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Lahore Rapid Mass Transit Rail Project

Posted on August 20, 2007
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Last month there have been several news items about the Lahore Rapid Mass Transit (LRMT) Rail project. We have tried to gather key information from many of these news items and will present it in the following as one concise post on the topic.

The proposed rail service is the main part of the Lahore Mass Transit System (LRMTS). Other components of this project include the now under construction Lahore Ring Road Project.

The Photo above shows the Route Map of LRMT Phase I – Green Line

The LRMT is a Two-phase, 97 kilometes long project. A Hong Kong based company called MVA Asia Consultancy was hired the government of Punjab as consultants to prepare the project feasibility. The study of MVA Asia Consultancy completed 5% of project design and proposed four Rail lines in the city to share the traffic burden. The proposed capacity of LRMT is going to be able to move 35000 passengers per hour in the city. Funding for the project will be provided by the Asian Development Bank (ADB).


PHASE I:
In Phase-I two tracks will be constructed. One will be a North-South route called the Green Line and other will be a East-West route called the Orange Line.

Green Line:

Green Line is going to cost US $2.4 billion to construct.

The Green Line would extend from Shahdara to Hamza Town via Ravi Road, Lower Mall, Mall Road, Fatima Jinnah Road, Qartaba Chowk and Ferozepur Road areas.


The Photo above shows the Route Map of LRMT Phase I – Green Line

The length of Green Line is going to be 27 km. 11.6 km long Green Line route would be underground, while 15.4 km long would be overhead.

There will be 12 underground and 10 overhead stations built on the Green Line route.


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The completion dates of ‘Green Line’ is in 2011. Initially the project was supposed to finish in 2012 but due to Cricket World Cup od 2012 wher Lahore will be hosting few matches, the Green Line completion date has been pulled in to 2011. Initial estimates are that 227,000 people annually would benefit from the Green line.

In March 2007, Punjab Government invited Dr E. Sreedharan who is the managing director of successfully operating Delhi Metro Rail. After studying the project details Dr Sreedharan has declared Green Line Project as a viable one. He has inspected the first priority line’s route from Shahdara to Hamza Town. In his view, the implementation of the Green Line project (Phase I) would face no major technical difficulty because the soil condition en route was good and roads were wide, having room for underground construction without creating any serious inconvenience to the city.

Orange Line:

Orange Line is going to cost US $1.9 billion.

Its route would extend from Pakistan Mint to Sabzazar via Shahnur, Awan Town, Hinjarwal, Niaz Beg, Canal View, Wahdat Road, Ali Town, Salahuddin Road, Bund Road, Islam Park, Dera Gujjran Depot, Mahmood Booti, Salamatpura, Samanabad, Gulshan Ravi, Chauburji, Lake Road, Lakshami Chowk, Railway Station, Sultanpura, UET, Baghbanpura and Shalimar Garden areas.

The length of Orange Line would also be 27-km out of which, 6.9 km long tracks would be underground, while 20.2 km-long would be overhead upon which six underground and 20 overhead stations would be established.

The central interchange station of Green and Orange lines would also be established besides linking these lines at Ring Road, railway station, airport, and Sports City.

The completion dates of ‘Orange Line’ is in 2015. Initial estimates are that 245,000 people annually would benefit from the Orange Train.

PHASE II:

The completion year for phase II is 2020.

In Phase-II, two more tracks will be laid out. These routes will be called Blue Line and Purple Line.

Blue Line:

The route length of blue line is going to be 24 km. The ‘Blue Line’ will start from Chauburji and end at College Road, sources said, adding that from Chauburji the line would pass through Mozang Chungi, Shadman Chowk, Jail Road, Mian Boulevard Gulberg, Mian Boulevard Garden Town, Faisal Town and end at College Road.

Purple Line:

The route length of Purple line is going to be 19 km. Purple line would start from Bhaati Chowk and end at Allama Iqbal International Airport. The line would pass through Bhaati Chowk, Brandreth Road, Railway Station, Allama Iqbal Road, Dharampura, Ghazi Road and end at Allama Iqbal International Airport

The Train Capacity:

One unit of air-conditioned train will have the seating capacity of 500 passengers.

Stations:

Train stations on the elevated route would be designed like overhead bridges while train stations on the underground route would have two entranceways and two exits.

Environmental Concerns?

Just like with every Mega project, voices of dissent have started appearing for the project where people have shown concern for environment and noise levels of elevated trains. Dawn‘s editorial on Jult 12, 2007 covers these voices very concisely and I’ll quite the editorial here:

The first two lines will cost $3.3 billion. In real terms, the cost of the project is yet to be worked out. Surely, notes of dissent are expected to start pouring in. The economists are going to question the heavy debt the project will incur for the government and the citizens, while the opposition politicians are most definitely going to give their own colour to these lines and the sabza group may soon be out to enumerate the effects of this development on Lahore’s environment. Some of these points may be very valid and should elicit a thoughtful response from the government. There can be no moving ahead without this exercise. The sooner this essential exercise is carried out the better it would be for everyone.

Noise: I couldn’t find the details on expected noise levels around elevated portions of the track but noise is definitely going to travel far and away if sound barriers are not constructed around the tracks. More than normal decibels of noise are already witnessed around Pakistan Railway’s elevated track which runs from Lahore Station to Badami Bagh.

Previous Light Rail Studies or Projects:

The current project is definitely not the first attempt to build a rail based mass transit for Lahore. In 1991 during Nawaz Sharif’s termas prime minister, the feasibility of a light rail transit system was determined by Japanese development organisation (JICA). It had proposed a 13 kilometre long system. The study was reviewed and updated as part of the World Bank funded “Lahore traffic and transport studies” in 1993.

The system’s cost was estimated at about US $400 million, but with better network coverage. In 1995 Japan proposed financing the original scheme with grants and loans of about US $495 million, but the project could not be implemented due to many reasons.

Fares: Back in July 2007, it was reported in Daily Times that Passengers of the Lahore Rapid Mass Transit (LRMT) would be charged Rs 125 to Rs 140 to travel from one end to the other of the 27 kilometre-long Green Line.

“Sources associated with the project told Daily Times on Thursday that this (Rs 125-Rs 140) one-side fare had been calculated after taking into account the rendered $2.5 billion cost of the project, which is expected to be completed by 2011. Sources said that to pay back the loan likely to be incurred on the LRMT project, the government would have to charge high fares from the passengers. Currently, the public transport fare from Kahna to Shahdara is between Rs 20 to 25. By 2011, it would rise between Rs 25 and Rs 30. They said that to charge a passenger of the LRMT Rs 30 for a one-side visit, the government would have to give a subsidy of at least Rs 100 per person, which was not possible for the government.

While Rs 140 one way fare indeed looks ridiculous right now, passengers may end up paying much more than road transport. The benefiit however will be ease of travel, no traffic jams and hopefully a strict adherence to time table.

Hope: Many years ago I took a course in Engineering Economics. I still remember one sentence from my text book. It read as:

“All mega projects should be built as soon as possible after their design is done and funding is secured otherwise opposition to the project grows on POLITICAL basis.”

When we look around the mega projects of Pakistan, it appears so true. If big projecs are not started quickly they never will because somebody will always find a reason to do politics on the issue. In the end we sincerely hope the project sees the light of the day and does not end like the one in works for Karachi (called KMTP/KCR) for the past 33 years. Lets all hope for the best and we will continue to add updates on this project in the comments section below.

References

(1) Metroblogging Lahore
(2) Dawn Editorial of July 12, 2007 here.
(3) The News, February 26, 2006 here.
(4) MVA Consultancy
(5) Business Recorder Edition of June 10, 2007
(6) The Daily Times Edition of March 14, 2006
(7) ZeeNews edition of March 5, 2007
(8) Lahore Signs Light Rail MoU: September 1, 2002.
(9) Daily Times Edition of July 7, 2007

132 Comments on “Lahore Rapid Mass Transit Rail Project”

  1. dawa-i-dil says:
    August 20th, 2007 12:37 pm

    Very glad to hear all that..nice effort by writer to put all chunk into one nice post….

    I am not saying that i live in Lahore..I am telling you honestly…

    Lore Lore aai..badshaho…

    jinnai lore nai daikhaiya ..O jamia naee…

    Traffic problem is adversely affecting this famous city..the spirtual..mystical..political…cultural axis of pakistan…

    The road going staright in Bano bazar..after half a kilometer …reach a main road named as Circular road …a very busy area…there is a underground passage..crossing that..will pass the road…and alongwith top and high red minarate of a mosque known as Muslim Masjid…one will enter the 1000 years old ..and real lahore…Lohari darwaza..i think…but cars cannot be driven inside..as streets are narrow..and centuries old hawalis and homes…5 5 storeies..tall…and so narrow some streets are even two men cannot pass simultaneously…sun rays never reached in these narrow streets…this is real Lahore..the people licvingbhere are for centuries..and considered as real Lori people..having particular extent of Urdu….

    These 12 doors like ….

    *Mochi darwaza

    *Bhatti darwaza

    *Lohari darwaza

    *Shah Alam darwaza

    *Yakki darwaza

    *Sherawala darwaza

    etc etc…

    They all are inter-connected …with thousands of streets and bazars inside…hving real taste…food spots..and tradions of centuries…It is resembled with the ….

    *Baghdad of Caliph Harun Rasheed

    *Khan Khalieli Bazar of Cairo(1000 years old)

    *Bazar-e-Hameedia of damasqus(where Hussain(ra) head was brought to Yazeed..and still exists)

    *Old bazars of sana (Yemen)

    etc etc….

    Alongwith Bhatti Chowk..lies the shrine of famous sufi saint ..Syed Ali Hajveri (Data gunj Bakhs) for about 1000 years old shrine

    But fares are very high..it should be less….

