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Hatemongers Attack Pakistan Again: Ahmedi Mosque Gunned. 70+ Killed.

Posted on May 28, 2010
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Adil Najam and Owais Mughal

The forces of hate are attacking Pakistan again.

This time targeting Ahmadi worshipers in two separate locations in Lahore, killing over 70 people, injuring more than 100, taking others hostage, and spreading their terrorizing message of hate in society.

There can be nothing but rage and loathing for those who kill for the pleasure of killing. Who kill for the purpose of spreading terror and mayhem. Who kill to hide their own inadequacies of faith. Who breed in the fires of hate and kill as an expression of hate. These are the enemies of Pakistan. The enemies of the very religion they think they are safeguarding with venomous hate. They are, indeed, the enemies of humanity.

Ultimately, the person who is killed is not a Pakistani or Indian or American or even Muslim or Jew or Christian or even Barelvi or Ahmadi or Wahabi. Ultimately, the person killed is just another human. And the person who kills, is not. Because in the very act of killing for hate he has stripped himself of that distinction, of his own humanity.

Words escape us, once again. What can we say that we did not say about Karachi, about Quetta, about Swat, about Peshawar, about Islamabad, about Kohat – indeed about Lahore itself, again and again.

What can one add except to wipe the tears from ones eyes, to say a silent prayer – a silent prayer that society’s silence over these atrocities may break. Because when the good amongst us go silent, then only the hate of the bad resounds.



Here are the details as reported by Dawn:

Gunmen attacked worshippers from the Ahmadi community in two worship places of Lahore on Friday, taking hostages and killing at least 70 people, officials said. The gunmen opened fire shortly after Friday prayers and threw what could have been grenades at two Ahmadi worship places in residential neighbourhoods in Pakistan’s cultural capital.

Sajjad Bhutta, deputy commissioner of Lahore, said at least 70 people had been killed in the twin attacks on worship places in Garhi Shahu and Model Town. A total of 78 were injured. The death toll at Garhi Shahu was higher, Bhutta said, because three attackers blew themselves up with suicide vests packed with explosives when police tried to enter the building. Police are still searching the area as two attackers were still at large.

Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani strongly condemned the attacks, expressing “deep sorrow and grief over the loss of precious lives”. Punjab Chief Minister Shahbaz Sharif said the incidents would generate greater resolve to combat extremism. “It’s a reminder to the nation that Pakistan will achieve its destiny only after we get rid of the worst type of extremism and fundamentalism,” he told a news conference. “The entire nation will fight this evil.” He said one attacker had been arrested. Police in Model Town confirmed one gunmen had been arrested and another killed.

There was no immediate claim of responsibility, but suspicion quickly fell on the Pakistani Taliban. “It’s too early to say who is behind these attacks,” said a Lahore-based security official. “But my guess is that like most other attacks, there would be some link to the Taliban or their associated militants.” Punjab’s Law Minister Rana Sanaullah said the arrested attacker was a teenage Pashtun. This, he said, indicated a link to the tribal area of Waziristan and strongly hinted at a Taliban link.

“The prayer leader was giving a sermon when we heard firing and blasts. Everybody stood up and then two gunmen barged into the place of worship and sprayed bullets,” Fateh Sharif, a 19-year-old student, told Reuters from Model Town. “They had long beards. They were carrying rucksacks.” Bhutta said a suicide vest laden with explosives was recovered from the Model Town worship place, where some attackers escaped. One fired at a television van before the area was made safe. “He was young, clean-shaven. He sprayed bullets at our van while fleeing the scene,” Rabia Mehmood, a reporter told Reuters.

ATTACKS LAUNCHED AFTER PRAYERS

Witnesses said the assaults were launched shortly after prayers. “I saw some gunmen run towards the Ahmadis’ place of worship and then I heard blasts and gunfire,” Mohammad Nawaz, a resident, told Reuters. The Human Rights Commission of Pakistan (HRCP) said it had warned of threats against the Ahmadi community centre in Lahore for more than a year and demanded “foolproof security and protection” from the government. It expressed concern over “the increasing sectarian dimension” of militancy in Pakistan, which it called “a big security threat to the entire society”.

Friday’s shootings were the worst attacks in Pakistan since March 12 suicide attacks seconds apart killed 57 people in Lahore while targeting the Pakistani military. Nine attacks have now killed more than 220 people in Lahore over the past year, a historical city, playground for the elite and home to many top brass in Pakistan military and intelligence establishment.

Another sad day for Pakistan. Another day when hatred overwhelms tolerance. Another day when we will cry. But a day when we should really be thinking. And thinking hard – and not just about those who will commit such evil, but about ourselves and about our having tolerated a society which would tolerate such hatred.

This poem by Ahmad Faraz, which we have used a few times before, was written for a different context. But it was written for the same context. Do please listen. Do please think:

Aashna hath he aksar mairi janab lapkay
Mairay seenay meiN sada appna he khanjar utra

156 Comments on “Hatemongers Attack Pakistan Again: Ahmedi Mosque Gunned. 70+ Killed.”

  1. Atif says:
    May 28th, 2010 11:00 am

    Please live and let live. Stop trying to tarnish the beautiful and peaceful message of Islam. Stop being arrogant enough to define who is a Muslim and who is not.

  2. Aamir Ali says:
    May 28th, 2010 11:04 am

    This mullahism and extremism began in the Punjab in the 1970′s, was greatly boosted by Zia ul Haq, travelled all the way to Afghanistan and after laying waste to that land, and the northwest of Pakistan has now come back to the Punjab.

    Perhaps Rana Sanaullah and other PML-N will now stop campaigning for votes by Sipah-e-Sahaba but I wouldn’t hold my breath. North Waziristan, Orakzai and Punjab are the remaining havens in Pakistan where terrorists are congregating. The anti-Pakistan types are in FATA, and the sectarian types are in Punjab.

  3. smssr84 says:
    May 28th, 2010 11:20 am

    Inna lillahi wa inna illaihi raji’un!

    O Allah! We make You a shield against enemies and we take refuge in You from their evils.” (Abu Dawood)

    Allah is with us….. and we believe in the power of dua & patience…. and we will continue to do that!

  4. Nadia Latif says:
    May 28th, 2010 11:28 am

    And yet the govt. of Punjab claims that there is no influence of extremist in southern Punjab. The truth is that not only Punjab is heavily influenced by extremists after Khyber-pukhtoonkhuwa but it is serving as a safest hide-out for them because Army will never do any operation against them here. This attack looks very similar to those in Manawan and GHQ. Once again we will be in headlines in all over the world for this shameful and unislamic act. May Allah save those who are still trapped there (Ameen).

  5. Suleman says:
    May 28th, 2010 11:34 am

    Even when scores of Ahmadi’s are killed and systematic persecution and discrimination is continued as a nationwide policy (written into the constitution, no less), Pakistani news sources still disseminate a subtle bias against Ahmadi’s.

    It’s all in the language. Using “place of worship” or “ibadat khana” instead of “mosque”, using “Qadiani” instead of “Ahmadi”, etc. Fairly progressive Pakistani news sources like Dawn are actively using such language.

    It doesn’t help that Geo TV, a station which has promoted people who actively spread hate and order violence against Ahmadi’s, is being used as a news affiliate for American and Canadian television news. Nor does it help that this is just the latest in a string of violence against Ahmadi Muslims in Pakistan and elsewhere. It just happens that this is even more violent than previous movements.

    If the people of Pakistan really want to prove they are for real constitutional governance and for real democracy, they’ll protest for repeal of the Blasphemy Law, and actively seek out ways to stop the systematic discrimination of Pakistan’s sectarian minorities.

  6. Nostalgic says:
    May 28th, 2010 11:42 am

    According to Yasser Latif Hamdani on Pak Tea House, one of the dead is the younger brother of Sir Zafrarulla Khan…

    I’m surprised the resident apologists of the TTP haven’t made their way to this thread yet, with their ifs and buts…

    In other news, Rana Sanaullah “strongly hinted” at a TTP link… I suppose after campaigning with the SSP, that is the best that spineless man can do… Shahbaz Sharif should also take the rose-tinted glasses off and see that his “Spare Punjab” appeals aren’t working…

  7. Aziz says:
    May 28th, 2010 12:06 pm

    O Allah, please give these people some intelligence so they can choose between friends and foe.

  8. Lutf says:
    May 28th, 2010 12:10 pm

    It is when terrorists came for the kill that media woke up to tell the world that two “worship places” have been targetted. No one had the courage to say that these were namazis, offering their Friday prayers in mosques. Some months ago, many “peaceful” residents of model town were threatning violence if Ahmadis were allowed to offer their eid prayers in the local ground. There were threats from surrounding sectarian clerics which resulted in high security which probably averted a bigger massacre.

    A mullah was heard giving a statement that more investigations are needed as Ahmadis have differences among themselves and it is likely that this incident had something to do with that. Shaikh Rashid warned that there is a large international qadiani network which will exploit these attacks in international media.

    Chief minister of Pubjab, a patron of sunni extremism in the province, has condemned the attacks. That will help khadim sahib!

    Only last year, under the patronage of punjab government, a large “khatme nabuwwat” jalsa took place in Lahore, attracting clerics from all schools of thought. All condemning the “qadianis” and encouraging bigotry against them.

    Almost every month an Ahmadi is being murdered in Pakistan. These target killings go unreported in media, because they will not evoke a response in the public.

    Now that Taliban/Al-Qaeda have committed large scale muder accompanied by blasts and media coverage, how many Pakistanis will think about the persecution Ahmadis have to face in their homeland? How many will pause for a second to spare a thought for those innocent “namazis” who were just offering their “Friday prayers”, in a “Mosque”? How many Pakistanis will wonder why they can not be called Namazis, their worship places can not be called Mosques and their dead can not even be referred to as “Jan Bahaq” if not Shaheed? (Media has used the word Halak shuda so far)…

  9. Maria says:
    May 28th, 2010 12:15 pm

    What is heart wrenching about this episode is the response from some Pakistanis I have seen on various news channels and websites “commending” whomsoever did this, congratulating them. This is what happens when we let uneducated mullahs dictate Islam and rules of society and humanity for us, and then provide them protection of the constitution and law. I still fail to comprehend why we behave as if Islam is some kind of property (‘jaidaad’) left to us by our ancestors and now we can decide what to do with it, whom to include and exclude and how to dispose of it as well…

    How can we expect God’s mercy and protection for ourselves when we are low enough to rejoice in misery of someone else, someone innocent.

  10. sidhas says:
    May 28th, 2010 12:26 pm

    zulm hai yaar

  11. Muhammed Umer Farooq says:
    May 28th, 2010 12:39 pm

    The religion of peace!

  12. ahmad waleed says:
    May 28th, 2010 12:39 pm

    its really sad that how these bunch of terroist are potraying the wrong message of Islam to the world. How can a muslim kill innocent human beings

    Prophet (PBUH) once said “The best among people is one who is a source of benefit to the people”
    how they expect selves to be the best they are spreading “Fisaad”

    MAY ALLAH BELSS PAKISTAN

  13. Haroon says:
    May 28th, 2010 12:53 pm

    Thank you for writing this very powerful post and very heartfelt.

    Specially this part:

    “Ultimately, the person who is killed is not a Pakistani or Indian or American or even Muslim or Jew or Christian or even Barelvi or Ahmedi or Wahabi. Ultimately, the person killed is just another human. And the person who kills, is not. Because in the very act of killing for hate he has stripped himself of that distinction, of his own humanity.”

  14. Alveena says:
    May 28th, 2010 12:55 pm

    Thanks to Adil Najam and Owais Mughal for using word Ahmedi Mosque in title. I hope and pray there will be no Fatwa against you.
    So this brutal act has been done by “Kalma Go Muslims” against non-violent “Non-Muslims” as per constitution of Pakistan.
    Is there anybody bold enough to declare these Taliban as non muslims??? Actually this hatred has created a mini Talib inside almost every Pakistani Muslim where state decides who is muslim and who is not.
    God help us all and God bless “Islamic Republic of Pakstan”

  15. Shahid says:
    May 28th, 2010 1:01 pm

    It is all the conspiracy of India, Isreal and USA to malign the pious, holy and religious minded peace loving young people who did what they belived was right.

  16. Ghiasuddin says:
    May 28th, 2010 1:03 pm

    Excellent post.
    As you said, this is a human tragedy and a loss of humanity. hatred must always be condemned.
    Inna Lillah Wa Inna Ilaihi Rajeoon

  17. Kamal says:
    May 28th, 2010 1:10 pm

    The Taliban and other groups have been losing support among the people of Pakistan recently because of their attacks. This is a cheap attempt by them to play the ‘Ahmedi’ card to regain some of that support, just like the FB card they played. But this will not succeed. Whatever my views on Ahmedis, as a Muslim I cannot and will not every support these murderers who are killing other Pakistanis.

  18. Pervaiz says:
    May 28th, 2010 1:14 pm

    That poem by Faraz at the end is still haunting me. Will we never learn anything.

  19. deva says:
    May 28th, 2010 1:21 pm

    what a pathetic response by govt. Did anyone notice in the video that they terrorist are on the roof of mosque and our incompetent police could not shoot him. My question is where the F**** HELL was army or special unit forces. why special unit was not sent to deal with these terrorist who were terrorizing on the roof top in the day light killing civilians blatantly.

    where was pak foj? who create these monsters and where were special unit forces who sympathise with these butchers? why only incompetent police was left to deal with this mayhem? our major city and the govt and army failed to do any thing. shame on our govt and army. they dont want to deal with these terrorists cause these bay.eman and kameenay politicians, army officials and intelleginece agencies silently support these terrorists.

    they are keepinh awam busy in protesting against facebook pages and banning websites while on the other hand these corrupt politcians and army cheifs are funding these monsters.

    and damn bhutto and zia who dared to declare ahmdeis non-muslims. wait till these monsters next kill shia mosque.
    and damn shahbaz sharif and nawaz sharif, patrons on raiwand cult. these are the v people who made contract with talabanees in 90s that they will give them safe heavens in northern areas. and damn jamat-islami, karai kai ghunda, people should rise and kill all these b******ds

  20. Syed Abrar says:
    May 28th, 2010 1:33 pm

    I think the government response on this one has been strong. A strong action in the gun battle and strong condemnation by both PM and Punjab CM. I hope a tragedy like this will shake us all up to who the real enemies of Islam are. The killers or those being killed!

  21. Ruhina Hashmi says:
    May 28th, 2010 1:39 pm

    Well written. Its a shame however that a Masjid has to be called ‘ibadat gah’.. and those who lost their lives are not refered to as ‘shaheed’ – which they are. Just a small correction to ATP – its ‘Ahmadi’ and not ‘Ahmedi’ .. sorry, not nitpicking.. just the way it is. Thank you for this post. Allah have mercy on my country. A Masjid is the House of Allah. Such barbarism will not go unavenged by HIM – today or tomorrow. May Allah have mercy on us all.

