Is the Justice Movement Over? I Hope Not.

Posted on November 16, 2008
Filed Under >Adil Najam, History, Law & Justice, Music, Pakistanis Abroad, People, Poetry, Society
50 Comments
Total Views: 36254

Share

Adil Najam

Chief Justice Iftikhar Chaudhry arrives in USA today for a speaking tour, including a visit to the Harvard Law School to receive their Medal of Freedom. One wonders if this is the last hurray for a dying cause or yet another reminder that this is a cause that refuses to die?

On the face of it, Asif Ali Zardari’s elected government has done what Gen. Pervaiz Musharraf’s military government could not. All but the most diehard have given up on the hope for the restoration of Justice Chaudhry. But is the “Justice Movement” also dead?

For Pakistan’s sake, one hopes not.

Chief Justice Iftikhar Chaudhry was, and remains, the face of the Justice Movement. But the Justice Movement was always bigger than him. Those who were mobilized by the movement were mobilized by much more than an ousted judge. Indeed, they were mobilized by more than just a disdain for military rule. Ultimately, they were mobilized by the idea that justice, as a concept, must prevail. That the integrity of nations flows from the integrity of its institutions. That, ultimately, the democratic spirit of a people is always more important than any leader – whether that of a judicial system, that of a military junta, or even that of an elected government.

As I had written way back on March 23, 2007:

Gen. Musharraf himself, and his supporters, view this as a conspiracy against his person. It may not be a conspiracy but his opponents certainly view this as an opportunity to bring an end – or at least seriously dent – his regime. There are, of course, also those who view – or wish to construct – Chief Justice Iftikhar Chaudhry as an arch villain or as a supreme hero. He is probably neither, but as a man caught in the cross-hairs of history he is well aware of the pivotal role that his person plays out in this unfolding saga…

This is not just about what Gen. Musharraf did, not about how Iftikhar Chaudhry reacted; the real story is about how the citizenry of Pakistan reacted. There is little surprise in either the actions of Gen. Musharraf or the reaction of the Chief Justice. The surprise lies in how people reacted – Lawyers on the street, media in their newsrooms, bloggers in bloggistan, and ordinary citizens everywhere in their thaRRas, drawing rooms, email lists and everywhere else.

That is ultimately what matters. If this spirit can be sustained then the future of democracy in Pakistan is secure; whether it comes with or without the current setup… This has been Pakistan’s democratic moment; that I find it to be a moment worthy of celebration because it signifies that trapped inside an “undemocratic state” lies a vibrant and clearly “democratic society.”

We remain, I believe, a democratic society. We now also have an elected government. But it is not yet clear whether we are a democratic state. If we are ever to become one, then the Justice Movement must never die.

P.S. The video above is a GEO TV production based on Aitizaz Ahsan’s poem Kal, Aaj aur Kal which he had written while under house arrest. Whatever poetic merits the poem might lack it is an immensely powerful and honest political statement. So is this video. Both are powerful not only because of the sense of history that they embody, but also because of the hopes of the future that they embody.

50 Comments on “Is the Justice Movement Over? I Hope Not.”

  1. PAKISTAN ZINDABAD says:
    November 16th, 2008 12:26 am

    Adil Bhai

    Thank you so much for this thoughtful post and keeping the hope alive. Yes, the movement must not die. Here is the schedule for the Chief Justice. For those in the USA I urge people to participate if they can.

    16th Nov 2008

    Reception at JFK Airport

    Please gather outside terminal 4 at 2 pm. The Chief Justice will be arriving at JFK on EK 201.

    Community Dinner in NY

    Pakistani Community in New York has organized a major community dinner at 7 pm at Paradise East Catering and Dining- 1223 Coney island ave between H & I ave Brooklyn (little Pakistan) New York.11230.

    17th Nov 2008

    The New York City Bar Association

    The Presentation of an Honorary Membership to Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry. For his role as Chief judge of Pakistan in defending the rule of law. At 6:00 P.M. with a reception to follow at the House of the Association 42 West 44th Street, New York.