  2. Sridhar says:
    August 20th, 2007 1:57 pm

    Owais:

    Thanks for sharing this information. The cost for the first line seems a little high, but then without full details of the design, it is hard to say that with confidence. For a line of 27 kms, with 11.6 kms underground and the rest elevated, I would think that the cost should be between $1.5b and $1.9b (the latter if there are severe technical challenges, which do not seem to be the case per R. Sreedharan). Perhaps the $2.4b figure is a completion cost (i.e. at actuals and not at 2007 prices), which the $1.9b would imply.

    In any case, cities like Karachi and Lahore would benefit from the development of mass transit, as would the environment. So this is encouraging news. I will look forward to further information on the project.

  3. Aqil Sajjad says:
    August 20th, 2007 3:09 pm

    Another good post.

    I am however worried that the fair of Rs 100 plus will be too much for a lot of people. Can someone provide figures for the cost of travel over the same distances through other means of transport?

    Also, I hope the stations are designed to be fully wheel chair accessible etc.

  4. Owais Mughal says:
    August 20th, 2007 3:18 pm

    Aqil
    The bus fare from Shahdara to Kahna right now is around Rs 25 and it is expected to go upto Rs 30 by 2011 when the green line track becomes operational.

    I would suggest we don’t read too much into Rs 140 rail fare yet. It is a speculation (with some calculation) of some unknown resources who talked to Daily Times. I believe the final fare will definitely be more than road fare but not 4 or 5 times more. I wrote about Rs 140 fare news in the article to let readers feel the ‘sticker shock’ that I first got after reading it. I don’t completely believe it.

    In Rs 140 one could easily travel from Lahore to Faisalabad let alone Shahdara to Kahna :)

  5. Owais Mughal says:
    August 20th, 2007 3:19 pm

    Sridhar, thanks for your knowledgable comment (as always).

  6. August 20th, 2007 3:43 pm

    Another good post.

    BTW, the Rs: 100 fare is stil lcheaper than the local Cab fare which has gone through the roof since the drivers don’t follow the meter and charge their own fares.

    Is there a train that will go towards the outskirts such as Wahgah Border, towards BRB canal and Suzo Water Park. I know once we had to take a cab from Lahore to Wahgah and we crossed the border on foot. The place was not as developed as the \indian side but I am not sure if there is a plan to extend it close to the border. I will greatly help the other commuters since if you travel by the Samjhota express it takes 12 hours to clear customs.

    Anyway, once built Lahoris will have a sigh of relief.

  7. Owais Mughal says:
    August 20th, 2007 4:01 pm

    Shahran
    You are absolutely right that fares will still be cheaper than taking a taxi cab.

    There used to be a railcar service between Lahore and Wagah which ran more than 6 times a day until 1980. The railcars were ‘Made in Hungary”, Diesel-Electric units called ‘Ganz’. Once the railcars completed their operational life the service also got abandoned. These historic railcars can still be seen idling in the Lahore yard if you travel out of the station towards Lahore Cantt.

  8. Aqil Sajjad says:
    August 20th, 2007 4:02 pm

    Owais:
    I also hope the figure of 125 or so is incorrect, but I just did a quick calculation and it is worrying me.

    According to your post, the system will carry about 35 thousand people per hour. Now, this will probably be the number in peak hours and not all the time, but lets just assume for now that it will remain that way for the entire 24 hour period all year around.

    So 35k * 24 * 125 *365 gives 38.325 billion rupees.
    This is about $638 M (at 60 rupees per dollar).

    A more reasonable fair like 30 rupees will give something like $153 M revenue anually.

    This revenue will have to cover the running expenses of the system in addition to retiring the $3b or so loans over a few years. So unless I’m missing something important in the calculation, a reasonable fair like Rs. 30 will not be enough to pay for the cost of the project.

    I would actually be interested to know how much the Dehli subway system cost and what the fairs are like.

  9. Owais Mughal says:
    August 20th, 2007 4:11 pm

    Aqil
    The highest one-way fare on Delhi Metro is Rs 21. Total length of Delhi Metro network is ~120 km. I am not sure what is the longest one way distance one can travel on Delhi Metro network (may be some of our Indian friends can help us here)but maximum fare is Rs21. This is probably equal to Rs 30 pakistani.

  10. Indscribe says:
    August 20th, 2007 4:24 pm

    What’s the population of Lahore, these days. I mean as per census, not wild estimates.

  11. Owais Mughal says:
    August 20th, 2007 4:44 pm

    For Lahore Mass Transit enthusiasts, here is a 1960 photo of ‘Ganz’ railcar that used to run between Lahore and Wagah until 1979-80. Many Lahoriites may remember seeing it idling in Lahore yard siding near the Washing Lines. Here is the photo

  12. Sridhar says:
    August 20th, 2007 5:24 pm

    Aqil:

    Phase I of the Delhi Metro Rail Project was constructed between 1998 and 2006. The total length of the Phase I network is about 65kms, with about 13kms underground and the rest elevated. The total completed project cost was Rs. 10,500 crores. It is hard to directly convert this to dollars due to exchange rate changes and inflation during the construction period (various parts of this cost were incurred at different times). But at today’s exchange rate, this is roughly $2.6 billion. Since the Indian and Pakistani rupee have largely moved in similar ways and also inflation has been comparable, if you convert the INR 10,500 crores into PKR at today’s exchange rates, you would get a relatively accurate picture of the cost of the project in PKR (more than when the conversion is done into dollars).

    Of the 65kms network, roughly 13 kms is underground and the rest is elevated. When doing cost estimates, one needs to account for underground and elevated lines separately (and also at-grade lines, if any) since the costs are obviously very different. A good rule of thumb is that an elevated line costs about 5-10 times as much as an at-grade line and an underground line can cost twice as much as an elevated one.

    In the Phase II of the Delhi Metro project, which is currently under construction with a targeted completion date of 2010, a total of 121kms of lines are under construction. The cost of this phase of the project is significantly lower than the first phase, mainly because
    a. Phase II is being constructed by Delhi Metro Rail Corporation (DMRC) without the use of external design consultants, due to the experience gained in-house. In fact, Line 3 of Phase I (which is the longest line at 32 kms, with both underground and elevated sections) was constructed by DMRC in-house, at a significantly lower cost than Lines 1 and 2.
    b. The new lines in Phase II are being built in standard gauge, rather than broad gauge. In Phase-I, broad gauge was chosen by the Government despite DMRC’s preference for standard gauge due to turf wars with the Indian Railways ministry and the inability of the then fledgling DMRC to do anything about it. Standard gauge reduces costs both because the civil structures are somewhat lighter and also because the market for equipment for standard gauge is more competitive (it is by far the most common gauge for metro networks worldwide)

    As a result of these cost savings, Phase II of the network is being constructed for about 20000 crores. The exact cost is somewhat uncertain because one of the lines – the high-speed link to the airport has just undergone a redesign that has led to cost escalation (more of it will be underground to protect the heritage of the areas of Lutyens’ Delhi it will be passing through). But in any case, given the greater proportion of underground lines in Phase II than in Phase I, the cost per km is significantly lower than for Phase I.

    For Lahore, I would assume a similar construction cost – Lahore like Delhi is a relatively flat city and has similar soil characteristics (bedrock and alluvial soil). Things like crossings over bridges or tunnels under water bodies (rivers, canals) adds significantly to costs. The Phase I network in Delhi has a 0.5km long bridge over the Yamuna and Phase II will add another similar bridge at a different location over the Yamuna river. I don’t know if the Lahore network proposes bridges over the Ravi or the canals, but those costs need to be added too.

    Finally, regarding fares – the highest fare on the Delhi Metro is Rs. 22. This is for a roughly 50 kms trip, involving two transfers. Delhi Metro is also launching a large network of feeder buses to move people from near their homes to the nearest metro station. That will add some commuting cost too (its fare is not included in the metro fare) – typically three to five rupees per trip depending on distance. Thus, the maximum fare is roughly about Rs. 25-28, for a distance of roughly 55-60 kms. This is lower than the bus fares for similar distances, and with much higher comfort and reliability.

  13. Sridhar says:
    August 20th, 2007 5:36 pm

    There was a question about whether Delhi Metro is economically sustainable. The farebox collections of Delhi Metro have provided it an operational profit from day one. However, since the interest costs for such a heavy investment are high, DMRC is not profitable after including interest costs. It aims to stay profitable through its revenues from its real-estate operations.

    Throughout the world, metros are usually not profitable by themselves, but if you account for the economic benefits they provide, they make sense as investments. One metro that is profitable is the Hong Kong MTR, but only because of its real-estate operations. Besides leasing out space for malls, restaurants and other concessions within stations (that DMRC is also doing), it actually invests in property development, particularly above or near metro stations. Delhi Metro has constructed an IT park and is planning other real-estate developments. Even after the revenues from these, I still think it will not break even. But it will still make sense if one considers all the economic, social and environmental benefits it provides.

    One more thing – while the maximum fare on Delhi Metro is Rs. 22, the fares range from Rs. 6 through 22. The average commuter pays about Rs. 12 for a commuting distance of roughly 15 kms.

  14. Owais Mughal says:
    August 20th, 2007 5:54 pm

    One more thing that comes to mind is there is no Mass Transit Authority for Lahore yet. I believe the project is being carried out by the Govt of Punjab with funding from Asian Development Bank.

    I believe Punjab’s Provincial Assembly needs to pass some basic regulation for providing legal cover on who is going to implement this project so as to avoid future conflicts. Otherwise if the current govt changes hands the project may die too. Provincial legislature should do law making to give this project to either a subsidiary dept of provincial govt OR a private company OR make law for a brand new ‘mass transit authority’ for the city.

  15. zakoota says:
    August 20th, 2007 6:41 pm

    All we need is a leadership who is motivated either for its own benefits (commissions, etc) or may be for the betterment of people of Pakistan (I have doubts in this option), to complete these kind of projects otherwise they remain good in papers only.