  22. abd says:
    May 28th, 2010 1:46 pm

    A day to be very fearful for the coward so-called muslim demi-gods who kill, maim, and murder. They think they are god and have the authority to decide who is or is not a muslim. Also for those coward observers who are indifferent towards the ultimate crime against Allah, it is yet another day to be very very fearful as you do do not seem to take issue with stepping into Allah’s jurisdiction. Laa’nut !!

    May Allah (SWT) shower His blessings on the Ahmadi martyrs who gave their lives in the name of Allah (SWT). Ameen.

    By His Grace, Allah (SWT) is sufficient for the Ahmadi Muslims !! Allah (SWT) will see the Ahmadi muslims through this tragedy and they will inshaAllah come out much stronger in their faith in Allah and their love for the Holy Prophet (SAW) and his teachings.

  23. Adnan Ahmad says:
    May 28th, 2010 1:52 pm

    Kafan sirkaao meri bezubaani daikhtey jaa’o

    These people went to offer Friday prayers. Many Pakistani kids became orphans today. Many wives became widows today. I reiterate these Pakistanis went to offer prayers and they were slaughtered. In many instances the dead would include a sole earner for the family. My heart bleeds yet again.

  24. Faraz says:
    May 28th, 2010 1:52 pm

    The constitution of Pakistan declares them sub-human, (in a not-so-subtle way). The right-wing media men openly call for their slaughter by calling them wajib-ul-qatl, and the priests openly declare that they are even worse then the infidels and should be sent to hell, calling them a 19th century conspiracy of the British Raj.

    Then we wonder why would someone kill them and why a sizeable majority is actually rejoicing at their killing.

    The fault is clearly ours for “having tolerated a society which would tolerate such hatred.”

  25. Tanzeel says:
    May 28th, 2010 1:56 pm

    Only Ahmedis are not unsafe in Pakistan, these barbarians have indiscriminately been attacking different sects and religious groups. I believe we should not associate Ahmedis only while condemning attacks.

    Entire Pakistan especially Lahore is a victim of terrorism.

    For Ahmedis, To avoid such attacks in future, I believe they should officially be declared Muslims (as they claim to be)

  26. Fatima says:
    May 28th, 2010 2:19 pm

    What these extremists are doing is already backfiring on them. Most Pakistanis are like me and more disgusted by the killing and murder than whatever the Qadiyanis may be saying. Whatever my religuous differences with them. Today I stand with them.

  27. Baboo says:
    May 28th, 2010 3:14 pm

    Some one draws a cartoon and we ban facebook and youtube.

    Now that we have responded to facebook could some one tell me what could be the appropriate response of West to this brutality ?

    We relentlessly remind West that they should have respect for our beliefs and not insult our prophet but I believe taking an innocent’s life is a far bigger insult to Prophet/Islam then any other perceived insult of drawing a cartoon by a non-muslim.

  28. Mubarak says:
    May 28th, 2010 3:18 pm

    Adil Bhai / Owais… You people know very well how much persecution ahmadis have faced.. now this is the first time that killing is done on such a larger scale…. but what about the social discrimination which ahmadis will continue to face in this society…. The seed sown in 74 is now a full grown tree with deep roots…

  29. Mohammad says:
    May 28th, 2010 3:21 pm

    Funny we Brag about Abdus Salam being the only “Muslim” to win the Nobel Prize in physics and yet we have such hate for Ahmadis.

    This is the culmination of years of oppression of the Ahmedi community in Pakistan. Why are only we, Muslims, afraid of religious freedom and protection of minorities. Theologically, I do not personally believe Ahmadis are Muslim, but they have the right to practice and identify as they wish.

    This hatemongering by the likes of Jamaat-e-Islami must be stopped. And these draconian laws targeting Amhadis must be repealed.

    Quaid-e-Azam, we are sorry. We are sorry we weren’t able to protect our minorities from right-wingers…

  30. A S Mian says:
    May 28th, 2010 3:29 pm

    I do not want any sympathy from this blog bc ATP is itself anti-Ahmadi.

    Any Pakistani who is not an Ahmadi is now my enemy. I say now we start blowing up their mosques.

  31. Salman says:
    May 28th, 2010 3:32 pm

    I would like to remind everyone talking against media about choosing a different set of words they would normally use for muslim human beings, that it is ILLEGAL to use the other set of words for non-muslim beings according to our constitution.

    So lets not blame them for doings whats legally required.

    Personally I think Ahmadis should also not make this an issue. Not because whats legal is right, but because we are a nation that tolerates a large massacre like today’s quite easily, so you get the point.

    We are a peaceful nation, as long as people GO ON living “peacefully” with us no matter what we do.

  32. Umar Shah says:
    May 28th, 2010 3:50 pm

    Some of the comments here are disturbing. Are we sure its just the rabid mullah’s and crazy fundamentalists supporting this? Seems like a significant portion of the society feels this was a good thing in some insane and twisted way.

    http://www.dunyanews.tv/main_category_eng.php?nid=13351&catid=2&flag=d

    Forget religion, humans were massacred & anyone who celebrates it is sick and should be either behind bars or needs to be removed.

  33. Mubarak says:
    May 28th, 2010 3:58 pm

    One thing I would like to say is that these attacks will not deter ahmadis from their faith and secondly, we love Pakistan and will continue to do it….

  34. Eidee Man says:
    May 28th, 2010 4:02 pm

    With every horrendous incident such as this we are told that the tide of public opinion is beginning to turn against the extremists. Unfortunately, as I see it, the majority of us are in utter criminal denial of what is going around us. We will again hear reports of the terrorists being caught, and a few days later the news cycle will move on to more sensational issues–such as an online post by a random troll halfway across the world.

    “Because when the good amongst us go silent, then only the hate of the bad resounds.”

    Absolutely.

  35. Bin Ismail says:
    May 28th, 2010 4:06 pm

    To all Ahmadis:

    Wo tum ko Husain banaatay hain aur aap Yazeedi bantay hain
    Yeh kya hee sasta sauda hai dushman ko teer chalaanay do

  36. Nasir says:
    May 28th, 2010 4:16 pm

    To find out more about Ahmadiyya community who was targeted please check out their official website alislam.org

    They are some of the most peaceful people on the face of this earth.

  37. Asim says:
    May 28th, 2010 4:45 pm

    ummmmm….guys, we dont even know who is behind this and we are blaming whomeever comes in mind. Even if govt. tell us who is behind this, they have no credibility…they would just make something that public could easily believe. Could it be a covert operation of other countries to make Pakistanis hate Taliban and alike even more?….I mean many of us hate all fundamentalist (no matter what religion they belong to)…however, we need to find who the actual culprit is. I guess we will never find who is actually behind this as our nation’s intelligence capabilities are limited to pure speculation.

  38. Asim says:
    May 28th, 2010 4:51 pm

    Because of tragedies like these, I am ashamed of my religion, culture and country. Maybe that is the purpose of people who committed this act!

  39. May 28th, 2010 5:02 pm

    I really feel bad for deaths and condemn this cruel act. One correction. Please don’t use word mosque for Ahamdis worship house. This word is only for Muslim’s worship house and not for non-Muslims.

  40. Aqz says:
    May 28th, 2010 5:23 pm

    @Mera Pakistan – Who the hell are you to tell me what i should call my place of worship? I just can’t belive how backward some of you people are. I can call it whatever i want. It is because of you ppl that this hateful mindset has taken over Pakistan. Religion is a personal business.

  41. Calculating_Misfit says:
    May 28th, 2010 5:28 pm

    @Asim

    “ummmmm….guys, we dont even know who is behind this and we are blaming whomeever comes in mind. Even if govt. tell us who is behind this, they have no credibility”

    The TTP has already claimed responsibility. I guess they figure blowing away a bunch of Ahmadis would not hurt their image among their sympathizers.

  42. Mustafa Samdani says:
    May 28th, 2010 5:29 pm

    @Mera Pakistan, please have someone seal your mouth shut so it can match your mind.
    @All Things Pakistan: i find it surprising that this blog would take such an emotional stance towards the cartoon issue on FB but be at a loss for words regarding this tragedy. Everyone knew it was coming. The police knew it was coming. The agencies knew it was coming. This attack is not the same as the surprise attacks in the past and right there, there is a lot more to say. I am also curious to see how many ppl protest this event relative to the pathetic fb issue.

  43. Muhammad Asim Javed says:
    May 28th, 2010 5:43 pm

    As a Sunni Muslims who has never understood or agreed with Qadiyani belief, let me say it is time to undo the injustice from the constitution and give everyone their full rights. If they are not Muslims let Allah be teh judge of that, who am I to judge that.

    These killings are criminal and my heart goes out to the families and loves ones of the martyrs.

    Wassalam

  44. Rafique says:
    May 28th, 2010 5:48 pm

    A sobering writeup. As Pakistanis we must all condemn this. Also, lets please keep our cool despite the great tragedy and loss of innocent lives. If terror and hatred spreads then the only ones who win are the terrorists who wanted to spread hate to begin with.

  45. Durrani says:
    May 28th, 2010 6:01 pm

    No matter what your views are on Ahmadis, we have to be very careful about how we react. Those who have done this have a very clear agenda, which is to spread intishar and hatred and use the Ahmedi card to make Paksitan even more stable. Let us not let them succeed in this. Whatever our differences, let us all come together as Pakistanis and as humans as this post says because otherwise we will be doing exactly what they want us to. So, please lets stand together and end this hatred today

  46. ahmadi muslim says:
    May 28th, 2010 6:01 pm

    “Inna Lillahi, Wa Inna Ilaihi Rajioon – To God we belong, and to God we return.” This is the muslim prayer that one recites upon learning the news of a loss. This is a deep, tremendous loss for our community. Even the death of a single brother, even the passing of a single sister is intolerable. It is intolerable even when the blood of that loss does not fall on anyone’s hands. Imagine my pain this day, when you murderer’s have robbed scores of my precious brothers and sisters of life. Imagine my pain when you have done so in the name of my beautiful and pure religion, in the name of my beloved prophet Muhammad Mustafa, and in the name of the True Beloved – Allah, the All-seeing, All-Knowing God. Yet this is the pain that My God – Who is One and Who is the Source of Peace – this is the pain Allah has taught me to bear.

    O Allah, may those who were martyred today, while they gathered to praise and worship You Who is alone worthy of worship, may they be granted the highest station in paradise and may their loved ones be strengthened with patience and steadfastness. Amen.

  47. Mustafa Samdani says:
    May 28th, 2010 6:06 pm

    ARafique: The write up pathetic and severely lacking especially as it tries to equate this attack with the many other attacks in the past. Secondly, the hatred is already omnipresent so the terrorists won long before any of this even started (check out how almost every other comment deals with “umm I dont agree with their beliefs but…”). Finally, why isn’t this blog talking about the lack of security provided for a sensitive target. The Pakistani government, as is the Sunni establishment, particularly the Punjabi Sunni establishment, complicit in this.

  48. Imran says:
    May 28th, 2010 6:07 pm

    People, listen to the words of the poet: khud ko taqseem na karna, mairay saarey loogo.

  49. izaz haque says:
    May 28th, 2010 6:09 pm

    Intolerance borders insanity in Pakistan’s ultra-religious circles. But that’s just the tip of the iceberg. The public and private discourse glorifies outrageous conspiracy theories and sustains a national narrative that blames others for the problems the country faces. Without a vast program of public education that changes the mindset of the silent majority, Pakistan will continue to pay with its own for the mistakes of its leadership.

  50. Azmat says:
    May 28th, 2010 6:34 pm

    First, as a practicing Ahmadi, first let me thank the writers of this post and for so many commenters for their humanity. You do not have to agree with my beliefs, but it is good to see that basic decency and humanity has not yet died in our society.

    Second, let me condemn A.S. Mian who brigs shame to all Ahmadis with his comment. Your pain is the same as the rest of us, but your anger and rage only belittles it.

    Third, I am sorry to say that there are still people like Mustafa Samdani who want to use this killing on my people to spread more sectarian hatred. Shame on you. Shame on you also for suggesting that this was somehow not like other attacks. Why? Because you think we Ahmadis are somehow less that your other Muslims and other Pakistanis. Obviously the terrorists believe that the killing of Ahmadis does not matter as much and people like you who make the same argument are no better. If you cannot mourn for these innocent Pakistanis because they are Ahmadis, at least mourn for them as Pakistanis. But please do not use our blood to spread more sectarian hatred.

    Finally, no matter who does what and why, I can only say that my love for Islam and my love for Pakistan is not at all reduced by this. Pakistan zindabad.

  51. Mustafa Samdani says:
    May 28th, 2010 6:51 pm

    @Azmat: this was not like other attacks because these specific mosques were receiving threats and they had registered these threats with local authorities. This is why these were not like other attacks. My comment had nothing to do with the status of Ahmadis in Pakistan, notwithstanding the fact that mainstream media give a space to clerics to openly encourage such barbarism. My comment had more to do with local governance and how local security agencies react to expected violence.

  52. Ahmadiyya says:
    May 28th, 2010 7:04 pm

    A decent writeup that sheds light on the crime that not only took place on May 28th 2010 but on 1973 when a peace loving community was declared non-Muslim. I would like to remind my fellow Muslims that in Holy Quran it is clearly written that “killing of one innocent man is like killing of all humanity”.
    Secondly there was a comment stating that please do not call “Ahmadi worship place a Mosque” since it is only reserved for Islamic place of worship. So lets see a place of worship where people gather on Fridays at noon to perform salat and listen to a sermon given by an Imam, in this article written “A prayer leader” and invoke blessing of Allah on his Holy Prophet Muhammad (SAW) is no other place on the face of the earth other then a Mosque. Those 90+ people who lost their lives are not dead but alive and their martyrdom has granted them an elevated status. May Allah open the eyes of those who kill innocent people and tarnish the image of Islam. Wsalaam

  53. deva says:
    May 28th, 2010 7:10 pm

    @ azmat
    i think u misunderstood what mustafa samdani was saying. he was not saying this mayhem is less important he was saying that govt was willfully negligent here. from his comments i inferred he is ahmedi muslim so he cant be belittling the incident, he was just saying this incident is much deeper

  54. banjara286 says:
    May 28th, 2010 7:38 pm

    to say to those who lost their loved ones today that we share in your grief seems like such a small, perhaps even meaningless, gesture. the state must deal with the perpetrators on war footing and bring every single one of them to book. that includes the entire membership and sympathizers of ttp since that organization has claimed responsibility.

  55. Salman says:
    May 28th, 2010 7:59 pm

    We all know how Ahmadis according to our constitution are mere “human lookalikes” .. so todays attack wasn’t surprising.. it was just sad..

