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Pakistanis Die. Pakistanis Cry. Yet Again.

Posted on September 13, 2008
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Adil Najam

This was another bad week for Pakistanis. Our closest international ally continued bombing our territory. The self-style custodians of our morality kept up the indiscriminate killing of our citizen. One of our most popular television show anchors incited murder in the name of religion through television.

Once again, this was a week when  Pakistanis died. Pakistanis cried.




The political machinations in the country continue to be a distraction that is keeping many, too many, glued to the soap opera quality twists and turns in the story of Pakistan’s tortured democratic experiment. But the real story in the country remains what it has for the last two years: a divided society which is at war. Niether the self-styled custodians of our internal identity nor our self-styled freinds abroad seem to be helping. Indeed, they keep making things worse for Pakistanis everywhere.

Meanwhile, Pakistanis continue to die. Pakistan continues to cry.

Whether it is pre-US-election posturing or a deeper shift in US policy, it is clear that the American forces have increased their military incursions into Pakistani territory. Beyond the fact that this is clearly a violation of the sovereign territory of a country they claim to be their ‘closest all,’ one cannot even imagine what the strategic logic of these incursions could possibly be since each incursion only strengthens the hand of the extremist elements that are supposedly after, angers Pakistani public opinion, and pushes the Pakistan goevrnment into a tighter corner. There is no real evidence that they have hit any important militant target but innocent Pakistanis, including children, women and even Pakistani soldiers have certainly been killed; 15 killed this Wednesday; 12 more on Friday.

Meanwhile. Pakistanis continue to die. Pakistan continues to cry.

Meanwhile, the merchants of murder and mayhem thrive even more in this condition and continue their war against Pakistan. Indeed, they seem now to be targetting the places of worship themselves. Only today an alleged suicide bomber was caught in Islamabad. On Thursday, 25 died in a grenade attack at a mosque in the Banai area of Dir during taraweeh prayers. Last Saturday, even as Asif Ali Zardari was being elected President, 31 people were killed and another 81 others injured as a suicide bomber blew himself and his vehicle up at the Zangali police post at Kohat Road, Peshawar.

Meanwhile. Pakistanis continue to die. Pakistan continues to cry.

And those who one might have wanted to bring calm and lessons of peace, are themselves engrossed in preaching hate, and in this case murder, to mass audiences. On September 7, Aamir Liaquat Hussain – GEO TV’s popular religious talk-show anchor, former MQM Minister, a holder of multiple fake degrees, and religious instigator extraordinaire – in his GEO TV Show Alim Online presided over a long discussion instigating that those holding Ahmadiyya beliefs were ‘wajib ul qatl’ (i.e., liable to death). The next day, Dr. Abdul Mannan Siddiqi – a 46 year-old Ahmadi in Mirpurkhas and a US-trained cardiologist who had retruned to work in his community – was murdered in broad daylight while working at his local hospital. The next day, Seth Muhammad Yousuf of Nawabshah was also murdered brutally. Whether there is a direct link between the two or not, the preaching of hatred and the practice of hatred both thrive in our land of the pure.

Meanwhile. Pakistanis continue to die. Pakistan continues to cry.

One sits here, shaken by sadness at this waste of human life, and wonders: at how many hands and for how many reasons should Pakistanis die? How long must Pakistan cry?

97 comments posted

  1. ASAD says:
    September 13th, 2008 3:34 pm

    Thoughtful writeup. Whether it is American drones or the mullah’s bombs, at the end it is Pakistanis who die. What a sad state we have reached.

  2. Anwar says:
    September 13th, 2008 3:43 pm

    Pakistan suffered a big brain drain during Bhutto’s time when Ahmedis were killed after they were declared non-muslim… that madness reverberates even now and it may happen again with Shias… What will be left behind is a rotten mess of jehadis . The earlier they are ruthlessly controlled the better it will be for the country.
    But let us not blame the uneducated Talibans only … this guy ALH is a part of “educated” intelligensia… and equally poisnous and deadly.. They too need to be passified along with their bakers…

  3. libertarian says:
    September 13th, 2008 3:50 pm

    American forces have increased their military incursions into Pakistani territory. Beyond the fact that this is clearly a violation of the sovereign territory of a country …

    By almost any definition, it’s actually a declaration of war.

  4. Eidee Man says:
    September 13th, 2008 3:52 pm

    Sad state of affairs. Like I always say, the PPP and the PML might be crooks, but they’re not cold-blooded killers like the MQM.

  5. ASAD says:
    September 13th, 2008 3:57 pm

    Eidee Man, on this one as the link shows Aamir Liaquat was kicked out of MQM quite a while ago.

    Even the MQM cannot stand a joker like him, what I cannot understand is why and what type of people have actually made him such a star.

  6. ASAD says:
    September 13th, 2008 3:59 pm

    By the way, the GEO as well as the News page still has promotion for this idiot and his Alim on Line. He is a cheat, a liar, and a really dangerous fanatic who should not be on the air, let alone promoted like this.

    I really think we should all write to GEO and The News to remove him from there. Really.

  7. September 13th, 2008 3:59 pm

    I think this is time to unite and show them that WE ARE A NATION!

    I request to all blogs and bloggers to come ahead and start campaign against US attacks on Pakistan…

    http://qasimpasta.com/2008/09/pakistani-bloggers-where-are-you-all.html

  8. Farman says:
    September 13th, 2008 4:09 pm

    Bhai, Pasta Sahib, you don’t become a “nation” by saying it, you become by doing it. Look at the numbers, more Muslims are being killed by these so-called Muslims than by anyone else. We have to also control this Mulsim killers who call themselves Muslims. Bhai, when you are weak and divided and ridden by enemies of Pakistan from within Pakistan then the outsiders will always act aggressive to you. First we have to get rid of these mullahs and jahils who are killing Muslims everyday.

  9. Qudsia says:
    September 13th, 2008 4:10 pm

    I agree with Asad. Starting a campaign against Alim Online and other programs that are spreading hatred in the name of religion is very important. I am writing to GEO and NEWS right now.

  10. rohail says:
    September 13th, 2008 5:05 pm

    Well hi This is Rohail

    Offcourse its What the time required the most to expose those people lke Mr, Jahil Online or Mr Amir so called liaqat.

    What we r .. what wer presenting.. what we r doing is in such a way that no one gonna accept if matters comes to preach some one bout the islam, really a shame.

    its time to expose the people lke Mr. Online.

    n Qudsia Geo will nt broadcast or will nt giv such a coverage coz they were itself the partner in that crime.

    Really a grim situation it is .

    Thanks n Regards

  11. DL says:
    September 13th, 2008 5:28 pm

    I watched the AOL program (that aired on Sep. 7th) discussing the above mentioned issue. From what I gather, the host and the speakers said that a person claiming to be a prophet is wajib-ul-qatl; they didn’t mention anything per se about the followers of such a prophet. Am I missing something? Was there any talk about killing Ahmedis?

