Pictures of the Day: Standing Tall

Posted on December 27, 2006
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By Adil Najam

It has been a tradition for as long as I can recall that on the 25th of December a contingent of cadets from the Pakistan Military Academy (PMA), Kakul, takes over as the ceremonial honor guards at the mausoleum of the Quaid, Muhammad Ali Jinnah. This year, Jinnah’s 130th birth anniversary, was special because the PMA honor guard contingent included eight female cadets and one Sikh cadet.

The two pictures here are from Dawn and Daily Times. Indicative of the importance is the fact that the two newspapers use the titles ‘Winds of Change’ and ‘New Beginning’ to headline the pictures, respectively.

According to an Associated Press report in the Daily Times (27 December, 2006):

Eight female cadets from the Pakistan Army’s elite training academy on Monday became the first female honour guards at the mausoleum of Pakistan’s founder, Quaid-e-Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah. State-run television showed the female contingent, clad in khaki cadet slacks, some wielding swords and others holding guns, marching to military tunes with their male colleagues in a ceremony at the mausoleum of Mr Jinnah, the Father of the Nation, in Karachi. In November, for the first time in the history of Pakistan, the Pakistan Military Academy Kakul opened its doors to women. In March, women also broke into the all-male air force when it inducted four women pilots.

Forty-one females joined the army academy to undergo a rigorous six months of military training along with men before being inducted as officers in various branches of the army. President Gen Pervez Musharraf, who attended ceremonies in Karachi marking the 130th birthday of Mr Jinnah, laid flowers at the mausoleum and praised the female cadets who are to graduate next April. “I am really impressed by the girls,� Musharraf said. “This is the future of Pakistan.� Previously, women had only served in the army’s medical corps without being trained at the academy. But the 41 female cadets at PMA will join the army as non-combat officers in the communication, engineering, legal and education branches.

Comments on this issue have already been flowing elsewhere on ATP but I thought these pictures were worth sharing and highlighting here. Readers would remember that earlier this year Aviation Cadet Saira Amin had won the coveted Sword of Honour for best all-round performance at the Air Force Academy in Risalpur and became the first woman pilot to have won the Sword of Honour in any defense academy of Pakistan. I should confess that a few days ago when I had contemplated naming an ‘ATP Pakistani of the Year’ she was one of the people I thought would make a great candidate as a symbol of women breaking into traditionally male-dominated professions.

71 Comments on “Pictures of the Day: Standing Tall”

  1. Daktar says:
    December 27th, 2006 3:20 am

    These pictures make me feel good about the future of Pakistan. much better than I did after looking at your list of options in the Poll on key events of 2006.

    Its not just them, I also stand tall today. And I am sure the Quaid was also smiling in his grave.

  2. TURAB says:
    December 27th, 2006 3:30 am

    we have a batch of women fighter pilots in PAF as well! makes me proud of our country!

  3. December 27th, 2006 8:00 am

    This is brilliant… to say the least.

  4. Moeen Bhatti says:
    December 27th, 2006 8:32 am

    A great change….

  5. Kabir says:
    December 27th, 2006 10:02 am

    May I take this opportunity to remind everyone especially the expatriates to display Pakistan flag (pins/wolf-tags/sticker etc) & other Pakistan icons/images. I have one on my backpack and desktop in office. Shukriya

  6. Zulfiqar says:
    December 27th, 2006 4:22 pm

    Mr. Siddiqui is probably correct. Part of this is a political gimmick just like Gen. Zia’s islamization was a political stunt. But it is a GOOD political gimmick which sends the right signal to society about rights and equal status of women and minorities. People who do wrong things like Martial Law can also sometimes do good things even for wrong reason.

  7. December 27th, 2006 1:23 pm

    The new political stunt and emotional commnets by my fellow innocent Pakistanis made me laugh.

    May I ask how this stunt is NOT different than PML[Q]‘s recent gimmick on the occasion of Dewali?

    Do you guys really think that Mush’s regime is ACTUALLY doing something good which was never done in past? I ask how a sikh and few girls made you to believe that Pakistan is changing?

    This govt is not even 1% different than previous govts and they are least intrested and bothered about the rights of minority/majority/whatever. If mush has a soft corner for minorities then he should already have started a grand operation against all waderas and Chudharies who have been offending low cast hindus in interior Sind and christians in Punjab. I already mentioned in other post about Musharraf’s mentality about Pakistani women.

