Disturbing Images from Islamabad: Shameful and Needless Violence Against Lawyers and Protestors

Posted on September 29, 2007
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The stream of disturbing images from Islamabad continues. It has left one dumbfounded. But one must never be silent in the face of injustice. Of the many disturbing reports and images that have been floating in, there is probably none more poignantly disturbing than this one from ARY:

Violence, of course, can only beget violence, and one saw this too in the manhandling of the State Minister for Information, Tariq Azeem. Yet more evidence that violence is replacing discourse as the mode of disagreement in Pakistani society.

This is not a question of which side you are on. Ultimately you have to be against violence. We have written about shameful violence and police brutality before – tearing down the shalwar of a young man in a ‘missing persons’ protest and then also against the lawyers during the CJ movement. But this is not just shameful; it is needless. Now there are also reports of muzzling the media; another tactic we have seen before. It demonstrates the government’s slipping grip on power, but it also demonstrates a society that is so torn that every issues – may it be religious, social or political – has to end in violence.

The government, after all, has already gotten the verdict it wanted. At least let the people vent out their anger. There is nothing to be gained from this violence. For a nation that has already lost so much, this is merely also losing whatever little dignity that might have remained. As I have written already in a comment elsewhere, history shall judge the merit of the decision that was given by the Supreme Court on the 28th of September, but the violence of the 29th of September was shameful and needless and will remain (yet another) blot of our national political psyche.

50 Comments on “Disturbing Images from Islamabad: Shameful and Needless Violence Against Lawyers and Protestors”

  1. September 29th, 2007 4:29 pm

    Adil Bhai,

    You hit the nail on the head with every word you have said, the SC 6 judges cowed in to GHQ yet still Musharraf persists in being the author of more blood and destruction.

    The rubicon has been crossed for the SC is not free even if the CJ is and he will be for how long? I have called for time and time again for a peaceful way out, this nation needs healing not more division but Musharraf refuses to entertain it. He wants blood also do remember his role vis a vis the blood of May 12th and note that both atrocities were authored from GHQ. I once again plead to President Musharraf to heed my advice in my open letter to him available by clicking this link http://www.otherpakistan.org/archive.html

    To the people of Pakistan I ask a simple question why should ONLY LAWYERS AND CIVIL SOCIETY STAND UP FOR PAKISTAN?. We need all of the people of Pakistan to stand up to this vile military regime by doing the most simple of things – PEACEFUL PROTEST. So I urge especially my fellow Pakistanis especially the students from tomorrow to protest in their main bazaars and cities every day with the simple naara ‘ Go Musharraf Go’ . If we choose to remain silent then Pakistan will go to the dogs, and we will deserve it.

    Feimanallah

    Wasim

  2. September 29th, 2007 4:38 pm

    A Riot is a Riot against the establishment and will succeed the risings of Pakistan peoples in every corner for more participation at the judiciary system and educational supremacy. My best wishes for the rioting lawyers and their schedule.

    Try to organize alternative lawsuits for these one who got imprisoned by throwing and battle the uniformed state liability.

    SALAAM!

  3. mai says:
    September 29th, 2007 5:26 pm

    A country created in the name of Islam, yet you see this in the holy month of ramazan.

    KHUDA KAY LIYE … stop this.

    peace

  4. September 29th, 2007 5:28 pm

    If first step is illegal then there is nothing legal afterward. What so ever done in capital just depicts the out come of old illegal moves/steps taken.

    Aim is only one which is not possible legally anywhere in world. To achieve that we should expect such steps to curb any hurdle…

    This is not a new thing as already we are having Jungle ka Qanoon.

  5. Classof71 says:
    September 29th, 2007 5:29 pm

    What happened was indeed sad and “shameful” to use the very Pakistani term. But let us acknowledge that

    1. The actual perpetrators of these atrocities is not Pervez Musharraf and his people but our neo-colonial masters to whom an ordinary Pakistani’s life means nothing ( and whose back-side not just Pervez but Benazir and Nawaz too are proud to kiss) and

    2. It has happened before and will happen again in Pakistan’s sad history

    Let us now make a brief list of the most shameful days of Pakistan’s history in reverse chronology:

    1. Benazir Bhutto’s ogrish and odious existence attempting to return to Pakistan and to give Dr Qadeer Khan to the Indians.

    2. The relatives of the “disappeared” Pakistanis being beaten outside the GHQ in Rawalpindi

    3. Pakistan’s benefactor Dr Qadeer Khan humiliated on National Television at the instance of Condoleeza Rice

    4. Nawaz Sharif Cutting and Running from Kargil in 1999 instead of securing Kashmir (even a Christian ruler would not have done that)

    5. Nawaz Sharif attempting to conquer Karachi the second time in 1998 after claiming that he had received “wahi” about who killed Hakim Saeed and in that Holy Revelation he was told to bring the Army back to set up military courts in Karachi

    6. Benazir Bhutto celebrating her brother’s death and trying to gain political mileage on it in 1996

    7. Nasir Babar and Benazir in 1994-95 torturing Karachiites , drugging them and forcing them to confess on national television to “terrorism” in the “hope” that Karachiites would stop supporting a party which represents the tax-paying middle-class and support Benazir’s own filthy , traitorous, feudal party.

    8. General Nasir Akhtar of Sahiwal , Corps Commander Karachi openly threatening to murder Hakim Saeed (then Governor Sind) for criticising Karachi’s Army occupation in 1993-4. Similarly Chief Justice Sind High Court Aslam Zahid was forced to quit after questioning the mass-torture of Karachi’s young men by the Army.