    18th Nov 2008

    Pakistani Supreme Court Chief Justice Visits Fordham Law
    Time: 3:00pm
    Location: McNally Amphitheatre

    19th Nov 2008

    Presentation of the Harvard Law School Medal of Freedom
    to Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of Pakistan Iftikhar Chaudhry in recognition of his courageous efforts to
    uphold the rule of law. 10:00 a.m. Ames Courtroom, Austin Hall, Harvard Law School.

    19th Nov 2008

    National Lawyers Guild Event in PA

    21st Nov 2008

    Prayer at a mosque in NY.

    24th Nov 2008

    Georgetown University Law Center
    (Hotung International Law Building, Room 2001), The address is 600 New Jersey Avenue N.W (not on main campus) Expected time: 6 pm

  2. wasiq says:
    November 16th, 2008 12:45 am

    If Democracy is a good thing than so is the lawyers movement, but both have already proven they come with a lot of baggage in Pakistan. The question really is when does the chaos and uncertainty of democratic movements in Pakistan more than compensated for by the growth and maturity endowing effects of institutional coherence, continuity, and popular legitimacy? I think Indonesia was a hopeful example of an ultimately successful transition from Suharto’s dictatorship in 1997 to the stable regular one party democracy it is today. Mexico also evolved this way, but can Pakistan overcome the baggage like Indonesia?

  3. Aamir Al says:
    November 16th, 2008 12:50 am

    Perhaps for the lawyers and some supporters, their movement was really about rule of law, but for many others in Pakistan, it was just a way to attack Musharraf and remove him from power. With that objective achieved, nobody cares about lawyers or Iftikhar Chaudhry anymore.

  4. Abdullah says:
    November 16th, 2008 1:20 am

    I think history will remember Iftikhar Chaudhry as the hero and both Musharraf and Zardari as the losers. Not because he is a better person, but because at the moment when he was tested, he stood by his principles and both Zardari and Musharraf sold their souls.

  5. Shiraz says:
    November 16th, 2008 3:13 am

    Dear Dr. Adil Najam,

    I am astonish to see support for a person who defied constitution himself many times by taking oath on PCO.

    This is sensitive position and we cannot be restoring a person who broke his oath. This is WRONG legal precedent.

    Correct way is to remove every Judge who took oath under PCO, and appoint new Judges for LIFE TIME for Supreme Court. That will be legal precedent once for all.

    Pakistanis are emotional and will come to street without understanding real context of issue!!

    So I am happy that PPP has not restored ex Chief Justice Iftikhar.

  6. Eidee Man says:
    November 16th, 2008 4:34 am

    The video is excellent; I don’t think the poem is lacking in any area whatsoever, its beauty is in its simplicity; after all, its meant for the whole of Pakistan, most of whom cannot understand complicated Urdu.

    Also, I must add, the fact that they give “special thanks” to Mustafa Kamal in the end has to be the mother of all ironies, especially given MQM’s front-and-center role in the massacres last year.

  7. Ahmad says:
    November 16th, 2008 7:51 am

    Whatever Justice Iftikhar Chaudhary did in the past, his “no” in front of dictator and his aides has changed the history..he is certainly the hero and symbol of independent judiciary..Salute to lawyers on their marvelous movement.. Zardari, Naik and Co. will soon lick the ground.

  8. November 16th, 2008 7:53 am

    Its Great honur of Pakistan that any Judge have been awarded for the Harvard’s Medal of Freedom and NY Bar Lifetime Membership, first time in its history of 130 years to any non-American. And I 100% agree, Lawyers Movemnet is not ended infact after this international recognization, it will further take a boost.

  9. Eidee Man says:
    November 16th, 2008 8:06 am

    Zindabad Bhai,

    can you be more specific:

    National Lawyers Guild Event in PA

    Where exactly, in PA?

  10. Watan Aziz says:
    November 16th, 2008 8:53 am

    “The CJ of Pakistan” is John Marshall (American) of Pakistan.

