Who Is Faisal Shahzad?

Posted on May 4, 2010
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Adil Najam

Pakistan-born and recently naturalized US-citizen Faisal Shahzad has been identified as and arrested for being the man behind the failed car bombing attempt in New York City.

The media in the US as well as in Pakistan is abuzz about him and information pours in so fast that it is very difficult to keep track of it. In these moments of information overload – when we know much and understand little – at least a few things should be clear to all and beyond dispute: the bombing attempted in New York City was heinous in intent and we should all be thankful that it was neither well-planned nor well-executed and the mayhem and murder that was intended was averted.

Authorities in Pakistan have done the right thing by assuring US authorities that they will cooperate fully in any investigation of this incident. Pakistanis in America should do the same. More than that, we need to be thinking about what happened here, and why. If, indeed, Faisal Shahzad was the man behind this attempted terror attack he may have (thankfully) caused no actual damage to New York City but he could deeply mutilate the reputation and self-confidence of the Pakistani community in the United States. One hopes that just as the citizens of New York did not let the car bomb blow up, Pakistanis in America will not let him destroy the self-confidence that this community has been so painstakingly reconstructing since the tragedy of 9/11.

Even as new information flows in and pieces of the puzzle get put in place there are going to be many important questions about exactly what happened when and how and why some of this does or does not fit into expected patterns. All of these are important – even critical – questions. But equally important – and critical – for Pakistanis in America is the need to begin understanding what all of this means for them, now and into the future. Let us not shy away from the tough questions that we need to ask ourselves. But let us also not be more tough on ourselves than we need to be. Let us work very hard to understand how someone from amongst us could even contemplate such a horrible act. But let us not let the horribleness of this contemplation lead to the condemnation of an entire community. Let us understand him for what he is accused of being: a criminal; let us condemn him for what is charged with having done: criminality; but let us not allow his alleged criminality with our own identity.

As one does all of this and navigates through the flood of information, here is a sampling of some important insights into who Faisal Shahzad is, excerpted from The New York Times:

Mr. Shahzad was born in Pakistan in 1979, though there is some confusion over where. Officials in Pakistan said it was in Nowshera, an area in northern Pakistan known for its Afghan refugee camps. But on a university application that Mr. Shahzad had filled out and that was found in the maggot-covered garbage outside the Shelton house on Tuesday, he listed Karachi.

Pakistani officials said Mr. Shahzad was either a son or a grandson of Baharul Haq, who retired as a vice air marshal in 1992 and then joined the Civil Aviation Authority.

A Pakistani official said Mr. Shahzad might have had affiliations with Ilyas Kashmiri, a militant linked to Al Qaeda who was formerly associated with Lashkar-e-Taiba, an anti-India militant group once nurtured by the Pakistani state. But friends said the family was well respected and nonpolitical.

“Neither Faisal nor his family has ever had any links with any jihadist or religious organization,” one friend said. Another, a lawyer, said that “the family is in a state of shock,” adding, “They believe that their son has been implicated in a fake case.”

Mr. Shahzad apparently went back and forth to Pakistan often, returning most recently in February after what he said was five months visiting his family, prosecutors said. A Pakistani intelligence official who spoke on condition of anonymity said Mr. Shahzad had traveled with three passports, two from Pakistan and one from the United States; he last secured a Pakistani passport in 2000, describing his nationality as “Kashmiri.”

…According to immigration officials, Mr. Shahzad arrived in the United States on Jan. 16, 1999, less than a month after he had been granted a student visa, which requires a criminal background check.

He had previously attended a program in Karachi affiliated with the now-defunct Southeastern University in Washington; a transcript from the spring of 1998, found in the garbage outside the Shelton house, showed that he got D’s in English composition and microeconomics, B’s in Introduction to Accounting and Introduction to Humanities, and a C in statistics.

He enrolled at the University of Bridgeport, where he received a bachelor’s degree in computer science and engineering in 2000, followed by a master’s in business administration in 2005.

“If this hadn’t happened I would have long forgotten him,” said William Greenspan, Mr. Shahzad’s adviser as an undergraduate. “There are a lot of students you get to know; they call you up once in awhile to say hello, they got a nice job. After he left U.B., I never heard anything from him.”

In January 2002 Mr. Shahzad obtained an H1B visa, a coveted status meant for highly skilled workers and good for three years, with a possible extension. Records show that Elizabeth Arden, the cosmetics giant, applied for a visa around that time for a job similar to the one he had there in 2001, arranged through a temporary employment agency called Accountants Inc., according to a timecard found in his trash. Officials at the cosmetics company refused to comment.

In 2006, Mr. Shahzad took a job as a junior financial analyst at Affinion Group in Norwalk, a financial marketing services company. Michael Bush, the company’s director of public relations, said Mr. Shahzad resigned in mid-2009; government officials said he was unemployed and bankrupt by the time of his arrest.

After his marriage, to Huma Mian, he petitioned the immigration agency in 2004 to change his status; he wanted to become a permanent resident, another step on the path to citizenship.

Ms. Mian had just graduated from the University of Colorado at Boulder with a business degree, according to Bronson Hilliard, a university spokesman. She lived in dormitories and in family housing, sharing her quarters with a sister or a cousin, Mr. Hilliard said.

Her parents lived in the Denver suburb of Aurora. A neighbor in their condominium complex, Johnny Wright, remembered that her new husband had visited the family only once before she joined him.

“He seemed educated,” Mr. Wright said. “Didn’t make a lot of conversation.”

And, finally, a particularly well-reasoned reflection on Faisal Shahzad and what his case means to his adopted country; from Steve Coll in The New Yorker:

Providing an accurate e-mail address to the seller of a vehicle you intend to use as a murder weapon is the sort of mistake that might get a person’s membership card pulled down at the terrorist union hall. No doubt Faisal Shahzad, the man arrested in the Times Square car bomb case, is having a bad day. It will probably get worse if he spends time in his holding cell reflecting on the trail of breadcrumbs he apparently left behind while planning what the evidence available so far suggests was the only act of violence committed during his young life as a U.S. citizen. If not for that e-mail address, Shahzad might already have stepped off an airplane in Karachi, ready to melt away into Pakistan.

Terrorists are adaptive, self-correcting, and cunning—except when they aren’t. For all of his alleged error-making as an individual, however, Shahzad’s case may actually reflect on how Pakistan-based jihadi groups have learned to protect themselves. According to news reports, Shahzad spent several months in Pakistan before returning to the United States. This would make him one of at least half a dozen U.S. citizens or residents to travel to Pakistan as alleged volunteers during the last several years.

Last week, before the Times Square incident, I was talking with a former U.S. intelligence officer who worked extensively on jihadi cases during several overseas tours. He said that when a singleton of Shahzad’s profile—especially a U.S. citizen—turns up in a place like Peshawar, local jihadi groups are much more likely to assess him as a probable U.S. spy than as a genuine volunteer. At best, the jihadi groups might conclude that a particular U.S.-originated individual’s case is uncertain. They might then encourage the person to go home and carry out an attack—without giving him any training or access to higher-up specialists that might compromise their local operations. They would see such a U.S.-based volunteer as a “freebie,” the former officer said—if he returns home to attack, great, but if he merely goes off to report back to his C.I.A. case officer, no harm done.

Whatever the narrative behind Shahzad’s case turns out to be, we can take solace that we will hear it in a court of law. Amidst the country’s often self-defeating search for a justice system to address terrorism, his is not a particularly hard case—a U.S. citizen arrested on U.S. soil for a crime against Americans carried out in New York. We can nonetheless look forward to “The Daily Show” clips showing cable television anchors railing about the Obama Administration’s failure to recognize him as a warrior. Fortunately, like one of those Eleven O’clock News bank robbers who tries to rob an A.T.M., only to topple it over on himself, Shahzad’s case may help to illuminate a truth larger than himself: Terrorists are criminals, and the great majority of criminals are prosaic.

137 Comments on “Who Is Faisal Shahzad?”

  1. May 5th, 2010 12:37 am

    Some comments from the ATP Facebook Page:

    - “first of all thank god no one hurts but just for such stupid guys we are loosing our creditability shame on him”
    - “Just Look at his face. Does he looks like Terrorists? Shame on Paki media and politicians who confess all without evidence but with their heads down. . . . . . .”
    - “Accept your people doing this in Pakistan and outside Pakistan. Angraiz Nahi Aatay Suicide Bombing Karnay ……… Ye Taliban He Unse Paisay Lekar Kaam Kartay Hain.”

  2. ASAD says:
    May 5th, 2010 12:38 am

    What a pathetic person who would try to kill innocent people. If in fact he is guilty he should be given the maximum punishment.

  3. Asghar says:
    May 5th, 2010 12:42 am

    Bhai pehlay Pakistani hoona aasan tha, kay aap nay yeh gunah bhi sar lay liya. Sharam karo!

  4. Saira says:
    May 5th, 2010 12:55 am

    This is time for some serious introspection. We as a community need to shun extremism in all its forms without making any excuses. Killing of innocent people can never be justified yet the drawing room conversations I hear always try to soften the intensity of the crime by preceding it with qualifying statements.

  5. HMD says:
    May 5th, 2010 1:00 am

    Well said Adil.
    Fortunately for everyone, no one was hurt and this idiot was caught. But we need to ponder at how people such as this relatively well-educated guy tried to blow stuff up, and no one in his family and friends did anything to stop him. It certainly took him some time to figure out what he wanted to do; there must have been discussions, some planning, travel arrangements to FATA etc. — red-flags that would have been noticeable. It is unfortunate that no one stopped this from happening.

  6. Younis says:
    May 5th, 2010 1:03 am

    Pakistanis in America are very different from those n Europe and UK even despite this. We need to remain that way and that means that we as a community have to be more vigilant ourselves against such wacko cases.

  7. Shamsher says:
    May 5th, 2010 1:04 am

    He brings shame and dishonor to Pakistan and the rest of us. I wish him the severest punishment. People like him destroy the hard work done by the community in painstakingly rebuilding its image and trust in the US. What did he achieve by this action? Dishonor for his country of birth, and increased suspicion of all Pakistanis the world over. In a twisted way he did succeed in his mission in creating destruction, but sadly for the majority of innocent Pakistanis.

  8. Jahanzaib says:
    May 5th, 2010 1:05 am

    Adil najam saahib,

    Mujhay apka blog parh k laga hai k jaisay aap chah rahay hon k kisi tarah Faisal Shehzaad ko mujrim prove kr doon…. mujhay pta hai meri ye comment 10 minutes baad delete hojaygi..but u should first wait for the whole story to be revealed. Writing this post at this time and giving your own result on Faisal Shahzad, you have just fired in the air.