  16. Aqil Sajjad says:
    August 20th, 2007 8:55 pm

    Sridhar and Owais:
    Thanks for the responses. One more question: how many mega watts of power will the system require? Any figures for Dehli?

  17. Sridhar says:
    August 21st, 2007 12:19 am

    Phase I of the Delhi Metro has a peak requirement (all lights on, trains at highest frequency of 3 mins) of about 75MW, or an average of 1.125MW per km.

  18. Sufyan Kakakhel says:
    August 21st, 2007 2:33 am

    Aqil,
    seems there is something missing in your calculation. It cant be 35000 commuters per hour. Secondly metros usually dont operate 24 hours ( at least those I have travelled on in Thailand, Singapore, Malaysia and USA).
    But still 120-130 rupees a journey as of 2007 seems quite over priced. On Delhi metro you can get a whole day pass for Rs. 70 ( pakistani rupees 95 or less). In Bangkok the sky train single journey fair for minium distance is 15 -20 Bht ( 1 Bht = 1.6 rupees) whereas the maximum fare was 40 or 45 bhat ( dont remeber exactly). According to my calculation the metros in all these countries fall cheaper than a taxi ride of the same distance.

  19. Adnan Ali says:
    August 21st, 2007 4:42 am

    Very informative post, very nicely put together.

    The cost of the project need not be paid back by the consumers alone. I see a lot of opportunities for advertisement related revenue to be earned through this project.

    Most such stations in foregin countries have hawker stalls which also pay back some of the cost of development.

    The government will also save a lot of money because the transit system will reduce pressure on the roads and spending can be saved on road maintenance and update.

  20. aijaz says:
    August 21st, 2007 6:05 am

    why did light train project fail, any clue?

  21. Mubarak says:
    August 21st, 2007 6:46 am

    Owais,

    I dont know why we are all talking about the fares. Let the project atleast begin.

    I remember in the early days of LHR-ISD motorway, people use to criticise about the charges but now everybody is comfortable with it. Actually, we cannot calculate the convenience in terms of money. We only compare it with wagon fares. All Lahorites know how ugly is the wagon journey and how much time it takes.

    I am confident when the project will start everybody will forget about the fares. They will see the convenience in it and Motorway is the best example.

  22. aijaz says:
    August 21st, 2007 7:04 am

    I want to share a comment which a friend of mine posted when we were discussing it on our alumni mailing list.

    Quote Sheeraz,

    As far as my observation of LT rails (under passes and overheard) is concerned, Its IMPOSSIBLE for cities like Lahore and unfortunate people like pakistanis. We not just lack the infrastructure to support such a BIG project but also lack the ability to run it successfully after it has completed. Lahore-Kasur road is under construction for the past THREE YEARS & with current speed I think by the time it completes, it would again have to go for expansion. Ring road started by this very govt is NO WHERE to be found. Chaudhries only used it to flare up the land prices which they already had purchased. I personally know people who invested through Mounas Elahe on Property which later was exempted/purchased by Punjab govt for Ring Road Project on highly escalated rates then market :). They purchased the property on whatever rates and then made the govt to pay escalated rated then market rates.

    The IT center Feroze Pur Road anugrated last year still waits for funds etc……
    Johar Town Trade Center after 3 years of ground breaking still isn’t much developed……

    The nation cant build a water proof underpass and they talk of such a big project. Election stunts, last hopes to win unpopular votes or “jatey chor ki loonge he sahee” – whatever you call it.

    PLUS at the moment 3.5 Bn $ should better be spend on Electric and Water sector in Pakistan…

  23. Aqil Sajjad says:
    August 21st, 2007 7:32 am

    Sufyan:
    My main point of sharing that rough calculation was that even in the unrealistic scenario that the system runs at max passanger capacity for 24 hours all year around, it will not be able to recover the cost if it charges something like Rs. 30. Now, in a more realistic case, where the system doesn’t run for the entire 24 hour period, the revenue will be even less, so it only provides further support to my point. The figure of 35 thousand came from the original post, but again, if the actual figure is smaller, then it will further reduce the revenue and make it harder to recover the cost.

    The ideas of earning through advertizements and stalls are good though. And yes, the system will save some money by reducing the maintainance cost of the road system.

  24. Owais Mughal says:
    August 21st, 2007 7:54 am

    Sufyan Saheb, according to project reports appearing in news, it does say the maximum load on the system may be 35000 passengers / hour. This load is after all four phase i.e. 97 km of track is completed and roughly means 35 up and 35 down trains running at a given time at full capacity.

  25. Aqil Sajjad says:
    August 21st, 2007 7:58 am

    Mubarik:
    The reason why I am concerned about fairs and cost recovery is that there is already a strong feeling in smaller provinces and Southern Punjab that certain parts of the country get more govt attention at their expense. If the transport system is being made for the comfort of Lahoris, then will the Lahoris pay for it, or will people from other, more backward parts of the country be made to sacrifice on their due share of development budget for it?
    If the Lahore city govt takes up the whole debt for the project and the people of Lahore do pay for it one way or another, then obviously, it would be a project for everyone to celebrate.

  26. Ahmad R. Shahid says:
    August 21st, 2007 8:49 am

    Its the need of the hour to build such a rail system. Modern cities can’t do without one. Having lived in Chicago and London, one increasingly feels the need for such systems. Such systems have already been built in other developing countries such as Malaysia and India. How have we managed to do without one, simply beats me.

    As for the fares, I would like to say that even though the fares would be high for the middle and lower middle classes, but with them their incomes would rise enough to meet the costs. Meantime those can afford, should not be denied the opportunity to travel by trains. The middle and lower middle classes didn’t start using the London Underground system the day it was born, in 1863. Yet with time and with rising standards of living even people belonging to lower classes started using it. Today even the ones on Benefits use it. So with time the same would happen in Pakistan as well.

  27. Sridhar says:
    August 21st, 2007 11:31 am

    The 35000 capacity figure mentioned is what is termed a ‘passenger per direction per hour” figure. This is the theoretical maximum that the system can carry on any one line in a single direction per hour. It is a function of the capacity of the coaches used, the number of coaches per rake and the minimum headway between trains. It does not suggest that 35000 people will necessarily travel in any direction in the system during any period of time.

  28. Umar Shah says:
    August 21st, 2007 6:42 pm

    Aik zamanay main hum tum gaey thay rawalpindi 140 rupay main…yaad hai na?

  29. Sridhar says:
    August 22nd, 2007 1:49 pm

    A minor correction to my earlier post.

    The fare for the feeder buses for the metro is Rs. 5 for a distance upto 8 kms and Rs. 8 for a distance greater than 8 kms. Most commuters using feeder services will travel less than 8 kms on the metro. Thus, the total fare for commuting within the city of Delhi is likely to be a maximum of Rs. 38 currently (if one uses the maximum distance on the metro @ Rs. 22 and feeder buses for greater than 8 kms on both ends @ Rs 8 each). The average commuter will of course pay less than this.

  30. Aqil Sajjad says:
    August 22nd, 2007 3:10 pm

    Sridhar:
    Thanks for sharing all this info about the Dehli subway. One more question: is any amount being earned through advertizing boards and shops at the stations?
    Also, who exactly paid for the project? The federal or the city govt?

  31. Sridhar says:
    August 22nd, 2007 5:09 pm

    Aqil:

    DMRC is earning revenues through commercial development. It has tendered out advertising rights inside trains, on the platform and other station venues and also by awarding concessions for running restaurants and coffee/tea shops. Another source of revenue is from mobile companies. Even the underground sections of the metro have a mobile signal and this is achieved by installing repeaters on the metro route that the mobile companies pay DMRC for. Besides this, DMRC is earning revenues through property development. They are constructing an IT park in the area adjacent to one station and a residential development above a coach depot.

    As to funding, 60% of the project cost is borne by the Japanese Bank of International Cooperation (JBIC). It is a subsidized loan, with a 10 year moratorium on payments. 15% of the cost is borne by the union Govt. (mostly as cash) and 15% by the Govt. of Delhi (partly as cash and partly as land transferred to DMRC for building its facilities). The rest is generated by DMRC through property development (and is in fact an indirect subsidy from the Govt. of Delhi, since it has provided high value land to DMRC for use for property development).

    Now there are metros under construction or being planned in various cities of India – Bangalore, Hyderabad, Chennai, Pune, Kochi, Ahmedabad and Kolkata – and a similar pattern of financing is being used/planned there as well. Typically a concessional loan from JBIC/World Bank/Asian Development Bank or a similar agency covering 50-60% of the cost and the rest being shared by state Governments. Mumbai is using a different model, where the state and central governments share a viability gap financing to a private developer, who invests the rest of the funds. One line has already been contracted out to Anil Ambani’s company by this route, and more lines are under the process of being tendered. This works in Mumbai since it is a city with high public transit usage – making the metro profitable for private developers (with some viability gap financing by the Government). Even in Mumbai, the fares are regulated though – Line 1 of the metro will have a typical fare of Rs. 10 for a 10 km distance.

    I hope this answers your questions.

  32. Sridhar says:
    August 22nd, 2007 5:16 pm

    Some minor clarifications/corrections

    Clarification:
    Union govt = central/federal govt.

    Correction:
    When I referred to the other cities, I said that part of the funds are coming from lending organizations like the JBIC/ADB etc. and the rest by the state government. Actually I meant that the rest is being shared by the central (federal) and state governments in equal proportion.

  33. Deewana Aik says:
    September 26th, 2007 4:31 pm

    More news on this;

    http://jang.com.pk/jang/sep2007-daily/26-09-2007/up37.gif

    Apparently, the $3 billion project will start soon after Eid.