    What Wiki says about John Marshal is what most Pakistanis think about “The CJ of Pakistan”. I quote Wiki, “Most notably, he established that the courts are entitled to exercise judicial review, the power to strike down laws that violate the Constitution. Thus, Marshall has been credited with cementing the position of the judiciary as an independent and influential branch of government.” We all have flaws, he has his, but he is a shining inheritor of traditions of Cornelius and Jan of Pakistan and took it to new heights.

    I hope he gets wall-to-wall coverage in media as opposed to politics of hate, fear and division. I hope all peaceful people who care about equity and justice embrace “The CJ of Pakistan”.

    Pakistan Zindabad
    Pakistan Paindabad

  11. Shiraz says:
    November 16th, 2008 10:30 am

  12. Jabbar says:
    November 16th, 2008 11:07 am

    Good writeup.

    Yes, the justice movement is bigger than any person, even Iftikhar Chaudhry. I think Zardari will find like Musharraf did that he can stop this Chief Justice from his office but he cannot stop the tide of history and the will of the people.

    Frankly, I think Nawaz Sharif has also now started losing the new respect that many people had for him by becoming quiet on this issue.

    Musharraf’s ultimate end came because he did not understand what this movement was really about. I think Zaradari’s mistake is going to be the same. Maybe in his case it will be some other issue, but the movement will be the same. The movement not to let anyone play with national institutions like this.

  13. Siraj Khan says:
    November 16th, 2008 2:24 pm

    Adil

    I just noticed that the total hits for the movie review of Khuda Ke Liye are more than they were for BB’s assassination.

    Am not sure whether that is good or bad, but it sure gives a glimmer of hope that Pakistan’s film industry isn’t dead and to quote Sahir

    Ghata me chhupke ke sitaray fana nahee hotay…….

  14. hAaMi says:
    November 16th, 2008 3:46 pm

    Khud ro, har dor men ug aata hai
    Jaron tak zehri ye boota karna chaahta hun
    farishta iftikhar choudhri bhi naheen lekin
    Men parvez musharraf ko jhoota karna chahta hun.

  15. Ayesha says:
    November 16th, 2008 5:38 pm

    While it is true that this movement is far bigger than the person of Iftikhar Chaudhry and that the interest and activism it has perpetuated worthy of more celebration than the CJ’s “no”, I think the post trivializes the CJ’s contribution.

    I don’t think it is true that anybody in his place would have done the same, as we have seen in history. And to say that he is somewhere in between a hero and a villain is also untrue. We are all human and have flaws, so he is not an angel, but he is certainly a hero. His decisions were by and large excellent and there is a reason why so many people supported him.

  16. D_a_n says:
    November 16th, 2008 6:16 pm

    oh its over all right….

    and it took democracy to kill it…..! reminds me of my favourite comic strip…’Bizzaro’…

  17. Muhammad says:
    November 16th, 2008 7:15 pm

    A beautiful article. As a young Pakistani the entire justice movenment has served as an inspiration not just to me but to an entire generation of Pakistanis growing up right now. I sincerly hope that the justice movenment does not die out but as I am something of a pessimist when it comes to Pakistani politics, I unfortunatly think it will. Even if it dies out its light will not be extinguished easily…it will continue to survive in those who took part in or were inspired by the justice movenment. It will be buried but shall resurface at the next great challenge to the rule of law that this country faces and maybe just maybe this movenment shall slowly transform Pakistan. This is a little idealistic but I have my fingers crossed in hope.

  18. Nihari says:
    November 16th, 2008 7:21 pm

    Unfortunately it’s over….Nobody can live after stabs to it heart…The Brutuses of this Caesar are as follows:

    1. The democratic government who are nothing but a pretty bad impression of the Musharraf govt…
    2.PML (N) who are just guftar ka ghazi
    3. But the main stabber has been Aitezaz Ahsan who tried to ride two boats at one time and in the end drowned the CJ and civil movement.