    It’s all power game. If today these guys recieve a message from Oval office to promote Madarassah system and islamists and ban all these so called liberals and minorities,promote Islamic teachings in all over Pakistan and hug talibans then I am damn sure same Mush regime would be cursing Liberalism,moderanization and present himself a “Mujahid or savior of Ummah”. That’s what former dictator did in past when they recieved orders from US to fight against communism. These guys have no deen and Iman, they do what is best for them rather what is best for others.

    We are living in 21st century but our Jahil politicians and people in power can still fool educated class of Pakistan forget about illetrate majority.

  8. muawiya says:
    December 27th, 2006 1:24 pm

    Hi,
    i’m a woman and frankly have always been for the women’s lib, the voice for women…when the Air Force decided to induct women as fighter pilots i applauded the idea and was very proud of that fact…finally not only our government but the people of pakistan are also opening up their hearts to give women the respect they deserve for their brains and their intellect…however, i simply cannot agree to the idea of a woman in the army…it just is not right…

  9. December 27th, 2006 1:26 pm

    In short, Golmal hay sab bhayee Golmal hay :>

  10. Daktar says:
    December 27th, 2006 1:30 pm

    [quote comment="20803"]…it just is not right…[/quote]
    muawiya, why not?

  11. MU says:
    December 27th, 2006 1:30 pm

    [quote comment="20803"]however, i simply cannot agree to the idea of a woman in the army…it just is not right…[/quote]

    Why?

  12. Moeen Bhatti says:
    December 27th, 2006 2:23 pm

    If someone deosn’t agree with the idea of women being in the Army, he/she should tell why…???
    Adnan: Noone said that Mush is good or differant or he has done THIS wonderful job of bringing women in the Army…I guess what everyone commented was that its good that women are coming in the ARmy….

  13. December 27th, 2006 2:21 pm

    Hi,

    Though I myself am proud of the fact that women and a minority have been posted on the Quaid’s mausoleum the real purpose of this comment is to ask the visitors to this blog to visit another blog about Pakistan at http://micropakistan.wordpress.com. It is by young Pakistani students and professionals either studying abroad or back home and talks about issues facing the Pakistani youth today. It talks about things that make them think. I would also request Mr Adil Najam to add that to his Blogroll. Thank you.

  14. Babar says:
    December 27th, 2006 2:55 pm

    [quote post="492"]the 41 female cadets at PMA will join the army as non-combat officers in the communication, engineering, legal and education branches.[/quote]

    Non-combat only? What a waste of their skills!

  15. Anwar says:
    December 27th, 2006 3:16 pm

    Impressive – I hope this pace will continue.
    Yes, there is plenty of room and need for improvements at grassroot level however progress can be made in parallel and not necessarily in a sequential manner. In this regard recruitment of women in police, military and other male dominated professions is a step in the right direction.

  16. TURAB says:
    December 27th, 2006 3:40 pm

    [quote comment="20802"]The new political stunt and emotional commnets by my fellow innocent Pakistanis made me laugh.

    May I ask how this stunt is NOT different than PML[Q]‘s recent gimmick on the occasion of Dewali?

    Do you guys really think ………[/quote]

    Every long journey starts with the first STEP!

  17. Ali says:
    December 27th, 2006 8:22 pm

    Oh this is just too good. Finally our minority sikh population is getting the coverage that they deserved.

    guru jee da khalsa… guru jee di fateh!

  18. December 27th, 2006 9:12 pm

    Turab, women have not only been inducted into the Air Force and Army, but also in the Navy. To the extent that this represents the inclusion of women in what have been male-dominated professions, I think, it sends a positive signal and sets the right example for the equality of opportunities for women. These, of course, are only initial steps.
    Here is an editorial from The News (28 December, 2006) on women in the Navy:

    The formal induction of the first batch of 22 female sailors into the Pakistan Navy, following the completion of a 38-week-long extensive training course, is definitely something that every Pakistani, especially females, should be extremely proud of.

    The passing out parade of the female batch, along with 1000 new-entry sailors, was held at the PNS Himalaya on Tuesday with Commodore Muhammad Aslam Rana as the chief guest. The chief guest was right in making the observation that the valuable contribution of the women of Pakistan in strengthening the armed forces is very important for the progress and prosperity of the nation. This ‘forward march’ of women in the Pakistan armed forces is also synonymous with the image that Pakistan is trying to project internationally, that of an enlightened, moderate state attuned to the needs of the times.

