Emergency in Pakistan: What Can You Do?

Posted on November 11, 2007
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Adil Najam

Protest by students at LUMS, Lahore against emergency in PakistanThe frustration and anger that one finds in the comments on the Emergency imposed by Gen. Musharraf in Pakistan is mirrored everywhere. In every conversation one has with any Pakistani anywhere. I was in Pakistan till last weekend and this pent-up feeling of frustration was evident in every conversation even before the Emergency was imposed.

It is, of course, a complex feeling emanating from the complex dynamics of our complex politics. At its very core, however, is the burning desire to be able to “do something” about what is happening made all the intense by a sense of helplessness about exactly what it is that we as citizens might, in fact, be able to do that might make a difference.
Since Saturday every conversation I have had with Pakistanis ends in exactly this question. What can we do? I have an in-box full of emails asking me to sign a petition, attend a meeting, say this or that to the media if I speak to them, join a protest, pass on a message, do this or that on ATP, join a conference call to plan a strategy, send out notes to my contacts, and so much more. There have been call after call from friends and acquaintance many of whom not even Pakistanis who just want to talk and share the intensity of their disgust at how the events are unfolding.

Of course, at the basest level doing anything – anything at all – has a cathartic effect and makes one feel that at least we did not do nothing. But the desire to do something is more intense. The desire not to just be a spectator to history. The desire to have contributed something, somehow. As one watches the heroic struggle of the lawyers, and now the students, to stand up and speak out – despite the brutality they are met with – makes this desire even more intense.

We each do what we can. We speak out to the media (I have had more than a dozen media interviews and comments already, we give talks (I have been giving multiple talks on this a day), we send out messages of support to those on the front lines in Pakistan to let them know that they are not alone, we sign petitions, and above all we hold hands in solidarity and vent our feelings where ever we can – on blogs, on phone calls to friends, in gatherings. All of this helps some, but one keeps wondering if it really makes a difference to the big picture?

Even if it is not, it is clearly worth doing. But can more be done? What? How? We would like to hear from our readers on that. Please let us know what is already happening as well as suggest what more could happen.

COAS President house Pakistan Are there to many petitions going around; so many that they might lose their efficacy? Are some of us crossing the line between that which is anti-Musharraf and that which is anti-Pakistan? Even if they mean the same thing, strategically would a message that is pro-constitution, pro-democracy, pro-Pakistani resistance be better than one that is anti-individual? How can one best support those lawyers and students and others who are on the front-line of action, especially those who are not physically there? What, if any, are the dangers of focusing our attention too much of external actors rather than those in Pakistan itself? How does one explain to the media and policy-makers abroad that the events we are seeing is not the failure of a nation (the Pakistani people) these are the failure of a person and a particular government? (I personally have been saying to friends and to the media that I remain bullish on Pakistan and bearish on Musharraf).

These and many others are the questions that boil in ones head. There must be other questions too. Share these with us, but more importantly point us towards answers. Share with our readers what you are doing. How others can help. What should be done.

Note to commentors: My own views on the subject have been pretty clear and I feel no compulsion to either defend them or amend them. While I consider thsi emergency an anti-Pakistan and anti-Pakistani act, I do not doubt the patriotism or integrity of those who disagree. Pakistaniat is based on the premise that there can be, have to be, multiple views and they all must be respected, even when we disagree with them. Those of us who resent the emergency because it has tried to silence certain voices cannot then silence or disempower those who disagree with our views.

I say all this because over the last few days we have had to moderate out too many comments. More, in fact, from people we might agree with than those who we do not. One realizes that the moment is tense and passions are flared, but we stand committed to implementing our comment policy as best as we can. We have moderated, and will continue to do so, not because of content but because of infringements of our comment policy. We are, and will remain, especially careful about inappropriate language, personal attacks, inflammatory and disrespectful tactics, uncivil and slanderous language, and irrelevant diatribes. Please help us in not moderating your comment out by resisting these things. (And, please stop sending us notes about why you can misbehave because someone else did; we try to catch these things as best as we can and even if we miss them sometimes that does not give others a liscence to misbehavior). We remain committed to having a civil discourse and no matter whether we agree with you or not, no matter if you are an old friend or anew acquaintance, we will do our best to maintain that civility. If and when we feel that we are unable to do so, we are more likely to just close down the blog then to give in to people’s tantrums and badtameezi.

216 Comments on “Emergency in Pakistan: What Can You Do?”

  1. Imran says:
    November 7th, 2007 11:23 am

    Protest, Protest, Protest…..

  2. November 7th, 2007 11:27 am

    This is what we can do
    As you all Know Pakistan is once again in a crisis.
    The crisis in October 2005 was natural and we couldn’t do anything about it. The current crisis is self made . It is an assault at the very root of a civil society. The judiciary and Rule of Law is at the core of formation of any group of peoplethat want to co exist . If this is allowed to prevail than peaceful coexistence is impossible. We cannot demand clothes for someone who is dead, we can not educate a nation that does not exist. All our work presumes a state and a society.
    I have drafted a position statement in the form a of petition My plan is to reach out to the legal fraternity Here in USA and apprise them of the situation and ask Local
    Bar associations to support the position of the Pakistan bar association. I have been able to ask our local bar in western new york ot help , I have seen American bar association statement and UK too . If you agree sign the petition below and
    Please forward this to all that you know and ask them to sign this petition.

    http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/legalcourts/

    Disclaimer
    This is my personal effort and position and is not reflective of any groups position that I am affiliated with.

  3. November 7th, 2007 11:30 am

    This what you can do
    sign this petition and ask others to sign it

    http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/legalcourts/

  4. MQ says:
    November 7th, 2007 11:42 am

    As I have said elsewhere, those of us who are in the US should organize protests on campuses, and in front of Pakistan embassy and consulates and the UN. Also, write to your congressman, senator or whoever you know. Nasim Zehra in her column in The News today has listed 7 demands. I think these demands should be echoed in all protests and petitions.

    P.S: You are fortunate that you are not living in Burma, Zimbabwe — or Pakistan — but in a free and civilized country where you can freely protest and won’t be beaten or brutalized by the police.

  5. Sohail Agha says:
    November 7th, 2007 11:57 am

    Found this on pkpolitics.com

    Omer Ali writes….

    SEND FLOWERS FOR JUSTICE.

    ”….Individuals as well as organizations should arrange to have flowers delivered as soon as possible to the houses of individual heroes in this struggle. This proposal was initially sparked by the sight of anonymous well wishers trying to deliver flowers to Justice Khwaja Sharif in Lahore. One proposal was to set a date (Friday after juma prayers was suggested) at which time these deliveries would be scheduled, but I think we should leave it up to everyone to pick the time of their choosing. The intention is to flood the streets on which these people live with thousands of flowers. IF the police intercept the flowers, every effort should be made to publicly display their resistance and to leave flowers at the nearest convenient symbolic point…..”

  6. Sohail Agha says:
    November 7th, 2007 12:11 pm
  7. Khurram says:
    November 7th, 2007 12:34 pm

    This is what we can do (thinking a little bit longer term):

    When the next government comes to power, hold it (and ourselves) accountable. Demand judicial freedom, demand adherance to the constitution, demand freedom of the press, demand the right to live in peace and security.

    If we think now about how to do this long term, we will never end up in this situation again.

  8. Dimple says:
    November 7th, 2007 12:36 pm

    Big drama,now Benazir comes out with ‘protestors’ jsut to get sympathy vote,knowing very well that the General will ‘sucummb’ to pressure and organise elections with Benazir getting the popular vote;Victory- USA

  9. Sohail Agha says:
    November 7th, 2007 12:47 pm
  10. Imran H Khan says:
    November 7th, 2007 12:50 pm

    First of all I would urge people to relax and take a deep breadth. Thank God for all the good things you have going for you. Secondly I would urge you to act responsibly. We need to evolve our society where we can disagree and protest in a civilized manner. So coming to the problem at hand, we have our tiger who has been nurtured to attack our enemies now in a confused and bewildered state doing things it has no business doing, all the while thinking that it is doing those things in order to protect us. So the first order is to try to understand why the tiger is thinking that way and then try to figure out a way to think otherwise or in the end take the fangs away when it comes to internal security.
    The tiger thinks that after risking his life the SC lets the terrorists of Lal Masjid go free, SC encourages political leader with criminal records to run for power while being selective in its adjudications, political parties are undemocratic when it comes to internal leader selection, the people are swayed through money and coercions into electing corrupt leaders which results in economic collapse and effect his ability to do his job. Whether it is correct or not, these are the perceptions not only of the tiger but also many other responsible Pakistanis. So historically we have always relied on the teeth of the tiger ( Majors and Colonels of Pakistan Army) to do the right things ( as much as their
    brains can muster). This situation will not get fixed till we can assure the tiger that it can go back to doing its job because we the civil society will act responsibly and be civil.
    a. We learn to protest in large numbers without resorting to violence, taking law to our hands or blowing ourselves up.
    b. The legal branch learns to be even handed and yet active in the enforcement of justice. Swat is a classic case where people have grown disenhanted because the justice was absent.
    c. Political parties bring forth leaders that are not completely corrupt.
    I am confident that in the end the teeth of the tiger will do the right thing whether people do it or not.

  11. Abid says:
    November 7th, 2007 1:03 pm

    To

  12. Ahmad R. Shahid says:
    November 7th, 2007 1:43 pm

    I think there is no one particular solution to the problem. But as Adil says we must promote plurality. Also nations reach consensus on sensitive issues in a long time and I think one aim of all this discussion is to create such consensuses. And I think barring a few, the common voice is against the emergency, which in itself is a great achievement, as was achieved in the case of the removal of the CJP Iftikhar Chaudhary. And since this consensus has been achieved it can rightly be said that change will come, sooner or later.

  13. Tahir says:
    November 7th, 2007 1:51 pm

    A suggestion for those of you organizing protests in LUMS and other university campuses. Since your protests are being covered by US media, you might want to carry a placard with a picture of Thomas Jefferson or quotes from him. Musharraf and his minions are trying hard to convince US media that this martial law is targeted at anti-US segments of Pakistani society. Carrying such a placard/picture would shatter this false argument.

  14. Umar Shah says:
    November 7th, 2007 1:55 pm

    It’s really sickening to see opportunists and self serving people like Benazir Bhutto, Asif Zardari and their cronies highjack the legitimate struggle of the lawyers and judiciary. Their smiling photos are splashed all over western media, which is portraying this as a struggle between Musharraf and PPP and the ‘wronged’ woman former Prime Minister who now seeks justice and freedom for the people of Pakistan. For some reason all of this seems orchestrated by the interfering powers to present Benazir as a popular peoples leader and a saviour of Pakistan. If this plan becomes successful all roads will lead towards an inevitable disaster for our country. Danda jidhar chalana hai udher chalta nahi Musharraf say. The wrath of his government is again falling on the unarmed protestors as militants continue to capture territory in our Northern Areas, wild west style. May Allah help Pakistan.

  15. ali raza says:
    November 7th, 2007 2:04 pm

    Adil, you have summed up beautifully my mood in, being bullish on Pakistan and bearish on musharraf.

    It is an emotional time for many. Those of us in the west who are now constantly peppered with questions from well meaning people at the water coolers or in public should keep that sentiment in mind. Pakistan will survive this. We will survive Musharraf, we will survive the terrorists, we will survive the manipulative opportunists. So please stay positive about Pakistan. None of us commenting here made this mess, we shouldn’t be throwing mus on each other either. If anything this website provides us a forum to study all views and formulate ours. Crisis like the current should allow us to test our views.

  16. ali raza says:
    November 7th, 2007 2:09 pm

    I will second the call for protest. But not everyone is capable of braving a beatdown on the streets. What we can all do is treat it as an occasion for mourning. The whole country could wear black. For one day or for as long as the martial law is not lifted and normalcy restored. All homes and private buildings could raise black flags to join the protest. The vocal protest has to be supported by a larger silent protest. The moral highground should not be lost by the protestors.

  17. faraz says:
    November 7th, 2007 2:15 pm

    Wearing black is good idea. I am all in favour of peaceful protest.

    One thing, after we have election we need to overhaul 1973 constitution. This time I will say SC was right, but last time same SC was trying to overthrow an elected PM (Nawaz Sahrif) by voiding a amendment in 58b(sajjad shah), which was done by parliment. We also need to create some body (like senate panel with both goverment and opposition parties members with some retired judges)which can artbritatae a fight between executive branch and courts within constitution limits and to avoid colapse of whole system.

    I will say parliment should be supreme over army as well as over SC.

  18. November 7th, 2007 2:17 pm

    I suggest to adopt ways to protest peacefully and I have explained few ways on my blog http://www.mypakistan.com
    Is there anyway we join together and tell each and every Pakistani that it is not right that he can not do any thing to make a change in Pakistan. He can make a difference by contributing in protests against the emergency in lot of ways.

  19. Bilal Ijaz says:
    November 7th, 2007 2:20 pm

    As Imran said in the first comment: Protest, protest, protest!

    Hopefully there will be a protest in Toronto, too, which I will be joining. Also, for folks from Canada or even otherwise, read the articles of Saeed Shah on the globeandmail.com. Despite being a Canadian paper, Saeed is writing very insightful articles and getting to the heart of the real issues. G&M was the first paper to publish the story on the real reason for the martial law being the removal of the honorable judiciary and the gagging of media than any of the fantastical explanations that the dictator came up with. He is also giving the coverage that the REAL and ONLY Chief Justice of Pakistan, the honorable Justice Ifitkhar Chauhdry, deserves.

    In the end, my Salam to the great judges, lawyers and students of Pakistan who are protesting the draconian actions of this self-delusional and fascist dictator.

  20. -Farid says:
    November 7th, 2007 2:22 pm

    Sitting here in Pakistan, I can tell that Adil has captured the feeling very well. There is a lot of anger and resentment but little sense of direction in terms of what to actually do about it.

    I tune in to GEO, ARY, and Aaj via web-streaming every day, browse the web for news about developments and try to at least post some details of what I find on facebook etc. – just to help spread the word to those who cannot get at this information. I also try to get involved in discussions and conversations where I feel I can help shape opinion. Not much I admit, but its better than nothing I guess.

    But more importantly, I think there is a need to stay positive.

    If I may comment on an Umar’s comment above – I know you mean well sir, but really I wish people would not use words like “inevitable disaster for our country”. There is nothing inevitable about it at all !

    I like the way Adil put it, lets be Bullish on Pakistan and Bearish on the powers that be! I have grown up in this country and I intend to live here – it’s my right and no one can take that away. My kids will inshAllah grow up here and call it their land. Politicians and generals will come and go – Pakistan will stay !