    In the end the masses realized that this movement has been another bad dream like the Nizam-e- Mustafa movement of the 70s. There is no use coming to the streets and fight for democracy because there is no difference between the army and usual gang of idiots (politicians). Let’s see when the next clown general will come.

    aaye fatiha parihaye

  19. Riaz Haq says:
    November 16th, 2008 7:37 pm

    Any democratically elected government in any democracy should be wary of judges who have shown a penchant to usurp executive powers and constantly interfere with the routine executive decisions on routine matters ranging from road closings to kite flying. Democracy requires everyone, including judges, to know and respect the separate powers granted by the constitution to each of the three branches of government in a democracy. Unfortunately, Justice Chowdhry has shown repeatedly that he is incapable of that.

    People who are honoring him with medals would not want to have him as a judge on any of their their benches, much less the chief justice.

  20. ASAD says:
    November 16th, 2008 8:04 pm

    Ayesha, are you sure you are reading the same post the rest of us are?

    I don’t see where the post says or implies that the CJ is “somewhere in between a hero and a villain.” Instead, the post is making the point that he is followed exactly because at the moment of crisis he took a principled decision.

    I wish people would actually read what they comment on!

  21. ASAD says:
    November 16th, 2008 8:53 pm

    This is from THE NEWS about Iftikhar Chaudhry’s reception in New York:

    Deposed chief justice Iftikhar Mohammad Chaudhry arrived in New York where hundreds of people warmly welcomed him.

    Sami Ibrahim of Geo News reported that the hundreds of people relating to Pakistani community including students, workers of political parties, lawyers and civil society warmly received deposed chief justice Iftikhar Mohammad Chaudhry at the JF Kennedy Airport of New York.

    On this occasion, flower petals were showered on the deposed chief justice and enthusiast slogans were chanted in favour of the restoration of the chief justice and against the government.

    According to sources, a convoy of more than four dozen vehicles came to the airport to receive the deposed chief justice and this convoy will take him to the hotel where he would stay during the visit.

  22. Usman says:
    November 16th, 2008 9:31 pm

    I respected Iftikhar Chaudhry and his determination to defy the previous government for the sake of justice. But when he turned to politicians such as Aitizaz Ahsan for support, I became suspicious of his intentions.

    If he was really innocent and truly believed in justice – he wouldn’t have turned to people like Aitizaz Ahsan for help. Aitizaz Ahsan, for all his purported intellectual mindset is still the person who defended Benazir and Zardari in 14 anti-corruption cases and served under them as Federal Minister/various other capacities. No one can deny that Benazir and Zardari were one of the most corrupt leaders we have had. Anyone who was willing to defend them in court – surely has little regard for justice and certainly does not deserve respect.

    The final straw was when Iftikhar Chaudhry turned to Nawaz Sharif for help. Nawaz Sharif himself had illegaly removed Chief Justice Sajjad Ali Shah and whose party members had stormed the Supreme Court.

    The political expediency that Nawaz Sharif and Aitizaz Ahsan showed in supporting Iftikhar Chaudhry only reflected their desire to unseat Musharraf – who I admit should have resigned long before all this – as far back as 2005. But the nation was clearly misled by false prophets such as Iftikhar Chaudry and Aitizaz when they turned out for their support. The partnership of Iftikhar Ch./Aitizaz/Nawaz Sharif was just a nexus between selfish, and self-serving anti-government forces whose interests coincided only so far as the removal of Musharraf was concerned.

    Our awaam forgot the pasts of Aitizaz (who now poses as a champion of justice and once defended Benazir and Zardari in court) and voted Zardari into power. One of the major reasons for this is that our awaam is ill-informed and was misled.

    We should stop hoping for justice by looking toward political figures and Chief justices with suspect motives. We have to care about Pakistan and try to make a difference in our daily lives for Pakistan if we are really to move closer to an ideal of justice. Start off by doing your duty and not breaking laws like evading or not paying taxes at all, breaking red light at the signal, overcharging/fleecing customers in our businesses, littering, becoming more informed citizens and helping others become more informed too.