    With Pakistan already having inducted women fighter pilots in the air force and now with female sailors joining the navy, it is a clear sign that the government is committed to an expanded profile for women in the armed forces. In a society where women are flying fighter and civilian planes and working as police officers, there is no reason why they should not be allowed to perform more challenging, even combat-related tasks in the armed forces. With appropriate training, they are sure to succeed in this task. All that is needed is not for the women to change themselves to get into these new fields, but for the men to change their attitudes. That women are the weaker sex is a notion that should be discarded, but an even bigger requirement on their part is not to perceive females as intruders in their domain but as new colleagues who can bring a new perspective to the force. The government would be well advised to order a feasibility report on the deployment of women in service branches other than those they are currently serving in. This study should also include examination of whether women can be absorbed into the hitherto off-limits combat positions.

  19. December 27th, 2006 11:40 pm

    Moin sahib, re-read what I said,the guy and those girls were presented to show outerworld that “we care minorities” and it has no relation that “pakistan army now accept women”. The other stunts like visiting churches also part of it.

    [quote post="492"]Every long journey starts with the first STEP![/quote]

    People in Zia time also used to get happy that they have found a true Islamic leader and used to pray and chant stuff about him like people today praise musharraf. Different people but same mentality and such mentality can’t be helpful to make a progressive pakistan. Yesterday was zia,today is mush and tomorrow will be someone else, people would keep following the path of celebrity worshipping which is common in our illetrate village people who belives in a Makhdoom or peer more than a God.

    [quote post="492"]But it is a GOOD political gimmick which sends the right signal to society about rights and equal status of women and minorities[/quote]

    Zia’s stunt also had said right signal to Regan govt at that time who wanted Islamizatioin in 80s. Don’t consider outer world idiot enough that they would believe in such childish stunts and change their foriegn policies about Pakistan. It’s all about $$$ and Mush also admitted once in his book that how they use different mediums to earn dollars from US govt.

    As I already said that real minorities have been suffering in the hands of feudals of Sind and Punjab. I would consider mush a champ if he DOES something for them

  20. Kashif says:
    December 28th, 2006 5:47 am

    59 years have passed and we are still wandering in the dark. One general imposed ziaiyat and another is imposing pervaiziyat.

  21. kashif siddiqui says:
    December 28th, 2006 5:54 am

    Can any body tell me that what is the significance of lady army officer become gurad at Quaide-e-Azam Mazar?
    How the Pakistan can “change” after this “Revolutionary” step?
    What message & to whom it was conveyed?
    After lady guards the future of Pakistan become safe?
    The women of Pakistan will get all rights?
    I fail to understand how this event make me ‘Proud’ & in which sense it is brilliant?
    Do the people have read the situation (abuse) of women in US army, Pls read

    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/19/national/main1913849.shtml

    http://newstandardnews.net/content/?action=show_item&itemid=549

    http://dir.salon.com/story/mwt/feature/2004/05/18/military_assault/index.html

    http://www.wsws.org/articles/2004/jun2004/mili-j10.shtml

  22. December 28th, 2006 8:50 am

    I still don’t see why some people are against this move…
    Pakistan’s first law minister was a Hindu… And even Classical Muslim Empires have traditionally had Non-Muslims in high positions of power…

    The Mughal Emperor Aurangzeb Alamgir, widely known to be a conservative Muslim ruler, had as his Army Chief, a Hindu. Infact Shivaji- Aurangzeb’s enemy and the widely hailed Indian national hero (irony)- tried lure Aurangzeb’s army chief on the pretext of Hindu solidarity unsuccessfully… One of Mahmud Ghaznavi’s (yes the “Idol-Breaker”) generals and later the governor of Lahore after Ayyaz was Tunku a very conservative Hindu. Ghaznavi’s army had many Hindus and he even built them a Temple in Ghazni. Tipu Sultan’s tolerance and benevolence is well known.

  23. MU says:
    December 28th, 2006 9:21 am

    Interesting comments by wussatullah; (http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/urdu/2006/12/post_113.html)

  24. Misbah says:
    December 28th, 2006 2:50 pm

    Salams. I found this blog quite interesting and would want to add a few words here on female cadets.
    Living in Pakistan, I do not feel at all excited with this news. But is this supposed to achieve? I, as a woman, do not feel that going through rugged physical training like men, or carrying swords or guns represents gender equality or emancipation. But rather being appreciated as a woman and still considered equal for all fundamental rights is true gender equality. If one gender has to compromise on being themselves and be like the other in order to get noticed or appreciated, then how are two genders being treated equal!