    Having said that, I know that Pakistan has ample of fanatic muslims who can kill mercilessly in the name of religion, so its best to avoid such sensitive topics on the airwaves.

  12. September 13th, 2008 8:04 pm

    I think we need a fresh leadership, a leadership which is accepted by all. Leadership which can unite the federation to the core. Which can restore the nations confidence in army,the judiciary and the parliment. Leadership which
    can stare into the enemy’s eye and say ‘we will do the things our way’. Defencivly Pakistan is unimaginably strong, people have their utmost belief in their regional and religious parties and some how it is not a bad thing. Having said that, I believe Asif Ali zardari is not the person for this job now.
    For once, when the big players PMLN and PPP goes hand in hand, there was no room left for Musharraf but soon my hope turns to despair. My memory reminds me that there were no foreign incursion around that time. Their dissolution was the darkest day, a reminder that this nation is still plagued by peoples, whose motive is absolute power. Unfortunately, in the short-term we have to rely on the
    parties referred and think for the best. I wish those days could come back once more for a long time this time.

  13. Speak UP says:
    September 13th, 2008 10:31 pm

    Whether the murders of these innocents was caused by Jahil-on-line or not, the fact is that this guy is a liar and a hate spreader. He lied about his degrees, he lies about religion every day, he is the worst religious offender, like the televangelist in the US. AND HE SPREADS HATE. people shoudl really put pressure on GEO and The News to remove this hate mongerer. Why is his Ad displayed on The News? Why has The News not reported on this issue? Just because his cheap hate tactics makes money for the Jang group? WHy is there n editorial condemning his hate speech in The News or Jang? Why? Why?

  14. khurram says:
    September 13th, 2008 10:40 pm

    Crimes do happen in every society and criminals sometimes get the punishment they deserve and sometimes avoid that or get it with lesser degree.
    It is the society which come froward to react to such incidents. The doctor who was killed was serving an interior area which is already deprived of many other things and that was one of the few gems they got. So what he was Ahmedi, he was serving humanity at large.
    A famous Lahore hospital was set-up by Ganga Ram is it?
    Western and non-muslim critics are hell bent on proving islam was spread with the use of force (which no way near reality) and incidents like these add to their arsenal.
    Is this the picture of Islam we want to show the world?
    Ahmedis believe in something and they formed a coomunity to help each other, they are humans like everyone and we know the ones we grow up with in schools and college.

    The most disturbing aspect of this whole scenario is that non of the so called thinkers and leaders and scholars codemned this act, its a deafening silence, no one is alowed to say anything about it.
    Atleast in Indonesia there were people who does’nt want to be defined by these incidents and they rasied their voices against it.

  15. Rasheed says:
    September 13th, 2008 11:05 pm

    Enough of spewing hatred and killings by the mullahs and militants. I think Pakistan will NOT make progress until the Ahmadiyya issue is settled peacefully. It is surprising that on the one hand Pakistanis pride themselves (in practice) in having copied almost everything that is Western, they don’t even pretend to follow them in their good values such as internal human rights standards/internal unity; such as the UN charter and human rights declaration documents, which Pakistan has ratified and to which it is signatory. I know someone will be quick to respond that we don’t follow UN and human rights charters, but Quran and Islamic law. How about following the example of an excellent ruler, Hazrat Umar bin Khattab, who said that even if a dog died of deprivation under his rule, he would consider himself responsible! And here we are calling for the killing of our own benefactors. By mouth we say one thing but in practice, we end up doing things that again and again make us the laughing stock of the world. How about taking a tough stance against real enemies of Islam, who are causing the fattest military to repeatedly make illegal incursions into the land and killing Muslims? (At least I haven’t heard of Ahmadiyyas going around killing Pakistanis or Muslims anywhere.) We keep giving foreign militaries “unstinted support”, like gen. musharraf kept declaring for his forgein friends proudly at the expense of Pakistani sovereignty, freedom and peace. When will help and Divine guidance come to this God-forsaken country of ours?

  16. ERUM says:
    September 13th, 2008 11:12 pm

    This is such a depressing post. Your first paragraph says it all.

    WITH FRIENDS LIKE THESE…… USA and the Mullahs, both of them have no interest in Pakistan or Pakistanis!

  17. ShahidnUSA says:
    September 13th, 2008 11:49 pm

    Spreading hate in the name of religion says it all as well.
    For a while it was not allowed to question on religion.
    When you take things as they are and stop thinking, you become “imitators”
    an not the “innovators”.

  18. Naveed Malik says:
    September 14th, 2008 12:14 am

    “Multiple fake degrees” … lol, so true.

    I briefly met Adil Najam when I was studying at Harvard Kennedy School and he has his head on straight. As an Ahmadi Muslim who is in favor of expanding private sector media, I find myself in a difficult position when confronted with hate mongering on the very station that started out with such a noble purpose. Maybe Pakistan’s not ready for democracy?

  19. Rehman says:
    September 14th, 2008 1:31 am

    GEO is getting the 7 Sept Aalim Online videos deleted from YouTube and AOL. YouTube says “This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by Geo TV Networks

  20. Sadiq says:
    September 14th, 2008 1:51 am

    Hahaha:
    I have copies of his (so called aalam on line) fake degrees …. I can send them to Adil Bhai if he need them …….
    Great intellectual post Adil Bhai, may Allah bless you always.

  21. Sceptic says:
    September 14th, 2008 6:42 am

    I am not sure if it is fair to lump the terrorist mullah and the US together. The Americans waited patiently for seven years while the Pakistani military and the government prevaricated, dither and dawdled from taking any concrete and concerted action from saving Pakistanis from terrorism and stopping the Talibanisation of an agency after an Tribal agency and tehsil after a tehsil in settled areas. The government was happy to let the militants have a free hand to invade a neighbouring sovereign country and inflict death and damage there.

    At best the Pakistani military made cyclical half-hearted attempts to stem the influence of terrorists through armed actions, only to quickly reverse their gains by entering into half-baked agreements-cum-ceasefires to give Islamic militants chance to recover and re-arm. The cat and mouse game had been closely watched by the US and the world generally with a hope that one day these hatcheries and hideouts of terrorists will be eliminated. However, it was not to be so. I am no international law expert but I will not term the US ground infiltrations against terrorist as

  22. MQ says:
    September 14th, 2008 8:20 am

    Adil, I am glad you put up this post.

    First of all, this charlatan — this fraud — who claims to be an Alim, should be in jail. Not on a popular TV show. If nothing else, his show can possibly be banned in the US, Canada, and UK, because there are strict laws in these countries against hate-speech. All these angry commenters should direct their anger at the right places. Perhaps, ATP can provide the addresses of one or two organizations in the US to whom people may complain. Writing to The News and Geo is also a good idea but they would act only if their pockets are hit.