  34. Abhay Dang says:
    October 18th, 2007 5:22 pm

    I guess the fares are hilarious!! Or maybe something is wrong somewhere!

    Currently we pay up to INR 24 for Delhi Metro end to end travel and the company is still making profits. Although, probably end to end fares will go up by 2010 when total route length shall be about 185 kms.

    I had read in a newspaper in my city a few months back, that they will keep fares along New Delhi – IGI Airport line hilariously high to discourage travellers (for security reasons). And they suggested the fares may be as high as INR 100. Now, either your system is going to be TOO expensive, or somewhere the figures are incorrect.

  35. Asim Kaleem says:
    December 7th, 2007 7:20 am

    Dear Awais

    Anyu further updates, as I believe that this project is abondoned after reading about this news. Awful indeed

    I think most people will agree that scams for Pakistanis are like snow for Eskimos. Hardly shocking any more, the willing suspension of disbelief having gone the full round, anything and everything is possible, is acceptable and is believable. In fact such is the nationwide cynicism that the more bizarre the scam, the more believable it becomes. Stories about LPG quotas for all the top stakeholders who are holding on to the stakes for dear life are rampant. Everyone who is anyone seems to have tons of LPG ‘allocated’ to them. It is money for jam because no hard work is required, no daily grind here. Quotas in, LPG out, money in. Every day, hundreds of thousands of rupees are rolling into private coffers, no one daring to question the transparency of the deals that net millions to those who already have billions.

    So this startling email — even by Pakistan’s jaded standards, popped up on my screen the other day. The subject? A Rs600 million corruption scam in the Study Report of the Lahore Mass Transit Train Project. The period? Just a few months between April and September this year. The sender of the email swears on all that is holy that every word, every amount of money siphoned off in this scam, is true and offers his email address for any verification. So those thinking that this is another irresponsible rumour of which variety this country has plenty might have to re-think. Is it a score-settling game? I doubt it.

    The Punjab government has launched a Rs200 billion project for the transportation of millions of intercity commuters in Lahore. For the preparation of the study report, a Hong Kong-based consultancy firm was hired. In the preparation of this report, Rs600 million has changed hands in the form of bribes and kickbacks. Why the firm needs to buy at this stage the acquiescence of the lower staff, acting on their own or representing other powerful masters, remains a mystery. This report which has a vital bearing on the safety standards of the proposed system seems to be of critical importance to the foreign firm which instead of doing its work is apparently spending all its time and resources, greasing many outstretched palms.

    The alleged main players are some officers and a clerk of the Punjab Transport Department and the AG’s office, but two main characters who emerge are a section officer and a clerk in BPS-10. Not only are both named, but their NIC numbers are also provided. The clerk fronts for the section officer who fronts for the others. Among other things the talented clerk has in a matter of six months procured seven vehicles in his brother, wife and friend’s names. The vehicles complete with registration numbers and names registered to, include two Honda Civics, a Toyota Corolla GLI, a Santro, a Cuore, a Toyota Camry (I want that sexy Camry) and an unregistered Prado. The gentleman providing these gory details admits that there are still some details missing. The value of these cars is known to all.

    He goes on to list the money deposited in the NIB Bank in Lahore complete with account numbers. Here the clerk’s lady wife has a number of hefty deposits to her good name. These deposits made between May and September 2007 range from Rs2.15 crores, Rs2 crores again two weeks later, another two crores a day later, Rs20 lacs in July, another Rs2.5 crores in September, followed by Rs60 lacs a week later and another similar sum another week later. It all adds up to many crores, many lacs and too many thousands which I can’t write in figures my French being what it is.

    The head clerk who must be a very busy man has another set of accounts at Habib Bank (mera be to hai) where he and his lady wife plonked Rs75 lacs in September. This comes with details of the account number, beneficiary etc. A similar sum of money is placed by the enterprising clerk’s lucky brother on the same dates. That is Rs 75 lacs again in case you are losing the thread of the narrative. There are reportedly more accounts or more sums of money deposited here of which details are not known. Why we cannot make this head clerk Pakistan’s finance minister I’ll never know, but such talent should hardly go unnoticed — can’t really say unrewarded.

    Having done with the cars and the bank accounts, next on the menu is the dessert. This comes in the shape of a rich cheesecake and is just as appetising as cheesecakes are reputed to be. The mysterious boss appears at last but the lead roles are still shared by the head clerk and his lady wife against which fair lady, Lady Macbeth has begun to look more and more like Mother Teresa. However, dessert awaits. In Iqbal Town, Lahore, the boss has a plot — a modest affair worth about Rs1.5 crores only. The adjoining plot — anyone remember ‘birds of a feather flock together?’ — is with Lady Macbeth valued the same. The party then moves to Gulshan-e-Ravi where three plots are picked up valued at about Rs3.25 crores in all. A house in Old Anarkali for Rs70 lacs and another modest dwelling on Food Street, valued at Rs35 lacs are also with the dear lady. In what is obviously a ‘loot sale’, Lady Macbeth then picks up two villas in Gulshan-e-Ravi for Rs2.25 crores, a flat on Maclagan Road for Rs15 lacs and a house in Shalimar Colony in his/her brother brother-in-law’s name for Rs20 lacs, a shop in Old Anarkali for Rs15 lacs and another for Rs70 lacs. Another shop in Mozang for Rs15 lacs, two small hotels on Food Street for Rs1.2 crores and Rs20 lacs and a jewellery shop in Anarkali for Rs70 lacs completes the bonanza. Total value of these properties? Rs14 crores, 85 lacs. How much does it all add up to? God knows how much, since I have lost count.

    As for after dinner chocolates, the enterprising group has picked up a wholesale gold business in Old Anarkali (I guess that’s where all the action is) for a paltry Rs1.5 crores plus another two business units for Rs15 lacs each, all these goodies registered in the names of two brothers and a son. Total value of this initiative? Rs1.5 crores, 30 lacs. So, those of you still struggling with your lacs and crores, the entire package is about Rs18 crores give or take a crore this way or that. I now understand what Shaukat Aziz kept calling the ‘trickle down’ effect and dud that I was, never quite understood that brilliant man. But to our sleuth some marks for detailed probing are perhaps due because he had attached two approved bills pertaining to Sep-Oct complete with invoice numbers, details of the invoices and amounts paid into the company’s accounts in Citibank.

    The question is, whether this is true or not? If false, why go into so many details? Is it someone done out of this deal, now spilling the beans or is it someone who is sincere and horrified at this blatant corruption? Who knows? Why is this foreign company having to shell out so much money at a study phase level? How can they afford so much payoffs? Are they incompetent? Is this project another Jinnah Flyover that collapsed within a month of its opening? No wonder they called it a flyover! And of course our dear ‘jawans’ who built this engineering marvel have not been singled out and punished at all. Not that anyone was expecting it. We are all used to scams and every deal in Pakistan is shady. The purchase of PIA’s 777 aircraft routed through a company, Taxila Inc, registered (but of course) in Cayman Islands with a grand paid-up capital of $ 250 just 11 days before the banks pushed the loans through has the same smell as fish left out in the sun, but who is probing it? The lurid details of Lahore’s Mass Transit payoffs need to be investigated. But then, who is going to do it?

    Shame for the previous Government and same fate of mega projects in pakistan.

  36. Owais Mughal says:
    December 7th, 2007 7:35 am

    Dear Asim
    no i haven’t heard anything new about the project lately. let me do a quick news search and see where is it at. if what you’ve written is true then it is very sad.

  37. Asim Kaleem says:
    December 14th, 2007 12:27 am

    LRMTS will solve traffic problems: caretaker CM

    Staff Report

    LAHORE: The Lahore Rapid Mass Transit System (LRMTS) will prove to be a milestone in overcoming traffic problems of the city and will result in provision of safe, comfortable and affordable transport facility to the masses, said caretaker Chief Minister Justice (r) Ejaz Nisar on Wednesday.

    He was presiding over a high level meeting regarding the LRMTS project at the Chief Minister

  38. Engr. Kamran Mahmood says:
    December 24th, 2007 4:16 am

    Well Well it is a moment of happiness to hear and to see this type of mega projects which will cahnge the image of country and cities of Pakistan. we have seen this tpye of facilities in other countries and it was my wish to see the same in our country.we hope better and brighter future of Pakistan.Thanks to all how put thier efforts in this propjects.

  39. Asim Kaleem says:
    March 12th, 2008 3:59 am

    The CDWP approved three schemes worth Rs 1.1 billion for Punjab, 11 projects costing Rs 18.9 billion for Sindh, two project costing Rs 1.4 billion for NWFP, three schemes costing Rs 1.2 billion for Balochistan, two projects worth Rs 15.5 billion for AJK and the same number of schemes valuing 0.7 billion for Northern Areas, said Asif Sheikh flanked by Dr Asad Ali Shah, member infrastructure PC.
    Of the three projects in Punjab, one project namely “Technical Assistance loan for Lahore rapid mass transit system, costing Rs 0.5 billion will be fully financed by the government of Punjab. The Asian Development Bank (ADB) will provide technical assistance.Dr Asad said that Lahore rapid mass transit was huge project and its total cost would be around 2.4 billion US dollars.
    The Punjab government will provide $1.4 billion for the project while the remaining amount would be provided by the ADB.He said that Punjab government was planning to initially lay down the track on 27 kilometres and if that portion remained successful, then the project would be expanded. After that the Punjab government would present PC-I and detailed engineering design of the whole scheme to the PC.

  40. Owais Mughal says:
    March 12th, 2008 7:49 am

    Dear Asim. thanks for finding and sharing this update on the project.

  41. Ahmad R. Shahid says:
    March 12th, 2008 10:52 am

    @Asim Kaleem

    Can you also inform us about why Punjab, with a population more than that of Germany, gets only Rs. 1.1 billion, while even NWFP get 1.4 billion, with a population around 1/4th of Punjab?

