Adil Najam
This seems to have suddenly become a news-heavy day. Lal Masjid blast on teh one hand and now Musharraf-Benazir meetings. The News reports on this:
The second round of meeting between President General Pervez Musharraf and former Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto is underway here, the reliable sources said. The first round of the meeting lasted for about lasted for 55 minutes and it was a short a meeting. The ISI chief, some personalities of Arab countries and western diplomats also attended the meeting, the other sources said. Although the details of the meeting were not issued, however, the reports said that Musharraf and Benazir discussed important issues including current political situation in Pakistan.
“If Musharraf-Benazir meeting has been held it could be the final round of PPP-government talks and it is hoped that this meeting will have long-term positive impact on the politics of Pakistan, said Federal Minister for Railways Sheikh Rashid Ahmed while commenting on the meeting. Meanwhile, the reports said that Musharraf will also hold meeting with former Prime Minister Muhammad Nawaz Sharif and Chief Minister Punjab Shahabaz Sharif in Saudi Arabia during the second leg of Musharraf’s visit. However, the PML (N) sources have rejected the reports of Musharraf-Nawaz meeting.
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Things are still too much in flux and too complicated to comment meaningfully on this. Much coming from the insta-pundits is still either the restatement of their already known positions that they now churn out as spin, or is entirely speculative. So, we will wait to see how the dust settles. But it is quite clear that the dust has been kicked and things are in flux. Abb ount kis karwat baithay ga?
In order to get a sense of the pulse of ATP on this issue we are asking the same poll question about a BB-Musharraf deal we did back in April. Let us see what you have to say now.
Is there any way we can get rid of our leaders ?
Any possibility exporting them to some nicer place on earth?
Are you sure we reeeally need any one of them?
How long are we going to be fooled by these ‘old familiar faces” which no one desires to see again? And why should one do so? Once bitten twice shy, ain’t it?
Dr Asrar Ahmad guessed that Imam Mehdi seems to have born in 1962,,,, Isn’t he old enough now to take up his charge?
To **** with our leaders, hypocrites, both bearded and clean-shaven!
“Waheed, I didn
Looks like this thread is showing early signs of degenerating into name calling.
@aqil
Actually Justice Sajjad Ali Shah had only suspended the operation of the 14th amendment to the constitution. His decision, moreover, did not stand as it was overturned following CJ’s exit, by Justice Ajmal Mian.
I shall not defend the amendment itself which, I feel, was affected with malicious intent by the then PM. In any case, however, Justice Shah suspension of it’s operation does not constitute, in my humble view at least, a precedent for overturning future constitutional amendment which are approved by the Parliament.
@AUK
The people of Pakistan have to achieve whatever they will, not with the help of any of the current breed of politicians but inspite of them. So your point is very well taken. Let the people focus on getting the process right with the help of the Judiciary (about whose independence I have doubts, though). In the meantime, the fact that the country is going to be governed by characterless people will have to be borne as best as possible. What can be done in this interim, is to keep the civil movement alive to make sure that the govt does not become too exuberant with its adventures. In the longer term, a properly designed process will itself start weeding out the bad lot.
Salamalikum,
Waheed, I didn’t read your last comment. Yes, JUI and JI are right, and I was in the wrong.
Salamalikum,
Yes, true, very true. Jazakallahu khair. However, there are three conditions: Bring four witnesses, the person confesses and the woman becomes pregnant (this is for women). And, hasn’t he confessed that he was a playboy repeatedly? That he changed his ways and has come closer to Islam? It doesn’t matter if he admits to fathering a daughter or not. Zina is a crime regardless of there being a child or not. On top of that, Imran Khan not deciding to give his DNA even when the court ordered him to do so and letting the court declare the daughter as his (and not objecting) is telling. Also, in that youtube link I think he only denies fathering a daughter, never actually denying committing adultery.
Still, you are right I shouldn’t have said “zaani” above because I can’t provide evidence of his confessions here. Allahummagh firli. But, if someone can provide his statements where he says he was a playboy, then that would be enough. Secondly, if someone really wanted to prove him a zaani, probably it might be easy to find four witnesses (four women perhaps?) or four people to whom he confessed. But, yes until that is shown, he can’t be accused as a zaani. I retract what I said earlier.