    Its convenient for Pakistanis who are living abroad to act as advocates of justice and express hope that the so-called justice movement is strengthened. They look towards Lawyer’s movement/the people who turned out in its support/Aitizaz/former CJ and keep glorifying them (taakeh hum relax hojaeein aur haath pe haath rakhay baithay rahein). If you are really concerned about Pakistan do something concrete to strengthen Pakistan or to contribute. At the very least, try to analyse current affairs in a better way and unmask the false prophets for they really are.

  23. Ayesha says:
    November 16th, 2008 9:50 pm

    Asad,

    This is the part of the post I was referring to:

    “There are, of course, also those who view – or wish to construct – Chief Justice Iftikhar Chaudhry as an arch villain or as a supreme hero. He is probably neither, but as a man caught in the cross-hairs of history he is well aware of the pivotal role that his person plays out in this unfolding saga

  24. Raheem says:
    November 16th, 2008 10:49 pm

    Geo

  25. AMIN PANAAWALA says:
    November 17th, 2008 4:02 am

    After a long time of our history a man /a pakistan/a marde mujahid,Chief Justice Iftikhar Choudhry has raised ih voice against misdeeds by Gneral Mushrraf and his people whom he was supporting them in lieu of their support to save his throne. For that he was under gonemany cruelties but saved from death by advoctes movement with the support of media and civil society.but his remains are still there in government/parliament.MARDE MUJAHID PURI MUSLIM/PAKISTANI QUAM KA SALAMSWITH DUA FOR OUR SUCCESS

  26. maskeenel says:
    November 17th, 2008 6:38 pm

    For God sake, don’t make him what he is not. He was planted by Mushrrif and plucked. He served the purpose. There is not mard in him. If he had it he would not have joined in the lst. place. Let this mard rest for now and look for one who really is. This mujahid is not even a mard!

  27. Shiraz says:
    November 17th, 2008 6:49 pm

    He will get his medals and will retire and we will continue to have PCO judges…

    Best thing he can do is to tell PPP to fire all PCO judges including him and appoint new for life in Supreme Court.

    if HE thinks it is NOT ABOUT HIM, then why would not he do this ? He is controversial anyways..and we dont want controversy in Supreme Court..Don’t you guys watch how Executive and Justices stay away from each other..even meetings are carefully setup so as not to give even an iota of Executive Influence…..

    If not, Lawyers movement will fade away…

  28. Shiraz says:
    November 17th, 2008 7:00 pm

    As Che’s video was on this post so thought to share one of his quote.. [add Iftikhar and Musharraf where appropriate]
    Justice remains the tool of a few powerful interests; legal interpretations will continue to be made to suit the convenience of the oppressor powers .

    and reflect on what Jefferson said..none of which PCO-tainted Iftikhar has…

    The judges… should always be men of learning and experience in the laws, of exemplary morals, great patience, calmness and attention; their minds should not be distracted with jarring interests; they should not be dependent upon any man or body of men. To these ends they should hold estates for life in their offices, or, in other words, their commissions should be during good behavior, and their salaries ascertained and established by law.” –Thomas Jefferson to George Wythe, 1776. ME 4:259, Papers 1:410 ?

  29. Shiraz says:
    November 17th, 2008 7:06 pm

    and last.

    PCO judges to be punished: Iftikhar
    http://www.dawn.com/2008/05/26/top7.htm

    If he is MAN of principles, should he NOT punish himself for using PCO and ditching Constitution of Pakistan ?

    I wrote to NY Bar President and Mr. Amjad Malik (Solicitor

  30. ShahidnUSA says:
    November 17th, 2008 7:11 pm

    This movement shows that pakistanis are becoming more civilized except that chaos they caused at the airport while recieving Mr chaudary.
    The usual and traditional mash pit like bad habit of pushing and shoving.
    Ten years ago I paid for the mash pit at the Green day concert.
    Someone there pinched my butt and I didnt mind it but now I am an adult. Anybody pushes me or rest arms arround my shoulder without my permission he or she would “violate” my boundaries.
    Sorry I got carried away while I am excited about CJ visit to my
    country.
    I hope this movement is not about “self promoting” but about emphasizing the concept and the integrity of the institutions.

