP, nothing new!, they will loot and ruin whats left of us.

  50. Aamir Ali says:
    April 10th, 2008 9:38 am

    Looks like the lawyers and “democrats” are no different from Mr Musharraf and his supporters!

  51. Rizwan says:
    April 10th, 2008 11:38 am

    @ Afaq
    Yes I have no evidence but I have wisdom. When some people hate someone this much that all they see is revange. Then these people can not see anything else. Musharraf is quiet this even bothers haters. Causing their frustration to go up on top of it when Musharraf announces his trip to China this shows more confidence in Musharraf now all this is adding up frustration for haters. It seems like NS and SS along with Atzaz made this a personal war between Musharraf and haters. I won’t be surprised even Musharraf want to play along and want to defeat these haters.
    Would you believe this I never liked Zardari or mqm but NS and SS makes them look good.At least they are talking with responsibility. These people talk about poor and problems before the elections after the elections all they talk is revenge.

  52. Afaq says:
    April 10th, 2008 12:02 pm

    Interesting thing Rizwan says: “Yes I have no evidence but I have wisdom.”

    What might be a few good words to describe someone who says things without any evidence, things he himself is “wise” and everyone else is not?


  53. Rafay Kashmiri says:
    April 10th, 2008 12:55 pm


    Hooliganism must not be tolerated anywhere, by none,
    but I liked very much this live joke about having
    ” two moderate (one most popular) parties in Pakistan ”

    If you call them moderte (MQM & PPP) then tell me what is
    extremism ??
    If i asked liquidation of these two terrorists parties its
    because I have complete right to ask and its not immoral !
    the whole world knows about them. In Paris they know
    what MQM wants, break-up of Pakistan.
    And PPP is not different.

    Ok, if the ” Moolah-ganism” is taken back to Afghanistan,
    would you please take back Secularism/Marxisim to
    India ?? and kindly do spell correctly, its Mullah,

  54. MK says:
    April 10th, 2008 1:06 pm

    As you sow so shall you reap. Simple and sometimes a bitter fact of life. It is a treatment metted out to chauhdarys in a very chahudary style.
    Arbab Ghulam Rahim is the one who slapped someone in front of cameras once. He got what he deserved.
    Sher Afghan Niazi is no more than a street thug. A slap here or there is not much for him.
    Has everyone forgotten the fateful day when Aitazaz was injured by these very criminals in front of the Election commission.
    Have we forgotten the treatment metted out to the young child of a missing person when he was protesting in front of the CDA office.
    I think nothing can justify revenge but sometimes emotions do overflow.
    When people were beating the statue of Saddam Hussain no one on this forum bothered to condemn that act.

  55. Rafay Kashmiri says:
    April 10th, 2008 1:52 pm

    your points are very strong and justified, there are
    thousands other examples, but law and order, justice,
    with rigorous decency should prevail,
    public order is the health level of a nation.
    Saddam was executed by those who signed commercial contracts with him in the nearest past. A butcher was
    murdered !!

  56. Ahmed says:
    April 10th, 2008 2:44 pm

    Afaq wisdom does not come over night :) Truth is hate can blind take the focus away from real issues. SS and NS has one mission and that is Musharraf not Pakistan or poor prople of Pakistan all indications from their speeches point fingers on them.

  57. readinglord says:
    April 10th, 2008 6:27 pm

    Ahmad: “SS and NS has one mission and that is Musharraf not Pakistan or poor prople of Pakistan all indications from their speeches point fingers on them.”

    But this is what the nation and it’s will as enshrined in the Constitution wanted. The nation hates those who raped the Constitution for 8 long years and their first priority is that the Constitution should be restored and the rapists punished according to Art. 6 thereof . See this also:

  58. April 11th, 2008 7:24 am

    I’ve condemned these deplorable incidents earlier but today when I was reminded of another equally or perhaps more deplorable incident, I sincerely felt ashamed.

    Thrashing of Dr. Riaz Ahmed, a Karachi University professor, by LEA personnel recently by no means a less important an issue, perhaps much more shamful and deplorable act. Much deplorable is the indifferent attitude of electronic media towards this highly disgraceful act.

    It is disgusting to watch every TV screen in the country so repeatedly showing Dr. Arbab and Dr Sher Afgan

  59. readinglord says:
    April 11th, 2008 7:38 pm

    This is exactly what the Aaj TV pointed out so superbly in their program ‘ Live with Talat ‘ yesterday at 10 pm. Hats off to Talat Hussain who has rightly pointed out how these very people, Rahim, Afgan and their ilk, shamelessly supported the worst kind of state terrorism while in power but
    are now bewailing about the slight misbehavior, usual in democratic culture, applied to them in a befitting manner, but blown out of proportion by the media.

    In fact this is only a trailer of what the people would like to see in recompense of the insulting brutality meted out to the civil society for 8 long years by some of the state functionaries whose duty it was to protect and serve them.

  60. Amin says:
    April 12th, 2008 3:59 pm

    I am shoecked to read bbcnews when innocent people were locked next to city court in front of every body. Witnessed reported Armed men came out of Pajero with Chemicals and went inside the building locked the lawyers and burnt the building. Every body in the room died.

    bbcurdu reported this news

    May allah shows the right path. May we support pakistaniat and denounced terrorism or ethniciity on the name of muhajir, punjabi, pathan , baluchi etc etc.


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