  25. Misbah says:
    December 28th, 2006 2:53 pm

    Also, yes, sure, we had the first muslim female prime minister, and now we have female cadets but the life of the average pakistani woman, mostly in rural areas, is getting more and more difficult. It is good to see some women doing wonderful, but to me real progress would be when status & living conditions of majority of the women improves.

  26. Akif Nizam says:
    December 28th, 2006 3:03 pm

    I think it’s a positive step….not a revolutionary one….but a positive one. The social condition of women in Pakistan is appalling, to say the least. They are second-class citizens in the public arena and have to constantly defend themselves against the apparatuses of both the State and the society. Things will never change until women recongize that they can be able partners in all walks of life. Their own perceptions have to change and they have to stand up for their own rights….no Protection Bill can do that.

    What this step, then provides for the women in Karachi is a window where women are seen (for most part by other women) in a position of power. No doubt, they will be subject to abuse by the ‘chichora’ sections of our populace. I would love to see one day on Pakistaniat, as the picture of the day, a photo of one of these women pinning down a ‘lalookheti’ on the ground.

    To those who say that this step is a political gimmick, I say I agree with only half your assessment. It’s a gimmick alright, not a political one but a social one.

  27. December 28th, 2006 11:51 pm

    Dear Misbah,

    If you don’t feel excited doesn’t mean that it does not open a vista for many millions of your Pakistani sisters regardless of religion, caste or creed.

    I for one believe this step is a very big positive both for women and minorities.

  28. December 29th, 2006 12:09 am

    It could be considered a positive step if it was not a Stunt. Reality is entirely different as someone already said here that all of such exercises are to send positive signals to outer world and has no intention to do something for the welfare of minorities.

    And for those who are getting happy that a pakistani president[Mush here] first time visited Jinnah’s mazar on 25thDec, I asked where had mush been hibernating for last 6 years that he didn’t bother to visit jinnah’s mazar on 25th dec? how come the dictator suddenly realized that he should have visited the mazar now?

    Visiting mazar,installing minorities on mazar ,change course,celebrating xmas and dewali, all of these steps are to register name in the good book of few guys at Oval office whoa re yet not satisfied. Such steps are just to fool local awam and when I read comments here and read few articles in papers, I think they have succeeded to fool our awam. Carry on living in imaginary world,nobody is forcing them to come out from fools paradise. Things after 5/6 years itself would clear everything.

  29. December 29th, 2006 12:20 am

    And by the way, women have been working in different departments of Pakistan Army,Airforce and Navy for years. There are female [IT,Electrical/electronic]engineers,administrators in different departments of armed forces and they are tributed every year on PTV by telacasting a special program for them. So its not like that women were not in the Army.

  30. Ibrahim says:
    December 29th, 2006 5:07 am

    Salamalikum

    [quote post="492"]I would love to see one day on Pakistaniat, as the picture of the day, a photo of one of these women pinning down a ‘lalookheti’ on the ground[/quote]
    Great! Thanks for demeaning a whole section of a society that lives in lalookhat/Liaquatabad or nearby. Sure, lalookhati might be poor and “uncivilized”, but from what I’ve seen the ‘chichora’ people are equally divided among all the districts of Karachi. I’ve seen really worse chichorapan from people living in Defence/Clifton (south) to people living in Surjani Town (north).

  31. Akif Nizam says:
    December 29th, 2006 10:02 pm

    [quote post="492"]Thanks for demeaning a whole section of a society that lives in lalookhat[/quote]

    I’m just using an expression that’s part of the Karachi vernacular. Lalookhetis live in all parts of Karachi, not just in Lalookhet.

  32. Ghalib says:
    December 30th, 2006 8:16 pm

    wat ever change comes is given as looked upon as a stunt!a suspicion and rightly so i guess that pictrures wont change stats!woman comin in front is gud thing but the way its done by presenting them as some change overnight is wrong!we stil need to educate women so that the torch bearers of the nation shud have a golden ring of education at their hands rightly said by Napolean “give me goood mothers ill give u a great nation”
    plus we shud differentiate bw stunts and real progress!Mushs govt is more stunts than any change as he has created mnay rifts in society than to unifying them wisely just like Zia divided the nation with a name of islam an now hes enlightening the nation!
    Gud to see our women in military but they r working b4 too in medicine IT telecomm education etc.now if this msg is intended to west to show we changing the society then i must say its sad that we have to do all this drama when we theres loads of work to be done for the women like mukhtaraan shazia an unprivilidge women in villages!

