Interview: Sufi Mohammad of TNSM, Swat

Posted on March 19, 2009
Filed Under >Adil Najam, Law & Justice, People, Politics
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Adil Najam

As the politics of intrigue and rumor heats up, even more, in Pakistan and after the recent dramatic political events, the news of Pakistan’s most important existential battle – against the extremism of the Taliban and their ilk – seems to have slid off the front pages.

Yet, a news item in The News reminds us that the murderous militants are now setting their eyes towards District Dir, after gaining control of Swat. One got a better glimpse into the mind of one of the key players in the Swat saga, Sufi Mohammed, in an interview given to Daily Times’ Peshawar Bureau Chief Iqbal Khattak. Speaking in Mingora, the 74 year-old father-in-law of militant leader Fazlulah gives many important glimpses into his own thinking and priorities.

Here is the interview published in Daily Times:

You said in a 2005 interview with us that what Al Qaeda and the Taliban are doing in Pakistan is haram. Are Fazlullah’s activities over the last sixteen months also haram?
Sufi Muhammad: Yes, I said that about Al Qaeda, but not about the Taliban. Let me say…that debate on past happenings is disallowed in Islam. A hadith sharif says, what has happened in the past should not be discussed.

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But how can we proceed without debating the past?
The hadith sharif says a Muslim should not discuss past happenings because he may not remember all the [details] and, therefore, he may…sin by not speaking the truth.

A majority of Swat residents do not think the peace deal recently signed between the TNSM and the NWFP government will last long.
God Almighty does everything; he builds and destroys countries.

Residents also doubt whether peace is possible in the presence of armed Taliban.
Everyone keeps weapons. People in Peshawar have weapons with them.

You support keeping weapons?
Yes, you can keep weapons with you.

Did you ask Fazlullah to surrender weapons after the sharia law deal?
Keeping weapons is halal in Islam.

President Zardari said recently that force would be used if the Taliban do not surrender weapons in Swat.
His statement is childish…immature.

With sharia law in Swat, there will be a complete ban on music and girls’ education, and people will be forced to grow beards?
There are five subjects — judiciary, politics, economics, education and the executive. The judicial subject will be with us, the rest is beyond our control.

The Taliban are kidnapping government officials and killing soldiers, yet you still hold the army responsible for ceasefire violations.
Kidnapping cases are taking place all over the world. The military violated the ceasefire.

The military says some of its soldiers were shot dead while bringing water.
No. This is not the case. The soldiers were not killed near any stream.

Are soldiers moving freely in Swat after the peace deal?
No. The military cannot move freely unless peace is restored.

After peace is restored, will the army leave Swat?
This is Pakistan’s army and Swat is within Pakistan’s borders. I will have no objection if a military cantonment is established here.

Locals say innocent people have been killed. Will the aggrieved families be able to get justice?
I have told you already: we will not discuss what has happened in the past. Sharia law does not allow this.

If a court summons a key Taliban commander, will he appear before the court?
If Caliph Umar (RA) can appear before a court, then why can’t others?

So Fazlullah will also appear in court if summoned?
If he does not… he will be acting against the sharia law.

What you did in Malakand in the 1990s and then in Afghanistan in 2001 you called ‘jihad’. Are Fazlullah’s activities over the last 16 months in Swat also jihad?
I do not want to speak on this.

What are Fazlullah’s plans after the peace deal?
He will support imposition of sharia law.

You have termed democracy ‘infidelity’. But Maulana Sami-ul Haq, Maulana Fazlur Rehman and Qazi Hussain Ahmad are taking part in the democratic process.
Democracy is not permissible in sharia law. I will not name [these leaders] but they are taking part in infidelity. I will not offer prayers if one of [these leaders] is leading those prayers.

Do you intend to export sharia law to other parts of Pakistan?
If people help me, I will. Otherwise, no.

67 Comments on “Interview: Sufi Mohammad of TNSM, Swat”

  1. Yahya says:
    March 20th, 2009 12:46 am

    This is a truly dangerous man. A real enemy of Pakistan and someone who is twisting religion for his treason against Pakistan.

  2. Neena says:
    March 20th, 2009 1:28 am

    Nice logic if you have no sane answer then say you won’t discuss past. And we are making deals with these idiots, shame on Pakistani government and Pakistani Army and its western allies and more to those strikers who come on streets for their seats but not for injustice happening to innocents in Swat.

  3. Riaz Haq says:
    March 20th, 2009 1:45 am

    Clearly, Sufi interprets the Swat deal differently than Zardari and Wali do, particularly in terms of the right to carry arms, although he may be more moderate relative to his son-in-law Fazalullah. He will do whatever he sees fit and believe it’s Shariah. He will not accept any advice from or give much credence to established Islamist politicians like Fazlur Rahman and Qazi Husain. This is pretty much what I expect from the man. Though it does worry me, but there are no surprises here.

