Gen. Musharraf to become Mr. Musharraf on Thursday

Posted on November 27, 2007
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So finally, General Pervez Musharraf would become Mr. Pervez Musharraf on Thursday when he will be sworned in as a civilian president at the Aiwan-i-Sadr, Islamabad (13th president of Pakistan). Gen. Musharraf will retire after occupying Chief of the Army Staff post for more than nine years. Given a choice, I am sure he would have loved to continue for another 5-10 years and beat the record set by late Gen. Zia. But anyways, Musharraf paid farewell visits to Joint Staff, Air and Naval headquarters today where he met senior military officials one last time as COAS. Former DG ISI, Gen. Ashfaq Pervez Kayani will take over as new Chief of the Army Staff from Thursday. ATP readers who wish to know more about Gen. Kayani may find this bbc article very interesting.

Musharraf is taking his uniform off at a time when he has become highly unpopular, country is under unnecessary Martial Law, judiciary has been completely destroyed, lawyers and civil society are on the streets protesting against him, media is under severe curbs and he hardly has any friends left anywhere. It would be interesting to see how Gen. Musharraf survives in future as a civilian president.

He would require endorsement of PCO and all his actions since November 3 from newly elected assembly, if elections are held, which will be an uphill task and I really don’t see HOW it will happen unless Q-League wins again.

But then again, anything is possible in Pakistan. Who knows, Q-League wins with a heavy mandate this time after brilliant performance of 5 years in power.

According to Daily Times:

President General Pervez Musharraf would take oath as civilian president at 11am on Thursday, but before this he would relinquish charge of chief of army staff (COAS) to start his second term as president of Pakistan.

“Yes, he is going to take oath at 11am on Thursday,” Musharraf’s spokesman Maj Gen (r) Rashid Qureshi told Daily Times on Monday. He also confirmed that the Ministry of Defence had issued a notification of his retirement as army chief after being in office for nine years.

Farewell: Defence Ministry sources said Musharraf would start holding farewell meetings today (Tuesday) – a clear indication that he had decided to call it a day. “Musharraf will meet top military commanders, principal staff officers and senior colleagues,” defence sources said. The formal handing over of charge to his successor is also part of the farewell proceedings, they added. The sources said Musharraf was fulfilling the promise he made to the nation and the Supreme Court of vacating the army post before taking oath as president. Preparations for the ceremony to mark the change of army command are underway, and a formal ceremony will take place at General Headquarters in Rawalpindi, defence sources said.

After the completion of the ceremony, the Defence Ministry will announce the appointment of the new chief of army staff, sources said. A special meeting of corps commanders is expected before the handing over ceremony, they added.

Born in 1943 in New Delhi, Musharraf enrolled in the Kakul Military Academy in 1961. He was commissioned in the Artillery Regiment in 1964. Former premier Nawaz Sharif appointed him as the country’s 13th army chief on October 8, 1998. On October 12, 1999, he ousted Sharif in a bloodless coup and bundled him off to Saudi Arabia on December 10, 2000. On October 7, 2001, Musharraf extended his military term, which is supposed to be a three-year tenure post, for an unspecified period. After the late General Ziaul Haq, who was army chief for more than 12 years from April 1, 1976 to August 17, 1988, Musharraf’s tenure as army chief has been the longest. Last week, the new SC judges validated Musharraf’s victory in an October 6 presidential election, clearing the way for him to serve a further five years in office.

Army security, staff to stay: Sources said President Musharraf’s security would remain entrusted to the army, even after taking oath as a civilian president. A special contingent of Pakistan Army’s Special Services Group, headed by a brigadier, has been tasked with ensuring Musharraf’s security. General Musharraf has also decided to retain his current military staff after resigning as army chief, it was learnt. This includes a full time military secretary, deputy military secretary and deputy chief of staff.

It is too early and premature to say what legacy Gen. Musharraf is leaving as COAS and how he will be remembered. Only time will tell. After all, he is still going to rule us for another 5 years (atleast he thinks that way). So what if he is wearing a suit this time. But lets just hope that Gen. Kayani stays away from politics and takes serious steps to improve the deteriorating image of Pakistan Army.

139 Comments on “Gen. Musharraf to become Mr. Musharraf on Thursday”

  1. zakoota says:
    November 27th, 2007 8:18 pm

    Gen. Kiani, may be he’ll prove himself to be more patriotic and loyal Army officer and does best for Pakistan.

  2. Uzma Shah says:
    November 27th, 2007 8:30 pm

    Though its highly unlikely but we hope that Gen. Kiani will not interfere in state affairs.

    Please register your protest and watch tribute to judges, students and lawyers at:

  3. Eidee Man says:
    November 27th, 2007 8:44 pm

    Musharraf has begun singing his swan song; I don’t think he’s going to last long as president.

  4. Watan Aziz says:
    November 27th, 2007 8:55 pm

    It is said, that when a Roman general returned from a victory, he was given a parade in which he was dressed like a god. A slave rode in his chariot or walked behind the conqueror, holding a golden crown, and whispered in his ear a humbling reminder, “all earthly glory is fleeting”, “you are mere mortal”.

    Those who love Pakistan should learn to go on their own accord, sooner than later.

    Those who love them, should be willing to remind them, ‘Sir, it is time’.

    Pakistan has seen many who have claimed that the country will not run after they are gone.


    Pakistan Zindabad
    Pakistan Pa’indabad

  5. Zakintosh says:
    November 27th, 2007 10:18 pm

    29th? 12th (or 13th … if you split his Presidency into two phases: Uniformed and De-Robed)

    Watan Aziz says: Those who love Pakistan should learn to go on their own accord, sooner than later. Which reminded me that humourous poet, Syed Mohammad Jafri, made this observation years ago:


  6. Anwar says:
    November 27th, 2007 10:56 pm

    He will soon be history. Let us hope that after the dust settles and disappointed by new political leadership, people of Pakistan will not look back at the “good old days” just as the Ayub’s era is missed by the few even today.

    It is about time we close some dark chapters and look ahead and work towards strengthening the institutions for a better future.

    Best wishes to the nation that has endured so much.

  7. Atelieranalyst says:
    November 27th, 2007 11:02 pm

    Alwida Angel Fallen from Grace. Your legacy remains that of good intentions, arrogance, bad lies and never able to keep your word.

    Welcome back to BB, Nawaz etc. You bring the legacy of Corruption, Shameful Arrogance, Intolerance, Cronyism.

    God help Pakistan. A destination for pimps who flourish here with impunity

  8. Sami says:
    November 27th, 2007 11:12 pm

    Dil per pathar rakh k ye faisla kia ho ga!!! magar log jo pechay par gai hein…

    Before retiring frm army, Musharraf has done one more karnama…Read abt it at:

  9. November 28th, 2007 12:10 am

    new face, old agenda and the agenda is….

  10. bhitai says:
    November 28th, 2007 1:14 am

    the snake has shed its skin.

    is it not a snake anymore?

  11. Classof71 says:
    November 28th, 2007 2:19 am

    Let us hope as Pervez Musharraf wears his new clothes that this is not 1969 and a not re-run of the humiliating end Ayub Khan faced at the hands of his hand-picked successor Yahya Shaggy Dog and Yahya’s puppet-master Bhutto the very day “Field Marshal” Ayub Khan became a ” civilian President” after leaving his Army post.

    That is my bit of knowledge from Qudratullah Shahab’s “Shahab-nameh” for all those who love Pakistan.

    God save Pakistan.

  12. Aadil says:
    November 28th, 2007 3:41 am

    One thing that happened in his power packed regime was the polarization of Pakistani society into liberals and extremists or what was tried to project, causing a severe blow to unity of the nation. The damage he caused to the national institutions including the image of the very institution of Army is unprecedented in the 60 years history of Pakistan. He didn’t hesitated in resorting to exhibit his millitiary might against anyone he conisidered a thrreat to his own cause. Even he couldn’t please his masters in the west who constantly demanded him to do more. Judging by his past one cannot predict a smooth future for the man can top a contest of the most hatred person in the history of Pakistan.

  13. Imran says:
    November 28th, 2007 4:24 am

    @ Aadil

    You Sir, speak the truth,

    Could have not said it any better….

  14. Aadil says:
    November 28th, 2007 4:46 am

    And yes, while coming to office this morning I saw someone’s written on a wall at I-8 Islambad, “Hang Mush”…. and I thought there might have been something that caused someone to chalk that wall with the words so harsh….