    Looking at the video and picture in this post, I am already hopeful. I was at LUMS in 96-98 and I can tell you that politics was hardly ever a topic of conversation for us then. If the present crises has ignited a younger generation’s political maturity, I can already see the future as much brighter !

  21. MQ says:
    November 7th, 2007 2:23 pm

    Tahir, very good point.

    Umar Shah: This is no time for bashing Benazir. You will have plenty time to do that later once the Martial is lifted. Right now you should focus on getting rid of the Martial Law, unless you are representing the Q league.

    Ali Raza: Good suggestion. Keep thinking and suggesting.

  22. Nasar says:
    November 7th, 2007 2:34 pm

    I believe the resonating echo of “what can we do” has been misinterpreted as a question when it is simply a statement of fact. However, if it is absolutely necessary to do something than why not do one’s designated job.
    Students, please attend school and study hard. Lawyers, please attend court to fulfill your professional obligations and try to help the common man who is more cocerned with his/her case than the macro level political game. Media personnel, please do not turn your logos black in mourning and play heartbreaking background music in your news reports as it is irresponsible journalism to influence the public with your opinion… leave the drama to the actors that come on after the news. And everyone else, please just stay calm and fulfill your role in being a construction member of society.
    Freedom of press, independent judiciary, civil liberties, all these are concepts that we were unaware of or chose to turn a blind eye towards before our much loathed military dictator took over. Why now are these such hot topics of debate? Maybe because we have enjoyed enough freedom in the reign of this dictator to realize how precious these concepts are. Some strange twist of logic however refrains us from seeing past the uniform to all the progress we have made under the rule of a military man.
    I realize my views are in the minority here but lets just stop with the drama. Emergency was a decision made at the highest level of government and has little to no consequence on the common man. Life goes on as normal. The only thing disturbing the normalcy is people refusing to do their jobs and causing riots on the streets.
    Judging from past performance, I for one have more faith in a military man delivering democracy than I do in lifelong chairpersons of various political parties who would like to see themselves become life long PMs and Presidents of our country. I respectfully decline to do anything except to fulfill my professional and personal obligations which directly or indirectly serves the best interests of my country.

  23. Ahmad R. Shahid says:
    November 7th, 2007 2:41 pm

    I think wearing the black bands and putting black flags on rooftops is an excellent idea. Its better than going out on the streets and facing the might of the police and injuring yourself for no good. Though some, who can brave it, should try that too. But for the faint-hearted, as me, the idea of black bands and flags is an excellent one.

  24. Viqar Minai says:
    November 7th, 2007 2:52 pm

    Adil,
    In my opinion, sending a signed petition from the participants of the “Pakistaniat” forum to the Embassy of Pakistan is the least we can do. It can also be publicized in the US media and other electronic fora, if possible.

    I had also noticed Bilal’s post in a different thread yesterday related to all sorts of e-mails which the administrators of this blog have been receiving. In his post, Bilal included a long list of questions. This is where I become unstuck.

    It is clear to me that if each of us comes up with a long list of suggestions to these questions, there would be no consensus. In order to have a realistic chance of agreement, you need to restrict it to a minimum. Here is my suggestions, for what it may be worth:

    1. We should express our complete solidarity with the lawyers, media people, and the civil society (I realize that even this may be contentious with some in this forum).

    2) We should demand:
    - immediate lifting of the state of emergency and restoration of the Constitution
    - restoration of all the sidelined honorable justices of the SC and PHCs of Pakistan,
    - immediate release all arrested lawyers, journalists, as well as all political prisoners,
    - unfettered freedom of the judiciary and the electronic media.

    The petition need not delve into whether Musharraf should stays or go, or who is best qualified to be the next leader in Pakistan. Once the freedom of the Courts is restored, people can take care of the first issue through the SC, while the second can be dealt with in a free and fair election by the people of Pakistan to whom the choice rightfully belongs.

    Let us not complicate it beyond what is absolutely essential.

  25. Viqar Minai says:
    November 7th, 2007 3:11 pm

    Adil,
    I think we (the participants of Pakistaniat) should also send signed notes of moral support to such organizations in Pakistan as the human rights commission, the supreme court and high court bar associations, the approriate national union of jounalists, etc. No political parties please, unless people want to do so in their individual capacity.

  26. ayesha sajid says:
    November 7th, 2007 3:16 pm

    The only comment on this entire post i find my self agreeing with is the one written by Nasar.
    The emergency is not effecting me personelly and neither is it the common man. We dont want lawyers on the streets , we want them in courts , neither do we want students wasting precious time on roads burning tyres, we want them in school because we are paying through our noses to keep them there.

    I dont want to take part in any protest nor do i want to waste time over …
    judges who are on the take ( every single one of them), the same judges that are made out to be saints now.

    Lawyers who do sell themselves to the highest bidders ( meaning the poor cannot get justice even if they are innocent).

    Politicians who are corrupt to the core.

    Generals who seem to see Pakistan as a conquered land ( with the maal e ghaneemat)

    Parliament that is more concerned about the perks it gets then what happens in thier constituency.

    Opposition that just needs a good fight and an oppertunity to get thier fifteen minutes of fame.

    Media that went bizerk with too much freedom ( i dont want my child to see a dead man lying in a car with a bullet through his head and blood oozing out from his body)

    Anchorpeople who think the gift of gab gives them the gift of political analysis.

    The list goes on …..
    but i am too de sensitized to go on and mind you i am not alone. We are the silent majority Nasar, not the minority !

    So I for one will go on doing what I feel i need to do which directly or in directly serves the best interest of my country and joining protests , burning shops and effigies and buses, breaking public property, speaking out against my country or its rulers ( wether they are good or bad , its my business and not of some one sitting thousands of miles away not even knowing where Pakistan can be found on the world map) … in front of the world is not on my list of to do things .

    Peace.

  27. Ahmad R. Shahid says:
    November 7th, 2007 3:20 pm

    ayesha sajid:

    Thats what I call the defeatist mentality. No offence please!

  28. Imran says:
    November 7th, 2007 3:21 pm

    Pakistan’s two worlds

    Pervez Musharraf’s crackdown on lawyers has oddly left little trace on Lahore, where residents continue to travel, shop and party.

    http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/saskia_sassen/2007/11/pakistans_two_worlds.html

  29. ayesha sajid says:
    November 7th, 2007 3:56 pm

    Ahmad sahab no offence taken ,

    the only point i am trying to make is that I dont see the streets rising because of emergency being imposed.

    A very small percentage is up and about protesting it and that does not reflect the large majority that is silent (rightly or wrongly) but by choice.

  30. Viqar Minai says:
    November 7th, 2007 4:09 pm

    Ayesha,
    If your’s is the majority view, then it indeed deserves to be respected. Should, however, the wishes of of this majority not come through, would it make you reflect on the reasons why?

    Pity the nation, O Ayehsha, whose majority prefers to remain “silent”.

  31. ayesha sajid says:
    November 7th, 2007 4:22 pm

    Viqar,
    well said !

    Pity that I am part of a nation that is too apathetical to change its destiny and deserves every bit of what comes its way.

  32. Inam says:
    November 7th, 2007 4:26 pm

    I strongly condemn the emergency rule in Pakistan. In fact, it’s unbearable here in Karachi, where everyone is deprived of their basic rights, and none of us Karachiites seems to be worried about it. But, this won’t last long, i hope.

    I salute those judges who refused to take oath under PCO. Salam to all lawyers and media, however Lanat to all politicians.

    I met Justice Wajihuddin the other day, and he asked me to speard the word of ‘unite on a minimum agenda against military junta, but peacefully, cuz we should not give them another chance to rule over us. Stand united, stay there longer, and protest. Your presence (stand silent, often) on strreets will be more effective as silence often haunts the corridors of power, but “Khudara gharoon se bahar niklo, Doston plzzz…”

    Ab Sadiyoon k Iqraar-e-Ata-at ko badl dein
    lazim hai k Inkaar ka paighaam koi utrey

  33. sidhas says:
    November 7th, 2007 4:29 pm

    Since, I live in Virginia, I along with family plan to visit Pakistan Embassy with our placards and bandanas. Just to show solidarity with people of Pakistan.

    Constitution is a social contract. We must start respecting our commitments and I am glad that people in Pakistan are standing up. Tomorrow is promising.

  34. Adam Insaan says:
    November 7th, 2007 4:54 pm

    I have been living in Scandinavia for some years now,
    -a friend of mine , he is a non-muslim,
    visited Pakistan .
    He addressed me when he was back in Scandinavia, and I could see on his face a grave pale teint, he said ;
    “I went to Pakistan I did find Islam but few muslims,
    I am back here in Scandinavia , here is no Islam but muslims in plenty.”
    -I was quite embarrased and felt humiliated by his this statement, but by the second and third thought I could see that he might have some kind of a point.

  35. November 7th, 2007 5:10 pm

    I support the following and most simple of acts:

    A silent protest by millions of Pakistanis who say nothing as they walk to their main bazaars or chowks. The silence represents the gagging of the press and the judiciary

    Thus in our silence we can become the true voice of Pakistan. I urge all my fellow Pakistanis to heed such advice, just imagine for a minute what effect it would have if millions did walk in silence in Karachi, Swat, Dera Bugti, Lahore, Sialkot and the like. We can build a better and more just Pakistan, an ‘other’ Pakistan that we can be proud of. however the seeds must be sown NOW. Please heed my call at http://www.otherpakistan.org/archive.html

    Feimanallah Pakistan

    Wasim

  36. Amra says:
    November 7th, 2007 5:23 pm

    I don’t live in Pakistan and feel quite dismayed about recent events. However from the few visits by me and accounts from family and friends back home over the last few years, I felt that things were getting better in Pakistan under Musharaff. Certainly a lot better than under NS or BB who in turn looted the country and betrayed the trust of the common man in Pakistan. He ( Mush) managed to turn the economy around and things were improving. I know that people are stuck on the word ‘Democracy’. But how much of a democracy can we expect in Pakistan, where corrupt politicians buy votes and the illiterate majority are not really able to make informed choices. Don’t forget that the people wrting in these blogs are not the majority in Pakistan.I don’t suggest for a moment that the current suspension of the constitution is correct. That must be reversed. However, we should think what or rather who will be the alternative to Mush. I think that the return of PPP or NS will be far worse.

    I find myself agreeing with Nasar and Ayesha. Are we being manipulated by the media ? Wasn’t Pakistan enjoying more press freedom than they have had for years? Wasn’t there more accountability ? We have to look at how the events turned and who is likely to gain from all this. Maybe I’m totally naiive or unaware of what’s going on. But my impression was that Mush was a good thing for Pakistan despite the fact that he was an Army Chief.

  37. Shahran Asim says:
    November 7th, 2007 5:28 pm

    Last Sunday, we did complete two hour show on the emergency situation on Asian Broadcasting Network and a number of people called in to provide their thoughts and then we had Ayesha Siddiqa and Mujib Shaami from Pakistan as well.

    Aqil and Ifaqeer also contributed to this enlightened discussion which really should clarify things for a number of people who have only access to radio.

    You can listen to it at: http://www.abnchicago.org/archives.htm

  38. maniza says:
    November 7th, 2007 5:29 pm

    Protest, protest, protest. Come to the protest in Washington DC at 3 pm at Lafayette Park in front of the White House on November 9, Friday.

  39. November 7th, 2007 5:43 pm

    Sorry I forget to say speak to public figures wherever you are. I spoke to the legend George Galloway today and he will take up the issue with passion.

    I urge you all to do likewise, those of you in the US why not flood the websites of Obama, Clinton, Biden, Guilani and so on and ask them to push the issue even more, it cant do any harm!

    Feimanallah

    Wasim

  40. Yousaf says:
    November 7th, 2007 6:00 pm

    You can also write OpEds and Letters to the editor of various newspapers; even if they are not accepted, they are read and will, through osmosis if nothing else, have an effect on the editorial board as well as public opinion. e.g. a recent letter of mine was just published in CS Monitor today (2nd one down):

    http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/1107/p08s02-cole.html

  41. Sohail Agha says:
    November 7th, 2007 6:24 pm

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/drama/thestatewithin/about/

    A must see to understand what may be going on.

  42. Zeb says:
    November 7th, 2007 6:30 pm

    The thing is our politicians are not trustworthy. They were given more then 10 year but they brought the country to the bankruptcy. Musharraf must be given more time. One must remember that every nation has some bad times. And this is bad time for Pakistan. If Musharraf isn’t there it will be very hard to manage Pakistan at this time.

  43. November 7th, 2007 6:31 pm

    Asia Society is pleased to announce a special Emergency Town Hall Meeting on the Crisis in Pakistan

  44. ali raza says:
    November 7th, 2007 6:46 pm

    I agree with Nasar and Ayesha Sajid on most of their observations about the actors in the current crisis. Still, I feel Musharraf has let us down. He should have handled this situation better without having to resort to this martial law.

    The current crisis may in the end turn out to be generated by forces that want to force Benazir upon the Pakistani people without any of us realizing what happened. If things keep on the current path, she will have a land slide victory in the polls.

    Regardless of all that, the government has wronged and it needs to be pressurized towards restoration of normalcy. I talked to my family in Lahore and Islamabad. They haven’t seen any signs of protest anywhere. At work and amongst friends they see no signs of any discomfort with the government. So, for the moment it seems the protests are limited to lawyers (stamp paper pimps), and the cable media.

    It is a confusing situation if there was any

  45. Feisal Khan says:
    November 7th, 2007 7:02 pm

    Come on people, let’s be realistic here. What earthly difference does Musharraf declaring a state of emergency actually make? So what if democracy is derailed? Did any one actually think if Benazir Bhutto were to become Prime Minister anything would change? Have we forgotten her last two stints as PM? And the less said about Nawaz Sharif, the better.

    I agree completely that Musharraf has been a massive disappointment but having him as President is certainly no worse than having Benazir or Nawaz as PM. Now, if someone was to suggest that Gen. Kiyani ask Musharraf to step down, kick out BB and NS permanently (or better yet jail them for corruption) and install a ‘caretaker’ govt a la Moeen Qureishi for 2-3 years, that would get my support.

