Technology, Society, Morality and Criminality: How A Deleted Cell Phone Video Led to Murder

Posted on March 4, 2010
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The story told in this video takes around seven minutes to tell. But it will haunt you for much longer.

What do you make of this story? About the commentary on the story? About what it says about technology? About us as a society? About our notions of morality? And, indeed, about how violence and criminality gets legitimized in the confused clash of all of the above?

42 Comments on “Technology, Society, Morality and Criminality: How A Deleted Cell Phone Video Led to Murder”

  1. Kazmi says:
    March 4th, 2010 12:37 am

    This is gut wrenching indeed.

    But this is not about technology, this is about us as a society.

  2. ATP Administrator says:
    March 4th, 2010 12:52 am

    Some comments from ATP Facebook Page:

    - “May ALLAH guide us all to straight path…Both boy and girl were guilty…That Boy must be punished”
    - “What about the Mammoo who murdered her. THE RAL CRIME HERE IS MURDER!”
    - “i agree. why he (sinner) forget to delete video from memory n fone memory as well as.. May Allah punish these boys also (1. boy who made video 2. boy who uploaded 3.mamoo who killed a guilty gurl.4 who do publicity of this event)”
    - “surely he should be punished too…All this is because of our unawarness from religion….It is very difficult for any Father/guardian to bear SUCH VIDEO…am i wrong?”
    - “Bhai, har cheeze may religion kyoun laatay hou… religion nay he tou saaray maslay daalain hain… THIS WAS A CRIME…. MURDER…. What does religion say about Murder, yaar!”
    - “Such practices are rampant in our society…the depths of immorality to which we as a nation have gone to is alarming. Boy and the girl, both are to blame, as well as the guy who killed her plus the friend and the reporter. We must take a serious look at our selves. what have we come to?”
    - “i am not saying that her uncle did right….but people of society made him to do so by criticizinng….we can just imagin the pain of thatt girl and her uncle….I dont think her uncle will have liked to kill her”
    - “What do you mean “PAIN OF TEH UNCLE”
    Do you even read what you are writing… He is a MURDERER…. and you feel HIS pain!
    For Gaod’s sake…. what are you smoking!”
    - “…truely right…we must review ourselvs as a Muslim nation….This media first excites the youth by displaying objectionable dramas and programmes and then blames the girls and boys who are not mature”
    - “Wah bhai wah. So in your world everyone is to be blamed except the person who committed the MURDER!”
    - “..beg your pardon…if you are a father,and video of your daughter’s ra** etc comes on internert.How will u feel?????You cant even get into public to listen that “your daughter……”no personal offence”
    - “I will feel bad… sad… maybe I will think of all the mistakes I have myself made… But I will NOT commit Murder… and I will certainly not go around justifying and supporting someone who has committed murder”
    - ” I am NOT saying that her uncle should not be punished… an i also said that pain of that girl and uncle….Uncle,by and girl are were to be punished…BUT HER UNCLE HAD NO RIGHT TO MURDER HER…Court had right to punish that boy and girl if they willingly did DOMETHING wrong”
    - “I am sorry but I have NO sympathy for the murderer. Nor am I going to join you in blaming the victim (the girl). Which is what you are doing!”

  3. March 4th, 2010 4:32 am

    It’s true we cannot blame technology but what we can do indeed is to educate our society about the dangers of misuse of technology – the incident discussed in the video is not the first one and won’t be the last! Unfortunately, some quarters of our male youth/adult do not indulge in such activities for the sake of vengeance, jealousy or to teach a lesson but for the sake of fun or to show off their exploits, not realizing their actions can destroy lives of many people.

    The incident they were discussing was very serious one, involving the death of a young soul and her family’s humiliation but in the video I did not find the third person’s interjections very funny – these guys need to be taught how to present certain sensitive issues otherwise …

    Khadim

    P.s: I take this opportunity and invite you to read about Ziarat’s recent ‘volcanic coughing’: http://tinyurl.com/yzjn5wr

  4. Shah says:
    March 4th, 2010 5:43 am

    Someone said Technology is neutral. But its not.

  5. mazbut says:
    March 4th, 2010 8:23 am

    It’s wrong to say that her uncle did not ‘perform’ his duty toward the young girl. She was simply seduced by a boy and misled. The latter happenings followed by default.

