This post was inspired by my recent trip to Istanbul — my first ever to Turkey. Turkey is probably the only country left where Pakistanis are still received warmly. Pakistanis know Turkey not only as another Muslim country but a country that was home of the caliphate (Khilafat-e-Osmania) for several centuries. They also know Turkey because of Mustafa Kemal Ataturk (died 1938). Pakistanis rate Ataturk very high among the Muslim leaders, somewhere close to Quad-i-Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah. We also have a major road named after him in Islamabad called Shahrah-e-Ataturk.

From the very inception of Pakistan both countries have had consistently warm relations. Jinnah was a great fan of Mustafa Kemal. He talked so much about him at home that his young daughter, Dina Wadia, started calling him Grey Wolf, the name of Armstrong’s famous book on Mustafa Kemal. Stanley Wolpert mentions in Jinnah’s biography that once on holidays Dina said to her father:
“Come on, Grey Wolf, take me to a pantomime; after all, I am on my holidays.”
Zulfikar Ali Bhutto was also a great admirer of Mustafa Kemal. When he visited his mausoleum in Ankara he was so impressed with the change of guards ceremony at Kemal’s mausoleum that he introduced a similar ceremony at the Quaid’s mazar in Karachi, which remains in place to this day. Musharraf, too, when he took over in 1999, made some sounds about Ataturk when he appeared on TV carrying his two little dogs. But when the mullahs growled Musharraf’s dogs disappeared, never to be seen again. Nor was Musharraf heard eulogizing Mustafa Kemal any more.
Politically and socially, Turkey has changed a lot since Mutafa Kemal, and so has Pakistan since Jinnah. But the difference is Mustafa Kemal, if he were to return today, would still be able to recognize the country he created 80 odd years ago. The country is still called Turkish Republic, the name given by him. It has the same territorial boundaries; and secularism (the centerpiece of Kemal’s reforms) is still protected by the constitution even though it has come under some pressure lately by the headscarf lobby. On the other hand, I doubt if Jinnah would recognize the country he left behind — neither territorially nor ideologically. Quadi Azam had left behind a much larger country with a short name, Pakistan. Today, he will find a lot smaller country with much longer name — Islamic Republic of Pakistan.
Other than having traditionally friendly relations with each other, Turkey and Pakistan also share some dubious distinctions. Their armed forces have been and are major players in their countries’ politics — and economy. Both armies have to their credit four coups each in as many decades in their respective countries. They also share the tragic distinction of hanging their popularly elected prime ministers on dubious or cooked up evidence. Turkey’s army hanged Adnan Menderes in 1961 while Pakistan’s army hanged Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto in 1979. These hangings cast a long and a dark shadow on each country’s politics and, which in the case of Pakistan persists it even today. Turkey, however, in a gesture of remorse or reconciliation, pardoned Adnan Menderes posthumously in 1990 and removed his grave to a mausoleum in Istanbul and even named a university and an International airport (Izmir) after him. Pakistan is still battling with the ghost of Bhutto.
Turkey, it seems, is gradually beginning to emerge from the shadows of the armed forces and moving towards a stable democracy. It had two peaceful and free elections in a row. Justice and Development Party (AKP) was only recently voted in with a landslide majority and they were able to put their candidate, Abdullah Gul, in Jankaya (Turkey’s White House). AKP’s leaders, even though labeled as Islamists, vow to maintain the secular character of their country. And the Armed Forces are, hopefully, learning to live with civilian governments in command. All indications are Turkey will remain politically stable in the foreseeable future. Pakistan, unfortunately, is still governed by a General-President who believes that Pakistan’s stability depends on his continuing in the office. Democracy and stability in Pakistan is still a pipe dream.
Since I spent only two weeks in Istanbul my impressions are mostly based on what I saw and what I heard from the taxi drivers, the shopkeepers, the tour guides and, of course, what I read in the Daily Turkish News, which was delivered to my room every morning by the hotel. Therefore, these impressions are bound to be touristy.
First impressions first. When I stepped out on the balcony of my hotel room overlooking the Bosphorus, the view, especially at night, was breathtakingly beautiful. Bosphorus is the famous waterway, running north to south between the Black Sea and the Sea of Marmara, that is the dividing line between Asia and Europe. Istanbul sits astride the Bosphorus. It is a city of 12 million and is embroidered over a range of hills on both sides of the Bosphorus, its millions of lights twinkling at night like sequins. The two suspension bridges connecting the European and the Asian sides of the city glitter like necklaces studded with different colored gemstones. It’s one of the prettiest sights.
Istanbul is to Turkey what Karachi is to Pakistan — a bustling port city. But unlike Karachi, Istanbul attracts millions of tourists annually who pump in billions of dollars into its economy.