  15. D_a_n says:
    November 28th, 2007 5:04 am

    @ Pakistan’s Musharraf Problem…

    No. Musharraf whatever you think of him…did NOT start the Swat Insurgency….that is born of a cancerous cult that was just waiting to pounce…and I am not one of the General’s supporters….however, I see what I see and he did not start it….it is disingenuous to just lay it all at his feet and ignore the wider problems that face us now…regarding swat…the fault lies with Mush for dallying and ignoring a threat till it become too big to handle…
    literally of a Nero fiddling while Rome burned….but I guess that is not apt as at least Nero KNEW that rome was burning….I have yet to see Mush portray that he even KNOWS just how much trouble we are in….or maybe he knows but is just too pre-occupied with somehow hanging on to this charade of a presidency…

    your argument ‘ON THE SWAT ISSUE’ are similar to bankrupt arguments given by Lal Masjid crowd appeasers that it would never have happened had Mush not been there…..

    In the same vein, I dont see you blaming BB for ‘starting’ the TNSM carried out mini insurgency in 94 in which again…hundreds of FC men were martyred….

    Its about time that you and others realised that Pakistan is at war…and at war with probably the most savage and blood thirsty enemy that we have ever faced….that is of this sick wahabi/salafi combine that seeks to over run us.

    so lets keep our facts straight here. Pretending that you are not under attack will not make the enemy turn tails and run…and neither will blaming swat on Mush…

  16. Rafay Kashmiri says:
    November 28th, 2007 5:13 am

    @ Atlast Musy is going to take off his uniform which
    was one of the hinderences to the democracy,
    Now its time for the civilian politicians to take of their’s
    and show what and WHO do they represent ??

  17. faisal_baadshah says:
    November 28th, 2007 5:28 am

    musharraf is the best leader of pak since jinnah. the fact that musharraf’s actions have caused equal amount of khujlee to liberals/nationalists as well as jihadi lovers is proof that musharraf has acted in the best interest of pak. the squealing by his opponents is proof that the blows that musharraf has landed has the desired impact. when sc ruled in favour of ex-cj, lot of people were predicting that musharraf was history and that ex-cj would hold real power in pak. reality is that musharraf has eating mitthaee in the presidency while ex-cj is locked up in his house. people ranting against musharraf on the internet better get ready to scream a lot more cause musharraf will be around for another 5 years. inshallah.

  18. Ahmad R. Shahid says:
    November 28th, 2007 6:00 am

    Musharraf is now half-dead, or perhaps three quarters dead.

  19. khadim Ch says:
    November 28th, 2007 6:23 am

    Congrats to Lawyers and people from civil society….they have done which was due on politicaly parties….ppp and pml(N) has really disappointed public…Ali Ahmed Kurd, Munir A Malik and Aitzaz and the big cheif Iftikhar have turned the table…..

  20. MB says:
    November 28th, 2007 6:24 am

    I don’t know but why, would one man in uniform replaced by other should make any difference to the GROUND REALITY. Its like one batsman going out & other coming to crease.

    Does that change the GAME PLAN for the MATCH ?

  21. Jamshed Nazar says:
    November 28th, 2007 6:28 am

    I would like to debate these comments made by Musharraf today, as reported in The News,

    “” He said the Army is the force to protect and unite the country. He said it is the military, which comes forward to face any internal or external threat. It is the military that always remains prepared to offer sacrifices in natural calamities, he further said.

    He said Pakistan could not survive without the Army. He said some unscrupulous elements raise fingers at the army but they do not understand the role of military in development and solidarity of Pakistan. “”

    This is also a general line adopted by most of the Army officers in Pakistan.

    1- Civilians are corrupt, unorganized and unpatriotic. Given a free hand, civilians cannot govern Pakistan and civilian rule results in loot, plunder and social chaos. So, the Army, in the background, is required to pull the strings. The democratic experiments of the Nineties prove this point.

    2- It is only the Army that is keeping the country togather. Without the Army, Pakistan would break up into many parts and there would be ethnic conflicts all over. Hence, Army needs to wage these internal wars against Baluch, Pushtoon, Mohajir, Sindhi, Seraiki, GIlgiti etc ethnic groups.

    Can some of the readers make some comments on these tow points??

    I personally think that Army’s perception is quite subjective. If the Army command would not meddle into the affairs of the Executive, Judiciary and Legislative and just stick with supporting instituitions within constitutional parameters, it would be strengthening the country. The problem starts when Army takes the “Holier than thou” position and starts to take charge of other institutions.
    The solution is not in forcing one emergency after another over the country but allowing one democratic goverment after another to function. The Army needs to take its hands off and the most it can do is to support institution building and push for accountability in its own workings. It can only support and push for accountability with checks n balances in the workings of the state provided that it is not a party to the state apparatus.

    With its own hands in the cookie jar, it loses all credibility and cannot blame civilian “corrupt” politicians.
    How many of the top Generals have been court marshalled for mismanagement and corruption??

    Regarding the second point that “Army is keeping the country togather” – it appears that Pakistan is for the Army and not that the Army belongs to the country.
    The Army needs to understand that a nation does not live in a time capsule – as it was created in 1947. With the passage of time, the social contract between the state and the citizen needs to evolve. The different ethnic groups across the country need to have more say in the functioning of government in their areas. Why does the gas from Sui not benefit Baluchistan or the Water Dams not benefit NWFP or buiness does not benefit Karachi? A democratic distribution of resources between different areas would result in balanced growth in different parts of the country. This requires the elected representatives to work out a solution through mutual agreement.
    What is the use of such a country that can only stay togather under the barrel of the gun?? Are we living in another Yogoslavia?
    I personally do not think that there is anything wrong with the concept if ethnic communities want more freedom within the state of Pakistan. It does not matter if you can call NWFP as Pakhtoonkhawa as long as the people living there want to be called just that. The administrative units of the country need to be broken down into 10+ provinces so that there is more local representation and ethnic diversity is consediered part of the country and not considered an abberation.

    I am currently living in Europe and I am so impressed with Euro zone cooperation and evolving common identity. Different people are happy within their cultures and at the same time have come togather for common economic markets, common government practices and Europe wide freedom of movement. While this is far from where Pakistan or South Asia is, this is a general direction that we should be moving towards. Pakistanis should be happy living togather and sharing resources and working togather. As long as we live in a Pakistan where you need an Army to keep pushing people to live togather, it will always remain unstable and vulnerable.

    About Musharraf a few words – It is a positive development that finally Musharraf has doffed his uniform. From his recent actions, it is quite clear that he had lost touch with reality and has strayed into the land of make belief.
    Although he has adopted the Turkish model of elevating himself to the presidential office directly from the Army, he will realize quite quickly that Gen Kiyani’s loyalty lies with the institution and support for further commando actions & U turns without his uniform will not be supported by the Army anymore.

    Perhaps, Musharraf will become the fall guy for the Army’s retreat out of the political scene.

    In any case, the good news is that Pakistan moves ahead in its search for a soul of its own once more. Lets see if this time it can do so without the pupeteering conducted by the Army in the background.

  22. November 28th, 2007 6:39 am

    I would like to congratulate the people of Pakistan , for their successful struggle against the military president of Pakistan to force him to doff his uniform. I as a Pakistani feel proud today. In the year 2007 we have crossed so many milestones towards the rule of law, democracy , freedom and liberty that we did not achieve in last 60 years. This is a single biggest achievement of civil society agains military rule in Pakistan and I am sure gains of this achievement are irreversible.

    For the first time in the history of Pakistan, civil society of Pakistan has caused an unbearable pressure to a sitting chief of Pakistan army to bow before the wishes people of Pakistan. Who could have imagined in January 2007, that ex-General (ah! how proud I feel while writing this word) would doff his uniform. His poodles were telling shamefacedly on every channel that they will

  23. Ahmad R. Shahid says:
    November 28th, 2007 6:43 am

    The first towards accountability: Kayani should declare his known and “unknown” assets that he got by virtue of his being a General.

  24. Long Live Musharraf says:
    November 28th, 2007 7:47 am

    Shame on all those who have forgotten all the good things this guy did for the country. He has been far more sincere to the nation than BB or NS or any other leader or dictator in the history of Pakistan.

    We are so funny. I bet just a few years down the road, it would someone else we would want to get rid of.

    Go Musharraf, Go! This sounds so fimiliar to me.

  25. November 28th, 2007 8:43 am

    His power is now half and lets see till when he can survive now.

  26. Ahmad R. Shahid says:
    November 28th, 2007 8:44 am

    I think one more blunder and Musharraf would be history.

  27. November 28th, 2007 8:45 am

    Watan Aziz – Maybe the analogy shouldn’t be with Roman Generals, but more like the lyrics of ‘The Who – Won’t get fooled again!’ track.