  46. November 7th, 2007 7:07 pm

    Please also have a read of my latest post titled’ Musharraf the movie’ available now at http://www.otherpakistan.org/archive.html

    Feimanallah

    Wasim

  47. Simple Jatt says:
    November 7th, 2007 7:39 pm

    I fully agree with Ayesha Sajid…The only innocents in Pakistan are the ones who have no involvment in politics.Sadly they just like me ,have become complete cynics.I am amazed at the amount of Pakistanis who support these Political parties with incredible zeal.They are all guilty of incessant greed and complete disregard for the common man.A den of thieves!
    When Benazir wants the average man to protest ,where is Asif Zardari, Where are the Sharif Family ,surely on or two can muster the courage to go out and protest as they want the rest of us to do.WHAT WE CAN DO TODAY AS PAKISTANI’S TODAY IS CHANGE OUR THINKING and stop believing in these demagogues.Stop believing in cults of personality.

  48. lost karachiite says:
    November 7th, 2007 7:41 pm

    I am in Karachi and there is very little happening. There was only one protest at the Press Club and that ended before it even started.

    Please, tell me who is organizing action in Karachi? The students of LAhore and Islamabad put us Karachiites to shame

  49. Bilal Ijaz says:
    November 7th, 2007 7:46 pm

    “The thing is our politicians are not trustworthy. They were given more then 10 year but they brought the country to the bankruptcy.”

    Are you for real? The current generation of politicians were given TEN years out of SIXTY and that is somehow enough to conclude that they will NEVER be able to lead us effectively? Well what about the army. HALF of our SIXTY years have been under direct army rule. Many more years have been spent under indirect army rule. What has the army given the country in those 30+ years (a very conservative estimate) that you begrudge the politicians their 10 years?

    Sure they gave us Bangladesh and the massive human rights abuses conducted by our valiant army in Bangladesh that would make any sane Pakistani hang his head in shame, in 1971 a surrender so shameful that no parallel exists in human history, the murder of Bhutto, the Kargil fiasco, the Dr. Shazia rape and subsequent acquittal of that rapist Captain Hammad without so much as an inquiry, looting of the nation’s resources, being the largest landowners in Pakistan, having a serving or retired army officer in every single government office leeching and mooching off the resources of the state, etc. How many generals are millionaires and billionaires? How do the incompetent progeny of these incompetent generals end up in expensive universities in North America when they can barely read and count? How do they pay the fees? For the latest presidential “election”, why were the rules asking candidates to declare their assets removed? What is Musharraf afraid of and why did he not declare his assets? The list can go on and on. So, with what face can this General and others of his kind accuse the politicians of corruption when the army is just as corrupt as anybody else though it demands that it be above criticism because it is some sort of a holy cow.

    The job of the army is to defend borders, not run WAPDA and PTV. They can’t even do their day job properly and yet they itch for the chance to boss around us “bloody civilians”.

    BB and NS combined had a ten year run. Musharraf on his own has had eight years already. What has he accomplished apart from suicide bombings in Islamabad of all places and fighting a civil war in the North? Despite all their numerous faults, at least there were no suicide bombings in Islamabad in the much reviled democratic eras. Suicide bombings is a new phenomenon that only the fascist dictator can be very proud of introducing to the urban centers of Pakistan. He deserves full credit for it.

    And all those posters who say that we have no other option but Musharraf and mourn the lack of political leadership, I have a question: Where do you expect the political leadership to come from when a jiyala jarnail is going to stage a coup, pronounce himself the king of Pakistan and suspend and paralyze the political process every ten years on a regular basis? Political leaders are only made when there is a free and fair political process that our beloved army does not constantly interfere in.

    If democracy can work in India, it can in Pakistan too. It just needs to be given a proper run. If the army needs to have its legs cut off and rendered impotent, then so be it. That is what we must do. We have this humongous army which is a burden on the state’s already scant resources to supposedly protect us from outsiders. But protect us from outsiders for what? What will the outsiders so that this army hasn’t already done? 1) Outsiders will kill Pakistanis; the army is already doing that in the North and is much better at it than any outsider would. 2) Outsiders will loot the nation’s resources; the army is already doing that and is much better than many at stealing from the nation. 3) Outsiders will violate the human rights of Pakistanis; the army did plenty of that too whenever they’ve gotten the chance. 4) Outsiders will split the country; the army has played a significant role in doing that once already and seems all set to reprise its glorious role in the North only 35 years later. So what is the difference between an outsider and the army? Why not sign an all-encompassing peace treaty with our neighbours and disband this ragtag army of uniformed politicians, usurpers, thieves, murderers and rapists. Maybe that will give democracy a realistic, sustained chance in our country?

  50. An Indian Well Wisher says:
    November 7th, 2007 7:54 pm

    This marshal law will galvanizes brave people of Pakistan and bring down the Army Raj. Long live Pakistan and I salute the brave

  51. MQ says:
    November 7th, 2007 8:01 pm

    There is a saying in Urdu, or rather Persian, which says for every Pharaoh there is a Moses (har Fiaun ra Musa). We have a new maxim in Pakistan that says: For every Judge Chaudhry there is always a Dogar or a Khokar.

  52. Reluctant Expatriate says:
    November 7th, 2007 8:05 pm

    Things we can do:

    1. All protests in Pakistan to remain peaceful. Do not destroy cars and shops and attack international organizations’ offices.

    2. Boycott all our relatives and friends who are in the army, police, top civil servants, and newly appointed judiciary. Make them feel outcasts and traitors without any violence.

    3. Boycott all those organizations who are cooperating with the military such as cell phone companies.

    4. Boycott all journalists who are working for the government organization.

    5. Meet industrialists and opinion makers to covince them that this emergency is going to hurt their bottom line.

    6. Those who live abroad should cancel their trips to Pakistan.

    7. Convince all companies to pull their advertisements from PTV.

  53. Commando says:
    November 7th, 2007 8:30 pm

    Notes to Myself:

    1) Declare Emergency, strike fast, eliminate the enemy (Supreme Court) in pre-emptive strike, while containing mass protests and keeping my men loyal.
    2) Replace the judges quickly, manage the politicians, muzzle the media, lawyers locked up, settle all old scores quickly.
    3) Announce Election dates / Restore Constitution
    4) Micro-Manage the elections, Fake them real good, Make sure no one wins but me amd my cronies.
    5) Dismiss the new govt after few years and call for new elections, bring in new cronies.
    5) I am safe for a decade or so and will remain Prez of Pak.

  54. Omer Cheema says:
    November 7th, 2007 8:36 pm

    Adding a few more ideas :

    1. Wear a black band on arm during the work and explain your coleagues its purpose.Hoisting Black flags on top of your house, car.

    2. Write op-eds to NY Times, USA Today, Chicago Tribune, Le Monde.

    3. Sending “anti-emergency rus malai”, “pro-democracy Samosas” and “democratic pakoras” to your neighbours.

    4. Sending “Thank you for batton charge” cards to local police station telling them that you were impressed by their patriotism.

    5. Send anonymous letters to the houses of military officers in local cantonements telling how they have disappointed you.

  55. Ahmad Tariq says:
    November 7th, 2007 9:00 pm

    We at LUMS Protested on 7th November 2007, and as reports claim, over a 1000 students took part in the on-campus rally, where policemen in plainclothes and uniform tried to threaten the students from taking out a peaceful rally early in the morning.

    The policemen also came in the way of mediamen who were to cover this peaceful event. We must keep “peacefully” protesting!

  56. Moeen Bhatti says:
    November 7th, 2007 9:00 pm

    Adil:
    I believe you can do alot. You can gather educated professionals in the US and try to reach the administraion here in the US . I am not being emotional, we blame people who don’t come out on the roads in Pakistan, atleast, this much we can do for the land where we were born and raised. I’ll be with you in it. Pakistan’s Foreign Minister is here and he is smart and shrewed person, he is doing everything to send a message to Bush’s administration that ‘don’t worry, emergency was a necessity to fight terrorism.’ We need to tell people in the US that Musharaf’s agenda is to keep the terrorism and extremism alive in Pakistan because thats his survival. Now, he is against the Civil Society in Pakistan

  57. Saleem Toor says:
    November 7th, 2007 9:15 pm

    Black ribbon on arms – all of us!

  58. Saleem Toor says:
    November 7th, 2007 9:28 pm

    And we should remember; in the long term, this is not any protest against a person or in favor of another; this is for Rule of Law in Pakistan, for a political dialog culture in Pakistan, for strong institutions in Pakistan, for the provision of justice, safety, education, health and the basic needs to all in Pakistan…

    Every efforts starts from a small first step; rain starts with the first drop…we need to be the first ones!

    While the political stalwarts (specially the corrupt ones trying to sneak in back during the current situation) are trying to gain back the lost ground, we all need to be clear and keep improving until rule of law is established (may it take how much time)!

  59. Tariq says:
    November 7th, 2007 10:01 pm

    …and meanwhile the beautiful Kalam has fallen to the Taliban. Now six out of eight tehsils of Swat are flying the Taliban flag, Pakistan’s green and white flag is literally not flying in these tehsils anymore.

    How does Mush intend to kick these fanatics out of the hills of Swat?

  60. November 7th, 2007 10:04 pm

    All citizens of Pakistan need to protest against this dark phase – yet again (and that too in the 21st century) we have been denied our liberties.

    However, we must not lose sight of the painful lessons from our history -

    resistance and the massive agitation against a dictator in 1969 and a civilian ruler in 1977 resulted in army coups which had disastrous consequences for us.

    Ayub was forced to quite but Yahya took over and Bhutto was toppled through another agitation – and this gave Zia ul Haq the opportunity to take us all for a ride..

    It is a tricky situation – where not protesting is not an option but keeping such protests peaceful is most important.

    We need to fight for an immediate restoration of the Constitution and a peaceful transition to civilian rule. All other roads are blood lined…

    And, using the media (including the new media) is an effective way to pressurise the international supporters of this regime to change their hypocritical stance on democracy and human rights!

    And, please this is no time for personality based discussions – some of the comments here – thankfully deleted – were nauseating against the individual political leaders -

    Imagine what the non-Pakistani readers might see here – a bunch of self-indulging, cynical yet comfortable expats playing [virtual] drawing room politics; often that moves beyond the line of civility!

  61. Ahmad Tariq says:
    November 7th, 2007 10:11 pm

    According to sources, the authorities have threatened the LUMS administration to close down the university if such protests continue.

    Can this government not even tolerate freedom to get education now?

  62. Khalid says:
    November 7th, 2007 11:17 pm

    Someone just emailed me this press interview with Adil Najam on the current situation. Good stuff and written in language that Americans will understand. I like where he says ” In Pakistan, at this moment, the general sense is that the real roadblocks to democracy are two: Gen. Musharraf and the United States”.
    http://www.metrobostonnews.com/us/article/2007/11/07/04/2337-72/index.xml

  63. Raja Owais says:
    November 8th, 2007 12:35 am

    Pakistan needs democracy. We don’t need military rulers who dictate us on how to kill our own people nor we need people who implement other contires policies i.e. Benazir Bhutto and Chaudry Pervaiz and other corrupt politicans.

    Our heroes are those people who are sicere with out country. Who are ready to sacrifice their job for Pakistan’s unity and justice.

    Applause to Justice Iftikhar and lawers who stood up to defend the justice in Pakistan. No wonder why terorism is spreading in Northern Pakistan. It is baecause there is no justice.

  64. Misbah says:
    November 8th, 2007 12:44 am

    What a hypocrite nation we are especially these bloody lawyers. Why protest against the emergency when we don’t rise up and protest against more important issues where lives are being lost such as killings in Waziristan, Baluchistan, Kashmir, Afghanistan, Palestine, chechnya, Iraq, the suicide bombings in Pakistan and around the world, honour killings. I ain’t going to say no more cause the emergency is least of my concerns.

  65. Moeen Bhatti says:
    November 8th, 2007 12:48 am

    Misbah:
    You are right, Lawyers should come on the roads, get lathi charges, tear gas and go to jails for all the injustices in the world, they are big hypocrites. You and I should just sit in our drawing rooms and send our comments to pakistaniat.com

  66. Misbah says:
    November 8th, 2007 12:55 am

    And please don’t make Pakistani lawyers and judges into heroes. Ask those who have suffered at the hands of these people and are still suffering.

  67. Moeen Bhatti says:
    November 8th, 2007 1:02 am

    I agree, they are not heros. Infact, lets forget about emergency, lets go and help the people of pakistan who are suffering.

  68. Musarrat Ali Khan says:
    November 8th, 2007 1:36 am

    DISMEMBERMENT OF PAKISTAN

    Few days back I read somewhere a remark, which was supposed to be sarcastic, that by declaring State of Emergency in Pakistan, what GENERAL Parvez Musharraf has done is pulled off a coup against PRESIDENT Parvez Musharraf.
    What Parvez Musharraf has done is most probably the result of very in-depth thinking and I believe that he had the following in mind.

  69. Shehzad Ahmed Mir says:
    November 8th, 2007 1:44 am

    ”I agree with your right to disagree and I will fight to protect that right”. We Pakistanis have taken this a step further, ”I do not agree with your right to disagree to what I think is right and I will get violent and break things around me in case you try to oppose me!”. This goes both ways.

    Sitting here in Pakistan and analyzing the reaction one thing is for sure. Majority of the people of Pakistan are in agreement with this measure. Other than the usual hyper lawyers, a few students and the drooling likes of BB and her political servants we have not seen any real and motivated street or people opposition to this step. Mind you, this nation is indeed highly motivated less we forget the Earthquake and the CJ Restoration movements that mobilized the entire nation. This time however its different. People agree to the reasons presented for the emergency (IT IS NOT MARTIAL LAW as the western media is trying to project). Everyone is harping the tune of whatever the western media projects, BB is the saviour of democracy, we are worried about Pakistan nukes, yada, yada, yada……. This emergency is like BAD MEDICINE and sometimes bad medicine is just what the doctor ordered for the health of the patient!

    In short, Musharraf will take off his uniform next week. He will remain the civilian President and elections will be announced in the 2nd or 3rd week of January 2008 (I cannot wait to vote with my entire family). By that time all this emotional hoopla that we are witnessing will be way down the emotional drain!

    However, if that does not happen……….then I will be the first one to protest out in the street for restoration of democracy in Pakistan because I certainly do not want another Zia or BB or Nawaz Sharif just because the Americans think it is right for us.

  70. ahmed says:
    November 8th, 2007 1:56 am

    Pakistan
    OR
    Might Is Right

  71. Go Musharraf Go says:
    November 8th, 2007 3:09 am

    Its good to see that students blongss to upper class (mummy daddy group) are also protesting against this Mush regime. In Lahore students of FAST & LUMS organized the protest within Campus.