    In our culture it is hard to survive the ignominy brought to the family by a wayward amorous girl who is so mean and selfish that she totally ignores the pain and agony of disgrace that her actions would bring to other members of the family. What choice other than gettin rid of a black sheep did her uncle have being put to utter disgrace in his family and people??
    The champions of women rights should either condemn such indecent conduct of women which neither conforms to the norms of the society or Islam OR wait until society changes for good to meet the Western standards and life style!

    I agree that the girl had made a ‘natural’ mistake (prematurely) and in a very disgraceful manner….truly speaking it was for her to shoot down her shameless paramor!

  6. Vinnie says:
    March 4th, 2010 11:00 am

    I cant say any other word but Just that I am Shaken !

  7. Adnan Siddiqi says:
    March 4th, 2010 1:04 pm

    Now when someone says that Pakistani society is getting corrupted day by day and mobile technology is being openly abused due to night packages then some intellectual retard will curse by calling the person backward and conservative. This is not surprising neither such video cases are new anymore. Say thanks to Valentine and other stuff propagated by media which has been polluting young lot which can’t decide what’s harmful and what’s not. I doubt that video would have been deleted by that guy.

    On the other hand the incident just reveals the sick role of media. Chalo that newspaper was a local one. Dawn news paper published the name of the raped victim in the paper few weeks ago so how can one blame that local 3rd rate paper?

    When money is everything then who cares about ethics and moral values?

  8. Junaid says:
    March 4th, 2010 2:51 pm

    Yes, Adnan. This happened because of Valentine Day being celebrated. That is the whole fault.

    We baycharay Musalmaans are not capable of having dirty thoughts. We never rape or kill or blow ourselves up. Everything bad amongst us is because of the West and other outsiders. You are right Adnan, actually everything bad is because of Valentines day only.

    I am so glad that we have great intellects like you amongst us who can tell us the truth and make us aware that we have to do nothing because we are paak and all our problems are because of others. Thank you Adnan!

  9. ShahidnUSA says:
    March 4th, 2010 8:35 pm

    If it wasnt for the technology and free media, we would have never heard about this and do something about it. This honor killings has to be stopped. There is no honor in this, its a shameful act.Mamoo forgot his younger days, when his harmones were running a muk.

    There is a girl got murdered here!
    Why the girls always have to take the major brunt? Because they are weaker so take it out on them? If it was a boy, would the mamoo kill his nephew as well? No

    Major flaw in the culture.

  10. March 5th, 2010 12:28 am

    More comments from the ATP Facebook Page:

    - “One should not be propagating only the wrongs in our society under the banner of ATP.We may like to learn a bit or two from our neighbor India, which projects all things positive about it and very suavely covers the wrongs.Anyway,it is a very morbid tale of putting technology to bad use instead of improving humanity which is what the application of technology should be.”
    - “i think the real sinner is mamoo (who killed the girl)
    n also the parents off girl n boy too”
    - “also our society bcz we delay our children marriage so much n the result is we go on wrong way”
    - “when ALLAH can forgive so why we cant ………………”
    - “i watched this episode,i even wrote an entry about it on my blog http://chutkus.blogspot.com/2010/02/human-beings-screwing-up-at-their-best.html
    - “I think sub se Major galti girl k uncle ki hai, koi b achi ya buri habits le k paida nhi hota, it rlays on the person who is taking care of him/her. & at the end he murderd his nice. So Uncle was wrong from the start n till the end. Other parents and guardians shud learn from this story….”
    - “conclusion never ever store data on phone memory and store data on Memory card when u sell ur mobile keep the damn card with u”
    - “Wel said on your blog i totaly agree with u”
    - “Ohhh so sad!”
    - “Good Post ATP, I had watched this episode. This man is doing good work except pampering zardari sometimes.”
    - “very stunning … sad & …. no words 2 say ”
    - “WEll not surprising in a sense that you can recover everything from a deleted Phone, Hard drive memory card wven wen things are deletd.. very easy to recover them specially for Forensic People.. but very sad as how some ppl dnt respect others and keep it a secrete Shamefull …”
    - “it’s a chain of mistakes … sorry for the girl n her family”
    - “In an illiterate society, the target is always the weaker one and those are women and girls …….. y not that guy have been killed who made the video ….. as the real culprit is the one who left the clue for the crime “

  11. Faraz says:
    March 5th, 2010 1:05 am

    This story makes me sick at so many different levels, including the bizarre way it’s being discussed in this video.

  12. Nusr says:
    March 5th, 2010 1:57 am

    The exaggerated faux sympathy displayed by the discussants on the TV show made me nauseous.