    “Meet the New Boss, Same as the Old Boss, But Let

  28. November 28th, 2007 8:49 am

    This is a positive development and we are a step closer to civilian rule – hopefully. Yes, the last few weeks have been terrible but why can’t we see something good – It was important that the army chief must not be the President, and we are there.

    Please also remember that Musharraf will not be all that powerful. Public pressure has played a huge role but there is a voluntary act here as well. Ayub Khan had to leave and Gen Zia had to be killed to move them away from the uniform.

    Most of the comments here are extremely negative and cynical – most nations pass through these stages of turbulence before coming into their own.. We are a relatively young country with great potential and we must not let the gloom and doom become the central theme of our worldview.

    This year has been a turning point – our citizens especially the middle classes have woken up from long spate of inertia and there is now a consensus across the country that absolute rule is NOT acceptable.

    This is why, during a martial law the exiled politicians are back and the army chief has relinquished his post!!

  29. I. Q. Butt says:
    November 28th, 2007 9:25 am

    With all major political parties in line to take part in forth coming generali elections, Pakistan is getting ready for another military take over in next five to seven years. Pakistan

  30. Aqil Sajjad says:
    November 28th, 2007 9:31 am

    Munir Malik’s interview with Dawn news. Look at his condition:


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  32. RE says:
    November 28th, 2007 10:12 am

    Many times Army has interfered in the state matters because they were asked by the politicians of opposition parties or people of Pakistan indirectly ask for it.
    Now Army Generals are Pakistani Citizens , Well educated , well mannered , fought wars to defend Pakistan.Historically during their times Pakistan made money all other times Pakistan lost money. I am not saying Pakistan Army should interfere without any reasons. Like I said Pakistan has not produced credible Politicians this is not fault of Army. Army has only saved Pakistan and politicians came to take Pakistan backward in past. Hopefully future will be better.
    Allah Bless Pakistan Army and Pakistan.
    Keep eyes and ears open enemy is inside Pakistan and enemy is online every where. Even here , Nuclear powers do not fight wars with rockets and bombs , they are fought with espionage and manipulations. Enemy is doing exactly this to take Pakistan back. Watch out.
    Allah bless Pakistan

  33. RE says:
    November 28th, 2007 11:10 am

    After Mohammad Ali Jinah only strong leader Pakistan has experienced is Mushraf. A true worker. What he did for Pakistan will be remembered in coming years. He was under pressure and he did what he thought was right for Pakistan.
    A good leader never comes under pressure. A true solder does everything in favor of his country.
    Many prayers for respectful Mushraf.
    Now I request our politicians one can laugh at them. Act sober and civilized. Keep Pakistan on your top list.
    Allah Bless Pakistan

  34. Ahmad R. Shahid says:
    November 28th, 2007 11:14 am

    Some people are predicting that there would be yet another coup in a few years that would once again derail the entire process and bring military back into the corridors of power. The history of Pakistan over the last 60 years bears testimony to it. Yet it might not really happen for various reasons.

    Each such military take over has its costs, and in my view the costs are rising for many reasons. 1) When Ayub Khan took over there were many countries in the world that were not democratic, which later became democratic such as South Korea, Malaysia, Indonesia, Brazil, Spain, Nepal, Iran, Russia, Central Asian States, Eastern Europe and many others. A few countries were still colonies of the West such as Rhodesia, now Zimbabwe. In 1999 when Musharraf took over many of these countries had become democratic or were in the process of becoming one, and as such there was few colonies left if any. In the future whenever the military takes over, a few more countries would be even more democratic than before. Thus it would not be possible for the next military dictator to be as blind in his ambitions as they have been before because of all the international pressure, which we know very well plays big part in countries such as Pakistan, which have strategic importance and location. 2) Our civil society, no matter how nascent, is taking shape now as is evidenced by the recent movement in favor of the CJ. That civil society is only going to become stronger with the passage of time. 3) The courts have been showing more and more independence over time. Its not the first time that the executive had problems with the Judiciary. Both NS and BB had their own shares of the problem. Yet even after both decimated any challenge to their authority in the courts, courts became more powerful over time. Under CJ Iftikhar, they were the strongest so far. And judging by the reaction of the people it seems that this decimation by Musharraf is just a blip in the rising graph of judicial independence.

    All these things raise the cost of a military take over. No wonder the cost had become so high that first time in the history of the country, a sitting COAS ruler had to take off his uniform, which is no mean achievement. I hope, and there are indicatons that it will, the costs would rise further and in future a military hemlsman might even have to loose his life to impose a martial law.

  35. RE says:
    November 28th, 2007 11:24 am

    Yes there will be another coup if politicians take out money from Pakistani Banks and fail to perform their duty and act uncivilized. Its very important Pakistan produce new credible politicians.

  36. Ahmad R. Shahid says:
    November 28th, 2007 11:28 am


    There is no free lunch. There is cost associated with bringing in new leadership. You can’t just throw away the people into the Black Sea. The easiest and least cost route is to let the political parties function in an environment where loyalty to the COAS is not the key criterion, but the will of the people. And let this process continue without hindrance and break, even with the same set of leaders we have. Else the cost would be very high and we have been paying the cost for the last 60 years.

  37. RE says:
    November 28th, 2007 11:58 am

    First time in history of Pakistan people of Pakistan stayed home. Media , advocates , politicians and enemy of Pakistan all tried best to bring them into streets. Even enemy of Pakistan spent money to destabilize Pakistan,
    People of Pakistan went with truth. They felt there was something honest about Mushraf and that kept them home. They had the past history. They knew what they were given in past for their struggle.
    Allah Bless Pakistan

  38. November 28th, 2007 12:53 pm

    Musharraf would not have resigned without having set up a system in which he remains the essential player. I don’t think it’s prudent to predict his early political demise.

    Steve LeVine, author
    The Oil and the Glory (Random House)

  39. RE says:
    November 28th, 2007 1:04 pm

    Steve LeVine
    I agree 100% what you said. Then question is why? Answer is for Pakistan. Some of Previous leaders have chosen to leave country by taking all the money from Pakistan. Or they have simply left pockets of Pakistan empty with mismanagement of money.
    This guy worked hard for Pakistan and he did not want to leave in the hands of the people who have bad records. Now we had produced some new leaders and new examples things would have been diffrent.
    And Pakistan must fight extremism out of Pakistan and Mushraf is the man to do it. Extremism should be taken as 1st priority and should be eliminated from Pakistan.

    Alah Bless Pakistan

  40. Kamran says:
    November 28th, 2007 1:22 pm

    I just don’t get why everyone is asking for democracy, when the two opposing frontrunners are who have been thrown out of the government twice.

    When will we learn? We are just all frustrated and due to that logic thinking goes out of the window.

    And this frustation is not due to Musharraf, it has been due to being a failed state since inception. We have dug the grave for ourselves and now everyone is trying to climb out at the same time.

    In the current scenario, I don’t see anybody apart from Imran Khan to be beneficial to Pakistan. Unfortunately, the majority of the population fail to realize who will serve them best.

  41. JK says:
    November 28th, 2007 1:29 pm

    Mushy Quagmire> Actually, it seems as if Pakistanis are no friends of Pakistan.

    Stop blaming everyone else. Pakistan should be so strong that no outside influences should be able to affect it. That is not true though. All paki rulers have stabbed Pakistan in the back

  42. MQ says:
    November 28th, 2007 1:51 pm

    One of the popular slogans raised nowadays in the frequent and ubiquitous protest meetings in Pakistan goes like this:

    Zor say bolo
    Hum cheen kay layn gay
    And now they have added one more line to it. I heard it the other day when I stumbled on one such gathering in Islamabad. It is:

    Tera baap bhi de ga

    I thought it was funny, but after seeing the video posted by Aqil Sajjad (above) now I know why this line resonated so much with the crowd.

  43. Razi says:
    November 28th, 2007 2:16 pm

    OK Musharaf is now gone….What next?

    Same old corrupt politicians who plundered and raped the country? Is there any hope outside the band of usual suspects? Or will millions in the country continue to suffer at the hands of the few power hungry. The masses need to know what went wrong for them and their country …wronged at the hands of politicians, the military, the bureaucrats and the judiciary.

  44. Aqil Sajjad says:
    November 28th, 2007 2:32 pm

    Mush having been made to take off his uniform reminds me of Hamid Khan’s comment in his May 26 address to the lawyers a few days after Mush’s second skin comment:


    “uss kee vardi kee baat abhee kartay hain, fiqar na karain
    kyoonkeh uss kee vardi aap hee utarain gay insha Allah tala
    bama uss kee khaal kay”

    Ali Ahmed Kurd’s fiery speech at the same gathering is


  45. Yankee Fear Creation of Terror says:
    November 28th, 2007 2:45 pm

    America’s failed war on terror have destroyed Iraq and Afghanistan, trying to steal oil in name of terror has backfired, it is wake up call not only for Pakistan but rest of the region, Americans bring no good news to this part of the world.