  42. Suleman Ansari says:
    May 21st, 2008 5:46 am

    Any latest news on Lahore Rapid Mass Transit system, I hope the new Punjab Gov will procedd on the project.

  43. augustine says:
    May 29th, 2008 6:25 am

    i am very happy pakistan start big metro project people definately take benifit from that project
    i am also working on metro project dubai
    if pakistan starts metro than i will come back pakistan start my work in pakistan
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  44. Asim Kaleem says:
    May 29th, 2008 7:06 am

    Dear All.

    Latest about this project is that Amir Mehmood, Nazim Lahore, had said in his last interview with Voice of America that the work on this project is in progress. You can also get the excerpt of this interview at the following link

    http://www.voanews.com/urdu/2008-05-07-voa1.cfm

    but nothing on the ground. What I know latest in this is that the World bank has approved a T.A loan and has appointed two consultants for monitoring and advise purpose.
    You can get more and much more than this on the following blog.

    lahoremasstransit.blogspot.com

  45. Asim Kaleem says:
    May 30th, 2008 8:16 am

    FAISALABAD (April 29 2008): Asian Development Bank will provide six million dollars from the Asian Development Fund for Lahore rapid mass transit system, while the Punjab government will provide 1.5 million dollars from its resources to launch the second phase of the project, which will be completed and commissioned by December.
    According to official sources, the ADB has agreed to provide 150,000 dollars from its Technical Assistance Special Fund to launch the first phase of Lahore rapid mass transit system, which will be completed in July. The ADB sources mentioned that the project, on completion, would improve the Labourites quality of life.
    The first phase of the project include project design and financing agreed upon by the Pakistan government and the ADB, detailed structure and terms of the transaction, pre-qualification and bidding documents for transaction, contract award, and negotiations with the lenders.
    The ADB sources said that the expected impact of the first phase would be the initiation of a long-term transport system investment programme that would enable Lahore to make a greater contribution to national development. The ADB sources explained that the transaction advisory work would be carried out in the following three phases – preparation, implementation, and negotiation.
    During the preparation phase, the transaction advisor would carry out technical and legal aspects, design the detailed structure and terms of the transaction market the transaction with potential investors and develop pre-qualification and bidding documents as well as the necessary contracts.
    During the implementation stage, the transaction advisor would assist the government in obtaining any approvals and permits required, pre-qualifying potential investors, carrying out the bidding process, evaluating proposals, awarding the contract and holding negotiations, with the lenders. During the negotiation, the transaction advisor would support the government in winning the bidder to reach financial closure, official sources said.

  46. Sunil Kumar says:
    May 31st, 2008 6:10 am

    Well, fixing the fare for the metro or any other similar projects for the profit is really not feasible.The Metro project is a long term project for the people in terms of personal convinience,clean environment benefits and the value of the time of the citizens etc…
    Mostly the recovery of the project costs of the metro projects is done by the advertising,out-right lease, sell.rent of the properties in and around metro stations for offices,shops,malls,theatre’s etc.Also the costing is done on the usage of the metro by the people where the per KM costs of the other means of transport (for fuel) are being compounded to give a resultant cost benefit to the government in order to keep the individual transportation low.
    There are lot of other Project costing techniques used to determine the break-even pont for such a big citizen benefit projects.

  47. mirza says:
    June 1st, 2008 1:00 pm

    thank you Asim Kaleem for giving us this information and i hope you will keep giving us information about this porject.

  48. paki says:
    June 2nd, 2008 1:26 pm

    i don’t think it’s going to start soon becoz if u see pakistan positon at the moment, NO ATTA, NO ELETRICITY, NO WATER. pakistan goverment can’t provied these things to pakistan people how they gonna start this project. pakistan currency going down day by day. pound rate was Rs100 few year ago and now it’s Rs135. Pervez Musharraf making pakistan hell for pakistanis but I LOVE PAKISTAN and i want to see pakistan up day by day not down.

    PAKISTAN ZINDABAD

  49. Asim Kaleem says:
    June 3rd, 2008 2:00 am

    @ Mirza

    Ya I will keep updating here too and you can also get more on this project in detail at lahoremasstransit.blogspot.com.

    @Paki

    I agree with you. With the account defecit at all level high and so much huge pressures of external debts, I myself is now doubtful of the implementation of this project. May we see this mega and much needed task be materialized.

  50. mirza says:
    June 4th, 2008 9:48 am

    ASIM KALEEM u have any information about karachi water front because i saw 1 video on youtube, it looks really good project. can u plz tell us if u have information about karachi water front.

  51. Asim Kaleem says:
    June 5th, 2008 7:13 am

    Ya Mirza! No of Water Front projects like
    Crescent Bay in DHA Phase-8, Karachi … By Emaar… http://www.emaar.com/pakistan

    Creek Marina in DHA, Phase -7, Karachi …… By Some Singaporean Company . http://www.creekmarina.com

    Diamond Bar Island …. Bundur & Buddu Island near Karachi.

    Suger Land City —- By some Abu Dhabi based company … Near Minora Island Karachi

    This the whole info I have

  52. mirza says:
    June 6th, 2008 1:31 pm

    THANKS ASIM KALEEM

  53. mirza says:
    June 9th, 2008 9:15 am

    ASIM KALEEM do you have any information about THE CENTAURUS ISLAMBAD?

  54. Asim Kaleem says:
    June 12th, 2008 12:34 pm

    The cost of Preparing the Lahore Rapid Mass Transit System Project, to finance the recruitment of transaction advisor, is estimated at $7.5 million equivalent, including foreign exchange component of $6.0 million and local currency costs of $1.5 million equivalent.

    According to Punjab Planning & Development Board (P&D Board) sources, an urban rapid mass transit system would likely impact Lahore and its large population of poor residents in a number of positive ways. It would allow the city to function effectively, even when congestion is severe, and enable people to commute more easily to work.

    The additional capacity provided would allow the dynamic city centre to thrive economically, and over time help to fundamentally shift the structure of the city, and guide and support future development in a more balanced, sustainable manner. Other road users would benefit from reduced congestion and pollution. The government would benefit from policy options not previously available that accelerate an understanding of the need to manage the urban transport system as an integrated whole, sources said.

    The first phase of Lahore Rapid Mass Transit System Project will provide key intervention for long-term partnership between Asian Development Bank and Pakistan to develop Lahore’s transport sector. It supports recruitment of a transaction advisor to help formulate, structure, and take to the market a public-private partnership for the first priority line of a proposed rapid mass transit system (RMTS) in Lahore. Lahore is the capital of Punjab province and the second largest city in Pakistan. Its population, just under 9 million, is growing at a rate of about 3.0 percent per year. Despite a number of initiatives over the years, such as introducing and improving fleets of buses, traffic gridlock and congestion, are now constraining growth, curtailing investment, and reducing the city’s competitiveness.

    Based on feasibility studies and other analysis, the Lahore RMTS has strong potential to provide an attractive and efficient option for public transportation, an alternative to private vehicles, and a cleaner technology than the existing bus and other transport technologies. In sum, the proposed RMTS will help reduce constraints on growth, investment, and city competitiveness currently imposed by the state of Lahore’s transport system.

    The Government has requested a loan of SDR 3,794,000 ($6,000,000 equivalent) from ADB’s Special Funds resources to finance 80 percent of the total TA costs. The loan will have a term of 32 years, including a grace period of 8 years, an interest rate of 1.0 percent per annum during the grace period and 1.5 percent per annum thereafter, and such terms and conditions as set forth in the draft loan document.

    The government will provide the remaining $1,500,000 equivalent, or 20 percent of the total TA cost, to cover local currency costs. As most of these funds will be provided in kind for program support in the form of workshops, surveys, office space, and related local support, the availability of counterpart financing should not be an issue. The government has been advised that approval of the TA loan does not commit ADB to financing any ensuing project. The government will re-lend the loan proceeds to the PPG on terms and conditions satisfactory to ADB.

    Planning & Development Board sources said that prior to consideration of ADB project financing, engagement of a transaction advisor is required to formulate financial structuring, undertake detailed due diligence, and package the Lahore RMTS to attract private capital and management. The transaction advisor, in close consultation with ADB and the government, will help prepare and launch a PPP transaction for the green line. ADB is willing, in principle, to partly finance the public-sector-financed portion of the Project under the multi-tranche financing facility modality.

    Sources said that the transaction advisory work would be carried out in three phases: preparation, implementation, and negotiation. During the preparation phase, the transaction advisor will carry out technical and legal due diligence, design the detailed structure and terms of the transaction, market the transaction with potential investors, and develop pre-qualification and bidding documents and the necessary contracts. During implementation, the transaction advisor will assist the government in obtaining any approvals and permits required, pre-qualifying potential investors, carrying out the bidding process, evaluating proposals, awarding the contract, and holding negotiations with lenders. During the negotiation, the transaction advisor will support the Government and winning bidder reach financial closure. The transaction preparatory work will include technical, legal, regulatory, financial, and safeguards due diligence in support of the proposed transaction. The transaction advisor will lead efforts to market the transaction, including tasks such as (i) preparation of initial marketing document, an information memorandum, and presentations; (ii) preparation of a list of investors that have the qualifications and experience to be the project counterpart; and (iii) consultations with potential investors and lenders to share information about the Lahore RMTS. The transaction advisor will also advise on progress made in preparing the transaction; and review feedback on the design of the transaction. International road shows may be required.

    The transaction advisor will assist the government in obtaining or issuing the necessary permits or approvals needed for implementing the transaction for the Project. These might include approval to (i) create and fund a subsidy account, (ii) issue a government guarantee, and (iii) launch pre-qualification and bidding process.