  13. Humaira says:
    March 5th, 2010 2:10 am

    What makes me angry is that so many here are blaming the victim. As if it was the girls fault that her criminal mamoo killed her!

    What beasts we can be!

  14. Waqas Ishaq says:
    March 5th, 2010 7:36 am

    Very poignant, everyone is to be blamed from the guy who made the video, the girl who allowed him to do so, the guy who posted it on internet and the so called journalist who published it and the mammo.
    Its 110% true that if you want respect learn to give respect

  15. March 5th, 2010 1:52 pm

    The exaggerated faux sympathy displayed by the discussants on the TV show made me nauseous.

  16. Sheeraz says:
    March 5th, 2010 1:56 pm

    Disgusting way of discussing this thing on this program, which already uses an eclectic mix of quite cheap humor and fake intellect.

  17. Qadeer says:
    March 5th, 2010 2:04 pm

    This is disturbing but it is not about the technology, it is how you choose to use technology.

  18. Asim says:
    March 5th, 2010 4:07 pm

    Why is our culture and religion so anti sexuality? Sexuality is a natural thing, a gift from God that nobody should be ashamed off…well as long as you are not super dooper ugly, come on people have some sense…sexuality, romance, having fun is natural…when we are forced to stay away from such gifts from God, we are doing something unnatural and that is frustrating, this frustration can be witnessed on our society everywhere in other forms that is not good for any society. Everybody thinks that we are pleasing God by staying away from such harmless fun activities, but we all know how much we want what is artificially considered taboo/adultery etc.

    ok i am done…go ahead fire some hate mails.

  19. Kasim Mahmood says:
    March 6th, 2010 5:56 am

    These three make me more sick … pretending to care about the story. BTW … another pointless post.

  20. March 6th, 2010 8:29 am

    Thanks for sharing

  21. AllahWasaya says:
    March 6th, 2010 9:36 am

    This is an idiotic show and having a discussion like this is just like Jerry Springer sharing his so called “final thought” with the audience. Now that the girl is dead, can we at least know where exactly this happened and the name(s) of all the culprits, the alleged boyfriend, the guy who allegedly published it on the internet, the journalist who made it a headline etc. To me it sounds like just one of those contrived stories I have heard before, like the young American/British paki who gets drunk one day, his father beats him up, and he calls the cops, the father spends the night in jail, comes back home packs up and the whole family leaves for Pakistan, the moment they arrive at the airport he gets out of the plane he starts to beat the crap out of his son, the son goes to the paki cops who also beat him for drinking!…..I must’ve heard this story in different versions and every teller of the story “knew” this family!…so, until I read/hear any solid proof of this particular story, I’d take it with a grain of salt…thats my opinion!

  22. Adnan Siddiqi says:
    March 6th, 2010 3:28 pm

    @Junaid: your useless sarcasm is the only obstacle that does not let you admit the reality. One does not need to point out others to fix himself up. You re easily making such remarks because this did not happen with any kid in your family otherwise you would not have got time to make such pointless comment.

    @Asim: Sexuality is found in beasts and other kind of livings hence they often exhibit in “natural” way. When God has given you a “Brain” then its your responsibility to use it in positive and in controlled manner. If your brain does not have enough strength to hold you from what is bad then what’s the point of calling yourself a human? just because that human is wearing a designer suit?

  23. truth seeker says:
    March 6th, 2010 6:51 pm

    ” When God has given you a “Brain” then its your responsibility to use it in positive and in controlled manner”

    Are you using your brain in a positive manner? How many PhD dissertations have you written that have fundamentally changed the course of life on earth?

    Who are you to decide what is the positive way of using the human brain? Oh sorry, you never used your own brains to decide, it was written for you in a book wasn’t it?

  24. Junaid says:
    March 6th, 2010 9:03 pm

    Thank you Adnan Siddiqi, for your “useful” sarcasm!

    But you are right: “YOU do not need to point out others to fix YOURSELF up.”

    I ill look forward to YOUR fixing YOURSELF up.

  25. Ibrahim says:
    March 6th, 2010 10:25 pm

    Amazing….if you’re going to spread propaganda at least do it in a subtle manner. The “acting” is quite obvious for these three sellout. They put the blame on everybody except the girl…oh, she just fell into some bad sin. And, how come this person knows that Mammo did a bad job? May be he did his best but the girl went on to fornicate anyway.

    Let us have more free mixing and dirty programs on cable. This is just a start, it will only get worse.