    And this non-surprising sadness seems to be shared by almost everyone here..

    compare the surprise in the attack on IDP’s .. that was on “real” human beings.. there was hardly any comment in favor of the Taliban..

    anyway.. lets move on.. this is not a topic we should “condemn” more than necessary.. hum sub ke chotay chotay bache hain.. ya hon gay.. why take the risk ?

  56. Asim Kaleem says:
    May 28th, 2010 8:10 pm

    What is this government doing ……….. where are those tall claims by the CM Punjab Mr vigilant ………… indeed its not only our brothers .. its attack on all Pakistan …….. must check the neighbours involvement …….. or those evils which are like parasites to this nation……

  57. Sridhar says:
    May 28th, 2010 9:07 pm

    Horrible incident. Sympathies with the victims and their families.

  58. Sridhar says:
    May 28th, 2010 9:13 pm

    I noticed the following three headlines in the Daily Times today
    http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=20105\29\main_29-5-2010_pg1

    1. Ahmedis targeted in Lahore carnage: 80 killed, 92 injured as gunmen wearing suicide vests storm two Ahmedi worship places in Model Town and Garhi Shahu

    2. 80 Taliban killed in Orakzai blitz

    3. 80 killed as Maoists derail train in India

    80 lives each lost in three different incidents, on three different locations on (or close to) the Grand Trunk road. 80 unnecessary deaths in each instance.

  59. Sridhar says:
    May 28th, 2010 9:15 pm

    Corrected URL (converted into a “TinyURL”).
    http://tinyurl.com/3yy5q3h

  60. Sada says:
    May 28th, 2010 9:23 pm

    This is an extremely condemnable and sad incident and we all are with Ahmadi community in this time of immense grief. Those who are responsible and those who stent patronage to such activities should be brought be named, shamed and ultimately processed through justice system. I would also like to mention one thing as it has already been flagged on this forum. Without going into controversy of Muslim and non-Muslim, it is FACT that according to Constitution of Islamic Republic of Pakistan Ahmadies are not Muslim and therefore their places of worship cannot be termed mosques. You can academically disagree with this but as long as it is part of the constitution, we should respect this as law of land. Otherwise, there is no difference between us and Sufi Muhammad who also disagrees and disrespect several constitutional provisions. Relevant provisions of constitution have not been introduced by some ultra religious group. They were passed by a Parliament where a liberal political party, PPP, was on treasury benches and several other leading politicians such as Wali Khan were also sitting members. Moreover, this decision has recently won another massive political support across the party lines when 18th constitutional amendment was taken up. None of the mainstream and significant political party has asked to withdraw this provision from the constitution. It is therefore very much reflective of national consensuses that Ahmadi Community is not a part of Muslim identity and therefore we should also avoid creating any such confusion on this forum. I would also request administrators of this forum not to let the whole discussion deviated towards an issue which a minority often tend to exploit for political reasons.

  61. omar says:
    May 28th, 2010 9:28 pm
  62. Shaukat says:
    May 28th, 2010 10:03 pm

    Powerful writeup. This news and your words literally brought tears to my eyes.

    “Ultimately, the person who is killed is not a Pakistani or Indian or American or even Muslim or Jew or Christian or even Barelvi or Ahmadi or Wahabi. Ultimately, the person killed is just another human. And the person who kills, is not. Because in the very act of killing for hate he has stripped himself of that distinction, of his own humanity.

  63. Inayat says:
    May 28th, 2010 10:29 pm

    Please, please, please. Stop this hatred. It will end up killing all of us. ALL OF US.

  64. Mustafa Samdani says:
    May 28th, 2010 10:41 pm

    I hate to reiterate my point but this is a war of identities amongst other things. We can strip the perpetrators of their identity all we want, and assert our own identities all we want, but until we recognize that this is a war of identity we will not get anywhere. Until we recognize the fact that our own media/govt gives space to people that declare minorities “wajib-ulqatl,” until we realize that minorities registering the threat of violence are ignored, until we see that the perpetrators are not RAW agents but truly Pakistanis asserting their national/religious identity, nothing will come of this failed state of a nation. We cannot go on singing kumbaya and wishing for the best.

  65. Zafar says:
    May 28th, 2010 10:43 pm

    ATP, this is a very courageous piece you have written. Each line is full of meaning and I hope people will read it with the same seriousness that you have written it. As you write so beautifully “when the good amongst us go silent, then only the hate of the bad resounds.” Thank you ATP for not standing by silently.

  66. Qadeer says:
    May 28th, 2010 11:04 pm

    From the Express Tribune front page. Worth reading.

    LAHORE: In a feat of unprecedented bravery, two young Ahmedi men overwhelmed and helped capture two armed terrorists from Baitul Noor in Model Town.

    Nabeel, just 25-years-old, told The Express Tribune that he entered the building at 1:30 pm before the Friday sermon had started. He recalled that the number of worshipers started to swell around 1:45 pm just before the first few gunshots were heard.

    “Immediately after I heard gunfire, I saw the back of the head of one of the terrorists who was attempting to shoot Anwer, the security guard. I understood that he would try to enter the facility next and rushed to close the gate at the entrance. To buy us some time, I asked everyone inside the building to rush towards the basement. Most of the people who were killed were older men because they were not too quick on their feet,” said Nabeel.

    “One terrorist who appeared to be in his mid-twenties entered the main hall and started firing indiscriminately at doors, windows and worshippers.

    Then he hurled hand grenades and the resulting explosion injured almost everyone who had not made it to the basement.

    We had a clear view of the injured people in the hall from where we were hiding. Immediately after the grenade explosion, the terrorist started shooting the injured people who were crying and screaming for help,” he added.

    “I could see that the terrorist was injured and bleeding from the head.

    He shot at least a dozen people before he fell to the ground. I used the opportunity to seize the man, still wearing his suicide vest. Two other men helped me remove his jacket and disarm him. I held him in that position for nearly 35 minutes waiting for police officials so I could hand him over to them,” said Nabeel.

    “I had placed a foot just over the man’s neck to make sure he could not move. He kept telling me that he was in a lot of pain and wanted me to remove my foot.

    I removed some pressure and asked him why he had killed so many innocent people. He replied that it was his mission to eradicate all infidels from Pakistan. I could not converse with him further after hearing him say that,” stated Nabeel.

    Bilal, who is 21-years-old helped capture another terrorist. He was standing on the second floor of the building and had a clear view of the front entrance when he saw armed men walk into the facility.

    “The terrorist looked like he was only seventeen. He threw the hand grenade that killed our patron Lt General (retd) Chaudhary Naasir Ahmad. Then he barged through the front door and made his way up the stairs to the second floor. I was hiding behind a couch. The young man was constantly firing. I had a clear view of everything that was happening. Luckily the terrorist did not see me,” said Bilal.

    “I knew I had a brief window of opportunity to act. When the terrorist had his back to the place where I was hiding behind, I pounced and grabbed him and yelled to other people to help me overpower him.

    The young man was talking in Seraiki, constantly pleading with us to give him a glass of water. I removed the suicide jacket from his torso with the help of a few people,” added Bilal.

    “I understand a little Seraiki. I could tell that the boy was constantly abusing and cursing us for capturing him. I had to wait for half an hour before police officials arrived and arrested the young terrorist,” he said.

    Published in the Express Tribune, May 29th, 2010.

  67. Syed Hamza Haider says:
    May 28th, 2010 11:19 pm

    Another tragic day in our history. But I must make a point. Why does everyone on the media have to start expressing their grief but then say that ‘even though they are non-muslims they should not have been killed’? At least today give them a break. We’ve had a history of openly discriminating against the Ahmadi community ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ordinance_XX etc), we need to treat them as equal citizens.

  68. May 29th, 2010 12:55 am

    This tragic event cannot be condemned enough. That is why I believe that we should put our emotions to good use by demanding that the Government of Pakistan undo the Second Amendment to the Constitution by 17 September, 2010 – the very day that Ahmadis in Pakistan were made into a non-Muslim minority. I sincerely believe that this amendment and the associated appeasement of the religious right was one of the darkest moments in this country’s history. It paved the way for the hell hole that Pakistan has become today: a state without identity, a state at war with itself. Lets make sure that the lives lost in this tragedy are not wasted! Join the following Facebook event and join the movement: http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=121141137925878

  69. Mustafa Samdani says:
    May 29th, 2010 1:13 am

    this whole drama of “we won’t say they are muslim but they should be allowed to live” is absolute BS.
    @deva: i am not Ahmadi Muslim. I was raised Sunni but for obvious reasons I renounce that hellish clan.

    Look at the posts in response to the tragedy. People are debating whether we should even call the places of the massacre “mosques.” Doesn’t that tell you anything about the mentality of Pakistanis. I’m surprised the bloggers at All Things Pakistan do not even address that issue. I’m surprised these so-called liberals of the Islamic Hell of Pakistan pretend to call a spade a spade when the spades come to dig the graves of their own citizens. I’m surprised that everyone here is lamenting this as an inevitable tragedy rather than mourning it as the result of a negligent and biased state/ummah. Thumbs Down to Pakistan, Islam, and the Sunni Establishment. All the agencies in charge knew it was coming! Enough Said!!!!

  70. May 29th, 2010 1:52 am

    Very sad incident. InshAllah we ll cut the roots of these few black sheep within us. May Allah guide us to the right path. Long Live Pakistan.

  71. Zaheen Ahmed says:
    May 29th, 2010 2:39 am

    Hor choopo

  72. May 29th, 2010 3:10 am

    I was hiding behind a couch. The young man was constantly firing.

  73. A Khan says:
    May 29th, 2010 3:23 am

    This is a wakeup call for all Pakistanis. Do you want a country where you and your family could be killed on the basis of your beliefs? If your answer is no,then please speak out against the use of religion as a political tool. This can only be done by making Pakistan a secular republic. Secularism does not mean atheism, as it is usually thought. Secularism means that all humans are equal in the eyes of the law and there is no discrimintion on the basis of religion;and that the business of the state has got nothing to do with religion. The state needs to be above all forms of discriminatory influences whether religious or ethnic. For heavens sake Pakistanis! please reclaim your dignity and humanism otherwise there will be no more Pakistan!

    Let us atleast start debating the need for a People’s Democratic Republic of Pakistan in a logical and civilized manner!!

    A. Khan

  74. Akram says:
    May 29th, 2010 3:29 am

    Well said..Dont worry they will pay for what they have done
    just like Zia did just like Bhutto did..we dont need to do anything..just repeat this
    “mere liye sirf allah hi kafi hai.”
    btw did u people see any burned down houses or bikes or tyres or retalliation of any kind from the Ahmadis????
    strange people…yet they are “fitna”.
    History has it when any other muslim sect was attacked…u can see the retalliation…well allah khair karey ab in zalimon pe (aamin)

  75. -Farid says:
    May 29th, 2010 5:29 am

    Another sad day for Pakistan, and a sobering post. Hate is indeed our worst enemy.

  76. Jahil says:
    May 29th, 2010 8:36 am

    Killing is becoming a joyfull pass time of our mullas .
    Gov is not blind at all ,we public too know that is some masajid the preaching of killing done on weekly basis.
    Visit a masjid located in momina abad near bijli nagar orangi town number 4.
    On every Sunday evening the imported molvi give bhashan to kill all those who do not fallow there sect.
    you can find such molvies in kachi abadies near you.
    This game of killing will not end till public them self start a movement and gov give public a trust that there name and information will not reach back to killers and there preachers.
    May Allah safe us and our country .

  77. Tanzeel. says:
    May 29th, 2010 9:50 am

    High time for Government of Pakistan to embrace Ahmadis as Muslims.

  78. Sehar Tauqeer says:
    May 29th, 2010 11:38 am

    1. Do you remember the most charismatic Islamic and Spirtual Scholar of the Universe with latest Wardrobe fashions and latest Beard Style come on GEO to tell us how to be True Muslim in his Cosmetic Way that in his 7th September 2008 Program of Jahil Online as may of Pakistanis used to say him incited openly to murder Ahmedis and 3 Ahmedis including Doctor killed just in 48 hours.After talking with old times buddy Usman Punjabi of Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan in such a free and friendly manner like old friends do , he declared Ahmedis as Traitors of Pakistan which Faisal Raza Abidi of PPPP provided that Mobilink No. and whole call details to Khalid Khwaja’s son that took place on 19th April,2010 just 4 days before Khalid Khwaja murder and now saying computer softwares program artificially created this tape, or PPPP ministers opening great game against Media or different patches of talk joined together by some Agency like ISI or MI etc etc to save neck from FIR filed by Khalid Khawaja’s son in Shalimar Station of Islamabad.

    Today in centre of Lahore , Usman Punjabi and his Organizanization demonstrated the wonderful show of ‘Patriotism’ againt ‘Traitors and Kafirs of Pakistan’ which Hamid Mir declared in his tape just like Dr.Jahil Online with his wordclass Doctrate Degree did 2 years ago on GEO. 170 million Pakistanis pay a heartiest salute and words to Hamid Mir , Usman Punjabi , TTP Punjab Wing who took its responsibility and all Mujhaids who laid thier lives for this Jihad !

    Fruits of Patriotism are now riping in whole country , Funding is coming from Saudia, Egypt and Gulf States , Ideology is coming from Abdul Wahab of Arabia , Syed Qutub of Egypt , Ideological Backing and Support is coming from Hamid Mir , CEC member of PML-N Irfan Siddique who left Nawa-i-Waqt to get more money from Jang Group , Orya Maqbool Jaan , Ghazi of Daily Jang ,Shireen Mazari of Nation , Majeed Nizami of Nawai Waqt , Zaid Hamid and all others who are having Wet Dreams of Dominating World , AL-Qaeda is on the Driving Seat as Saleem Safi described in his last column in The News , TTP Pakistan and Punjabi Wing of Jaish-e-Muhammad, Harkat-ul-Jihad Al-Alimi , Al-Furqan, Ilyas Kashmiri are on the executing these operations , Wahabi LeT funded by Saudia is openly supporting them , Deobandi Scholars of Binoria and whole Pakistan providing Logistical Support of staying these Terrorists in thier Mosques at Night and Baighairat Diesel Smugglers of JUI and Jamat-e-Islami are fighting TTP Cause at Poltical Front …. 17 innocents in Religious Place of one sect have been killed so far.Congragulations to all above mentioned people. Salute to your Patriotism. Soon multi-billion dollars Investments in Pakistan would be coming over this Great Achievement

  79. Umar Raheem says:
    May 29th, 2010 12:18 pm

    Mr.Najam

    Few days back you were asking us to be polite and humble when dealing with non-Muslims who made images of the Prophet[pbuh] and quoted the Prophet several times to deal with those who spread hate.

    Now I see you are not mentioning Muslims’ Prophet anywhere. Why is it like that? why such double standards?

  80. Jameel says:
    May 29th, 2010 12:20 pm

    I salute ATP for always being on the right side. I can imagine only what the right wing extremists must be sending you but standing against hatred and the enemies of islam is something that you have done consistently and we should all be thankful to you for that.

