Adil Najam
This picture is carried today by both Dawn and Daily Times. Dawn’s title is “Still Heroes” and the caption reads: “Bronze statues of Quaid-i-Azam, Sir Syed Ahmed Khan and Allama Iqbal put on display at the Science and Technology Expo-2007 being held at National Memorial Museum in Shakarparian in Islamabad.”
A visit to the Museum is on the top of my ‘To Do’ list when I return to Islamabad end of the month. I hope they are still there.
My first thought on looking at the picture was to note how both Jinnah and Iqbal are wearing suits here (this penchant of ours – me included – to dress up these guys in the garbs of our desires has been has been quite a remarkable historical see-saw!). My second thought was to wonder what the folks at Lal Masjid and Jamia Hafsa might have to say – or do – about this. I hope there is significant security against vandalism here.
But even more than that, I wonder what these three men are sitting there thinking about what is happening today in the country they helped conceive. Late at night when the museum is closed and the statues come alive and walk about, what is it that they sit together and talk about?
USMAN Lets see how you measure up for the ‘PROOF’. Have you seen Washington monument? Can you explain what it represents?
[quote]By the way, if you call pakistani majlis e shura of bhutto era zani and sharabi and deviant, I’ll be interested to know what you think of the men who drafted the Islamic Sharia during the Ummayad Dynasty.[/quote]
What has this got to do with what we are discussing here? What we are discussing is rights of people and not who is right theologically. You are a lawyer, you should understand the difference.
[quote]Chiniot, my naive friend, is the main stronghold of Qadianis in Pakistan and perhaps the world. Hence my recommendation. [/quote]
Is that so? And how is it naive to ask how is it related to our discussion? More and more I am convinced you are repeating what you have heard from Mullahs instead of talking with reason like a lawyer. Do you really expect people to go to far off places every time they discuss something with you on the Internet?
[quote]About this law’s being a definition of muslim and non muslim: There’s something we call precedence in law. Rulings and laws such as this become a reference guide in deriving the definition or building through negation a description of something. This law clearly defines the Qadiani religion as different from islam, consequentially Qadianis different from muslims.[/quote]
Despite being a lawyer, you must clarify something and please double check with your teacher..this law *does not* seek to define who is a Muslim. There isn’t a definition in this law that you can take and use in general. This law does not even seek to comprehensively define who a non-Muslim is. This law only targets a particular group, against the human right norms, and forces them to stop professing their peaceful beliefs under the pain of punishment thus violating their human rights seriously. Beliefs are personal matters and no assemblies or majorities are allowed to interfere in peaceful beliefs of people. How is it an alien concept for you studying at Loyola and living in US beggars belief. Ever heard of bill of rights? What about concept of civil liberties? Are you willing to be dictated by majority if they claim that your concept of God is a plagiarism of their concept of god and that you should be stopped from believing in the same god as there is a danger of confusing with the concept of god as they believe?
I feel its either of two things here;
1. You know that you are on weak ground and hence deliberately using vague, hastily generalised and incorrect statements, or
2. You are a bad lawyer. :)
What position am I changing? Pray, tell.
The messges are up there for all to see….
Do you have any PROOF or is this one more case of distracting people after giving jhoti gawahi and propaganda for the purpose of defaming others.
By the way, I had also asked what the Islamic punishment is for spreading lies and defaming without proof?
@Nazir: Read Roohany Khazaen and increase your knowledge before blaming others.
Now don’t ask another question “What is Roohany Khazaen?”.
[quote] Qadianis can practice qadianiat all they want,[/quote]
What is Qadiniat? I asked you before but you have avoided the question. Is it what they (Qadianis) decide or is it what you decide for them and impose on them using the above law? In effect ‘qadianiat’ is something that you define for them and force them to follow. The absurdity of this is so obvious but can you give another example in recent history when a state makes up a “religionâ€