    Now, they are setting their eyes on us, and singing same old song of fear and terror, but they will fail, make no mistake, but at the end they leave these countries in a huge mess, just look next door to Iraq/Afghanistan, we must not let them or their agents into our land.

  46. RE says:
    November 28th, 2007 2:59 pm

    Mushraf many of us love you. Please do not leave Pakistan in the hands of Power Hungary politicians. Many in Pakistan already feeling that father figure who was protecting Pakistan is not there. Like an Umbrella was keep the corrupt showers away.

    Allah Bless Pakistan

  47. November 28th, 2007 3:12 pm

    Razi says: OK Musharaf is now gone

  48. RE says:
    November 28th, 2007 3:16 pm

    Just keep on blaming America for everything is not wise. Yes the whole world knows Iraq invasion was bad. But no nuclear Power in the world has danger of extremist taking over nukes.
    But Pakistan has those issues. Islam never says kill innocents or non Muslims to spread Islam.These evils are beheading Pakistani Army?
    These extremists do not understand Islam was spread with examples not with violence. Just think of Christians if they decide to kill Muslims if Muslims do not convert to Christianity? How would this feel? Wouldn’t Muslim be scared of extremist Christian state with nukes?
    Muslim Scholars must speak out against these extremists. Pakistan must act civilized or give up Nukes.
    And why not act civilized? This will only result in better Pakistan.

    Allah Bless Pakistan

  49. November 28th, 2007 3:47 pm

    Well very rightly said that we can’t predict at the moment that president Musharraf is going to last for five more years. At the moment a silent prayers is coming to my heart and rightly echoed in our national Anthem:

    “Pak sar Zameen Shad bad”

    May peace prevail in Pakistan!
    May peace prevail on Earth!!!!!

  50. November 28th, 2007 4:54 pm

    How the mighty have fallen!, praise goes to the lawyers movement, judiciary and civil society who reminded us all that Pakistan is for Pakistanis and not for her khaki kings.

    Its disappointing that Mush never heeded my advice in an open letter sent to him and posted elsewhere which if accepted as constructive criticism could have saved him and more importantly Pakistan from the chaos we have today. Do have a read of it by scrolling down and using link below:

    So as the khaki king departs soon his alter ego the zombie president will also find that his time is up. A new Pakistan is taking shape, lets create an ‘other’ Pakistan, the Quaid’s Pakistan.

    Feimanallah Pakistan


  51. Muhammad Younas says:
    November 28th, 2007 5:59 pm

    No matter who comes as army chief, mindset is not going to change unless we get civilian rule by popular support and not by signing deals with the dictator. Now even if civilian rule comes back to Pakistan, army will keep its presence by a retired general as president or even if president is gone, religious parties or any other proxies are always available to serve the purpose.

  52. Ahmad R. Shahid says:
    November 28th, 2007 6:25 pm

    Tearful Musharraf retires as army chief

  53. RE says:
    November 28th, 2007 6:58 pm

    Mushy Quagmire
    Mushraf is the best Pakistan ever got. He has plan for enemy.To understand his tears you have to trust Mushraf.

    To all Pakistanis :
    Keep eyes and ears open enemy is inside Pakistan and enemy is online every where. Even here , Nuclear powers do not fight wars with rockets and bombs , they are fought with espionage and manipulations. Enemy is doing exactly this to take Pakistan back. Watch out.
    Allah bless Pakistan

  54. RE says:
    November 28th, 2007 7:06 pm

    Anyone who hates Army in Pakistan must be out of your mind.Root to the problem of Army taking over is that Pakistan has not produced any good politician/leader.
    If we have honorable politicians we will never have Army rule in Pakistan
    Name one credible Politician after Mohammad Ali Jinnah? A true worker?
    Army Generals has saved Pakistan not only at borders but also as a Government.
    Army Generals are Pakistani Citizens fought wars for Pakistan, they are well educated , they are well mannered , well discipline and have the balls to make descisuons under pressure.
    All the Mushraf haters are either ignorants of Pakistan, brain washed by the enemy propaganda, and they have no idea who is right and who is wrong.
    Keep eyes and ears open enemy is inside Pakistan and enemy is online every where. Even here , Nuclear powers do not fight wars with rockets and bombs , they are fought with espionage and manipulations. Enemy is doing exactly this to take Pakistan back. Watch out.
    Allah bless Pakistan

  55. AM says:
    November 28th, 2007 7:17 pm

    Its quite disheartening to see people still roiling in the mud celebrating at Musharraf’s doffing of his uniform, rather than facing up to the question of “what next”? Makes sense of course, because now that the punching bag is gone, there is nothing to look forward to, except the same old tried, tired and corrupt faces (who still think that making statements like “dictatorship is causing all the problems in FATA and democracy will resolve them” actually passes for policy statements) and we have to wake up to the reality of actually working towards a proper representative government.

    Now is when all those baying for Musharraf’s blood have to decide who is going to lead Pakistan – but even such “principled” individuals such as Aitazaz Ahsan, snubbed by his “leader” so many times, do not have the “principles” to break away from an individual who has been convicted in foreign courts, and has proven to be a failure – twice!

    I for one would be glad were Aitzaz to get together with the ex CJ’ and Justice Wajihuddin and even Imran – to present the people of Pakistan with a new choice! We are ready for it! But alas, even those with “principles” seem to be finding it hard to actually act upon them. Notice the stream of “politicians” heading towards the same old faces .

    Hussain Haqqani, who has been touting himself on all the US talk shows as a Pakistan expert, has just had his wife given a ticket by the PPP. So much for ever thinking the drivel issuing from him was “objective”. I will be writing to NPR and any other talk shows I have heard him on or will hear him on to remind them that this individual is nothing but an opportunist – whose biased views were sold to the American audience as objective analysis. He should have clarified his connections.

  56. Saad says:
    November 28th, 2007 8:58 pm

    And the despot has shed his skin, more like it got peeled off him. :)

    Congratulations to the civil society of Pakistan, for today you’ve proven it beyond a doubt that when standing together, you’re far more powerful than all the guns, bullets, batons, tear gas rounds of a tyrannical regime combined.

  57. Adnan Ahmad says:
    November 28th, 2007 9:07 pm

    AM, That’s what I have been saying about Husaain Haqqani for a very long time. An opportunist to the core. God knows what could he still be if he had character.

  58. RE says:
    November 28th, 2007 9:08 pm

    what kind of propaganda you have come up with? This was all promised by President Mushraf?

  59. AM says:
    November 28th, 2007 9:16 pm

    Oh I forgot…..

    Thank you Mr. President – for taking our country from the edge of the abyss it was teetering at, with a “tyrannical” would-be “Amir ul Momineen” getting ready to destroy whatever little shred of tolerance and open mindedness this plagued society of ours had, to this nation on its way to becoming a true Asian economic powerhouse with a vibrant and independent media (hopefully the curbs will go away with the demise of the emergency).

    Thank you Mr. President – for taking the hard unpopular decision of shedding our obsession with the Mujahideen and “strategic depth” – for your dedication, commitment and loyalty to this nation.

  60. AM says:
    November 28th, 2007 9:27 pm

    Adnan Ahmed Sahib – I’m afraid I have only recently discovered this excellent site, and have not been a regular reader (Blind supporter of Musharraf and all ;-), so I must have missed your comments regarding Mr. Haqqani.

    On to my last point – The projections for Pakistani economic growth by almost every major financial institution in the world are currently indicating growth rates of over seven percent given continuity of reforms and policies. Why do I bring this up? Not to tout Musharraf really – but to point out that if things do go down the drain, lets not allow the excuse of a ” interfering military” to make excuses for any regression.

    The military has supported this growth (it can’t really buy any of its fancy toys without it) and therefore is unlikely to support or push any policies that would adversely effect it. So the blame, if a slow down does occur (cross our fingers), will lie entirely on this bunch of intellectually deficient clowns I see ready to assume control of 150 million Pakistanis and their destiny.

    PS: I heard Jahangir Badr speak for the first time on TV – is it just me or does he really sound like he could have been a character in Andhera Ujala?