  4. Fakhar says:
    March 20th, 2009 1:54 am

    Jhoot bolta hai

    Be imaan he

  5. Aamir Ali says:
    March 20th, 2009 3:25 am

    Shame on ANP for surrendering to likes of Sufi M and Fazlullah and shame on media for supporting this surrender and calling it “peace”.

  6. March 20th, 2009 3:31 am

    Discussing the past is not allowed in shariah???

    This is a first for me. And I am afraid that this will be far from the last of such absurdities that we will get to hear. And at some level, sadly, it doesn’t surprise me.

    Sincerely hoping for a better more saner future for Pakistan.


  7. faisal says:
    March 20th, 2009 3:38 am

    This is the same guy who took hundreds of kids to “Jihad” in Afghanistan and got them killed, and then pleaded to the Govt. for his protection from the parents of those kids.

    I would say, instead of confronting them now, let them have it their way and contain them there. They don’t have any vision any plan or whatever, and they are cruel as hell. The more you confront them the more powerful and vicious they will become. People of Swat will pretty soon get very fed up with them.

    Lets face it, civil and military leadership has no clue how to deal with people who are fanatic enough to send 15-16 years old kids on suicide bombings.

  8. Nadeem says:
    March 20th, 2009 4:17 am

    .. such insane guyz can be controlled through insane measures.. Army must screw them up.. they are altering Islam to their own agendas.. the Islam they are imposing, simply disregarding the most authentic and natural religion..

  9. Tazeen says:
    March 20th, 2009 6:28 am

    Oh boy, discussing past is haram. That would make any kind of jurisprudence haram. If you cannot discuss past, you can commit any crime and get away with it on this logic that you cannot discuss what happened in past.


  10. Bloody Civilian says:
    March 20th, 2009 7:36 am

    ANP (which is a civililan, political party, not an armed group) has lost more than a hundred people just in Swat. Leaders like Alam Zeb and others across the NWFP have been killed. Afzal Khan, despite losing half his family and being shot twice himself, remains the only sign of resistance (alas, this old man’s brave stand has failed to have any effect at all on the Pakistani conscience). The Army has continued to lose ground for two years now. It has failed to protect the people of Swat. It has effectively surrendered. Islamabad has offered no help or encouragement to the people of Swat or of NWFP. The PPP has been more interested in expanding the cabinet in Islamabad, and adding the Punjab cabinet to their power to extend patronage (rather than build political consensus through honest action).

    May be the army (or elements therein) does see these ‘jihadis’ as an asset – a paramilitary force on the cheap. May be PML(N) see both the armed and unarmed mullahs as its constituency. May be many people in Pakistan want Sharia Law and are neither prepared nor able to question the contents too much. They are obviously not prepared to march to Swat to rescue the half a million *Pakistani* girls there… the way they were prepared to march to Constitution Avenue. The media see the capitulation to this mad man (and his madder son-in-law and his even madder men/beasts) variously as ‘what the people want’, ‘this is our own people’, ‘this is america’s war’, ‘the only option left for peace’.

    This is the End of Time for Swat. Sufi has said that there is no need for the President to sign the ‘instrument of surrender’. He has already declared Year Zero (Pol Pot style, except he quotes a hadith to declare the past haram!). Those who think this will not spillover to the rest of Pakistan have their heads firmly burried in the sand. This is an ideology. It cannot be stopped by “plugging four bridges over the Indus” (as apathetically and idiotically claimed by Gen. Hamid Nawaz). Indeed, this ideology already exists in various parts of the country. The seed is already spread.

    It is difficult to say how state authority, once eroded, can be claimed back. History shows it to be nearly impossible. With even the people being confused if not guilty of equivocation, what hope is left. “Those whom the gods wish to destroy they first make mad.”

  11. banjara286 says:
    March 20th, 2009 8:26 am

    i am really amazed at some of the comments on this blog. the state which is responsible for protecting life and property and rights of its citizens has abandoned the people of swat and nwfp. the national army will not fight the militants. but the blame for making deal with the militants is all with anp. what the hell are they supposed to do when the rest of the nation has failed them. stilol we sit and scream treason and shame on this and shame on that. i tell what. shame on u and shame on us all.

  12. faisal says:
    March 20th, 2009 8:33 am

    @ banjara286

    You sir fail to see that insurgency can not be defeated without the local support. We have seen that in Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq and then Afghanistan again and now in our midst.

    On top of that when the military intensify the operation our media and politicians start crying “oh but these are our people.”

    Unless people of Swat rise up against these very barbaric people and help the Govt., you can not do anything.

  13. March 20th, 2009 9:19 am

    A very good insight into a mind which is playing an increasingly important role in shaping future of Pakistan. He has said in his interview that he is only concerned with the judicial matters and other pillars of state will not be touched. As long as he stays true to his word, I do not have any qualms.