  33. Partisan says:
    December 31st, 2006 9:20 am

    This is a great achievement for women in general in our male dominated society. Even if this is merely a stunt, there is still a good-feel factor associated with it, I am sure it will give hope and strength to many more women and individuals from minorities in Pakistan.

    There is certainly a change in the way our society thinks, the perception of what is right or wrong is certainly deluded. The above example is a positive one, whereas the website I cam across a few days back gave me the chills. http://www.toxicmagazine.com/665.shtml

    Here we have an economic graduate who has decided to take part in a beauty pageant and has represented Pakistan in doing so. I could not believe my eyes when I saw this, our own Pakistani girl in a bikini! Some call it ‘roshan khayali’ I certainly do not think so.

    I believe that people should be allowed to do what ever they want to do, but when it comes to representing our nation, one has to bear in mind that their individual actions may have a serious impact. I am sure Sehr Mehmood could have put her economic degree to a better use, and could have represented Pakistan in a much more dignified manner.

  34. December 31st, 2006 9:52 am

    This is not something new. Recently another Pakistani girl named Mariyah Moten misused used country name in a similar beauty contest. Many 30 plus guys here wouldn’t have forgotten Amber and Anita Ayub who officially wanted to take part in a beauty contest.

  35. Partisan says:
    December 31st, 2006 9:56 am

    A further point:

    It seems to me that the concept of ‘Roshan Khayali’ triggered through the higher powers of our country are some what limited to nach gana, and other such associated activities.

    Wouldn’t it be more meaningful to somewhat change the meaning of roshan khyali or perhaps extend the definition to say:

    1. Having one Eid instead of three (a joke in itself)
    2. Elimination of feudal system in our country which sets us back to stone ages
    3. Improving the infrastructure of the country
    4. Enhancement to the education system
    5. Removal of barriers which withhold freedom of speech for both media and individuals.
    6. Higher power accountability for their deeds.
    7. Elimination of safarish and encouragement of merit

    As you would agree I can sit here and add points till the cows come home. The fact is a lot needs to be done.

  36. MU says:
    December 31st, 2006 10:43 am

    [quote comment="22645"]Here we have an economic graduate who has decided to take part in a beauty pageant and has represented Pakistan in doing so. I could not believe my eyes when I saw this, our own Pakistani girl in a bikini! Some call it ‘roshan khayali’ I certainly do not think so.
    [/quote]

    But she did say “I like guys who are decent and have moral values…”.

    All is not lost. :)

  37. Partisan says:
    December 31st, 2006 11:07 am

    MU – I recall reading that, I must say it did make me laugh. :-)

  38. Abizaib says:
    December 31st, 2006 8:11 pm

    If you do it – its bad, and if you don’t do it – its still bad.

    What a person to do, what a government to do?Some will be pleased and some not – Life goes on; take it or leave it. ;)

  39. January 3rd, 2007 1:44 am

    This discussion is typical of Pakistani mentality, instead of applauding the fact that women are now being inducted in the armed forces, people are busy discussing women in bikinis…
    My 86 year old grandfather watched the ceremony on television and had tears in his eyes when he saw women in uniform. This was the Pakistan, the Quaid wanted, he told me. A country where minorities and women have equal standing. If nothing else, im glad that my grandfather got to see this in his life time, there arent too many things about Pakistan that he is proud of, but this small gesture made him very very proud to have fought for Pakistan…

  40. January 3rd, 2007 4:10 am

    [quote post="492"]people are busy discussing women in bikinis…[/quote]Because those souls in Biknis are Women and Pakistanis. Are not they?

    [quote post="492"]. This was the Pakistan, the Quaid wanted, he told m[/quote]

    Atleast Jinnah NEVER wanted such lame stunts in the name of women freedom. You and your dada really misinterpretated Jinnah’s vision.