    Ironically, this

  23. Atif Mian says:
    September 14th, 2008 8:52 am

    An audio report by BBC Urdu service, along with an interview of a Geo official can be heard at:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdVTOt4exDM

  24. Atif Mian says:
    September 14th, 2008 8:58 am

    I believe MQM is the only political party that has publicly condemned the killings and Geo’s hate-speech. It has also removed “Dr” Amir Liaqat from MQM membership.

    ARY channel reported on this:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QrmJx4uIa4

  25. meengla says:
    September 14th, 2008 9:04 am

    As @MQ says below, what are we going to do if/when Americans stop their attacks on the TTP and other militants inside Pakistan?
    But I am still trying understand as to why, right around/after the real change in guard in Pakistan–the presidential elections–there are so many blatant and frequent attacks? Is it to destablize the new democratic setup? Does it have anything to do with Kayani’s famous visit to the US aircraft carrier within last few weeks?
    Also, perhaps the biggest failure of Pakistani leadership–most blame goes to Musharraf for this–is to ‘sell’ the war against terrorism to Pakistanis as Pakistan’s own war. We now have a situation where a significant part of Pakistani society thinks that Pakistan is fighting America’s war (which is not true: These Jihadis are zeolous who were groomed to wage wars and nothing else in life).
    Another major failure of Pakistani leadership is not to explain to the nation the economic-dependence upon the West. Some serious discussion at least in the blogspace is needed which explains the cost to Pakistani economy should sanctions be imposed on Pakistan.
    PS. The ‘Jahil Online’ should be banned. I am also going to write to Geo after this. This is no true undiluted freedom of speech in the best of democracies, let alone room for the Jahil Online in a sectarian dynamite of Pakistani society.

  26. Adnan Ahmad says:
    September 14th, 2008 9:34 am

    So much for GEO’s slogan about ‘live and let live’. I am just thinking about the magnitude of Dr. Mannan’s sacrifice. He was a practicing cardiologist in the States who went to Tharparkar to “live there” and build a hospital for the locals. Treated countless people in the last 15 years and this is what he gets in the end: 11 bullets piercing his body in broad daylight while he was seeing his patients.

    Altaf Hussain’s actions and statements are commendable. He has sided with the weakest in this case knowing that there is no political gain in such a stance.

    Yes I ask as well where are Imran Khans, Peoples Party and Muslim League.

  27. Capri says:
    September 14th, 2008 9:40 am

    Companies only take action when it hurts their pocket and their financial interest are threatened.

    So all those if you wish to Geo and the News to do something cancel their subscription

  28. Rafay Kashmiri says:
    September 14th, 2008 10:08 am

    @ Alim-on-Line must not venture into such
    accessive ordinance of eleminating someone,
    but must keep informing the public about the
    suspicious and foreign agents sects, they have
    plenty to disclose. Altaf, the terrorist, has won your
    hearts only now ? so that his “achievements” should
    not be disclosed, those of “telephone” on-line
    murders in thousands !
    a decent answer is worth non cacophoney !

  29. Kasim Mahmood says:
    September 14th, 2008 10:44 am

    It’s a surprise to find how ignorant some of the folks who are replying here could be. One individual claims that there are laws against hate speech in USA. There is freedom of speech here and any one who has studied a little law or lived in United States for some years, understands that it’s not easy to ban speech just because you consider it hate speech. If that was the case, Fox News wouldn’t exist. Many radio talk show hosts talking about blasting Kabbah on their radio shows would be banned, and Danish cartoons would not be published. Meetings in the woods of Idaho where Aryan Nation meets annually to propagate hate against black and browns would be banned. Hate speech is the most difficult to prove here and that’s why it continues with equal opportunity to counter it. In fact, such things are easier to ban in countries like Pakistan and India.

    Another individual fails to understand why Aamir Liaquit is the host of a popular show. Well, he is the one who made that show popular because many people enjoy watching it. Shows are made popular by their hosts, not the other way around. There must be many who don’t care about all his point of views and simply enjoy other informative chats he has on this TV show.

    The biggest surprise was to see some one like Adil Najam imply that the murders were instigated by Aamir Liaquit. That went a bit too far.
    Use your common sense when listening or reading anything. If you are getting brain washed by Aamer Liaquit, Altaf Hussain, Zardari, Nawaz, Imran Khan or any one else for that matter, it’s YOUR fault.

    Only if Pakistanis could learn to improve their emotional IQ, there will be less killings and less crying.

  30. Thinker says:
    September 14th, 2008 12:01 pm

    What the West thinks of the Pakistan Army.

    “Pakistan army pledges to

  31. IRFAN says:
    September 14th, 2008 12:57 pm

    Why do you hate Aamir Liaquat for speaking the truth. It does not matter what his degrees are if what he is saying is the truth.

  32. ShahidnUSA says:
    September 14th, 2008 2:39 pm

    “wajib ul qatl” sort of statement gives me an impression that pakistan may be a very barbaric and evil society.

    I dont care how many times my cousins invite me, I rather go snorkel in hawaii or surf in portugal than have a fear of kidnap,
    mobile snatch or suffer in loadshedding.

    Hope this is all temporary.

  33. Waseem says:
    September 14th, 2008 3:38 pm

    I saw the recording of this show on YouTube a few days ago and clearly Aamir Liaquat has gone too far. He is clearly insulting in tone and inciting anger needlessly. If you don’t agree with someone, and I do not with Ahmedi beliefs, that is your right but not agreeing does not give anyone the right to spread hate and violence like Amir Liaquat is.

    But even beyond this, this guy is a dhoondhi who is really silly but dangerous because people fall for him. Freedom of expression is one thing but nowhere should it become freedom to spread hate. This guy should be off the air anyone, just for being an idiot!

    Also, a guy who lies about his own degrees, since when has he become teh fountain of truth!

  34. amina from the north says:
    September 14th, 2008 4:21 pm

    i am so scared for my country……………..

  35. Asif Sheikh says:
    September 14th, 2008 4:57 pm

    Waseem:

    I’d be interested in seeing the clip you are referring to…I looked at a few youtube videos on the show on ahmedis but I may have skipped the relevant parts since I got really bored with all the theological discussion.

    A link to the clip and the timeframe in which to skip to would be good. Thanks.

  36. Rehman says:
    September 14th, 2008 5:07 pm

    Here is what International Federation of Journalists has to say;

    [Quote]
    The International Federation of Journalists (IFJ) is horrified to learn that two people belonging to a minority religious sect in Pakistan were murdered shortly after a broadcaster on one of the country

  37. Sophia says:
    September 14th, 2008 5:47 pm

    Ahmadi Muslims were among the founders of Pakistan when the Mullahs opposed Qaid-e-Azam. His closeness to the Ahmadiyya jamaat is well documented- after all the first foreign minister of Pakistan was an Ahmadi. Now the Mullahs have gained power, they and their nexus in the media will poison more people against all that is good, decent and fair minded.