  81. Azeema says:
    May 29th, 2010 12:26 pm

    Yesterday was one of the saddest moments in Pakistan. I agree with many on this and other related online forum that the path of hate, intolerance and blaming others will lead us nowhere!! And also to the fact that, it is perhaps time to repeal the act which declared Ahemdis as Non-Muslims….

    But being born and raised in Pakistan, I think all of this is quite progressive and the man on the street may not share the same views. They would still call Ahmedis Kafir and their mosques as Ibadatgahs! How do we change decades of brainwashing by the media, curricula and hatemongers amongst us?

  82. deva says:
    May 29th, 2010 12:38 pm

    @ omar I read your indian post, awsome
    and
    @ sehr eye opening man eye opening, u hit the nail on the head
    read this too
    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/26/world/asia/26pstan.html

    also i agree, ahmedi muslims are not blowing bombs, are not violently protesting they are way better muslims in my opinion then these wahabi and salafi and sunni extremists

  83. abdulhai says:
    May 29th, 2010 12:38 pm

    We need to decide what we are going to do about it on a personnel level. Some thing practical.

  84. Syed Dilawar Ali says:
    May 29th, 2010 12:41 pm

    How do you recognize the enemies of Islam: Anyone who wants ‘respect’ and ‘tolerance’ even from cartoonists for his faith, and then goes and kills (or defends the killing of) innocent people just because their faith is different.

  85. naveed siddiqui says:
    May 29th, 2010 1:14 pm

    its is very sad but dont say Mosque ,say Ahmadi Ibatadgah.Mosque is a symbol of Muslim’s.

  86. deva says:
    May 29th, 2010 1:28 pm

    @ naveed siddiqui
    either you are a total imbecile and a moron or a hard core hypocite

    may i ask you why it is a sad day? you will say because innocent people were killed. OK then may i ask you what is the reason for their killing? if you are a moron you will have a stupid answer or no answer. if you are an evil hypocrite you will very well know the real reason for their killing. which is intolerance and draconic declaration of them as non-muslims and thus making them a GREAT target for hate crimes. our 1970′s constitution declaring them non-muslims and ppl who supported this are real perpetrators of killing agaist this marginalized group. as a hypocrite you know this but you come here to state your agenda that “dont call them muslims” and in order to say this u also want to sweeten your blow and say i am sad. GET OUT OF HERE you are not sad. you applaud this mayhem. same way you appluad killing of shias, christians, and the same way you apologize for taliban, faisal shahzad, and afia siddiqui.

    shame on your hypocrisy. in this mayhem all you worried about is not call what or what not. these ahmdei mulims are way better than your sunni extremist and saudi salafi savages

  87. Taimur says:
    May 29th, 2010 1:39 pm

    @naveed siddiqui.
    Thank you for making that clarification, sir. I am most thankful to you.
    By the way, can we call them “dead” or do you suggest we call them “wasted” or maybe “disposed off” is what you Taliban supporters say? Please enlighten us.

    By the way, when you are rotting in hell, what should we call you.
    As a Muslim, I would be ashamed to call anyone like you a Muslim. Can you suggest a name for yourself and people like you.

    @Umar Raheem
    Yes, it is double standard. Why do you Taliban supporters want to ban even cartoons when it hurts your feelings but kill children and women just for the satisfaction of it? If you were a Muslim (which you obviously are not) I would have asked you to learn from the Prophet (saw) the lessons of tolerance. He was tolerant to even his enemies (which is what the FB thing was about) and here you are supporting the killing of even those who express their love for the Prophet (saw) and who were actually gathered to pray in his (saw) name and to honour him (saw). So, who is disrespecting the Prophet (saw): those who were collected to pray in his name and express their love for him; or those who killed the followers and lovers of the Prophet Muhammad (saw)?

    Same question to you as to other guy:
    When you are rotting in hell, what should we call you.
    As a Muslim, I would be ashamed to call anyone like you a Muslim. Can you suggest a name for yourself and people like you who hate the message of the Prophet (saw)?

  88. ASAD says:
    May 29th, 2010 1:51 pm

    Congratulations to the ATP team for writing another excellent post that expresses the sentiments of decent Pakistanis everywhere.

    Congratulations also on ATP winning the BEST CURRENT AFFAIRS BLOG award at the Pakistan Blog Awards. Most well deserved.

    This post shows why you are indeed the best.

  89. ahmadi says:
    May 29th, 2010 2:04 pm

    Islam’s Response to Terrorism

    by Abdul Ghany Jahangeer Khan

    Islam means the religion of peace. A person following Islam will find that he or she is surrounded by noble teachings, the aim of which is to establish peace between man and Allah, the Creator of all; between man and man; and between man and the rest of Allah’s creation.

    How does such a religion deal with the issue of terrorism? And what does the word terrorist mean? Dictionaries will define a terrorist as one who systematically uses violence and intimidation to achieve political ends – or one who controls or forces others to do something by violence, fear or threats.

    All these definitions are covered by two words in the Holy Qur’an, the sacred book of Islam: Fitnah and Ikrâh.

    In the Holy Qur’an, God begins to deal with the issue of terrorism by teaching Muslims never to become terrorists in the first place. Two of the very first verses of our Holy Book say: ‘Al-Fitnatu ashad-du minal qatl’ – meaning that in the sight of Allah, ‘persecution, or making people constantly fear for their lives, is much worse than killing’. And also: ‘Lâ ikrâha fid-dîn’ – ‘There shall be no compulsion in religion’, that is to say, that no one has the right to force others into complying with their demands or compelling others to follow their line of thinking.

    Allah Almighty warns the believers again and again that they should never abandon Him, the source of all goodness. Allah Almighty reminds us that it is those who have abandoned Him and thrown away all good, and divested themselves of every shred of human decency, that are the ones who will eventually resort to terrorizing others, forcing them into complying with their demands. The believers are repeatedly reminded that they would lose Allah Almighty’s love and His favors if they ever began to behave in that way.

    But Islam does not content itself with these injunctions strongly forbidding Muslims from ever becoming terrorists. It also makes sure that the believers are made into highly moral, excellently behaved people, by inculcating those lofty human values that can turn them into people who sincerely love humankind without distinction of religion, race or social status. Islam no doubt encourages the logical and rational discussion of views with people of all creeds in a calm and dispassionate way, with the only aim that truth prevail over error and falsehood. But it also reminds us that it is error and falsehood as such that are to be hated and detested. The people who unfortunately hold on to error are never to be hated. That is why the motto of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community is ‘Love for all, hatred for none.’

    In Islam, an amazingly powerful emphasis is laid on developing love for mankind and on the vital importance of showing mercy and sympathy towards every creature of Allah Almighty, including human beings and animals. For indeed, love and true sympathy are the very antidote of terrorism.

    It is related by ‘Ayesha, may Allah be pleased with her, the talented wife of the Holy Prophet Muhammad, may peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, that some desert Arabs came to him one day and asked: ‘Do you kiss your children?’ He answered: ‘Yes.’ They said: ‘We never kiss them.’ The Prophet (sa) said:‘What can I do if your hearts have been stripped of compassion?’ He also said that Allah Almighty has no mercy for him who has no mercy for his fellow beings.

    The measure of compassion shown by the Holy Prophet (sa) cannot but amaze anyone who knows how rough and violent was the society into which he had been born. Abu Qatâdah, may Allah be pleased with her, relates that the Messenger of Allah told him: ‘It happens that I stand up to lead the prayer, having in mind to lengthen it. Then I hear the cry of an infant and I shorten the prayer fearing lest I should cause inconvenience to its mother.’

    Far from inciting hatred and aggressiveness in its followers, Islam keeps on enjoining kindness and sympathy for all. The Holy Prophet Muhammad, may peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, said: ‘Charity is incumbent upon every human limb every day on which the sun rises. To bring about reconciliation between two contestants is charity. Helping a person mount his animal or to load his baggage on to it is charity. A good word is charity. Every step taken toward the mosque for prayer is charity. To remove anything from the street that causes inconvenience is charity.’

    He incessantly admonished Muslims to behave well towards their neighbors, saying: ‘That one will not enter Paradise whose neighbor is not safe against his mischief.’

    He also declared: ‘By Him in Whose Hands is my life, you will not enter Paradise unless you believe, and you will not truly believe unless you love one another. Shall I tell you something whereby you will love one another? Multiply the greeting of peace among yourselves.’

    One day he found a mother bird beating her wings on the ground in distress. He asked his companions: ‘Who has done this?’ They said: ‘We took her young ones out of her nest.’ The Holy Prophet (sa) said: ‘Restore them to her. No mother must be tormented on account of her child.’

    On another occasion, he found one of his companions setting fire to an anthill. He immediately told them to put out the fire saying: ‘No one has the right to torment others with fire.’

    As Allah Almighty says in the Holy Qur’an that the true believers are: ‘those who suppress their anger and forgive people’, likewise, the Holy Messenger of Allah, Muhammad, may peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, said: ‘Allah is Gentle and loves gentleness in all things. Make things easy and do not make them hard. And cheer people up and do not repel them.’

    It is clear that the true believers and all other good, honest people are always on the receiving end of terrorism, never on the delivering end. Whenever such tendencies appear in society by which the peace is being disturbed and people cannot live their lives without fear, Muslims are enjoined to counter them first of all by reasoning with those responsible for the disturbance. The Holy Qur’an says:

    Call unto the way of your Lord [that is the way of justice and goodness] with wisdom and goodly exhortation, and argue with them in a way that is best. (Ch.16: v.126)

    And the Qur’an repeatedly tells us to seek help from Allah Almighty with patience and p r a y e r. But if reasoning with those people bent on wickedness and praying for them fail to bring about a change in their ways, then Allah Almighty says, again at the end of Chapter 16, verse 127:

    ‘Then if you desire to punish the oppressors, punish them to the extent you have been wronged.’

    Allah Almighty commands the Muslims that when things get out of hand, they should join forces to restore peace by use of reasonable force. They have been enjoined by the Holy Prophet Muhammad, may peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, to join forces if need be with followers of other faiths to do so. Thus, in the famous document known as the Treaty of Medina, The Messenger of Allah declared:

    Article 1:
    This is the treaty of Muhammad, the Prophet (the Messenger of Allah) between the Believers and Muslims of the Quraish and the people of Yathrib, and between those who follow them and join them in fighting (the common enemy).

    Article 2:
    And it is that they constitute an Ummah Wâhidah (One Nation) separate from other people.

    Article 25:
    And also that the Jews of the tribe of ‘Auf constitute an Ummah Wâhidah with the Believers – even though the Jews will follow their own religion and the Muslims will follow their own – and this will include both their friends and themselves. (Quoted from Reuben Levy in ‘Sociology of Islam, part I, pages 279-282)

    Here, all the inhabitants of the city of Yathrib, or Medina, were called upon to join in fighting the forces that were terrorizing the citizens.

    Muslims have been made to promise that they will help defend the followers of other faiths from unjust and cruel attacks as well. For example, in his charter for all time to come addressed to all Christians living as citizens under Muslim rule, the Holy Prophet Muhammad, may peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, states:

    I promise that any monk or wayfarer who will seek my help on the mountains, in forests, deserts or habitations, or in places of worship, I will repel his enemies with my friends and helpers, with all my relatives and with all those w ho profess to follow me and will defend them, because they are my covenant. And I will defend the covenanted against the persecution, injury and embarrassment of their enemies in lieu of the poll tax they have promised to pay. If they prefer to defend their properties and persons themselves, they will be allowed to do so and will not be put to any inconvenience on that account.

    No bishop will be expelled from his bishopric, no monk from his monastery, no priest from his place of worship, and no pilgrim will be detained in his pilgrimage. None of their churches and other places of worship will be desolated or destroyed or demolished. No material of their churches will be used to build mosques or houses for the Muslims; any Muslim doing so will be regarded as recalcitrant to Allah and His Prophet. Monks and Bishops will be subject to no tax or indemnity whether they live in forests or on rivers, in the East or in the West, in the North or in the South. I give them my word of honor. They are on my promise and covenant and will enjoy perfect immunity from all sorts of inconveniences. Every help shall be given them in the repair of their churches. They shall be absolved of wearing arms. They shall be protected by the Muslims. Let this document not be disobeyed till Judgment Day.” (Quoted from Balâdhar)

    In Islam, every effort is thus made to protect the peace of not only the Muslims, but also of the followers of other faiths. Allah Almighty says:

    And if Allah did not defend some men by means of others, there would surely have been pulled down monasteries, churches, synagogues and mosques wherein the name of Allah is oft remembered. (Ch.22: v.41)

    However, Muslims have been warned by the Holy Founder of Islam, Muhammad, the Messenger of Allah, may peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, that when they enter the territory of those who have been terrorizing and harshly persecuting them, they should not lose all sense of perspective and justice, and be tempted to start acting savagely, like the terrorists themselves. The worst crime of ungratefulness would be that committed by a people who, having forgotten that they had just been subjected to terrible cruelties, start meting out the same, if not worse, cruelties to others. The Prophet ordered:

    ‘You will meet those who remember Almighty Allah in their houses of worship. Have no dispute with them, and give no trouble to them. In the enemy country, do not kill any women or children, or the blind, or the old. Do not pull down any tree; nor pull down any building.’ (Quoted from Halbiyyah, Vol.3).

    So the only Jihad permitted in Islam is the war of the oppressed against the oppressor, the war waged to protect the peace of all people irrespective of their religion or creed. Tactics used today such as suicide bombing, etc. are absolutely out of the question for true followers of Islam. Allah Almighty says:

    And kill not your own selves. Surely Allah is Merciful to you. (Ch.4: v. 30)

    …and cast not yourselves into ruin with your own hands… (Ch.2: v.196)

    Islam strictly forbids the killing of innocent, non-aggressive people:…no hostility is allowed except against the aggressors. (Ch.2: v.194)

    These three verses alone are sufficient to prevent Muslims from crashing airplanes into buildings, or from sending suicide bombers to blow up innocent civilians.

    Once the evildoers have ceased misbehaving and have been justly punished for their crimes, then Allah Almighty says:

    And fight them until there is no more persecution, and religion is freely professed for Allah. But if they desist, then remember that no hostility is allowed except against the aggressors. (Ch.2: v.194)

    To sum up, Islam advocates three steps against terrorism:

    1. To give an excellent moral upbringing to all Muslims, so that they become upright, just, moral, kind and loving people, thereby ensuring that they never disrupt the peace of others.
    2. Whenever the peace is disrupted, to reason and argue with the evildoers, and sincerely pray for them, to make them change their ways.
    3. If all reasoning fails, then to join forces with all good people to combat the mischief-mongers until peace has been restored, but always keeping the dictates of justice in view.