  9. Jahanzaib says:
    May 5th, 2010 1:08 am

    Aapko aik point zehan main rakhna chahiye…
    Uskay cousin ne kaha k Fasial shaadi main shirkat k liye aaya tha…pta nahi kab wapis chala gya…
    Kaheen aisa to nahi k Aaffia Sidiqui ki tarah ek aur beta America ko sell kr dia gya hai??

  10. Suleman says:
    May 5th, 2010 1:27 am

    This is a classic case of what PK is becoming we are giving birth to our young generation to be demented and distorted about Islam and hence resort to hatred and terrorism.

    Jahenzeb you writing in urdu doesn”t really encrypt your opinion from anyone, if someone wishes to know your comments there are plenty who can translate.

    No one is jumping to conclusions, whether he has a face of terrorist or not the fact that he felt and got this far shows regardless of education, family background , the guy is misled and he is not the only one, we have plenty more like him in our Pakistan and elsewhere in the world not only Pakistan. The new threat is the lost soul and lack of understanding and respect for human life and not brining political, religious differences to a point where you will act in a violent way.

    There is no excuse of this moron to get an SUV with ammo and show up in Times Square regardless , he is a moron, think about it , from an objective /third person stand point, if youngsters of any nationality and religion can come to this, wouldn’t you mistrust or question others in the same pool. Of course you would, it does cause a disservice as Pakistani Americans, but that is the sad reality.

    I think the message here for all not just Pakistanis is Terrorism can not be fought by TSA, no fly zones etc, but rather trying to help educate and address the misguidance or lack of it in socieities such as Pakistan where we have wealth and corruption, but mullahs and politicians use religion to stir people and upcoming generations in the wrong light.

    Pathetic and sad. That is the new threat a brain washed or misguided up coming Taliban with no disguise how do you deter him from entering our home whether that be USA or anywhere.

    That is a problem we all should work to address in our young.

  11. Saira says:
    May 5th, 2010 1:28 am

    Denials and conspiracy theories is what I come across in in many a informal conversations. The blame has to be deflected or at least the acceptance needs to be delayed. We live in denial, shunning responsibility even when extremism manifests itself blatantly amongst our midsts.

    Today was a case in point, while discussing this unfortunate development, a fellow Pakistani colleague remarked, “its funny how this happened on the same day Kasab was going to be sentenced, something smells fishy ”

    We cannot correct what we cannot accept.

  12. Chander says:
    May 5th, 2010 1:32 am

    US is a powerful country and can starve Pakistan to death,that’s the reason ur leaders go overboard to help US.If Pakistan really wants to eradicate terrorists why dontu hand over the terrorists ring leaders who are on India’s terror list.Ur government has double standards.They are scared that US will block all the aid & weapons.You guys use the weapon and aid iven by the US to sponsor terror in India.Every terrorist act around the world has Pakistani hand involved directly and indirectly.Mr Jinnah will be turning in his grave.This is certainly what he never dreamed for Pakistan.

  13. SZ says:
    May 5th, 2010 1:40 am

    Chander ignorance can be a dangerous thing.

    You commented, ” Every terrorist act around the world has Pakistani hand involved directly and indirectly”

    Please have a look.

    http://www.englishbaby.com/forum/LifeTalk/thread/372446

  14. Farooq says:
    May 5th, 2010 2:09 am

    Few of my friends have been getting spam messages related to him. so much for facebook privacy.

  15. Singh says:
    May 5th, 2010 2:20 am

    What is surprising in this? A Pakistani doing what he is best at…That’s it !!!!

  16. Farm Boy! says:
    May 5th, 2010 2:35 am

    For readers at Facebook & here who innocently out of ignorance & lack of knowledge blame outside forces & confused a bit abt the origin of Talibans & extremists check the following link. the source of em all.
    http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/the-newspaper/front-page/19-deobandi-leadership-shies-away-from-condemning-suicide-bombings-250-hh-11

  17. Farm Boy! says:
    May 5th, 2010 2:45 am

    Singh! do some introspection on ur history!, just go back to back 2o paces in the 80′s, the Golden temple incident & the President Indira Gandhi! & thats what your good at.

    Blame games dont do any good, there are far too many Pakistani condemning these acts & suffering from them, than anyone else.

  18. Griffin says:
    May 5th, 2010 3:18 am

    I just do not find the story believable. I think we are in for a surprise of some sort. Too many things do not add up. I am sure he did this, but why is he cooperating so much. And there is no sign of a religious motivation. I agree with others that we should look at other motivations too, like losing his job, his family relations, house foreclosure, etc.

  19. Umar Shah says:
    May 5th, 2010 3:23 am

    Where we are headed is represented by the confused rhetoric of our younger generation on facebook. Its also evident in some of the comments on this post. It’s sad. We fail to self reflect, we’ve failed Jinnah and we do that with extreme prejudice. The nation he wanted is nowhere to be found. We have become a nation of paranoid, frustrated and bitter people, blaming everything on others and circumstances and not taking responsibility for anything. What kind of a sick person who has been identified by the person who sold him the car would plan such a devious and evil plot -killing people who have done no harm to him? Why does the average Pakistani fail to see that? If this is all a lie, what about the countless lives lost in the locally cooked turmoil that is today known as Pakistan? When and how can we be stopped from self-destruction?

  20. Jahanzaib says:
    May 5th, 2010 3:42 am

    Singh just showed the traditional hate in just one sentence.

  21. nausheen fatima says:
    May 5th, 2010 3:44 am

    Seriously the american judiciary is all screwed up…when Joseph Andrew crashed a plane in a building in Austin, he was just an American who was paranoid but not a terrorist…he couldn’t have anything to do with any terrorist organizations…but when it’s a Muslim, any pakistani or syrian or anyone..he has links with Al-Qaeda, automatically. You’d see sentences like “A Pakistani official said Mr. Shahzad might have had affiliations with Ilyas Kashmiri, a militant linked to Al Qaeda who was formerly associated with Lashkar-e-Taiba, an anti-India militant group once nurtured by the Pakistani state.” now who is this pakistani official…no name, nothing. And he said “he might have”. And the media does the rest…bombards the public with key words like..Al-Qaeda, jihadi, taliban and so on and so forth. Nobody would come forward and ask did u get some solid evidence my friend? seriously it’s high time we come out of the trance of the media and look for the truth ourselves.

  22. Jahanzaib says:
    May 5th, 2010 3:48 am

    Absolutely Right Nausheen Sister.

  23. ali hamdani says:
    May 5th, 2010 4:17 am

    @farm boy. Well said. Pakistanis all around the world are ashamed of this man fasal shahzad. He was brian washed. Luckily it was not well planned or well executed. We all should co operate in this investigation. I wonder if the attack was successful Pakistan would have many problems in its hands.

  24. Amna Zaman says:
    May 5th, 2010 4:20 am

    Fasal shazad has put Pakistan in a criticial position now. As soon as the relation between the two countries was getting better, the problem has again arised. Just imagine the pain the Pakistanis in NY and USA will have to face now because of this terrorist.

  25. Singh says:
    May 5th, 2010 4:34 am

    This is Mike from LA. I have only one question. If u hate my country so much, why on earth do u come here? By the way, there is nothing wrong with Singh’s comments…

    Mike, LA

  26. wasiq says:
    May 5th, 2010 4:42 am

    Before opening ATP this morning, I was hoping to see something about Faisal Shahzad and right I was! Once again, ATP correctly anticipated the mind and mood its readers with perfect timing.

  27. Zainab Ali says:
    May 5th, 2010 4:47 am

    It is important not to relate terrorists with a particular country or religion; these evil minded people have no conscience and are only working to destroy the peace of the world.

  28. Tanzeel says:
    May 5th, 2010 5:00 am

    yet another Pakistani origin.

  29. libertarian says:
    May 5th, 2010 6:00 am

    Does his attempt to murder truly gall you? Or are you silently disappointed he did not succeed and strike one against “evil Amreeka”? Condemning him as human scum is just words – talk’s cheap. Show us with some action how truly disgusted you are.

  30. Obaid1 says:
    May 5th, 2010 6:30 am

    “This is Mike from LA. I have only one question. If u hate my country so much, why on earth do u come here? By the way, there is nothing wrong with Singh’s comments…

    Mike, LA”

    How else can one blow a bomb inside US if they don’t come to the US? :)

  31. May 5th, 2010 7:23 am

    I have nothing to say except that your article about Faisal Shahzad is awesome.

  32. SZ says:
    May 5th, 2010 7:42 am

    Libertarian,

    If you have chosen not to see all the efforts that Pakistan has already done on this front then our words will not make much of a difference. Day in and day out Pakistanis perish as a direct result of the US war on Taliban. Pakistan could have chosen to stay out of it. Scores of our security personnel have been killed battling these scum bags. You are right talk is cheap. Because that is exactly what you dish out while ignoring the facts.

    There are two people who one can never convince because they have chosen not to listen:

    1) A closeted Indian masquerading as a concerned neighbor while gloating at the situation

    2) A Faux fed ultra right nut job.

    You pick your category.

  33. Vinnie says:
    May 5th, 2010 8:21 am

    All That I wanted to know about him and even much more, is illustrated in your article. Great !

    I am however astonished that he was so educated and highly skilled and would knew about all the problems faced by the Muslims due to these Talibans and still became their partner to add to our miseries. Thats Condemnable. Thats Shameful.

    Who (Pakistani) would now be able to have an immigration to any country. That means no one is trust worthy !!

  34. Roxio says:
    May 5th, 2010 8:36 am

    Adil,even if the terror act was not actually carried out,law enforcement agencies and the US media are and will take it as if it actually happened.There seems no difference between not happened and did happen.

    Secondly,consider every time he is mentioned,the word ‘Pakistani’ is repeated ad nauseum.Now this is going to have serious consequences on the large,hard-working and law abiding Pakistani community in the US.Everyone everywhere will come into focus and anyone travelling to Pakistan,even to spend time with his/her family will come into focus and to face tough questions from immigration officers when they return.

    Sadly,we do not have a strong lobby who could persuade the media not to malign the whole community.

  35. A says:
    May 5th, 2010 8:39 am

    Appalled at how people are turning into a weak lobbying issue. We have been involved in every mess related to terror any where in the world. We brew the infrastructure that became biggest exporter of terror from Africa to North America and from Europe to East Asia.
    Accept reality facing you and deal with it rather than burying your head in the sand.