    Protest in Islamic University, Islamabad, where hundred of student gathered, same information is with reference to the Quaide-eAzam University Islamabad, where also students boycott the classes & participated in a huge demonstration in campus, Police also reached at both the campuses & successfully performed his duty to arrest some students.

    Similarly, from Punjab University -Islami Jamiat-e-Talba launched a huge protest. In Peshawar news are same. In Karachi students observed ‘Black Day’

    Now, its one sentence, one voice, one target, one aim, one nation AGAINST one general

    GO MUSHARRAF GO

  72. November 8th, 2007 3:47 am

    We wish if it were that simple to ask one person to go as if it were a magic bullet and all the problems would be solved. Yes it is imperative and the students have injected much energy to the protest that was largely led by lawyers…

    But as again, we must fight for civilian rule and f0r a common goal that the army must go to the barracks. By targetting a uniformed individual, we should not allow another adventurer to step in.

    Mishbah: you are absolutely right about the sufferings of people in Swat and Waziristan. Admittedly the lawyers and the deposed judges were focusing on Gen Musharraf as he represents army rule that must go now – there is no solution for Swat or Waziristan without political participation and dialogue led a genuinely elected federal government.

    Therefore do not belittle the lawyers movement – it may be lopsided but they have mobilised the whole nation. Even more than those judges who have become heroes after providing legitmacy to Gen Musharraf’s rule and giving him the right to amend the constitution in 2000. Our collective memory is very short, alas.

  73. Sohail Agha says:
    November 8th, 2007 3:50 am

    http://s25925.gridserver.com/

    watch Live with Talat, Shahid Masood on pkpolitics.com

  74. Abu Taimoor says:
    November 8th, 2007 3:51 am

    I would simply say “Now or Never”. Its not the democracy which has been derailed by the Khaki Chief, as there was never a democracy in Pakistan during last 8 years. This time the Chief of Army staff has actually paralysed the Judiciary of Pakistan>>>>>>> Judiciary, the last hope and resort for a poor Pakistani. The judiciary which was trying to bring justice to a the dumb and deaf masses of Pakistan that has been “Killed”. Now this war is between the Dictator and the 160 million Pakistanis. Oh, my nation please come out of your safe zones and simply forget your Political affiliations, ethnic biases and other differences and struggle for restoration of the constitution and reinstatement of independent Judiciary.
    It will be the people’s power which will strengthen our judiciary to make the “bloody Khakis” of our country accounatable for their misadventures.

    Oh my people, please come out on streets and roads and register your peaceful protest. Please don’t leave Lawyers and intelligenstia of this country alone in this “fight against Khaki Terror”>>>>>>>>Get Liberted>>Now or Never

  75. Qandeel says:
    November 8th, 2007 3:54 am

    Musarrat, haven’t the Taliban evacuated from those Swat tehsils?

    Apparantly a day after the emergency was declared several Taliban militants were released in exchange for the 200 soldiers held captive. But all this militancy-related news seems to be getting buried under the emergency hullabaloo. Where can one get detailed information on this?

  76. November 8th, 2007 3:58 am

    Unfortunately such demos can’t be organized in Karachi universities like KU, NED or SSUET due to APMSO MQM terrorists. IF there was no MQM then such demos would already have been started in Karachi

  77. Sohail Agha says:
    November 8th, 2007 4:24 am

    http://tinyurl.com/37foqe
    interesting take by the author….

    Also read the news in gulf-news.com today
    http://gulf-news.com/news/gulf/gcc/10165923.html

  78. Adam Insaan says:
    November 8th, 2007 5:20 am

    Ya

  79. wbalushi says:
    November 8th, 2007 6:13 am

    question what we do?

    we dont have any obtion every thing is in hand of military.
    but we can came forward, its democracy country we have the right to say STOP MILITARY ACTION IN PAKISTAN.
    why U ALL are fighting in politics, politics is a another name of
    TERRORIST. Becouse of politics the terrorist are born.
    STOP THIS ACTION AS SOON AS POSSIBLE….

    still i think we didnt get independence. question is what we do?
    we will fight to get freedom??????????

  80. November 8th, 2007 6:26 am

    Read this piece:

    “The only way to explain why the US and its allies do not abandon a leader who is less popular with his people than the terrorist whom he is being paid billions to hunt is that the people of Pakistan are considered irrelevant in discussions about Pakistan.”

    http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/ali_eteraz/2007/11/pakistan_prince_of_denmark.html

  81. Ahmad Farooq says:
    November 8th, 2007 11:25 am

    The first few days after the imposition of emergency left me listless and in a state of depression over what had happened and where things would go from here. But then I realized that with every crisis also comes an opportunity of changing things and the same is true for the present crisis as well. It would all depend on what the people of Pakistan make of it.

    The lawyers have already demonstrated their resolve over the past few months, but their numbers are too small to make a difference. The students have also now joined. The ultimate responsibility rests with the polictical parties as only they possess the capability of adding numbers to the streets without which the whole struggle is not likely to succeed. People are sceptical, to say the least, about the intentions of the political leadership and, therefore, to add credibility to the struggle the political leaders themselves need to set the example by coming out and bearing the brunt of what the state security apparatus has to offer.

    I feel this is also an opportunity for us to redeem our international image as a nation. If the people are able to wrest control of the affairs of the country, the world will start taking us seriously.

    Ahmad Farooq

  82. habib says:
    November 8th, 2007 12:05 pm

    I am never going to return to pakistan in my life now.

  83. Rafay Kashmiri says:
    November 8th, 2007 5:17 pm

    Ya Habibi,

    It does’nt make any difference to Pakistanis or
    Pakistan if you or myself don’t ever return.
    We have’nt done any favour to Pakistan since
    60 years, but It exist by the grace of AlMighty,
    even we all try to destroy it through our mischief.

  84. Dr F Rasool says:
    November 8th, 2007 5:31 pm

    Send your thoughts to president Musharaf on this website.
    http://www.presidentofpakistan.gov.pk/WTPresidentMessage.aspx
    If he receives millions of messages he will realize what has he done.He is probably suffering from some psychiatric disorder and does not have an insught into it.

  85. aniqa says:
    November 9th, 2007 1:32 am

    UNITED WE STAND DIVIDED WE FALL!

    I APPRIECIATE ALL THE COMMENTS ABOVE… …….WHEN I WAS GOING THORUGH THE COMMENTS I READ THAT ONE OF OUR FRIEND ASKED A QUESTION THAT ‘WOULD THESE EFFORTS COME TO THE BIG PICTURE OR NOT?’ OUR PROBLEM IS THAT WE WANTED TO DO MUCH FOR OUR COUNTRY AND FOR THAT WE CAN SACRIFICE EVERYTHING BUT WE DONOT HAVE ANY PLANING OR STRATEGY IF A GROUP OF STUDENT COME ON THE ROAD TO PROTEST IT IT WOULD NOT EFFECT THE MUSHARAF… NOW THIS NOT THE TIME TO DO INDIVIUAL EFFORT . IT IS A TIME TO DO SOME THING ON A BIGER SCALE N OF COURSE PEACEFULLY …..WE CAN TAKEOUT RALLIES OF STUDENT OF UNIVERSITIES OF BIGER CITIES AT THE SAME IN THE WHOLE COUNTRY THEN I WOULD THINK WE COULD MAKE A DIFFERENCE…….FOR THAT STUDENTS OF UNIVERSITIES HAV TO WORK HARDER ….THEY NEED TO CONTACT TO THE AUTHORITIES OF UNIVERTIES IN DIFFERENT CITIES ..

    THEN I THIINK WE COULD MAKE A HEAVY IMPACT ON MUSHARAF…
    REGARDS,

    ANIQA

  86. ayesha sajid says:
    November 9th, 2007 2:46 am

    Rafay dont say that ,

    we’d love to have the boyzes back , and if you cant make it we understand by the graces of allah ( at least keep sending those $$).

  87. Rafay Kashmiri says:
    November 9th, 2007 3:23 am

    Ayesha,

    sorry I forgot situation in KSE, fallen 600 points
    but, however, remittences don’t miss their targets,
    National reserves count a lot !

  88. Saad says:
    November 9th, 2007 4:53 am

    I am Alumni of FAST Lahore. We have creaated a website dedicated for centralizing discussions on emergency imposition by Musharraf. There is a Forum where we invite you to voice your opinions. The url is : http://www.musharrafsucks.com

  89. Ameed Sheikh says:
    November 9th, 2007 2:30 pm

    Mush counted so much on liberal student groups across the country. The situation today tells that he himself corrupted that reputation among his only favorite community i.e, students (next to probably armed forces). And now when students and youth have come to streets this will revolutionize the whole picture and finally topple down this rule of dictator establishment. The founder of our nation himself wanted youth to whole heartedly work for the progress of nation and stay united in the best interest of the country. We saw Zia-ul-Haq’s rule of establishing students forces in universities across the nation which was abused by corrupt intentions of local political lords in communities later on. However this time this unity and uproar among youth is totally on its own and it has evloved for the need of nation’s own sovereignty. At the time when Pakistan came into being, youth was one of the pillars of the movement for liberty. Today this is needed again and WE WILL DO IT TOGETHER. Insha Allah.

  90. Jamshed says:
    November 9th, 2007 7:09 pm

    As someone said in an earlier comment…protest..protest…Protest
    That is all fine but lets protest in a civilized manner and not to destroy our own properties and burn buses and so on……..Haven’t we had enough for the last 60 years or so….every few years Pakistan goes downwards instead of coming up…how long we can take this abuse…are we all so blind that we cannot see that these so called leaders are robbing us blind….what the heck is that chair that who ever sits on it , does not want to give it up…….and then the other matter of trying to bring the same thugs and thieves again into power….These people like BB and Sharif, they are not sincere people for Pakistan…they are real enimies of Pakistan…they have robbed and rapped Pakistan for many years…Please…Please..wake up people…lets bring some new blood who can do something good for my Pakistan….

  91. S Rehman says:
    November 9th, 2007 8:11 pm

    I must say that these are very sad days for Pakistan. The person we thought is going to help Pakistan move forward turns out to be a snake with many siblings in the shape of Shukat Aziz and many other cronies. This person has damaged the image of Pakistan all over the world. When I go to Office here in North America, my staff ask me about this snake and his motives. This snake has shed Pakistani nation’s blood worth few million american dollars for which he and his cronies are very proud.

    Pakistan is a great country and my heart bleeds to see what is going on in Pakistan today like many other brothers and sisters of this country.

    With all that in mind, I am sure this country has the ability to bounce back. I hope that this country will have the courage to get rid of this snake soon by the grace of God.

    Long Live Pakistan! Down with this sanke and his cronies.

    Sami

  92. Ron Murray says:
    November 9th, 2007 11:30 pm

    To the People of Pakistan
    Know, that the hearts and minds of the the People of the United States are with you!
    Long Live Freedom!!
    Ron Murray

  93. Sohail S says:
    November 10th, 2007 12:38 am

    What can we do:

    I say, if there is ever a time, then this is it. A time to organize a long march to Washington DC and then conduct a peaceful silent protest in front of the Pakistan embassy or the White house. We should bring our children and families. We should all go there regardless of where we live. From California, NY , Illinois and all other states, we should flock to Washington. This is a great way to tell our own American lawmakers that something must be done about the repressive practices of the current regime in Pakistan and at the same time send a message to the military government that we do not like the state of affairs in Pakistan. I say we organize this march on Friday, Nov 30.

    SS

  94. JMA says:
    November 10th, 2007 9:06 am

    Sohail Sahib…..I totally disagree with your comments about the protest to washington……haven’t the U.S has done enough damage to Pakistan and to the muslim world that we want to ask them to fix our problems…Pakistanis are quite capable people to fix their own problems if they want to fix it………

    In fact if you all want to march to washington and protest then the protest should be to tell them not to interfere in our affairs for their own hidden agendas…..

    The problem is our own people…the so called leaders of Pakistan who have their own hidden agendas and they will never do anything good for Pakistan except to fill their own pockets…….Its time that Pakistanis must wake up and stop all this non-sense themselves and bring in some new blood to do something good for Pakistan for a change….

  95. Adam Insaan says:
    November 10th, 2007 10:32 am

    Imran Khan, on GEO news
    has just promised to be initiator for a fund for
    all those judges etc. whom have been fighting for INSAAF
    and as a consequence been sacked.
    He is going to raise money from within as well as from overseas.

  96. Rafay Kashmiri says:
    November 11th, 2007 4:20 pm

    MQ

    thanks a lot for passing on your illusions !

  97. Sohail Agha says:
    November 11th, 2007 6:34 pm

    Imran Khan’s Latest Message

    http://tinyurl.com/3c2fz7

  98. Astonished says:
    November 11th, 2007 9:19 pm

    What!! He fired the Chief Justice because of his TA/DA and medical expenses. He calls this corruption.

    Corruption is to sell Habib Bank with 1,300 branches worldwide to Aga Khan for $400 million when the true value was much more. For comparison, Standard Chartered bought the Union Bank with 64 branches in Pakistan for $430 million.

    Corruption is to try to sell the Steel Mill for less than the value of its land. Thankfully that was stopped by the Chief Justice.

    The reasons for firing the Chief keep changes. I remember that back in March, one of the reasons given for firing the Chief was that he tried to get his son who is a doctor, a job in the police by using his influence even though his son had failed in English in the recruitment exam. The son appeared on the Kamran Khan show speaking fluent English.

    Gof protect this nation from such crooks and liers.

  99. Mustafa says:
    November 11th, 2007 9:43 pm

    It really surprises me that how eloquently you all write about your feelings for your homeland and how concerned you all are about democracy in Pakistan, while sitting outside Pakistan and without realizing that there are no leaders available to lead the country.

    Can someone make me understand that by becoming democratic who exactly do we want to bring to power? Benazir? Who talks about poor people while wearing thousands $ glasses and with billions in corruption charges? Nawaz Sherif? Who has got Haleem and Nehari into his head.

    I see more sincerity and honesty in Musharraf’s eyes than any of our politicians who are all lotas. Did you see his recent press conference? He is trying his best.

    This blog is highly biased and please stop this negative rhetoric and propaganda against Musharraf. I am not the only Pakistani who support him and loves him. BTW, I am son of a judge myself.

  100. Sara says:
    November 11th, 2007 10:16 pm

    Well, I would say the last posts clearly shows that we are a very diverse nation with such diverse views. That is the beauty of a nation as long as learn to live with it. We all should respect each other views because that is one of basic features of democracy. And looks like Mr. Bilal that you support too if you are against PCO judges. Please, this is one time when we all need to learn to respect each other views and go forward together if want to see a prosperous Pakistan!