  38. September 14th, 2008 5:53 pm

    u want this to stop? how could u? how could I? let it burn, let it destroy.
    when the dust will settle, and it shall settle, a new society will emerge, of neither the obsurantists nor the enlightened moderists, neither nationalists nor racists but humanists whose identity will be a redefinition of the religion we practice to be the religion we have forgotten.

    justice shall prevail in this land one day….

  39. Mansoor says:
    September 14th, 2008 6:24 pm

    I would like to solute the great courage shown by Altaf Husain for taking such a principaled stand on this issue. Shame of Imran Khan and so many other ‘leaders’ like him who always have time to critisize almost everyone and everthing in the world to gain political edge, but are cowards when it comes to standing with the weak and opressed.
    My hats off to Adil bhai for brining it up and not being scared of the Mullahs and Mullah sympathizers.

    My God bless Dr. Mannan’s soul…All he wanted was to serve his country. He could have just stayed in the USA and enjoyed a very lucrative career and a comfortable Mullah free life…but the poor guy wanted to serve the people of his country who he thought would not be served otherwise…
    Bina kardan, aye khoosh rasmay, ba khaak o khoon ghalteedand
    Khuda rehmat kunad een ashiqaan e pak teenat ra
    — (By Mirza Mazhar Jan-e-Janaan- a 16th century Urdu/Persion poet)
    English translation:
    Without crime, o righteous one, you have mixed me in blood and dust
    God, please have mercy on these lovers of clean intention

  40. Takwah says:
    September 14th, 2008 7:09 pm

    Surely Pakistan, through the mayhen and murder that is manifest through Ramdhan, is fulfiling a Divine prophecy:

    ‘There will come a time upon the people when nothing will remain of Islam except its name only and nothing will remain of the Quran except its inscription. Their mosques will be splendidly furnished but destitute of guidance. Their divines (mullahs) will be the worst people under the heaven and strife will issue from and avert to them.”
    (Mishkatul Masabih, Kitabul Ilm)

  41. Insaaniyat says:
    September 14th, 2008 7:20 pm

    At a time when Muslims are perceived as the worst of people in the eyes of the world with acts of mindless destruction and corruption, the Ahmadiyya Muslim community have stood out as model ambassadors for all that is good and pure in Islam. They embody the peaceful practice of Islam and are renowned for their humanitarian work. There is a wave of revulsion around the world at Pakistan’s treatment of Ahmadis which is indicative of how low the country has sunk- and continues to sink into a mire of Talibinisation. It will be Shias and other minorities next on the target list and then women. Wake up Pakistan -there is no priesthood in Islam. Follow Islam-not Mullahism.

  42. readinglord says:
    September 14th, 2008 8:26 pm

    All this mayhem is the natural result of ‘Bhuttoism’ which had subverted the Constitution of Pakistan to make it a ‘Takfeeri Fatwa’ on the ideological side and instigated the oil exporting countries to use oil as a political weapon which hit the people of Pakistan the most economically. And above all their nuclear project has led the people virtually to eat grass placing at the same time the security of Pakistan at peril. May God save Pakistan from fake ‘Jialaas’.

  43. sidhas says:
    September 14th, 2008 9:15 pm

    This is utterly condemnable act. I was shocked by the news of Qadiyani doctor’s death who was serving his community. Whether a person is a kafir or muslim, as long as he/she is a citizen of Pakistan so shall their rights be respected and secured. The law if it had prevailed would have safegaurded the lives of its citizen. Someone the other day sent me a verse of Iqbal with an advice “pewasta rah shajr se umeede bahar rakh”. In times of trials and tribulations we must be more hopeful then at any other times.

    On the second account, the United States is one of the most unfortunate country in our times more so then Pakistan, I should say and they need more help then Pakistan.

    This nation that has around 3 centuries of unbroken chain of successive governments and adheres to democractic tradition is being led by leadership that has squandered its credibility among international community but does not budge for a moment from its insane policies and practices. What a stubbornness and shortsightedness!!!

    Talibans in Suits and Ties.

    Today I solemnely pray for America. May God provide United State of American leadership it deserves and may people of United State do not fall prey to same fundamentalist disease that we have fallen into.

    At least we can teach something to United States advantages of backwardness”

  44. Yaseen Qidwai says:
    September 14th, 2008 10:30 pm

    This writeup raises three very critical issues. The US attacks in Pakistan, the continued attacks on Pakistan by religious extremists, and hate speech on TV. In some ways because all three important issues are raised together it becomes difficult to comment on them. But I think the real contribution of this post is that it does raise these three issues together even though most commentators are talking about them separately. By thinking of them together we begin to realize the real crisis we are in and how much connected these are. Specially, all three are killing Pakistanis and none of these people really care much about Pakistan, only about their crazy ideologies.

  45. Mansoor says:
    September 14th, 2008 11:25 pm

    Thank you for raising these issues. This is another reminder of what a terrible mess Gen. Musharraf has left this country in. All these events are the direct results of all the blunders he made from foreign policy to domestic politics.

  46. Sada says:
    September 15th, 2008 2:07 am

    We cannot open the question of constitutionality of declaring Ahmadies non-muslims here. It was not done dolely by Mullah. Instead it was decision taken by a Constitutional Assembly where all political parties of Pakistan were represented. Prominent leadrs such as Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto, Wali Khan, and so many others were there and matter was discussed thoroughly there and then it was decided. Lead was taken by people like Pirzada and Yahya Bukhtiar as legal team. So please do not destrye facts here by showing that it was a decision undertaken by few Mullahs.

    Rest, saying that Ahmadies are wajib ul Qatal is totally wrong and non-sense. They ahve all right to live along us in Pakistana nd whosoever says this is wrong.

  47. faisal says:
    September 15th, 2008 2:10 am

    Anyone care to know why the West, which used to be a steadfast christiandom, to a secular and atheist society in a matter of few centuries? Well this is it.

    Constant killings in the name of gods and personal beliefs.