  36. Nadeem Ahsan says:
    May 5th, 2010 9:05 am

    Let’s wait for the investigation to be completed before jumping to conclusions. He is innocent until proven guilty by a court pf law. I still cannot believe that a dashing looking, well groomed, MBA educated, Wall Street employed, ‘Ray ban’ wearing young Pakistani could have done this on his own accord. There is more to this than meets the eye. How does a Former Air Vice Marshal not know what his son is up to in the bad lands of Waziristan after he spends 5 months in Pakistan? Good question, but will we ever have an answer?

  37. Ahmed says:
    May 5th, 2010 9:07 am

    I think its all very fishy, and most of the people in my country are thinking the same.

    1. Why would a person belonging to a liberal village and back ground make such a turn over?

    2. Why the hell would he leave his keys and other related stuff in the car? Maybe he thought that the explosion would destroy everything, but why take the risk of being identified?

    3. If he got a 5 month training, why was he not able to make a proper working bomb?

    4. How did he board the plane when his name was on the No Fly list?

    5. Why has EMIRATES refused to comment and stated only that ‘all security measures were taken’ ?

    6. Why EMIRATES has not been charged with anything yet, provided it was their fault ?

    7. What about the theory that it was NYPD (not FBI) that stopped the plane from taking off ?

    8. Did he not know that he would be caught in Pakistan? Even if he goes back, Pakistani government will send him back (like many others who were not even found guilty later) so they can recover some money from the US?

    9. Whats his relation to the ‘presumed dead’ Baitullah Mehsud video, which indicated a threat to conduct attacks inside the US? I think there is no official report or any official name of any Pakistani intelligence officer that stated Mehsud is alive? Why media is generating hype over statements that have not been declared authentic?

    10. Whats the relation between his financial difficulties and this event? Many people in Pakistan are saying that he was paid by the US, so more hatred and security issues can be created for the Muslim community.

    11. His family members and some friends have been arrested in Pakistan. It is quite a normal procedure where many people would be taken in for investigation without any charges. Why the US media is generating hype about these 8 arrests in Pakistan and establishing links without any evidence found yet?

    12. ”I was expecting you. Are you NYPD or FBI?” This was the statement of Faisal when he was arrested. Why he was optimistic of being arrested ?????

  38. Allen says:
    May 5th, 2010 9:12 am

    CNN is right when it says that “Threat of Muslim-American terrorism in U.S. exaggerated”. Of therrorist attacks on US soil from 1980 to 2005, 6% were Muslim extremists and 94% were NOT. In fact, 7% were Jewish extremists.

    http://edition.cnn.com/2010/US/01/06/muslim.radicalization.study/
    http://www.englishbaby.com/forum/LifeTalk/thread/372446

  39. Andrew D. says:
    May 5th, 2010 9:23 am

    Here is another crazy man going crazy like the guy who rammed a plane at his office building and I suspect what we will find is another guy losing his job and home in this damned financial crisis and then going bezerk

    Bad that it was a Pakistani because now all other poor Pakistanis will be put under pressure and the crazies on Fox etc. will have anotehr thing to drum up.

  40. Aadeesh says:
    May 5th, 2010 9:28 am

    Another sad story from South Asia. Why is it that we South Asians are so violent when we get angry. The killings in Sri Lanka, the violent insrgency in Nepal, the murder of leaders in Bangladesh, the genocide in Gujrat in India and terrorist killings of both Indira Gandhi and Rajiv Gandhi, and the horrible span of suicide bombings in Pakistan. All over the place it is the same story of violence, in the name of different Gods and different causes. But the South Asian streak seems to be a violent one!

  41. Zecchetti says:
    May 5th, 2010 9:37 am

    Is he not innocent until proven guilty? But no, the media has already exposed him and framed him as guilty. And when a suspect has charges dropped against him, it appears in the side columns as a small news piece, if at all.

    Injustice on the part of the media.

  42. DARWEESH says:
    May 5th, 2010 9:51 am

    WE should not be emtional on this case as We,Pakistanis are facing it both ways ,negative-positive, but as a nation we all know wrong things are wrong if actualy done by someone.
    In this case just charges are framed,right or wrong ,let court see to it.
    But one thing is clear ,its not a simple case,either he did it or terrorists behalf or is just trapped by anti -Pakistan lobby.
    American Pakistanis should try to help US govt find out the real truth.
    Just read this in today,s Times of India ” Squaring off in US : Bharara vs Pakistani Americans”———He is Indian and one of Us Federal Attornies,read it yourself

  43. Haroon says:
    May 5th, 2010 10:02 am

    @Zecchetti. No, you are wrong.
    The media is constantly referring to him as “accused” as does this post. Yes, you are accused until proven guilty and that is exactly how this is talked about. That does not mean you don’t talk about it, that means you figure out through a process of justice whether he did this or not. That is what is happening in the courts.

    The only people in the world who punish you without proper trial are the Taliban types and other idiots who support them. And of course, the terrorists who think blowing up innocent people is somehow justice itself.

  44. ali says:
    May 5th, 2010 10:17 am

    comments here are shameful. looks like most people do not understand the war that is being fought against pakistan on all fronts. like faisal, they can pick you up as well from your home and accuse you of anything. can’t believe how much brainwashed so-called muslims are.

  45. Sandy says:
    May 5th, 2010 10:29 am

    Yet another Pakistani, it is not even surprising at all. By the way, i havent heard any conspiracy theories yet. Come on ppl, wasnt this a CIA/RAW/MOSSAD conspiracy to defame the land of pure.

  46. Bangash says:
    May 5th, 2010 10:33 am

    Faisal Shahzad is a terrorist and a traitor. Pakistanis just can’t catch a break!!!!…….on second though the underwear bomber had no links to Pakistan and the Fort Hood shooter didn’t have any links either so I guess it was Pakistanis turn ! lol.

  47. kunal says:
    May 5th, 2010 11:57 am

    hahaha…..another made in pakistan terrorist .pakistan should claim for patent of manufacturing terrorist.problem started with basic ideology of creation of pakistan on religious basis and now it has turned in monster…….

  48. Rana says:
    May 5th, 2010 11:57 am

    I guess why so many Indians feel compelled to spew hate. I guess thy are programmed to :-)

    What I find funny is how they also feel they have to change and hide their names when they spew this hate.. e.g. “Sandeep Bansal” becomes “Sandy.” Cute.

    Here’s very friendly advice, dear Indian friends. Don’t let your hate eat on you. It never leads to good. We did that, and we have suffered. Nothing good ever comes out of it. Its even worse when you spread hate thinking you are too smart for it ever to return to you. The hate you spread always comes back. And usually with interest.

  49. Rana says:
    May 5th, 2010 12:00 pm

    Faisal Shahzad is a criminal, plain and simple; and not a very smart one either. As the should be punished to the full extent exactly like anyone else doing this would have been. “Psychological” and “mental” issues or losing job or whatever or this not actually working has nothing to do with it. Just as the idiot who rammed his plane into an office building was a criminal, so is Shahzad and he should be dealt with exactly the same way and both to the full extent for terrorizing people.

  50. Rana says:
    May 5th, 2010 12:04 pm

    Dear Kunal, I don’t mind what you say about Paksitan, that is your business and your bias. But as a human being I am terribly offended that you find the possible killing of innocent people in Time Square New York funny and something to laugh and “ha ha” about.

    Shame on you, Kunal, you are bringing disrespect to all indians and so many great Indian humanists by suggesting that the death of innocent Americans would be somehow funny. I know you Indians want to rule the world, but enjoying the possible killing of Americans, why do you Indians find that funny?

    Boggles the mind, just how hateful you Indians can be.

  51. Meengla says:
    May 5th, 2010 12:10 pm

    I will comment on this topic later.

    But right now, I want to float the idea of a Pakistani-American mass gathering in an American city where there is an emphatic rejection of this guy Faisal Shahzad and people like him regardless of their place of origin and without linking to any other global events. Perhaps Pakistaniat can arrange this?

    If there is such a meeting then I will take time off work and be there!

  52. Allison Abrams says:
    May 5th, 2010 12:16 pm

    As a New Yorker I am extremely angry at this crazy guy putting lives of innocent people at risk like this and I share the same feelings as many others here and in this blog. I am so happy that the bomb failed and also happy to see such great support for New York and condemnation for this idiot from Pakistanis. Here and also at my office and my apartment building, that support is great and makes one feel good that our humanity is greater than everything else. Idiots are everywhere (we have a few too) but as long as we all recognize what is wrong we can create a better world. Praying for peace everywhere.

  53. Farrukh says:
    May 5th, 2010 12:20 pm

    Adil asks the right question: Who is Faisal Shahzad?

    As a Pakistani-American my answer is clear: He is not me. He is not us.

  54. May 5th, 2010 12:47 pm

    The attempted bombing of New York’s Times Square over the past weekend underscores the urgency of our support for the democracy movement in Pakistan. Years of double-dealing by dictatorships that sympathized with jihadi ideology and used militant groups as proxy fighters resulted in an expansive network of terrorists inside the country. The democratic government, elected in 2008, has been working closely with the US to eliminate these groups.

    Since turning its sights on the terrorist networks that had been let to grow under military dictatorships, Pakistan has suffered regular and devastating attacks. Over the past two years, thousands of Pakistanis have been killed by militants. The Taliban has vowed to increase attacks on both the democratic government in Pakistan as well as targets in the United States.

    As police analyze evidence in the New York bombing attempt, a picture has begun to emerge of Taliban militants attempting to expand their reach to threaten Americans as well as Pakistanis.

    Pakistan’s democratic government, long a key-ally in the war on terrorism, has vowed its full cooperation with the US in tracking down and bringing to justice those responsible for the attempted attack.

    “We will cooperate with the United States in identifying this individual and bringing him to justice,” Interior Minister Rehman Malik told Reuters.

    “Pakistani foreign ministry spokesman Abdul Basit said they were awaiting details from the US authorities about Faisal.
    Meanwhile, a senior Pakistani government official said US ambassador to Islamabad Anne Patterson held talks with Pakistani Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi.

    “There has been initial discussion when the US ambassador met our foreign minister,” said the official.

    “Pakistan and the US have ongoing, robust cooperation on counter-terrorism. If required, we will extend fullest cooperation to US,” the official added.

    “Pakistan is a key ally of the United States and has arrested hundreds of al-Qaeda operatives and handed over many of them to the United States after it signed up to the US-led war on terrorism after the September 11 attacks on the United States in 2001.