    The transaction advisor will assist the government in (i) issuing the request for pre-qualification, responding to questions from interested parties, evaluating the expressions of interest, and selecting a short list of firms; (ii) issuing the request for proposals and responding to questions from bidders; and (iii) assessing the legal compliance of the proposals, evaluating the quality of the technical proposals and competitiveness of the financial proposals, and making an award decision.

  55. Asim Kaleem says:
    June 14th, 2008 3:28 pm

    @ Mirza

    Do you have any information about Emaar ?????

  56. mirza says:
    June 17th, 2008 7:16 am

    sorry brother ASIM KALEEM i haven’t got any information about emaar.i think you should go to emaar website.

    ASIM KALEEM can you plz give me some information about THE CENTAURUS ISLAMABAD.

  57. Owais Mughal says:
    June 22nd, 2008 11:11 am

    A map of Lahore Rapid Mass Transit appears at Flickr here. In addition to the map, this seems to be an advertisement poster with political leadership’s photos shown too.

  58. Asim Kaleem says:
    June 23rd, 2008 2:45 am

    Yeah Owais, this add has been reprinted with changed pictures as it was first appear in November 2007 with pictures of previous C.M and President. No matter who so ever starts it but this project should be started now and as early as possible……..

  59. Asim Kaleem says:
    June 23rd, 2008 2:47 am

    @ Mirza

    You can get whole about Centaurus at http://www.thecentaurus.com

    cheers

  60. mirza says:
    June 25th, 2008 9:31 am

    ASIM KALEEM is this project started yet or not?
    i saw OWAIS MUGHAL link and i saw the new map.i think PML(n) will finish this project becoz shabaz sharaif is very good person

  61. Asim Kaleem says:
    June 26th, 2008 1:53 am

    @ Mirza

    All eyes now towards shahbaz sharif as ADB has released the $ 6 million but the current political turm oil, the huge budget deficit and bad security situation are the main factors hampering this project inauguration. But still I am hopeful and InshAllah it will be materialized. Rest you can get get more on lahore mass transit project at

    lahoremasstransit.blogspot.com

  62. paki says:
    June 30th, 2008 4:59 pm

    i don’t think this project going to start.pakistan gov always say but never did anything

  63. Owais Mughal says:
    July 5th, 2008 11:28 pm

    LATEST MAP OF LRMT

    A very detailed and pretty latest map (march 2008) of LRMT network can be seen here. It shows all 4 phases of development. It also marks portions of track which will be elevated on viaducts as well as those which will be underground. The map is located at page # 7 off 40 in the document here.

  64. Asim Kaleem says:
    July 8th, 2008 9:58 am

    Ya Owais, this seems fine but the present political and economic turm oil in Pakistan may either delay or even push government to abondon this project. Indeed regrettable whats happening………

  65. Owais Mughal says:
    July 8th, 2008 8:58 pm

    Asim, you are probably right but i am very excited just to see a professional and well surveyed map of the proposed network. The project will get completed (may be behind schedule) like other mega projects in Pakistan but good planning, surveying and maps are the first step in showing how serious the planners are for the project. I am optimistic about the project and happy to see the map.

    I hope and wish other cities of Pakistan also get mass-transit developed for them

  66. Asim Kaleem says:
    July 10th, 2008 4:04 am

    Indeed Owais! I myself never give up hope about the implementation of this project but some time the political and economic situation of the country compels me to feel dejected.
    Rest InshAllah I am hopeful it will be done and similar project feasibilities are underway for Karachi and Lahore.

  67. paki says:
    July 12th, 2008 9:50 am

    i think this project is going to stop here becoz pakistan got nothing at the moment.u can’t say this project wil be finished and the truth is this project not even started yet.i saw this project in 2007 and still not started yet.now 2009 is coming closer and they still planing this project.i think pakistan should learn something frm india becoz there undergound started long time ago.i wish pakistan learn frm india and start this project quickly and finished it quickly.INSHALLAH

  68. Asim Kaleem says:
    July 14th, 2008 5:31 am

    @ Paki….

    You are right as such mega project in Pakistan has the similar fate and that is the news of a scam in it. Recently, a similar news of such a scanadal has been aired by Jang group on print and electronic media about the lahore mass transit system which is indeed ironic and all those who are playing and plundering should be brought to justice…..

  69. Sam says:
    July 14th, 2008 12:27 pm

    @Paki
    “i think pakistan should learn something frm india becoz there undergound started long time ago.i wish pakistan learn frm india and start this project quickly and finished it quickly.”

    Public transport system in India is pathetic. We are better than India. If we really have a need to look outside, then let us look toward UK or Japan – not India.

  70. Asim Kaleem says:
    July 17th, 2008 3:21 am

    I have heard that Punjab Government is also working on Elevated Expressway project on Ferozpur Road. Strange……
    How they gonna accomodate both LRMTS and Elevated Expressway on a single road…….

  71. ateeq says:
    July 20th, 2008 12:26 pm

    this project not gonna start.pakistan only plane projects but they never started any big projects.

  72. July 23rd, 2008 12:58 pm

    So folks our doubts were turned out to be the facts and the news of Scams in this project are coming out …………. Ironic

    check it at the following link

    http://lahoremasstransit.blogspot.com/2008/07/lrtp-scam-what-to-say.html

  73. mirza says:
    July 24th, 2008 8:05 am

    Asim Kaleem i didn’t understand anything,can u plz exlpain in short verion.

  74. mirza says:
    August 7th, 2008 12:49 pm

    any news on lahour underground train?

  75. Asim Kaleem says:
    September 9th, 2008 4:22 pm

    Leme tell you very clear the project is all finished. I think we should now forget about any mega project because our new president like all mega amount to be transeferred in his account.

  76. Saif says:
    September 9th, 2008 4:48 pm

    I hope these are electric as we already have lot of diesel smoking vehicles in the city.

  77. Asim Kaleem says:
    September 14th, 2008 11:08 am

    The expected foreign investment of nearly eight billion US dollars in the Lahore Mass Transit System is reportedly at stake due to the lack of interest in the project on part of the Punjab government.

    Sources claimed on Sunday that the elevated expressway being proposed by the government, instead of the mass transit system, had been opposed by the Middle Eastern group building a $800 million multi-purpose commercial centre on Ferozepur Road. The group has reportedly conveyed to the government,

  78. Asim Kaleem says:
    September 17th, 2008 5:57 pm

    Can any body coney to the Chief Minister that please, please, please dont abondon the Lahore Mass Transit Project just because it was started in the previous government. Since C.M always says that its the Govt. of people than he should not cancel such projects which are of great imporatnce of public usage. I hope that my voice shall be heard.

  79. Owais Mughal says:
    September 17th, 2008 8:13 pm

    Asim, I also hope this project takes off soon. Personally, i don’t think the project of this size can be shelved easily b/c of interantional contrators involved. Projects like these carry on (though much slowly) inspite of who is in Govt. e.g. Motorway project. So I am staying positive that this project will go forward.

  80. Asim Kaleem says:
    September 18th, 2008 2:28 pm

    Thankyou very much Owais. You really made me believe that the project will commence but no time frame. Lets see either the dreams come true. You know I am in Leipzig – Germany right now doing my Master stuies in Civil Engineering. They are building the underground train system here and its really amazing to see how beautifully they work. I hope that we in Lahore can see such a mega construction.

  81. Asim Kaleem says:
    September 26th, 2008 5:20 am

    I think our Chief Minister is adamant and he will going to built his dream express way project on Ferozpur road and if its going to happen than definitely we cannot see Lahore Mass Transit Project. OOOOOOO indeed aweful.

  82. asim kaleem says:
    October 20th, 2008 7:17 am

    FAISALABAD (October 06 2008): Asian Development Bank has asked the Government to complete Public-Private Partnership (PPP) transaction for Private Sector Concession by October 2009, while ADB multi-tranche financing facility loan will be approved for public sector investment by December 2008 for Lahore Rapid Mass Transit System Project.

    According to official sources, the Government understands that developing the Lahore RMTS with a PPP would provide an opportunity to improve the overall efficiency of the system. A PPP provides the Government with an opportunity to efficiently allocate risks between the Government and specialised private firms.

    This means that risks will be controlled and influenced by the party that is best placed to control and influence these risks.

    A PPP, however, would not make sense for the Government or private sector if either party were bearing risks that are better handled by the other. This means that a well-structured PPP is essential to achieve the objectives expected from a PPP.

    ADB experts citing examples of key issues that need to be resolved as part of structuring a PPP transaction, include the following:

    (i) Public versus private funding. The passenger fares that the Government plans to charge for the green line will not cover the full cost of building, operating, and maintaining the line. The Government will need to subsidise a portion of the capital costs. What portion would be funded by the Government, where would these funds come from, and how would these funds be paid are key issues to be resolved.

    (ii) Ridership risk. While the Government should bear part of the ridership risk, the private operator should also have incentives to maximise ridership. Thus the private operator should bear a portion of the ridership risk. What portion and under what terms are key issues to be resolved.

    Prior to consideration of ADB project financing, ADB should update project reports mentioned. Engagement of a transaction advisor is required to formulate financial structuring, undertake detailed due diligence, and package the Lahore RMTS to attract private capital and management.

    The transaction advisor, in close consultation with ADB and the Government, will help prepare and launch a PPP transaction for the green line. ADB is willing, in principle, to partly finance the public-sector-financed portion of the Project under the multi-tranche financing facility modality.

    ADB experts disclosed that the transaction advisory work will be carried out in three phases: preparation, implementation, and negotiation. During the preparation phase, the transaction advisor will carry out technical and legal due diligence, design the detailed structure and terms of the transaction, market the transaction with potential investors, and develop prequalification and bidding documents as well as the necessary contracts.

    During implementation, the transaction advisor will assist the Government in obtaining any approvals and permits required, pre-qualifying potential investors, carrying out the bidding process, evaluating proposals, awarding the contract, and holding negotiations with lenders. During the negotiation, the transaction advisor will support the Government and winning bidder reach financial closure.