Another thing that a newcomer notices in Istanbul are the mosques. There are, reportedly, 2,500 mosques, distinguishable by their peculiar architecture — a cluster of rather shallow domes and spear-like minarets. They look quite picturesque when lighted at night. The call for prayer or the azan goes out of these mosques five times a day, and a very large number of people seem to respond to it and head towards the mosques to pray. However, I felt that, unlike Pakistan, the loudspeakers of Istanbul are, mercifully, not as loud. I am not sure if they are intentionally set at low volumes, or it is the enunciation of the Turkish muezzins that makes the difference — or, perhaps, because of the double-glazed windows of my hotel room — I never heard the crackle of loudspeakers in even though there were two mosques nearby. On the contrary, In Islamabad I wake up with a start when the muezzin clears his throat and taps the microphone before delivering the morning azan.
A Pakistani visitor is struck with the openness of the society in Istanbul. You see women everywhere — working in the offices, shopping in the bazaars, “manning” the shops, riding the buses, trains and boats, and also praying in the mosques. Many women seem to wear a headscarf and many prefer to wear jeans and T-shirts, and some even wear bikinis on the beaches and swimming pools. It is all tolerated. There is no ban on alcohol, nor there are any restrictions on music, dancing and nightclubs.which has resulted in drug addiction.
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It is the openness and tolerance in the society coupled with the way they have preserved their historical monuments — both Christian and Muslim — that attract millions of tourists to Turkey. For example, Hagia Sophia, the famous landmark of Istanbul was the greatest Christian cathedral of medieval ages. It was converted to a mosque in 1453 when the Ottomans conquered Istanbul. (Converting places of worship or destroying them was nothing unusual in medieval ages. People of all religions did it whenever they conquered enemy territory. Unfortunately, they still do in some parts of the world.) However, in 1935 Hagia Sofia was converted into a museum and was no more used as a mosque. On the walls and the ceiling of the building both Christian and Muslim inscriptions and murals are preserved. It is a major tourist attraction of Istanbul. Incidentally, most mosques in Istanbul emulate Hagia Sofia’s architecture.
Turkey’s secularism is a bit different than the secularism that we see in Eruope or USA. It’s a bit aggressive kind of secularism, which, when introduced, might have had a rationale but it is beginning to present some problems. For example, women with headscarves are not allowed in schools, colleges and government buildings. It so happens that the new First Lady wears a headscarf. She can and will live in the President House but cannot participate in any reception held there. That’s sound funny. Doesn’t it. They will have to do something about it. A Turkish columnist, Mustafa Akyol, put it very nicely:
“Secular democracy should be neutral. It should not take sides with any religion — nor against any religion”.
But there is more to Turkish secularism than meets the tourist eye. And there is a whole history behind Turkey’s obsession with headscarf and headwear in general. More on this in a separate posts perhaps. Meanwhile, The New York Times, in a recent editorial, summed the emerging situation in Turkey in the following words, some of which are also relevant to Pakistan:
Though nearly all of Turkey’s 70 million people identify themselves as Muslim, the Turkish Constitution calls for strict secularity in public life. The insistence on secularism, in place since the country’s founding in 1923, was intended to counter what were viewed as anti-modern strains within Islam that impeded development. Over time, however, it led to the entrenchment of a secular ruling elite and the exclusion of more openly devout Muslims. In recent years, that observant group – which also accounts for much of the Turkish middle class – has fought back at the ballot box and scored victories.
Secular Turks have been understandably anxious about the ascendancy of Mr. Gul’s Justice and Development party. Widely known for its Islamist roots, the party now holds all the top offices in government. Mr. Gul himself has attracted a great deal of attention because his wife wears the Muslim headscarf, a visceral affront to some secularists.
They fear that religion may creep into government and then into their own lives, encroaching on precious freedoms such as women’s rights. Mr. Gul and his party have pledged to maintain a secular government, and their five-year record in power so far – a time of economic growth and legal reforms that have brought Turkey closer to joining the European Union – suggests that they will keep their word.
The military, which has toppled four elected governments since 1960, waves the banner of Turkey’s founder, Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, in its ferocious embrace of secularism. But Ataturk’s ultimate goal was for Turkey to become a Western-style democracy. And in such a democracy, the military exists to serve the government, not the other way around.
I think both Turkey’s armed forces and the AKP government can learn from Pakistan’s experience. Each time the army has intervened in Pakistan it has created more problems than it has solved. In the process it has not only landed the country in an intractable mess but also lost public support that is so vital to any country’s armed forces. And Pakistan’s “Islamization” process over the last 30 years should serve as a warning to AKP and all those who are toying with the idea “Islamizing” their countries. It is a slippery slope. Once you embarked on it, you go on sliding until you land in a pit from it is virtually impossible to get out —- unless, of course, another Ataturk comes along and pulls you out.
One last observation about Turks. It is summed up in a kind of stereotypic saying that I came across during my visit.
“If you hit a Turk ten times he will do nothing. If you hit him the eleventh time, he will kill you”.
This simply means don’t test a Turk’s patience too much.
Photos for this article were taken by the author himself.
I had earlier in this post commented that the context that enabled secularism in Turkey does not exist in Pakistan.
Turkey is just another country with majority Muslim population but with deep anti-Arab feelings. It happened to be a partly European and partly Asian in stock but overall homogenous. Pakistan has deeper fissures along social and ethnic lines – hetrogenous and often a hypergolic mixture of conflicting ideals.