  41. Abizaib says:
    January 3rd, 2007 5:28 am

    Adnan, you are one fiesty thing. Hey by the way I am not sure whats the big deal about Pakistani Bikini girls? Its their choice, they are free to do whatever they want. Who are you to judge them? No one gave you the right to judge others, and we all know the right for judgement is reserved for our Creator – so lets not assume our Creator’s job and start declaring people infidels, kaffirs or whatever. This is probably borderline or maybe full on ‘Shirq’.

    I surfed your blog, you are fond of quoting Quran and correcting people, lets see a verse that justifies your behaviour?

    Also you bitch about Mush as a dictator then impose your views upon others. I see the irony…

  42. January 3rd, 2007 7:09 am

    Adnan,
    Im not one to point fingers at people…However i take offense with your statement: “You and your dada really misinterpretated Jinnah’s vision”.
    I dont think sending women to the Quaid’s moseleum was a lame stunt, i think it was a wonderful gesture, one which should be applauded and appreciated. Lets leave it at that…
    You and i were not around when the Quaid was so we cant say whether his vision is being misrepresented but my grandfather was, so for the time being, ill take his word for it…

  43. January 3rd, 2007 8:00 am

    HuH An offense? did I abuse you and your dada? I am just disagreeing with that particular vision which was laballed as Jinnah’s vision.

    [quote post="492"]i think it was a wonderful gesture, one which should be applauded and appreciated.[/quote]

    you aree free to share your opinion and I already mentioned in same forum why this is not a genuine step towards women welfare rather sending a signal to outer world that “we are doing”. Ground realities are very different. Go thru my earlier messages.

    [quote post="492"]you are fond of quoting Quran [/quote]

    So? Does it irk you? one can quote shairs,political statments,songs, what’s wrong If I quote Quran? I am not ashamed of it, are you?

    [quote post="492"]correcting people[/quote]

    Incorrect. I prefer to follow myself first rather sounding a preacher plus “Amar BilMaroof Wanahye An munkir” is a Quranic text not mine. GO thru it!.

    [quote post="492"]Also you bitch about Mush as a dictator then impose your views upon others.[/quote]

    Its not about Mush, its all about mentality. I condemn Zia as well and condemned the things happened which caused 71 split. I was fond of Mush due to his “heroic” speeches specially Agra one but It doesn’t mean I have to “worship” him.

    I am not a ruler, I am participating like you or others. If this is called imposing views then everyone here is imposing his/her views directly/indirectly.

    [quote post="492"]I am not sure whats the big deal about Pakistani Bikini girls?[/quote]

    No offense but I would like to know that how would your family people feel if some of your family woman takes part in such contest? I believe that a “Pakistani family” wouldn’t appreciate it and for them a woman’s IZZAT is more than anything else. Replace a family with Pakistan and you would understand everything.

    so I am a mushrik now? *grin*

  44. Abizaib says:
    January 3rd, 2007 1:52 pm

    [quote post="492"]you are fond of quoting Quran
    So? Does it irk you? one can quote shairs,political statments,songs, what’s wrong If I quote Quran? I am not ashamed of it, are you?
    [/quote]

    No, it doesn’t Irk me nor I am ashamed of it, you missed my point which was this: “lets see a verse that justifies your behaviour?” – So can we or are you gonna come up with a new excuse?

    [quote]No offense but I would like to know that how would your family people feel if some of your family woman takes part in such contest? I believe that a “Pakistani familyâ€

  45. January 4th, 2007 12:17 am

    @Abizab: beside personal attacks I haven’t found any thing useful in your baseless rant. I don’t mind personal attacks and I always welcome if they help to learn something[emphasis added].

    [quote post="492"]. And again if a girl in my family did this, its still her choice and business. Who are you to dictate her what to do or not to do a[/quote]

    Offcourse I am irrelevent but yes your family members are not who would make the life of that girl hell by taunting her severely. I know you are trying to demonstrate yourself a broadminded and bold person but my friend I know that you are bold and broadminded on Internet only. I have seen lots of “moo k commando” like yours.

    Let some girl of your family take part in such contest then everyone would hear things like “KHandan me naak katwadi” etc etc. You want to say that it doesn’t happen?

    People try to demonstrate their enlightment by using others while they themselves keep their women at home and try their best that “nobody see them”. This is a Pakistani mentalityand everybody knows it. What I believe that If you dislike something for yourself, you should dislike for others as well. Many people talks about sex education in Pakistan,allowing alcholism etc etc, I say ok fine, but starts from home, bring your own family people first as role model because preaching starts from home. If you are happy with Pakistani girls taking part in bikni contest then go and start preaching your family women and girls to take part in it otherwise you would sound a hypocrite soul.