    It is our belief that not only Islam, but no true religion, whatever its name, can sanction violence and bloodshed of innocent men, women and children in the name of Allah Almighty. Terrorists may use religious or political labels, but no one should be deceived by their wily ways and treacherous guiles. They have nothing to do with religion. They are the enemies of peace. They must be combated at every level as advocated by Islam, the religion of peace.

  90. Dil Sooz says:
    May 29th, 2010 2:39 pm

    Sahibzada Farooq Ali Khan Sahib (Ex Speaker National Assembly in 1974) Speak up:
    Dear Sahibzada Sahib, Allah has granted you long life to give you an opportunity to tell the truth, whole truth and nothing but the truth, before it is too late (In my view it is already late). You were Speaker of house when Ahmadis of Qadiani and Lahori Branches were declared non- muslims. You confided privately to many that it was all sham and it was just a political decision to appease Mullah. Since there are no public record of proceedings leading up to this declaration (one wonders why) it falls on you to set the record right. This is historic moment, please grab it.
    For the rest of readers: Please note Pakistan is only Islamic country which has declared one part of Ummah who recite kalima and believe in day of judgment as “Kafir”.
    Lahore Ahmadiyya Jammat has always believed in finality of Prophethood of Holy Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) more then any other school of thought, as they believe, just as Quran says NO new prophet be it it New or Old will come after him. Instead of getting more respect they are made Kafirs -Astafghfir Ullah!. You can check their beliefs and works in propogation of Islam on their sites: http://www.muslim.org and http://www.aaiil.org
    Painful truth is that religious parties like Jammat Islami who were against creation of Pakistan (I can debate anyone who denies this fact) are now so called “beholders” of country. After Pakistan was created they kept up the strife which led to anti ahmadiyya riots and 1st martial law in 1950′s in ensuing court proceedings death sentence was given to late Maulana Maududi for his incitment of violence.
    Among secular parties ANP/NAP was against creation of Pakistan and their senior ministers even now say so on public TV. Their leader Wali Khan even wrote in his book that Pakistan was Qadiani “conspiracy”. At least he was not a hypocrite. Wali Khan refused to vote on anti ahmadiyya amendment in 1974.
    Now a quick quiz for every one–Who drafted Pakistan declaration of Independence which is affixed even now on Minar Pakistan Lahore?–Answer “Sir Zafarullah Khan” -whose nephew Lt. Gen (R) Nasir Ahmed was killed in this recent massacre.
    Point to ponder: May be Wali Khan was right about founders of Pakistan. And then who else signed this declaration of Independence document (knowing that Maulana Maududi and like minded maulvis were against it)-list of signatories included father of former Indian Prime Minister Inder Kumar Gujral.

  91. Abid Agha Khan says:
    May 29th, 2010 2:47 pm

    Salam.

    What…Ibadat Gah? No. It is a Masjid. A masjid of the Ahmadi Muslims. The Promised Messiah (alihissalam) has been sent to Muslims…and we follow him. He was sent because in this time period, Muslims are going against the true teachings of Islam all around the world, as we see today in these attacks against my community–my community, who love Pakistan, love Humanity, are the most educated in Pakistan (despite having been given nothing), and are the only Muslim sect that has never had a suicide bomber, or any member worldwide hurting humanity in any such way. Allah’s wrath will now descend upon Lahore because he will react like a lioness reacts when you touch her newborn cub. And this saddens me, because Lahore is my city. I am from Model Town. In a Hadith, the greatest man to ever exist, the Holy Prophet Muhammad (saw), said that there will in the latter days, be 73 sects, and only one of them will be his true jamaat. Do the math.

  92. Umar Raheem says:
    May 29th, 2010 3:20 pm

    Taimur good you agreed upon double standards. I am not a taliban supporter so stop guessing by using your peanut size brain.

    Qadyanis were killed like several Muslims killed in Pakistan in past 5 years by bomb blasts and drone attacks. Moron s like you hide in toilets when some one asks you to condemn drone attacks and here you are becoming a champion of humanity for Qadyanis only?

    hey I just called them Qadyani. When are you going to send me in Hell by using your miraculous fatwa?
    what kind of upbringing you had which taught you to cry for killing of minorities only but not for majority? I think being a majority in Pakistan is a sin. As long as you are a minority you will be getting enough sympathy from those who don’t even know a sh it bout it

  93. Pakistani says:
    May 29th, 2010 4:15 pm

    I guess Adnan Siddiqi is now Umar Raheem. New name, same stinking tricks of defending murderers of Pakistanis. He will bring up the boogey of the drones (which everyone opposes anyhow) but dance in joy at the murders of Pakistanis in attacks by Taliban in Lahore, Karachi, Peshawar, Quetta, everywhere!

  94. REPEAL SECOND AMENDMENT says:
    May 29th, 2010 4:49 pm

    Repeal Second Amendment to the Constitution of Pakistan.

  95. Capri5315 says:
    May 29th, 2010 4:57 pm

    I think the poem attributed to Pastor Martin Niemöller if adopted in the current situation in Pakistan would read:

    “THEY CAME FIRST for the Christens,
    and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Christen.

    THEN THEY CAME for the Shias,
    and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Shia.

    THEN THEY CAME for the Ahmadis,
    and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t an Ahmadi.

    THEN THEY WOULD COME for the Barelvis,
    and I wouldn’t speak up because I am not a Barvli.

    THEN THEY WOULD COME for the Deobanis,
    and I wouldn’t speak up because I am not Deoband.

    THEN THEY WOULD COME for me
    and by that time no one would be left to speak up.”

    Partially we all are to blame. We never question the hate mongers. We living in the West should question the self-serving committees /Imams running our Islamic Centres and mosques, and bunch of hypocrite and bigots politician when they come over to west.

  96. Lutf says:
    May 29th, 2010 6:23 pm

    Official statement from Jamaat Ahmadiyya Pakistan.. All major news channels seem to be present… Do let me know if any of them have shown this in Pakistan.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnYFx8awE_A

  97. Rasheed says:
    May 29th, 2010 7:19 pm

    I’d like to remind my Ahmadi brothers and sisters and their supporters to remember an incident in the life of the Prophet Muhammad, Peace be upon him, when he wanted to spread the message of the Truth in a dwelling called Taif. The opponents pelted him with stones until blood flowed down from his head to his heels, and let their dogs loose against him. Asked by an angel that if he so wished, Allah would roll the nearby mountains over the town, destroying them, the Prophet said that the people were doing it to him because they thought it was the right thing to do, and he impolored God to not be angry with his tormenters, and instead, to guide them to the Truth.

    I have yet to find any human being in the world who respects and loves the Arabian Prophet Muhammad like the Ahmadi Muslims do. Therefore, I am confident that, reminded of the lofty ‘Uswah of the Khatamun Nabiyyeen, they would follow his footsteps.

    The Ahmadiyya Khalifah has also advised all Ahmadi Muslims (on website alislam.org) to respond with prayers. Inshallah, if you are Truthful, God will be your defense in the future. The blood of your Shaheeds will fertilize Allah’s spiritual gardens to make the land of Pakistan a far more peaceful place than it is now.

    I hope you will not hold this against Pakistan as a whole, which has a lot of good people who do not hate Ahmadiyya Islam. I hope that if a natural disaster, such as a flood or earthquake now strikes Pakistan, you will pray for the safety of this precious land, as you always have. And I hope that you will stand in defense of Pakistan, like you have always done before, if a foreign power now attacks Pakistan, if you catch my drift. It will be a complicated situation, though. But that self-restraint is the only (greater) “jihad” you are allowed by your prophet Ahmad when he refered to the “yada’ul harb” hadeeth (as reported by Bukhari) and ascribed to Islam’s founding Prophet Muhammd (peace be upon them)

    On a practical note, repealing the disgusting and primitive laws against the Ahmadis may be a good start to mend fences, seriously. It’s about time that some of the energy of ATP be used to call for that action!

  98. Haroon says:
    May 29th, 2010 7:58 pm

    My thanks to Umar Raheem for openly accepting that Ahmadis are Muslims and accepting that their murder is just like the murder of all other Muslims. I think we all need to speak out as Umar Raheem has and accept that all kalima goh are Muslims and the only ones who are not are the terrorists like the Taliban and other groups who incite and commit violence. Thank you Umar Raheem.

  99. libertarian says:
    May 29th, 2010 9:46 pm

    “Punjabi Taliban” owning up so quickly and the assigning of blame without consequences smells funny. The target – hapless, non-reactionary Ahmadis – adds to the weirdness. Throw in the commando-like tactics and training of the killers. The arrow of suspicion points to the Pak military: up the confusion without risking too much of a backlash. Distract Amreeka from Shahzad Faizal and North Waziristan.

    An attack of this complexity is not done in hot blood. It’s calculated political move. Who stands to gain from this? Not the TTP. It’s the Army.

  100. Abraham Rogers says:
    May 29th, 2010 9:47 pm

    I am a Christian, but I am impressed by the faith of the Ahmediya, In the midst of great persecution they are professing faith in Allah and showing restraint. They are not making calls for revenge or seeking an eye for an eye. Just like the early Christians who were persecuted in the most terrible ways by Nero, these attacks will Insha’Allah only serve to strengthen their faith and community.

  101. readinglord says:
    May 29th, 2010 11:02 pm

    Thank you Adil Najam and Owais Mughal! And comentator, deva! You have all followed ‘Uswa-e-Hussain’ in standing up against the worst Yazidiyat of Paky hatemongers as I gather from the comments read by me upto page 3.

    This horrible event at Ahmadia Masajid is a veritable holocaust which has exposed the evilness of the hatemongers of this Pakiland. This is the climax of the evil of the 2nd Amendment (Takfiri Fatwa) which gave Mullah the power to make the faith of all muslim citizens of Pakistan questionable and even to declare them, selectively, to be ‘waajibul-qatl’.

    The role of pakymedia in reporting this holocaust, a veritable Karbala, is alsodeplorable, to say the least. Most deplorable is the role of the Chief Minister of Punjab, as he could not call those killed as murdered or ‘halaak’ even but said contemptuously ,”Jo marr gaey hein”. I would suggest to observe a ‘Sog’ for seven days, at least, for this shameful act for which we are somehow all Pakies responsible.

    This holocaust has in fact proved to the world that we Pakies are not a civilised nation. O God! We are ashamed to be Pakistanies today!

  102. Lubna says:
    May 30th, 2010 1:29 am

    Ghamdi on Ahmaddiya. Really worth watching. Sensible stand.
    http://bit.ly/9jC562

  103. May 30th, 2010 1:56 am

    I would be quoting Omar(RA) here:


    “From the servant of Allah and the Commander of the Faithful, Omar: The inhabitants of Jerusalem are granted security of life and property. Their churches and crosses shall be secure. This treaty applies to all people of the city. Their places of worship shall remain intact. These shall neither be taken over nor pulled down. People shall be quite free to follow their religion. They shall not be put to any trouble…”

    So incase if such attacks have been carried out by Muslims, I believe they have forgot what Omar(RA) said in past and they need to refresh it in the memory. But I guess my voice will go in vein because just like Pakistani left continues to show their extreme part by ridiculing a religion, Pakistani right,specially Pakistani talibans have been doing same. And as I always say, who has been funding them constantly that they have been able to have emos and weapons.

    @Pakistani: I guess like many radical liberals you are now suffering from “Adnan phobia” because you like any other psuedo intellectual believes that every one who negates the hypocrisy and bigotry of liberals is a Mullah or Taliban supporter. Keep living in delusional world as it never hurts me.

    As far as “hiding” myself in other alias, well unlike “brave”[read cowards] liberals who come in nicks like “Pakistani”,”Musalman”,”Watan Dost”,”readinglord” and several other aliases, I usually use my original name when ever I comment on this forum or any other forum. Even Adil knows it well that in past 3/4 years I never used a different alias so people like you who don’t even have courage to expose your faith and name do not sound good to blame me for something which I am not even aware of. I guess you would have to face tough time because there are several Pakistani Muslims who oppose liberals’ hypocritical attitude, so you are free to name every one as “Adnan Siddiqi”,I am just honored. ;)


    And your claim that liberals “oppose” drones , may I ask where? show me posts here which were “dedicated” to drone victims?

    Let’s not curse those who are exposing your hyporitical path because condemning every one as a “Taliban supporter” is just making you to join ranks of those who you despise like a faith,I am talking about Mullahs

  104. pakistani atheist says:
    May 30th, 2010 2:09 am

    these are dark days upon pakistan and i truly feel bad for peacefull practcing muslims who are minding their own business and another muslim is killing them cause of whatever reasons…..it is getting harder and harder for muslims to convince that islam is peacefull religion….i wish best of luck to all pakistanies cause we all need luck now…….i will recomend all of you to read “Eclipse of the Sunnis” by Deborah Amos and it seems to me some forces wants to start a civil war in pakistan a sectarian war between minorities and sunni majority…..

  105. Neena says:
    May 30th, 2010 2:11 am

    So now Taliban are encouraging to kill everyone. They’re
    becoming quite invincible.

    PESHAWAR: The Taliban on Saturday claimed responsibility for attacks on Ahmedis’ prayer facilities in Lahore that left over 90 people dead on Friday.

    “Congratulations to the whole nation on what the brave mujahideen did yesterday in Garhi Shahu and Model Town, Lahore,” Taliban spokesman Muhammad Omar said in a statement.

    He said, “On the whole, we do like to encourage the nation for increasing such activities, like targeted killings of qadianis, shias, the political parties that support them, as well as law enforcement agencies, the Pakistan Army and other racist parties.”

    He also warned the Muttahida Qaumi Movement of attacks, calling it a “terrorist wing of qadianis and Jews”.

    “They are responsible for destruction of the country and the nation. We are encouraging assassination attacks on everyone who is with the MQM,” the Taliban statement said. http://tinyurl.com/2unr4yy

  106. May 30th, 2010 3:19 am

    BHUTTO DIDN’T MAKE ANY MISTAKE

    The recent killings of AHMADIS, a minority religion in Pakistan is surely very bad and every citizen of Pakistan condemns this. The Punjab government has definitely raised the spirits of the terrorists especially “SIPAAH-E-SAHABAH”. But it is strange that media has played its “EXTRA POSITIVE ROLE” in this situation and this “EXTRA POSITIVE ROLE” has become “EXTREME NEGATIVE” role from the prospective of our religion and from the prospective of our love to PROPHET MUHAMMAD (S.A.W.W).

    I am also strange that media persons criticized ZULFIQAR ALI BHUTTO and even strange that in LUBP also, some people have said that it are the “GRAVE MISTAKE” of ZULFIQAR ALI BHUTTO to declare AHMADIS the non-Muslims. Some say that it is the ERROR, FAULT or WRONG DEED of ZULFIQAR ALI BHUTTO to make AHMADIS non-Muslims according to constitution 1973.