  14. Hameed says:
    March 20th, 2009 9:36 am

    rightly said. this man is very very dangerous. He has no idea what he is saying. he is making up hadith and religious injunctions. and he absolutely believes that he is not only right but doing his duty to God. The nonsense about past cannot be talked about. What the hell does that mean? Does that mean we can’t also talk about the time of the Prophet? Give me a break.

    I read this nonsense and remember the earlier post here on how do you become a Maulana?????

  15. Bloody Civilian says:
    March 20th, 2009 10:20 am

    Faisal, what convoluted logic. The army and the state have given every impression of utter impotence and total lack of will for the last two years. They abandon the people of Swat to the Taliban. Left at their mercy, with no sign that we will ever stand up for them, fight for them, and along side them. Yet we want them to stand up to the Taliban! So they can be slaughtered, whole sale. Why do you think the Taliban have been slaughtering them for the last two years? Find out about the brave stands all these unarmed civilians have taken. Look at everything that Afzal Khan is going through. He refused to leave his village even to get hospital treatment for bullet wounds – both times when he was shot. He keeps burrying his kith and kin, killed by the Taliban. So do the rest of his people. Swatis are and have always been an unarmed people. This is NOT FATA. While the Army of 587,000 stand and watch. In fact, look away. So does Islamabad. For the media to say that half a million girls paying the price for this ‘peace’ with their lives and every human freedom, is fair, is cruelty and cowardice of the worst kind. To suggest that it’s the Swatis own fault shows some gall. To suggest that it is their own choice, is to shamelessly dishonour all the Swatis killed in the last two years.

    These men are unwilling to ever let go of the gun. The new ‘Amir-ul-Momineen’ of Swat is willing to ‘let’ the Army have a cantonment in Swat for they know they have nothing to fear from the army! He considers Qazi Hussain, Fazlurrehman, Sami-ul-Haq to be infidels. They, and NS and Imran Khan better wake up to the fact that these people will never let go of their weapons. So there can be no negotiations.. no ‘partnership’. Except Fazlurrehman and Qazi Hussain have no qualms about picking up arms and stand alongside Sufi and Fazlullah, when the time is right. They ‘participate’ in democracy extremely reluctantly.

    Sikander H, All Sufi means by saying he only has control over justice is that he is not responsible for law and order or creating jobs and economic opportunities. Yet, he will make sure that anybody daring to send his daughter to school is flogged, any one doing anything Sufi and his men don’t like would be beheaded. The ‘due process’ will be before Qazis hand picked by him, who themselves can end up being beheaded, and the only legal authority admissible in court will be the Quran and Hadith. Seeing that he takes a hadith to mean that the past is haram… hold on to your seats (or ‘infidel’ heads). If Green Chowk can turn in to Zibahkhana Chowk, so can China Chowk, Kalma Chowk, Teen Talwar. Given our present state of apathy and confusion, it’s only a matter of time.

  16. Faizan Ghaznavi says:
    March 20th, 2009 10:51 am

    What a crazy, ignorant terrorist. Do not fall for this guy’s “Islamic” approach. There is no place in Pakistan society for this caveman. It is a duty of every Muslim to expel heretics like this. This man goes against Islam. May he be punished.

  17. Qausain says:
    March 20th, 2009 11:13 am

    //what has happened in the past should not be discussed.//
    ^ ye nai chez lay kar aye hain molvi saab market main Sharia ka mazaq urranay kay lia, or pata nahi konsi Sharia nafiz karnay ja rahay hain kay jismain Fazlullah exempt hay or ghareebo kay galay katay ja rahin hain :/

  18. Blofeld says:
    March 20th, 2009 11:26 am

    Wonderful, impressive, priceless!

    So now people can rob or kill anyone with impunity because by the time the perpetrator will be apprehended, the actions committed by him will be considered a thing of the past!

    I am sure after reading this interview scores of non-muslims will enter fold of islam, and as for me, a born muslim, i am already feeling like a refreshed, enlightened, born-again muslim just by virtue of reading this interview.

  19. Pakistani says:
    March 20th, 2009 11:50 am

    This is scary. How do you negotiate with someone who thinks like this.