    9. The public humiliation of Mr Jinnah’s companion Sardar Shokat Hayat after his daughter Veena was gang-raped allegedly on the orders of Irfan Marwat the protege of Feudal forces then occupying Karachi ( that is one scene I cannot forget)

    10. The tears of Javed Miandad after Imran Khan Niazi and his cousin Burki the convict forced Miandad into retirement from cricket (Kash kuchh dair na palko pe utarti shabnam!)

    11. Mr Aitzaz Ahsan, Benazir Bhutto’s “Interior Minister” handing lists of Khalistani operatives to India —Aitzaz Ahsan should have been put to death for treason a long time ago even by Christian standards.

    12. General Zia’s martyrdom

    13. The secessation of East Pakistan at the hands of Generals Niazi and Shaggy Dog not to mention Tikka of Bhutto’s party. This tragedy in which millions perished as part of Punjabi feudal agenda was followed by what remained of Pakistan’s takeover by an incompetent, despicable, corrupt, perverted character who should have been hanged in 1971 not in 1978.

    14. Fatima Jinnah’s murder by “Field Marshal” Ayub Khan (this was one of the two wars Ayub Khan won to declare himself Field Marshal, the other one was the nearly lost war of 1965 which he won in primary school text-books)

    15. Liaquat Ali Khan’s martyrdom and the dissolution of the Constituent Assembly by his murderer Malik Ghulam Mohammad Ghaddar-e-Pakistan) which returned Pakistan to the feudal dark ages.

    Does anyone still think Pervez Musharraf is the biggest threat to Pakistan inspite of the challenges Pakistan faces from outside today?

  6. Daktar says:
    September 29th, 2007 5:33 pm

    Classof71, interesting list.
    Musharraf may not be the ‘biggest’ threat ever, but in your list he is the ONLY CURRENT threat!

  7. Classof71 says:
    September 29th, 2007 5:45 pm

    Musharraf is not the biggest Current Threat.

    India is a threat on the East.

    The Mayor of Kabul, that clown Karzai who was once a penniless refugee living in Pakistan is a threat in the West.

    The US Navy in the Indian Ocean is threatening to oppose Chinese presence in Gwadar.

    There are threats in the Northern Areas and Balochistan.
    Feudalism itself is the biggest threat to Pakistan and will become the cause of its breakup unless the feudals are purged India’s Naxalbari Movement style—- by simple elimination .

    But all that the anti-Musharraf lobby does is harp about democracy when in the past Feudal forces have murdered and plundered the tax-paying middle-class of karachi and nobody from the rest of the feudal country lifted a finger.
    Where was Democracy then?

    Where was Democracy when the Punjabi feudal lobby, its Generals and its illegitimate off-spring the Bhutto party managed to truncate majority half of the country than give democracy a chance by allowing Awami League to form the government in 1971?

    At least Pervez Musharraf allows criticism and tolerates dissent unlike Mian Sahib and the foul-smelling “Mohtarma”?

    All I am saying is that the threats from outside are bigger than the threats from the inside. But feudal champions of democracy do not seem to be bothered about them at all focusing instead on Pervez Musharraf?

  8. Daktar says:
    September 29th, 2007 5:58 pm

    Classof71, lets assume for a moment that you are right. I don’t actaully think you are right in saying that the external threats are bigger (Pakistanis are being killed and hurt on a dail basis not by Indians, Afghans or Americans… they are being killed and hurt by Musharraf’s men). But lets not debate that. I will assume for the moment that you are right and the external threats are greater. Even if it is so, we will NEVER be able to do anything about any external threat unless and until we have national unity and have tackled teh internal crisis. Given just how unpopular Musharraf and his regime is right now, the single biggest hurdle to dealing with the issues you mention is the fact that someone as unpopular and with such an obvious loss of support is in power. So, if you were right, then to address those threats you talk about we will have to see tehback of Musharraf.

    Also, let me also assuem that, as you say, all teh others are as bad as Musharraf (on this I do agree). Even if it is so, as long as they are not as unpopular as him (and right now no one is as unpopular and as devoid of support as he is) they will do a better job of dealing with external threats.

    While I do beleiev that the internal crisis is deeper, even if it was not we will need internal stability to deal with the external threats. And Musharraf is now totally incapable of delivering stability. he is not the single most destabilizing figure in the country, as recent events have shown.

  9. Aqil Sajjad says:
    September 29th, 2007 7:02 pm

    Why are the lawyers and journalists alone? Where are the other people?

  10. Anwar says:
    September 29th, 2007 7:18 pm

    Very shameful indeed. Can we extrapolate and draw a picture of where these crisis are heading?
    During ZAB the was operation wheeljam – are the religious parties weighing in to grab this opportunity as well and turn this soon to spread popular revolt into a new jihad?
    Trajetory of events is disturbing.
    God help us all.

  11. September 29th, 2007 9:03 pm

    shamefully i don’t see it any news on international media or message from any other country on this act ?