  101. Mustafa says:
    November 11th, 2007 10:21 pm

    Dear Bilal Ijaz,

    Who do you want to lead Pakistan? Did you listen to Musharraf’s recent press conference?
    70% of the Pakistani population lives in the rural areas with a literacy of less than 50%, worried about making ends meet. Western standards of democracy don’t apply here. Please understand the gravity of the situation. Extremists are gaining momentum and challenging the writ of Government. Do you know that Ch. Iftikar had totally paralyzed the country in the last few months?

    Do you agree with his decisions of releasing all the Lal masjid extremists and dragging the case against Musharraf?

  102. Deewana Aik says:
    November 11th, 2007 10:34 pm

    “I am son of a judge myself.”

    Which one, PCO or non-PCO?

  103. Bilal Ijaz says:
    November 11th, 2007 10:38 pm

    “Who do you want to lead Pakistan?”

    People’s chosen representative. Not some general who couldn’t cut it in any other aspect of life and barely passed his FA.

    “70% of the Pakistani population lives in the rural areas with a literacy of less than 50%, worried about making ends meet. Western standards of democracy don

  104. Cecile says:
    November 11th, 2007 10:50 pm

    I am not sure if you are familiar with the ATP comment policy but just a friendly reminder:
    “Keep comments on topic; no personal attacks; don’t submit indecent, inflammatory, slanderous, uncivil or irrelevant comments; flamers and trolls are not welcome; inappropriate comments will be removed or edited.”
    The purpose of this page is to debate about the topic, bring for and against arguments, be constructive and not attack each other personally.

  105. Bilal Ijaz says:
    November 11th, 2007 10:58 pm

    <p>These PCO puppets are not judges in my eyes – they are only traitors who should be hanged for collaborating with Musharraf in his act of treason for suspending the sacred constitution of Pakistan. </p>
    <p>If calling a spade a spade and a PCO “judge” a traitor is a personal attack, then so be it. I have no respect for such “judges” and I most certainly will not take any sort of moral dictation from the progeny of such traitors.</p>

  106. Sara says:
    November 11th, 2007 11:12 pm

    Since it looks that Mr. Bilal has announced that there is no moral dictation present at the moment so I would also like to point out something. If you are such a strong supporter of democracy and human rights in Pakistan, why aren’t you out on streets with your fellow lawyers and students who protesting? Or better still with them behind bars? Looks like they can stay behind bars while we can sit in the comfort of our house and make tall claims.
    Its time for us to go forward, listening to each others views and countering in an ethical way. If what Mushrraf and the PCO judges are doing is wrong, your comments are also not ‘fair’.
    Today, it seems to me that there is extremism in Pakistan even in the educated class!

  107. Bilal Ijaz says:
    November 11th, 2007 11:39 pm

    Sara mohtarma, do you believe that the lawyers and human rights activists should be arrested and put behind bars under the draconian laws of this dictatorship? I don’t want lectures on ethics, moral dictations, comment policies, playing nice with traitors, educated class and extremism, etc. A simple yes or no would suffice. Because it seems to me that you’re glad that lawyers and human rights activists are behind bars. If so, why don’t you come out and say so which will speak volumes about where your allegiances lie? Why sit on the fence and lecture about some supposed moral high ground?

  108. Deewana Aik says:
    November 11th, 2007 11:43 pm

    “Today, it seems to me that there is extremism in Pakistan even in the educated class!”

    Sara, don

  109. Ahson Hasan says:
    November 11th, 2007 11:59 pm

    It’s a tricky situation with no easy solutions. Here’s perhaps what we can do:

    - We must make an effort to introduce fresh blood into politics. Benazir is a hoax; Nawaz is a nincompoop of the highest order. The jagirdas, the waderas, the maliks and so on should give way to the educated class of individuals who are for all intents and purposes enlightened enough to understand Pakistan’s needs and interests. How can this be achieved? The answer to this question is hard to find. May be, just may be, someone like Imran Khan may not be a bad idea. The guy is straightforward, honest and well intentioned.

    - Urge Washington to stop trusting Musharraf. The US media is receptive to all kinds of viewpoints and we must all apprise the Bush administration about the hollowness of the Musharraf regime through the free media.

    - Judicial independence is a must. CJ Iftikhar’s restoration is essential.

    - Musharraf should handover power to General Kiyani and exit the scene ASAP. Kiyani must create a body of reliable and trustworthy individuals who see to it that elections are conducted in a fair and free manner. Perhaps Amnesty International can ensure the smooth carrying out of the process of elections.

    To be honest, Pakistan is running out of options with little or no hope of reversal of fortunes.

  110. Sara says:
    November 12th, 2007 12:00 am

    “do you believe that the lawyers and human rights activists should be arrested and put behind bars under the draconian laws of this dictatorship?”

    No, I don’t support any of Musharraf’s policies… but I believe in freedom of speech and tolerance and that is the only way you can tackle this problem. Or I will want to see how we are able to do away with Musharraf and his policies by making personal attacks on each other!

  111. Sayef Hussain says:
    November 12th, 2007 12:12 am

    As ususal we Pakistanis are again back to where we were 5,4,3 decades ago. For us, except that mobiles are in every hand, and newest gadgets are with us, the world is not forwarding.

    In all these glooms and gluts, it is however good to see that, as a nation we have become mature enough to understand the bodily charm, fake cherisma and hollow hurling of rhetoric words. We have, in general, understood what Benazir is up to. Benazir’s opprtunistic politics, and American style ‘free-style’ wrestling between her and musharraf is all too obvious to all, well to almost all, of us. This is a big gain of today, though no doubt inelection farce as declared she will still grab a big chunk of so-called popular vote.

    Sheikh Rashid Ahmed, ever too ready to speak out in favour of his government, and a self-styled sage of Pakistan politics recently sounded prophetic when he said that, Benazir and her dashing party would be a “friendly opposition” this time around, replacing MMA of 2002.

    The question is, will print and electronic, if survived, grill and molest PPP for being friendly, they way they did that to MMA after 2002 election? I know, PPP is too media savvy and articulating to be grilled by mere mortals of Pakistani media.

  112. Shehzad Ahmed Mir says:
    November 12th, 2007 12:23 am

    Show me the proof of MAJORITY of Pakistani’s living in Pakistan who agree with your assessment and I will change my mind of supporting Musharraf.

  113. Jim says:
    November 12th, 2007 12:34 am

    My complements to this blog for maintaining a civil discourse.

    I would add that besides protest within Pakistan and protests directed at foreign embassies, what would be useful is to pin the responsibility for Musharraf’s recklessness and disregard for democracy on the Bush Administration. As an American citizen, you can bet I have let my Senators know where I stand.

    It is also vitally important for this message to get out clearly – that only a full restoration of the judiciary, 4th estate (independent media), and vital civic institutions (human rights commission in Lahore), will allow for a participatory democracy that is in the US best interest long term.

    I am also bullish on Pakistan’s prospects as an economic power.

    “Nuclear armed Pakistan, fighting on ongoing war on terrorism and where bin laden is reputedly holed up”, seems to be the current dominant description in much of the “mainstream” US media, with all sorts of implied notions. How can you counter this? I don’t have a silver bullet, but perhaps, “Pakistan, a place where lawyers and judges have led the way in protesting a military dictatorship” is a good start.

    Good luck to all.

  114. Sayef Hussain says:
    November 12th, 2007 12:46 am

    Autonomy of Pakistani Judiciary
    ======================

    I don’t know if it is correct to say “autonomy of judiciary”, when there is too much talk, demand, and short lived exuberation for “judicial independence”. But anyway, I shall go on calling for “judicial autonomy” unless and until I get politically corrected on it.

    Thanks to Providance that, this time around people are well aware for judicial freedom. People are demanding the restoration of judiciary before the position of 3rd November. People are vocifarously demanding the bringing back of the ‘deposed’ chief justices and judges.

    I think this is not enough. I think, along side demanding the restoration of ‘deposed’ judges, we must start voicing for a really free judiciary, an autonomous judiciary.

    An “autonomous judiciary” should be able decide for itself the issues of raise of pay, revision of pay, promotions, retirements, accountabilities, punishments and placements etc without involvement of the executive/establishments (full of scions of maliks, chaudhris and waderas who always like to keep the judiciary and the law-enforcing forces under their thumbs for their nefarious designs) who use these prerogatives manipulate and armtwist the judiciary in their favour.

    You may remember, sometimes after restoration of CJ Iftikhar Chaudhry, general musharraf announced substential raise in pay in judges salary; for what only he could tell; which probably did not give him any benefit; or probably gave in the form of PCOed (mis)judges.

    So, let’s start demanding an AUTONOMUOS JUDICIARY, in line with our autonomous behemoth.

    Let’s also demand that, the PCOed judges should be proceeded against under Article 6 of the Consitution (when restored) for treason against Constitution.

  115. Sayef Hussain says:
    November 12th, 2007 1:04 am

    One Mr. Mustafa wrote in one of his post:

    “Do you agree with his decisions of releasing all the Lal masjid extremists and dragging the case against Musharraf?”

    It seems that, he is not in tune with all the debates going on judges, particularly re-calibrated allegations of musharraf against the conscientious judges.

    It has been written by all and sundry, including the big columnists and analysts of the country in all big newspapers of the country that, those who gave lousy decision in Lal Masjid cases are all now PCO-ed, are in the Court, and would soon validate serving general musharraf as the President for next term of the country.

    So, the people like Mr. Mustafa, enamoured of musharraf’s ‘camak’ need to open the eyes and see the reality.

    I for one believe that, the PCO-ed (mis)judges need to be tried for treason,and hanged, so that no other future judges carrying the solemn and very heavy responsibility of ensuring rule of law and rule of Constitution in the country should dare to save their ‘naukri’ at the cost of the nation and the future generation of the nation.

  116. Aurangzeb says:
    November 12th, 2007 1:44 am

    Musharraf’s eight years of rule were certainly better than the years of democracy during which civilian politicians just robbed our country.

    Who is responsible for the current crisis and turmoil in Pakistan? Don’t tell me that it is anyone other than our lackluster, incompetent and inconsiderate SCJ Iftikhar Chaudhry who just wanted to handpick everything, including his official Benz.

  117. Ranji says:
    November 12th, 2007 2:31 am

    Gen Musharraf can have a session on the “art of governing” with Sri Sri Ravi Shankar

  118. Adonis says:
    November 12th, 2007 2:37 am

    This time Article six of the constitution must be implemented. No safe passage anymore. Those who have committed treason by abrogating the constitution should be and God willing will be tried and convicted.!!!

  119. Sohail Agha says:
    November 12th, 2007 4:00 am

    Found this link on pkpolitics.com

    ”apparantly judges were blackmailed

  120. Deewana Aik says:
    November 12th, 2007 4:22 am

    “Those who have committed treason by abrogating the constitution should be and God willing will be tried and convicted.!!!”

    Let’s see, nawaz sharif attacked the SCS and never charged anyone for it. Benazir stole 1.6Bn or so which amounts to treason. Altaf has declared Pakistan the biggest blunder. JUI had the belief “ham Pakistan banay kay gunah main shareek nahain thay”. Jamaat Islam declared Pakistan na-Pakistan. Mirza Islam Beg formed IJI and gave them money illegally thus getting involved in politics while in active military service. General the same.

    Did I leave anyone out? Pakistan has been ruled by traitors for most of its life. Who is going to try these traitor? Traitors are not going to try themselves.

  121. Sohail Agha says:
    November 12th, 2007 4:48 am

    The purpose to put that article in times online could have two purposes.The obvious one is to show the criminal extent to which the agencies would go to achieve the favourable rulings.

    The hidden one could be to character assassinate the judges.
    What the agencies fail to understand is that the stand taken by the judges to say the truth despite being blackmailed will make them still more credible and their act of defiance all the more heroic.

  122. crab-man says:
    November 12th, 2007 4:59 am

    This keeps on going…..every government we had disappointed us…its time to think out of the box……so first of all we should get rid of pro US policy, we should adopt a stance like that of Iran…..and disqualify all of the previous political figures like BB, Nawaz, Altaf Hussain and etc from competing in elections in the upcoming elections then only some new potential will come up….

  123. ali raza says:
    November 12th, 2007 5:03 am

    Sayef hussain, would you also be for hanging the judges who took oath under musharraf’s first pco. Ch. Iftikhar took multiple oaths under pco. first in balochistan high court, then as a judge of supreme court, and then as the CJ. should he be hung thrice. How about a fourth hanging for not resigning his post after reinstatement and continuing participation in the system. give me a break

  124. Malik Asif says:
    November 12th, 2007 5:41 am

    I will request Mr. Musharraf that take his Pakistan with him, and leave our Pakistan for us.

  125. Adonis says:
    November 12th, 2007 5:46 am

    @ Deewana Aik

    Perhaps if one would actually read the Article six of the constitution of Pakistan, then maybe one would be able to write with any logic.

    Here is the Article 6:

    “6. High treason.

    (1) Any person who abrogates or attempts or conspires to abrogate, subverts or attempts or conspires to subvert the Constitution by use of force or show of force or by other unconstitutional means shall be guilty of high treason.

    (2) Any person aiding or abetting the acts mentioned in clause (1) shall likewise be guilty of high treason.

    (3) [5] [Majlis-e-Shoora (Parliament)] shall by law provide for the punishment of persons found guilty of high treason.”

    Corruption or other crimes do not fall in the above category. So its no use comparing apples with oranges.

  126. Rafay Kashmiri says:
    November 12th, 2007 6:06 am

    Deewana Aik,

    what about Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto,
    what about the Seculars, Marxists, Liberals
    they are all” janatis ” inside Ishtraki janat !!

  127. JMA says:
    November 12th, 2007 8:19 am

    Well if this is what the constitution says then shouldn’t Bhutto be tried for treason….just a thought

  128. JMA says:
    November 12th, 2007 8:34 am

    crab-man …you have really hit the nail on the head, I couldn’t more……this is what Pakistan needs….get rid of all the thugs and thieves who have looted and rapped Pakistan and bring in some new blood who can do some good for Pakistan for a change…..I am all for that…..

  129. Qandeel says:
    November 12th, 2007 9:29 am

    Mush-apologists. I’ve been seeing more and more of then ever since martial law was imposed. I find that a bit ironic and worrying.

    I don’t care to attack anyone’s political view; if someone feels mushy for Mush that is fine by me. But when I ask most Mush-apologists why they are defending him and his recent coup, the answer almost always boils down to the same: “At least he’s better than the others.”