  20. aTii says:
    March 20th, 2009 12:17 pm

    Another very intersting post from Adil. There is a whole lot that can be discussed on this topic, but I rather save it for some other time. I do however want to say that such a very long time ago, some group of muslims decided to stop being innovative, stop questioning anything and declared Islam to be a religion of blind faith and devoted followers. It took good number of centuries for it to become twisted enough to create fanatics with no real world knowledge, zero literacy and yet craziness of modern world suicide jihad.
    Bloody civilian made come good points and I was little surprised at SH comments “As long as he stays true to his word, I do not have any qualms”. Juidiciary is a vital place in any system, and such people should not have any place in any society. Its sad that Islam is hardly what today’s muslim world represent it. I cant debate much on that. But honestly, such so called muslims with some creppy sharia, gives me hair raising creeps.
    Sometimes its hard to even know what Islam really is but If its what this mulla khoosat thinks it is, I am afraid, i dont want to be a such muslim. I will just stick to my roza, namaz, zakat, prayers, and live my life with some humility and fear for life after and call my self islami.. .. whatever..
    First of all, its the modern world definition of islam, that’s very disturbing and untrue, than the world politics and muslim representation that is even more disturbing.
    I am not an expert on SWAT topic but really, IF Hazrat Umar RA felt responsible for providing food to poor and a death of an animal because of lack of food as responsibility of the kalifa or state, then i dont care what you call it .,, kalipha or PM or president, it is State’s responsiblity to define a well balanced, truely just system and implement it in god forsaken Swat. As far as I know, swatti people are very friendly, peace loving, beautiful part of Pakistan. Any talibani or non taliban Fazullah type schemes are GADHARI to the state and should hold capital punishment. Unless a state hold its integrity, crazy heads will keep popping up and inncoent people will keep suffering..

  21. Kinan says:
    March 20th, 2009 12:29 pm

    Every case run in the judiciary is based on evidence and discussions based on the past. How can someone run courts if he claims that Hadith doesn’t allow for such discussions.

    …and he is supposedly better compared to Fazaullah, God knows what crooked, irrational believes he has.

  22. zia m says:
    March 20th, 2009 1:21 pm

    Islamic scholars need to revive Mutazili school of thought that was based on reason and logic with their demise Islamic golden age ended as well.
    If not,we should wait for another Kamal Ataturk.

  23. lida says:
    March 20th, 2009 1:32 pm

    all i can say is that

    ” Pao bhangra!!!!!”
    Pakistan ki balle balle ho ne wali hai!!!!

    These Mulla type people need to be boarded up in one ship …
    and let the ocean decide what will be done to them!!!

    One Jahil Mulla is more dangerous than 1,000 terrorists!!!

    Wake up Moderate Pakistani’s ..these people will be knocking your door soon!!!

    I don’t even think they knock…they blow it up!!!

  24. yawar says:
    March 20th, 2009 1:42 pm

    An absolute jahil!

    It is very surprising that people seem to expect a different outcome after allowing and supporting the ignorant, self serving, two-faced Mullahs to go unchecked for the past 60 years.

    That the Sunni mullahs are now labeling each other as infidels is no surprise. Keep on looking the other way while the minorities get massacred. Very soon it will be your turn, as there will be no one left to qualify as a Muslim in the entire country!

  25. Neena says:
    March 20th, 2009 2:14 pm

    Now I’m waiting for “(un)biased” Urdu media to play its role and publish and air his views but who am I kidding they’re another face of such stupids.

    It just shows Zia factor is still very powerful in our country and in the Army.

  26. Atif says:
    March 20th, 2009 5:20 pm

    We need a long march for Swat.

  27. Musaddiq Virk says:
    March 20th, 2009 6:53 pm

    The Army is keeping these Mullals and Sufies or what ever the hell to just get money from the west, they are not going anywhere any time soon. Think about it guys.

  28. readinglord says:
    March 20th, 2009 8:08 pm

    I wonder why this man is called Sufi? He is a simple ‘Islamic Badmash’ and ANP his ‘secular pimps’. Where are the drones? What a price we are going to pay for our fake Islam and fake nuclear ‘assets’? May God help us!

  29. Bloody Civilian says:
    March 20th, 2009 8:30 pm

    M Virk: You’re right. Swat is seen as a ‘manageable’, staged risk in order to speed up the Kerry-Biden (previously Kerry-Lugar) Bill. Except, the Pak Army and (Punjabi) Establishment are gravely mistaken in thinking that it is manageable. And that $15 billion will solve this and several other problems. This will spread. Also, $15billion ‘earned’ by abandoning half a million girls in Swat to life imprisonment in their own homes… will bring nothing but more misery to the country. The country cannot get away with treating the value of a Swati girl’s life and freedom differently than that of a girl from Sargodha, Lahore, or Karachi.

    The Taliban mentality is already spreading. Neither its natural trajectory nor its logical destination can be denied… no matter how hard we try to deceive ourselves. Asfandiyar Wali cannot say the truth as stated in the paragraph above. He will be banished by the Establishment if he did. And he is now too used to the good life in Islamabad to risk banishment.

  30. Derek says:
    March 20th, 2009 9:58 pm

    What is civil war ?

    I think Pakistan is in the midst of civil war, but cannot admit it.

    Your Friend,

  31. fatima says:
    March 21st, 2009 1:08 am

    heard a new thing
    things happened in the past should not be discussed

    i broke a law and it happened in the past so i shouldnt be punished for it.

  32. Mercede75 says:
    March 21st, 2009 3:26 am

    It is the result of cultivating a “Jihadi” culture for so many years. If Zia ul Haq were alive he would have been helpless the same way as our recent governments.