  12. omar says:
    September 29th, 2007 9:26 pm

    The system as constituted provides extraordinary benefits to those who control its levers. The army not only runs billions in business, it ensures that its officers are considered the highest “un-torturable” class in Pakistan and its general staff can promise luxury and comfort to two generations of descendants (or so they think). The mercenary politicians who work with the army are allowed to accumulate billions of dollars (I am not exagerrating) in ill-gotten gains and so on. All these people are serious crooks with serious money on the line. They will not stand aside just because 6 judges or 9 judges say they should. They will fight with every means at their disposal. That includes pressurising those judges via family members, money, threats…whatever it takes. The issue is not legal. It is power and it cannot be bought cheaply. In a more “normal” country, the ruling crooks may want to hang on, but there are definite lines they cannot cross (“the rules of the game”) because the whole invisible weight of the system is on the side of maintaining the system and its core rules (which may not include fairness for all, but definitely follow some comprehensible structure). In Pakistan, the civil administration and the army will obey every illegal order unless they fear physical annihalation (like the poor soldiers trapped in the islamic emirate of waziristan) or total breakdown due to mass agitation. That second fear forced them to reinstate the chief justice, not the sudden daring of judges who had never before dared to stand against the army. By successfully deporting nawaz sharif and marshalling his troops (especially the intelligence agencies) the president has reasserted his power and most judges are back in their familiar role of enablers for dictatorship. …this can change if real disorder looks like a possibility again, but its not going to happen that “lathi bhi na tootey aur sanp bhi mar jaey”…
    At the same time, I do not think that Musharraf can last another year. He has lost the mandate of heaven. This is a temporary reprieve. The real issues have not gone away. What we have learned is that he and his “team” will not go quietly. If they had packed up quietly, Pakistan would have been better off because we would not have to pay the price of another 6 months of the necessarily disruptive disorders that will finally lead to his exit…..he will still have to go..it will just be harder than it should be…but if one looks at what the choudhries or the MQM have to loose if he goes, then its understandable that they will fight tooth and nail.

  13. Sarfraz MIirza says:
    September 29th, 2007 9:43 pm

    SUPERIMACY OF THE RULE OF LAW

    We all must respect and abide by the decision of the highest legal insitution of the country whether some or most of us like or dislike the decision of the S.C .

    NO ROOM FOR PROTESTS AGAINST THE SUPREME COURT”S AUTHORITY SPECIALLY WHEN THIS PARTICULAR SUPEREME COURT HAS RECENTLY DEMENOSTRATED IT’S COMPLETE INDEPENDENCE FROM MUSHARRAF’S INFLUENCE .

    The decision may be unpopular but it must be respected by every pakistani to establish the fact in the history that the final power, rightfuly so , is in the hands of the Supereme Court and not the administrative or the legislative branches of the government . If we dont like certain judges as being just or fair then impeach them thru the rulings of the consitution and not thru protests.

    Let Musharraf run for the presidency and let the people decide his and next prsident’s and the country’s fate .He is just a man and not a superman that he can not be defeated at the polls if he, indeed , is unpopular among the pakistanees . Let an international organization like Ex Presidents Carter’s organization monitor the legitimacy and fairness of the election’s process .Let Musharraf be elected by the present assemblies but choose independent assemblies in the general elections ,who , if appopriate can throw Musharraf out by holding a yes or no vote of confidence about him being the president .

    Also watch out the process of the general elections because the loosers in Pakistan’s history have a history of crying FOUL when they loose the elections so also let the results of a fair election pervail regardless of who wins and who looses.Remember Nixon vs Kennedy and Al Gore vs Bush and the dignified way of acceptance of the outcome of questionale elections by the loosers for the sake of their country..Why not us do the same for the sake of Pakistan .

    Let the little bud of true democracy blossom into a beautiful flower of full democracy IN PEACE .Rome was not built in one day.America did not become what it is today in a single decade or a single election .So Pakistan will too, if given chance and time , one day peacefully be an examplary MUSLIM democarcy in the whole world .

    AVOID VIOLENCE .Do not instigate violence by the police .Do not give the police and the army excuses to inflict violence in the name of LAW and ORDER . This is exactly what Musharraf wants on our part PROTESTS so that he can do whatever he wishes in the name of LAW and ORDER.

    GHANDI JEE taught all the indians of every faith the POWER OF NON VIOLENCE .QAID E AZAM never spent a night in prison or jail by adhering to the rules of BRITISH LAW AND ORDER .THE QIIAD used his brains not his body and beat the unsurmountable odds against him , the cunnings of the Mountbaitens, the Nehrues and the Patels.

    We must not use protests with loud slogans but we must cool down , think and plan with cool minds and not hot tempers .What is it that we as pakistanees REALLY want and wish ? Then make a united plan and make all effort to execute our plan with utter resolution and detemination at the polls PEACEFULLY during the next scheduled general elections .Let those elections happen even under Musharraf as The President .Our newly elected reperesentatives can throw Musharraf out if they saw that is what the ,we ,he people want.

    Let us use our brains in place of our tongues yelling out useless MUSHARRAF MURDABAD OR MUSHARRAF IS A DOG slogans . Not civilized , not dignified , not a conduct becoming of a nation and most of all NOR EFFECTIVE NEITHER WISE .

    Let us not bark uselessly and ineffectively like dogs but let us think, plan and execute like a FOX.

    Thank you for your attention .

  14. T.Shabbir says:
    September 29th, 2007 10:07 pm

    I totally agree with classof71′s fifteen points. It is sad that Pakistani’s suffer from selective amnesia and somebody has to constantly keep reminding them. The Bhuttos (father and daughter) have done nothing but irreparable damage to Pakistan. If our only choice is Benazir or Nawaz (I am glad he was shooed out of the country) I would rather put my bets on Musharraf.

  15. Ayesha says:
    September 29th, 2007 10:32 pm

    Shocking images. They speak as much for our social turmoil as our political turmoil.

    In this case, it seems to me that both the parties are equally guilty. Violence begets violence. Brutality begets brutality.

    The question that troubles me is how do you break out of this vicious cycle?

  16. Harris Siddiqui says:
    September 29th, 2007 11:25 pm

    The images are a true reflection of our society. Today these lawyers are the so called beacon of hope for Pakistanis and just yesterday they were threatening to torch the office of the EC and were threatening to set the building on fire. They were acting like a mob and were handled like a mob by the security forces.