    News agencies are reporting that law enforcement in Pakistan has arrested several people who may be connected to or have information about the attempted bombing.

    The Taliban, al Qaeda, and other militant groups have demonstrated that they are working to expand their reach across the globe by working in coordination with one another. In doing so, they have managed to amplify the impact of what are actually small groups of dedicated terrorists. To defeat this menace, we must support and coordinate with other pro-democracy movements and governments – especially those on the front lines of the war on terror.

    http://tinyurl.com/2aeho94

  55. SZ says:
    May 5th, 2010 12:55 pm

    Its disheartening to note the number of Indians who have commented on this thread just to rub some salt in our wounds. Concern is always appreciated as genuine partnerships are needed to combat this menace. But comments that seem to ridicule and laugh at this terrible episode are indeed a great disservice to the millions of sane level headed Indians out there.

  56. Quratulain Saeed says:
    May 5th, 2010 1:06 pm

    Generalizations!!! that is the problem today. One idiot goes out and does this and the rest of the world has to suffer. When we generalize or bucket all muslims together or all indians together based on what one person says or does, we are contributing to the problem, not solving it.

  57. Adnan Siddiqi says:
    May 5th, 2010 1:32 pm

    @Nausheen Fatima: This is Islamophobia that West has to link up every thing with Islam. The example you gave and Okloham Bombings were not associated with any religion because Western Liberals do not live in state of denial like ours who have sold every thing for sake of few dollars and defame Islam whenever they get the chance.

    @Dear Kunal: You really made me happy. Indians like you always make my point strong that Indians can never accept Pakistan and those resident liberals who re dying for *patching up* b/w India and Pakistan are yet not able to face the harsh realities.

    BTW, are you saying we pro that we produced “Madhuri Gupta” as wel who was actually sent to spy for Pakistan but things got reversed?

  58. Raj says:
    May 5th, 2010 1:51 pm

    It is amusing to see self-pitying, chest beating of paks here. It is hilarious to hear terrorist sponsors talking about “hatred”.

    From an Indian perspective, this is a welcome icident.
    Let us imagine a hypothetical situation. Let’s imagine pakistan army successfully wages terrorism on civilians only inside India (as it has been for > 2 decades now), and there is no blow back effect, i.e no terrorism inside pakistan or inside its “allies”.

    The “allies” will be smugly looking the other way, and supply enormous funds and gadgets to pakistan army/ISI….to continue its terrorism inside India.

    As some one from India, who lived through pakistan sponsored terrorism, this is all good news. Finally the smug “allies”, the enablers and sustainers of pakistani terrorism are tasting terrorism medicine.

    Actually the above is not a hypothetical situation, but a real situation faced by India until very recently.

    Welcome news for India, that paksitani terrorism is an international problem and not just an indian problem.

  59. Rana says:
    May 5th, 2010 1:58 pm

    I cannot believe what I see India commenter Raj saying. Let me quote: “From an Indian perspective, this is a welcome icident.”

    Wow. Why is India so happy when terrorism is attempted in USA. Is your hatred for Pakistanis so great that you would “welcome” the death of innocent humans from whatever country, certainly Americans but in NYC they will be from all over the world, including India itself? Wow, Indians want Americans to die? Why would you want that Raj? What a terrible thing to say? I am amazed at the callousness of Indian commenters here. Amused at why so many of them want to comment on this site and amazed at their gloating and this Indian attitude of wanting Americans to die but to have someone else do the killing.

    As a Pakistani, I do not care whether this guy was a Pakistani or not. He is a terrorist and should be punished. If these Indians want to show their support for him and say how much they “welcome” the killing of Americans, all I can say is that you should be ashamed of yourself!

  60. Raj says:
    May 5th, 2010 2:41 pm

    Nice try. Keep trying. “Freedom-loving”, “peace-loving” pak.LOL!

    Good the attempt fizzled out. The good outcome is a well deserved scrutiny of you. Special lines at the air port. Ha.

  61. Aamir Ali says:
    May 5th, 2010 2:55 pm

    Meengla’s suggestion of a Pakistani American gathering in New York and condemnation of terrorism is an excellent idea and is what Americans are looking for as well. The alternative is lingering suspicion among Americans for Pakistanis.

  62. H says:
    May 5th, 2010 3:20 pm

    Raj,

    Your skin color is my concern. Please remember to yell out you are from India before the punch lands on your face as someone mistakes you for being a Pakistani. Oh I am going to enjoy the glares you get, the dirty looks, perhaps the odd profiling as well before you open your dirty mouth to spit out that crappy accent. At which point of course they would be too busy laughing.

  63. R Q says:
    May 5th, 2010 3:32 pm

    You know that the guy in picture is innocent? He has similar name and victim of ‘facebook journalism’!

    http://www.csmonitor.com/Innovation/Horizons/2010/0504/Faisal-Shahzad-Facebook-mixup-highlights-hazards-of-Web-journalism

  64. Asim says:
    May 5th, 2010 3:57 pm

    Unfortunately, I find most of the “Indians’” hateful comments on this post to be true….unless someone can provide recent examples to prove them wrong. In the meantime, my suggestion is to suck up our ego and admit that we as a nation we are terrible, we are basically Loosers. Be honest, is it not true that Pakistanis normally dont like other Pakistanis unless they are from the same town, ethnicity etc.

    So why does it matter when non-Pakistanis make hateful comments at us?

    I hope one of these slaps from “Indians” or other non-Pakistanis or even Hateful Pakistanis will wake one of us and that person will lead us out of this mess…Ameen!

  65. Indian Ashamed says:
    May 5th, 2010 3:59 pm

    As an Indian, let me please apologize for the gleeful behavior and the gloating attitude of some of my Indian compatriots in their comments here. As someone said earlier, yes, you can find idiots everywhere; we have them in India too.

    I am shamed by these comments and want to assure you these these are only a few bad apples who think like this.

  66. libertarian says:
    May 5th, 2010 4:09 pm

    SZ: Concern is always appreciated as genuine partnerships are needed to combat this menace.

    Get a grip SZ. This menace was created by the State of Pakistan with special baby-sitting by the CIA. You guys created this monster. These “genuine partnerships” last till the internal mayhem is temporarily quieted. Then it’s back to business as usual – aka Death by a Thousand Cuts against those dirty eastern kafirs.

    As for action: yes, denounce this idiot publicly and unequivocally. Fry him in the media. Fry him publicly. It’s not about him, but about the rest who get discriminated against because of his idiot behavior. Symbolism is important. After bomb blasts killed 50 (1/3rd were Muslim) in Mumbai a few years back, there were processions taken out through the city by largely Muslim organizations denouncing the act. There was never a hint of anti-Muslim vengeance after that. Can’t say the same about Bridgeport today.

    To your earlier question: both Indian (not closeted) and Faux right-wing whatever.

    Cheers.

  67. Meengla says:
    May 5th, 2010 4:41 pm

    I really think the time to demonstrate against terrorism is now. Let there be a clear voice. This will not be the voice of only the blogspace but also the voice of the thousands of Pakistanis soldiers and civilians who have been maimed and killed in Pakistan by the likes of the Talibans and Al-Qaida terrorists over the past few years.

  68. Salman says:
    May 5th, 2010 4:49 pm

    @Adil Najam:

    its almost a decade of this mess and the best we’ve come up with is use deodorant instead of really cleaning ourselves..

    y should anybody give us respect ..

    the occasional stink would come out and this will keep on going.. and I haven’t ever heard from the Pakistani community outside Pakistan against our inherently-hate-prone national policies that we hold more sacred than even religious scripture..

    no matter how many of us are “giving” and “philanthropic” or whatever .. the “fanatics” here are “giving” and “philanthropic” too.. might actually be MORE than the rest of us..

    if we tend to IGNORE our pro-hatred sacred national policies.. tending to secretly enjoy keeping the dogs in our control.. we don’t really deserve respect..

    the Taliban are much more worthy of respect than the WHOLE of the rest of us.. they are who they are and they don’t deny it..

    as a nation.. yes we deserve pity given current circumstances.. or at best charity.. but NOT respect..

  69. Kaif S says:
    May 5th, 2010 5:38 pm

    This idiot maligns the Pakistani community by attempting to hurt innocent Americans and prove some warped point.

    Let’s do the opposite! Let hundreds of us gather together in NYC publicly (attracting the media also), to do something to *help* innocent Americans whom we do not know… such as help fix up some elderly’s broken houses in poor neighborhoods, or prepare dishes for a homeless kitchen (good, hearty Pakistani dishes… but not too much spice!).

    I cannot think of a better form of counter-protest. Action *for* the innocent of our adopted homeland.

    Comments, anyone? Can anyone who live in New York area organize this to make it happen?

  70. Asim says:
    May 5th, 2010 5:49 pm

    I just remember a show on Larry King in 90′s where a man said that Pakistani’s can even sell their mom for only a single dollar. At that time, I was really enraged and want to kick that person’s a**. But after this incident, somehow, unwantedly Im convinced,may be he was right.

    What this Bl**** Shahzad has done would be mere for the sake of money and that’s all. I can’t believe that how a married, father of two, highly educated person can think of doing it and bringing defame to his country. May be he would have be visiting Sin city (L.V), and to earn bundle of money, he finds this way.

  71. banjara286 says:
    May 5th, 2010 6:19 pm

    i support meengla’s suggestion of a rally by pak-americans to denounce such terrorism.

  72. sayyad uH says:
    May 5th, 2010 6:47 pm

    @kaif- your idea is like a diamond in the dust. can the rest of you agree with the reasoning below? if so, say it loud and let’s ACT!!

    1) the comment cycle never changes. event occurs (blast, or attempt). media explodes. atp posts a response. sensible pakistanis express outrage and hurt. conspiracy loons and gloating indians crawl out of the cracks. sensible pakistanis berate conspiracy loons and gloating indians. somewhere in this there is a tiny mention of clear public action, which never gets anywhere. eventually the dust settles until the next event

    2) it is no longer enough to condemn and be trapped in the above cycle. we must ACT, just like our soldiers are. but in a different way: WE MUST BE THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF TERRORISTS. so:

    3) what is the exact opposite of a terrorist? no, not one who prays for peace. not even one who has never raised a finger or word in violence. neither of those.

    here, my fellow pakistanis, is the exact opposite of the terrorist:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdul_Sattar_Edhi

    4) you see: a terrorist by definition inflicts fear and death to innocent people he doesn’t even know, and does it for all the world to see. what is the opposite of this? one who pours life and love to innocent people he doesn’t even know, and does it for all the world to see.