    It is true that terrorism is the root of the evil and every person, every sect and every RELIGION has freedom to adopt its own theories, believes or religious doctrines but after all we are Pakistani and Muslims. We are the sole nuclear power in whole Islamic world. We have conducted the single most successful OIC conference in Pakistan (Lahore) in Bhutto’s regime in 1974. Israel thinks Pakistan to be the biggest threat for it and JEWS even bigger than IRAN & ARABIAN GULF countries. We are proud of it today and it is mostly because of the efforts of ZULFIQAR ALI BHUTTO.

    AHMADIS have their own 2 big sects and one of its sect was distributing its literature with FOREIGN JEW & CHRISTIAN resources constantly in Pakistan in which it was clearly written that “THE LAST PROPHET OF ALLAH IS HAZRAT MIRZA AHMAD QADIYANI”. For the information of the readers, it was continued from almost 1950 till Bhutto’s government arrived. The students of BZU MULTAN & NISHTAR MEDICAL COLLEGE MULTAN were on the tour of JHANG where AHMADIS gave their literature and written AHMADI DOCTRINE to them. Students refused to take it then AHMADIS tried to give it by force which resulted in a protest of the students where the students were tortured. It was also a big “TERRORISM” of that time.

    It was very irritating for the whole public of Pakistan and Pakistani public was blessed with a true leader ZULFIQAR ALI BHUTTO in that time. It was very bad for the Muslims of Pakistan to see the literature and ideologies in which HAZRAT MUHAMMAD (S.A.W.W) was not the last prophet of ALLAH but it was MIRZA AHMAD QADIYANI. It was more irritating that the 12 IMAMS were criticized in that literature along with ALI IBN E ALI TALIB which is thought to be the REAL INSPIRATION in every sect of Muslims.

    AHMADIS didn’t apologized on that “TERROR ATTACK” and they continued their work more bravely so it was the need of the time to control the conflict and further battle between MUSLIMS & AHMADIS and it was a great challenge for ZULFIQAR ALI BHUTTO. PPP & whole nation at that time. All political parties, the representatives of all sects and all parties whether religious or not, were being gathered by ZULFIQAR ALI BHUTTO. It was day & night work for them all and finally they achieved a MILESTONE in the history of this world that they made “DEFINITION” of the “MUSLIM”.

    The definition is simple and it is proved from the HOLY QURAN. According to Pakistan constitution 1973, the Muslim is that one who believes in the oneness of ALLAH & who believes that PROPHET MUHAMMAD (S.A.W.W) is the last prophet of ALLAH. Which ever sect or party don’t believes that HAZRAT MUHAMMAD (S.A.W.W) is the last prophet of ALLAH is not Muslim no matter whether he believes him (s.a.w.w) as prophet but not the last. So it was the big achievement of the ZULFIQAR ALI BHUTTO indeed not a mistake and this point must be remembered by every writer and reader here.

    Here I don’t mean that one should AHMADIS but my point is only that according to the LAW of Pakistan

    1) AHMADIS can’t give their AZAAN in loud speaker.
    2) AHMADIS can’t declare their “WORSHIP PLACE” as “MOSQUE”.
    3) AHMADIS can’t declare themselves as “MUSLIM”.
    4) AHMADIS can’t publish their literature publically.
    5) AHMADI is a minority religion in Pakistan.

    SO my point is only that please don’t say them “AHMADI MUSLIMS” and don’t say their religious places and their worship places as “MOSQUE”. They are victimized by terror attacks and they are innocent in this situation it is true. They are citizens of Pakistan and they have right to have their own faiths and believes. We have AHAMDIS on which we and whole nation is proud like DR. ABDUS SALAM & CH. ZARAR. But it is our responsibility to state the real truth. We should not forget that it is written in the HOLY QURAN about PROPHET MUHAMMAD (S.A.W.W) “THE KHATAM UN NABBIYEEN” i.e. THE LAST PROPHET WHO HAS ENDED THE SERIES OF THE PROPHETS, so we should condemn the terrorism but we should not forget our limits.
    We are with our AHMADI brothers in this time of distress for them it was really great shock for whole the nation. Islam never taught this. PUNJAB GOVERNMENT should stop backing the “SIPAAH-E-SAHABA” and it should take strict actions against terrorists and all religions should be safe in Pakistan.

    MUHAMMAD AMJAD RASHID

    http://www.bhuttowisdom.blogspot.com

  107. Mango Man ( aam admi) says:
    May 30th, 2010 4:11 am

    ‘Ultimately, the person who is killed is not a Pakistani or Indian or American or even Muslim or Jew or Christian or even Barelvi or Ahmadi or Wahabi.’

    Of course. But the agenda followed by your blog should be of Pakistaniat. Qadiyanis have become ‘active’ in recent days promoting their brand of Islam on buses etc in Europe and America. We should all remain loyal towards Pakistan instead irrespective of belief.

  108. Afzal says:
    May 30th, 2010 5:28 am

    These condolences will not do any good to Ahmadi’s. The issue is to stop hate speech against Ahmadis and brain washing of the Madras students to kill Ahmadis. Target killing of Ahmadis has been going on for 2 decades now and in most of the cases killers have not been captured. These killing are done because some ignorant Mullah brain wash his students and provoke them to kill innocent Ahmadis…
    Well, the responsibility of the Media and blog like these is to report these incidents because if you are not reporting such incidents you are actually participating in it.
    Pakistani community has zero tolerance level. I can count dozens of time when i have been distributed pamphlets containing hate speech against Ahmadis. These hate speech are included in the racist remarks against any community and I think like in most of the civilized countries it is a crime to provoke people to kill anyone without any reason……
    So, the basic point is to clear the misconception about Ahmadis and give them at least equal right that have been given to other minorities..

  109. a muslim says:
    May 30th, 2010 7:08 am

    TO THOSE WHO SUPPORT 2ND CONSTITUTIONAL AMMENDMENT, BECAUSE LAW WAS PASSED BY GOVERNMENT AND NATIONS ELECTED POLITICIANS.

    I guess you SUPPORT SWISS government for banning minarets in mosques.
    I guess you SUPPORT BELGIUM government for banning veil/niqab/burqa.
    I guess you SUPPORT FRENCH government for banning Hijab

    AND I GUESS YOU WILL SUPPORT DANISH GOVERNEMENT FOR BANNING HOLY QURAN OR AT LEAST SOME OF ITS VERSES AND CHAPTERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  110. L. Abedin says:
    May 30th, 2010 8:58 am

    I am not surprised this has become a place where qadianis have assembled to gain some political mileage out of the sad incident in Lahore.

    I condemn that as a human, Pakistani and Muslim. Yet, in my mind there is NO confusion that they are not Muslims. Sorry but there is no compromise on the finality of Prophethood.

    Can the Qadianis here explain this???

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/75782188@N00/2657428499/in/set-72157602322342761/

    Thanks.

  111. Obaid1 says:
    May 30th, 2010 9:20 am

    With government like this, who needs enemies?

    Culpable role of PML-N in Lahore’s Ahmadi massacre

    http://criticalppp.org/lubp/archives/11797#comments

  112. Mohammad says:
    May 30th, 2010 9:34 am

    God Bless Pakistan… Its been more than 30 years that pakistan had experienced 1 day without a blast or a disaster. I see this incident is nothing less than what happened in Rawalpindi in 1988 (Ojhri Disaster). Now, it is a the worshipers Attach in 2010 and may Allah be our savours in future. But I always find it hard to digest that Gorvenrment is/was not able to stop it… Or is it the conspiracy where they want the people of Pakistan to feel the terror. I will like to ask any of you who could remind me one insident that our intelligence have managed to contain before it was a disaster. Learn something from Americans, how they contained the situation of Time Square (althought it was an american doing anoter american).

    However, I think our Pakistan intelligence should be the one’s who are responsible for all the lifes lost from the beginning of the Pakistan and until now. They are the onces not doing their jobs right or maybe their superiors or maybe its Mr. 10% not good enough to keep a law & order in the Country he claims to be running. Its a shame for u and being a Pakistan I pray that May Allah protect us from many more such tragedies to follow, unless the intelligence start to take it seriously.

  113. Mudassar says:
    May 30th, 2010 10:50 am

    Video of Taliban attack from inside Mosque:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oe0YsjTdrtg&feature=player_embedded#!

  114. Qadir says:
    May 30th, 2010 11:06 am

    Yes, it is time to speak out. I am a Sunni, but I do not understand why we have to kill and maim each other for silly firqa bandi. The real fitna in society are those who create hate.

  115. Faizan says:
    May 30th, 2010 11:16 am

    There is really only one way out of this mess. We have to, have to, make religion a personal affair and let it be left to God.

  116. Mudassar says:
    May 30th, 2010 1:37 pm

    Taliban claim responsibility for Lahore attacks Staff Report Sunday, May 30, 2010
    http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=20105\30\story_30-5-2010_pg1_3

    PESHAWAR: The Taliban on Saturday claimed responsibility for attacks on Ahmedis’ prayer facilities in Lahore that left over 90 people dead on Friday.

    “Congratulations to the whole nation on what the brave mujahideen did yesterday in Garhi Shahu and Model Town, Lahore,” Taliban spokesman Muhammad Omar said in a statement. He said, “On the whole, we do like to encourage the nation for increasing such activities, like targeted killings of qadianis, shias, the political parties that support them, as well as law enforcement agencies, the Pakistan Army and other racist parties.” He also warned the Muttahida Qaumi Movement of attacks, calling it a “terrorist wing of qadianis and Jews”. “They are responsible for destruction of the country and the nation. We are encouraging assassination attacks on everyone who is with the MQM,” the Taliban statement said.

  117. Mudassar says:
    May 30th, 2010 1:45 pm

    Terror in Lahore
    Dawn Editorial
    Saturday, 29 May, 2010

    If television crews can reach the scene of an attack before police reinforcements, what does that say about the administration’s state of preparedness? –

    Yet another attack in Lahore has killed scores of people and left over 100 injured. Poor security has plagued the city for a couple of years now. The same grim questions arise. Why were the attackers able to enter the premises so easily, especially at sites known to be targets? The Ahmadi community was commemorating the death anniversary of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad earlier this week, so surely more security was warranted for houses of prayer. More generally, reports from Lahore suggest that banners denouncing religions other than Islam had appeared in parts of the city recently. This should have in any case put the authorities on a heightened state of alert.

    What have the Punjab police done to improve their operation procedures to respond to an attack? Yesterday, angry scenes at the assault sites were reminiscent of previous attacks in Lahore — ordinary, helpless people unable to understand why they the victims were left at the mercy of militants. If television crews can reach the scene of an attack before police reinforcements, what does that say about the administration’s state of preparedness?

    There have been wholesale changes, summary dismissals and major reshuffles in most other departments of the Punjab government. But the police seem immune, despite their poor track record. Simply dismissing or suspending officers is obviously not enough, and in any case due process needs to be followed. The real question is: why this lax attitude towards the one department, the police, that is responsible for protecting the lives and property of the citizens of Lahore?

    Finally, why is it that nothing ever seems to come of the arrests made, of the gunmen themselves but also their accomplices? Convictions secured in anti-terrorism courts are often overturned on appeal by the superior judiciary. Sometimes it’s the evidence that isn’t collected with care, other times statements are recorded improperly. Surely, the Punjab government — though this isn’t a problem confined to just this province — needs to at least provide some justice and closure to the victims and their families. Anyway you look at it, it’s a wretched picture, past, present and future.

    http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/the-newspaper/editorial/21-terror-in-lahore-950-sk-08

  118. Mudassar says:
    May 30th, 2010 1:49 pm
  119. deva says:
    May 30th, 2010 2:29 pm

    @ M Amjad rasid, @ a muslim, @ L abdedin, @mango man

    @ all who for whome this incident is a place to debate whether “ahmedis are msulim or not, what literature thet are distributing in USA and EU, and whether there place is a mosque or not”

    People like you represent a sizeable class of Pakistanis whose values have been systematically changed and the class you belong to has little compassion, little respect for human life and your biggest GOD is your dogma, your insistence that your set of beliefs are the right. In fact you are the very people who would justify anything in the name of your GOD. for you beliefs and dogmas, quran and haadis, are the end in itself. The greatest problem with people like you is that islam is the end in itself for you. it is the value in itself. This is why everything has to be subservient to this dogma of islam and quran and hadis.

    Now there is a slowly evolving class of people like me also, our hearts cry when any human life is lost and we see no ahmedi, christian and sunni, shia in that loss. why though i am not ahmedi, i am disgusted by your veiws? cause there is a difference between your class and my class.

    BUT WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PEOPLE LIKE ME, WHAT IS THE DIVIDING LINE BETWEEN MUSLIMS LIKE YOU AND MUSLIMS LIKE ME.

    first i will tell you what is the difference and then i will tell you the secret that why this difference is there.

    The WHAT part:
    the difference is
    1. i have no qualms accepting ahmedis as muslims cz for muslims like me it the matter between allah and his people. God forbid i dont falsely presume the job of a prophet or wali to police faith of his creation.

    2. i dont fret in rage, and my ego does not bleed when swiss ban minerates, cz for me allah is in heart, and mosques and minatres are symbol of religious pride that feeds our ego and service our arrogance moreso than allah. those who fret on churches, and synagogues, and masjids do so for their egos than for ALLAH, or Jesus, or David or whosoever they pledge their allegiance with.

    3. I have no problem for french and belgium banning hijab. cause it is their country and they have the right to make laws. like we force foreigner to cover heads and legs and arms in saudia arabia and iran and so many other muslims countries, like we force others to bow to our culture, like we are intolerant of others way of life, like we are not generous to grant freedom to others to live the way they like, IN THE EXACT SAME SPIRIT, we should be ready to play by others rule when we go to others’ land. Hence, those who cant take their hijaab’s off should gracefully leave, like we expect those foreigners who cant wear hijaab to leave our holy and pure lands. Also, i see covering face like ninjas no part of islam. so i have least sympathy with this particular freedom (to be not a human but mere sign of man’s lust) taken away, somebody needs to tell these ninjas that it is 21st century and the only crime in showing your face is the embracing of a fact that you are human first and foremost, woman second, and object of lust never. Wearinh hijaab in france is for me merely a political statement that i am an orthodox muslims, and i dont care about your country and culture, and i will rather bend you to my culture than yours. cause hijaab in france does not make you less conspicous (the very objective of paardah) but in fact makes you object of everyone’s attention.

    4. I have never apologized for taliban, and their pawns such as faisal shazad, afia siddiqui, and etc etc.

    5. i have also not boycott facebook for a silly page.

    6, 7,….the list goes on.