    Kurd was heard on national T.V stating that he planned to take the mob inside the EC’s office and tear up the nomination papers for Mushy. With these clear threats on record, what should the law enforcement do to the mob? escort them in so they can manhandle the EC and the P.M who was also inside? Come on guys, use some common sense.

    When lawyers become a political party with their own political agenda and a candidate then their profession means nothing, they are just political dogs barking when they get a chance and their so called “pur aman” procession was on the T.V screen for all to see. I was watching it live and was wondering why police is not taking a harsher stand.

    As far as the media is concerned, all I have to say is that they have a long way to go before they can be given full freedom in a country like ours where abusing power is a part of our genes, be it the power of the uniform or of a T.V camera. For almost half an hour AAJ T.V reported that Pervaiz Elahi’s car mowed down ten people during it’s exit which turned out to be one guy whose foot got under the tire. The exact words reported were ” Chief minister sahib sahafioun ko rondne ke baad wahan se farar ho gaye” . I was watching it live and the journalists were standing in front of his car, when his driver tried to back up the car they surrounded it from all sides. Now I am no expert in security protocols specially in a country that has no shortage of teenagers willing to go to heaven using the shortcuts, but i saw it as a security threat that had to be dealt with quickly and effectively and that’s what police did.

    I would like to say that we should not let emotions take the best of us. If the verdict of the supreme court is to our liking then the court is free but it is shackled in the chains of dictatorship if we don’t like the verdict? People like Kurd, Aitezaz, and Munir Malik who are nothing more than the mouth pieces of a political party trying to prove their loyalty to the leadership are running this movement. Kurd who was the biggest supporter of the Apex court just few days ago said after the recent verdict ” mai laanat bhejta hoon aisi court per aur aisay faislay per”.

    I am not defending violence as a general rule but I would like to ask all readers what might they have done if they were the chief of security for the P.M and were tasked with clearing the way so the P.M could leave the building. Keep in mind the situation in Pakistan with suicide bombings, and the value of the target. Would love to hear your ideas.

  17. Wasiq says:
    September 30th, 2007 1:48 am

    Why not let the people of Pakistan decide on Classof71′s list/diatribe?

    The army and civilian Ziaists have been making these same arguments for three decades. If the people still vote for PPP and Benazir Bhutto then maybe it is time for Classof71 and others of his ilk to shed their anti-bhutto hysteria and think up new arguments.

    Also, to describe MQM thugs as the party of tax-paying middle class is a travesty. MQM’s bahevior is as fedual as it comes and Altaf Hussain, though not born in a feudal family, behaves worse than a Nawab or jagirdar in refusing to tolerate dissent or criticism.

  18. Aamir Ali says:
    September 30th, 2007 2:32 am

    These lawyers threaten to be-siege Election Commission and Supreme Court, and then launch riots. Govt has to respond to this.

    Looks like lawyers and opposition got real pumped up after Cj restoration and simply could not swallow SC ruling against them.

  19. Shehzad Ahmed Mir says:
    September 30th, 2007 2:40 am

    As a show of his protest, Mr. Kurd was burning the order of the Supreme Court right in front of the Election Commission. This is a lawyer disrespecting the rule of law which he has been assigned to uphold??? That to me is the simple case of contempt of court.

    Had the lawyers protest & their political masters been peaceful, everything would have been fine. Lest a few got overly emotional and kicked the doors of the car being driven in the ECP, they immediately announced themselves as RIOTERS. Rioters all over the world are dealt with STICK & TEAR GAS and this incident was no different. So what if a few journalists got bashed (they always want to be IN the action)? Can you tell a difference between the two if you are a Police-wala charging head-on on rioters?? Journalists all over the world get injured (even killed) during riots and this incident was no different.

    The journalists are no different than the Black Coats. They clearly displayed their ‘highly ethical’ morals by severely bashing government ministers!

    Simply, it was a riot and the rioters got dealt with accordingly while they also got a chance to hit a few government functionaries, end of story! Great TV coverage though, may get a few ads! If the Black Coats and the so called chest-pounding politicians think that they have the support of the Pakistani common man on this crusade of theirs the same way as that of the CJ-issue, the are gravely mistaken and are in for a rude awakening.

  20. Viqar Minai says:
    September 30th, 2007 3:27 am

    I don’t know what is more apalling; the violence that was exacted, or the divided opinion among Pakistanis for and against it?

    Those defending gun and danda do not realize that bombs and suicide attacks are all they are going to get in return. You cannot win the war against extremism as long as you believe that you can beat people into submission. All you will end up doing is creating more extremists; and not just among the madressah uneducated.

    Zahid Khan of ANP said the same thing in different words: “If you push my back to the wall, there are only two possible outcomes. Either I’ll be on your feet, or at your throat”.

    Yesterday’s developments are ominous.

    There is no point in saying “God Bless Pakistan”, if this is what half of the Pakistanis stand for.

  21. YLH says:
    September 30th, 2007 3:42 am

    Is there no shame … is this enlightened moderation of which the regime is a spokesperson?

    God save Pakistan.

  22. YLH says:
    September 30th, 2007 3:47 am

    It is surreal… it was like that scene out of Jinnah the movie where Jinnah throws himself at the Police officer stopping him from carrying out lathi charge against the protesters…

    But this is not a movie… this is real.

  23. Abid says:
    September 30th, 2007 6:00 am

    This is the end of the road for me and I am sure for a vast number of Pakistani hyphenated into this or that or whatever team we are on or whatever crowd we hang out with. When the Supreme Court of Pakistan removes the last fig of dignity and exposes itself, than whatever little dignity or pride one may have for the nation are also shattered.