    I think this is a dangerous attitude, and the reason why things won’t really change no matter how much we protest. Because come crunch time, most of us will be faced with the lesser of several evils and perhaps turn all ‘mush’.

  130. Rafay Kashmiri says:
    November 12th, 2007 9:33 am

    JMA,

    @ Trying Bhutto

    not bad idea, lets start with his daughter !!

  131. Adam Insaan says:
    November 12th, 2007 9:34 am

    Has not the Intelligence service ,
    developed into ” A State within the State” ??? – or how is it..
    - just wondering retrospectively, in mentio all the information we are having access to .

  132. November 12th, 2007 9:48 am

    Protest, Protest and just Protest

  133. November 12th, 2007 10:11 am

    Dear Adil.
    Will you please write about Daily Telegraph’s abisive langauage against general Musharraf and condemn their actions.
    I wrote an article in my blog http://www.mypakistan.com

  134. habib says:
    November 12th, 2007 10:28 am

    We had an excellent debate today in our college. The way we should protest against the Musharraf government. When everything seems to fail – lawyers protest, businesses, political parties and now even student protests, it is time to let “peace” fight evil.
    This is where the philosophy of Mahatma Gandhi comes. I used to make fun of the philosophy of non violence. Last year, after i watched the Indian movie “Lage Raho Munnabhai” i was made aware of power of Gandhi.
    The non-violent movement is a far superior fighting weapon than violent protests. And I was surprised that most of us finally agreed that non-violence should be the way to go ahead.
    Non-violence please. We are followers of Gandhism now. They call it Gandhigiri in that movie.

  135. tasneem says:
    November 12th, 2007 10:36 am

    hey habib. tell us how is gandhi-ism more effective than violence. tel us more about your debate.

  136. Shehzad says:
    November 12th, 2007 10:39 am

    Here is wht we can do….

    The student body should come out, make effort and protest along with the lawyers and other judiciary officials for the freedom of judiciary system, the freedom of media and the freedom of basic human rights of the people of Pakistan ( a country which cannot hold a dictator rule) .
    On the long run, efforts should be made to give the democratic system of the country into “the hands of educated young generation”, rather than those same feudal lords to whom this country has been watching since the time of its birth…. and the power which comes under hold should be made answerable to whatever steps it is taking….

  137. tasneem says:
    November 12th, 2007 10:51 am

    mr. shehzad
    educated people do not even represent 40% of our population. and youth (

  138. Sohail Agha says:
    November 12th, 2007 11:00 am

    Imran Khan

  139. ali mirza says:
    November 12th, 2007 11:03 am

    where are they….while these hawis parast..money maker….greedy run from Pakistan ..as thier is “lack” of facilities…”low pay”….and other dramai baazia !!!!!how much of these thousands of doctors..who run from Pakistan ..and thier deen imman is running..and making dollars and pounds …..how many of them have met Congressmen …how many of them ..have met Republicans to urge US policy makers to condemn ..the Martial Law….how many of them ..protested the MASTERS to whom they lick thier feet for per month dollars …..they consider them the pressure guages ..and where is thier throtle opener..which opened at onvce when Bush invite these 3rd class citizens..to annual breakfast….and they run as slaves run ..to Bush Breakfast….and in such tough times..they are just doing lip service ..and busy making thier money as 3rd class citizens….why not they urging boycott..protest etc..just because MASTERS will be unhappy..as MASTERS support Mushy…in war against islam !!!!the 3rd class citizens..of John Hopkins ..and Harvard…..are busy making thier money…they consider them as polich changers but they like money..not thier country..why Article 6 of Constitution not applied to such greedy and un thankful people.

  140. Sohail Agha says:
    November 12th, 2007 11:04 am

    A slogan comes to my mind:

    1947: I wasn’t there…

    2007: HERE I AM…

  141. ali baig says:
    November 12th, 2007 11:15 am

    Until mar 09/07 of this year the generals performance was not bad he initiated two extraordinary democratic reforms i.e empowering women by reserving a third of the seats in municipal council and 17% in federal and provincial assemblies and allowing the rise of a free, unfettered media.He has also been able to let the national assembly finish its entire 5 year term, a record in Pakistan. but since then he is committing blunders after blunder.The first major blunder was he let all politicians go under the NRO including benazir with whom he had hoped to develop a cozy relationship so that he can survive a little longer the second he dismissed the judiciary to ensure his election is valid and the third was to declare emergency to give him extra power to curtail media and the judiciary both.Protesting against his actions is not going to help much as he has the backing of the UK and USA. The best thing to do is to get on with our lives and make preparation for election i.e if you want to take part in it,whether the emergency is lifted or not the elections will not be transparent as it does not suit the americans to have fair elections. The Americans and the west want Benazir to be the next PM simply because she does not organize rallies chanting death to America and also because she does not have beard.

    Regads

    ALI
    Canada

  142. Rafay Kashmiri says:
    November 12th, 2007 11:42 am

    Habibi,

    always illusions, always looking at others, the
    entire generations are plagued with Complexes,
    or they are pushed to, by whom ?

  143. Saima Nasir says:
    November 12th, 2007 11:57 am

    Faiz said:
    Dekh Kay ahangar ki dukaan main,
    tund hain sholay surkh hai ahan,
    khulney lagay kooflon key dahan
    phaila hur ik zanjeer ka daman.
    Bol, bol key thora waqt bahut hai,
    jismOzaban ki maut se pehlay.
    Bol key such zinda hai aab tuk,
    Bol jo kuch kehna hai keh lay.

    I am a Pakistani….but I want to live and die a PROUD Pakistani. A place where my opinion and I are valued and it will only happen if my conutry has uninterrupted democracy….I am still hopeful…..ARE YOU?

  144. Adam Insaan says:
    November 12th, 2007 12:06 pm

    Saima Nasir@

  145. Ismail says:
    November 12th, 2007 12:08 pm

    Lots of people are doing lots of good work to protest peacefuly but make there voice heard. For example, from an email I got:

    Another way in which people in other countries , specially Pakistani organisations abroad can support the anti emergency movement is to write, phone, fax, e mail and meet Pakistani ambassadors abroad , high government officials in Pakistan, , Heads of Planning Commission, HEC, Chairman of large corporations etc etc

    and ask them

    It is time that all men of conscience who represent any position of authority in Pakistan to stand up against the fascist Emergency rule in Pakistan and be counted.
    This may well be the Pakistan’s last struggle as a country. If many Honourable Judges could refuse to take oath, why can not other men of conscience also resign their jobs in protest. This is the least you can do to show solidarity with the suffering people of Pakistan and to raise your voice against those who have turned Pakistan into a country that today has no constitution. You must understand that your continuing to perform your assignment in support of an illegal government, is itself an unethical and unconstitutional act.

    Send this out in large numbers , requesting individuals and organisations to repeat this message to as many high profile persons and those at high positions, with a copy released to press.

  146. ismail says:
    November 12th, 2007 12:10 pm

    lots of people are sharing lost of god ideas onthis… here is from an email I got:

    Please take flowers & notes of support (just a couple of lines would
    be great) to the judges. It is important because these judges have
    withstood the pressure to take oath under the PCO. They’ve never taken
    any political stands before and are not sure what they should be
    doing. It’s impt for them to feel the support of the people.
    Particularly impt for those who are not so well known or well
    connected. Earlier we sent out the points arising from meeting the
    judges by various members of this group (may be useful to refer to
    that when drafting a note). Anyone can call, introduce yourself as a
    concerned citizen and go see them to express solidarity.

    Below, the updated list of justices of the Sindh High Court who have
    not taken oath under PCO (removing Zia Pervez who is apparently
    sitting in Islamabad requesting that he be given the oath)

    1. Sarmad Jalal Osmany Hs no 6, Kh-e-Qasim, Phase VIII, DHA 5846615, 5340332
    cell 0304-204-5550
    2. Anwar Zaheer Jamali M-30/1, Kh-e-Ittehad, Phase VII, DHA 5340147, 5340156
    3. Mushir Alam 56 Depot Line, Soldier Bazar 2229476, 7218983
    4. Rahmat Hussain Jafferi 81/D, Bath Island 5833091, 9250185
    5, Khilji Arif Hussain 8-B, Phase 1, Main Korangi, Defence Rd, behind
    Caltex petrol pump 5382713, 5882183
    6. Amir Hani Muslim BG-02, 12 CL-8, Pursa Heaven, Civil Lane Quarters 5656857-8
    7. Gulzar Ahmed 52-Am 1/1, 3rd Sunset St, Phase II-ext, DHA 5802100, 5384325
    8. Maqbool Baqar 71-N, Block 2, PECHS 4312391, 4385655
    9. Mohd Ather Saeed, A Wahid E-25, Block ‘F’, North Nazimabad 6644164, 6646280

    Plus the following new judges (non-PCO) (thanks Kamran):

    1) MR. ZAFAR AHMED KHAN SHERWANI
    B-8, SECTOR Z-1 GULSHAN -E-MEHMAR SCHEME 45 KARACHI
    tELEPHONE NO. 6351848 AND 6350453

    2) MR.JUSTICE ARSHAD SIRAJ MEMON
    F-13 BLOCK 4, HATIM ALAVI ROAD, CLIFTON, KARACHI
    TELEPHONE. 5868561 -

    3) MR.JUSTICE SALMAN ANSARI
    BANGLOW NO 23/B GOR BATH ISLAND CLIFTON KARACHI
    TELE . 5823990

    4) MR JUSTICE ABDUL RASHEED KALWAR
    VILLAGE QAZI LAL BUX KALWAR, TALUKA MIRPUR MATHILO DISTRICT GHOTKI
    TELEPHONE .0723-708179 — 0723-703134

  147. Rafay Kashmiri says:
    November 12th, 2007 12:11 pm

    Ali Mirza,

    Chapeau, Monsieur !!
    merci

  148. bilal says:
    November 12th, 2007 12:49 pm

    To Habib,

    Fully agree with you, whatever the shortcomings of Gandhi, he did teach the world a thing or two. Unfortunately, the Gandhian Philosophy is not for the uninitiated mind, and it requires tremendous resilience and sacrifice. It is not as simplistic as blowing yourself up like the taliban.

    Though I seriously doubt that many will be able to implement his style successfully as it is not trivial to figure all that out without a deep conviction in the non violent methodology, but maybe it’s worth giving a try.

  149. SH Kavi says:
    November 12th, 2007 1:35 pm

    What we should not do;
    1

  150. TamashBeen says:
    November 12th, 2007 1:38 pm

    Lots of good ideas here. I would also like to add something very basic but very important. Looking at some of the comments here and what I hear from people, it is clear that we still need to be educated about why democracy, rule of law and constitution are important for a country. I find it depressing that in this day and age I still hear some Pakistanis who are not appalled when their basic human rights are suspended, judiciary is sidelined and freedom of expression is suppressed. Especially disturbing is the fact that I have encountered more of such people among the so-called “educated” people. I think there is a lot of work that needs to be done to really educate our brothers and sisters. Any effort in this regard, both in the short-term and the long-term, would be worthwhile too in my opinion.

  151. Bilal Ijaz says:
    November 12th, 2007 2:04 pm

    TamashBeen, you raise an excellent point. I myself have wasted a lot of time arguing with supposedly “educated” people on why democracy, human rights, media and judicial independence are important. And I’ve given up. So, I don’t have a solution. However, it’s good to see that the problem has been recognized. If edumacated people can’t recognize why martial law is wrong and that the army needs to stop participating in politics and civilian matters, what hope is there for the masses?

  152. Fraz says:
    November 12th, 2007 2:05 pm

    Please register your protest at http://www.BoltaPakistan.com . And forward it as many as you can. Help spread the word.

    This is another way we can let our voice be heard. Students have put up this site and InshaAllah they will be successful in their cause.

  153. auk says:
    November 12th, 2007 2:51 pm

    Adonis, Yes, article 6 has to apply here. That is why you won’t see the emergency lifted, and that is why elections will take place under emergency. Just a sham one to silence the west and to get a 2/3rd vote to sanctify this.

    Mush’s press conference says it all. This is a desperate man making desperate moves. If he is attacking the western journalists, you can well imagine what he will do to anyone in Pakkistan.

  154. Adam Insaan says:
    November 12th, 2007 3:06 pm

    auk@

    “if he is attacking western journalist…”

    -It has surprised me quite much , the way mr.Musharaf `talked`to the western journalists.

    If a school-teacher talked in this way here in Scandinavia, the following day the parents of affected children would be at the schooladministration

  155. November 12th, 2007 3:07 pm

    Musharraf the movie is coming to its natural end, he is a spent force, see http://www.otherpakistan.org/archive.html if I have confused you.

    I still believe that simplicity is best, lets ask the millions to march in SILENCE. The silence will be deafening, it will succeed INSHALLAH

    Feimanallah

    Wasim

  156. JMA says:
    November 12th, 2007 3:14 pm

    Qandeel Sahib, I dont think anyone is defending the general here, he is also one of them and as I said before we should get rid of all these thugs and thieves who have looted and rapped Pakistan for their own hidden agendas.

    Specially the supporters of BB, wake up guys and look back what she and her husband did to Pakistan, have you all forgotten that what this family has done to Pakistan that you want to bring her back…she should be locked up and tried for the charges that the general has dismissed for his own hidden agenda…

  157. Arsalan says:
    November 12th, 2007 3:24 pm

    Hi adeel bhai. I had some questions about graduate education in the United States in the field of International studies/business. I realize that you are a respected professor, and i was hoping that i could ask you a few questions about good masters programs one can apply to. If you could be so kind as to send an email on my address, i will be able to make contact with you. I realize that you are a busy person, and it would be completely understandable if you dont have time.

    regards,
    arsalan.

  158. Adam Insaan says:
    November 12th, 2007 3:36 pm

    JMA@

    BB has a court-statement , I recall it as a Court from Schwitzerland, stating that she did some economical-criminality, as far as I remember, can anybody verify or deny this please.

  159. Ahmad Tariq says:
    November 12th, 2007 3:52 pm

    I think we should come up with a Student Database for those who are willing to peacefully protest against this regime. And we should apply all cryptographic and security measures to this database so that no one at all gets the access except a few. Plus, this student database will turn out to be our database of a civil society that will continue this struggle for our rights.

    Kindly note: As much as I know (correct me if am wrong) the western countries’ histories show that the people snatched their rights from governments, the governments never provided those rights on their own!

  160. Rafay Kashmiri says:
    November 12th, 2007 4:44 pm

    @JMA,
    @Adam Insaan,

    Gentlemen,

    In Switzerland BB has a problem with finances
    violations, I heard very grave one !