    Now WHY the difference part

    the difference is that for people like me islam is not the “ultimate value”, for people like me “quran is not the end in itself”, for people like me “haadis or sunnah is not the final destiny”. for people like me the ultimate value is humanity and respect for life, ethics, fairness and justice. and this is what our beliefs are supposed to teach and this is the merit with which we even judge god, allah, quran, tafseer, fatwa, ijtihaad, and dogmas.

    this is no trivial difference though. this very difference in our ultimate value makes the two classes different. one class of muslim becomes a dogmatic fanatic, irrational opinion makers, and the other a tolerant human beings able of self-reflection, self-criticism, capable of questioning and weighing everything on some universal values of humanity and justice. this very difference make people like you come here and mercilessly talk down about ahmedies and their conspiracies in the day of this mayhem and it enables people like to never lose sight of humanity.

    for when humanity is the ultimate value one is saved from the steely clenches of dogma and blinding rage of ego. cause when one is free of dogma one can be honest to see facts in a balanced way, assume responsibility for failures, be willing to give what he demands, and be courageous to be fair and just.

    and in coming days the battle would be between people like you and people like us. cause the divide is growing and our battle is between precedence of humanity over dogma, the battle between islam and freedom and peace.

    we will see who wins this battle but if people like you win, there would be nothing to celebrate cause Pakistan will lay in burnt ashes of dogma, ego, oppressive islamists, and blind intolerance. If people like me win, there will be some hope for a future where the ultimate supermacy is of a human life cause for this very value all religions were sent and all prophets toiled their lives away.

    The war has just begun!!!!!

  120. Mudassar says:
    May 30th, 2010 2:49 pm

    A Taliban apologist perspective on the Ahmedi massacre in Lahore
    http://criticalppp.org/lubp/archives/11739

  121. layman says:
    May 30th, 2010 8:18 pm

    @Deva. I am inclined to believe that most ordinary pakistanis are like you. Well said!!

  122. Sajjad Junaidi says:
    May 30th, 2010 8:20 pm

    Deva, very well said. I don’t think I should write anymore because you have put everything quite eloquently.

  123. Fareedi says:
    May 30th, 2010 10:31 pm

    Rasool Allah (SAW) and Quran El Kareem is againt Killing/Slaying of a fellow human being.

    “lakum deenakum wali-adeen” ayah (ie unto you your deen and unto me mine).

    Are we the followers of Islam (Peace) ? or

    We follow I- Slam (To hit or strike with great force).

  124. May 31st, 2010 1:49 am

    tsk tsk. I have gone thru comments people have made so far and infact it saddened and perplexed me what are they trying to say.

    I read a “masterpiece” of a “self-acclaimed” scholar named Deva who put a dot that qadyanis are Muslims.

    It’s so unfortunate that media and pseudo enlightened people over here are more busy to use this massacre opportunity to “advertise” Qadyanis as “Muslims” that’s why I have been reading/watching in media(print,Internet and digital) where people are more busy to discuss that why a “Masjid” was called an “Ibadatgah” or why Qadyanis can’t be called “Shaheed”..or Blasphemy Laws should be repealed etc etc.

    This is Sick! totally sick! I mean! were you guys waiting for such incident so that you can cash to promote your agenda and start a useless propaganda? If that’s the case then it’s an “inside job” to kill few Qadyanis so that one could put that case forward to “legitimize” the sick attempt of a self acclaimed “Prophet” whose all prophecies went false.

    I am surprised to see that at one side people curse Mullahs to give fatwa while they themselves busy to declare who is a Muslim and who is not! Definitely only Allah knows the best but when discussions carried on,people talk on basis of principles. Today I can’t claim a Christian as a “Kaafir” because who knows he would have embraced Islam and hiding it due to various reasons? Former Yusuf Yuhanna and today’s Muhammad Yusuf is the classical case when he kept his new faith hidden for few years. So true, i can’t comment who is a Muslim but atleast I have right to discuss whether Christianity could be consider Islam or whether Qadyanism should be considered Islam? I can’t declare a Qadyani non-Muslims but I can clearly declare Qadyanism, the teachings brought by Mirza Qadyani 2 centuries back,a non-Muslim teachings and I don’t need to go in details, there are two of many things which technically keep them out of boundary of Islam.

    1- Islam says that Muhammad(saw) is the last Prophet and no prophet will come after Him. Whoever(be it Qadyani or a Muslim) believes that more Prophets will come then he is out of Islam. Qadyanism believes in that Mirza godforbid is a prophet who brought teachings similar to Muhammad. Those who are whining and debate against it should read the Qadyani literature first.

    2- Islam says that Jesus(AS) is alive and lifted upwards and will come back in later times. Qadyanism that Jesus(AS) is buried in Srinagar while in reality Jesus(AS) would burry in Madina at same place where Prophet Muhammad(saw) along with his two companions are buried.

    So technically Qadyaniat is not Islam no matter how much you guys cry, no matter how much you guys curse Mullahs. Go and read Islam, go and brush up your knowledge about Qadyani belief. 3 years back on same site I argued with links of Qadyani belief that how are they different from Islam.

    So kindly don’t put your wick3d efforts to prove something which us unprovable and kindly concentrate on the matter itsself. Whether the current incident was brutal? Offcourse and there is no second thought about that. Whoever did it MUST be punished but don’t use this incident to “cash” your agenda.

    My 2 cents

  125. Rubina says:
    May 31st, 2010 2:11 am

    So, the way to save Islam is to indiscriminately kill those who proclaim their love for Islam!

    Wonderful logic.

  126. auk says:
    May 31st, 2010 3:43 am

    “alyom akmaltu lakum dinukum” (today I have perfected your religion) was revealed back in 620-622 AD and not in 1908. While we are at it, I am wondering if any of my Qadiani friends can elaborate this as well. What Islam are we talking about here – the Islam of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH), or something else?

  127. Everybody's DAD says:
    May 31st, 2010 9:49 am

    @Adnan

    I think the larger issue is in condemning acts of violence, not really whether Ahmediyyat constitutes Islam or not. One doesn’t have to accept a certain person’s theological perspective in order to consider them human beings worthy of respect.

    And there’s been no lack of ‘real’ authentic Muslims dying in Pakistan either in the past couple of years.

    Its wrong for ANY Pakistanis to die at the hands of drones, bombs or terrorist incidents.

  128. Obaid1 says:
    May 31st, 2010 10:05 am

    زرد ستارہ پہنائے لوگ

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/urdu/2010/05/post_631.html

  129. deva says:
    May 31st, 2010 1:03 pm

    @ adnan siddiqi

    everyone knows you are getting either money from hazbit tahir or jui or some werewolf cult. Your reality is revealed here. and even if you change your name we can smell your stink.

    (http://criticalppp.org/lubp/archives/11739

    ironically, you bend and twist what is in quran and not. your ignorance is revealed for instance from the fact that you said that it is written in quran that jesus is alive and will come back. I have read quran with translation several times, can u please give me the verse where it says that. In fact some muslim scholars dont beleive in it. Go read Javed Ghamedi.

    Yes we are self proclaimed humanitarian. May I know who gave certificate of authenticity to your esteemed scholars such as Zakir Naik, Qazi ahmed, osama bi lanaat. Jahil online.

    I think you are very afraid and scared, as you see that we have seen that you stink. I think you cannot tolerate that some people have brain in their heads unlike you who has stinking puss in head instead of brain. You are afraid that you are losing control and you regret that some people are way smarter to figure out your disgusting game. go be afraid and shiver in some corner cause people are not as dumb as you think them to be.

    As i said our values are different. Your values are oppression, condemnation, fasaad, zulam and our value is justice, respect for freedom and human life.We are at moral war or Jehad with likes of you.

    and please stopping quoting quran and sunnah from cheaply published, do anay ki books of your fake scholars who have empty upper chambers and greedy fat potta bellies hiding lot of halwa and oil money in it.

  130. May 31st, 2010 1:34 pm

    @Deva: LOL. Oh God! I am getting famous! AbuNishaPuri ka Bus Chalay tu har Sunni Musalman ko Taliban aur Har Shia ko Momin Banaday. Quoting pro-PPP sites is rather making you further vulnerable. I can provide free services to illiterate PPP bloggers to learn a bit about IP address and tracking which obviously they don’t know at all otherwise one could easily track different users on Internet


    I have read quran with translation several times, can u please give me the verse where it says that. In fact some muslim scholars dont beleive in it

    Oh really?you read Quran several times? Ok so did you read the following:


    [19:29] She pointed to him. They said, “How can we talk with an infant in the crib?”

    [19:30] (The infant spoke and) said, “I am a servant of GOD. He has given me the scripture, and has appointed me a prophet.

    [19:31] “He made me blessed wherever I go, and enjoined me to observe the Contact Prayers (Salat) and the obligatory charity (Zakat) for as long as I live.

    [19:32] “I am to honor my mother; He did not make me a disobedient rebel.


    [19:33] And peace be upon me the day I was born, the day I die, and the day I get resurrected.”

    [19:34] That was Jesus, the son of Mary, and this is the truth of this matter, about which they continue to doubt.

    OOPS Deva! did you read 19:33. Now I don’t need to tell the meaning of “resurrected”, do I?

    Now who is ignorant here and who have brains? I guess you are reading something in the name of Quran written by Ghamdi. Or did Ghamidi just fooled you like Mullahs often fool several Pakistanis here and there?

    I, without brain cells is way better than self-acclaimed people who have brain yet ignorant about what written in Quran. No wonder Quran for you is like a Software Engineering book for an Arts graduate.

    I ain’t here to exercise my “Islamic skills” but don’t make lame attempts to use Quran for your own sake. If you want then atleast do bit home work.
    have fun ;)

  131. deva says:
    May 31st, 2010 2:22 pm

    @ adnan sleepy

    i am really confused now. you gave me bunch of verses which are saying things about Jesus that I never questioned and are irrelevant to the discussion. But you didnt answer my question? so where does it say that jesus is alive and will return.

    lol thats exactly the strategy of people like you ” just ramble on and write so much irrelevant stuff that people get confused. For the record you did nt answer my question. So do you accept now who the ignorant is?

    Are you offended that people outside your salafi mudrassa have the right to read Quran and take Allah’s name without your certification. We understand that you want this right to be taken away and declare everyone who does not follow osama bin lanat’s cult to be a kafir.

    I think its not ahmedis that pretend to be muslim, its you and your satan who have entered muslim’s in the skin of werewolves holding once again Quran on tips of sword to oppress. History is repeating itself.

    were you trained in some wahabee mudrassa? how much money do you get from osama bin lanaat?

    it is ironic that right now i am reading “three cups of tea” and seeing the reality of extremist wahabeesim in it. Do you have four wives and breeding like rabbits to increase aliens like you on earth?

    I think the best thing is to ignore people like you here and dont respond to your comments anymore. This is the only way to convince people of your likes that no one cares about what you spit out from your puss cells.

  132. May 31st, 2010 3:57 pm

    Amazing. I am not willing to get into circular arguments however I would just help you to come out of delusion and read what you said earlier.You said:


    that it is written in quran that jesus is alive and will come back. I have read quran with translation several times, can u please give me the verse where it says that.

    and when I quoted the Quran then you said:


    about Jesus that I never questioned and are irrelevant to the discussion. But you didnt answer my question? so where does it say that jesus is alive and will return.

    Fine,English is not our first language but it should not be an excuse to reject your own last comment. But then you said yourself:


    i am really confused.

    So I forgive your mistake. Most of Ghamidi followers re like that. Most of your comment was based on commenting on ME rather the comment itself which proves you had nothing to say. You don’t even know a bit about me whether am a wahabi or a barelvi or even something else!. No wonder your knowledge about ME is as weak as knowledge about Quran or Zardari/PPP’s knowledge about Good governance itself.

    p.s: A very old and cheap tactic to promote your site(lubp), dear author. have fun ;)

  133. DMN says:
    May 31st, 2010 3:59 pm

    @adnan siddiqi

    “OOPS Deva! did you read 19:33. Now I don’t need to tell the meaning of “resurrected”, do I?”

    I think you do need to tell everyone here what YOUR meaning of “resurrected” is. According to Webster Dictionary, to resurrect means to “bring back from the dead or the grave; to bring back to life”

    If Jesus is alive, as you say, can you please clarify what it means to be “brought back form the dead” in his case?

    Note that the verses you quoted do not say he is alive, only that he lived, died, and will be resurrected. These verses not only do not support your thesis, but contradict it by clearly stating that the man lived, died and will be resurrected, as opposed to lived and keeps living.

    Also note that if your belief is that Jesus lived, died and has already been resurrected (therefore is now living), then you still need to provide supporting verse for that.

  134. disgusted says:
    May 31st, 2010 4:01 pm

    Hmmmm interesting…Deva I would suggest you ignore people like AS…there is no talking to them…remember we were told to ignore the JAHILS….he is one of those
    A person who cannot understand the simple principal of the matter that killing is wrong…esp when they expect every one to respect their faith and their man made blasphemy laws and then they go kill people who they think are wajib-ul katal solely bc they believe in something different than them…..its actually pathetic for them to even quote religion…we know that one of the things about people like this was told long time ago “they will twist quran to their advantage” so these are the people we were warned about that they will bring Islam down on its knees and they have done it with so much vigor and zeal.
    If you cannot condemn killing without blatantly and shamelessly still spewing hate trying to justify your constitutional ban on a sect then you are as bad as people actually firing shots at unarmed unaware humans. I do not care what they believe but as the “ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF PAKISTAN” the one you so proudly present to the world not protecting a minority sect is not justified under any logic.
    Why are you even talking about they are Muslim or not, why? Bc it makes it better??? or justifies killing just bc they are non Muslims…???? This goes right in tune with last years burning of a Christian village bc they supposedly insulted Quran….or are you so ignorant that you forgot that TTP yesterday took responsibility for this attack and have threatened shias in the same press release…I didnt see them threatening Wahabi’s in that release….so I have reasonable cause to believe that only Wahabi’s and people sympathetic to that idealogy are safe in this country…of course in such targeted attacks some people of protected sect will die as well but for your bigger cause that is just collateral damage….I am sure you are basking in the glory of your evil and twisted agenda…..but I hope people wake up soon enough to end your wet dream of global wahabism (evil empire) to a premature halt
    Now you can continue with your apologetic and unhuman agenda and please knock yourself out and type some more of your useless point of view here
    I hope Deva ignores you from now on….and not waste anymore time on you….and happy IP address hunting seems like thats what you do all day long in addition to your other job as a Saudi/Wahabi agent

  135. deva says:
    May 31st, 2010 4:15 pm

    @ adnan jahil troll

    so we all will die and get resurrected, where does quran talk about jesus second coming? this 19:33 can very well be interpreted as jesus being resurrected on qiyamat.

    i dont follow ghamidi, i believe in second coming of jesus with imam mehdi but quran does not talk about it.