  48. Rehman says:
    September 15th, 2008 3:27 am

    Sada, there is a slight problem in assemblies trying to decide on a person or group’s beliefs

  49. Alveena says:
    September 15th, 2008 4:09 am

    Well, I’m not an Ahmedi nor Sunni or Shia only a Muslim without any sect. I’ve few questions in my mind
    1. Can a government declare sombody a non-muslim?
    2. Can anyone can call other sect KAFIR (thanks God, He has not given this authority to human beings)
    3. Is this a responsible attitude of a TV channel?
    4. Is there any reasonable person among our so called leaders to condemn it on huminitarian basis?
    5. Why all mulla’s in Amir Liaqat’s program don’t ask him about his fraud of getting fake degrees and contesting election
    6. Does he has this moral courage to accept it in public?
    7. What if Christian, Jews, hindus and other religion in the world declare muslims as WAJ-i-BUL QATAL
    8. What if even a single devleoped country (USA, CANADA, UK, etc..) asked Muslims to change their religion or leave the country as Ahmedis are supposed to do in Pakistan?
    If anybody has answer to these questions please do tell me

  50. September 15th, 2008 6:54 am

    correction. Ahmadi doctors working for Fadhle Umar Hospitals do not serve the ahmadiyya community. They serve the whole area without descriminating on the basis of belief or cast etc.

  51. Atif Mian says:
    September 15th, 2008 6:59 am

    Apparently Aamir Liaqat repeated his call to kill in the name of blasphemy on September 9th (2 days after his first program)

    “On September 9, the anchor answered a query on a phone-in programme with the comment that those guilty of the alleged sin of blasphemy should be put to death, the statement said.”
    http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=20089\13\story_13-9-2008_pg7_39

  52. Ibrahim says:
    September 15th, 2008 7:02 am

    Here are some answers for Aleevna so that he/she may learn something:

    1. Yes. For example, the ‘government’ of Abu Bakr declared those who refused to pay zakat kuffar and proceeded to deal with them.

    2. Yes, yes, yes. Was Abu Bakr wrong? Was the prophet himself wrong to declare the mushrikoon of Makkah kuffar? Was Umar wrong to declare the one who refused the prophet’s judgement against him a kafir?

    3. Yes, very responsible of the TV channel to know what’s apostasy and what’s the punishment of apostasy in a Muslim country.

    7. Well, actions speak louder than words. All of these kill Muslims. Also, Amir Liaquat didn’t say people of other religions are wajibul qatal (that would be wrong)…he is talking about those who have apostatized from Islam in a Muslim country. Wasn’t this simple point clear enough for you?

    8. That time might be coming, Allahu Alam. Spain did it to Muslims some five hundred years ago. So, it’s not too far fetched to believe it would happen again. And, Muslims in Western countries didn’t apostatized from Christianity and still proceeded to call themselves Christians and preach their religion under the banner of Christianity…all the things that Qadiyanis do. So, you can’t compare the two.

  53. aisha says:
    September 15th, 2008 7:15 am

    @alveena
    well i can answer ur few questions
    1:yes govt can declare somebody non muslim based on the facts
    2:and ahmedis is not a sect of islam
    it is another religion
    coz the key elements which are the base of islam,
    ahmedis dont agree to that.
    other than that i agree to u
    that
    what ever amir liaqat said on tv was definately wrong
    in pakistan every citizen has the ryte to live peacefully
    whether its a minority or majority

    and abt the other issues
    i dont know what the govt is doing allowing america to come and
    kill pakistanis

    i feel so bad for the lawyers the way govt is treating them
    wen the movement of lawyers started i was hopeful that now things
    gonna chnage but now govt is dividing them to make them weak
    which is really hurting
    coz it makes u feel that are things really gonna move towards betterment
    in pakistan or not

  54. Atif Mian says:
    September 15th, 2008 7:42 am

    Dear Ibrahim,
    You might want to look at Islamic history from another angle as well. Just a couple of starting points might be helpful:

    (1) Holy Prophet (sa) NEVER condemned anyone to death on account of apostasy/blasphemy. This, despite the fact that, (i) there are many verses in the Holy Quran informing the prophet about a group of people who had not believed in Islam (i.e. `munafiqeen’), (ii) there are recorded incidents of people openly giving up Islam AFTER having accepted it. And they did it right in front of the prophet, and (iii) no person was killed despite many abusing the prophet and one person openly throwing trash/filth on the prophet.

    (2) Hazrat Abu Bakr did NOT order anyone killed because of their faith or claim to prophet hood. The often-cited incident of Mussailimah was a case of rebellion. He had actively recruited an army in the name of religion to undermine the state of the time, which was run by Hazrat Abu Bakr. I guess you could say that Musailimah was the `Tehrik e Taliban’ of his time. Ironic isn’t it?

  55. jk says:
    September 15th, 2008 8:48 am

    Quite frankly, these are the reasons why there is no progress in Pakistan. At the whim of a mullah, people start killing each other. Why is Pakistan quickly starting to resemble Afghanistan and Zimbabwe? Because people are behaving like bloodthirsty dogma-stricken fanatics who have no respect for life that Allah has given to them and their fellow humans.

    You reap what you sow. If you are happy in the current situation then by all means carry on. Nature has a way of sorting out the mess.

  56. jk says:
    September 15th, 2008 9:01 am

    I don’t know if the Prophet (pbuh) or H. Abu Bakr ordered people to die or not or if they are stories altered over the course of history, but not everything that was relevant back in ~600 AD is relevant today.

    Enough with the brainless killing and debates about which human deserves to die or not. This is clear harassment and people should be ashamed of themselves.

  57. Aamir Ali says:
    September 15th, 2008 9:06 am

    Mansoor:

    If you had actually listened to Mr Musharraf and followed his policies, Pakistan would not be in the mess today. Instead the weaklings known as Pakistanis simply blamed Musharraf for everything, and now that he is gone, they dont know what to do.

  58. MQ says:
    September 15th, 2008 9:33 am

    As expected, the tableeghis on the board have steered the discussion to who is Muslim and who is not. That is not the point. The point is whether you condemn or condone preaching of murder on a TV show. If you don’t, do something about it. For
    “All that is necessary for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing.”

  59. shahzad ahmed says:
    September 15th, 2008 10:51 am

    i have only one question from this “ON THE LINE OF MURDER AALIM”
    THAT CAN YOU PREACH IN YOUR PROGRAMME THAT
    “QATAL KA BADALA QATAL HEY” AND EVERY CITIZEN HAS THE RIGHT TO KILL HIS ENEMY.
    SHAME FOR SUCH INDECENT PEOPLE

  60. Rehman says:
    September 15th, 2008 12:39 pm

    Zahid e tang Nazar ne mujhe Kaafir Jaana
    Aur Kaafir Yeh Samajta Hai Musalmaan Hon Mein

  61. Rasheed says:
    September 15th, 2008 2:23 pm

    A news report claimed that Ashfaq Kiyani had asked for minds to defend the country. Good first step, IMHO. Another report claimed that a drone vanished after the flight of a Pakistani Mirage jet. Seems like someone’s mind began working. This is an excellent way to deter these strikes. Several steps seem to be in order, in order of severity of circumstances:

    1. Initially, it might take simply chasing off the drones and keeping a presence in the Pakistani skies.

    2. Then it might entail threatening withdrawal of logistical support for America’s war of terror against the third world, or actually doing so with or without declaring it. (the drone attacks aren’t declared US actions).