    In Spain she has a big big problem with UNO,
    Oil for food, she is nailed in Valencia court, the
    affaire is about nine figures US$ scandal, again
    very very serious problem, she has a partner
    called Rehman Mallick, hav’nt you seen last
    Jawabdeh program of Dr. Iftikhar verses
    Jehangir Badr totally knocked out by Iftikhar.
    Strange, normally Geo is BB’s chamcha and pub
    manager.

  161. Rafay Kashmiri says:
    November 12th, 2007 4:50 pm

    Geo’s jokes,

    just now I saw on Geo Int. jews buliton, claiming
    that there was a meeting of Union of Pakistani
    journalist of Italy and Greece in Athens held and
    it condemned so & so & so……………………. but never showed
    even one photo or glimps of those militants. What is this??

  162. Emad says:
    November 12th, 2007 5:03 pm

    Just came across this…thought i share it..interesting…WHERE DO WE GO

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article2848490.ece

  163. Sohail Agha says:
    November 12th, 2007 5:19 pm

    @ Emad

    The purpose to put that article in times online could have two purposes.The obvious one is to show the criminal extent to which the agencies would go to achieve the favourable rulings.

    The hidden one could be to character assassinate the judges.
    What the agencies fail to understand is that the stand taken by the judges to say the truth despite being blackmailed will make them still more credible and their act of defiance all the more heroic.

  164. Pakistan's General Problem says:
    November 12th, 2007 6:43 pm
  165. Watan Aziz says:
    November 12th, 2007 7:04 pm

    I do want to thank that ‘thola’ who thrashed the CJP back in March. But for him, CJP would have been a minor footnote in history.

    And also the cameraman who brought the house of cards down. Alas, if the cameraman would have been a Western journalist, he would have been nominated up for a Pulitzer prize for Breaking News Photography. (Witness the double standards. I still do not know if they had any moral standards or lost them recently.)

    Frankly, I do not consider Pakistani judges to be angles, nor the judicial system a model but when a constitutional office holder has no ordinary respect and can be willfully thrown around like a common criminal and within the presence of grade 21+ law enforcement officers, the system has totally broken down.

    Ironically, this is latest martial law has deposed President Musharraf by General Musharraf and negates the eight years of Sultan Musharraf (A Turkish jingoistic title with total state power). The decree is too funny and only a jail warden can have so much fun.

    A jail house of 160+ million good, decent, hard working and honest people.

    Are we venting or what?

    Pakistan Zindabad
    Pakistan Pa’indabad

  166. Usman says:
    November 12th, 2007 7:12 pm

    Another thing to do:

    Some Pakistani students have made a website to register protest against the martial-law. (www.BoltaPakistan.com)

    Please register your protest and forward it to as many as you can. This is the least we can do to show our support to those fighting for our rights.

  167. Naseem says:
    November 12th, 2007 7:26 pm

    This is my contribution to show the world how much we despise this world’s most organised & disciplined gang aka Pakistan Army.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vy17zlAeL20

  168. Mutahir says:
    November 12th, 2007 8:45 pm

    Yes the emergency rule should end !!!!

    But, being a Pakistani, One think, do they really have the right to elect whoever they want ? through fair elections…????

    Benazir or Nawaz Shariff shouldn’t be entered into politics again as they have a proven track record of corruption, Benazir is being investigated for Money Laundering in Switzerland and they are coming to a conclusion/decision and probably will take it further even.

    Imran Khan should be brought in Light for the elections…God Save Pakistan from Benazir, Nawaz Shariff and all the corrupt leaders out there.

    Please Promote : End Emergency & NO to Benazir !

  169. auk says:
    November 12th, 2007 9:27 pm

    Is this site and others like it under attack by the agencies. Why are we seeing this ambiguity in what should or shouldn’t be done.
    It is not a question of bb versus mush versus ns or anyone else. It is a question of one man imposing his will on the 160 million people of this country. The constitution is abrogated and civil liberties are under attack. There is only one issue at hand; do we want the constitution of the country brought back, do we want to have our freedom as citizens of Pakistan, or do we want to live like slaves; slaves to the whims of one man.

  170. ivehadit says:
    November 12th, 2007 10:23 pm

    Many of the posts confuse Musharraf’s actions with what Benazir may have done in the past. Let’s acknowledge for a second that Mohtarma is leading with her life and liberty on the line. Lets give her credit for that. She may be self-serving but she is also an incredible woman taking on an incredible role in an overwhelmingly male dominated profession. Her current actions on behalf of Pakistan, in my humble opinion, make up for any past transgressions. Lets stand up for the Pakistani woman for a change.

    Lets be clear that the villian of the day is indeed General Musharraf. He’s the coward that hides behind the Army’s guns. He tears up the constitution at will and rules by decree. But Benazir gets the blame. Look at it objectively and maybe another truth may surface. Maybe, just maybe, its that people don’t like the idea that an ambitious, strong woman can take on the all the kings men and beat them at their game. After all, NS was just as bad when he was in power. I don’t hear much mention of his transgressions on these pages.

  171. SH Kavi says:
    November 12th, 2007 10:37 pm

    We should be very clear about what this struggle is for;

    –Restoration of Constitution
    –Freedom of expression
    –Free and fair election

    If we bring personalities into this discussions, that would be counterproductive at this time and would distract us from achieving our primary objectives.

  172. Viqar Minai says:
    November 12th, 2007 11:26 pm

    Folks,
    Prof. Rasul Bux Rais has a very uplifting article in the Dail Times today. I strongly recommend that everyone read it:

    http://tinyurl.com/2fy322

    @Naseem, you have at least one more supporter if no one else.

  173. November 12th, 2007 11:37 pm

    SH Kavi:

    Well said – yours is a voice backed by the silent majority of readers – this space for discussion is inordinately used to discuss and condemn (or elevate) personalities – somehow the issues get sidelined.

    Perhaps it is also reflective of our national ethos…

  174. Fahim Ali says:
    November 13th, 2007 12:32 am

    Emergency is just a name to do whatever you want and listen none. And those who protest be locked…..Read abt protest of journalists for it at:

    http://www.chowrangi.com/protests-by-journalists.html

  175. Claude says:
    November 13th, 2007 5:28 am

    Checking info that circulates informally. Not much can be done about what circulates in traditional media, but due to the desire to act, some people are likely to be less critical than they normally would be towards info that circulates via e-mail, in blogs etc. See for instance the important warning “URGENT Notice to rally organizers & participants” posted by Ange on Teeth Maestro, http://tinyurl.com/2gtua2 :
    “We have seen several calls to take children to rallies and demonstrations. We urge every reader to leave children well supervised at home.
    This is a dangerous practice and should not be done”
    Moreover, some calls for demos have all the trappings of hoaxes (“forward to all your friends”, no reference etc). They might be hoaxes done by a single irresponsible idiot, or they might be genuine calls by well-meaning people who don’t know about hoaxes and happen to write this way. Or they might be disinformation attempts from the government.
    So if you receive a call for action that smells fishy to you, try to write to the people who forwarded it before, and politely ask them if they know more about it. Above all, as Ange did it the quoted post, if the e-mail suggests to take kids along to a demo, ask the people further up the line to please send a second e-mail telling people not to do so.

  176. ivehadit says:
    November 13th, 2007 8:06 am

    SH Kavi Sahab, with due respects, to say this is not about personalities (eg Iftikhar Chaudhry, Gen Musharraf, BB, etc) is just a cop out. Let me check again, maybe this is pakistaniat on secondlife, not the real thing.

  177. November 13th, 2007 11:25 am
  178. Rafay Kashmiri says:
    November 13th, 2007 12:12 pm

    ISI,

    they should immidiately abandon getting involved
    in internal politics for God’s SAKE !!!!!

  179. Sohail Agha says:
    November 13th, 2007 12:27 pm

    Harvard Law School ‘Medal of Freedom’

    http://www.law.harvard.edu/news/2007/11/13_pakistan.php

  180. Rafay Kashmiri says:
    November 13th, 2007 12:41 pm

    Ranji

    I wonder what do you mean, at his age Ravi Shankar
    should teach Sitar to Musharraf in his graveyard vicinity.??

  181. Rafay Kashmiri says:
    November 13th, 2007 1:16 pm

    Sohail Aga,

    @ “Harvard Law School ‘Medal of Freedom ‘

    if you don’t know where to dump it , send it to me,

    I have a giant eco trash Bin called Superdrecksk

  182. Imad says:
    November 13th, 2007 2:26 pm

    It amazes me that expatriates sitting halfway around the world in the cozy confines of their living rooms have taken with such fervour to the recent emergency declaration in Pakistan. Where were you all during the events that led up to this crisis? Where was the spirit when governments were cozying up to the militants and jihadists that now threaten the very fabric of Pakistani society? Yes, you will continue to enjoy your constitutionally enshrined freedoms in your adopted country while the average Pakistani worries about the next day’s meal, clothing and shelter for his kids who have been all but abandoned by leadership and society in general. Have your two cents worth on the sorry state of education in Pakistan as the country steadily ambles towards guaranteed self-destruction – after all, it’s easier to feel better after voicing opinions in familiar company than to get out in hostile territory to make a real change. Where were you when during the 90s the so-called democratically elected leaders that so you want back so dearly were raping and pillaging the country no end for personal gain? Oh yeah, you were busy packing up and leaving a failed state. Now you want the same crooks to come back, ensure democracy for your fellow compatriots, and fight the scourge of militant Islam. As if after that wave of the magic wand, everything in Pakistan will be hunky dory. Do you not realize that there will NEVER be democracy in a country where the VAST MAJORITY of people has ZERO representation? When you’re a peasant existing (yes, existing, not even living) under the tyranny of a monstrous landlord for whom you are nothing more than a beast, do you have any real choice who to pick as your leader, especially when half your family in in chains in his private jails and the other half is paying off a debt incurred 5 generations ago? Why have we never risen with the same fervour to guarantee these poor ‘beasts’ some basic human rights too? Where was the spirit when women across the land were being gang raped and killed in the name of honour and Islam, when the Hasba bill was being enacted into law, and all of the National Assembly was busy fixing the prices of basic food commodities for their own gain, while telling the populace that guilty traders would be found and punished.

    This could go on and on. The Point is, Pakistan has suffered for 60 years from neglect at the hands of its own people. We have never been pushed to do anything about our future, we just chose to run from it. It’s still happening today, and now we’re past the point of no return. Only the restoration of basic human rights for the citizens of Pakistan, their right to choose leaders beyond the corrupt, despicable swines we have now, and a steely resolve to fatally crush militant Islam will rescue us from this quagmire. It’s time to end family dynasties and get some real leaders. It’s time to drive the mullah out of his mosque where he rapes little kids and drown him in the sea. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!

  183. Ameed Sheikh says:
    November 13th, 2007 2:58 pm

    Definitely very furious response Imad. One of the important aspects on which people here are recording their comments is “Freedom of Speech”. Nobody can justify being a patriot by fleeing out of country in the time of need. But the limit to which our society has gone, the next thing is a total breakup into groups which have zero tolerence for each other. Most of us are very well aware of the fact that the plunderers of national treasure are the ones on the forefront of these protests. But the problem is that before these politicians could be taken in by the process of democratic accountability the dictatorship in Pakistan has always been coming into the picture to take away the national leadership. However, the positive side of this situation is that all over the world people have realized and united for the cause i.e, “Govt. of people, by the people, for the people”, and that is only possible by independent judiciary. If you look closely, just in past few months Pakistan had started seeing the rulings of an independent court. And right there we saw how the dictator leadership took such decisions. ZERO tolerence.

    Regarding the situation of militant islamists:
    I would like to draw attention of readers to the fact that Punjab (majorly) and Sindh have no right to use the natural resources by depriving the locals of NWFP and Balochistan from those resouces. No government in Pak’s history has given true provincial independence. Capital has always kept a central control on provincial governments. When we corner the locals in these areas, the external factors definitely take the advantage of these situations. And in such a situation, force is not the way to crulp the insurgents, however you if you take the approach of dialogue, that helps reslove the situation gradually and with less pain.

    Its never too late before its really over. United we stand, divided we fall.

  184. Sohail Agha says:
    November 13th, 2007 5:05 pm

    The ‘what’ part of the solution seems to have been understood by most. The question here is the ‘how’ and ‘right now’ part of the soultion.

  185. November 13th, 2007 5:16 pm

    Are you finding it hard to motivate the students at your educational institution to protest against the Martial Law?

    An easy way to encourage your student-colleagues to protest is to collect the news about the protests taking place at various campuses across Pakistan (LUMS, FAST-NU, Quaid-e-Azam University, Punjab University, etc.) into a pamphlet and distribute them in massive quantities. You can find plenty of news on the Internet. This should also include something like

  186. ivehadit says:
    November 13th, 2007 5:47 pm

    Great that Harvard Law has stood up for principle. I find the lack of discussion around Mr. Chaudhry on this board somewhat disheartening. We need to remember his fight above all.

  187. Watan Aziz says:
    November 13th, 2007 8:32 pm

    Pakistani chief justice to receive Harvard Law School ‘Medal of Freedom’

    http://www.law.harvard.edu/news/2007/11/13_pakistan.php

    Yes, some are stirred.

    We all have to look in the mirror each morning.

    If you will not speak for the one who needs help, whom will you speak for? If the weakest among us is not treated as the strongest for his rights, then where is the morality?

    And yes, we shall speak again and again, even from the comfort of our homes. Because if we are unable to do anything, lending our voice is the least we can do.

    There is still shame alive in this world.

    We who speak have it. We do not support shameless acts.

    We do not have, nor will we send in the goons. We do not have guns. We do not have mercenaries. We do not want to hurt someone to make a point. That is your domain.

    We are not cut from the same cloth, you will not understand us.

    We will speak up for the weak.

    Against, shameless acts.