  31. USMAN says:
    November 18th, 2008 1:12 am

    You are exactly right Adil Najam. This movement is a movement for the people of Pakistan and of their hopes for a better Pakistan. It is bigger than all individuals.

  32. Aqil Sajjad says:
    November 18th, 2008 1:07 pm

    The CJ got a big welcome when he arrived at JFK on sunday. Unfortunately the media is downplaying it but you can see the video

    HERE

  33. Immi Bhai says:
    November 19th, 2008 4:44 am

    This whole ‘Lawyer’s movement’ is such a farce. The likes of Aitzaz Ahsan and Ch. Iftikhar just needed leverage in order to propel their own and their paymaster’s political careers.
    Ch. Iftikhar turned our 3rd most corrupt institute (the judiciary) into political grounds by running away from the Supreme Judicial Council and into the arms of political touts such as Aitzaz Ahsan (a known supporter of PPP and defender of corrupt practices of Benazir and Zardari in the courts). If he had not done anything wrong then why did he not face the SJC instead of turning this issue into a political stunt?
    The pseudo liberals of Pakistan got carried away with the sham slogans of ‘civil society’ and ‘democracy’ without even thinking that the only one to bring any real figment of democracy was actually the one they called ‘the dictator’.
    Further more old looters such as Nawaz Sharif capitalized on the situation by joining the band wagon so as to extort revenge from the person who threw these goons out in the first place.

    In the end the nation shot itself in the foot by getting carried away in popular sentiments without actually ever thinking as to what was going on in the first place.

  34. Faraz says:
    November 19th, 2008 9:01 am

    Here’s a new and innovative way to loot the country: Bring back 1000s of govt employees from previous administrations, promote them blindly, AND reimburse them with salaries for the years they didn’t even work. Is Zardari paying for this using his personal assets too, like he supposedly did for taking 240 of his friends to Saudi Arabia?

    Source DAWN.net http://tinyurl.com/6kn84e

    The federal government has approved the reinstatment of 6,400 employees who were removed by the previous administration. The prime minister will issue a formal notification next week. The suspended employees will be paid their dues for the last three years while the remaining dues would be paid after financial conditions improve.
    Sources said that all the employees will be promoted to the next grade and their payments will be given in one installment.

  35. Aamir Ali says:
    November 19th, 2008 9:00 pm

    Domestic and foreign media seems to be ignoring CJ’s visit to America. It makes sense, the CJ has no “news value” left no more as Mr Musharraf is no longer in office.

    Amusing to still see folk who think this lawyer movement was actually about jamhuriyat, aaem, “awam kee adalat” and other baloney.

  36. Viqar Minai says:
    November 20th, 2008 1:20 am

    Whether the media downplays it, or Musharraf loyalists put it down, Justice Chaudhry’s courage in 2007 – notwithstanding his earlier blessing of the PCO – and the subsequent lawyers’s movement to fight for the independence of the judiciary in Pakistan was a very historic moment in the political struggle for a free Pakistan.

    If there is ever to be the slightest hope of Pakistan becoming truly free and democratic, it CANNOT HAPPEN without the independence of it judiciary. True there is a huge character and political leadership deficit in Pakistan at present; and there is no overnight cure for it. The nation is in the dumps for lots of justifiable reasons; but it is from here that it has to rise up, slowly and extremely painfully, if ever. Whatever his real or imagined sins of omission and commission in the past, the CJP’s stance in standing up to the establishment was indisputably a small redemptive step.

