Posted on December 16, 2010
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37 responses to “December 16, 2010: khoon ke dhabbe dhuleN ge kitni barsaatoN ke baad

  1. fuzair says:

    Imran:

    Sorry, you lost me. I don’t understand your post.

    I said that Khushwant Singh said it had been sent to him from Islamabad but I also said that it had clearly been written by a non-Desi.

    In any case, we also blame everyone but ourselves for our problems.

  2. fuzair says:

    Nadia: I never said that the Army was not brutal: what part of “PA’s indiscriminate and often very brutal use of force” don’t you understand? I was referring to military operations AFTER Operation Searchlight (the assault on Dacca University that you refer to). Even the most rabid Bangal/Indian nationalist doesn’t allege that the PA was carrying out wholesale massacres before 25th March. That was being done by the Awami League against the Biharis–who got their own back with interest by joining the various razakar units organized by the Army.

    In any case, Bangali propaganda does not contradict the Indian’s own casualty estimates for the PA. The Bangali propaganda is usually so third rate that refuting it is trivial. IIRC reading one “first hand” account where the survivor describes the G3 rifles used by the PA soldiers. Now the G3 is indeed the official PA issue rifle… but it was only issued to the Army in the mid1970s (IIRC 1976?). It wouldn’t even have been issued to SSG troops in 1971 as it is completely unsuitable for special forces–too big and heavy for their role.

    Again I am not claiming the PA were angels with insanely restrictive rules of engagement. They weren’t; the Army was absolutely indiscriminate in the use of its (relatively limited) firepower and Bangali civilian casualties were numbered in the tens of thousands. However, these were usually ‘collateral damage’ (to use the American term) and to the extent that killings were “targetted” they were usually of male Hindus (there is a relatively easy but crude way to check).

    The Army in E. Pakistan had no heavy equipment worth talking about: one tank regiment plus an independent squadron IIRC (i.e. ~60+ clapped-out tanks of WWII vintage, mainly Walker Bulldogs ‘bakshed’ to us by Uncle Sam as a way of getting rid of the junk in storage) and the regular artillery component for one division (i.e., one, maybe two?, regiment with WWII equipment as the East was not a priority for the PA) and one PAF squadron (14th squadron IIRC–the PAF had planes shot down by the IAF in Novemver 1971). I know from personal knowledge that much of the heavy equipment in E. Pakistan had originally been condemned by the British after WWII and then salvaged by the PA.

    All the reinforcements sent AFTER Operation Searchlight were sent by air without ANY of their equipment other than personal weapons, LMGs and maybe light mortars (i.e., weapons you can stuff in the cargo hold of PIA passenger planes).

    Anyway, I grow bored trying to educate the uneducatable; believe whatever you want to and don’t let facts get in the way.