    [quote post="492"]Your involvement in my or for that matter anyone elses family business is not welcomed nor appreciated. And keep your judgements and opinions to yourself,[/quote]

    Ah, so I was right. Your family was referred and it made you pissed and you are asking me to “mind your own business”. Why? why is it not appreciated? I am just repeating your words “whats the big deal about Pakistani girls in bikni”? do you want to say that you and your family is not part of Pakistan? it’s OK to appreciate women of others families but not yours? why is it like that? beyta jis baat par tum khud amal nahi karsaktay tu usko bolo bhe nahin.

    [quote post="492"]yours as the right one is imposing. Ofcourse yours will be rejected[/quote]

    if it’s being imposed then how one could dare to reject it? ;) As you refuted yourself that everybody is free to reject hence I can’t impose anything at all *grin*.

    [quote post="492"]d nor my place to judge that;[/quote]

    this is your fatwa:

    [quote post="492"]so lets not assume our Creator’s job and start declaring people infidels, kaffirs or whatever. This is probably borderline or maybe full on ‘Shirq’.[/quote]

    what’s that? and where did you see I am demonstrating shirk on my blog or here? You have no idea what are you talking about.

    [quote post="492"]justifies your behaviour[/quote]

    And what is my behaviour? elaborate it rather giving vague statments?

  46. Baber says:
    January 4th, 2007 12:21 am

    One should never forget that there are non-Muslim Pakistanis too. And we should not impose our moral values on them.

    People who think that what the bikini gal(M.M) did is outrages then how about phusto films/posters and the one rain song with white sari in every Punjabi/Urdu movie. I may be wrong but I think generally Pakistani people are mortified about showing their liberal side to the world.

  47. TURAB says:
    January 4th, 2007 12:35 am

    I don’t get it! how my comments are strcitly moderated while some people get away with illogical and baseless floodings in the comments section.. i hope atp moderators make a note of the series of comments which completely overshadow the nice posts made on this website!

    Keep comments on topic; no personal attacks; don’t submit indecent, inflammatory, slanderous, uncivil or irrelevant comments; flamers and trolls are not welcome; inappropriate comments will be removed or edited.
    if you won’t say it to someone’s face, then don’t say it here!
    We have noted a recent inflation in the size of comments. Except in a few truly exceptional cases, please keep your comments SHORT so that they are actually read. If you need to, please link to longer elaborations elsewhere on the web rather than cutting-and-pasting them here.
    Thanks, and keep the comments coming!

    talk about double standards…….

  48. January 4th, 2007 12:42 am

    READERS. We are very concerned about the direction that some of the comments here are taking. PLEASE READ THE ATP COMMENT POLICY. We have been lenient in apply it till now but will no longer be so.

    • (1) If you have already made a point and someone did not ‘get it’, then it is fair to assume that they will not get it the next time too or that they are in not convinced by it; in either case IT DOES NOT NEED TO BE REPEATED.
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    • (5) Respect other people’s time and our bandwidth. Please.

    We value everyone’s comments and hope that you will respect the comments policy as well as this shared space and will not turn ATP into an akhara for your personal skirmishes.

  49. Uzma says:
    February 6th, 2007 9:59 am

    Salam,
    I am really impressed to see the lady cadets in Army.
    Three Cheers for all my daring and leading Pakistani lady girls.
    I wish you good luck .M waiting when It will come our turn.
    All the best.

    “Targets beyond the Sky”

  50. Ahmed Nawaz Mengal says:
    August 21st, 2007 4:36 pm

    I am proud to see the Cadets,who r serving best to pak Army day and night. Our Officers r BRAVE. I pray to God to take care of PAK ARMY. PRAY for me because i have Applied in 120 long corse PMA to become good Defender of my country PAKISTAN. PAKISTAN ZINDABAD PAKISTAN ARMY ZINDABAD

  51. asim says:
    August 25th, 2007 5:16 am

    is it roshan khiyali ? hahahhahaha very funny

  52. kamran says:
    September 27th, 2007 5:56 pm

    It is an effort for future everyone like to be a solder of pakistan army.