    With the Pakistan’s judiciary decimated, and with the continuing state terrorism and violence and ethnic politics, any semblance of the facade of state or government or even of unity of the various communities are also shattered and exposed. We have all hoped and prayed that we might recover from our heighten level of political misfortunes that had befallen us. But when the Supreme Court is annihilated, than whatever little hope one may have that we might recover from the heighten level of political misfortunes that had befallen us are also shattered.

    …. and they are talking about their manhood and “karr lo jo karna hai”! I give up.

  24. September 30th, 2007 9:13 am

    Peaceful protest is the key but the PEOPLE MUST STAND AND DELIVER now or remain silent forever. I again remind those ATP readers who favour the Mush rule that all of this chaos could have been avoided by him and him alone. My open letter to him as shown here http://www.otherpakistan.org/archive.html simply depicts the death of Mush’s own Pakistan first idelogy for a selfish ‘Musharraf first’ ideology. Compare his lust for renewed power with the distaste for power that Justice Wajihuddin has but he has entered only in the interests of serving a nation. Such actions are befitting that esteemed office and Mush could take lessons from him.

    Finally I stil ask where are the Pakistani people?, is it too much to ask them to stand up for Pakistan or are they waiting for an archangel to beckon them? This time will not come again, all we need to do is make a peaceful protest in our own bazaars and chowks be it Quetta or Karachi, we need not travel to the capital or make loud gestures, we can do it all from the comfort of our own neighbourhoods, so Pakistan jaagoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

    Feimanallah

    Wasim

  25. MQ says:
    September 30th, 2007 9:26 am

    All this mayhem that we saw in Islamabad yesterday was just because one man wants to continue to hang on to power. His sidekicks had declared a few weeks ago that they will have Musharraf elected as president “at all costs”. Let’s see how much more the nation has to pay.

  26. MG says:
    September 30th, 2007 11:24 am

    This is pathetic to say the least, I personally am sick of these goofy Lawyers. Their shenanigans are absurd and I am glad they the so called

  27. September 30th, 2007 11:32 am

    MG Saab,

    Firstly I vehemently disagree with your comments but I support your right to your view. I believe in this charged atmosphere, it will be useful for you and others on ATP and other forums to have a read of my open letter to President Musharraf which I sent to his website and his staff numerous times. Its title namely ‘Pakistan or Musharraf first’ is instructive of the mess we are in and it is here for your perusal http://www.otherpakistan.org/archive.html

    Please have a read and reply to me here or via my website at http://www.otherpakistan.org/today2

    Feimanallah

    Wasim

  28. MQ says:
    September 30th, 2007 11:37 am

    “The crackdown against protesters — represents the biggest political crisis … and comes at a sensitive time…”

    This is how a major news story began in the Financial Times yesterday with an accompanying picture showing police beating the crowds and firing tear gas at them. As I read on, I realized the story was not about Islamabad. It was about Burma! Isn’t it a crying shame that Pakistan has increasingly begun to look like Burma?

  29. September 30th, 2007 11:47 am

    MQ,

    You are right, its a shambolic situation authored at GHQ. I am at a loss why Mush continues to bring about more blood and destruction when a peaceful way out has been available to him from day one. Please do remember I was once a supporter of him and so I am well qualified to make such a judgement, my open letter is worth a read as it was written as my bit of national service so as to avoid the blood we have had in the last few days, have a read at http://www.otherpakistan.org/archive.html

    Feimanallah

    Wasim

  30. MQ says:
    September 30th, 2007 2:17 pm

    While the protesting journalists of Islamabad are still nursing their wounds inflicted by the club wielding and stone throwing police of Islamabad, the grand vizier of Islamabad is busy congratulating his Commando President for the latter’s successive victories — off the battle field, of course.

    The grand vizier, who is always dressed as if going for an Iftar party and who speaks showing as much animation on his face as a Buddhist preacher, in his latest message to his boss has congratulated him on the acceptance of the latter’s nomination papers by the Election Commission. Earlier he had congratulated him on the Supreme Court’s decision allowing him to contest elections in uniform. And before that, he had congratulated him on his “courageous” decision of voluntarily taking off the uniform if re-elected as president.

    Meanwhile, before sending his next congratulatory message on how effectively the protesting journalists were handled, he has issued a warning to the protesting journalists and lawyers in the following words: “Those who tried to take the law into their own hands during the scrutiny of nomination papers for the presidential election would be dealt with according to the law.”

    I think it would in order for the journalists of Islamabad to keep a barrel of black paint handy. They should make sure, though, that the paint is water-soluble and non-toxic.

  31. S.Rrizvi says:
    September 30th, 2007 3:50 pm

    Pl. read Omar’s posting again!

    Any one really interested in finding why Musharraf and his partners want to retain power at every cost, must read OMAR ‘s honest and jargon free posting once again in conjunction with the following:

    Washington, Sep 26 (ANI): Ninety percent of the current US assistance of two billion dollars a year to Pakistan goes to the military, a report has said.

    The report titled ‘Pakistan: A perilous course’, was unveiled at a meeting on Pakistan held at the Centre for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS).

    The panel of speakers was made up of Teresita Schaffer of the CSIS, Robert Oakley and Wendy Chamberlain, former US Ambassadors to Pakistan. Rick Barton, a former senior official of the Geneva-based UN High Commission, conducted the meeting for Refugees.

    The US should support the democratic process in Pakistan, and not an individual, the Daily Times quoted Chamberlain, as saying.