  61. zakoota says:
    November 28th, 2007 9:37 pm

    Adil, Owais and Darwaish,

    I fully understand it must be hell of a job to edit the ‘unpleasent, inappropriate and unwelcoming’ bickerings from any post where there are any news or reviews about the multi-talented President of Pakistan :)

  62. Viqar Minai says:
    November 28th, 2007 9:40 pm

    The Daily Times is suggesting the emergency may be lifted on Thursday (no word about the PCO though).

    BTW, how can Musharraf take oath under the 1973 constitution when he has suspended it? What is sauce for goose is not the sauce for gander?

  63. Saad says:
    November 28th, 2007 9:45 pm

    Viqar – You’re expecting a lot in form of reason, logic and commonsense out of a simple minded ex-general.

    After all in words of his apologists, what does he know about the law of the land? It’s his minions who must’ve told him to do so.

  64. MQ says:
    November 28th, 2007 9:47 pm

    In the comments above, someone said “Musharraf, we love you …”.
    For the information of the gentleman who made this comment let me mention that there is group of people known as “Musharraf’s Lovers”, and I am not joking or making this up. The group first sprouted in Islamabad and was founded by someone named Dr. Amjad. The good doctor, every now and then, would plaster the main avenues of Islamabad with banners welcoming Musharraf from his trips abroad or on his political or diplomatic “victories”. Since both Musharraf’s trips and “victories” were so frequent the banners appeared with frequent regularity on all the important avenues. Every banner would mention in very large letters “min-janib Dr. Amjad” (From Dr. Amjad). No one knew, however, who this Dr. Amjad was. A newsman finally found out and informed the readers that the good doctor was actually a poultry doctor and was the president of the Poultry Farms Owners association in Islamabad. Nothing wrong with being a poultry doctor or being a “Musharraf Lover”, or both, but guess what? The good doctor is one of the ministers in the caretaker government today.

  65. RE says:
    November 28th, 2007 9:52 pm

    All my friends in California support Mushraf. They all agree that politicians has failed unless we have new leader to compare with.
    Bhutto = Thief of Pakistan
    Nawaz = people rather has his brother as PM

    Even prophet would have made mistake to bring Pakistan back to where it is today. Mushraf is just General.

  66. zakoota says:
    November 28th, 2007 9:56 pm

    Keep on arguing about who is good and who is bad? keep on giving examples and logics…..nothing will come up! no major decision in Pakistan was ever made or will ever be made either by any army general or any civilian in Pakistan.

    The damage Gen. Musharaf has done to Pakistan’s most organized and respectable institution (despite their interruptions in the political process) is almost unrepairable. The so called slogans of “extremism” and “internal threat” are given and rationalized by Musharaf himself to justify his illegal civil war against people of Pakistan.

  67. AM says:
    November 28th, 2007 10:02 pm


    Illegal civil war?

    Last I heard it was “illegal” for people from one country to attack forces based in another, it is “illegal” for people to be beheaded without trials on the mere suspicion of being “amreeki Jasoos” or “Prostitutes” (anti Musharaf people do love the law don’t they?), it is illegal to plant bombs in schools and threaten people for kowtowing to medieval and barbaric demands. One can criticize Musharraf for a lot of things, but only extremist sympathizers will criticize him for participating in the WoT.

    250 terrorists killed in Swat, and hopefully quite a few more to come under Kiyani – Swallow that Mr. Zakoota.

  68. RE says:
    November 28th, 2007 10:05 pm

    what damage? forgot damage done by previous Prime Minsters? Short memory? No hard done to Pakistan. Pakistan has the best rating ever in Business world now then ever before. Stop BS anti Pakistan propaganda. He is not just a loyal solder he is a strong leader who can take any pressure and do what he thinks is right thing for Pakistan.
    If he was like todays politicians he/she would have not stood strong like Mushraf did knowingly he will look bad.

    Pakistani people must keep eyes and ears open and watch out for enemy inside Pakistan physically or via Internet.
    Nuclear powers do not fight wars with rockets and bombs , they are fought with espionage and manipulations. Enemy is doing exactly this to take Pakistan back. Watch out.

  69. faraz says:
    November 28th, 2007 10:22 pm

    zakoota, why you and other people dont accept the reality the the biggest enemy of Pakistan today is OBL and fanatics. Why in world India will attack us. OBL want to turn Pakistan in another Iraq. Now it is responsibility of army to save Pakistan from external as well as internal enemy. If few million ppl want to destroy Pakistan, they have to be neutrilize to save rest of 160 million ppl.

    I am happy that Mush has shatter his uniform. It will give army more credibility to flush out extremists. And what do you think? Kyani and any other generel will be tough on extremist as Mush was. I think extremist are working on three phase strategy.

    1. Create safe heavens in Pakistan like Waziristan and Swat.
    2. Attack USA basing from these heavens so USA attack back on Pakistan.
    3. Turn Pakistan into Iraq and bring more financial demage to USA.

    The most sad part is so many ppl in Pakistan and so many wealthy arab sheikhs are helping these people to turn Pakistan into a battle ground. Do you think that OBL and fanatics have any care for Pakistan?

    Why we want to destroy our country to fight Arab cause. They dont care about Pakistan.

  70. faraz says:
    November 28th, 2007 10:51 pm

    Zakoota, If ppl of Pakisan die on street because of OBL or fanatics then no arabs will come to save us.

    Iraq can be rebuild, because they have oil but we have nothing. We need good relationship with rest of world in order to surrvive.

  71. Ghalib says:
    November 28th, 2007 11:09 pm

    Santa Singh or Banta Singh one and the same thing!!!

    It was Ayub followed by Yahya then Zia and Mush! so pak had already completed army’s A to Z before Mush came into the pic! Now its again an Ashfaq another A!

    Santa Singh or Banta Singh one and the same thing one and the same thing!!!!

  72. AM says:
    November 28th, 2007 11:13 pm

    Very well said Mr. Faraz – India has busied itself in becoming an economic, and by virtue of that, a military and geopolitical superpower. Our biggest threat now is from extremists who prefer threatening shop owners over mannequins rather than encouraging our youth to be creative, vibrant and striving for betterment in a competitive society.

    Some of Musharraf’s most bitter critics are those who are still smitten with the thought of a Utopian Islamic society, and secretly subscribe to some of the ideals of the extremists, to varying degrees. Our culture is an “honor” based one (our concept of honor is one that I have come to regard as very “dishonorable”), and as such the restrictive and chauvinistic interpretations of Islam provide some of us solace. We fail to realize that the honor of our youth and women is in having the freedom to reach their highest potential – be it in education, their professions, or at home.

  73. November 29th, 2007 12:50 am

    A very valid point voiced by AM yes we now need to stop celebrating the Musharraf retirement, we actually need to a answer a very important question that is ‘Whats Next’

  74. anonymous says:
    November 29th, 2007 1:16 am

    Mush wants to stick to power at any cost, for the last eight year nation has to pay the cost and its first time he has to take off the uniform. he has damaged all the institutions of Pakistan and what i can see is the use of his powers to dismiss the elected government. I am sure he will do that when new government will try to get rid of him.

  75. Aqil Sajjad says:
    November 29th, 2007 2:18 am

    What next is certainly an important question. But lets not get carried away. Mush is still around. He has the army with him and has just forced himself as president on the nation once again (through this recent coup). It’s not that his act of taking off the uniform makes the issue of democracy go away.

  76. Aqil Sajjad says:
    November 29th, 2007 2:27 am

    And not to mention that he and his care taker cabinet are not going to hold free and fair elections, especially when the judiciary is also not independent.

  77. November 29th, 2007 5:01 am

    @pak tea house
    I subscribed this blog , because of some balanced debates on it previously. However I unsubcribed it day before yesterday when I realized that ATP administrator is using different yard stick for moderating the comments. I have no objection on that it is his right and he should use it.
    I believe that the blog comments are being spammed. I was even labelled as indian :)
    @ATP Administrator
    I apologies again if somehow I again violated the comment’s policy , however I won’t be posting any comments in future so rest assured this is last time. You may delete this comment if you like. But would appericiate if you keep it.

  78. Nayab Khan says:
    November 29th, 2007 6:39 am

    Some really encouraging comments on this article.

    I thought pakistanis have been draged to darkness by corrupt politicians and fanatics but Musharraf’s shreding of Uniform has made people realise that its all about Pakistan and not just President.