    PHASE I, TRANSACTION PREPARATION:

    The transaction preparatory work will include technical, legal, regulatory, financial, and safeguards due diligence in support of the proposed transaction. The transaction advisor will lead efforts to market the transaction, including tasks such as (i) preparation of initial marketing document, an information memorandum, and presentations; (ii) preparation of a list of investors that have the qualifications and experience to be the project counterpart; and (iii) consultations with potential investors and lenders to share information about the Lahore RMTS. The transaction advisor will also advise on progress made in preparing the transaction; and review feedback on the design of the transaction. International road shows may be required.

    Phase II, Transaction Implementation

    The transaction advisor will assist the Government in obtaining or issuing the necessary permits or approvals needed for implementing the transaction for the Project. These might include approval to (i) create and fund a subsidy account, (ii) issue a government guarantee, and (iii) launch prequalification and bidding process. The transaction advisor will assist the Government in (i) issuing the request for prequalification, responding to questions from interested parties, evaluating the expressions of interest, and selecting a short list of firms; (ii) issuing the request for proposals and responding to questions from bidders; and (iii) assessing the legal compliance of the proposals, evaluating the quality of the technical proposals and competitiveness of the financial proposals, and making an award decision.

    PHASE III, NEGOTIATIONS:

    Following the award of the contract to a bidder, financial closure for the transaction will require several months. During this period, the transaction advisor will assist the prospective lenders of the winning bidder in carrying out their credit analysis and, to the extent needed, assist the Government in negotiating with these lenders.

    It may be recalled that the investment cost of the TA project, to finance the recruitment of transaction advisor, is estimated at $7.5 million equivalent, including foreign exchange costs of $6.0 million and local currency costs of $1.5 million equivalent. The TA will improve the urban rapid mass transportation network in Lahore. The outcome of the TA is a structured design for the Lahore RMTS Project feasible for ADB financing.

  83. Hamid shafiq says:
    October 27th, 2008 6:00 am

    Dear asim,
    your work on lahore mass transit system is appriciable and i hope this project must be completed. i think the govt of punjab must complete this project but Govt stop all those project related to previous govt but i think previous govt project which is in good for people must be implemented. My request to hounourable chief miniter shahbaz shrif to do this project because its improve the lahoris life and may be lahore equivalent to London.
    My pray to Allah that this project must be completed and implemented.
    Hamid shafiq

  84. Asim Kaleem says:
    October 27th, 2008 9:23 am

    Thankyou very much Mr. Shafiq. I appreciate your words and understanding towards my die hard feeling for Lahore Mass Transit Project. Ya I wish it may materilaize but everytime when its about to inaugurate this project something really bad happend. I dont know is it really because of the bad luck of all the Paksitani People.

  85. Asim Kaleem says:
    October 27th, 2008 9:25 am

    Elevated Expressway to Make Lahore Rapid Mass Transit Project Obsolete

    NESPAK official says project execution would require international firm with good track record
    * TEPA official says LRMT of greater social utility
    * Steering committee chairman says available funding will be considered

    By Mansab Dogar

    LAHORE: The Punjab government

  86. Asim Kaleem says:
    October 28th, 2008 7:35 am

    Again the same problem…… How can I convey my message to chief minister that please give up the idea of Elevated Expressway. But simply impossible ……..

  87. Hamid shafiq says:
    October 29th, 2008 9:02 am

    Dear Asim,
    Thanks for your kind reply on the website but our official , bureucracy and leaders both are corrupt and they show for just wordings. Now Govt in crisis and beg the foregin help from the outside govts and show us a begger nation but why they cannot give the project to foregin people and investment from abroad?
    Similar here in Karachi mass transit is nothing just make papers submit to Govt some meetings only for tea parties and discussion of their own life. I think this nation must take time for revlution. Our people go from around the world but if you see the world mass transit system is veyr old in London oldest mass transit system these people lived in Britian in Park lane but why they cannot convert Lahore in to Lodnon because then no body go for their election office and people cannot beg the bread for these fucking leaders. My words are hard but its very true. You try to continue efforts for this project i think planning department Punjab still this project on the website and still willing to do this project but i think chief minister is still busy to stop all the project which start by the previous Govt.
    I think if you send planning commission MR salman farooqi may be he take action but he is notorius of curroption.
    Ok Allah blessed for our country.
    Hamid shafiq

  88. Asim Kaleem says:
    November 1st, 2008 8:33 pm

    Thankyou very much shafiq. Indeed u r very right and u mention all those things which are in my mind…. indeed true

  89. Asim Kaleem says:
    November 15th, 2008 5:48 pm

    Any more update about this project? How long we have to wait to hear this project will be started or is it really being abondoned bu this government………..

  90. Asim Kaleem says:
    November 17th, 2008 5:41 am

    From the Following News, it is clear the Mr. Sharif is bent upon making the Lahore Expressway project and ultimately this means no more Mass Transit Project. Indeed Tragic.
    ——————————————————–
    LAHORE PUNJAB
    Chief Minister Mian Muhammad Shahbaz Sharif has directed that timely and quality completion of all developmental projects should be ensured besides expediting the pace of ongoing projects. He said the construction work of Rawalpindi Express Way with a sum of Rs. 20 billion had been started whereas express way would be constructed on the same pattern in Lahore.
    Maximum entry and exit points will be constructed for the convenience of the citizens, he added. He was presiding over a high level meeting held to review the pace of implementation of various developmental projects in the province on Saturday. The meeting was also attended by Chief Engineer GHQ Lt. Gen. Shahid Niaz, Chairman Task Force Kh. Ahmad Hassan, Chairman Task Force Horticulture Mustafa Kamal, Chairman P&D, Secretary C&W, Director General LDA, DCO Lahore, MD NESPAK and Director General PHA.
    Addressing the meeting, Main Shahbaz Sharif said the government had initiated mega developmental projects in the province for the improvement of infrastructure as well as providing better transport facilities to the masses. He said these projects would be completed within the stipulated time and in transparent manner.
    He directed setting up maximum entry and exit points for smooth flow of traffic on Rawalpindi Express Way so that people could benefit form this project. He directed the constitution of a committee comprising representatives of FWO, Secretary C&W and Chairman P&D for removal of hurdles as well as timely completion of this project. He said the feasibility report was being prepared for construction of Express Way in Lahore which would cost Rs. 42 billion. He said he would talk to the Chinese investor for this mega project during his visit there.
    The chief minister directed that WASA and other departments should complete their work before the construction of roads in Lahore, as permission of digging would not be granted to any department after the completion of roads. He said the FWO would lay down the sewerage on these roads. He directed that the construction work of the roads of walled-city should be started from next Monday.
    Directing acceleration of the pace of construction work of Shalimar flyover, Mian Muhammad Shahbaz said maximum construction work of all the projects, including Shalimar Flyover, should be carried out at night as well so that these projects could be completed within the stipulated time. He directed that installation of 70 new tube-wells in Lahore should be completed within the next two months.
    The meeting also reviewed the pace of implementation of various development projects including Muree Road, Adiyala Road and Dipalpur Road. The IG Police Punjab was directed during the meeting to take immediate measures for handing over the Mughalpura Police Station and adjacent police building to the concerned departments for carrying out construction work. Earlier, Chief Engineer Lt. Gen.
    Shahid Niaz informed the meeting about the details of implementation on various developmental projects being completed by FOW.

  91. Asim Kaleem says:
    November 19th, 2008 4:33 pm

    Tables are turned guys, CM is still considering the Lahore Mass Transit Project and he discuss it while his meeting with China State Constructuion Company management.
    ———————————————————————–

    BEIJING, Nov 18: Punjab Chief Minister Shahbaz Sharif, who is heading a delegation on a visit to China, said here on Tuesday that his government wanted to introduce the drip irrigation technology to bring large desert areas under cultivation.

    Talking to a delegation headed by the director general of the National Centre for Efficient Irrigation Engineering and Technology Research, Mr Huang Yaoxin, Mr Sharif said he planned to bring a large part of desert areas in Cholistan and Bahawalpur under cultivation by introducing drip irrigation. Mr Yaoxin informed him that the system was working successfully in his country.Mr Sharif invited a delegation of the company to Punjab to explore the possibility of implementing the project on fast track.

    Mr Yaoxin informed the chief minister that the drip irrigation system was suitable for growing cotton, fruit, wheat and other crops.He said that in Xinjiang over one million hectares of land was being cultivated using this system.During a meeting with the president of the China State Construction and Engineering group, Mr Sharif sought CSCE

  92. mirza says:
    December 18th, 2008 8:48 am

    Asim Kaleem can you give me some information about Mubarak Center tower? i saw it on internat but i’m not sure if they building the towers.

  93. Asim Kaleem says:
    December 18th, 2008 6:58 pm

    Mirza, these days my focus is all on this Lahore Mass Transit Project. I am really worried and dont know what this present govt. of Shahbaz Sharif is going to do with this project. Sometimes from the news I feel that he is considering this project and sometime I think that he is going to completely abondoned this proejct. I dont know. Sorry I dont know much about Mubarak Center.

  94. mirza says:
    December 23rd, 2008 7:15 am

    Asim Kaleem any good news on lahore mess transit?

  95. Asim Kaleem says:
    December 23rd, 2008 5:11 pm

    Mirza ! hahahahahahah.
    As you said any New about Lahore Mess Transit, so I believe you are right, it is now no more may be Lahore Mass Transit System but Lahore Mess Transit Project.

    Right Indeed.

    I have no idea about this project and dont know what will be the fate of such an important transport system.

  96. mirza says:
    December 25th, 2008 12:34 pm

    Asim Kaleem do u have any news about karachi waterfront?
    http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=gzWRhoew2vE

  97. Asim Kaleem says:
    February 12th, 2009 5:12 pm

    Mirza! Do you have any news about pakistaniat.com. Please do tell me if you get any information about this blog

  98. Asim Kaleem says:
    February 12th, 2009 5:16 pm

    Guys! any news LRMTS …………….