    About “Islam does not allow remembering the past”:
    1) In the Ahad war, second war between Islam and Kufr, Hamza, the uncle of prophet Muhammad was badly injured. Hinda, Abu Sufiyan

  33. Sameer says:
    March 21st, 2009 3:43 am

    I am impressed with the comments written by Pakistanis. I used to take all pakis as jihadis or jahils or living in a fool’s land. You guys are humans too and like to live a peaceful life for the betterment of your families and the society as a whole. If you educate your fellow beings in a broader platform that will help your neighbour and rest of the world.

  34. Till the 'Drone' Doth Us Part says:
    March 21st, 2009 5:57 am

    I do not agree with most of what Sufi Mohammed says but I think Sufi Mohammed is one of the reasons the insurgency in Swat did not become a separatist movement. Since the martyrdom of Nek Muhammad in 2004 it has been the tradition of the American moles of the establishment to use peace-making only to buy time until America has assassinated the other party to the peace pact. This should stop. Anyone who has the slightest regard for Pakistan should know that if Sufi Mohammed is harmed, the generation-next Taliban of Maulana Fazlullah will have no hesitation in joining hands with the enemy. That India has infiltrated the Taliban ranks is well-known given the number of uncircumcised ‘Taliban’ corpses found after battles.

    America makes no secret of its desire to dismember Pakistan. The Balochistan separatist movement which was little-known apart from the “governments in exile” in Israel and UK and the occasional bombings in Kohlu and even the Baltistan secessionists are being supported championed as the new causes of freedom, liberation, democracy, whatever else US/UK Bull crap you want to call excuses for attacking Muslim countries. Liberating those parts of Pakistan is as high on the Zionist agenda as Darfur, Kurdistan etc.

    Is it not a coincidence therefore that John Solecki the American head of the UNHCR remains kidnapped, faces execution deadlines unless the Pakistan government meets the demands of the kidnappers. And then when the deadline passes without Mr Solecki being beheaded, the kidnappers take instructions from London and Washington and renew the deadlines? Has Mr Solecki actually been kidnapped? Or has he been given paid leave from his day-time CIA job?
    This mock ‘kidnapping’ should be investigated, never mind if John Solecki lives or dies as should the rest of the facts behind the Baloch separatist by failed feudal leaders who tried the same with the help of the Soviets in the ’70′s.

    And now, enters the Obama administration, keen to bomb Balochistan with drones. We all know now why Mr Solecki is being kept alive despite the passage of numerous deadlines…

  35. Aamir Ali says:
    March 21st, 2009 2:58 pm


    Swat is no longer practically speaking part of Pakistan, so Sufi Mohammed, Fazlullah and Nek Mohammed all succeeded in their murderous and separatist agendas.

    The problem isn’t America, its our internal terrorists and those who are blind to our internal terrorists, like you.

    Maybe India should educate its citizens better about its neighborhood so that you don’t have to be so surprised about facts of life.

  36. Neena says:
    March 21st, 2009 3:22 pm

    The link to the interview is broken. Here is the right link\19\story_19-3-2009_pg3_4

  37. March 21st, 2009 4:13 pm

    If we cannot discuss the past then there is no capacity for discussing legal precedents or history, or even last week’s football match. Burn your family photos lest they tempt you to sin!

    And the examples of the Prophet (peace be upon him) are all from centuries long past so if we cannot disuss the past we may not discuss any hadith.

    May Allah protect us all from so-called “leaders” who glorify ignorance and violence.

  38. AZRA says:
    March 21st, 2009 4:25 pm

    Actually, I think he is a a good politician. Great argument for not discussing past crimes. And keep answers simple. God help Pakistan.

    By that way, glad you guys are finally on Facebook. Helps one keep up with new posts here.

  39. Bloody Civilian says:
    March 21st, 2009 5:05 pm

    The poor ta

  40. Mohsin says:
    March 21st, 2009 5:43 pm

    We should not give any serious consideration to such illiterate mullah’s. Eliminate them by slow and gradual process , you CANNOT eliminate them by force. This deal would surely expose their true face to the people of sawat. But we should show some patience till the people of Sawat turns against him. At the momet he is enjoying full support.

    Secondly, Sawat was always a hub of criminals. From murderers to car thief all were in abundance there. We have to understand the tradition and culture of that area before taking anything against this jahil mulla

  41. Bloody Civilian says:
    March 21st, 2009 6:00 pm


    1. You are confusing Swat with FATA. “At the momet he is enjoying full support.” This must be why thousands of Swatis have been killed by the Taliban, including public beheadings! Visit Swat, talk to the 300,000 refugees from Swat, and read about Swat’s history…. before making totally uniformed statements.

    2. You don’t know anything about FATA either. Fugitives from the law were able to find refuge there because the state of Pakistan utterly failed in absorbing these very poor people in to the rest of lawful Pakistan through economic and infrastructure development, as contemplated by Jinnah (instead of the British policy of containment through force which Jinnah immediately dropped). Yet their loyalty to Pakistan was such that we never had to post a single Pakistani soldier at our western borders despite the greater Pakhtunistan movement, our deplorable relations with Afghnistan, and even when the Soviet Red Army was in Afghanistan for 10 years! Wake up to facts of history.