  53. hassan says:
    December 4th, 2007 8:48 am

    hi,
    Gen (R)parvez musharaf had done a big mistake that that women can join pak army….IN PAKISTAN MILITARY ACADEMY now there is also co education ..and whn i was living in pma because my father is an army officer so 3 woman ran 4rm pma because they have small heart so thats why it is a big mistake and 4rm now sitution in our beloved country woman cannot survive in this situation :(

  54. Munazza khan says:
    December 4th, 2007 3:59 pm

    go girlz! you are the pride of Pakistan!!!!!!!!

  55. amina says:
    January 17th, 2008 2:28 am

    salam
    girls look very amazing in the uniform inshahallah i will also join army bcoz i love my army .i want to join army.kindly help me abt army

  56. afshan says:
    February 26th, 2008 1:42 am

    i love army

  57. khaliqa says:
    March 1st, 2008 2:45 am

    must say the lady in the uniform looks rocking.i wish i could join army now but i gota wait for 6 years for my MA.but to all lady cadet , work hard and be a honest officer.

  58. March 8th, 2008 8:38 am

    SALAM to all janab mojhy army behad pasand hai or man army join karna chahta hon

  59. Abbas says:
    May 18th, 2008 4:03 pm

    I m crazy about army ??Inshallah after one year i will apply 4 the army nd inshallah i will selectd

  60. hiba khan says:
    May 19th, 2008 11:23 am

    i love pakistan army . i also want to join army bt i cant join it bec i am doing my b.s hons bt i have craze for army n i will inshallah try to join army in future.

  61. Rafay Kashmiri says:
    August 3rd, 2008 6:23 am

    @ This post is surely promotional pub for our valiant but
    abused, Armies, I am so encouraged, that I must say,
    filbadih :

    Dekh ke yeh hasi’n cherey,
    Askari mahazon par,
    Chahta hey dil,
    hazzeri,hum bhi laga lein apni ! !

    Rafay Kashmiri

    Pak-Army Zindahbaad

  62. August 12th, 2008 12:12 pm

    ASSALAM O ALAIKUM to all of U…..
    I Love Pakistan ARMY & I Want to join Pak ARMY Please Pray 4 Me……!

  63. Fahad Hassan says:
    September 18th, 2008 5:49 am

    Its my dream to become a soldier of Pak Army. pray 4me plz.!! When Im selected(INSHALLAH) I’ll take Nishan e Haider INSHALLAH.!!

  64. Hammad says:
    November 7th, 2008 7:46 am

    i love my ARMY bcoz i want to defend my country and i also want to become the officer of PAKISTAN ARMY.

  65. H. Maryam says:
    December 17th, 2008 10:19 am

    Seems totally absurd and silly!
    Pak army could have worked on much better projects than this silly one. We don’t want a useless army like the American one. Ours is supposed to be based on Iman, Taqwa and Jihad fi Sabeel illah. This is not a secular country.

  66. December 18th, 2008 7:29 am

    We should realy respect all Officers & Jawans of all three forces ( Pakistan Army, Pakistan Navy & Pakistan Airforce) , they are the dare of the nation and shield of protection to Islamic Republic Of Pakistan.
    They nation is always with them when and where the needed.

  67. March 10th, 2009 1:58 am

    i want to join pma

  68. April 3rd, 2009 7:49 am

    Pakistan is proud of Army, and Army proud of Pakistan. God bless all Pakistani brothers and sisters.

    Whether you decide to join the Army, or decide to live civilian life —just remember a few things.

    Hard work, dedication, spirituality, kindness, compassion and strides towards self-growth are most important things a citizen can do not just for him/herself, but also for the country.

    Always have faith in yourself. Even in most difficult circumstances and environment. We are a beautiful country with beautiful people. Work hard and give back to the motherland!

    Love to All.

    PAKISTAN ZINDABAD

  69. M JAHANGIR KHAN says:
    October 9th, 2009 5:55 am

    I LOVE PAKISTAN ARMY& I EANT TO JOIN ARMY PLZ PRAY FOR ME

  70. Ahmad Nadeem says:
    February 19th, 2010 1:47 pm

    I love Pakistan and i love Pakistan Army force and one day i go in PMA long course INSALLAH

  71. Ahmad Nadeem says:
    February 19th, 2010 1:51 pm

    I LOVE PAKISTAN ARMY& I EANT TO JOIN ARMY PLZ PRAY FOR ME (INSALLAH)

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