    Pakistan Zindabad
    Pakistan Pa’indabad

  188. ismail says:
    November 14th, 2007 4:17 pm

    Recieved this in my email, obviously a movement is afot:

    News About the ABA and Issues of Importance to the ABA

    Produced by the Division for Media Relations and Communication Services

    14 November 2007

    ABA News Coverage

    “OCU Law to Hold Vigils for Imprisoned Judges, Attorneys,” Journal
    Record, “Oklahoma attorneys, law professors and students will meet at
    the Oklahoma City School of Law Wednesday to participate in one of three
    silent vigils scheduled to show solidarity with lawyers and judges in
    Pakistan, many of whom have been imprisoned recently for campaigning for
    restoration of the rule of law in that country by its president, Pervez
    Musharraf. … The American Bar Association is sponsoring a rally and
    march near the U.S. Supreme Court in Washington, D.C., and is urging
    American attorneys to host solidarity events. ‘It is time for us to
    demonstrate that we share Pakistani lawyer’s commitment to justice,’
    said ABA President William Neukom. ‘Together, we will show that Pakistan
    lawyers are not fighting alone.’

    http://www.journalrecord.com/article.cfm?recid=83573

    “Hundreds Rally at Courthouse to Support Pakistani Attorneys,” New York
    Law Journal, “About 700 lawyers rallied yesterday afternoon in front of
    state Supreme Court in Manhattan to show support for lawyers and judges
    in Pakistan battling for the restoration of the rule of law. Addressing
    the throng that poured down the courthouse steps and spilled onto the
    sidewalk, Barry Kamins, president of the New York City Bar Association,
    said the rally was called ‘to embolden” the Pakistani lawyers and judges
    who have been “physically manning barricades and trying to face down an
    entire army.’ Kathryn Madigan, president of the New York State Bar
    Association, also called for lawyers to speak “with one voice in defense
    of the rule of law” in Pakistan. …The American Bar Association has
    called for lawyers to march around the U.S. Supreme Court in Washington,
    D.C., and attend a rally on the courthouse steps tomorrow.”

    http://www.law.com/jsp/nylj/

    8246981>

    “Michigan Lawyers Express Solidarity with Pakistani Law Community,”
    Daily Times, “The State Bar of Michigan has urged its members to show
    support for their Pakistani counterparts and to ‘encourage our own
    government to support the release of the detained judges, lawyers and
    human rights activists, and the restoration of the rule of law in
    Pakistan.’ Ronald D Keefe, president of the state bar group, in a
    statement in the Detroit Free Press writes, ‘Like so many others, I am
    deeply disturbed by the recent events in Pakistan, where President
    Pervez Musharraf has suspended the national Constitution, detained eight
    members of the Supreme Court, and arrested thousands of Pakistani
    lawyers who were peacefully protesting the dismantling of their legal
    system.’ …Keefe reminds his members that the American Bar Association
    is planning a march in Washington, DC, on November 14, where lawyers in
    black suits will gather and walk around the US Supreme Court building.”

    http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/

    “Hub Attorneys Rally for Pakistani Lawyers,” Boston Business Journal,
    “In a protest against the firing of the Chief Justice of Pakistan and
    the beating and jailing of lawyers opposed to martial law in Pakistan,
    the Boston Bar Association, the Massachusetts Bar Association and other
    bars groups rallied on the steps of the Massachusetts State House
    Tuesday. …Boston Bar Association president Tony Doniger also urged BBA
    members to attend a national rally at noon on Wednesday at the U.S.
    Supreme Court in Washington, D.C., which is being organized by the
    American Bar Association. ‘I encourage all members to rally today to
    show their support for restoring the Constitution of Pakistan and
    underscoring the importance of an independent judiciary,’ said Boston
    Bar Association president Tony Doniger, in a statement. ‘Once again we
    join in the call of the American Bar Association and others for the
    immediate restoration of the Pakistani legal system.’”

    http://www.bizjournals.com/boston/stories/2007/11/12/
    >

    “Inside the Beltway: Lawyers In Arms,” Washington Times, “Word is that
    there are more lawyers in the District on a per capita basis then in any
    other country in the world, and this morning they will march en masse in
    support of lawyers and the rule of law in Pakistan. ‘ Images this week
    of police beating and jailing almost 3,000 Pakistani lawyers were almost
    as shocking as General Pervez Musharraf suspending Pakistan’s
    Constitution and putting Supreme Court under house arrest,’ William H.
    Neukom, president of the American Bar Association, wrote to his fellow
    lawyers. He says a ‘critical mass of lawyers’ will gather at 11:30 a.m.
    at the James Madison Building, 101 Independence Ave. SE, and march
    around the Supreme Court.” (Contact MRCS for complete articles,
    abanews@abanet.org)

  189. ismail says:
    November 14th, 2007 4:40 pm

    Another voice, another day:

    *PROTEST AGAINST MARTIAL LAW IN PAKISTAN*

    *OUTSIDE UN PLAZA, NEW YORK *

    Sunday, November 18, 2007

    1:00pm – 3:00pm

    *Location: *UN Head Quarters,* *First Avenue at 46th Street

    *Subway: *42nd St.-Grand Central (4,5,6,7,S)

    /NY Students’ Pakistan Action Committee is a coalition of students
    across NY Universities./

  190. Ismail says:
    November 14th, 2007 5:27 pm

    Another voice joins in:

    The National Association of Women Lawyers Joins in the ABA’s Resolutions
    Regarding Pakistan and Supports the November 14, 2007 March in
    Washington

    As the world is aware, Gen. Pervez Musharraf, President of the Islamic
    Republic of Pakistan, declared a state-of-emergency on November 3, 2007
    which has resulted in suspension of its constitution, judicial
    processes, and the rule of law. It has also resulted in the detention
    of lawyers and human rights advocates. The ABA has issued statements and
    sent a letter to General Musharraf condemning these actions. The
    National Association of Women Lawyers concurs with the sentiments
    expressed in the ABA’s November 6, 2007 statements. NAWL, too, urges
    that Pakistan resume observance of the rule of law. Tomorrow, November
    14, 2007, in Washington, D.C., the ABA is leading a march in support of
    the lawyers and the rule of law in Pakistan.

  191. Ismail says:
    November 15th, 2007 5:10 pm

    Yet more voices:

    * Action by Judges: Illinois Judges Association along with other bars have sent a letter to the Ambassador and Illinois Congressional delegation. (find attached)
    * Action by Lawyers: A letter is signed by Illinois State Bar Association will be signed by all their affiliates today before their annual dinner along with a press conference (find press release attached)
    * Demonstration: Chicago Bar Association along with five other ethnic bars including Pakistan Bar Association of Chicago and Muslim Bar of Chicago will be demonstration coming Monday, Nov 19th at the Daley Center (inside the building).

  192. Sohail Agha says:
    November 15th, 2007 6:18 pm

    International Media on the situation in Pakistan..

    On his way out…?

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/pakistan/Story/0,,2210245,00.html

    How to deal with such a man…?

    http://economist.com/opinion/displaystory.cfm?story_id=10134027

  193. Rafay Kashmiri says:
    November 15th, 2007 6:25 pm

    Geo’s Jawabdeh segment,

    I am just watching the Pakistan’s “thinking elite” talking,
    self proclaimed ” intellectuals discussing civil society’s
    status and place in the Pakistani culture.
    I discovered a “Tabqa ” existing in Pakistan who
    “think” that they are chosen race par excellance,
    The leftist “Kunglay” bavardeur likes of
    Ghazi Salahuddin, Azghar Hassan, Huma…… as
    ” Tajzia Nigar, Danishwar ”
    God save the country !!

  194. Viqar Minai says:
    November 16th, 2007 1:28 am

    Dawn News has just reported that Justices Nawaz Abbasi, Faqir Khokhar, and Javed Buttar have expressed inability to be part of the bench (already in the middle of) hearing the case in the SC against emergency and the PCO.

    (Friday 12/16/06 approx 11:15 AM Pakistan time)

  195. Ismail says:
    November 16th, 2007 3:25 am

    The movement has really caught on. I cannot remember anything like this in my 32 years. People everywhere are speaking up. That is what we all need to do, to speak up.

  196. Sohail Agha says:
    November 16th, 2007 5:51 am
  197. Tahir says:
    November 17th, 2007 12:42 am

    ALL PAKISTANIS SHOULD PUT UP A BACK FLAG ON THEIR FRON WALLS TILL THE DAY MUSHARRAF LEAVES OR GETS KILLED.

  198. Tahir says:
    November 17th, 2007 1:26 am

    Three judges step down from PCO case:
    “Justice Mohammad Nawaz Abbasi, Justice Faqir Mohammad Khokhar and Justice M. Javed Buttar said judicial propriety demanded that they detached themselves from the bench after President Gen Pervez Musharraf had cited their recent judgments to justify the imposition of emergency.”

    I ask:
    Where was the judicial propriety when they took the unconstitutional oath?
    And what did they think they will be asked to hear after taking that oath? A debate whether peanuts are better than walnuts?
    I suspect they are changing their mind just like Benazir did after discovering Musharraf is a lost cause.

  199. adeela says:
    November 17th, 2007 5:36 am

    why we are waitng for a miracle?
    every one is looking for his/her benefit.
    noone cares for pakistan. as we established thic country for ISLAM and ALLAH so HE should take care for this country. we are living in it just to demage it.

  200. peri says:
    November 17th, 2007 5:59 am

    a tuj ko btaon ma k takdeer- e -umam kiya hy
    samsheer o saanna awal taoos- o- rubab akhar

  201. Rafay Kashmiri says:
    November 17th, 2007 6:55 am

    What can you do ?

    @ Peri, please note Iqbal’s sher is like :

    Aa tujh ko batatahon, Taqdeer-e-Ummum kia hay
    Shamshir-o-San’a awal. Taoos-o-rubab Akhir,
    ( today, its just the other way round )

    another one,
    Qahari-o-Jabari-o-Quddusi-o-Jabrood,
    Yeh char anasir hon, to banta hay musalman
    (today, what are the “anasirs ?)

    @Adeela,
    Yes we have transgressed AlMighty’s limits,
    rediculed religion, promoted Fahashi, alcool,
    Sexual perversity, refused Shai’r-e-Islam,
    abuse of religion, corrupt Mullahs as accomplices,
    Family life disintegrated, re-installation of caste
    system thru Geo’s Shadi-on-line, and other Sins.

    Al Mighty can forgive individual “Kotahis” but
    collective sins are never forgiven !!

  202. Rafay Kashmiri says:
    November 17th, 2007 8:58 am

    @what can you do,?

    OBITUARY

    On the Sad demise of Pakistani LADY called
    SOVEREIGNTY BEGUM at the age of few
    years, during a tragic voyage to Freedom killed
    by her won people. You are kindly requested to:

    Recite Fatiha on her and make Dua for her
    Lawaheqeen left behind !

  203. Abid says:
    November 17th, 2007 9:17 am

    A coup from Wonderland

    In the topsy-turvy logic of Gen-Prez – neither democracy nor stability is in prospect.

    How to deal with such a man?

    A halfway representative government might also start healing Pakistani grievances. Sixty years after it was cobbled togather

  204. Noaman akhtar says:
    November 17th, 2007 2:02 pm

    I am student of LLB part one.I have great feelings and emotions agianst who promulgated marsal law not emergency in my home land.He committed the offence of High Treason under Artical 6 of our sacred book Constitutoin of pakistan according to my opinion he shall be hanged…………….Think for ur land And rights……….

  205. Rafay Kashmiri says:
    November 17th, 2007 2:06 pm

    Abid,

    Is MQM speaking inside you, or you are speaking
    on its behalf ?

  206. Deewana Aik says:
    November 17th, 2007 2:12 pm

    “Rafay Kashmiri says

    OBITUARY

    On the Sad demise of Pakistani LADY called
    SOVEREIGNTY BEGUM …”

    Because Maududi/JI caused the 1953 riots causing the first marshal law in country

  207. Deewana Aik says:
    November 17th, 2007 2:27 pm
  208. Abid says:
    November 17th, 2007 4:12 pm

    Rafay Kashmiri: Kamran Shafi said it best for me:

  209. Qaiser says:
    November 18th, 2007 7:38 am

    There is a whole series of protests that are now beginning because of this silly closing of ARY and GEO. Seems like the general is purposely making the absolute worst decisions he could. Maybe the people advising him actually want him to self-destruct. No better strategy for doing so can be imagined than what he is already doing.

  210. Muhammad Fiaz says:
    November 18th, 2007 10:19 pm

    Nice effort ,

  211. Salma says:
    November 19th, 2007 9:53 pm

    Pakistanis everywhere are sick n tired of Musharraf and his govt. Everywhere you go in Lahore you hear the same thing. Its time for him to go.

  212. Daktar says:
    November 23rd, 2007 10:09 am

    It is interesting how a few people on this site keep trying to change the focus to BB and Nawaz Sharif rather than Musharraf. Standard divisionary tactic; spam the site with many messages to confuse the issue.

    Yes, BB was and is really bad. So what? Does that give Musharraf the liscence to be worse? Sure she is a pawn of the US. So what? Musharraf is a bigger pawn of the US and accepts it.

    Since when is the argument that the alternative is bad a reason to stick with someone who is clearly worse!

    What we all need to do is to not let this argument overwhelm the real issue which is Musharraf’s martial law, destruction of justice and free speech in Pakistan and turning our country into another tinpot dictatorship.

  213. Suresh says:
    December 8th, 2007 8:19 pm

    All the best to Pakistan.

  214. February 25th, 2009 3:28 am

    Thank you for the invaluable support, I see on the web page. I just did what my concience guided me and what I thought was right. To do what is right and just is my bounden duty, the position I held was a sacred trust, which I held for the people of Pakistan and refused to take fresh Oath and refused reappointment instead of reinstatement I did no sacrifice but answered what I was called upon to do as a trustee of public trust.
    Justice (deposed) Mushir Alam Sindh High Court 25-2-2009
    email worldadwiser@hotmail.com

  215. Watan Aziz says:
    February 25th, 2009 8:00 am

    @Justice Mushir Alam

    First, thank you for your service and dedication to values of independence of judiciary. The example of 60+ judges resigning is unprecedented and unparalleled. Your actions will be taught in the history books of judiciary books for times to come.

    Second, would it not be even a greater service to the country, if you and your brethren get together and help publish a proposal for the top down and broad reinventing of justice in Pakistan? Now that you are both free and experienced and most importantly have the support of broad range of society.

    The nation will owe a greater measure of gratitude.

    Pakistanis have gone far to long, on a broken system in delaying and denying justice to the common man. This is untenable.

    The current setup of separate but equal benches both at federal and provincial level, without the judicial review is dead wrong. Pakistan needs a court for constitutional matters. The lowers courts are dysfunctional. There are not enough lower court and small claims court judges and clerical support. The docketing automation is primitive if available at all. The court documents and forms (e.g. kachi and pakki) are archaic and lack clarity. The language of the court needs to be the language of the people.

    Most importantly, the courts need to be on a fixed time track to dispose off the cases. The endless and countless postponements destroy any sense of justice and deny the victim a sense of any justice.

    I can go on and on, but you from the inside out know all bad spots.

    Help us help you!

  216. April 2nd, 2011 8:54 pm

    i like this university but the environment is so over against our religion

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