  42. Obaid says:
    March 21st, 2009 6:07 pm

    “There are five subjects

  43. March 21st, 2009 6:29 pm

    So discussing the Past is not allowed. Hmm. Going by that logic, surely this Hadith didn’t descend upon him there and then did it?

  44. Aamir Ali says:
    March 21st, 2009 6:39 pm


    Swat was a peaceful and progressive valley and a top tourism area.

    FATA on the other hand, with its irregular status inside Pakistan, has been a haven for criminals, fugitives and terrorists. Both FATA and Swat are not the victims of the “Manufactured Jihad” policy of Zia ul Haq that has been in effect since 1980.

  45. Social Mistri says:
    March 21st, 2009 9:48 pm

    Here are the things I don’t understand:

    1) When these murderers are captured, why doesn’t the ISI knock them out, and embed a gps tracker in their bloodstream, or radioactive materials that can be picked up by sensors. They will go back to the “source” upon release, and then we hellfire the crap out of them.

    2) When we are having peace talks with these mullahs, such as Sufi, why don’t we lace their rooh afza with a slow acting poison that causes them to expire in a few months. Invite them all to peace talks with rooh afza, I say.

    3) When we hold peacetalks in the presence of a hostile “Shura”, why do we not release slow-acting poisonous gas against which our government representatives are already innoculated. Anything that does away with these butchers over a period of a few months is fine.

    4) Why do we not make use of significant bribes to buy their cousins, uncles and brothers and pay them to kill their militant relatives.

    5) Why don’t we set them up and make them into laughing stocks in their own constituency. For instance, we did not adequately get the right kind of mileage from the burkha pictures of the Red Mosque maulvi. We should label him a cross dresser, which is haram. Similarly, we need to photograph these maulvis and Taliban in compromising situations, distribute pamphlets with these pictures far and wide and kill their credibility. There are lots of creative ways…

    6) The nonsense about “we don’t have FM jammers” is exactly that. Nonsense. Not only do we have FM jammers, we also have the capability to overpower Fazlullah’s FM transmissions, on the same frequency, with a more powerful broadcast. One of the things we can and should do is to sample his voice and use his own radio frequency to spread false messages/declarations against allied tribals he relies on. Follow that up with a sniper attack on said tribal. See all hell break lose. This is not hard for the ISI to do. Cause his allies to believe Fazlullah has turned on them. Watch them turn on him.

    7) All these guys transport weapons on Hilux 4x4s. They need tracks and roads and in the areas where they operate, there aren’t too many Hilux capable tracks. We need to have permanent aerial surveillance, such as stationary airships. This, too, is not beyond our capabilities. Monitor everything. Picking up a number plate or determining whether the convoy is hostile or not is not impossible. See a Hilux with Taliban on it, take it out. Artillery can be pre-positioned to aim for transit and choke points. When a drone is in the area, use it.

    I am not even getting into a debate of whether these guys are good or bad. Whether Sufi is different to Fazlullah or whatever. The fact is that these people have murdered innocent Pakistanis, including our heroic servicemen. They need to reap what they sow. It just needs to be done in a way that is not so direct that it causes them to unite. We have to turn them at each other and poisoning, doctored broadcasts, assasinations, bribery etc. are all viable means of achieving this.

  46. Mohsin says:
    March 21st, 2009 10:28 pm

    Whats the solution of this problem ? Instead of discussing the terror of Taliban and Government’s failure , why cant we suggest some possible solutions.? Use of force is certainly NOT the ideal one. Do we have any other quick solution?
    If people of Sawat are not supporting Sufi Muhammad then why the hell they are moving back to Sawat from the refugee camps?

  47. Gorki says:
    March 21st, 2009 11:24 pm

    @ Drone
    Your post and your way of thinking should be discouraging to any friend of Pakistan to say the least. You make a case for allowing Sufi Mohammad a free hand in Swat lest his successors are even worse than him. You claim America desires to dismember Pakistan and the above deal is necessary to preserve Pakistan.

    I ask you a rhetorical question; what is it that makes America, Pakistan, or for that matter any nation worth saving from dismemberment; worth fighting for, worth dying for?

    Consider how America answered this question. It fought its bloodiest war fighting for a principle that it was morally reprehensible to hold anyone; black or white in subjugation. That civil war brought America, then a young nation to the brink of bankruptcy and dismemberment yet it fought on till it prevailed. It was then led by a man who is today worshiped like a minor deity by his country. His biggest achievement, in his own words was that

  48. Aamir Ali says:
    March 21st, 2009 11:41 pm

    People are moving back to Swat because of the temporary peace that this “peace agreement” has brought. Its not like Swatis are wealthy people with multiple homes in other parts of Pakistan.