    Commenting on the current situation in Pakistan, Robert Oakley said that Musharraf threw open a Pandora’s box, which he couldn’t now close the lid on.

    He said Musharraf had put the army in deadly confrontation with the extremists in Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA) and it had lost many lives.

    Teresita Schaffer said that the US should work “visibly” with “competing” leaders, and added that it must work for democracy, instead of latching on to one person.
    ____________

    Has any one ever seen any accounting of billions, yes billions, ending in Musharraf & Company’ s hands, in our name?

  32. Faisal Bashir says:
    September 30th, 2007 5:19 pm

    Well sometimes i think how easily we get carried away. Although I did nto read all the posts but all i see is Musharraf. Well again we are on the wrong track targetting just one man. He goes….. someone other may come in coming few years. Actually we must target the institution which backs such traiters as Musharraf, Ayub Khan and Yahya. Army as an institution has done more harm to Pakistan than any worst imaginable enemy. We simply created two classes. Army being the one and the rest of pakistan in the other. Somehow they are above the law(Almost legally). All they need is money. And btw by army i donot mean the jawans, I only mean the officers especially officers above the rank of colonel. Till we keep targeting persons, we might get rid of persons (when they have done enough damage). But the dictator making factory will keep producing more. TO end this, there is no easy solution. All the civil society should stand against them. Audit their accounts and take back the wealth they have sucked from the perople in the form of LANDS, AWT, FAUJI FOUNDATION, SHAHEEN FOUNDATION. If it means a CIVIL WAR, let it come but trust me it will be the last war of Pakistan’s final and eventual freedom.

  33. Haseeb says:
    September 30th, 2007 5:26 pm

    Good, but isnt this too late:

    “ISLAMABAD: Chief Justice of Pakistan has taken suo moto notice of police violence against lawyers, newsmen and representatives of the civil society on Saturday at Constitution Avenue of Islamabad on report of the Registrar of the Supreme Court.

    According to Geo News correspondent, Supreme Court has summoned Secretary Interior, Advocate General Punjab, Chief Commissioner Islamabad, I.G. Police, D.C. and SSP Islamabad to appear before the court tomorrow.

    The apex court has also directed the Chief Commissioner Islamabad to submit the September 29 security plan, daily security plan and all FIRs to the court.

    The Chief Justice has also issued directives to directors of PIMS and Polyclinic hospitals to submit their reports to the court about patients admitted in these hospitals on the day and nature of their injuries.”

  34. Aamir Ali says:
    September 30th, 2007 5:44 pm

    Faisal Bashir:

    We are not as eager for civil war in Pakistan as you and we respect the army, which has made mistakes but which also defended the country against internal and external threats.

    The lawyers and journalists and opposition are behaving like mobs and rejecting the Supreme Court verdict.

  35. HK says:
    September 30th, 2007 6:53 pm

    Aamir, as someone who served in the Army for 24 years and fought two wars for the country, my single biggest reason to want Musharraf to leave is that because of him the respect for the military is going down. He is now the greatest threat to the respect for military. Because now he is only interested in his position. It is also clear that he wants to be President more than he wants to be soldier which is why he has said he will drop uniform after election. I want my military to be a military and nothing more.

  36. Aqil Sajjad says:
    September 30th, 2007 7:38 pm

    There is a very clear double standard that Mush supporters are practising. They term the lawyers protests as a mob but choose to forget that Mush also came to power through a similar method. You can’t have it both ways. Jahan faida ho vahan democracy aur rule of law ko bhool jain aur army kay truck lay keh government peh chur dorain aur phir us kay baad logon ko lecture dain keh vo qanoon ko haath main na lain.
    Seedhi tarah kahain keh aap ko mush itna passand hai keh constitutionality aur legality aap kay liay secondary hain. You are entitled to your opinion on that, but if it’s ok for Mush and the other generals to take the law into their hands and remove a govt by force, then all other Pakistanis also have the right to attack the election commission and beat up govt ministers, especially when they were being thrashed by the police under a deliberate intimidation strategy by the government.

  37. Sami says:
    October 1st, 2007 1:15 am

    There are still a number of cases in the courts. Wait, this drama is not over yet.

  38. Adonis says:
    October 1st, 2007 1:57 am

    Its very strange what has happened to GEO tv. It has become totally subservient and is increasingly looking like a sister network of official PTV.

    The other day when blood was spilled in Islamabad, only Aaj TV and ARY Oneworld were giving live coverage while GEO was showing pre-recorded irrelevant programs. Interestingly, the authorities allowed no other private channel to bring their OB van inside election commission except GEO. Seems like GEO has fallen in line with the usual pro-government line (whoever is in the government) which has been a trademark of Jang group.

  39. Rafay Kashmiri says:
    October 1st, 2007 6:43 am

    Why should the lawyers be immuned with all kinds of lathis
    dunda’s existing system ? are they not Pakistanis ? they must taste what any normal citizen has to, everyday.