    3. Then expel diplomats from the offending country from Pakistan and recall Haqqani (you’ve got to give this to Prez. Chavez, who did just that in support of Prez. Morales – he’s a man of action, not just words).

    4. A la # 3, strengthen alliances with nearby countries, to deny the US the option of using their territory to launch ground operations against Pakistan. (Prez Zardari might be 10%, but his goodwill gestures toward Prez Karzai are welcome moves). Need closer ties with Iran, Iraq (oil), India (security) and China (new technology).

    5. Later it might require downing of a few intruding drones (no lives threatened there).

    6. Missile capabilities must quickly be enhanced to engulf the Diego Garcia base, and, of course those in Afghanistan and Iraq, and possibly Tel Aviv (deterrence).

    7. Meanwhile acquire better anti-aircraft defense equipment from China or Russia (will likely be needed soon if the situation worsens and McCain wins). Russian technology might be inferior, but one F117A stealth fighter was downed by Serbians, a feat, IMHO.

    8. Proxy

    America doesn’t seem to be the sakka of anyone, no matter how much they call one an ally. So to think that all these drone flights are simply to locate the Taliban may be an oversimplification. They may also be chalking out plans/gathering intelligence about the terrain for a full-fledged attack on Pakistan to take out Kahuta and other key sites. They are venturing deeper and deeper and are maintaining a longer and longer presence in Pakistan. The US might not attack Pakistan itself, but I don’t think any of you reading would believe that the intelligence being gathered by drones will not be shared with Israel (two birds in each flight). To think that Israel doesn’t think a lot about Pakistan’s declaration of nuclear capability is foolhardy.

    Bottomline is that America is taking serious Panga with Pakistan and it’s up to Pakistan to tread with caution on the one hand to avoid full-blown conflict, but to be prepared for the worst if worst comes to worst. Or remain blissfully ignorant.

  62. AbuMaleeha says:
    September 15th, 2008 4:03 pm

    Amir Liaquat is a nut case and should be, nah, cant wish for anyone to die…but he is responsible….hated him from day one, the way he smiles….sheesh!

    Now then, whats the fault of a person born into a Ahmadi family, of which he had no control over? Is he somehow supposed to become sunni?
    He isnt an apostate so why be killed for it, he was born in to it. If they doesnt preach their views or proselytize leave them alone. Should have killed the guy who started it all and his cronies…but second and third generation….no way.
    Preach to thim and pray for them and show them the books that Ghulam Ahmed wrote. Prophecies in punjabi and english..grammatical errors. First a mahdi, then Maseeh then a Prophet….the guy wasnt stable…

  63. Rambler says:
    September 15th, 2008 5:03 pm

    Very lively indeed! This is the motto of Geo, the infamous TV network of Pakistan. This 4 word phrase serves as an emblem of tolerance, peace and harmony. I have always commended this motto, especially since Pakistani society has developed into one of the most intolerant societies of the world. I thought that this breath of fresh air in the form of Geo and other channels would revitalize the weary souls of Pakistan. I had thought that the days of monotonous Pakistan Television are over; we will now see the world from a different angle by taking off the specs of prejudice and hatred. I had so many hopes on Geo being the pioneer of free media in Pakistan.

    And then alim online with his hateful approach and instant killing of two Ahmadis woke me up.

    Is this what “Geo aur Jeenay Do” means? Is that what “Live and let live” stands for?

    If that’s what freedom of the media is then I must admit that we were better off before Geo. If Geo TV actually believes in the concept of “live and let live”, they will not only replace the host of Alim online for his hateful remarks against a peaceful and law-abiding community of Pakistan but also condemn the killing of two innocent Ahmadis.

  64. Ibrahim says:
    September 15th, 2008 6:47 pm

    AbuMaleeha, you are completely right, no doubt! I don’t like this fake scholar Amir Liaquat either, but he spoke the truth in this case. Yes, the suggestion is not about those who are born as Qadiyanis, but they aren’t allowed to preach their ideology in a Muslim country. Just as people are asking for the removal for Amir Liaquat because he overstep the bounds of freedom of speech, in their minds, then same people should also accept Islam’s rule of restricting others from preaching their ideologies in a Muslim country. This only goes to show that there is no such thing as freedom of speech….speech is always limited; the limit differs from region to region and religion to religion.

    Mian sahib, selective memory doesn’t help in such discussions. Those who left Islam during the time of Rasoolullah (saw) used to run away from Medinah and go back to their (non-Muslim) tribes. I will leave it to your intelligence to figure out why they would leave Medinah. As for the munafiqoon of Medinah, please go over your argument to see if it makes sense. It’s very stupid. Since they were munafiqoon, i.e. they didn’t actually accept Islam, would it be relevant in this discussion about punishment for murtaddeen (apostates)?

    If you’re talking about the munafiqoon for their blasphemy, then know that sahabah wanted to do away with the munafiqoon, for playing with the religion/Muslim (not because they were apostates), but out of maslahat Rasoolullah (saw) didn’t allow them; not that he disagreed with them. Please read some history and then talk. Please, we beg of you!

    Additionally, don’t mix up the timeline. When the Prophet was being abused and trash was being thrown at him, this was pre-hijrah; when Musilm were few and far between. And, a Muslim society had not been formed, which was eventually established in Medinah. I challenge you to bring one event where the Prophet or any aspect of this religion was mocked after hijrah and that person stayed in Medinah and escaped punishment.

    What you say about Abu Bakr, Mian, is a lie; a complete lie. Not only did he consider those who didn’t pay zakat kuffar, he considered all those fake prophets and their supporters kuffar. It’s a very well known event in Muslim history as to how Abu Bakr dealt with the fitnah of ridda (apostosy) after Rasoolullah (saw)’s death. You either don’t know what you are talking about or you lied through your teeth.

    May Allah humiliate the liars!

  65. A. Jadoon says:
    September 15th, 2008 6:54 pm

    Mr. Ibrahim, so if a non-Muslim cannot preach in a Muslim country, then logically I assume that you would want Muslims not to preach in non-Muslim countries (for you to claim otherwise would be your arguing that Islam is hypocritical, and I certainly do not think it is, even if you might believe that).

    By the way, do you ever ‘preach’ to non-Muslims living in a non-Muslim country? Shouldn’t they be killing you for that?