    A few days ago a writer in this space asked: “who will keep the media of Pakistan honest?”. The answer has been starkly clear, yet as elusive as ever. IT IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE PEOPLE OF PAKISTAN; that is ALL of us. It always was; and it always will be. We all have to do it in the streets of Pakistan. And without an independent judiciary manned by people of character there isn’t a prayer of hope.

    Those who are denigrating this struggle are condemning not just themselves, but the entire nation, to perpetual bondage and an inglorious end.

    mujhe fitrat navaa par pae ba pae majboor karti hae
    abhi mehfil meiN ho shaayed koi dard aashna baaQi

  37. coldrain says:
    November 21st, 2008 12:18 am

    I just want to tell you guys that I had the good fortune of being at Harvard day before yesterday to watch the real CJP Iftikhar Muhammad Choudhary recieve the Harvard Law School Medal of Freedom. It is something that all Pakistanis should be proud of. Dont let the pessimists and cynics get to you. Regardless of the past of the individuals concerned, they have succeeded in giving a new generation of Pakistanis hope. It is upto the youth, to struggle and shape their future. If we want our destiny to be different from that of our forefathers, we will have to work for it. Sitting on your ass and critisizing things is going to get you nowhere.

    The movement is very much alive and there is much to hope and struggle for.

  38. RAUF says:
    November 21st, 2008 6:06 am

    It is quite clear that teh Justice Movement lives. No matter what happens to this CJ.

    Ultimately, the people of Pakistan ARE greater than any government… Musharraf’s or Zardari’s or anyone else.

  39. S.A. HASHMI says:
    November 21st, 2008 6:29 am

    The fact that we are still talking about this so many months down the road shows that this is a real movement and not just a political show.

    I predict that the future of Pakistan politics will be defined by this movement, no matter what is happening to it now.

  40. kj says:
    November 21st, 2008 6:42 am

    Well I hope this movement works because it has been stretched for way to long.
    Situation is the same and it seems like that the movement will die out soon.Lets just pray that whatever happens in future happens for the betterment of Pakistan.

  41. Mahwish says:
    November 21st, 2008 7:33 am

    The optimism that coldrain; November 21st, 2008 12:18 am has shown in his comments is really refreshing to read. But the fact remains that the majority begs to differ and this really saddens me. All this situation has done is intensifying their fears and lack of trust in our law enforcers to ten folds. But I too feel that the youth will have to be more aware of what

  42. kiran says:
    November 21st, 2008 9:02 am

    I believe that the youth is aware of situation of our country therfeore they are sick and tired of the whole sitaution.The movement is not going any where,it has rather become a stretch.But all one can do is just wait around for things to be resolved.
    Mahwish says in her comments that optimistic approach is all we need but our country needs more than optimistiam.

  43. sara says:
    November 21st, 2008 9:07 am

    I just read kiran’s comment and I feel that someone in this country has taken the action for justice. One should support them because they are working for a cause and an optimistic approach is step toward betterment of our country.

  44. Anum Khan says:
    November 21st, 2008 9:20 am

    Its very sad that this situstion has been so dragged and no solution has come out of it, well i guess that always happens, “slow n steady win the race”, so one should not loose hope and keep striving and struggling in such times. and i second both sara n kiran on it! like gandhi said,” be the change, you want to see!”and jinnah said, “united we stand divided we fall”

  45. Aamir Ali says:
    November 21st, 2008 11:44 am

    The lawyers movement is dying politically and in the public. Only the media is keeping it alive, and the non-coverage the CJ received on his visit to the US is a further blow.

    The youth of the country should reflect on how their emotions got played by the politicians, with the shameful result that Asif Zardari, an uneducated crook is now your President.

  46. Nida says:
    November 22nd, 2008 12:27 am

    Even i agree with Anum, that giving up is not the solution, but we need to also see that this whole cheif justice situation has been prolonged and a little mis used. i feel that even this excuse is now being used by the opposition party just to make thier own standing strong!

  47. Watan Aziz says:
    November 22nd, 2008 9:49 am

    The Executive wanted to dismiss the Chief. He arranged for a new straw chief to take the oath of the office. The Chief responded by standing firm and flew straight in the face of tyranny. His defiance was at the risk to his own life, liberty and property.