    @ adnan jahil
    yes i have nothing to say about you cause the jesus debate was just to show that you quote quran from zakir naik’s book.

    also it does not matter what label you have barlvi, wahabi, salafi. so i dont care about knowing it. all that matter is you are internet terrorist and apologizer of taliban.

    by the way i dont support PPP, neither it was my website. is it too hard to believe that people from diverse backgrounds might smell your stink. do u fail to notice that your idiotic ideologies disgust a wide range of moderate balanced people. but keeping telling yourself that all these are just one person.

    why dont you use your free IPP tracking lesson to go check who originally posted the site that u claim to be by some ppp.

    Trust me you are unpopular in a diverse circle. I hope you enjoy that ;) and have fun. What a moron

  136. AHR says:
    May 31st, 2010 4:47 pm

    What happened in Lahore is truly one of the saddest and heart-wrenching incidents I have ever experienced as a Pakistani. When places of worship no longer carry the sanctity they deserve, the stark divide in religious ideology is made clear in Pakistan. After wandering around various blogs and reading horrible hate posts by people who label themselves as Muslims, I felt compelled to write to the terrorists and their followers directly. It is mesmerizing that there are people in my country who actually applaud the heinous crime of killing innocent people, carrying out a crime against Islam, a crime against Pakistan. I am shocked at the people who have the audacity to support those who kill in the name of our religion, one that bounds my faith for the timeless virtues of tolerance, compassion, and forgiveness.

    http://bit.ly/avZfHU (http://ahraza.wordpress.com)

  137. Obaid1 says:
    May 31st, 2010 7:49 pm

    One more down;

    LAHORE: An Ahmadi man was stabbed to death by an enraged man in Pakistan on Monday, just days after gun, grenade and suicide attacks targeting the religious minority killed more than 80 people, police said.

    http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/news/pakistan/provinces/04-ahmadi-stabbed-narowal-qs-07

  138. Obaid1 says:
    May 31st, 2010 8:12 pm
  139. Fareedi says:
    May 31st, 2010 8:15 pm

    Bravo Deva. Yes!

    please don’t waste your time commenting on a demented, twisted brain looser> Adnan Siddiqui.

    For sure his clan raised him like an assasin and to belive Allah(Subhan a wa Tallah) as mean tyrant God not as Al Rehaman Wa Al Karim, the first thing parents of our eastern culture (Ajammi people) remind us that you go to hell and create a picture of Allah as a big scaray guay waiting to hurt you, on the other side, parents do lie every day when ever phone rings or knock on the door they tell their kids go tell the caller that my mom or dad is not home. They are the people who lie all the time in the name of (Musslehat) the great convinience of religion.
    We know very well that translation of Quran is always limited in its scope due to the limitation of the translator own cultural restraints in translating ancient sacred text, and therefore every school of thought rejects the parallel schools translation. Quran El Karim can be uderstood in its own language original prescritions and Literal translation is not possible grammatical particles (like articles, verb tenses, case markers, singular/dual/plural, etc).
    You are right this guay is not popular here may be popular in Kaccha Pakka maddarssas of unincorporated restricted areas under the control of a Fat belly mullah by appearence look like a charecter of Alif Laila’s Bagdad Ka Chor.
    I know he will call me Infidel or Munafiq,
    Who cares….

  140. Watan Aziz says:
    May 31st, 2010 10:45 pm

    “God save us from people who believe in you”.

    -Anonymous graffiti.

    My respects to those who lost their lives and their loved ones. May all of you find comfort in these trying times. I know no words can lessen your pain.

  141. Qaiser says:
    June 1st, 2010 9:18 am

    On both this and the facebook issue it has become clear that a few mullahs are using their street power to blackmail the entire nation into a behavior that most of us know is wrong. Me must stand up to them.

  142. June 2nd, 2010 12:24 am

    Wow! Liberals Mullahs are pumped up and busy in issuing Fatwa against me!!!

    It’s interesting to note that “brave” liberals who don’t have courage to use their original names and logging in with different fake childish aliases lecturing me for decency and bravery. Deva, I believe this is how you discuss things with your peers as well to “impose” your point of view? By the way, your pott y-mouthness is usually called “Ad hominem Fallacy”. Just Google a bit and you will learn about it.

    Abusing me does not make me any difference at all hence it’s just exposing your blood is boiling and you are ranting up like immature Mullahs who abuse others,declare others Kaafir.

    I wish you would have beaten up and treated well in your childhood by your mom then we would not have seen this day too when you are reflecting the teachings you learnt back at home.

    I was not interested to discuss Quran with you hence it’s quite irritative but since you’re not willing to accept and INSIST that Quran does not talk about Jesus’ second coming ,your claim is usually going false again and again. Allah says in 43:61


    And (Jesus) will be A Sign (for the coming Of) the Hour (of Judgement): Therefore have no doubt About the (Hour), but Follow ye Me: this Is a Straight Path.(43:61)

    No wonder, those who re not willing to follow Sirat Mustaqim(The Straight Path) will often argue like fools what’s written in Quran and What not because they consider Quran a book of recipe by picking up things from one Ayah and conclude every thing.

    The above ayah lays foundation of various hadits by Prophet Muhammad(saw) in which He told us clearly that Qayamat will not come unless and untill Jesus(AS) come back. Now come up with another excuse because you’re in state of denial and won’t admit your mistake.

    And you self-acclaimed smart boy, I have never read Zakir Naik,infact I don’t follow what he talks about so your dumb guess goes wrong.

    Popularity? LOL! I hardly ever imagines that I comment for sake of getting fame or not(that’s other thing that liberal kids like you are provoked and reply me anyway when find no answer.

    Abusing me just exposes your weakness, your helplessness and I really enjoy it. I hardly care of it. Your ancient ancestors even abused and ridiculed The Prophet and His companions,I am still just an ordinary human being.

    Regarding the site you mentioned to make claims,LUBP,s owner Abdul Nishapuri is “publicly sorrying” on his website that he was misguided by some idiots like you of PakTeaHouse. The guy “follows” me on Twitter too and I appreciate he’s admitting his mistakes. Even if he had not taken it back then it was not making a difference

    So my “admirer” have fun! hope to see you with some other alias in next post;). Keep boiling! :-)

  143. deva says:
    June 2nd, 2010 1:34 am

    Ok this is very mature Mr. AS …..
    “I wish you would have beaten up and treated well in your childhood by your mom then we would not have seen this day too when you are reflecting the teachings you learnt back at home.”

    of course you cannot help your violent streak, you like these words beating up a child and kill kill kill

    Using real name is an act of Bravery or stupidity over this world wide web of all kind of “hackers”? hmmmmm i guess there is a thin line between the two and some people really can’t tell which side of the line they are.

    You still did not provide a verse about Jesus is alive and living?

    And one last and important question. let me get is straight. you want everyone to know that you follow quran and sunnah the best. and you are miserably trying to prove that i dont know anything (e.g., by providing strong arguments such as my mother should have beaten me up…). Ok letus hypothetically accept your claim.

    so this is what your quran and sunaah has taught you that instead of condemning the brutal killings of ahmedi muslims you sit here insisting who is muslim and apologize for state-sponsored terrorism. What is the use of your religion if your humanity comes with ifs and buts. Conservative right wings are just like you all around the world. They come in different sizes, shapes, labels and colors. white superamist, zionist, kuttar moulvees. The more on right they are the more if and buts they have when it comes to civil liberties. It is very hard for them to wear an egalitarian lens.

  144. deva says:
    June 2nd, 2010 9:03 pm

    FYI

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_view_of_Jesus‘_death

    in case, you still can’t believe that there is a unified view about Jesus.

  145. Obaid1 says:
    June 2nd, 2010 9:20 pm
  146. Obaid1 says:
    June 2nd, 2010 10:02 pm

    Video of Aftermath of Lahore May 28th Attack
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smUAD9X2lBU

  147. An Ahmadi Muslim says:
    June 3rd, 2010 9:45 pm

    “Tum apnay paas hee rakkho yae faislay apnay, hamain yaqeen hai ooppar bhee ek adaalat hai
    Ussi ke faisalya hee chaltae hain aur chalnay hain, azzal sae lauh pay likkhi huee ebbarat hai”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNmjoVmcM4I

  148. Aliya says:
    June 3rd, 2010 11:21 pm

    Another sad reminder of just how messed up we are. Khuda khair karey aur khuda hifazat karey humari in Islam kay thekedaaroun say.

  149. Obaid1 says:
    June 7th, 2010 3:17 pm

    Ahmadi massacre silence is dispiriting

    I often find myself defending Pakistan against the unbidden prejudices of the outside world. No, Islam is not the cause of terrorism. Yes, the Taliban is a complex phenomenon. No, Imran Khan is not a major political figure.

    This past week, though, I am silent. The massacre of 94 members of the minority Ahmadi community on May 28 has exposed something ugly at the heart of Pakistan – its laws, its rulers, its society.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/belief/2010/jun/07/ahmadi-massacre-silence-pakistan

  150. Majid says:
    June 15th, 2010 6:35 am

    International Herald Tribune censored for using word ‘Mosque’

    Story here; http://cafepyala.blogspot.com/2010/06/point-blank.html

    Censored article is available online; nytimes.com/2010/06/13/opinion/13sethi.html?src=me&ref=opinion

    Height of insecurity.

  151. An Ahmadi Muslim says:
    June 15th, 2010 4:35 pm

    If they can do it, what is your excuse?

    Tara & Bella – The Odd Couple of Animal Kingdom!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0TjfOKnF-c

  152. Obaid1 says:
    June 28th, 2010 11:18 pm

    In this BBC report molvi sahab says Ahmad1s should be killed, but very graciously says killing should be done by Government not by people;

    Pakistan minorities nervous after Ahmed1 mosque attacks
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/10431069.stm

    What a portrayal of Pakistan and Islam.

  153. An Ahmadi Muslim says:
    June 29th, 2010 11:57 am

    Abu Jahals and Abu Lahabs need more human sacrifice to appease their god. Their god certainly is not Allah nor is their religion Islam. Imagine the Rahmatull-lil-alameen, Mohammad (PBUH) sanctioning the killing of innocent people in his honor (NAOOZOBILLAH!).

    “Do men think that they will be left alone because they say, ‘we believe’, and that they will not be tried?
    And we did try those who were before them. So Allah will assuredly know those who are truthful and He will assuredly know the liars.
    Or, do those who commit evil deeds imagine that they will escape Us? How ill they judge!” Al-Ankabut 29:3-5

  154. An Ahmadi Muslim says:
    July 14th, 2010 3:27 pm

    A brilliant expose on PTH “The Hope Of Hermeneutics” for why Pakistan is where it is today.

    An excerpt from the comments section is included. Simply an amazing timeless, universal code of law! And how does the Islamic Republic of Pakistan measure up against this yardstick?

    Just some food for thought!!

    — Comment by the author dated July 13, 10:07pm in response to a commentator —

    Read the letter that the Caliph Ali RA, wrote establishing some core political values a ruler should adopt, his letter to the Governor Malik. ( will include link for this)

    Indeed the letter (UN Legal Committee, member states voted that the document should be considered as one of the sources of International Law).

    So please do not patronize me about ”messing with the religion’s fundamentals”, because the fundamentals of Islam do include egalitarianism.

    I will quote part of Caliph Ali’s (RA) letter here:

    Be it known to you, O, Malik, that I am sending you as Governor to a country which in the past has experienced both just and unjust rule. Men will scrutinize your actions with a searching eye, even as you used to scrutinize the actions of those before you, and speak of you even as you did speak of them. The fact is that the public speak well of only those who do good. It is they who furnish the proof of your actions. Hence the richest treasure that you may covet would be the treasure of good deeds. Keep your desires under control and deny yourself that which you have been prohibited from, for, by such abstinence alone, you will be able to distinguish between what is good to them and what is not.

    Develop in your heart the feeling of love for your people and let it be the source of kindliness and blessing to them. Do not behave with them like a barbarian, and do not appropriate to yourself that which belongs to them.

    Remember that the citizens of the state are of two categories. They are either your brethren in religion or your brethren in kind.

    They are subject to infirmities and liable to commit mistakes. Some indeed do commit mistakes. But forgive them even as you would like God to forgive you. Bear in mind that you are placed over them, even as I am placed over you. And then there is God even above him who has given you the position of a Governor in order that you may look after those under you and to be sufficient unto them. And you will be judged by what you do for them.

    Do not set yourself against God, for neither do you possess the strength to shield yourself against His displeasure, nor can you place yourself outside the pale of His mercy and forgiveness. Do not feel sorry over any act of forgiveness, nor rejoice over any punishment that you may mete out to any one. Do not rouse yourself to anger, for no good will come out of it.

    Do not say: ” I am your overlord and dictator, and that you should, therefore, bow to my commands”, as that will corrupt your heart, weaken your faith in religion and create disorder in the state. Should you be elated by power, ever feel in your mind the slightest symptoms of pride and arrogance, then look at the power and majesty of the Divine governance of the Universe over which you have absolutely no control. It will restore the sense of balance to your wayward intelligence and give you the sense of calmness and affability. Beware! Never put yourself against the majesty and grandeur of God and never imitate His omnipotence; for God has brought low every rebel of God and every tyrant of man.

    Let your mind respect through your actions the rights of God and the rights of man, and likewise, persuade your companions and relations to do likewise. For, otherwise, you will be doing injustice to yourself and injustice to humanity. Thus both man and God will turn unto your enemies. There is no hearing anywhere for one who makes an enemy of God himself. He will be regarded as one at war with God until he feels contrition and seeks forgiveness. Nothing deprives man of divine blessings or excites divine wrath against him more easily than cruelty. Hence it is, that God listens to the voice of the oppressed and waylays the oppressor.

  155. nasir jan says:
    July 25th, 2010 5:30 pm

    Excellent article – it makes you think Pakistan or Mullahstan?

  156. Obaid1 says:
    July 26th, 2010 4:53 pm

    Doctor admits playing role in Lahore attacks

    LAHORE: A detained doctor has confessed playing the role of facilitator in four suicide attacks in Lahore, sources said on Monday. He also admitted having facilitated the terrorists who attacked the hospital to free or kill a comrade who was injured in the May 28 attack in Model Town.

    Sources revealed that Dr Ali Abdullah had been involved in two suicide attacks in Model Town and one in R A bazaar.

    Dr Abdullah also revealed the names of professors who taught him medicine, religious studies and managed his training during his degree at Allama Iqbal Medical College (AIMC) in Lahore.

    While pursuing his medical degree, Abdullah reportedly said he had received armed training in Azad Jammu and Kashmir. The source of his inspiration came in the form of lectures delivered by Professor Zafar Iqbal Chaudhry, allegedly a pioneer of the Jamaat-ud-Dawa (JD).

    Data obtained from the medical college shows that Chaudhry, a professor of medicine, has been teaching at the institution since 2005. Professor Chaudhry is also the chief warden of the AIMC hostel for boys.

    http://tribune.com.pk/story/31327/doctor-admits-playing-role-in-lahore-attacks/

    These terrorists are not illiterates form madrassas but highly educated, well respected well placed people.

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