  66. Riaz Haq says:
    September 15th, 2008 7:12 pm

    Sadly, what is happening in Pakistan is not unique. The news of intolerance, abuse and hate crimes, continue to pour out of various parts of South Asia and the Muslim world. Unfortunately, the threats are issued and crimes committed in the name of religion or tradition or ethnicity. What gets reported is probably only the tip of the iceberg. To learn more, please read: http://www.riazhaq.com/2008/09/agents-of-intolerance.html

  67. Ayesha says:
    September 16th, 2008 2:12 am

    I am greatful that you make this point. In all these things it is Pakistanis dying. If we Pakistanis keep killing other Pakistanis so easily then no outsider will repsect us and they will do the same, just like they are doing.

  68. D_a_n says:
    September 16th, 2008 2:53 am

    Amir Liaqat Repluses me on a daily basis…and I remember running around my apartment getting things ready for Iftar and had Geo on the TV (i just do it for the Iftar Dua and Azan on TV as I live abroad) and his Ahmedi discussion was on…

    I thought to myself that what a stupid topic to waste an evening of Ramazan on…..instead of talking about how to improve as a Momin during this holy month…he’s talking pure politics and causing divisions…which we need like a hole in the head…and as a matter of fact…the quality of questions on his show is absolutely pathetic….90% of the questions are asinine and have nothing to do with Deen….which again shows the state of mind of his audience….but that is another issue….

    This man is an utter waste of space and the less said about his loony brother the better…am not a fan of the MQM but excellent step by them to expel this man…I wont call him an idiot because he is not…this Liaqat is a very calculating man who is proabably in his own mind trying to create constituency for himself among a certain type of folks….i might be wrong but that sure seems the case…

    and again uter Shame on Geo for allowing such Garbage on the air…it’s times like these that I wish they were still Banned….this channel DELIBERATELY distorts and over simplifies nation and international issues…produces absolute junk journalism…Mis informs people… and is responsible for giving us hacks like Shahid Masood and Hamid Mir (who thinks that suicide bombers are doing what they do because of a lack of electricity and health care!!!!)…this channel routely drags every issue down to the populist level and dumbing us down even further with its comemntary and reporting..and is a Desi Version of Fox news…
    Down with Amir Liaqat…and The Hell with Geo for STILL allowing Amir Liaqat on TV…

    I am not an Ahmadi but I do believe that they have every right to life as a citizen of Pakistan and are NOT wajib ul Qatl….Allah will judge them like he will the rest of us..

    and last but not least…@ Ibrahim:

    the more you comment on this forum the more I am convinced that you have staryed so far from compassion and humanity that you probably dont even recognise your own Deen anymore…
    plus please stop making stuff up…some of us here have read a book of two..which is more than I can say for you Sir…

  69. Alveena says:
    September 16th, 2008 4:41 am

    @ D_a_n, well said, i totally agree with you
    @Abubakar–needs to clarify his knowledge about Islam. Hazrat Mohammad(PBUH) was REHMATUL-LIL-AALAMEEN, how come he can ask for killing inoccent people on the basis of their believes? He was not REHMAT only for muslim but for the whole universe.
    What he did with Taif people, Allah Asked Mohammed to destroy them? but he asked for mercy for them.
    Did you forget one Jew woman used to through trash on him and one day she didn’t and Hazrat Mohammad asked some body to check if she is sick or having another problem.
    This was his teachings and SUNNAT.
    Ibrahim sb can you prove this anywhere from Quran, if anybody is WAJI-BUL-QATAL?
    Image of Islam is ruined due to this mentality where in fact Islam is religion of peace.

  70. Alveena says:
    September 16th, 2008 4:47 am

    @Ayesha– Basic elements of Islam are Kalma, Namaz, Roza, Haj and Zakat.
    I’ve been working with ahmedis and i think they believe in all and they are Kalma Go, they say same Kalma as we do and same Quran as we have.
    In one of the battles in Islamic History Hazarat Ali was about to kill a person and he narrated Kalma to save his life but even then he killed him and when Hazrat Mohammad came to know he was so worried and said Ali, how i will asked God for your forgiveness

  71. MHQ says:
    September 16th, 2008 8:00 am

    @Ibrahim So you are saying that the highest moral standards of patience, love and tolerance shown by the Holy Prophet (PBUH) in the pre-hijrah era were just because muslims were few and far between. Otherwise the Holy Prophet (PBUH) would have killed the old lady that threw trash on him. He would have attacked and killed the people of Taif that threw stones on him and caused him bleed so much that his shoes were filled with blood??? And if The Holy Prophet (PBUH) ever forgave any non-muslim or hypocrate, it was maslehat??? What are you saying man!! The Holy Prophet (PBUH) forgave them not because Muslims were few and far between; because he was Rehmatal lil Aalameen

  72. JayJay says:
    September 16th, 2008 9:04 am

    Nobody makes a better case against Islam that it is a religion of hate, intolerance and violence than Ibrahim does at this forum. He has done not once but a number of times, employing his full command of Islamic history and literature.

    Well, I somehow find myself agreeing to his version of early Islamic history as there are documented cases of assassinations of the Prophet

  73. RASHID says:
    September 17th, 2008 1:13 am

    These taliban killers have given the Americans an excuse to attack Pakistan and press their power. God curse the taliban and extremists who are destroying Pakistan from the inside and also given outsiders an excuse to hurt Pakistan.

  74. Takwah says:
    September 17th, 2008 7:54 am

    If only Geo and Liaquat Hussain espoused your motto: Bol, magar piyar say, or indeed the Ahmadiyya Muslim motto: Love for All, Hatred for None, we would not be in predicament.

  75. Hussain says:
    September 18th, 2008 10:13 am

    I cannot understand why the Americans are doing this. They have totally failed to hit any real targets and just end up killing innocents and spoiling their own image and making the terrorists case stronger for the public. This is just bad strategy for their part.

  76. Kasim Mahmood says:
    September 18th, 2008 4:43 pm

    Does any one know when Ahmedis were labeled as non-Muslims in Pakistan ? Was it during Zia’s regime or ZA Bhutto’s era ? Just curious.

  77. Ordinary Girl says:
    September 18th, 2008 6:37 pm

    Kasim Mahmood — That was in Bhutto’s era.

  78. Rizwan Nasar says:
    September 19th, 2008 2:50 am

    What has surprised me is why the Pakistani Government would NOT launch an official protest with the United Nations against violation of its sovereign territory. Is it being done by their blessings? I wonder!

    It is sad to see in Quaid

  79. waqi ahmed says:
    September 19th, 2008 10:33 am

    On the evening of 7th September 2008, Mr. Amir Liaquat of Geo TV, in his program

  80. Hassan Abbass says:
    September 20th, 2008 4:04 pm

    I think we should keep a daily tally of just how many innocent Pakistanis are being killed in teh name of religion every day. What a sad day today is.

  81. Rahman Ali says:
    September 20th, 2008 4:11 pm

    Today’s bomb in Islamabad again shows that it is the bechara Pakistani who dies at the hands of everyone. Americans or the Mullahs. Both kill Pakistanis.