    Sufi Mohammed has never won an election and operates through threats and force. That is not called “support of the people”.

  49. Watan Aziz says:
    March 22nd, 2009 12:45 am

    Ignorance Meets More Ignorance

    There are three kinds of interviews; a press release interview; a Q&A (challenge) interview and an ignorant interviewer interviewing and equally ignorant interviewee.

    This is an exhibit #1 of the third (the ignorant) type. These kinds of interviews always make me wonder who is more ignorant, the interviewee or the interviewer? Heads, you win; tails, you win.

    ~~Locals say innocent people have been killed. Will the aggrieved families be able to get justice?
    I have told you already: we will not discuss what has happened in the past. Sharia law does not allow this.

    If a court summons a key Taliban commander, will he appear before the court?
    If Caliph Umar (RA) can appear before a court, then why can

  50. Hussain says:
    March 22nd, 2009 1:45 am

    Mr. Watan Aziz, I am afraid you are the one who is acting like the “ignorant educated” or as you say elsewhere the snobbish “bau”.

    The poor Daily Times reporter from Peshawar who took the interview (and probably risked his life doing so) is nearly certainly less of a “bau” than those reading or writing here. If you cannot thank him for doing the interview and sharing it with armchair know-alls like yourself, at least have the decency to stay quiet.

    No offense meant, but ver-analysis of this sort is usually a sign that you need an “analysts” help :-)

  51. D_a_n says:
    March 22nd, 2009 3:26 am

    @ Watan Aziz…

    couldnt disagree with you more. Your comments were not without merit but were based on assumptions which are fantasy at best…and did not take into account the purpose of the interview and the circumstances surrounding it

    I agree that more forceful followup questions could have quickly made the ‘Sufi’ to look like an even bigger Jahil and ignorant bas***d than he is….but you forget the fact that this reporter did his work probably at great, great risk to his life….and if you expect that by asking the follow up questions that you asked, he would have been allowed to live….your smoking some top grade stuff my friend…

    so your critique is totally off point and unwarranted…
    Kudo’s to this reported and to the dailytimes for this piece….actually after this answers…NO follow up questions are needed as they will further confirm what we and everyone else with half a mind and knowledge of Islam ALREADY knows….that the man is a Jahil Fraud and is infact committing blasphemy by basically making up Hadith and tenants of Deen during the interview….completely academic exercise…..

  52. Till the 'Drone' Doth Us Part says:
    March 22nd, 2009 4:38 am

    Mr Gorki,

    I assume you are trying to address me but I do not understand your surreal argument (not that I am under any obligation to do so). I suggest you print off your writing and take it to the nearest US Embassy who may inform you that the American civil war happened in the 19th century whilst the current new world order agenda of destroying Muslim statehood came into existence after ( with Pakistan’s help) America had won the Cold War. I do not propose to engage any further with you.

  53. D_a_n says:
    March 22nd, 2009 10:09 am

    @ Sameer…

    Freeing you from your self inflicted ignorance is but one of the free services we who linger around at ATP provide to you and many others who have somehow managed to create a world view based entirely on…(surprise, surprise) bollywood…

  54. Farooq says:
    March 22nd, 2009 7:43 pm

    I am so glad that Daily Times had this interviewed and ATP has reproduced it. It shows everyone just how dangerous and incoherent this man is and why dealing with them is useless.

  55. Gorki says:
    March 22nd, 2009 10:53 pm

    @ D_a_n
    Like you I too cringed when I first saw Sameer

  56. Bloody Civilian says:
    March 23rd, 2009 5:59 pm

    Till The ‘Drone’ Doth Us Part: I am with you. Lets not give the Americans or any of our enemies the sordid pleasure of destroying Pakistan. Lets do it ourselves, instead. Great logic. Masterful plan. I have already printed it off and sent it to the nearest US Embassy, and I can imagine them squirming in their great dissappointment and disgust.

  57. Sajjad says:
    March 23rd, 2009 6:35 pm

    Why dont these people use some of thier brains. They have no idea that someone is operating them. I bet its quite an easy project to operate a group in third world, just look around.

  58. March 24th, 2009 5:59 am

    The representative of Qirdatun Khasi’een says

    “There are five subjects

  59. Babar says:
    March 24th, 2009 7:00 am

    “The Drone” is the living example of Sufi’s logic. Since the American civil war happened in the past, there are no lessons to be learned from that. Infact it is harm to even discuss that.

  60. Ayesha says:
    March 24th, 2009 1:30 pm

    Thank you for putting this interview. This is what we are up again. Ignorance and great confidence that the ignorant speak for God!

  61. readinglord says:
    March 24th, 2009 7:46 pm

    Oh my great country, India, from Khyber Pass to Calcutta, wherein I was born, shrinked to Pakiland, with its Constitution reduced to a ‘Fatwa’ and leadership sunk from Jinnah to Sufi.