    All are guilty…the girl, the uncle for killing her when even by shariah this wasn’t allowed, the journalist, and the two boys for obvious reasons.

    @truth_seeker: You’re ruined! So, you measure a person’s worth by his PhD thesis?

  26. Humaira says:
    March 6th, 2010 11:03 pm

    @Ibrahim. Your comment is one of the inhuman and insulting thing I have ever read!

    So, the girl is to blame!!!!!

    Why? Because she is a girl?

    YOU MORON… SHE IS DEAD… SHE WAS MURDERED…. SHE IS THE VICTIM…. The CULPRITS ARE IDIOTIC CUSTODIANS OF STUPID MORALITY….. GO AND WATCH A MIRROR AND YOU WILL SEE WHO KILLED HER!!!!!!

  27. Adnan Siddiqi says:
    March 7th, 2010 4:40 am

    @Junaid: Unlike you I am not just talking around rather than discussing the issue. Instead of givig solution you also acting like “drawing room analysts”. As I said, Godforbig if this would have happened with some lady of your family then you would not have wasted your life moments in such such pointless argument.

    @Humaira: Somebody scolded you back at home? Or you are being so naive?

    This girl NEEDS TO BE BLAMED at some extend that like thousand other idiot girls that girl also SUBMITTED HERSELF to a moron guy and GOT READY to EXPOSE HERSELF infront of a gUY. The Girl was more idiotic than a Mamoo because like many other idiot Pakistani girls she was expecting dreams in the eyes of that wicked guy who ruined her life.*see i use same

    It seems you live in a village where you are not allowed to find out outer world stories. Read the following story and it happened in an advanced country like US and it’s due to “openeess” and “modernism” offered by Western society.

    /today.msnbc.msn.com/id/29546030/

    Assumingly women in every part of the world get fooled by Men. “Welcome to Women’s Day”

  28. Adnan Siddiqi says:
    March 7th, 2010 5:01 am

    So, the girl is to blame!!!!!Why? Because she is a gir

    It seems Humaira et all are quite OK that girl exposed herself to a boy and gave herself for a mobile video. err. It’s sounding more disgusting to me than anything else at the moment Kia zamana agya hay, moral aur Khandani values tu rahi he nahi society mey *shivers*

  29. omer says:
    March 7th, 2010 6:56 am

    Very nice .. Hasb-e-Haal is great program .. i like it very much

  30. Baig says:
    March 7th, 2010 9:05 am

    I am aghast at ho many Taliban types are here who are essentially supporting MURDER because the girl “exposed” herself. Even if she did? Does that mean she should be killed by this criminal uncle of hers?

    Hell with your morality. This is a human life that was taken by some jahil killer. And other jahils here are supporting him.

    It gives me the shivers that we have extremists everywhere and that they would even leave comments here and defend their murder and killing!

  31. Adnan Siddiqi says:
    March 7th, 2010 10:11 am

    Lo Ji, Ab taliban type hogaye. These clean shaved *intellectual radicals* are not going to leave us all alone either.

    Baig, opposing ignorance of someone and discussing the issue does not mean endorsing the killing. Tell one single comment where any one endorsed the killing? If someone is opposing the ignorance of a person than it does not mean killing is being justified. Bhai apna dimagh ko Chashma pahnao takay saaf dekhay. This Mullah or Taliban bashing is not covering your ignorance about the entire matter. If you don’t have ability to give a solution then it does not mean you start shooting every one else.

  32. March 7th, 2010 10:51 am

    I came across this video this evening while making a new post for my blog. Adil, it might shivers you just like it would give to any noble and Khandani Pakistani person. Welcome to Lahore.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2Ui_SyhPPA

    Offcourse modern and non-Talibanic type *intellectuals* would not pay attention to this unless the fire reach to their own homes.

  33. Mohammed Wasim says:
    March 7th, 2010 11:22 am

    This is a case of murder, not of morality. Those who make this about morality, specially by blaming the victim (which often happens in crimes against women) are de facto supporting the murder.

  34. HMD says:
    March 7th, 2010 12:35 pm

    It is a bit funny but not entirely surprising to see how easily the commentors have polarized into two groups. On one side we have those who think that the crime of murder overshadows the presumed moral transgressions. The other side seems to believe that murder may be the lesser of the two crimes; committed as the last resort to stop infidelity.