    In the unfolding drama, Pakistanis everywhere could see a desperate but naked grab for power. They rallied for and around the chief and denounced the tyrant.

    The year was 1999 and the chief was General Pervaiz Musharraf.

    Did you expect another chief?

    The general issued the dismissal. Posted police outside the residence. Posted police outside the court with strict orders to make sure the dismissed cannot get to the court for relief. Nevertheless, the petition did get filed and a non-Muslim Justice agreed with the dismissed. A history was made and quoted in the books about jurisprudence.

    The governor general was Ghulam Muhammad and the year was 1954 when he dismissed the first constituent assembly on the grounds that “The constituent assembly being power hungry and having a tendency of being corrupt.” The non-Muslim justice was Cornelius.

    Did you expect another general?

  48. azaad says:
    November 22nd, 2008 4:18 pm

    I personally exactly feel exactly as Mahwish stated this is our country and without us it cannot be where we dream, for it to be. I think now it is time for action. This patriotism that we all seem to be so proud to show off but when it comes to doing something worth while for this land we are too scared to even get out our shed of protection.We all now have to wake up dreaming time is up.

  49. DuFFeR says:
    November 23rd, 2008 5:38 am

    if justice movement have and end ever, the nation will have an end

  50. sardar ashraf khan says:
    December 14th, 2008 11:21 am

    Justice Chaudry’s son, Arsalan failed in the Intermediate Examination, his result was changed and he got admission in Bolan Medical College in gross violation of merit. Later Justice Chaudry coerced the Chief Minister and forcefully got inducted as an officer of grade 17 in the Health Department of Balouchistan Government on a non existing post.
    To please his beloved son who was not happy with his job as a doctor, Justice Chaudry used his influence to get him posted in FIA headquarters against a non existing post . DG FIA protested but the Ministry told him to keep quite lest the CJP gets annoyed.
    After a while when Doctor Arsalan was not happy serving at FIA, his father ordered the Ministry to send him for training at the Police Academy Sihala. On being told that training at Sihala was meant only for formally inducted police officers, the CJP got annoyed and conveyed to the authorities that orders of the CJP were final.
    After a few weeks in Sihala, Doctor Arsalan was ill legally posted to the Punjab Police. At Lahore he started wearing police uniform without having been inducted in the police and gave himself the rank of an SP. IG Punjab protested but was advised to keep quite. The IG was ordered to send Doctor Arsalan for a foreign course to Turkey on which a senior police officer after due selection was supposed to go.
    The CJP told the Ministry of Interior to induct Arsalan in Police. He was advised that rules did not allow induction of a grade 17 officer in the police without selection through the Federal Public Service Commission. On this the Chief Justice ordered ill legal promotion of his son to grade 18 with only five months of service where as this grade is earned after a mandatory 5 years of service. Thereafter, he told the establishment to transfer him to Police as he was no more in grade 17. The establishment division objected to the ill legal demand on which the Establishment Secretary was summoned by the CJP at residence in the middle of the night and warned not to obstruct.
    The CJP visited the PM at his residence , several times, often late at night, for waiver on rules to facilitate Arsalan’s induction in the police. On being told that the PM did not have authority, the CJP got very annoyed with the PM.
    The above facts are part of the evidence available on record.
    Besides favours to his son there are other serious charges of misconduct against Chaudry.
    Justice Chaudry is a beneficiary of the public outrage against an unpopular government which was ousted through the elections. The Supreme Court at that time too refused to investigate charges against a brother judge (for self serving purpose). Charges against Justice Dogar are serious and must be investigated, preferably, in camera, by a non political body. To ensure fair play this body should also look into favours of parental love of Justice Chaudry.
    An unbiased investigation could pave the way forward and free the nation from a hostage like situation that has been created by the judicial crisis since the last two years.

Have Your Say (Bol, magar piyar say)