    As Faiz said:

    “Kahein to ho ga shabe sust mouj ka saahil
    Kahein to ja ke ruke ga safinaa-e-gham-e-dil”

  62. Pride says:
    March 25th, 2009 7:18 am

    Whether supported by the govt or Not is a big question Mark. If not then really Dangerous.

  63. Watan Aziz says:
    March 29th, 2009 11:28 pm

    Produce one interview, heretofore, of this journalist, or for that matter, any other, with any ignorant mullah, at any place, at any time that demonstrates that the journalist has a capacity and a clarity on the issues of faith. I ask, is there one journalist who challenged the ignorant mullah over his ignorance?

    I have never seen one, in either English or Urdu media, within or without Pakistan. Frankly, are the interviews any sounder in the Pakistani Urdu/English media in US? Do you think the interviewer is in any danger there? I would like to see just one!

    I ask, if one exists, I will withdraw the very warranted commentary.

    Pakistani journalism is a sham, both the English (pontiffs amuck) and Urdu (hot winds). And we are not here in this mess without their being part of the problem. I am not impressed with their style of reporting. Nor am I impressed with their shock, chaos and mayhem style of keeping people in an organized state of despair. It does not permit good people to think through the problems and arrive at good conclusions. Fro these journalists, it is either conspiracy theories, political gossip or press release for or against a person or an idea. There is an absence of both original thought and hard core research, especially, on matters of faith. Clueless.

    And I am not sitting here, ignoring my

  64. DAr says:
    April 5th, 2009 1:10 pm

    this interview shows me that mr. sufi muhammad is not a pure and real moulana and i am in shuck about that whether he is muslim???
    he is just using ISLAM for his hidden purposes because when he is asked the questions which go against his ideas or he feels difficulty to answer theses questions( due to lack of knowledge of islam) he sys donot discuss past…

    Ya ilahi sab ko sidhi rah dikha aameen…….

  65. April 20th, 2009 2:07 pm

    I think Sufi Muhammad is pure in his faith although not a prominent scholar .Such prominent scholars always proved themselves a hurdles in the way of implementation of Islamic Shariah as it was in direct conflict their vested interets one example is Mulana Faizulr Rahman.So according to the surveys conduccted by impartial media forums majority of people not in swat or NWFP parts but also in Punjab supported Sufi’s movement as the common man needs speedy justice which he can not expect from the prevvailing system of Pakitan

  66. Md. Salahuddin Khan says:
    April 20th, 2009 10:54 pm

    It is reported that the great companion of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) Hazrat Abuzar Ghaffari (rz) once requested the Prophet to appoint him Governor of some province. Prophet Muhammad politely replied O!Abuzar, you should decline the leadership of even two persons if at any time it is offered to you. Hazrat Abuzar was the great Sahabi (companion) and was very close to Prophet Muhammad. He was simple, pure and austere in his life style and remained steadfast with Islamic zeal and fervour till his death. Even with these praiseworthy qualities of Hazrat Abuzar, the Prophet declined him granting governorship due to lack of qualities required for managing the complexities of a civil society. When Prophet appointed one of his companion as Governor, the Prophet asked him to be soft to the people and not harsh, to take low quality in tax and not the good, to provide easy options and not the difficult one to the people.
    When Hazrat Umar was conferred with the responsibility of Khilafah, the simple Islamic State of Medinah has expanded to the a very large territory bordering with the then civilised worlds of Iran and Rome. New challenges arose to manage the complexities of a vast State with diversities of cultural groups. Hazrat Umar applied his creative mind, consulted with intellectual Sahaba, adopted methods of other civilizations with necessary modification as per Islamic spirit. During famine period, he softened the implementation of Shariah law of theft. Not only Hazrat Umar, all the righteous Khalifa Hazrat Abu Bakr Siddiq, Hazrat Usman Ghani, Hazrat Ali (rz) applied their creative mind to implement the Shariah in changing situation with the basic formula that ‘Shariah is not a burden, it is actually meant for liberating the individual and the society from burden. It is the basic principle of Fiqh “to provide ‘yusr’ (easiness) and NOT ‘usr’ (hardship)”.
    Irrational attitude in applying the Shariah shall lead to great misunderstanding about Islam and it would be an ‘un-Islamic’ act in the garb of ‘Islam’. Sufi Muhammad, despite having good intention, would be accountable for the act of harshness, irrational behaviour and fatawas inconsistent to the spirit of Islam as contained in Quran and Sunnah. No doubt the present social, economic, judicial and political system in Muslim countries are aped to the Western civilization – something good, something to be modified and something to be discarded. But the processes of change needs democratic institutions, mass education and adoption of accepted norms of a civil society. If God commands that Prophet is not a ‘dictator’ to impose the revealed Islamic life-system on people without their willingness, no one should adopt the method of coersion to impose Islamic shariah on people. May Allah guide us all including so-called Islamic zealots to understand the true spirit of Islam.

  67. AHAMD says:
    May 3rd, 2009 6:37 pm


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