    5) it is clear that some pakistanis are terrorists and are highly motivated to act, to prove their point. therefore, we must act and prove our opposite point, as proud pakistanis, and do it publicly.

    6) kaif’s suggestion does just that. brilliant, simple, powerful. let us perform a day of lifegiving work for innocent americans for all to see. and just like the taliban take ownership of their acts, let us afterwards say,

    “WE did this. WE are pakistani.”

    right on, kaif. now to the next step: who lives near or in new york and can organize this logistically? let ATP be the starting point for this.

  73. Asim says:
    May 5th, 2010 6:55 pm

    @ sayyad uH …………….. Slautes to you ………. you got the right solution in these terrible times …

    wonderful

  74. Asim says:
    May 5th, 2010 7:02 pm

    To all Indian writers here …………… Remember laughing and mocking on others on their turbulent times doesn’t make you king …………….. nature has a wonderful system ………. how you behave, you get the same somehow in some unknown ways ………. We were always with our neighbors in their difficult times and understand that these menace of terrorism really bring havoc to nations ………… The Mumbai attacks ……… the deadly bombings in Pakistani cities …………. this is all to condemn and now this sad thing in New York ……………. These evils has no nationality and they believe in nothing ………. so by laughing or mocking on particular nation or people makes you the same as …..

  75. Zecchetti says:
    May 5th, 2010 7:16 pm

    It’s shameful how many people (here on the comments thread) are quick to condemn this man and call him a “terrorist” and an “evil traitor” (before he has even been convicted) in order to appease the Indians and the Americans who may be reading this post.

    Shame on you cowards.

  76. Asim says:
    May 5th, 2010 8:36 pm

    Mr or Miss Zecchetti…the only honorable brave soul…if I may ask, what good have you done?

  77. Khairulbashar Siddiqui says:
    May 5th, 2010 10:36 pm

    Great write-up.
    Comments shows the problem in our community.
    If we fail as a good Human, we can never be good Muslim.

  78. Adnan Siddiqi says:
    May 5th, 2010 10:40 pm

    Just read in papers that Faisal Shahzad by All means is anti-religion like resident liberals. The Jang paper interviewed the people of his area and said that Faisal never ever went Masjid in his life nor he had any sympathy with religious people. Heck he was even against sacrifice of Animals and considered it brutal. NWFP considiers majority of Pathans who are secular. For instance ANP people. Faisal does not even have a beard either.

    @Zachetti: Those who are calling Faisal a terrorist are quite right. The only difference is that they are not saying complete word; the secular and liberal terrorist who missed the opportunity of creating destruction in NY. Even these noise makers know that the guy belongs to their own community and they are trying to divert the attention from reality. So let them make noise, helpless and weak people can only make noise. Like every past incident, they will hide in their bins after knowing reality. Enjoy the show.

  79. Eidee Man says:
    May 5th, 2010 10:49 pm

    Good write-up Adil; I agree with your sentiments.

    Since the past couple of days, whichever news website or channel I look at, his face is always front and center, and seeing it makes me extremely angry, at him for attempting to kill innocent people, and hurt, because of his association with our country.

  80. Celia says:
    May 5th, 2010 11:34 pm

    Prof. Najam, I am an occasional visitor to your blog. Having hard all the news about this idiot I thought I should check out the site and see what you had to say about this. As expected, I found your views on this sensible and thought out, and very reassuring. But then I started reading the comments and suddenly it struck me that what was surprising was that there seemed to b more Indian comments than Pakistani comments and I could not understand why. Also, why are the Indians leaving such petty and malicious comments, even going as far as saying that are happy that a terrorist plot was planned on New York. I cannot understand this. I remember being shocked when Mumbai was attacked, why are these Indians being happy at an attack on New York? I know enough Indians that I am sure these frustrated Indians leaving messages here are only a minority, but I think there is something deeper because at work today two of my Indian co-workers went on and on about how bad Pakistanis were to the point I and my other two friends (from Germany and Minnesota) started getting uncomfortable because they seemed more obsessed with proving Pakistanis bad than showing any empathy for what had happened. I understand that these two countries have their differences, but I thought the display this morning in my office and now reading these comments is really very disturbing. This attitude cannot be good for anyone.

    Anyhow, reading this I am more concerned about what happened in my office earlier today. I wish peaceful Pakistanis the best and thank you for your courage in standing up to these terrorists since the real killing and dying is happening in Pakistan and no country has suffered more to terrorists than ordinary Pakistanis.

  81. Aamir Ali says:
    May 5th, 2010 11:38 pm

    @Adnan Siddiqi

    What utter nonsense are you talking about ? People here are against terrorists, not religious Muslims. You might also notice the beard on this guy’s face, like Taliban, and the attempt to blow up a place, like the Taliban. Open your eyes and ears for 5 seconds, it will benefit you.

  82. Adnan Siddiqi says:
    May 5th, 2010 11:47 pm

    @ Aamir: Some ignorants here are trying their best to associate this incident with Talibans(who are religious right wingers) while in reality Shahzad is as anti religion extremist. Shahzad is quite anti-Jihadi, go and read papers about it.

    Do you ever read papers? Or for you, the guy hit the plane with Building few months back was also a Taliban?

  83. komal says:
    May 5th, 2010 11:58 pm

    I do not know nor care whether he is linked to Taliban or not or is religious or not. We oppose Taliban not because they are religious (I think I am religious myself but I despise TalibaN). We oppose them because they are murderers and terrorists. So is this guy (by his own confession now). If so, it does not matter whether he is religious or secular or whatever, that is never the point. Whether religious or not, if he is terrorizing then that is what we must oppose.

  84. Ravi says:
    May 6th, 2010 12:04 am

    Ignore the troll of some ignorant Indian (?) Talibans .
    A country that produced a Physics Nobel prize winner definitely doesn’t belong to the club of Somalia,Afganistan or Yemen.

  85. Jabbar says:
    May 6th, 2010 12:12 am

    Interesting. Dr. Najam, did you know that Express Tribune turned this blog into an op-ed: http://bit.ly/9O34TI

  86. Faisal says:
    May 6th, 2010 12:14 am

    yaar, iss kaminay nay tou meairay mulk ka aur mera apna naam matti meiN paleet kar diya.

  87. Joe BLow says:
    May 6th, 2010 12:49 am

    …but he could deeply mutilate the reputation and self-confidence of the Pakistani community in the United States.” – I think its is a bit too late for that. Not just in the US, all around the world Pakistanis are regarded as trouble makers/terroists. This is sad but unfortunately Pakistanis are continuing to proove their critics “are right”. What Pakistan needs is a long term plan focused on educating the children. Parents in Pakistan should be banned from having children unless and untill the parents can proove that they can afford to give each of their children an “education”.

  88. Adrian Hess says:
    May 6th, 2010 1:12 am

    From everything I can make of this, I think we will find out that this guy went bonkers because of the financial crisis and when he lost his job and his house went to foreclosure and that is what drove him to the edge. All the Fox and CNN guys are so caught up in the whole Taliban business that they are missing that part of the story entirely.

  89. Sridhar says:
    May 6th, 2010 2:33 am

    The incident involving Faisal Shahzad is bad news for Pakistani Americans in particular, but all immigrants in the US in general. First, he exposed the limits of what law enforcement and intelligence can do to prevent attacks on major population centers. It seems that open societies such as the US will continue to bear considerable risks for some time to come. And this of course affects all Americans, including all immigrants, who bear that risk. Second, if the US tightens its immigration policies and moves away from civil liberties, all of us who are immigrants in the country have the risk of being affected.

    Many commentators here have expressed anguish at Indian commentators’ presence on this thread and what they have said related to this issue. Perhaps some of the comments have been insensitive. However, what you may decry as as gloating is not that hard to understand. For decades, India and Indians have borne the brunt of officially sponsored terrorism from Pakistan. It would be disingenuous to get into an “I am ok, you are not” mode and pretend that Pakistan is the sole cause of this problem. Mistakes were surely committed within India, both by the Indian state and citizens in various capacities and at least some of the terrorism would have happened without patronage of the Pakistani state. However, it is also undeniable that the magnitude of the terrorist problem in India would have been small and it would have been short lived without that official patronage from Pakistan. For years, people died in India at the hands of terrorist organizations officially supported by the Pakistani Government, and that openly collected funds that ordinary Pakistani citizens willingly contributed to. I did not see any Pakistani coming forward to say that this was wrong, not until 911 and subsequent events forced their hands anyway. Even so, many people worried about the bad image it created about Pakistan and not that it was inherently wrong to support terrorists.

    Even today, there is denial of the continued official support to anti-India terrorist groups. For instance, somebody of Adil Najam’s stature and standing is not willing to call a spade a spade. I am disappointed that he pretends in this post as if the Pakistani state establishment’s support to the Lashkar-e-Tayyaba is a thing of the past, despite blatant evidence to the contrary. Everybody knows that no significant leader of any terrorist organization that is aimed against India (or Afghanistan) but does not threaten the Pakistani state will be touched or even reined in. And yet, people will pretend that it has nothing to do with the Pakistani state institutions and that these are non-state actors. The oft-cited comment is that Pakistanis have been targets of terrorism to a very great extent. That is true. But the organizations and individuals that threaten Pakistan are not the same as the ones that threaten India (or Afghanistan). And the latter continue to be nurtured even as Pakistan uses force to destroy the former. There are a few who speak out against it, but most who are in a position to do so do not.

    So it is understandable if Indians feel relieved that the world is seeing what they have seen for two decades or more. That the Pakistani state institutions, particularly its military are part of the problem if not the main cause of it. I cannot speak for all Indians, but I doubt that any of the commentators would be happy at the loss of any life in NY city or anywhere else. But they would be happy if the world comes around to the view that this issue needs to be dealt with at the root. Which is to reform the Pakistani military and its associated institutions. And importantly, that would be in the best interests of the Pakistani people too – though it is for them to decide what is good for them.

    Speaking for myself, it gives me no joy to see anybody else suffer due to this incident. Being gleeful at this is surely stupid and short-sighted even if one ignores the immorality of it. If the US swings towards the right and/or clamps down on legal immigrants, all of us, not just those of Pakistani origin would suffer. However, it is my view that while the Pakistani military is not the sole cause of the terrorism problem the world faces, it is certainly one of the bigger facilitators of it. Indirectly in some cases, and directly in others. And unless the institution is overhauled, we have no chance of solving the problem of terrorism around the world. Ultimately, only the Pakistani people can decide if this would be in their best interest, but I certainly believe it is.