  99. Owais Mughal says:
    March 25th, 2009 3:24 pm

    According to Jang update today, Governer Punjab has instructed the concerned authorities to restart the Lahore Rapid Mass Transit Rail Project today. The announcement also included an estimate of Rs 40bn to be spent on this project.

  100. Owais Mughal says:
    March 25th, 2009 10:59 pm

    Here is the news cutting from March 24, 2009

  101. Asim Kaleem says:
    April 9th, 2009 5:58 pm

    Dear Awais

    Thanks Indeed for the news, it was only good step taken by this Governor but now you know Shahbaz Sharif resume the office, So what you think again this project in Doldrum ……………..
    Uncertainity I hope………………

  102. Hamid shafiq says:
    May 15th, 2009 4:21 am

    My pray to Allah for Shahbaz sharif and his team that he start this project with foregin funding but he knows that his friends are not feeling ok. when he is in exiled he told that in interview that if he comes in power he start mass transit in all cities of punjab. one of his compaign posters has the sign of mass transit but now his thinking different because he knows if he gives this faciity to people so who gives the money to police and political agents and money resouce down so much better live on thier mood. he spend a lot of time in London he knows what type of amss transit system in london his all fmaily live in london and enjoy the life. but he cannot give this faciity to lahore people shameful for shahbaz sharif but not actual shrif.
    hamid shafiq

  103. Asim Kaleem says:
    May 27th, 2009 5:41 pm

    Ya Hamid, May be you are right but I don’t know why CM is not willing to start this Project. He’s been to Japan, China where he did discuss with the inernational companies abt the mass transit project, but get calm when came back home……………………… Dont know what;s the fate of this project.

    There could be no excuse for not starting this Project………………..

  104. hamid shafiq says:
    June 10th, 2009 7:53 am

    Dear Asim,
    He is so sharif that’s why he do not intrest in this project. The Punjab govt not run according by the spirit because he still run the govt in old style just like SHO of Police i think Muslim league Q lost the lections only two points one is judicery and second utility so i think the next govt start this old project. May be our comments can open this project, because these ruler does not travel in buses or in vans they travel in pajero jeeps, BMW and mercedese benz so why he cares of normal people. its all the make foolsih the nation by cheap acts.
    But again my pray to Allah for this projects start by oreder to chief minister in dream because these people very much afraid from dreams.
    hamid shafiq

  105. Asim Kaleem says:
    June 10th, 2009 8:16 am

    Ya Hamid, All prayers for the start of this project…………

  106. Asim Kaleem says:
    June 29th, 2009 10:12 am

    Guys … Good news, CM Punjab agrees to start the LRMTS in his speech of Launching the CNG bus project in Lahore….. Promising moments for this project but lets see….

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/urdu/pakistan/2009/06/090629_cng_buses_rr.shtml

    http://www.dailywaqt.com/openlink.asp?ddir=290609&im=fp-06.jpg

  107. Asim kaleem says:
    August 17th, 2009 5:58 pm

    Seems this project again went in cold. No such news yet……………………………..

  108. Kashif says:
    August 18th, 2009 5:58 am

    Goodluck Lahore from karachi.

  109. Kumar says:
    August 26th, 2009 1:19 pm

    All the best pak for the metro in lahore.

  110. Hamid Shafiq says:
    September 6th, 2009 2:58 am

    Dear Friends,
    i think CM is busy in Sugar mills and crisis of sugar and wheat in punjab so i think may be he does not give any attention to this project even this project needs to give oppurtunity for investors. Karachi circular railway pass by federal govt but i do not know why the CM not contacted for this project to Federal Govt?
    we are hopeful for new govt to start this project.
    hamid shafiq

  111. sulman says:
    September 10th, 2009 4:11 pm

    today metro train was opening in dubai,thanks Allah pakistan goverment also pay attentions for our great country,,,our goverment start every work so late but good to knw atleast thy start tht great project GODBLESS U ALL
    LONG LIVE PAKISTAN

  112. Asim Kaleem` says:
    October 13th, 2009 5:09 pm

    Ya friends …. hopes are there for this project ….. as Cm recently met executives of a Chineese Company Norinco Intl….. who is interested to built Lahore Mass Transit System …… I think the feasibility is almost ready completed by MVA Asia and the funds are also being rpovided by ADB ….. but lets see how much more delay ……

  113. Majid says:
    October 23rd, 2009 4:01 pm

    This is a good news Asim Kaleem.

  114. Asim Kaleem says:
    December 25th, 2009 10:35 pm

    Now the Bad News is that ….. The Asian Development Bank has canceled the T.P Loan of $6 million released last year for LRMTS T.A assistance. Thanks to our lovely C.M, whose constant opposition to this project leads to this cancellation ……… Now I believe this is the big sign of ending of another project in the bad history of Mega Projects ………..

  115. Nasir says:
    December 26th, 2009 1:56 pm

    Can anybody confirm the cancellation of this mega project?

  116. Hadi says:
    December 27th, 2009 6:45 am

    I encourage you to realize this project, in Jakarta has several years of Rapit Mass Transport Rail operation, helping accelerate the transport of people to work.

  117. Owais Mughal says:
    December 27th, 2009 8:36 am

    @Nasir. I’ve not heard or read any news of this project getting officially abandoned. I am still hopeful the project will see light of the day.

  118. Asim Kaleem says:
    April 21st, 2010 9:34 am

    Owais u r very right ………… Hopes revived for this project ……….
    —————————————————————-
    LAHORE (April 11 2010): Punjab Chief Minister, Muhammad Shahbaz Sharif presided over a meeting held with regard to Mass Transit Project. Head of Special Cell of Lahore Rapid Mass Transit Project Salman Ghani briefed about the progress of the Project. The chief minister said that Mass Transit Project is an important project and all resources would be utilised for its early completion.

    Secretary Transport, Secretary Planning and Development and other concerned officers also attended the meeting.

  119. Asim Kaleem says:
    May 16th, 2010 9:32 pm

    Further development on this project which is indeed very heartening to read is that Salman Ghani recently give details of implementing this project ……….

    details at the following link …

    http://lahoremasstransit.blogspot.com/2010/05/lahore-mass-transit-project-finally.html

  120. January 30th, 2011 10:53 pm

    I am delighted to see Mr. Salman Ghani back on this Project becasue it was in meeting him the first time in his office that I was introduced to this . Then he was reposted and reposted.
    Lahore needs this. It really does! Rapid Transit is one the best way to reduce the overpopulations of cars and the chronic clogging of the roads. There will be temporary inconvenience during the construction but it is nothing compared to the ultimate benefit.

  121. mirza says:
    February 5th, 2011 7:14 pm

    The green line completion was due in 2011, we are in 2011 now but this project hasn’t even started yet. It is so sad to hear that Pakistani politions are so corroput and selfish, they don’t care about Pakistani people. Delhi metro has bulit over 130 stations in just 8 years. Pakistani politions are just shameless. I hope Punjab Government starts this project as soon as possible and give some relif to Lahori people because Lahore traffic quite bad.

  122. Hamid Shafiq says:
    February 22nd, 2011 5:23 pm

    Dear Mirza,
    you are right the politican are curropt and selffish they dont care abour our local people. Shahbaz and nawaz family live in raiwind palace and they travel in luxusry cars with no traffic jam so they dont care what is traveling in public bus or in rickshaw they are our mughal rulers whose vision on useless projects and output zero. mllions and millions wasted on the projects but they have no money to invest in LRMTS even no body to ready invest this project and always just in stories that they start the project i think we must keep eye and write in the blogs which are related to that project. i think may b infuture any good politcian start this project. but i am sure Muslim league (NOON) not start this project becuase they are so much busy on horse trading and 10 points agenda. they blame to fedral govt related to goverence but here in punjab the governce only use to blame game.
    Muslim league do nothing for province and take hugh loans on higher intrests and people suffers again and again.
    this is actual story.

  123. fadia says:
    April 30th, 2011 3:02 pm

    Yes i Agree that mass transit Railway system is need of whole country. We should complete such rail projects quickly.

  124. June 8th, 2011 2:54 am

    Do we have the latest Route Map of Lahore Rapid Mass Transit Rail Project?

  125. June 24th, 2011 6:43 pm

    I have added the fresh route map for Lahore Rapid Mass Transit Rail Project here:

    http://eproperty.pk/lahore-rapid-mass-transit-rail-route-map/

  126. Owais Mughal says:
    June 26th, 2011 10:17 am

    Atif. Thanks for sharing the LRMTS map. Do you know how latest it is? To me it looks like from 2007.

  127. June 28th, 2011 5:26 pm

    Need is Need….all right

  128. June 29th, 2011 4:18 pm

    In fact I found this route map form a reliable resource and the latest, but if you have any latest route map with you please share.

  129. Owais Mughal says:
    July 1st, 2011 11:25 pm

    Thanks Atif. Have you seen any work on ground going on for LRMT yet? I believe this project is still on papers only.

  130. Owais Mughal says:
    July 31st, 2011 8:00 pm

    Latest news on this project appears in today’s Dawn

    http://www.dawn.com/2011/07/31/lrmt-design-being-prepared.html

  131. Bablu says:
    October 23rd, 2011 2:23 am

    Very good project, but first try to get money to run Pakistan
    railways and then try to go for this.Otherwise no country
    will give you aid. Dont try to compete with India, Pakistan
    is 50 years behind.

    Cheers

  132. arif khan says:
    November 18th, 2011 7:14 pm

    this isn’t pakistaniat its punjabiat why these projects are in punjab only what about other provinces you punjabis are eating pakistan punjab has no resources except population

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