    I have heard politicians criticising Musharraf or PML-Q and saying true democracy is the solution to all our problems. Neither PPP or PML-N did anything during their democratic era to stop shia/sunni killings or anything on kashmir or drug trafficing from afganistan or personal weapons licencing or terrorist camps. Their parties do not even have an agenda on our economic policies. PPP & PML-N will only rob the country once again! Are they going to negotiate with Fazulluah on sawat? OH they will only come to conclude that mulana can have his own jirga and rule there in return of all votes for next ellection. Could Nawaz or BB be able to handle pakistan’s black market nukes issue so well?, No one was even given permission to interview Dr.Qadeer. If this was BB he would have been in American jail given her nature of a trator. She has blood of thousands of sikhs on her hands. I spoke to a Sikh a month ago and he said, he loves Musharraf, because in his era we have been able to visit our holy places in Pakistan peacefully and we love pakistani people.

    PML-Q has worked hard in last five years and changed so many things in Pakistan, just look at the Banking sector and National ID scheme, these are the basic necessities for economic growth and security. They are not perfect, there are corrupt people among them too but they are better then PPP & PMLN, Alot better.

    I bet PML-Q will win if PPP doest not buy votes in sindh and PML-N do not buy votes in Punjab! It is upto Pakistanies to vote for their own future!!

  79. zia m says:
    November 29th, 2007 7:37 am

    I recently found this site and was really enjoying the debate but last couple of days it has gotten ugly here.I found your posts very thought provoking.I am sure ATP moderator will take proper action and get rid of spam.

    No sane pakistani will support extremism,some people here are
    trying to muddy the waters.Opposing mush does not mean you like OBL or extremists.Mush is creating more extremists by killing innocent civillians,restoration of democratic values and providing education is a better way of fighting radicals.
    Every time when there is a hint of civillian rule enemies of Pakistan start crying country is in danger.
    It is a shame one of the poorest country
    has the richest generals in the world.

  80. Ahmad R. Shahid says:
    November 29th, 2007 7:48 am

    zia m:

    You are right one of the poorest countries has one of the richest Generals. I just hope that now Musharraf is no more COAS, NAB and ISI should investigate the assets of this CIA-sponsored dictator and make them public.

  81. November 29th, 2007 8:58 am

    Pejamistry, Zia and others: you have pointed out the posting of some silly comments here – however, I am not sure if the moderators here ought to be blamed.

    It is disappointing to note that many commentors just write without thinking – for instance kukar just wrote that NS is ——–ng too much hence he is ugly.

    koi batlao ke ham batlayain kiya??

    After reading all these comments, I sadly have to agree with Ashfaq Ahmad that the parha likhaas of Pakistan were worse than the an-parhs!!

    Anyway, Pejamistry saheb, keep commenting – we can’t let sanity disappear from this space..

  82. faraz says:
    November 29th, 2007 10:02 am

    Zia m, what I meant to say to you can crticize Musharaf on lot of front, but why you guys critize his actions against extremist, it makes me worry about future of Pakistan.

    I dont justify his operations in Baluchistan, but tell me what he was supposed to do in Waziristan, lal masjid and Swat. Let OBL supporters to have safe heavens where they can have plan their attack on west and rest of Pakistan. There were more then hundreds of “armed to teeth” fanatics in lal masjid. What he was supposed to do. Allow these ppl to wander on street of ISB.

    This extremism is result of 25 years of Zia’s islamization and jihadi policy and you can not blame Mush. Mush is the one who has started to reverse the process (after getting push from USA) and it will naturally create some reaction. In any war some innocent ppl will die.

    Have you heard about “snow ball” effect. If these ppls would have not been crush in Lal masjid and Swat, then you will make every 5th masjid lal masjid and every second hill place as SWAT. These ppl has to be treated with iron hands.

    I hope that Gen Kyani and NS or BB will continue on same route to flush out these elements.

  83. Nayab Khan says:
    November 29th, 2007 10:10 am

    zia m and others; You are looking from a wrong angle.
    In 1989 many innocents got killed along with MQM terrorists in karachi operation, but isnt karachi better of today? or you still want the cells where people use to drill into their victim’s knees hanging around? and mostly these innocents die because of their own stupidity and otherwise its collateral damage.
    Pakistan army does not go around shooting people for fun!!
    If we let people like Mulana fazullah have hold in sawat, soon many others will follow with different versions of shariya thru-out pakistan and then they will fight each other. Even MMA couldnt stay united for one term!!. There will be more killings, more robberis and more starvation, just see where afganistan and afgani people stand today!
    And people like Mulana fazullah only do these things when people in their area support them and thus they are responsible too and not innocent!

    I am in favour of shoot to kill anyone who holds a weapon in sawat and tribal areas.

    Musharraf named his successor and done the transition of power to him, now can the BB and Nawaz suckers name their successors and let someone else lead PPP & PMLN. Are they lords/kings/rulers/gangsters of their party?
    I will support any Musharraf pupit government untill PPP & PMLN change their management and publish their agendas on various issues of national security, integrity and development.

  84. RE says:
    November 29th, 2007 10:44 am

    Congratulations to President Mushraf for becoming Civilian President. I hope NS and BB although BB should be in Jail. But I hope she will give the money back to Pakistan and ask for forgiveness.
    Also I believe Shabaz Sharif is much better choice than NS.
    Anyways I hope all Pakistani politician act in the interest of Pakistan.
    Allah Bless Pakistan

  85. Nayab Khan says:
    November 29th, 2007 11:03 am

    Musharraf just slapped his critics real hard.
    He has stood by his words once again and given date he will lift emergency.

    Wish i could slap pj-mir and shahid for being so dramatic !! :D

  86. Mus says:
    November 29th, 2007 11:16 am

    This is how Gen.Kiyani,is described in the Western press:
    “Thoughtful,thinking,chain-smoking and staunchly pro-US,Gen.Kiyani assumes the role of Pakistan’s top boss”.
    His credentials say he is a graduate of a US military academy and has done “MA in war studies”.

  87. November 29th, 2007 11:24 am

    RE Saheb

    With due apologies: have you heard of ‘due process’ before anyone is sent to jail? On the one hand this website and its visitors are crying out loud for judicial independence, the rule of law and Constitution and on the other there are so many who want this or that to be ‘hanged’, jailed and God-knows-what..

  88. AM says:
    November 29th, 2007 11:37 am

    I apologize if my comments came across as suggesting that all those who oppose Musharaf support terrorism – that is not what I mean to to say at all. I was just suggesting that there are many Musharraf opponents (the anti “enlightened-moderation” crowd mostly) who share some of the beliefs of those who use violence and intimidation to advance their warped version of Islam.

    We don’t talk about “killing our Muslim brothers” when we hang a murderer, or when a dacoit is killed by police – but I see quite a few people criticizing the GoP for acting against people who are engaging in criminal activity just because those criminals hang a “In the name of Islam” sign around their necks. That is intellectually dishonest. People resorting to such “killing innocent Pakistani/Muslim brother” canards are either so lost in anti-Musharaf sentiment that they cannot appreciate one of the few good things he has done for Pakistan, or they really subscribe to a twisted view of the world.

  89. AM says:
    November 29th, 2007 11:49 am

    Regarding some peoples concerns about “free and fair” elections, this is what I understand so far about the electoral reforms BB convinced Musharraf to initiate (she is good for something apparently):

    1. We are going to have thousands of international and local observors.

    2. Political parties will be able to appoint their own agents to monitor the voting and counting.

    3. The counting will be done at the polling booth in front of the observers and agents and the results will be announced right then and there at the polling booth – instead of being sent to Islamabad.

    4. Ballot boxes to be transparent, reducing the chances of fake votes already present inside (not sure what percentage of the ballot boxes will be like this, and whether the political party agents can do anything to ensure non-transparent ballot boxes do not have votes in them – I imagine they could simply peek in)

    Given all of this, it seems we will have quite a bit of transparency in the election process. If none of this happens, then accusations of fraud might be justified, but we will have to wait and see. Right now this seems to be the process to be followed. Clarifications on any incorrect information are welcome.

  90. Nayab Khan says:
    November 29th, 2007 12:37 pm

    Check this, so much encouraging:

    Kruman; why are you running? do you have no more arguments to win on?

    AM; thats brilliant. I hope it works out well, all responsibility on Pakistanies now, if the majority chooses to sell their vote then the minority will have to live with the corrupt politicians but if they choose wisely i am sure PML-Q will form goverment again, hopefully will more honest people.

  91. alibhai says:
    November 29th, 2007 1:01 pm

    Is it just me or do the writers on this blog not think that Musharraf’s retirement from the army and subsequent oath taking as civilian president, in keeping with his promises and as told by Shaikh Rashid over a year ago, is not blog worthy.

  92. Ahmad R. Shahid says:
    November 29th, 2007 1:10 pm

    I hope the elections are free and fair but the results of perhaps the only truly free and fair elections in 1970 produced a hung parliament, which ultimately goes to the benefit of the Army rather than the political process.