  90. Jabbar says:
    May 6th, 2010 2:55 am

    @Sridhar, I am sorry despite your (very uncharacteristic, given other Indian comments) politeness I cannot make sense of your long comment. But I don’t see a point in debating this because India is irrelevant to this post… THIS IS ABOUT NEW YORK AND PAKISTAN, not sure where India or Indians get into this. Maybe you are right and TO INDIANS these arguments make sense, to the rest of us its just a diversion away from the real issue.

    But be that as it may, your deceptive tactics of trying to change the topic are really below the belt for anyone who lives in New York and really is disrespectful. What is the point of the Lashkar-i-Tayaba comment. The comment from Adil Najam does not mention it one way or other, let alone defend it. That quote is from the New York Times and clearly not a defense of the Lashkar. What you and your other friends from India are really saying is quite clear: stop worrying about what happened in New York and worry about us in India. Isn’t that a tad distasteful.

    P.S… to be fair, we also have people who apply the same diversinary tactics, always trying to change the topic to something else. For example, look up a person called Adnan Siddiqi who shows up here often to troll away just as you Indians are doing on these posts!

  91. Brandon says:
    May 6th, 2010 2:58 am

    I don’t understand all the things about your region, but it seems to me that every time one of these things happen the name of Kashmir comes up. I think we are barking up the wrong tree in Afghanistan and the real issue is solving Kashmir. I think the US shoudl force a solution to Kashmir without which these problem will never finish. Easiest and only answer really is to give people in Kashmir the choice to do what they want, hold a referendum and give them independence so that all this violence and these large armies can end. In keeping that problem for so long I think you Indians and Paksitanis are equally responsible for these attacks.

  92. Hafeez says:
    May 6th, 2010 3:03 am

    I do not care who he is or from where or what religion and how religious he is. If he did this then he should get maximum punishment for this. Plain and simple.

  93. P.S.A. says:
    May 6th, 2010 3:14 am

    Very nicely written, Sir. I appreciate your humanity and your clear statement of condemnation for this and all acts of terror everywhere. Your consistency in this is an inspiration.

  94. Pete says:
    May 6th, 2010 6:07 am

    Good he’s an amatuer terrorist. Otherwise, he would have killed and / or injured several people for sure! Pakistan must fight terrorism on a new level…

  95. Aamir Ali says:
    May 6th, 2010 9:27 am

    @Adnan Siddiqi

    The white guy who hit the IRS building with an airplane a few months ago was a criminal and so is this Faisal Shahzad guy, who tried to blow up Times Square. You need to accept both of them are criminals and not make excuses for them, which is your usual trade.

  96. Sridhar says:
    May 6th, 2010 11:21 am

    Jabbar,

    I am sorry that you feel that my post was a diversion. It was in response to a series of posts, in addition to Adil’s original post. Also, I did not bring in the Lashkar-e-Tayyaba – it was mentioned in the news story quoted in the post itself. I got a little confused about whose quote that was, since Dr. Najam expressed the same view in his panel discussion at the Asia Society (posted on this blog a few days ago). Hence, the comment of mine stands, even though the part about his expressing that opinion “in this post” is clearly not correct.

  97. Adnan says:
    May 6th, 2010 2:39 pm

    @Adrian Hess: very well said. Americans usually have habit to blame Alqaeda on every thing. Even if their kids pee in pants,they blame Alqaeda and Talibans. Our resident “brown angrez” are just following them.

    The story of Joseph Stack was all over in media few months back but does anyone know what was his faith? All western media reported the main issue was his financial crisis.

    Being a Muslim and a Pakistani I am quite aware of apologetic attitude of our so called intellectual class who patriotism for the West is more than the western residents thus no sane person or community was ever able to fight the case of Pakistan properly.

  98. Salman says:
    May 6th, 2010 4:49 pm

    @Brandon:

    no Kashmir is not the only issue.. its the love affair with money in the name of war which is the issue..

    if Kashmir (unfortunately) gets resolved.. we will have to create some new issue.. we are already working on creating a “water crisis” ..

    the concept of Pakistan cannot exist without enmity with India.. and the concept of the creation of Pakistan is our identity.. and we cannot give it up by resolving disputes .. we want even MORE of them !!!

    and that is not only an instrument to drive patriotism and worth.. but of a huge supply of $$$ .. even the USA is happy to have a country that can be used to keep India occupied ..

    the current mess will eventually be tackled until we can arrange $$$ for some other crisis in Pakistan.. till then we are more than comfortable with the current crisis..

    we are only worried about our IMAGE.. and we are working VERY HARD to improve it..

  99. Meengla says:
    May 6th, 2010 8:42 pm

    @Salman,
    Pakistanis are known for self-flagellation in the blogspace but you are the king of self-flagellation.
    No, your arguments do not hold water. While polls after polls in this blogspace will show a very healthy distrust of Pakistan’s military leaders but it is also understood by most educated Pakistanis–both liberals and conservatives–that there ARE real issues with India pertaining to Kashmir and water-sharing.
    Pakistan does NOT need an enemy. Even Pakistan’s military is trying to somehow make peace with India. Musharraf went a long way in making concessions to India on Kashmir–to the extent that Pakistan even backpaddled on its decades-long policy of asking for the UNSC-mandated referendum in Kashmir. For that Musharraf was targeted and one of the aborted attacks against him came from Kashmiris because they thought Mush was ‘selling’ Kashmir to India. Incidentally, this guy Faisal Shahzad is also supposed to be a Kashmiri.

    Also, your argument about Pakistan milking America to take full advantage of the WOT is wrong. Pakistan supposedly got $10 billion since 2001–most of that was for ‘compensation’ for services provided. At the same time Pakistan’s economy lost between $38-50 billion because of the WOT. Prior to 2007, Pakistan’s economy was really booming. But then the militants launched their attacks–with VERY likely support from India–and then Pakistan’s economy went down. In short this stupid WOT is not helping Pakistan at all.

    @Brandon, you are absolutely correct about the centrality of the Kashmir and water-management issues in the region surrounding Pakistan. I commend you for your insight. And welcome to Pakistaniat.com!

  100. KDP says:
    May 6th, 2010 10:35 pm

    Taken from N Y Times:
    I thought much of the terrorist strain in the entire sub-continent was Deobandi (ironically, it means “Servant of the Divine” in Khari Boli), and not Wahabbi.

    A reflection of the different directions in which Pakistan and India (who arose from the ashes of the same empire), and their citizens (Muslim or otherwise) have chosen to take:

    On Sunday, FAISAL Shahzad, son of the privileged class in Pakistan, born in Pakistan-Occupied Kashmir, a new American citizen, makes an unsuccessful attempt to bomb Times Sq. Why? Ostensibly, because he had money and mortgage problems, aside from other troubles (including the belief that his brethren and he himself, was being targeted unfairly by the West).

    Three days later, Shah FAESAL (a doctor from Indian Kashmir), who topped his basic medical school (MBBS) exams, lost his parents to Pakistani terrorist bullets, goes ahead and tops the Indian Civil Service Exams (IAS), and is now on track to joining the Indian Government as a bureaucrat (Possibly the Foreign Service, which means that in a few years, he may sit in the same room as Clinton as a back-seat hand to her Indian counterpart).

    Same name (well, almost), same origins, different reactions to personal tragedy, different destinies…..speaks of national character, eh?

  101. Ravi says:
    May 6th, 2010 11:58 pm

    To all Taliban supporters

    Why blame US?
    US never interfered in the internal affairs of Talibans till 2001.
    Cruel Talibans used to run terror training camps, burned Afghan schools, treated women worse than animals and they virtually created a “hell” on earth. The western powers didn’t mind then. Talibans are responsible for bringing in US to the subcontinent.Their donkey cart technology is no match for the capabilities of the most advanced civilization that ever existed on earth. If US declares a total war against them then Talibans will be obliterated in a short time. US is fighting the war as well as they are trying to civilize the Talibans at the same time. Who the hell are these Talibs to fight on the behalf of all Muslims of the world. Does god gave them special instruction to do so. I don’t think so when I see their animal like existance on earth.

  102. Ahmad says:
    May 7th, 2010 6:58 am

    911 was a inside game and so is the Times square one
    All arranged by the clandestine organizations who fund the Taliban and Alqaida,

  103. Faraz says:
    May 7th, 2010 1:12 pm

    @Ahmad,
    You seem like a knowledable person. Who are these clandestine organizations, and what are their goals/motives? And how are they able to recruit and brainwash Muslims to do their dirty work?

  104. Aamir Ali says:
    May 7th, 2010 2:30 pm

    @KDP

    The main flaw in your cuckoo theory is you conclude the national character of a country based on 2 individuals, as well as grandiose predictions of the future.

    @Ravi
    Actually Alqaeda is the reason US came to Afghanistan…and I wish US was as capable on the ground as it was on paper. The donkey cart technology of the Taliban has kept the US in Afghan qaugmire, with the result we continue to see the same terror-infested Afghanistan, and nearby Pakistan that existed in 2001, which is a long long time ago if you think about it.

  105. Meengla says:
    May 7th, 2010 4:22 pm

    @Aamir Ali,
    Well said!
    And what bugs me–in fact, irritates me–are the conspiracy theories floating around Pakistan. One very popular theory is that Americans are in Afghanistan to control the energy resources of Central Asia. These theories are not just floated by expat-kids with too much free time at their hand: Pakistan’s most powerful former figures like Gen. Aslam Baig and Gen. Hamid Gul also subscribe and propagate that. Not to mention the unending supplies of rightwing media pundits in Pakistan.
    And now, when it becomes clear that Americans want to get out of Afghanistan, I hear a different tune: The Talibans have defeated America. I wish Americans can pacify Afghanistan without too much bloodshed. But then nothing good could ever come out of GW Bush who put too few boots on the ground and that window of opportunity in the fall of 2001 is long gone.