  82. Azam says:
    September 21st, 2008 12:18 am

    Sad part is that Musharraf said Pakistan first but kept Pakistanis last. This is what he gave us. SHame on him.

  83. Ahmed says:
    September 21st, 2008 12:46 am

    MUSLIMS WHO KILL MUSLIMS CANNOT BE MUSLIMS!

  84. S.A.Q says:
    September 21st, 2008 1:00 am

    I agree with Ahmed. Anyone who advocates and carries out Murder of anyone in the muslims in teh name of Islam canot really be a muslim. That goes for the Taliban and also for this joker called Aamir Liaquat Ali.

  85. Yasin says:
    September 21st, 2008 4:11 am

    The govt has to find a way to mobilize public opinion against these barbaric killers.

  86. Ismat Khan says:
    September 21st, 2008 11:35 am

    Very moving writeup. You are right, everywhere you see it is Pakistanis who die for one ideology or the other. Down with all ideologies. Mullahs, America, Amir Liaquat, please let us live!

  87. TARIQ says:
    September 21st, 2008 11:15 pm

    All Pakistanis need to unite against all killers of Pakistanis

  88. Rehman says:
    September 22nd, 2008 2:00 am

    Register your protest with Pakistan Federal Union of Journalists (PFUJ);

    http://tinyurl.com/3wcpx9

  89. Rehman says:
    September 29th, 2008 3:21 pm

    Threat to the state
    By Ayesha Siddiqa

    This is not just about the murder of two people following a different set of religious beliefs, it also depicts the level of intolerance in society, its attitude towards whoever is considered as the

  90. Obaid says:
    February 13th, 2009 2:57 pm

    5 Ahmadis detained without proof of blasphemy: HRCP

    The HRCP team found that elements belonging to banned extremist organisations, and that a relative of a member of National Assembly (MNA) from the area had pressured the police to register a case.

  91. Obaid says:
    February 18th, 2009 5:38 am

  92. Obaid says:
    July 31st, 2009 6:35 am

    This news is being kept well under wrap in Pakistan…reported as being fight between two “groups”,..no mention of one sided attack on Christians…

    http://www.pakistanchristianpost.com/headlinenewsd.php?hnewsid=1295

  93. Junaid says:
    August 1st, 2009 11:28 am

    ISLAMABAD (Reuters) – Six Christians, including four women, were burned alive in clashes with majority Muslims in a town in central Pakistan on Saturday, officials said.

    and

    Rana Sanaullah, provincial minister for law, who is also responsible for security matters of Punjab, condemned the attack and said an inquiry had been ordered.

    However, he said, a preliminary investigation showed there was no desecration of the Koran. “It was just a rumor which was exploited by anti-state elements to create chaos,” he said.

    http://uk.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE5701BH20090801

    Six Christians burnt alive for no reason except big0try of the perpetrators.

  94. Rizwan Khan says:
    August 2nd, 2009 1:41 am

    “However, he said, a preliminary investigation showed there was no desecration of the Koran.

  95. Bilal says:
    September 8th, 2009 2:59 am

    A very good article indeed.

    it’s a tragedy that in a country which came into being on the base of religion, we find it hard to tolerate the minorities.

    The fake degree holder & a Pretender Presenter, belonged to MQM but after his program which resulted in killing of Ahmadis, he was expelled from MQM by Iltaf Hussain.

    People may say whatever about iltaf Hussain but his dicision in this case is spot on. There was no need for such program when the country is already burning from inside, these are times for unity and tolerance but some people just cannot hold thier will to create disturbance wather it’s political or religious.

    Last night I caught a protest in multan yestserday carrying banners that govt. must stop support for Ahmadis, I ask these mullas, how can the govt. support ahmadis when it was the govt. itself who declared them non-muslims.

    What Govt support? read below, these are current events,

    ********************************************************
    Rana Ata-ul-Karim fell to assassins bullets at his home on August 6, 2009 at about 10 a.m. He was 36. He left behind his widow, a son aged 9 and two daughters 4 and 3 years old.

    Rana Karim was a well-known Ahmadi in the neighborhood. He had a master’s degree in agriculture and was in the business of production and distribution of poultry feeds and medicines. On the day of the incident when he went out, three armed men entered his house, shut his family in one room, and waited for his return. His wife pleaded the intruders to take away whatever they wanted, but they took nothing except life. As soon as Rana Karim entered his home, they fired at him. He was hit thrice. One bullet hit his neck and damaged his windpipe, the other hit close to his ear while the third hit low and damaged his kidney. He died on the spot.

    ********************************************************
    Approximately 300 Policemen and Elite Force commandos raided Ahmadiyya houses on 10th August, 2009 to commit the shameless act of Official Blasphemy having No Fear of Allah, the Almighty, Lathianwala, Faisalabad.

    Since 1952 the Kalima was on the mosque proclaiming the Oneness of God and Truthfulness of the Holy Prophet Muhammad (saw), yet his name is being chipped off using hammers.

    The atrocities did not end at this. 32 Ahmadi Muslims of this village were booked for blasphemy of Holy Quran and Holy Prophet (saw). This was all pre-planned with the support of Pakistani authorities.
    *********************************************************

    what ismailis are doing is far worst than what Ahmadis are accused of. have you ever seen an ahmadi burning tyres or smashing windows? yet they by numbers each day just because they carry a faith which other do not agree with.

    A friend said the other day that I support Ahmadis and have soft feelings for them and my answer was the same,

    No matter what, as a muslim we must set example for the minorities and not the other way around, cause if killing of minorities or non-muslim was allowed, Prophet (PBUH) must have done it himself when he entered Mekkah, instead he forgive.

    Live and let live, before you are anything, you are a human, respect the humanity first.

  96. September 8th, 2009 6:33 am

    7th of September is being celebrated among the bigoted zealots and right wing nutters as the day of decision. I suggest that all true Pakistanis commemorate this day as a day of shame for democracy.

  97. Obaid says:
    September 13th, 2009 3:07 am

    Interesting article;

    Islam Inc. Copyright © 2009

    Copyright gives the author of an original work exclusive right for a certain time period in relation to that work, including its publication, distribution and adaptation, after which time the work is said to enter the public domain.

    Readers must be surprised to see the implementation of copyright concept in the religion of truth revealed by Allah that actually has no connection with materialism but it’s a fact, in Pakistan Islam has been perceived as a corporation that exist as a product of corporate law (Pakistan’s Constitution), and its rules balance the interests of the management (Religious Fanatics) who solely operate the Islamic corporation in Pakistan. Creditors(Islamic sects) who loan its goods, services; shareholders (Madarsa Owners) that invest their capital (Madarsah Education) and the employees (Jihadi Brigade) who contribute their labor to achieve and safeguard vested interests of Islam Inc.

    http://pakistandesk.com/?p=2651



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