    This is not surprising, as most people in Pakistan adhere to a moral standard where the worst crime is deviance from the proscribed sexual norm. The emphasis on sexual morality drawfs any other social taboos. We are willing to tolerate lies, frauds, bribes, corruption, murder, and almost anything else as long as someone keeps their pee-pee hidden. The worst slander in our society, esp. for a woman, is “loose character”. This explains all the talk about “khandani” values and the popularity of honor killings.

    The idea that the “crime” of pre-martial consensual intimacy is at most as bad as any other crime, and should not be a reason for murders, is not very popular in Pakistan. It is no wonder then, that the two groups of commentors are unable to understand each other; the two moral standards are irreconcilable.

  35. Syed Saquib Saeed says:
    March 7th, 2010 1:16 pm

    If you’re selling, giving away, recycling, donating or disposing of a computer/laptop, old hard drive or even a memory stick, be sure to wipe it clean first.

    Deleting files the regular way (Even by emptying the recycle bin) doesn’t actually remove the data; it just removes the pointer to the data, making it easy for undelete programs to resurrect it and get to your private information (Usually used by security/intelligence gathering agencies). There are also public softwares available in the market to retrieve data deleted by mistake.

    The Times recommends a bunch of software options for secure deletion; most notably the freely-available open source program called Darik’s Boot and Nuke (DBAN) for Windows. Mac OS X’s built-in Disk Utility can do secure deletes using the US Defense Department standard.

    happy deletion :)

  36. Faraz says:
    March 7th, 2010 3:01 pm

    Very well said HMD. I was going to make a post along the same lines, but I don’t think I could have said it as well as you did. It’s unfortunate how often the voices of the extreme groups drown out the voices of the moderate ones.

  37. shakeel says:
    March 7th, 2010 5:40 pm

    I am speechless after watching this video clip.

  38. Asim says:
    March 10th, 2010 12:27 pm

    @ Adnan Siddiqui: Brazilians are considered the most stress free poeple in the world…why? primarily becuase they dont care what others think of them and they dont judge others’ by their harmless acts. For other reasons, do your own research

    Going back to the original issue, those journalist published this story because this kind of spicy material is what the public demands and journalists have to make living by selling their story…whose fault is that?… I would say that its our culture that keeps people away from “fun” stuff and thus make its scarce and eye brows raise everytime such stuff comes in the news…if people were allowed to live their lives they way they want without anyone caring, do you think this murder would have occurred.

    Adnan Siddiqi, please dont ya come and tell me that we are humans…have you ever been in a crowded public bus as a young boy? It is common for some sexually frustraded man to come behind you and start pleasing himself. Then there are stories of people who have been caught molesting chickens and sheeps in the same column where this girls story was posted,,.IS THAT HUMAN? Get you facts straighten up before you act like a self proclaimed contractor to fix the morality in society…be practical!

  39. funky says:
    March 11th, 2010 1:01 pm

    Everyone is jahil in this whole story.

    the couple who were involved in sins
    the person who uploaded this video
    journalists who published the news
    and the uncle who murdered the girl.

    and above all, all the educated people who using this story as a weapon to attack and criticise other people.

    they all are jahil. and so we all are. all literate pakistani people. divided in two groups. calling each other religious fanatics or be-sharam kafirs.

    you all are jahil. you all have lost the way and the limits showed to you. you all filthy minded people use stories of some poor people to utter out the filth you have in your minds against each other. you all have no sympathy with the uneducated poor people.

    and the clowns in this video too. using it to convey a very different message to their audience.

    dont open the secret of other people

    they use these type of stories as a Transferrance, an emotional story to convey a very different message.

    what message I get ?

    1- dont watch news specially those where some media people openly discussing the secrets of our politicians and thier filthy past.

    2- try to create a negative image of the meda

    3- make you feel ashamed as a nation and have doubts about your religion.

    These type of accidents happen every where in the world. regardless of the religion, values ethics.

    this is not islam which is causing all these problems. but all these problems due to not following the principles and the guidance.

  40. Asim says:
    March 11th, 2010 3:37 pm

    @ funky: I dont blame Islam (or any other religion) for these issue, but at the same time I do not see how Islam (or any other religion) is solving these issues either!

  41. Asim says:
    March 11th, 2010 3:54 pm

    Real problem is poverty…I dont see how praying to God will solve the poverty or any other problem? If it did, we would not have had any problem in the past 1000 years. Even our dear Prophet had many problems, God did not solve his problems and expected Him to take care of His issues Himself.

  42. Adil Syed says:
    April 16th, 2010 1:02 am

    Very sad and depressing. But it shows the real picture of our modern society.

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