  106. Adnan says:
    May 7th, 2010 4:36 pm

    @Ravi: first, you need to watch “The power of nightmares” by Adam Curtis. It would help you or anyone else to understand that God’s “blessed” America is actually not so good for others.

    archive.org/details/ThePowerOfNightmares

    As far as women status in India, well I don;t know in which part of the world do you live but things are exceptionally worst than any part of the world

    dailymail.co.uk/news/article-393896/Genocide-Indias-daughters.html

  107. Adnan says:
    May 7th, 2010 4:47 pm

    “And now, when it becomes clear that Americans want to get out of Afghanistan, I hear a different tune: The Talibans have defeated America. ”

    Dear Meengla, I believe you are not a conspiracy pundit and a ring-wing person. Can you please enlighten us why did USA come to Afghanistan(again) after 78 and if it was not defeated by Talibans or likes then why is USA willing to back to home? Are you suggesting USA was on Honeymoon period in Afghanistan which you think it’s over now? Or you are suggesting that USA has done his work(by sending their infinite marines in coffins?

    And now when Gen. Petraeus openly expressing his fear about his next battle after failed “Marjah” operation, how would you intrepret his fear?

    Also, what would you say about post-USA Afghanistan which will again be in hands of Talibans? Do you expect PPP govt exist at that time or Nawaz Sharif will join again by starting a working relationship with Talibans?

    Your enlightened response will highly be appreciated

  108. Meengla says:
    May 7th, 2010 5:37 pm

    @Adnan,
    Firstly, I do not claim to know all the answers–unlike the right-wing conspiracy theorists who answer for everything under the sun.
    With that said, I think Americans came to Afghanistan in 2001 because of 9/11. It is a different matter that Bush, the idiot, was more interested in Iraq than to tackle Al-Qaida. But to claim that the energy resources of central asia as the prime cause of American intervenion in Afghanistan is to me a conspiracy theory. There are plenty other floating around, by the way: Grab Pakistan’s nukes. Help breaking away of Baluchistan….
    But I have to admit that Americans are packing up now because they have not been able to pacify Afghanistan. There is a new guy in the White House. He does not have to think like the neo-cons all the time. He is trying to do some damage control–damage done not to just other parts of the world by Bush but also to Americans themselves. You see, in a democracy like America people’s choices do matter. Americans want to focus on what goes on inside America now and Barack Obama is the man for that.

    About what is going to happen in Pakistan if Talibans come to power in Afghanistan, I don’t know. But I won’t be too surprised if the PPP govt. continues in power just like it did in the mid-90s while the army was nurturing Talibans. After all, it is the army of Pakistan which controls the security-related policies. That has been the case since 1977 and it is not going to change in the foreseeable future.

    So, these are my ‘enlightened’ OPINIONS.

  109. Jauhar says:
    May 7th, 2010 7:21 pm

    And to all of the right-wing Taliban thumping sympathizers out there, think of the day-after if the U.S. were to pull out of Afghanistan and Taliban were to come to power. What will happen next: a resurgent Taliban knocking on the doors of Pakistan. Not just FATA and Swat but the main land. Then you will taste the medicine you that you have been prescribing so eagerly to the Afghans. We don’t need to guess how it will look like: Think of the Swat and Buner across Pakistan’s heartland. And I will sure people using these tools of the infidels (such as internet) will be the first ones to have their heads chopped off.

  110. Hina S says:
    May 7th, 2010 9:04 pm

    I just stumbled on a Reuters article titled ‘ Pakistanis pose as Indians after NY bomb scare’ on the main page of Yahoo News. The only thing more disheartening then the article itself are the responses posted by the readers.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100507/us_nm/us_timessquare_backlash_1

  111. Markus says:
    May 7th, 2010 11:03 pm

    CNN reports study “Threat of Muslim-American terrorism in U.S. exaggerated”
    http://edition.cnn.com/2010/US/01/06/muslim.radicalization.study/

  112. Ravi says:
    May 7th, 2010 11:24 pm

    Adnan sir,

    Why do you assume that All is well in India. You are mistaken my dear. A nation with 1.2 billion opportunities and problems have a long way to go. They are taking the baby steps one at a time. The former president of India Mr. Abdul Kalam has laid out a blue print of what needs to be done. “India vision 2020 is an excellent read” ( you can substitute Pakistan for India, the idea is the same) . If you aim for the moon there is a chance that you might atleast reach the clouds. There is a possibility that they might not even achive that. Why not give a try instead of doing nothing.
    If you are looking for good role models, try to copy Scandinavian countries like Sweden, Norway or even Bhutan. These countries are the perfect examples of just Islamic societies in theory. I dont recommend you India as of today.
    Most of the Talibs are depressed and suicidal. Tahir ul-Qadri’s 600 page fatwa clearly says that Talibs belong to the forces of darkness. By the way dark forces are naturally stronger than forces of light. Most powerful force in the Universe is dark energy. By that logic Talibs can definitely defeat civilized socities. Any monkey can break a glass jar into thousand pieces, but one need to be exceptionally intelligent and skilled to create a beautiful jar in the first place.

    “No, they become the heroes of hellfire and they are leading towards hellfire ” . I didn’t say that.

  113. Anglea says:
    May 7th, 2010 11:43 pm

    I pray for peace for everyone. This is a terrible terrible war and is destroying our civilization. I wish peace comes back to both USA and to Pakistan. I hope India will also stop being stubborn and allow a solution to Kashmir by giving Kashmiris their rights so that one of the reason for this can go away.

  114. Pasha says:
    May 7th, 2010 11:52 pm

    This guy is a criminal, just like the guy who terrorized people by ramming his plane a few weeks ago into an office building. Both should be fully punished. And exactly the same way.

  115. Ghazanfar says:
    May 8th, 2010 12:03 am

    This idiot should be tried and punished as the law prescribes. But let us also remember that more Pakistanis have died at the hands of terrorism than any other country. Partly because US military incompetence let Al-Qaida fleed from Afghanistan after 9/11 and US military failures in Afghanistan has increased the terrorist threat to Pakistan.

  116. Samantha says:
    May 8th, 2010 12:14 am

    I agree with those who are saying that the real clue is not his ‘radicalization’ and trips to Pakistan, but his losing his job and home. That is what led to this just like it led to other Americans turning to violence.

  117. Adnan says:
    May 8th, 2010 9:44 am

    @Jauhar: A very short suggestion, prepare your army and battle with Talibans? Who is stopping you? If you can’t! then digest what’s coming to you. You have no other choice

    @Meengla:

    “Firstly, I do not claim to know all the answers–unlike the right-wing conspiracy theorists who answer for everything under the ”

    Pardon me but left wing members of this forums sounds more conspiracy specialists than anyone else as they even produced the conspiracy that Shahzad got training in FATA,Wazristan or what not. So either redefine conspiracy or condemn the hypocrisy.

    You still have not answered the main question. If you think that US has been defeated, who has defeated them? Do you think Talibs are taking credit of something which they have not done?

    I dont think Obama is taking any measures to imrpove US image in the world. The Gitmo is still there, more drones are killing innocents in Afghanistan and Pakistan. Ms.Clinton just threatened again. I don’t get how are you making such claims.

    Obama might not be an ally of right wing neocons but you know very well that Obama can’t even go against Israel either.

    p.s: Does the defeat of US sounds good to you or bad? Just curious

  118. Anoop Agarwal says:
    May 8th, 2010 9:56 am

    Rana says:

    “I guess why so many Indians feel compelled to spew hate. I guess thy are programmed to :-)”

    Rana: It is true that I hate you and your beliefs. And in this I am not being nasty. I am merely returning the compliment. If you doubt my words, all you have to do is, open your holy book and see what filth it spews against me (an idol-worshipper) and my beliefs (polytheism).

    May be, we should look at the source before starting a blame game.

    Regards,

  119. Watan Aziz says:
    May 8th, 2010 11:12 am

    So, finally we have an explanation from an alleged Indian on the basis of the hatred ** in ** India.

    Jews left India (Hear O Israel, your Lord God is one.)

    Christians suffer in India (No one comes to the Father except through me.)

    Sikhs get killed in India (One Universal Creator God, The Name Is Truth, Creative Being Personified, No Fear, No Hatred, Image Of The Timeless One, Beyond Birth, Self Existent, By Guru’s Grace.)

    Buddhists suffer in India (Buddha is ‘Primordial Lord’, the omnipresent and eternal foundation of all that exists.)

    Muslims suffer in India (There is no god but the God.)

    But I will add, that it is possible this is a basis of hatred of some Hindus (and in India, “some” is counted in millions and millions) it is not the basis of all. There are good people everywhere.

    I hope and pray the humanity can accept diversity. Diversity in people, religion, race and gender. People continue to find things that divide, I hope they can find things that unite. Unite to get rid of inequity and injustice that exists in all of South Asia.

    I am however, focused on Pakistan. I hope Indians get the time to focus on their problems.

    I do wish Indians well; on the other side of the border!

    P.S. The high level of alleged Indian participation in this thread is indicative that the problem and the solution lies in the peace for the whole region as a whole and not any one subset. Regardless of what individual position is on being a victim or a victimizer, the problem and the solution needs a comprehensive approach. Anyone seeking otherwise, please come back to Earth from your journey to Mars.

  120. Meengla says:
    May 8th, 2010 7:35 pm

    When it comes to foreign policy affairs Indians, almost universally, are incapable of any independent thoughts. They are fed the one-side views by a very nationalist media. Even Fox News would look more ‘balanced’ in India in comparison. I am sure of this because I follow Indian news papers frequently. And so no suprise that Indian bloggers–even relatively more balanced and well-meaning blogger like @Sridhar who is our guest here–repeat the same old same old. To these bloggers Indian foreign policy is incapable of wrong doings. To these bloggers Pakistanis are some brainwashed jihad-crazy 170 million people. To these Indians, India is all good and Pakistan is ALL bad.

    There are a lot of problems in ‘shining India’. Indians are excellent in hiding them. Forget Pakistan for a moment. Just look up ‘Naxalites’ and the unending violence in the north-east of India.

    India is a proto-Nazi state as far its media’s coverage of Indian foreign policy is concerned. Very highly educated Indians frequent ‘Bharat-Rakshak.com’ discussion forum. They are not some young keyboard warriors. These are mostly mature people. But they are so intolerant that not many non-Indians dare to participate in their racist and war-mongering discussions. Some of them even think of making Indian Ocean as ‘Indian Lake’.

  121. Ravi says:
    May 8th, 2010 11:30 pm

    A country that is capable of producing nuclear weapons deserves better rulers than being ruled by Psychopathic Talibans. Beware of extream ideologies whether it is left,right of religious. Polpot is responsible for the death of 50% population of Combodia. Stalin’s contribution was 20 million deaths. Hitler was responsible for 60 millon deaths.
    Lunatic Mao killed 50 millions. Right winger Bush is responsible for 2 million deaths. And Talibans will kill ?? millions. Just use your imagination.