  93. Nadeem says:
    November 29th, 2007 1:30 pm

    At last General Mushraf has become Mr.Mushraf but its too late now.we have loose every thing .

  94. RE says:
    November 29th, 2007 1:34 pm

    Nadeem what we have lost? He brought in 11 billion dollars.
    for your information 1 billion = 1000 million.
    Once we have a strong leader he did what he believed in and what was good for Pakistan.
    Long Live Mushraf and Pakistan.

  95. Sohail Agha says:
    November 29th, 2007 2:06 pm

    Nawaz says APDM to boycott elections
    The correct Link

  96. RE says:
    November 29th, 2007 2:09 pm

    Nawaz Sharif should be placed in Jail for not acting in the interest of Pakistan. Power Hungary. Shahbaz Sharif is better choice anyway.

  97. RE says:
    November 29th, 2007 2:11 pm

    One can make how many mistakes? Another mistake by NS if he is going to Boycott Elections.

  98. Riaz says:
    November 29th, 2007 2:42 pm

    Now one can safely call NS A L*L.

  99. Sohail Agha says:
    November 29th, 2007 4:15 pm

    Geo News resumes worldwide transmission sans Pakistan

  100. Sohail Agha says:
    November 29th, 2007 4:38 pm

    Financial Times
    ”Musharraf must quit both politics and the army”

  101. RJ says:
    November 29th, 2007 5:12 pm

    As we all know Pakistani laureates are famous for not respecting their true heroes, but me being an average Joe salutes Musharraf and his legacy. He proved to be the most visionary and charismatic leader Pakistan has ever have. I know due to their religious and ethnic bigotry there are people who couldn’t t tolerate Musharraf, but it doesn’t matter, a true leader is always a leader; and I don’t have any doubts he will shine as a president too. God bless Pakistan.

  102. faraz says:
    November 29th, 2007 5:28 pm

    We have not learned anything. It seems like repeatetion of Ayub Khan election. It seems like NS and JI will buycott election, there will be street protest and down the road we will get another marshall law. I wish if all of our political actors can show some elasticity to save country.

  103. RE says:
    November 29th, 2007 6:07 pm

    Once again blaming only Army is very strange on this board. Pakistan has not produced any leader After Quade Azem Mohammad Ali Jinah and Mushraf. They are the only 2 best leaders Pakistan had so far.
    Imran Khan has great intentions but do not know how to bring his point across.
    Army has not only saved country on borders but inside the Government as well.
    Always opposition party knocks the doors of army when they hate other side. People pray as well for Army to take over when they get fed up with civilian Government.
    Now tell me Army Generals are born in Pakistan, better Citizans than Civilian Politicians, More discipline , More education , Better communication , historically they have done better job than civilian leaders. why not Army? Protesting against army ? why not become a good politician/leader of Pakistan? Then Army will have no reason to takeover.

    Pakistani people must keep eyes and ears open and watch out for enemy inside Pakistan physically or via Internet.
    Nuclear powers do not fight wars with rockets and bombs , they are fought with espionage and manipulations. Enemy is doing exactly this to take Pakistan back. Watch out.
    Allah bless Pakistan

  104. RE says:
    November 29th, 2007 8:00 pm

    well said i will ditto what you have said.
    RJ says:
    November 29th, 2007 5:12 pm

    As we all know Pakistani laureates are famous for not respecting their true heroes, but me being an average Joe salutes Musharraf and his legacy. He proved to be the most visionary and charismatic leader Pakistan has ever have. I know due to their religious and ethnic bigotry there are people who couldn

  105. Talawat Bokhari says:
    November 29th, 2007 8:17 pm

    This man, Musharraf, is ruthlessly vindictive and revengeful. Emergency plus nafaz kar ke us ne apne mukhalifin se chun chun kar badle le liey jo uska maqsad tha. Opposition waale hameshah ki tareh lakir peette reh gaey aur ab to woh election se bhi faraar ka soch rahe hein. Behtar to yahi ho ga kih woh is mouqeh ko haath se nah jaane dein aur awaam ko mobilize karein sirf ek nukati agende par aur woh nukta ho adliah ki bahaali ka. Agar adliah bahal nah hooiy to sab kuchh bekaar he kionkih jeise Allama Iqbal ne farmaya he:

    “Jajaale padshaahi ho kih jamhoori tamaashah ho
    Juda ho deen (meaning adl-o-insaf) syaasat se to reh jaati he Changezi”

  106. Asad says:
    November 29th, 2007 8:28 pm

    I am glad I don’t live in California.

  107. Rafay Kashmiri says:
    November 30th, 2007 1:50 am

    Talawat Bokhari,

    @ we shall call it “Mauqa parasti Bezamiri, Iqtidar ki
    Hawiss”, some call it a “maslehat”,
    your self explained sher should be read perhaps like this :

    Jalal-e-Padshai ho ya Jamhoori Tamash ho
    judah ho deen Stalin say, to reh jati hay bus BB

  108. Aqil Sajjad says:
    November 30th, 2007 3:19 am

    The following is from the latest issue of the emergency times.

    The snake may slough its skin, but it DOES NOT lose its venom. The man with a stick still has a job to do – an unfinished job that he can ignore only at his peril. You know what I mean.

    He has changed his skin. No doubt.

    But look at the venom

  109. Rafay Kashmiri says:
    November 30th, 2007 3:31 am

    Aqil Sajjad,

    @the contents of your comment need to change the
    noun, if just replace Mushy with BB, you don’t have to
    change a “word” even a letter !!

    between us Mushy is a snake, is BB a bambi ??

  110. Sohail Agha says:
    November 30th, 2007 3:45 am

    Foreign Media
    Editorial in Washington Post

  111. Rafay Kashmiri says:
    November 30th, 2007 4:07 am

    @ Another progy joined BB

    Awami National Party decides not to boycott the
    elections. left is becoming “vendu”

  112. Ahmad R. Shahid says:
    November 30th, 2007 4:12 am

    Aqil Sajjad:

    It seems like that NS would also boycott the elections.

  113. Ahmad R. Shahid says:
    November 30th, 2007 4:23 am

    Sohail Agha:

    Its an excellent article. But I think even if he doesn’t resign voluntarily now he would have to after elections. Even the new PML(Q) PM won’t be as docile as Shaukat Aziz. No wonder many of Musharraf’s favorites are not getting the tickets like Shaukat Aziz, Dr. Sher Afgan, Wasi Zafar and their likes.

  114. Ahmad R. Shahid says:
    November 30th, 2007 4:47 am
  115. Ahmad R. Shahid says:
    November 30th, 2007 4:59 am
  116. Nayab Khan says:
    November 30th, 2007 5:17 am

    Talawat Bokhari, Aqil Sajjad & other anti-Musharraf ppl

    Those who will bycot the ellections are only cowards and we already know they are loosers!

    Musharraf is a great leader, he has a vision and guts to take steps. Four great leaders Pakistan have had. In order of their performance:
    1. Muhammad Ali Jinnah
    2. Pervaiz Musharraf
    3. Ayub khan
    4. Bhuto
    I found it very touchy when he had tears in his eyes on retirement from army. I know how it feels, specially if you have served in army, dedicated your life to nation, living on so much less salary and then worked so hard over the years to develope pakistan economically. I Salute him.
    He has gone extra mile by letting NS return.

    Musharraf did not desire to take over Pakistan in 1999, power came to him because NS had desire to become khalifa. Reinstating the x-CJ or other judges will not help anything and Majority of the judges in the country have accepted PCO anyway so why do we need x-CJ! Even if we reinstate him now there will be fighting and bad professional attitude between the people who took oath under PCO and the ones who did not.

    Mark my words, ‘If Pakistan can get rid of militancy and extremists, become economically sound, strong & United as a nation and resolve outstanding issues with India, it is only possible under Musharraf’s leadership’.
    ‘Only trators and corrupts will think of getting rid of him’

  117. Aqil Sajjad says:
    November 30th, 2007 5:33 am

    Dear Ahmad Shahid:
    The APDM boycott is a positive step. However, we need to keep the pressure on PPP to do the same.

  118. Ahmad R. Shahid says:
    November 30th, 2007 5:43 am

    Dear Aqil Sajjad:

    Do you really think that BB would boycott the elections given that her chances of winning have improved against the PML(Q), which is in dis-array. And if NS boycotts and BB wins the elctions she can put even more pressure on Musharraf and derobe him even more. I wonder if she would ever want to miss that opportunity!