  40. Faisal Bashir says:
    October 1st, 2007 7:38 am

    Dear Amir Ali,
    Trust me i dont hate just Pak Army but all Army..they are trained for only one thing —to kill. Pak Army has another distinction it not only kills but robs also. ( A pity that PhD retired Professor does not have a house of his own and a retired Major has property worth millions) I think you are one of the lot who gets prejudiced for army after reading course books. I would advise you to read Military Inc. and some independent history on Performance of Pakistan Army esp in East Pakistan, Baluchistan etc. They have killed more pakistanis than they have killed indians. And where did they protect us. 1965? they started it knowing they are nto capable then we ended up in Tashqand. 1971? again my dear that is quite shameful what they did( Hamood ur rehman Commission report). Siachin? Well it was once with pakistan and no more with us :( Kargil? all shameful acts. This army is set to conquer its own land and its own people.
    Ok let me remind you one very important thing. 1947 Jinnah asked General Gracey to enter Kashmir- he simply refused saying he needs orders from Field Marshal Aucklink ( sitting in calcutta). I think Gracy was better than all later generals atleast he accepted that he does nto report to pakistan but to some gora OUTSIDE Pakistan. PMA was set for Royal British Army and the training course was designed to make officers bow to GORAS and kill locals. Well Hats Off they are still doing the same . Well wake up man. U have been sedated. I was also – for a long time . As a kid I remember singing ” Har gharee tayyar kamran hain hum”. Truth was never told to us. Noor Jehan sang ” ae puttar hattan tay nahin wikday” its true… because in local shops they accept pakistani rupees and to buy them u need DOLLARS.

  41. syed ali raza says:
    October 1st, 2007 6:34 pm

    the so called “CIVIL” institutions reacted as usual, when the court ruled in favor of MUSH, all of the sudden the lawyers & yellow journalists dropped any sense of civility & went on full blown rampage, they deserved it since these very looyahs & churnalists were totally silent when SHARIF & CO attacked the supreme court & were bowing their heads in front of ZIA, so i ask every one a question why this sudden impulse to rid musharaf, iam guessing the reason is more cynical than most would want every one to believe. GOOD

  42. Fahim says:
    October 2nd, 2007 1:23 am

    I had been shaken to see all that drama… How could Government be so much cruel to the people? But this is really sad that they claim to have given freedom to media… also read other interesting posts at the following link:

    http://www.chowrangi.com/police-of-terroristan.html

    http://www.chowrangi.com/why-the-nation-doesnt-come-out-on-the-streets.html

  43. sallahudin says:
    October 2nd, 2007 2:59 am

    It seems incredible that this generation of Pakistanis have abandoned their brain so much that they are unable to comprehend this devestating situation developing in our beloved nation.
    All four institutions judiciary, media, politicians and government are riding on a horse which seems to be high on banned sustances. No one has the gall to stand back and think with their empty brain which way we are heading.
    We are doing what the westernised nations namely America wants us to do. When American and allies entered Afghanistan and Iraq it was widely interpreted that Pakistan will be next. As far as i can gather America or its allies dont have the gutts to enter our nation. They cannot control around twenty million muslims, how are they going to control 160 million. That made them devise a plan wherby they dont have to do nothing rather we will destroy each other to make it easy for satan.
    All our differences aside we need to sit togather agree to differ and work for the country. Why is it that everyone in Pakistan wants to be the Prime minister nothing else?
    Sadly all our four institutions are battling to hid their incompetences and the way they are embrioled in corruption. Is there any party in Pakistan ahich itself is democratic? so it is hypocritical of them to beat drums to that effect.
    I totally diagree with your comments, i like to think that people need to look at themselves first before they criticize others. These so called politicians who are resigning from the parliament, who are they kidding. The assemblies are suppose to desolved very soon and to me this is a synical attempt to show hapeless public that they care about them. Yet in reality they are only losing about two weeks pay. How devestatingly hypocritical of them.
    I also would like to ask a question. Does every sane person not agree that by beating ministers are we not a precidence to be followed later on? if this happens to the ministers of the new government will they be right in crying foul? As they say you reap what you sow.

    With regards
    Sallahudin

  44. Saleem A. Toor says:
    October 2nd, 2007 3:52 am

    On Freedom of Expression in the homeland:

    A weak dog was crossing the border from India to Pakistan when he saw another fat one coming from the other side. Here is how the conversation goes:

    Pakistani dog: Hey, what’s up, are you moving over to Pakistan?
    Indian dog: Yes dear, you know, there is no food out here in India. Lots of people live under poverty line and it becomes difficult for us to find food. I thought Pakistan would be better – as I can see from your health. But why are you crossing the border over to India?

    Pakistani dog: You are right. We get sufficient to eat and in general life is ok but there is one genuine problem we are facing in Pakistan.

    Indian dog: And what is that, to be precise.

    Pakistani dog: Well, everything is fine in this piece of land except that we are not allowed to bark! So keep this thing in mind when you cross over. Good luck!

  45. sallahudin says:
    October 3rd, 2007 12:43 am

    On Mr Toor’s light hearted observation.

    I can only say that this is exactly the sort of thinking that has brought us to this situation. If a human has enough food and basic shelter he should be satisfied.

    That brings me to conclusion that in general Pakistanis are over fed and over tolerated. They should all be sent to work to get rid of excess fat.

    If any of our brothers or sisters who think they are not having a good deal in this country then they should cross over and see how long the others will put up with their unreasonable behaviour. That includes all who dont take part in building of our nation but are very happy to take part in destruction.

    Sallahudin

  46. PatExpat says:
    October 3rd, 2007 5:30 am

    Mr. Salahuddin,

    You forgot one the most corrupt institution in your list: Pakistan Army which has gorged up 5 Billion dollars so far in US aid without a penny accounted for. (I am not making this up: Read the Carnegie Report).

    Why did Tauqir Zia when he was Chairman PCB gifted the land behind National Stadium (belonging to PCB) to Army where Army is developing houses and selling them for Rs. 4 Crore each. How can a 4 star General drive a 7 series BMW?

    You can hand a sentence to a politician (rather hang him), a lawyer, media men but the Army is immune. They murdered Bengalis in 1971, not a single Army men has been tried. They raped their women, nobody mentions it. They recklessly kill Baluchis everyday and there is no mention in the news paper. One major raped Dr. Shazia in Sui Gas and Dr. Shazia had to run to Canada to save herself. Mukhtaran Mai gets gang raped and Pervez Musharraf claims that people claim such things to migrate to Canada. And after branding Benazir corrupt, Musharraf is doing a deal with her granting her immunity from future court cases (a feat no civillian government achieve in this country).