    Taliban retards will take Pakistan to 6th century Somalia. They will burn down schools, colleges and research institutions, will ban school bells like Somalian retards, religious minorities will be forced to wear a bell around their neck, will convert the agriculural lands into Opium farm. Western nations will add a Taliban ruled Pakistan to the the list of terrorist nation. Iranians youths are regretting the choice made by their parents. Don’t be under the illusion that Taliban revolution is simillar to Iranian revolution. Iranian revolutionaries were intellectuals. Obama’s Af-Pak is the most derogatory nickname for Pakistan. Cancerous ‘Af’ need to be surgically removed from ‘Pak’.

  122. Adnan says:
    May 9th, 2010 2:07 am

    @meengla: dear meengla I am waiting for your kind answer

  123. Adnan says:
    May 9th, 2010 2:55 am

    Talibans take responsbility of Pakistani Team defeat:

    tinyurl.com/talibanpakiteam

  124. Meengla says:
    May 9th, 2010 8:32 am

    @Adnan,
    I already responded to your questions right after your post. I don’t think we want to veer to far from this topic but I partially agreed with you on at least one point in my response.
    Meengla

  125. Jeremy Austin Biggs says:
    May 9th, 2010 12:48 pm

    As someone who is not from Pakistan or India, I find the comments from two people very childish and disturbing. Why does India blame all its problems on Pakistan, like the Bombay bombs? And why does Pakistan find excuses in India for everything that goes wrong there?

    Grow up guys, its time.

  126. Sridhar says:
    May 9th, 2010 7:46 pm

    Jeremy,

    I would suggest you educate yourself on the issues before passing comments which are nonsensical. In the case of the Mumbai attacks, nobody really doubts that the perpetrators were Pakistanis, that the attacks were planned and controlled from Pakistan. The lone surviving gunman has just been convicted after a legitimate trial in a court of law. An American citizen of Pakistani origin has recently admitted guilt to helping plan the attacks and of coordinating with organizations and individuals in Pakistan. Another American of Pakistani origin has been charged in the US for complicity in the attacks. The recordings of the conversations between the terrorists and their handlers are in the public record and were part of a documentary shown on Britain’s Channel 4 and subsequently by Fareed Zakaria on CNN. Even the Pakistani government admits that these attacks were planned and executed from Pakistan.

    And yet, there will be shameless people like you standing on a high horse without legs and commenting about something you seemingly have absolutely no knowledge of.

  127. Sridhar says:
    May 9th, 2010 8:27 pm

    Meengla,

    You rightly say that people should not look at 170 million Pakistanis in a monolithic way. And you are right. But then you go on to paint all Indians in the same brush. Isn’t that hypocritical?

    Speaking for myself, did you care to read what I posted? Where in that post did you read that I said that all Pakistanis were bad and that all Indians are good? Or that there were no mistakes made by the Indian Government? I went even further to refer to mistakes committed by citizens, not just an inanimate entity like the Government, which deflects blame from citizens. And any reference to Pakistani complicity, at least in my posts, has focused on the role of the Pakistan military and its agencies, and the jihadi organizations, not ordinary citizens.

    The fact is that an entire generation has grown up in India in the shadow of terrorism, which was aided and abetted if not directly sponsored by Pakistan. Hence, if there is any unanimity in opinions about the fact that official Pakistani Government policy has resulted in the deaths of tens of thousands of Indians over the last 20 years, it results from the shared experience of a generation. The media in India is independent and quite fiercely so. There are different shades of opinion across the media and the current battle for ratings has sometimes made the media crass. But any suggestions of a controlled proto-Nazi media working as a part of a grand conspiracy to malign Pakistan would be laughable.

    Almost every single claim of Pakistani complicity has been proved right over the years. It may seem that every terror incident in India is blamed on Pakistan. First, that is not true. Incidents have been committed by others and in cases where any evidence has pointed to any other actors, the prosecution has focused on those. Nobody has claimed for instance that Naxalite violence is anything but an issue internal to India that has to be solved using a political approach ultimately. Also, no reasonable person thinks that there is no blame on the part of India for terrorism affecting us – at least some of it has been bred by various mistakes and injustices committed by us. But the fact is simply that a majority of major terrorist acts in major cities of India have had a Pakistani connection, which has been proved. It may seem like same old same old to you, but that is because it is truly a case of same old same old. And now what was exclusively India’s problem that people in the west could just ignore (or worse still, blame the victims like Jeremy does above) since Indian rather than western lives were being lost, is now the world’s problem. So there will be more of the “same old same old”, now from across the world rather that just from India.

  128. Meengla says:
    May 9th, 2010 11:23 pm

    @Jeremy,
    Please ponder this: You are in a Pakistani blog where, presumabely, most visitors are from Pakistan. It has been several hours since you post. But no Pakistani has jumped on you for being critical of Pakistan. You know why? Because most Pakistanis know that something terrible has been done in their name with or without their complicity.
    But one Indian @Sridhar comes here and could not wait to jump on you for merely being ‘balanced’. Indians have the unanimity of opinions when it comes to foreign policy. They are far more brainwashed, one-sided than Pakistanis are. There is a gem-of-an-article by a Western diplomat/journalist who marvelled about how little Indian media–of a supposedly ‘democratic’ country covers Pakistan’s concerns about Indus water rights versus how much diverse political discourse is in a ‘military dictatorship’ like that of Pakistan.
    PS. I will respond to @Sridhar soon. He remains a respected and as ‘balanced’ as an Indian blogger can be at least in my book.

  129. Sridhar says:
    May 10th, 2010 7:35 am

    Meengla,

    I have no problems with somebody being critical. But if it is not factual, I will point that out. Jeremy was hardly being “balanced” as you suggest – he was being what is called a “troll” in internet language. A fire throwing one at that.

    Secondly, I don’t quite agree with your notion of “balance” – which seems to be the same as “blame both sides equally” in a situation where there are two sides to an issue. To me, balance is about being factual. Of being willing to be convinced by facts, even if it is against one’s position. Of being reasonable. Not of assigning equal blame on all sides even if that is unwarranted.

  130. Meengla says:
    May 10th, 2010 8:18 pm

    @Sridhar,
    I am going to be brief here; we have mostly said what we wanted to say to each other regarding understanding where ‘the other’ side is coming from. I will keep on insisting that Indian media has brainwashed people especially about foreign policy matters to the extent that significant diversity of views in even educated (and well meaning, as in your case) bloggers is lacking. You may keep saying that there is a consensus because of Pakistan’s role in terrorism inside India. I, and most other Pakistanis, can and will say that India’s role and rule in Indian-held Kashmir is no less than ‘State Sponsored Terrorism’. However, with some pride, I can say that Pakistani media and blogspace still manages to self-flagellate about Pakistan’s foreign policy–especially policies since 1977 when the military took over that realm.
    We shall certainly meet again in this blogspace.
    Peace.

  131. Sridhar says:
    May 11th, 2010 10:30 pm

    Meengla,

    BTW, I am quite critical of India’s Kashmir policy and think that forcing a population to be part of a country they do not wish to be a part of is neither morally right, nor practical in the long run. I do believe a solution can be found that satisfies the Kashmiris while addressing the security concerns of both India and Pakistan. It will require some concessions on the part of everybody, but it can have significant long-term benefits for all.

    That said, I do think that nothing at all, and certainly nothing that India’s foreign policy has done can justify the promotion of terrorist organizations and their use against innocent Indian citizens, which has formed and continues to form an important part of the Pakistan military’s India policy.

    Adios and look forward to interacting on other topics in the future.

  132. Umair Qaiser says:
    May 13th, 2010 12:07 am

    I still do not think that everything has come out. This drama will unfold further.

  133. Salman says:
    May 13th, 2010 1:06 pm

    @Sridhar:

    As far as India’s role is concerned, Pakistan’s mistrust is rooted in its creation. We decided to form a separate country ONLY about 6-8 years before 1947… After a century of trying to get to a “balance” .. so really please don’t talk about India’s fairness…

    that said.. it is our internal problem that we have given up everything.. education, health, water, food, fuel, EVERYTHING up in order to keep up our fight with India for Kashmir.. it was one of our “great” leader’s vision too.. to fight with India for a 100 years even if without food.. we’ve made it a reality..

    Only the Army and terrorists are the two successful institutions .. with consistent improvement in financial holdings… how can we give up YEARS of investment that led to the current situation..

    I still wonder why is every Pakistani on this blog trying to “correct” the current situation when everything is according to plan..

    the current mess is just a gang war between the two elite forces .. it will continue until one subdues the other .. its their internal matter that has gone wrong… and they will solve it between themselves.. we DON’T have the right to interfere.. do we?

  134. May 14th, 2010 3:59 pm

    “Who is Faisal Shahad?”

    A convienent excuse to criminalize being Pakistani, the way things are going.

  135. May 17th, 2010 6:36 am

    There are voices that claim to speak for Pakistan – voices of division, fear, and extremism. They do not speak for us, the people of Pakistan. Through this campaign we affirm amongst ourselves – and send a message to the world – that we will not be defined by violence, nor will we give in to it. We are diverse but we are bound together as a single people and nation and we will define our future together.
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  136. June 19th, 2010 9:44 am

    It is a pity that ordinary people, like many of the bloggers, throw accusations against entire nations (Indians, Pakistanis…). Remember that when ordinary people are left alone, they do not hurt each other in any massive way. Yes, sometimes people fight over some trivial matter, but no one plans over months terrorist acts, pogroms or wars because his own feelings. Such acts are organized from above by power-hungry leaders who rally gullible masses behind some religious or nationalist slogans.

    Remember: The mass murder of 9/11 was definitely not carried out by Muslim fanatics, but by US military operatives. There is no shred of evidence that any Muslim fanatics boarded any of the airplanes that allegedly crashed on 9/11. The mass murder allowed the US and many governments to participate in a “war on terror”, which is the label used by governments to rally popular masses behind their respective flags, police and armed forces and crush opposition.

    What we need today more than anything else is grass-root solidarity between ordinary people across borders against the ruling elites who meet behind closed doors and attempt to decide the fate of humankind in order to remain wealthy and powerful.

  137. Kevin Mark says:
    December 24th, 2010 12:24 am

    You may keep saying that there is a consensus because of Pakistan’s role in terrorism inside India. I do think that as a pellet mill factory worker,and it feels like certainly nothing that India’s foreign policy has done can justify the promotion of terrorist organizations and their use against innocent Indian citizens.

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