  119. Nayab Khan says:
    November 30th, 2007 7:29 am

    Aqil Sajjad,
    Brother, Being Musharraf and the real PML (Quaid Group) supporter, I would really like to see Benazir and Nawaz boycotting the ellections. Fact is they are loosers because they cannot become PM for 3rd term by law. As PPP and PMLN are personal properties of BB and NS they will never let their party members take part. Atleast the real PML is a people’s party as they do not rely on one person, their interests are with the people of pakistan not their party leader only!
    Sadly, it will be people like you, comming out to streets and protesting (if PML wins again) and if BB or NS wins then we will all be living on the streets, very soon !!

  120. zia m says:
    November 30th, 2007 8:10 am

    When Mush came to power his popularity was 75% amongst pakistanis right now it is under 20%.Surely he will go down in history as great a leader as Ayub who caused the country to split.
    I agree with Aqil Sajjad and hope BB will soon realise the elections are not going to be fair under Mush’s watch.

  121. Ahmad R. Shahid says:
    November 30th, 2007 8:13 am

    The way Musharraf started crying when he doffed his uniform and when he took oath as the civilian president, it seems like he has started loosing his mental balance, if there ever was any.

  122. Nayab Khan says:
    November 30th, 2007 9:14 am

    hahaha @ Ahmad!
    People feel the same as musharraf did leaving a place after 45 years. If someone doesnt then it means he is not committed to his profession. As he said; ‘Pak Army is the Best in this world’ and it is soo true.
    zia, Musharraf’s decision to fire CJ has been controversial. Other then that the corrupt politicians are continously giving anti-musharraf statements, the extremists and militants do not want him anyway and the Media is being very pesimistic, only focussing on Musharrafs mistakes. He isnt God, he is a human like!

    Why any of the news channels have never made a documentary on NS or BB’s corruption cases?? WHY?

  123. Nayab Khan says:
    November 30th, 2007 9:18 am

    Between, does anyone know where is Imran khan and who is he hidding from now?

  124. faraz says:
    November 30th, 2007 10:13 am

    We need democracy, but you guys really think that leaders like Imran khan, BB and NS are democtaric or they are using democracy as covers.
    Once they will come in power, they will do every thing to curb media freedom and to de-rail juditionary.

    I liked the article of LA times. True depiction of Pakistani politics.
    The only problem with Imran khan is that he is islamist, otherwise we have not tested him before.

  125. faraz says:
    November 30th, 2007 10:54 am

    Interesting. Unless we change our foreign poilicy this civil war will not end, no matter who is ruling. But cost of changing policy can be even higher then this limited civil war.


  126. Saleem says:
    November 30th, 2007 11:31 am

    We as Pakistani should be proud of Mr. President Pervaiz Musharraf; so far he is the most successful person who serve, built, develop Pakistan. His efforts were never appreciated i dont know why, saveral people said sharif will save Pakistan how come people dont see i dont know. he has industries in Saudi Arabia, business in UK, Europe. they do think Benazir will save pakistan; about her family i dont know that people dont know she is already living a leisure life in UAE she invested in saveral business over there like Hotels, towers, buildings etc. they both eaten the right of all poor people in pakistan and they were exile and they are treated now as hero. there is no comparison of Musharraf and Shoukat aziz with them. they both have landlords mentallity, they are selfish.

    Musharraf is in the interest of Pakistan i hope everyone can see this blindly. You can see shoukat aziz one of the best financial personnel in the world, already submitted his request not to be part of election anymore now he wants to serve his country in different area. Did your nawaz & benezir did this. Pakistan doesnot belong to there fore fathers, that each n everytime they will become PM or minister, please try to understand and cast your vote to president musharraf party. otherwise you will again give the country;s command in wrong hands.

  127. MQ says:
    November 30th, 2007 12:25 pm

    Here is what Khalid Masood Khan, a humorist poet (already covered on this blog), had to say on the subject of Musharraf taking off his uniform:

    Desi murghi ka ho anda jaisay zardi kay baghair
    Waisa apna sadar ho ga khaki wardi kay baghair

    P.S: Khan wrote these lines much earlier

  128. Watan Aziz says:
    November 30th, 2007 4:40 pm

    Tribute to courage of

  129. Aamir Ali says:
    December 1st, 2007 1:45 pm

    Musharraf fulfilled the promise he kept to the nation. I dont remember BB or Nawaz keeping any promises.

    I wish Mr Musharraf a successful five more years in which he crushed the terrorists who have been holding a gun to the head of Pakistans.

  130. Rafay Kashmiri says:
    December 1st, 2007 2:06 pm

    @ Some of the comments are asking too much from
    Musharraf, they know, they won’t get what they wish,
    should not exaggerate, their voice is like :

    “Naqqaar Khanay mein tooti ki awaz”

    even BB has start loving him and making
    publicity for him, For us and millions other
    Musharraf must hand over to NAWAZ SHAREEF and
    thats it, we will be convinced only when this happens,
    He can remain President, if every one agrees, but PM
    IS NAWAZ SHAREEF. We will not accept anything less
    than that.

  131. Bangash says:
    December 1st, 2007 2:24 pm

    Pervez Musharraf should be respect for his 46 year service to his country. The anti-musharraf fanatics have never served anything.

  132. Bangash says:
    December 1st, 2007 7:03 pm

    Rafay Kashmiri:

    I think you also belong in the group asking Musharraf for too much. Also begs the question why should Musharraf satisfy you ?

  133. Rafay Kashmiri says:
    December 10th, 2007 7:36 pm


    Musharraf’s biggest enemy, we all agree is, Political ISI,
    but the “coup de grace” was given by PML Q. They ruined
    him from his Cap to the Boots. External, pressure and
    interference is going on since the first visit of our late
    PM Liaquat A Khan to US, who went there without a constitution in the country. Never seen in the History,!!!
    Musharraf should satisfy my demands which are the same
    as anybody’s, i.e. no Army rule, democracy, constitution &
    normal functionning of Institutions by creating if inexistant,
    If you are divided, then forget it, he will win under your
    noses, and no one has the courrage to confront him and his
    Juthaa, he has enourmous power you can just dream.
    He is surrounded by his foes, who are waiting just one
    gaffe from his side just to bust him. Will this chance be availed? NO the climate is just the contrary.
    Now if you put yourselves in his shoes, what would you do??
    and he wants power, a direct power, who ever will be his
    PM, wo’nt be able to sleep.
    available coalition is BB Fazlu PMLQ (risk).
    Fazlu is capable to throw BB in the Arabian sea, she has
    not precautionary cards to play. You must have noticed
    between Mushy and Fazlu no communications, very easy to
    call Fazlu and offer, and Fazlu will say YES, BB has hit
    herself with enormous axe on her feet. She will be thrown out of the milk like an unwanted fly.

  134. I. Q. Butt says:
    December 13th, 2007 12:22 pm

    This winter is different from all other winters in that this is the season of jokes and Pakistan is the only blessed country in the community of two hundred plus where government plays a part of a joker.

    we heard the first joke of this winter when COAS General Pervaiz Musharif delegated the authority of withdrawing emergency rule to President General Musharif.

    Then comes another one this time from General Retired Pervaiz Musharif when he said Cheif Justice tried to block his candidancy “illegally” just like Prime Minister in 1998 sacked then COAS General Pervaiz Musharif “illegally”.

    Last but not least latest joke comes from the office of new COAS when he said 2008 will be celeberated as Army’s year as if since its inception in 1947 people of Pakistan have been living under civilian rule.

    I used the word governemnt in the first sentence because it is Army that calls all shots in Pakistan and its COAS is PM, President, FM, Cheif Justice or whatever he wants to be in the land of pure.

  135. abid says:
    January 25th, 2008 6:46 am

    what a brave men great leader comandar

  136. February 6th, 2008 6:06 am

    We had thought that kiani will be better army chief but he is exactly following mr. musharaf.

  137. MileStone says:
    March 3rd, 2008 1:24 pm

    Musharraf is the best bet for Pakistan for now. This guy has served the country all his life. He actually devoted his whole life for Pakistan. He has been working for 18 hrs a day to make Pakistan better, according to most journalists who have interviewed him as well as according to the people who were around him.

    When he took over, Pakistan was on the Brink of Bankruptcy and if Nawaz Sharif was still sitting at that time, Pakistan would have lost its existense, thanks to NS freezing the foriegn currency accounts. That was a moronic decision, killing the trust of all the investors.

    Musharraf did the hard work of stabilizing the country and now these CHORS (NS and Zardari) have returned to loot the country again.

  138. ASIF ASHFAQ says:
    August 15th, 2008 5:14 am


  139. January 8th, 2010 9:23 am

    Pervez Musharraf
    Is the best leader of Pakistan.

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