    As an institution, Pak Army has a record of largest killings, rapings, lootings and corruption and surprisingly, they are sacred cows and immune.

  47. Rafay Kashmiri says:
    October 3rd, 2007 7:58 am

    The main problem in Pakistan is what u can call influence or
    the mentality, we are all made out of that mud, RURAL AND URBAN PAKISTAN, that is what we show, see and do everyday, untill and unless we bring these together and
    mould a minimum decent mentality by returning to old Islamic morals and respects without age difference instead of far west bagarres and violant temprament.

    We have to abandon the ” Lathi, dangaan, kut, phainti, giddar kut, Kanble kut, Chittrole, Chittar kut etc ( all terms confirmed by Muzang Thaana and custody Punjab )
    They exist even in the western jails and garde a vues, but
    why should we follow the west in their savageries.

  48. Harris Siddiqi says:
    October 3rd, 2007 3:57 pm

    PatExpat,

    I understand that blaming the Pak Army for the misfortunes of Pakistan is in vogue these days but you are taking a tone that suggests that the entire Pakistan Army is corrupt.

    The $5 Billion you speak of is not being distributed among the generals while they sit around a desk and throw money at each other. Pakistan Army is one of the largest in the world and in the pre 9/11 world was hurting for weapon systems because of your so called democratically elected governments while their enemy was on a buying spree during those days. They have to make up for the lost time and also for the future to keep up with the sworn enemy and if you ever get a chance to check the prices of military hardware in the international market, you will find out that $5 Billion doesn’t even cover a decent shopping trip. The existing missile and nuclear program of Pakistan also eats a lot of money (Over $1.2 Billion a year by some reports).

    Lets talk about the 4 star general and his BMW. Seems like you would like the general to travel on the roof of public transportation. Name one country in the world where a general retires poor. It takes a lot of effort, hard work and intelligence to reach the rank of a general and they should be paid well just like a CEO of a public company. If you are good at your profession you should be well off.

    I would also like to point out that driving a BMW should not automatically mean that the general is corrupt. It may be that the plot he was allocated in Gujranwala when he was a major 25 years ago went up 100 times in value, enabling him to buy a BMW which every Nathu Khaira in Pakistan has, ever thought about that ? And by the way did Khalid bin Walid , Tariq Bin Ziyaad and Salah ud Din Ayubi ride on the best horses available at the time or walked barefooted during the wars ? ( that was just a light natured comment not grounds for further arguments)

    Now lets talk about the bad seeds in the army. Of course they are there just like there are bad clerks in government offices and bad teachers in government schools. That is just who we are, corrupt people by nature and army is nothing more than people like you and I wearing a khaki uniform but we don’t call all clerks corrupt or all teachers bad then why pick on the entire army?

    I am quite sick of hearing about the rape and atrocities of Pakistani Army in 1971. Were all 100,000 or so Pakistani soldiers in East Pakistan raping Bengali women? Were they all slaughtering the poor Bengali men? and don’t even start on Baluchistan before reading the entire history of the conflict and the social complexities in that province that lead to a clash.

    Next time when a flood hits lower Sindh or an earthquake jolts the Northern areas I would like you see who gets there first to help people, The corrupt and cruel men of the Pakistani Army or your so called political workers bankrolled by your so called political leaders with the money they have looted.

    I would end this on one note, not the most corrupt general in the history of Pakistan could steal 1% of the money in his 40 years of service than the amount stolen by your democratically elected leaders in 10 years. Think about that!

  49. sallahudin says:
    October 4th, 2007 4:31 am

    Well said Mr Harris Siddiqi,

    It saved me saying it. The problem with us is that we are so embrioled in western culture that we are quite happy quoting their twisted views about our beloved nation. Any one in their right mind would think, that no one in the westernised countries is ever going to say anything good about Pakistan. Our country which is the most strongest in Islamic nations cannot be looked upon favourably by the west.
    Patxpat obviously does not read anything favourable to Pakistan. He should have read Indian books commenting about how the Indian army went about destroying the image of our army. Mukti bahni which was in reality indian soldiers would go about looting, raping and anything else they could do in Pakistani army uniforms to destroy pak army image in the eyes of East Pakistanis. It looks like that you have been an expat for so long that you have lost the ability to distinguish a lie from the truth.
    I took an oath 35 years ago to uphold the good name of our nation, to defend my country through thick and thin. I still hold that very close to my heart. My country comes first, it will still be there after all of us.
    It would be very patriotic if people could confine their views to the betterment of our nation. Get out there do something without any reward or personal glorification. May ALLAH forgive our indiscretions. Ameen

    There is always light at the end of the tunnel, but you have to get to the end of tunnel first.

    With Regards
    Sallahudin

  50. MG says:
    October 4th, 2007 12:11 pm

    Come on people don’t tell me you are still weeping over Bangla…if it were not for Gen. Akhtar Malik and his brother…you would have lost the entire Pakistan.

    Besides, koun see tuoap chaalaa lee hay Bangliown nay….the enitre country is falling apart much like the whole of SA Asia and all beacuse we don’t rule with justice and equal rights for all regardless of their fatih, color creed etc. etc.

    Pakistan is a great country and Inshallah due to prayers of pious individuals and sacrifice of many pious Muslims it will Inshallah gain glory, but with prayers and once equal rights for all are protected adn given.

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