And by the way, it was Ottomans who did not let the industrial revolution move to the East. Imagine the face of subcontinent if the industrial revolution had taken root.
It is no surprise that, for lack of intrinsic ingenuity or some strange reason, we are looking other models for our survival rather than looking inwards.
We can never be them and they can never be us. But we have to first resolve within us the fundamental question as to what exactly are we?
Overall, it was enjoyable post.
Mr. Poor and Illiterate,
Ameen to that.
This country has been looted, corrupted, and severed by us educated and literate elite throughout its history. No poor or illiterate person did any harm to it. Its about time that you rise up, make your voice heard and take the reins of this country which is going to the dogs (pekinese).
Dear PatExpat. You wrote:
“And like the elites that frequent this blog and don
I would have said that i enjoyed this article had it been written by a non-Pakistani non-Turkish fella.
U know its embarrassing to point out here that the middle class students, like myself, studied about Mustafa Kemal in matric and intermediate both in English and Urdu subjects. In Urdu, he was critized for abolishing the veil and that he was sort of a ‘bad’ guy while in English he was celebrated for abloshing the veil and that he was the hero.
Although this confusing literacy on state-dictated education is the state’s fault, coming back to the topic, do u know that Mustafa Kemal changed the Turkish culture of arabic script to roman one just to negate all the influences the Arabs brought, even though it meant that the whole country had to learn a new script? How secular is that? As others have mentioned already, u cannot keep a beard, nor wear a headscarf in important places and that Germany, the most popular foriegn country for Turks have more Turkish student enrollment among girls in percentage to total students studying in Germany to that of students studying in Turkish univs.?
U also missed out to mention another commonality bw Turkey and Pakistan, in both of them, their ‘father’, Ataturk/Jinnah cannot be opposed or dislikened. That is, u HAVE to agree with the forced liberal thinking, under the pretext of secularism!
I personally dont think any system can be perfect, either secular or khilafat based or anyother, but when i see a muslim country like Turkey forced to not follow a particular religion which happens (and happened) to be followed by the majority to an extent that they r economically blackmailing them out of it, when under the pretention of secularism, the definition of halal is reserved to only non-swine meat, where a headscarf of the first lady would create such a panic among the non-religious (not seculars), where even after adopting all the required norms of western europe doesnot get entry into the EU (other countries with similar economies have entered), where with the welcome influx of female workers comes the requirement to wear skin tight and revealing unifroms at the airport (sorry, muslim women cant apply), then the system they are following imperfectly perfected by their recent father, Ataturk is all but a source of inspiration especially for a dillusional country like Pakistan.
Btw, did u try their D
We see only what we want to see.
Why didn’t you notice the absence of beards among Turkish men. They are not allowed to keep it. And they are not allowed to pray during office even in Lunch hour. A lot of girls don’t carry on into universities because they don’t want to take their headscarves off. But then you alluded to it in your post, nothing else to talk about. But then, you were there to see only secularism. In some mosques, like we keep prayer caps, there are artificial beards. When the imam comes, he wears it, leads the prayer and puts it back in its place. You mustn’t have noticed even that.
If you go out of Istanbul, the second question the Turks ask you after finding out you are Pakistani, “Are you Muslim?” and if you reply in affirmative, they say “Alhamdolillah”. There is more in that country than meets the eye.
And like the elites that frequent this blog and don’t beleive that poor and illiterate deserve to vote, we have a similar situation in turkey where the liberal elite carried out marches and procession against the nomination of Abdullah Gul as president. It was PM Erdogan’s snap elections which brought AKP more victoriously into the parliament and getting Abdullah Gul elected as president. And surprisingly those processions were given immense and biased coverage in Time, Economist, BBC, CNN like whole of Turkey is revolting against the islamists AKP. What you know? The situation on the ground was different. The media coverage was biased. Same is the problem with your coverage – biased.
If you want so much to learn from others, there are other countries as well. For example, Malaysia. But then it would be too islamic for you.
Regardless of religious issues which makes people on this forum squirm and I try to avoid most of the times, turkish also have a unified education system unlike ours where the orphans study in Madressas, the elites do A-Levels and then we have middle of the road Matriculates and Intermediates. Surprisingly, most of their politicians including Prime Minister can’t speak English [its not their mother tongue so why should they?] yet we make fun of our cricketers that they can’t speak English. Well, did you hire them to play cricket or speak English?
How many in our country can speak Urdu? I am sure that almost all of us on this forum when we communicate verbally, do it with so much interspersed English words and sentences and we even try to speak in a western accent that its hard to make whether its Urdu with tidbits of English or actually English with tidbits of Urdu. We (specially the educated elite) have a long way to go before we even start imitating Turkish.
There was a post earlier about Turks minting money from their Christian and Islamic relics and we are blowing up buddha statues. The statues made the news because they were blown up. I can bet that 99% of the population of Pakistan didn’t even know that those statues exist what to talk of prospective tourists. We have the relics of oldest civilization Moenjodarho, Harappa [peaceful areas with no suicide bombings]. How many tourists have we brought over there?
[Disclaimer: I love Turkey and they have done very well for themselves]